a little uneasy / jealous of their selection of OT Tyler Guyton (Oklahoma) and OG/C Cooper Beebee (Kansas State)? For over a decade they've created premiere O-lines through the Draft and now they've added these two promising young prospects.
As for the Giants? The jury is still out on Joe Schoen's O-line selections over the past two drafts, but now he seems intent to buy his way to respectability with Jon Runyan, Jr. and Jermaine Eluemunor.
So far, I absolutely love his selection of Malik Nabers, and Tyler Nubin / Andru Phillips should shore up the secondary, but I am now hoping his remaining picks get closer to the line of scrimmage.
Maybe spending excessive capital in one area isn’t how you win championships.
They have beat our brains in for the better part of a decade including a 13-1 record in the last 7 years. Maybe we should be looking to build a roster more like theirs....
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With those great olines through the draft?
Maybe spending excessive capital in one area isn’t how you win championships.
They have beat our brains in for the better part of a decade including a 13-1 record in the last 7 years. Maybe we should be looking to build a roster more like theirs....
Our Oline is not bad because we have neglected it during the draft and free agency. We have two top-10 picks on either end, and a second round pick in the middle. We have a slew of guards picked on Day 2 and 3.
The problem is that many of these guys have not played to expectations. That is why Runyon and Eleumanor were signed. That is also why we have a new Oline coach.
The line is being addressed.
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With those great olines through the draft?
Maybe spending excessive capital in one area isn’t how you win championships.
They have beat our brains in for the better part of a decade including a 13-1 record in the last 7 years. Maybe we should be looking to build a roster more like theirs....
They beat our brains in because they have a QB, we don’t. They have Lamb and we didn’t. The Giants have spent just as much capital in the oline.
If one or two guys flake out, ok bad picks. But all of them? Sounds like a problem above them. Hey, we'll see.
Much like a franchise QB, not every draft has “10 year all-pro guard” sitting around for you to select if you need one. Sometimes you still have to pay attention to who the prospect is and where you are picking them. You don’t just draft linemen because you need linemen.
If one or two guys flake out, ok bad picks. But all of them? Sounds like a problem above them. Hey, we'll see.
It could be a coaching issue, but that is also on Schoen. Just as it's his responsibility to pick the right players, it's also his responsibility to pick the right coaches. But I agree that no final verdict can be rendered about Neal, Schmitz, Ezeudu, and McKethan until we see what the new OL coach can do with them.
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and I can't believe they haven't addressed it in the top three rounds. Bringing in a couple of journeymen will not solve the problem and blaming everything on the OL coach seems simpleminded.
Maybe we should have used the #6 overall pick to get a LT and switch him over to RT? I wonder if anyone has tried something like that in the past and, if so, how it worked out?
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and I can't believe they haven't addressed it in the top three rounds. Bringing in a couple of journeymen will not solve the problem and blaming everything on the OL coach seems simpleminded.
Maybe we should have used the #6 overall pick to get a LT and switch him over to RT? I wonder if anyone has tried something like that in the past and, if so, how it worked out?
Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic but the last time that happened (other than Thurs night) resulted in an All-Pro RT that is the league’s highest paid o-lineman who put his team in a great position to get to the SB last year.
I’m referring to Evan Neal. I thought on this board that would be clear.
I’m not sure many people are on board with an approach of drafting position over player. But sure why not just grab a marginal guard with a 4th round grade in the 2nd round because you really need a guard?
Guyton will be given every opportunity to start as will Beebe at C. Both will working into new positions for them. We'll see how it goes. But Dallas has a good track record of selecting and coaching up offensive linemen.
Those picks haven’t panned out yet. So we took a different approach this year and spent most of our FA resources on OL.
How in the fuck is this team not trying everything they can do to fix this?
Just because a prospect is ranked high in your nerdy little draft guide doesn’t mean it’s automatic he’s going to pan out.
Yet they keep doing the same shit over and over again and producing one of if not the worst OL in the league.
The Giants roster building strategy is trash. They’re not going to draft an OL this year, in one of the stronger OL classes in years, because they think they’re set with what they have along with the bargain bin FA band aids they brought in.
This has nothing to do with value, the Giants are clearly drafting for need. They plugged holes in rounds 1-3 and they’ll continue to plug holes today.
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on the OL than the Giants in the last five years. And somehow M.S. doesn't know that.
Yet they keep doing the same shit over and over again and producing one of if not the worst OL in the league.
The Giants roster building strategy is trash. They’re not going to draft an OL this year, in one of the stronger OL classes in years, because they think they’re set with what they have along with the bargain bin FA band aids they brought in.
This has nothing to do with value, the Giants are clearly drafting for need. They plugged holes in rounds 1-3 and they’ll continue to plug holes today.
They took the #! tackle in the draft two years ago, the same guy the Cowboys had rated at the #1 player in the entire draft.
They took the #1 center in the draft last year.
At some point the players they drafted need to be developed.
Drafting Alt at #6 would have been stupid,
You're just bitching (per usual) without thinking. It's your MO on this site.
You are valuing your opinion as a fan with access to one internet scout over the opinion of an organization that is fully dedicated to this with tons of resources.
Now I fully understand that this organization hasn’t gotten it right for a decade now. But it’s a complex problem. Is it coaching, is it scouting, is it the culture in the building, is it bad luck, is it a bad combo of all? We don’t know yet and the team is working on it but I promise you that you don’t know better.
Guyton will be given every opportunity to start as will Beebe at C. Both will working into new positions for them. We'll see how it goes. But Dallas has a good track record of selecting and coaching up offensive linemen.
This.
In other words, Dallas is filling glaring needs with draft picks.
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on the OL than the Giants in the last five years. And somehow M.S. doesn't know that.
Yet they keep doing the same shit over and over again and producing one of if not the worst OL in the league.
The Giants roster building strategy is trash. They’re not going to draft an OL this year, in one of the stronger OL classes in years, because they think they’re set with what they have along with the bargain bin FA band aids they brought in.
This has nothing to do with value, the Giants are clearly drafting for need. They plugged holes in rounds 1-3 and they’ll continue to plug holes today.
They took the #! tackle in the draft two years ago, the same guy the Cowboys had rated at the #1 player in the entire draft.
They took the #1 center in the draft last year.
At some point the players they drafted need to be developed.
Drafting Alt at #6 would have been stupid,
You're just bitching (per usual) without thinking. It's your MO on this site.
Have the Giants closed the gap with the Cowboys? Eagles? No.
If anything, the commanders just surpassed the Giants.
Just like any team, they are trying to address their needs. The last 2 GMs and 4 head coaches have failed.
That they haven;'t spent as many resources on the offensive line as the Giants? Because the Giants have done more on the OL than those teams.
Did you read my entire post? It includes the following: The jury is still out on Joe Schoen's O-line selections over the past two drafts.
For quite awhile now, you have been hyper-critical of my posts. No doubt everyone is entitled to their own opinion — especially the owner/creator of this fantastic web site — and I have certainly learned and picked up things from your responses. But at times I sense a real animus on your part. Not a great feeling.
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Washington all have in common?
That they haven;'t spent as many resources on the offensive line as the Giants? Because the Giants have done more on the OL than those teams.
That and they have a better QB (Wash TBD for now).
Things after the selection need to happen to help cultivate the hit. Things like coaching, personal development, team building, culture, etc.
Something is broken with the Giants when it comes to the OL and I dont think it’s just they pick the wrong players.
They’ve made draft investments and now this year they are mixing in mid-tier veteran FA’s, and changed the coaching. Let’s see how that goes and not assume that Sy’s next highest rated guard is the savior.
It's a philosophy I wish the Giants would adopt.
I would have preferred Beebe or Haynes over Phillips, but if the grades were similar, Phillips addressed the higher need.
Then how do you explain the gratuitous insult to my opening post? Do you really think I don’t appreciate the resources Schoen has plowed into our O-Line?
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Not animus. Your takes have not been good. With better takes, you'll receive better responses.
Then how do you explain the gratuitous insult to my opening post? Do you really think I don’t appreciate the resources Schoen has plowed into our O-Line?
Because I recognize the entire point of your post is, "how come the Giants aren't doing enough to fix the offensive line? I'm jealous."
Your entire premise is wrong. So I'm going to call you out on that.
BBI is not the place to make wild claims without thinking.
It's a philosophy I wish the Giants would adopt.
I would have preferred Beebe or Haynes over Phillips, but if the grades were similar, Phillips addressed the higher need.
You mean like drafting OLs in round 1, 2, 3,, and 5 the last two years?
Agreed. Can have 5 all pros on the line and the gaps not going to close until they change the QB
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Dallas and Philly always prioritize OL and DL and always take some in the draft.
It's a philosophy I wish the Giants would adopt.
I would have preferred Beebe or Haynes over Phillips, but if the grades were similar, Phillips addressed the higher need.
You mean like drafting OLs in round 1, 2, 3,, and 5 the last two years?
I believe the New York Giants rank # 1 in the NFL in resource allocation to the OL the last 5 years. The issue isn't investment, the issue is either making the investment in the right player or just improper development of that player.
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Dallas and Philly always prioritize OL and DL and always take some in the draft.
It's a philosophy I wish the Giants would adopt.
I would have preferred Beebe or Haynes over Phillips, but if the grades were similar, Phillips addressed the higher need.
You mean like drafting OLs in round 1, 2, 3,, and 5 the last two years?
I believe the New York Giants rank # 1 in the NFL in resource allocation to the OL the last 5 years. The issue isn't investment, the issue is either making the investment in the right player or just improper development of that player.
The issue could be more than that…
The draft is fun, but very few teams build a solid nucleus in a single year. A lot of guys we saw go off the board last night and thought “Damn I wish the Giants had gotten him” will be out of the league in 5 years.
This. The Eagles were supposed to have killed it w Carter and Ringo. Carter will most likely be good to maybe great. But his "generational" talent label seems to be a bit more hyperbole than fact. And Ringo was so good they drafted two CBs this year In rounds 1 and 2.
Better OL for sure.
Just like any team, they are trying to address their needs. The last 2 GMs and 4 head coaches have failed.
I assume you’re talking about Neal. No I didn’t have a problem with it. Does that matter?
Actions speak louder than words, correct? What they’ve done in this draft through their actions is the following:
1. Jones is better than any of the QBs selected after Maye
2. What they have on the OL is better than anything they could’ve drafted after round 1.
3. Filling holes (needs) is the draft priority. Whatever happened to all the mouth pieces on this site chirping BPA endlessly?
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Not animus. Your takes have not been good. With better takes, you'll receive better responses.
Then how do you explain the gratuitous insult to my opening post? Do you really think I don’t appreciate the resources Schoen has plowed into our O-Line?
Because I recognize the entire point of your post is, "how come the Giants aren't doing enough to fix the offensive line? I'm jealous."
Your entire premise is wrong. So I'm going to call you out on that.
BBI is not the place to make wild claims without thinking.
You're wrong as to what you think I'm saying and your wrong as to what you think my motivation is.
He knows it, he's not stupid, just has stupid takes. Being jealous of another teams draft is silly. Why? Because until they actually play some meaningful ball it's guessing. Some guy who lights it up in college is not necessarily going to be all pro in the NFL. But he knows that.
The Cowboys and Eagles have shown the ability to scout and self scout the offensive line. There was a time the eagles couldn't get out of their own way with receivers.
Until the Giants prove otherwise, the oline will sux
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Not animus. Your takes have not been good. With better takes, you'll receive better responses.
Then how do you explain the gratuitous insult to my opening post? Do you really think I don’t appreciate the resources Schoen has plowed into our O-Line?
Because I recognize the entire point of your post is, "how come the Giants aren't doing enough to fix the offensive line? I'm jealous."
Your entire premise is wrong. So I'm going to call you out on that.
BBI is not the place to make wild claims without thinking.
Are you sure? Cause it happens ALL the freaking time!