Pats, Panthers, Commanders, Broncos, Titans top to bottom all seem a clear step below imo.
I’m not sure I would say any of those teams other than the Panthers are clearly below us.
Who is the best player on the Pats right now, either side of the ball? Onwenu? Maybe in a year to two it'll be Maye even then who's he throwing it to? They're a mess.
Panthers and Pats are locks to be worse than the Giants. There will be others, too.
FWIW, if Bricillo can "fix" the line, the Giants may be a .500 team. Bricillo is probably more important to this team than Kafka.
In my mind, the oline is the single biggest area that will be the difference between a mid-level team and one choosing top 5 in 2025.
#12 Mason Graham, DT, Michigan (GBN Report)
#5 JT Tuimoloau, DE, Ohio State (CBS Sports)
#1 Carson Beck, QB, Georgia (USA Today)
Average it out, and the Giants are right back again at #6 -- certainly within the realm of possibility. But here's one caveat -- if Joe Shoen's O-line can hang together with the combination of his past draft choices and recent FA signings, then I think the Giants can get into the playoffs hook or crook.
I do believe that the offensive line will improve and create opportunity for more offensive place. I also think will Daniel Jones on the bench. The defense has improved. The Giants will be picking in the middle of the pack next year in the 2025 draft.
Pats, Panthers, Commanders, Broncos, Titans top to bottom all seem a clear step below imo.
I’m not sure I would say any of those teams other than the Panthers are clearly below us.
Who is the best player on the Pats right now, either side of the ball? Onwenu? Maybe in a year to two it'll be Maye even then who's he throwing it to? They're a mess.
He may be throwing to the WR they picked at the top of the 2nd round? You don’t pick a guy there because he needs a few years to develop.
And yes, they have they QB we tried desperately to get.
Remember this time last year we were salivating over the speed added to our offense (Campbell! Hyatt! Waller!). Hodgins is going to be Mr. Dependable again.
Our minds are filling in the gaps with new names, but the reality is some of our plans at certain position can and will fail. We won't know until August.
This team can be better than last year’s team- and still finish with a worse record. In fact, they likely will finish with a worse record.
While the official schedule hasn’t been announced yet, we know who the opponents are. I believe that the Giants will likely lose to the Bucs, Ravens, Bengals, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Dallas twice and the Eagles twice. That’s 9 losses right there before you even consider who you might beat.
There is a reasonable chance to beat the Redskins, but they DID improve this offseason. They should be considered 50/50 for the Saints, Vikings, Colts, Falcons, Seahawks and Panthers.
That means the BEST case scenario has the Giants as an 8 win team. However, in 50/50 games you might lose as many as you win. That could mean the team wins as few as 4-5 games.
All of that can happen even if the OL dramatically improves and Nabors has a very good season. Too many players, while upgrades over the previous starters, are not going to put the Giants in a position where the player lined up across them in worse than the Giants player.
Thus, yes the team could play better than last year- and still lose more games than last year. They could surprise like 2022 and win 8-10 games, but that would be more of a mirage like 2022 than a real skills based outcome.
Pats, Panthers, Commanders, Broncos, Titans top to bottom all seem a clear step below imo.
I’m not sure I would say any of those teams other than the Panthers are clearly below us.
Who is the best player on the Pats right now, either side of the ball? Onwenu? Maybe in a year to two it'll be Maye even then who's he throwing it to? They're a mess.
He may be throwing to the WR they picked at the top of the 2nd round? You don’t pick a guy there because he needs a few years to develop.
And yes, they have they QB we tried desperately to get.
QB we tried to get but basically everyone acknowledges needs to sit a year. If your two best players are the two rookies you just drafted you have serious problems as a team.
The writer also has the Jets losing in the Super Bowl
I wanted Barkley off the team (midseason trade even) but it's not guaranteed that Singletary + rookie will be better in 2024.
We have a knack for signing solid journeymen starters on the offensive line that turn out to be crap here.
The QB situation comes down to whether you think Lock will be better than Tyrod. Career to date it's a downgrade.
We're hoping new additions in the secondary are going to be as good or better than veteran starters.
A lot of things need to fall our way before you even factor in schedule and injury luck and our QB situation limits our ceiling.
Worst may not be as likely as picking top 10, but it's in the cards.
It's interesting, but so many people hate on Jones, and maybe he deserves it, but what does it say that Barkley only had 1 100 yard game last year? But who cares about the offensive line.
Let's see the Giants wo 16 games the past two years including 6 last year when just about everything could go wrong went wrong at least early in the season. For the mathematically challenged that's an average of 8 wins per year. In the interim the Giants have added another really good edge rusher and a potential #1 receiver not to mention a couple of solid vet OL. So winning just 3-4 games next year makes sense to me.
This team can be better than last year’s team- and still finish with a worse record. In fact, they likely will finish with a worse record.
While the official schedule hasn’t been announced yet, we know who the opponents are. I believe that the Giants will likely lose to the Bucs, Ravens, Bengals, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Dallas twice and the Eagles twice. That’s 9 losses right there before you even consider who you might beat.
There is a reasonable chance to beat the Redskins, but they DID improve this offseason. They should be considered 50/50 for the Saints, Vikings, Colts, Falcons, Seahawks and Panthers.
That means the BEST case scenario has the Giants as an 8 win team. However, in 50/50 games you might lose as many as you win. That could mean the team wins as few as 4-5 games.
All of that can happen even if the OL dramatically improves and Nabors has a very good season. Too many players, while upgrades over the previous starters, are not going to put the Giants in a position where the player lined up across them in worse than the Giants player.
Thus, yes the team could play better than last year- and still lose more games than last year. They could surprise like 2022 and win 8-10 games, but that would be more of a mirage like 2022 than a real skills based outcome.
Nobody knows what twists and turns(injuries) happen in a season so at this point it is a guess. I guarantee that if Bricillo doesn't get the line improved, they will draft top 5.
Let's face it, with an absolute dog shit oline last year they almost beat the Bills and if TT doesn't have a brain fart they do.
Jets? Gano misses a chip shot and the defense allows Wilson to go 60 yards on two plays in 27 seconds?
Rams?
I am not going to predict a record in April because we don't have a clue as to what happens to other teams.
and they have the PANTHERS picking first and drafting a quarterback. Again.
They also have the Giants drafting fifth and taking a defensive end. That’s actually a more nightmarish scenario than having the first overall selection. CBS Sports 2025 Mock Draft - ( New Window )
and they have the PANTHERS picking first and drafting a quarterback. Again.
They also have the Giants drafting fifth and taking a defensive end. That’s actually a more nightmarish scenario than having the first overall selection. CBS Sports 2025 Mock Draft - ( New Window )
Didn’t the Panthers give away next years #1 too?
I'm as pessimistic as anyone, but I don't see them
Panthers and Pats are locks to be worse than the Giants. There will be others, too.
FWIW, if Bricillo can "fix" the line, the Giants may be a .500 team. Bricillo is probably more important to this team than Kafka.
In my mind, the oline is the single biggest area that will be the difference between a mid-level team and one choosing top 5 in 2025.
This team can be better than last year’s team- and still finish with a worse record. In fact, they likely will finish with a worse record.
While the official schedule hasn’t been announced yet, we know who the opponents are. I believe that the Giants will likely lose to the Bucs, Ravens, Bengals, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Dallas twice and the Eagles twice. That’s 9 losses right there before you even consider who you might beat.
There is a reasonable chance to beat the Redskins, but they DID improve this offseason. They should be considered 50/50 for the Saints, Vikings, Colts, Falcons, Seahawks and Panthers.
That means the BEST case scenario has the Giants as an 8 win team. However, in 50/50 games you might lose as many as you win. That could mean the team wins as few as 4-5 games.
All of that can happen even if the OL dramatically improves and Nabors has a very good season. Too many players, while upgrades over the previous starters, are not going to put the Giants in a position where the player lined up across them in worse than the Giants player.
Thus, yes the team could play better than last year- and still lose more games than last year. They could surprise like 2022 and win 8-10 games, but that would be more of a mirage like 2022 than a real skills based outcome.
Nobody knows what twists and turns(injuries) happen in a season so at this point it is a guess. I guarantee that if Bricillo doesn't get the line improved, they will draft top 5.
Let's face it, with an absolute dog shit oline last year they almost beat the Bills and if TT doesn't have a brain fart they do.
Jets? Gano misses a chip shot and the defense allows Wilson to go 60 yards on two plays in 27 seconds?
Rams?
I am not going to predict a record in April because we don't have a clue as to what happens to other teams.
100% correct ps get everything else right. This is Jones last chance. He has to know it. If we suck he's just the tank commander until 2025. His contract canvoid last 2 years
But I think Carolina can be a sleeper team if Young takes a big step forward. I like their off-season, like what Canales did with Mayfield.
They overhauled the trenches with 2 big guard signings, Clowney, Wonnum, and A’Shawn. Overhauled WR room with Legette and Diontae Johnson, in addition to Sanders at TE. And the RB Brooks is one of my favorite players in the draft - he has a chance to be a premiere RB if he can return to form from the injury.
If the Giants didn't draft a QB this year there's little reason to believe they will next year.
Usual BS and nice spin
As they made an aggressive offer to draft one THIS year
But carry on
The question is why the offer will definitely be enough in 2025? Or will their record be substantially worse in 2024 that they can get whoever they want without a trade up.
People did not like the options available at #6 this year or the price/ability to get to #3. Why would that be any different next year?
RE: RE: RE: RE: The Giants will not be passing on #1 QB
If the Giants didn't draft a QB this year there's little reason to believe they will next year.
Usual BS and nice spin
As they made an aggressive offer to draft one THIS year
But carry on
The question is why the offer will definitely be enough in 2025? Or will their record be substantially worse in 2024 that they can get whoever they want without a trade up.
People did not like the options available at #6 this year or the price/ability to get to #3. Why would that be any different next year?
That’s a hypothetical Mike
If they tried this year….no reason why they wouldn’t try again and to me….it shows that they are ready to move on from DJ….which I think we can all agree is a good thing
It is a hypothetical. But I am not asking if the Giants are open to moving on from Daniel Jones. I am stipulating they are.
What I am trying to understand is why there is any reason the 2025 draft will present opportunities that the 2024 draft did not?
Will there be a lot more than 3 prospects that are all worth a high pick? Will there be much fewer teams that need QBs so really good ones will drop? Will the Giants record be so bad that they are picking in the top 3?
Nobody wanted to force a pick in 2024. I get that. Why will 2025 not present the same decision? I don’t know what changes. There will always be an excuse to not take one.
the full bloom in love with a prospect is not smart
Giants should have drafted a qb this draft. Not necessarily at 6 and jj m, but someone to improve the depth and competition in the room.
At some point, they also have to try to draft a legit blue chipper and not a guy.
A decent line of reasoning can be made the team is not far along enough and needed a deep talent infusion first. That would be the argument for not giving h up the farm for maye. But being more inclined to spend to trade up next year.
I don’t like the perfectionist mentality here…. brady and montana would not have been full bloom in love prospects. think they made a mistake not taking someone. Hopefully the skill players and line grow up and nyg is more committed to finding their qb next year.
Giants should have drafted a qb this draft. Not necessarily at 6 and jj m, but someone to improve the depth and competition in the room.
At some point, they also have to try to draft a legit blue chipper and not a guy.
A decent line of reasoning can be made the team is not far along enough and needed a deep talent infusion first. That would be the argument for not giving h up the farm for maye. But being more inclined to spend to trade up next year.
I don’t like the perfectionist mentality here…. brady and montana would not have been full bloom in love prospects. think they made a mistake not taking someone. Hopefully the skill players and line grow up and nyg is more committed to finding their qb next year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The Giants will not be passing on #1 QB
If the Giants didn't draft a QB this year there's little reason to believe they will next year.
Usual BS and nice spin
As they made an aggressive offer to draft one THIS year
But carry on
The question is why the offer will definitely be enough in 2025? Or will their record be substantially worse in 2024 that they can get whoever they want without a trade up.
People did not like the options available at #6 this year or the price/ability to get to #3. Why would that be any different next year?
I don't know if I'd say the Giants didn't like the options at #6, but maybe they just had really high grade on Nabers.
none of the ones next year will trigger full bloom love.
More stupidity from another on e sane poster. wtf. They didn't like anyone after the top 3. Taking the next Daniel Jones or Same Darnold Woolf make you happy? Daniel Jones Derangement Syndrome is real.
Shedeur Sanders, Jaxson Dart, Cam Ward, Riley Leonard are others that come to mind
The Alabama QB had a really strong Spring Game for whatever that is worth, he looked a lot better, quicker decisions, more confident throwing the ball, more accurate. Wouldn't be surprised to see Milroe end up taking the top spot.
I want to replace Daniel Jones as much as the next guy
But how terrible he is has reached mythological proportions. As someone put it you'd think we have Jake Fromm at QB. The O-line has been addressed at multiple spots, we got a new O-line coach, we added one of the best WRs to come out of the draft in many years and we added talent on defense. Oh and our HC is good. Barring injuries this team could win 7 or 8 games and I wouldn't be shocked. With an average O-line, Nabers, and some depth at WR, as well as the pass rushers we have this team can be average.
Shedeur Sanders, Jaxson Dart, Cam Ward, Riley Leonard are others that come to mind
The Alabama QB had a really strong Spring Game for whatever that is worth, he looked a lot better, quicker decisions, more confident throwing the ball, more accurate. Wouldn't be surprised to see Milroe end up taking the top spot.
He's the one I forgot to mentionz good call.
RE: I want to replace Daniel Jones as much as the next guy
But how terrible he is has reached mythological proportions. As someone put it you'd think we have Jake Fromm at QB. The O-line has been addressed at multiple spots, we got a new O-line coach, we added one of the best WRs to come out of the draft in many years and we added talent on defense. Oh and our HC is good. Barring injuries this team could win 7 or 8 games and I wouldn't be shocked. With an average O-line, Nabers, and some depth at WR, as well as the pass rushers we have this team can be average.
Not mythological. True. Real. If you bother to look at the QB stats for 2023 and sort by many important metrics, Jones is the 32nd ranked starter in the NFL. You may not like it, but math is math. and this jives with the limited robotic passer we have seen in the past who was asked to open it up and simply couldn't do it. Jones is an instance where the eye test, narrative, and numbers all line up.
RE: RE: CBS Sports did a too early 2025 mock draft
and they have the PANTHERS picking first and drafting a quarterback. Again.
They also have the Giants drafting fifth and taking a defensive end. That’s actually a more nightmarish scenario than having the first overall selection. CBS Sports 2025 Mock Draft - ( New Window )
Pats, Panthers, Commanders, Broncos, Titans top to bottom all seem a clear step below imo.
Pats, Panthers, Commanders, Broncos, Titans top to bottom all seem a clear step below imo.
I’m not sure I would say any of those teams other than the Panthers are clearly below us.
Pats, Panthers, Commanders, Broncos, Titans top to bottom all seem a clear step below imo.
I am to, and I think a trip back to the playoffs is very much possible. We've seen Jones do it with worse teams.
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but this can't be the worst team in the league.
Pats, Panthers, Commanders, Broncos, Titans top to bottom all seem a clear step below imo.
I’m not sure I would say any of those teams other than the Panthers are clearly below us.
Who is the best player on the Pats right now, either side of the ball? Onwenu? Maybe in a year to two it'll be Maye even then who's he throwing it to? They're a mess.
FWIW, if Bricillo can "fix" the line, the Giants may be a .500 team. Bricillo is probably more important to this team than Kafka.
In my mind, the oline is the single biggest area that will be the difference between a mid-level team and one choosing top 5 in 2025.
#12 Mason Graham, DT, Michigan (GBN Report)
#5 JT Tuimoloau, DE, Ohio State (CBS Sports)
#1 Carson Beck, QB, Georgia (USA Today)
Average it out, and the Giants are right back again at #6 -- certainly within the realm of possibility. But here's one caveat -- if Joe Shoen's O-line can hang together with the combination of his past draft choices and recent FA signings, then I think the Giants can get into the playoffs hook or crook.
We have a knack for signing solid journeymen starters on the offensive line that turn out to be crap here.
The QB situation comes down to whether you think Lock will be better than Tyrod. Career to date it's a downgrade.
We're hoping new additions in the secondary are going to be as good or better than veteran starters.
A lot of things need to fall our way before you even factor in schedule and injury luck and our QB situation limits our ceiling.
Worst may not be as likely as picking top 10, but it's in the cards.
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but this can't be the worst team in the league.
Pats, Panthers, Commanders, Broncos, Titans top to bottom all seem a clear step below imo.
I’m not sure I would say any of those teams other than the Panthers are clearly below us.
Agreed and who knows Bryce could emerge a bit. He had a worse supporting cast than dj has ever had last year lol
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but this can't be the worst team in the league.
Pats, Panthers, Commanders, Broncos, Titans top to bottom all seem a clear step below imo.
I’m not sure I would say any of those teams other than the Panthers are clearly below us.
Who is the best player on the Pats right now, either side of the ball? Onwenu? Maybe in a year to two it'll be Maye even then who's he throwing it to? They're a mess.
He may be throwing to the WR they picked at the top of the 2nd round? You don’t pick a guy there because he needs a few years to develop.
And yes, they have they QB we tried desperately to get.
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but this can't be the worst team in the league.
Pats, Panthers, Commanders, Broncos, Titans top to bottom all seem a clear step below imo.
I’m not sure I would say any of those teams other than the Panthers are clearly below us.
Agreed and who knows Bryce could emerge a bit. He had a worse supporting cast than dj has ever had last year lol
He did? That offensive line without Thomas was a scary scene.
Our minds are filling in the gaps with new names, but the reality is some of our plans at certain position can and will fail. We won't know until August.
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but this can't be the worst team in the league.
Pats, Panthers, Commanders, Broncos, Titans top to bottom all seem a clear step below imo.
I’m not sure I would say any of those teams other than the Panthers are clearly below us.
Agreed and who knows Bryce could emerge a bit. He had a worse supporting cast than dj has ever had last year lol
He did? That offensive line without Thomas was a scary scene.
Check out their 2023 roster. It was brutal.
While the official schedule hasn’t been announced yet, we know who the opponents are. I believe that the Giants will likely lose to the Bucs, Ravens, Bengals, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Dallas twice and the Eagles twice. That’s 9 losses right there before you even consider who you might beat.
There is a reasonable chance to beat the Redskins, but they DID improve this offseason. They should be considered 50/50 for the Saints, Vikings, Colts, Falcons, Seahawks and Panthers.
That means the BEST case scenario has the Giants as an 8 win team. However, in 50/50 games you might lose as many as you win. That could mean the team wins as few as 4-5 games.
All of that can happen even if the OL dramatically improves and Nabors has a very good season. Too many players, while upgrades over the previous starters, are not going to put the Giants in a position where the player lined up across them in worse than the Giants player.
Thus, yes the team could play better than last year- and still lose more games than last year. They could surprise like 2022 and win 8-10 games, but that would be more of a mirage like 2022 than a real skills based outcome.
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but this can't be the worst team in the league.
Pats, Panthers, Commanders, Broncos, Titans top to bottom all seem a clear step below imo.
I’m not sure I would say any of those teams other than the Panthers are clearly below us.
Who is the best player on the Pats right now, either side of the ball? Onwenu? Maybe in a year to two it'll be Maye even then who's he throwing it to? They're a mess.
He may be throwing to the WR they picked at the top of the 2nd round? You don’t pick a guy there because he needs a few years to develop.
And yes, they have they QB we tried desperately to get.
QB we tried to get but basically everyone acknowledges needs to sit a year. If your two best players are the two rookies you just drafted you have serious problems as a team.
We have a knack for signing solid journeymen starters on the offensive line that turn out to be crap here.
The QB situation comes down to whether you think Lock will be better than Tyrod. Career to date it's a downgrade.
We're hoping new additions in the secondary are going to be as good or better than veteran starters.
A lot of things need to fall our way before you even factor in schedule and injury luck and our QB situation limits our ceiling.
Worst may not be as likely as picking top 10, but it's in the cards.
It's interesting, but so many people hate on Jones, and maybe he deserves it, but what does it say that Barkley only had 1 100 yard game last year? But who cares about the offensive line.
While the official schedule hasn’t been announced yet, we know who the opponents are. I believe that the Giants will likely lose to the Bucs, Ravens, Bengals, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Dallas twice and the Eagles twice. That’s 9 losses right there before you even consider who you might beat.
There is a reasonable chance to beat the Redskins, but they DID improve this offseason. They should be considered 50/50 for the Saints, Vikings, Colts, Falcons, Seahawks and Panthers.
That means the BEST case scenario has the Giants as an 8 win team. However, in 50/50 games you might lose as many as you win. That could mean the team wins as few as 4-5 games.
All of that can happen even if the OL dramatically improves and Nabors has a very good season. Too many players, while upgrades over the previous starters, are not going to put the Giants in a position where the player lined up across them in worse than the Giants player.
Thus, yes the team could play better than last year- and still lose more games than last year. They could surprise like 2022 and win 8-10 games, but that would be more of a mirage like 2022 than a real skills based outcome.
Nobody knows what twists and turns(injuries) happen in a season so at this point it is a guess. I guarantee that if Bricillo doesn't get the line improved, they will draft top 5.
Let's face it, with an absolute dog shit oline last year they almost beat the Bills and if TT doesn't have a brain fart they do.
Jets? Gano misses a chip shot and the defense allows Wilson to go 60 yards on two plays in 27 seconds?
Rams?
I am not going to predict a record in April because we don't have a clue as to what happens to other teams.
They also have the Giants drafting fifth and taking a defensive end. That’s actually a more nightmarish scenario than having the first overall selection.
CBS Sports 2025 Mock Draft - ( New Window )
They also have the Giants drafting fifth and taking a defensive end. That’s actually a more nightmarish scenario than having the first overall selection. CBS Sports 2025 Mock Draft - ( New Window )
Didn’t the Panthers give away next years #1 too?
FWIW, if Bricillo can "fix" the line, the Giants may be a .500 team. Bricillo is probably more important to this team than Kafka.
In my mind, the oline is the single biggest area that will be the difference between a mid-level team and one choosing top 5 in 2025.
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This team can be better than last year’s team- and still finish with a worse record. In fact, they likely will finish with a worse record.
While the official schedule hasn’t been announced yet, we know who the opponents are. I believe that the Giants will likely lose to the Bucs, Ravens, Bengals, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Dallas twice and the Eagles twice. That’s 9 losses right there before you even consider who you might beat.
There is a reasonable chance to beat the Redskins, but they DID improve this offseason. They should be considered 50/50 for the Saints, Vikings, Colts, Falcons, Seahawks and Panthers.
That means the BEST case scenario has the Giants as an 8 win team. However, in 50/50 games you might lose as many as you win. That could mean the team wins as few as 4-5 games.
All of that can happen even if the OL dramatically improves and Nabors has a very good season. Too many players, while upgrades over the previous starters, are not going to put the Giants in a position where the player lined up across them in worse than the Giants player.
Thus, yes the team could play better than last year- and still lose more games than last year. They could surprise like 2022 and win 8-10 games, but that would be more of a mirage like 2022 than a real skills based outcome.
Nobody knows what twists and turns(injuries) happen in a season so at this point it is a guess. I guarantee that if Bricillo doesn't get the line improved, they will draft top 5.
Let's face it, with an absolute dog shit oline last year they almost beat the Bills and if TT doesn't have a brain fart they do.
Jets? Gano misses a chip shot and the defense allows Wilson to go 60 yards on two plays in 27 seconds?
Rams?
I am not going to predict a record in April because we don't have a clue as to what happens to other teams.
They overhauled the trenches with 2 big guard signings, Clowney, Wonnum, and A’Shawn. Overhauled WR room with Legette and Diontae Johnson, in addition to Sanders at TE. And the RB Brooks is one of my favorite players in the draft - he has a chance to be a premiere RB if he can return to form from the injury.
If the Giants didn't draft a QB this year there's little reason to believe they will next year.
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Next year.
If the Giants didn't draft a QB this year there's little reason to believe they will next year.
Usual BS and nice spin
As they made an aggressive offer to draft one THIS year
But carry on
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Next year.
If the Giants didn't draft a QB this year there's little reason to believe they will next year.
Usual BS and nice spin
As they made an aggressive offer to draft one THIS year
But carry on
The question is why the offer will definitely be enough in 2025? Or will their record be substantially worse in 2024 that they can get whoever they want without a trade up.
People did not like the options available at #6 this year or the price/ability to get to #3. Why would that be any different next year?
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Next year.
If the Giants didn't draft a QB this year there's little reason to believe they will next year.
Usual BS and nice spin
As they made an aggressive offer to draft one THIS year
But carry on
The question is why the offer will definitely be enough in 2025? Or will their record be substantially worse in 2024 that they can get whoever they want without a trade up.
People did not like the options available at #6 this year or the price/ability to get to #3. Why would that be any different next year?
That’s a hypothetical Mike
If they tried this year….no reason why they wouldn’t try again and to me….it shows that they are ready to move on from DJ….which I think we can all agree is a good thing
What I am trying to understand is why there is any reason the 2025 draft will present opportunities that the 2024 draft did not?
Will there be a lot more than 3 prospects that are all worth a high pick? Will there be much fewer teams that need QBs so really good ones will drop? Will the Giants record be so bad that they are picking in the top 3?
Nobody wanted to force a pick in 2024. I get that. Why will 2025 not present the same decision? I don’t know what changes. There will always be an excuse to not take one.
At some point, they also have to try to draft a legit blue chipper and not a guy.
A decent line of reasoning can be made the team is not far along enough and needed a deep talent infusion first. That would be the argument for not giving h up the farm for maye. But being more inclined to spend to trade up next year.
I don’t like the perfectionist mentality here…. brady and montana would not have been full bloom in love prospects. think they made a mistake not taking someone. Hopefully the skill players and line grow up and nyg is more committed to finding their qb next year.
At some point, they also have to try to draft a legit blue chipper and not a guy.
A decent line of reasoning can be made the team is not far along enough and needed a deep talent infusion first. That would be the argument for not giving h up the farm for maye. But being more inclined to spend to trade up next year.
I don’t like the perfectionist mentality here…. brady and montana would not have been full bloom in love prospects. think they made a mistake not taking someone. Hopefully the skill players and line grow up and nyg is more committed to finding their qb next year.
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In comment 16497210 Giant John said:
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Next year.
If the Giants didn't draft a QB this year there's little reason to believe they will next year.
Usual BS and nice spin
As they made an aggressive offer to draft one THIS year
But carry on
The question is why the offer will definitely be enough in 2025? Or will their record be substantially worse in 2024 that they can get whoever they want without a trade up.
People did not like the options available at #6 this year or the price/ability to get to #3. Why would that be any different next year?
I don't know if I'd say the Giants didn't like the options at #6, but maybe they just had really high grade on Nabers.
Shedeur Sanders, Jaxson Dart, Cam Ward, Riley Leonard are others that come to mind
I think Jayden Daniels is going to be a big upgrade for WAS. They didn't make a lot of notable moves on their O line though.
More stupidity from another on e sane poster. wtf. They didn't like anyone after the top 3. Taking the next Daniel Jones or Same Darnold Woolf make you happy? Daniel Jones Derangement Syndrome is real.
That is pathetic.
That is pathetic.
The other GM's from the 2022 hiring cycle entering year 3:
-Bears: 8.5
-Vikings: 6.5
-Giants: 6.5
-Raiders: Fired
To be fair, the Giants are the only team to have a playoff win. The Bears & Vikings have drafted first round QBs, the Giants have not.
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Are the top 2 as of now.
Shedeur Sanders, Jaxson Dart, Cam Ward, Riley Leonard are others that come to mind
The Alabama QB had a really strong Spring Game for whatever that is worth, he looked a lot better, quicker decisions, more confident throwing the ball, more accurate. Wouldn't be surprised to see Milroe end up taking the top spot.
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In comment 16498247 jeff57 said:
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Are the top 2 as of now.
Shedeur Sanders, Jaxson Dart, Cam Ward, Riley Leonard are others that come to mind
The Alabama QB had a really strong Spring Game for whatever that is worth, he looked a lot better, quicker decisions, more confident throwing the ball, more accurate. Wouldn't be surprised to see Milroe end up taking the top spot.
He's the one I forgot to mentionz good call.
Not mythological. True. Real. If you bother to look at the QB stats for 2023 and sort by many important metrics, Jones is the 32nd ranked starter in the NFL. You may not like it, but math is math. and this jives with the limited robotic passer we have seen in the past who was asked to open it up and simply couldn't do it. Jones is an instance where the eye test, narrative, and numbers all line up.
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and they have the PANTHERS picking first and drafting a quarterback. Again.
They also have the Giants drafting fifth and taking a defensive end. That’s actually a more nightmarish scenario than having the first overall selection. CBS Sports 2025 Mock Draft - ( New Window )
Didn’t the Panthers give away next years #1 too?
No.