First off, a "thank you" to all of BBI's asshats, old and new. I don't think I've experienced a draft lead up that was so exciting and full of juicy rumors. I don't want this post to come off as slamming anyone, because, as we'll see with Rico's post draft message, plans change on the fly. I think the fact that some top asshats were off on a few things speaks to the amount of disinformation that was flying around this draft, and I'll have no problem tuning into them again next year because their records to date speak for themselves.
So without further ado, I'll try to score each tidbit as a hit, miss, or unknown. Feel free to post corrections or any info/follow ups I missed.
Rico:
- ✅ NYG if Maye is picked, NYG likely stays at #6
- ✅ NYG Maye at #3
- ❔ NYG has a deal in place with ARI to move to #4
- ✅ NYG originally believed to be going for Maye or Daniels, but JJM is now a possibility
- ❌ NYG is NOT sticking with Jones and trading back to fill more roster holes
Deconstruction
Rico : mute : 4/25/2024 9:34 pm : link : reply
We clearly wanted Maye. JJ was a smokescreen. Not sure how the deal with NE was on and then off again, but once they took Maye, there was no reason to trade up with AZ.
This is consistent with Schoen's history of targeting specific players and not position groups.
The big winner is Daniel Jones!
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I'll start with Rico because of his follow up message. Interesting to note that the deal with NE was on and then off, meaning NYG either got cold feet on the cost or NE decided it wanted more in a trade. I would love to know who specifically killed the deal and why. This explains the asshat fake out.
GoDeep13:
- ❌ NYG will move up to #3
- ❌ NYG loves JJM
- ❌ NYG willing to trade up, but will not surrender 2025 1st. They really want to keep #47. They would part with #70 and a day 2 pick in 2025 or player.
- ❔ NYG wants to trade down for CB Mitchell or DT Newtown/Murphy if JJM, Nabers, and MHJ are gone at #6
- ✅ NYG Daboll loves Nabers, will take Nabers at #6
- ❌ NYG would pass on Maye at #6, use him as trade down bait
- ❔ NYG would look to trade down if [only] Odunze is there at #6
- ❔ NYG will not trade up from #47 to take Nix, but might for Penix if they go WR at #6.
- ✅ NYG will get a QB in the first round or not at all
- ❔ NYG will trade for a veteran WR if they get a QB in the draft
- ❔ NYG likes Ladd McConkey
- ✅ CHI takes Williams at #1, WAS takes Daniels at #2
- ❌ NE like Williams, Daniels, Penix, Nix in that order
- ❌ MIN wants to trade with NE at #3 to take JJM over Maye
- ❌ NE prefers MIN picks over NYG picks in a trade
- ❌ MIN likes Maye, just not as much as JJM
- ✅ LAC wants Joe Alt or JC Latham in a slight trade back
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What's interesting is that if GoDeep had swapped NYG's and MIN's ranking of JJM and Maye, he would have had a lot more hits. Some interesting specific information otherwise.
GiantGrit:
- ✅ NYG wants Maye if he gets to #3
- ❌ NYG wants Odunze, not JJ at #6
- ❌ NYG leaning Odunze over Nabers at #6
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Grit was spot on with the Maye interest from the start.
Peppers:
- ❔ NYG JJM is "a real wild card"
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I don't know if we ever got specifics on what he meant by this.
Rickey213 (new but proven hits):
- ❌ NYG is moving up to take a QB
- ✅ WAS takes Daniels at #2
- ❔ NYG talked to SF about Aiyuk
- ✅ NE 100% takes Maye or JJM, will only trade down if they can be assured of still getting one or the other.
- ❌ NE will either take JJM or trade down
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Rickey was on a hot streak until (of course) it came to the Giants on draft day. I can't fault him too much for the deal breaking up and information changing. It did seem like there was a rug pull of sorts behind the scenes though, because he missed the LAC draft pick call as well (called Nabers instead of Alt). I didn't follow his Twitter during the draft so maybe it was a momentary mishap.
Sky King (new):
- ❌ MIN all in on Maye
- ❔ MIN fallback is Penix, not JJM
- ❔ NYG views Nabers as a potential problem personality ala OBJ
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Hard to gauge how much Minnesota really wanted Maye, but in the end they were fine saying no to NE, sitting on their picks, and securing another QB. No doubt ATL took Penix because they knew he wouldn't make it past pick 12, so it's entirely possible that Penix was the first fallback for MIN, not JJM.
Stars_and_stripes (new):
- ✅ NYG and MIN prefer Maye
- ❌ NE prefers JJM, lukewarm on Maye
- ✅ NYG and MIN both trying to trade up with NE at #3, NYG has the upper hand (see below)
- ❌ ARI will be involved somehow in the trade to ensure NE can land JJM after trade down. ARI targeting a receiver.
- ❌ NYG surprise player may be included in the three way trade somehow.
- ❔ Burns trade was consummated knowing NE's needs in a trade up scenario
- ❔ NYG likes JJM too and would move up to #4 if Maye goes #3.
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Stars_and_stripes
had a follow up post here
Again, I'm not even sure if this was asshattery or just opinion stated as fact.
Hope Eric/BBI did not get tagged as the mole - LOL
Hope Eric/BBI did not get tagged as the mole - LOL
What specifically would you change? I'm open to being corrected. I think it's also a given that MIN preferred Maye, they just weren't interested in a bidding war and were OK with at least one fallback at QB if they couldn't get to #3.
Rico's "NYG is NOT sticking with Jones and trading back to fill more roster holes" is one mistake. Should be half a hit since we did not trade back for more picks.
obviously they took Maye and it now seems like there was a league consensus on him being QB3.
obviously some stuff re the NYG turned out wrong (preferring jjm, odunze) but i think a lot of the NYG stuff was likely linked to what NE did, and that seemed very unclear on their end of things totally unrelated to NYG.
Pats I think uncomfortable with the unknown at 4 and 5.
I think Giants were pumping up JJM to get Pats to believe they also loved JJ to reinforce their own beliefs on him too.
Again just my best guess here at this point.
obviously they took Maye and it now seems like there was a league consensus on him being QB3.
obviously some stuff re the NYG turned out wrong (preferring jjm, odunze) but i think a lot of the NYG stuff was likely linked to what NE did, and that seemed very unclear on their end of things totally unrelated to NYG.
One article suggested NE was the one to pull out because NYG and MIN (Daboll and O'Connell specifically) were so interested in Maye and that influenced NE's perception of him.
Stars and Stripes follow up post suggests that Mara had a hand in pulling out because he did not like that NYG was giving up so much for Maye and felt better just sticking with DJ.
Maybe it's both.
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there were strong rumors kraft(s) were involved and pushing JJM.
obviously they took Maye and it now seems like there was a league consensus on him being QB3.
obviously some stuff re the NYG turned out wrong (preferring jjm, odunze) but i think a lot of the NYG stuff was likely linked to what NE did, and that seemed very unclear on their end of things totally unrelated to NYG.
One article suggested NE was the one to pull out because NYG and MIN (Daboll and O'Connell specifically) were so interested in Maye and that influenced NE's perception of him.
Stars and Stripes follow up post suggests that Mara had a hand in pulling out because he did not like that NYG was giving up so much for Maye and felt better just sticking with DJ.
Maybe it's both.
Idk how true the Mara thing is. I was told by a front office member of an NFC team that the Giants offered 5 picks to move up to 3 and that's as high as Schoen was going. I was told the Giants offered the following
2024 - 1st and 2nd
2025 - 1st, 3rd & 5th
The Pats declined the offer. Now Idk how true it is as my friend doesn't work for the Giants or Pats, but he said that's what his team heard the NYG offered for Maye.
One article suggested NE was the one to pull out because NYG and MIN (Daboll and O'Connell specifically) were so interested in Maye and that influenced NE's perception of him.
i buy this because it 100% informs my novice opinion of drake maye in the positive as well. o'connell and daboll are 2 very good offensive coaches and they both felt he was worth something like 3x what jjm was worth. if i was an owner and i had a shred of self awareness knowing these guys are pros and im not, id be very afraid of forcing a decision on my organization.
re the latter i do not buy the mara boogeyman for a second. is he sitting there with a trade chart saying he'll only allow a move up for maye within a certain number of points?
This is so awesome!!! 👏
Good for him for clearly cleaning up the leaks.
But the Vikings were all in on Maye, as they ultimately offered two 1's in 2024 and a 1 AND a 2 in 2025. The Pats simply didn't want to trade.
However, they were STUNNED when Penix went to Atl. as they were sure he'd be there at 11. He was their fallback, and then they had to reluctantly pivot to JJM.
I understand there were a LOT of unhappy Execs there as you could see for yourself when ESPN went to the War Room and instead of seeing typical high-fiving and clapping, everyone was seated and quiet.
What do you make of the Vikings not trading up? Do you think NYG & MIN weren't as hot on Maye as reported?
You guys eat it up and stroke these guys like they know anything. There were onky two people who ever knew an actual thing around here. SOTI and Gloveone and they were treated so horribly when the info they had wasnt what some people wanted to hear that they left rela quick.
But the Vikings were all in on Maye, as they ultimately offered two 1's in 2024 and a 1 AND a 2 in 2025. The Pats simply didn't want to trade.
However, they were STUNNED when Penix went to Atl. as they were sure he'd be there at 11. He was their fallback, and then they had to reluctantly pivot to JJM.
I understand there were a LOT of unhappy Execs there as you could see for yourself when ESPN went to the War Room and instead of seeing typical high-fiving and clapping, everyone was seated and quiet.
Interesting, thanks for the info.
While I think Maye was the choice all along, I do think they showed interest to JJM to drive the market a bit and I think NE did that to us to see how much we were actually willing to pay.
Clearly the Giants liked Nabers over JJM and the other QBs. They may have taken JJM if Nabers went at 5. Who knows.
I’m glad it worked out the way it did. I didn’t want a trade up and didn’t want JJM.
You guys eat it up and stroke these guys like they know anything. There were onky two people who ever knew an actual thing around here. SOTI and Gloveone and they were treated so horribly when the info they had wasnt what some people wanted to hear that they left rela quick.
Wait now. You signed up last month. Tell us more about how it went down with SOTI and Gloveone...