Quotes from Slayton via Duggan:
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Giants WR Darius Slayton was back in the area tonight to be honored as the Hometown Hero at the United Way’s annual Gridiron Gala. Slayton has been skipping the voluntary offseason program because he wants a new contract.
Slayton expressed confidence “we’ll come to a resolution soon.” Slayton said his agent and GM Joe Schoen have had “good, constant communication.”
Slayton didn’t specify if he’s seeking a raise or an extension. “We’ll come to something on either end of it.”
Slayton doesn’t expect this to drag into training camp. If it does? “We’ll cross that bridge when we get there.”
Slayton said he doesn’t want to get traded. “I’ve enjoyed my time as a Giant and I’d like to remain a Giant. Hopefully that will be the result of this.” |
thinking out loud, what might an extension for slayton look like, something like the contract curtis samuel just got in FA could fit. that was 3 years 24m with 14m guaranteed. first 2 years are 16m cash, so it is a pretty true 8m per year. he is 28 years old and got that deal off back to back 600 yard, 4 td seasons.
slayton's current deal was 6m aav, so 2m per year and more guaranteed money is a decent bump. assuming the 6.2m cash slayton has coming to him this year is incorporated into an extension that is effectively:
+2 years to nyg,
+8m gtd to slayton,
+18m total,
i think that's a pretty reasonable deal for both sides. giants basically guarantee 1 extra year in return for 2 at a similar rate to what they paid him last year.
slayton's best case scenario next year is probably something like gabe davis' 3x39m (24m guaranteed) but he'd have to have a career year. with a lot of target competition seems like a big risk to take on a career year.
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Had a rough start but went to work and made himself a very valuable player. We need a bunch of guys around him on the field and in the locker room.
Regardless, this is a team that's not out of the water yet with their cap issues, and there should be no consideration given to paying Slayton any kind of premium. Let him play out his final year and then respectfully move on from him.
All Slayton had ever done is show up every game and competed. He is a good teammate and has lead the team in receiving yards 4 of the last 5 years.
He is not the best WR in the league by a long shot but he is a good NFL WR.
I do find it funny how some fans bitch we don’t hit on mid round picks and at the same time want to cut them loose when they want money for being consistent and producing .
Oh, and go watch the video of the 2019 Giants - Jets regular season game and tell me if Slayton is a good player.
+10000 and while he might not be reliable because of his hands, the kid works really hard and cares., plus he is a decent receiver.
It'd be one thing if we was leading the team in targets, but not doing anything with them. He's the complete opposite, his productivity numbers reflect in a normal offense he'd get more looks. The biggest quantifiable knock on Slayton has been drops, which he markedly improved.
ESPN Advanced Analytics rated him the 35th overall WR last year, which lines up with his production. He was 39th among receivers in yards.
I don't think he'll get extended. I think he'll get some cash and incentives added to his deal for this year.
I think we all hope Hyatt and Robinson progress. But really think about it -- if Nabers is who we all want him to be -- one of Hyatt or Robinson is really aiming to produce what Slayton produces.
We have ONE position grouping on the whole damn team with decent depth and people are miffed that the Giants want to keep it that way for a few million dollars.
Keep in mind that the top 3 receivers (assuming Hyatt beats out Slayton) are on their rookie deals.
It'd be one thing if we was leading the team in targets, but not doing anything with them. He's the complete opposite, his productivity numbers reflect in a normal offense he'd get more looks. The biggest quantifiable knock on Slayton has been drops, which he markedly improved.
ESPN Advanced Analytics rated him the 35th overall WR last year, which lines up with his production. He was 39th among receivers in yards.
I don't think he'll get extended. I think he'll get some cash and incentives added to his deal for this year.
I think we all hope Hyatt and Robinson progress. But really think about it -- if Nabers is who we all want him to be -- one of Hyatt or Robinson is really aiming to produce what Slayton produces.
Wait, we should pay him after one decent season? Where has that gone wrong before???
It'd be one thing if we was leading the team in targets, but not doing anything with them. He's the complete opposite, his productivity numbers reflect in a normal offense he'd get more looks. The biggest quantifiable knock on Slayton has been drops, which he markedly improved.
ESPN Advanced Analytics rated him the 35th overall WR last year, which lines up with his production. He was 39th among receivers in yards.
I don't think he'll get extended. I think he'll get some cash and incentives added to his deal for this year.
I think we all hope Hyatt and Robinson progress. But really think about it -- if Nabers is who we all want him to be -- one of Hyatt or Robinson is really aiming to produce what Slayton produces.
Wait, we should pay him after one decent season? Where has that gone wrong before???
1) I don't think the Giants should or will extend him.
2) I can't even imagine how you gleaned he's had one decent season out of what I posted. Slayton has had 4 season +700 yard and +15 YPR.
I think there is this misconception the number two pass catcher on most teams is blowing the doors off the numbers, but that's just not true. Here's the number two pass catcher by yards for every team last year, which includes TEs and WRs, and were Slayton ranks against them.
Take Slayton out of the picture. There are only 9 players on that list who gained 700+ yards at 9 YPT. That is a the benchmark for a very good 2nd target.
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Least bad options don't average over 15 YPC and nearly 9 yards per target.
It'd be one thing if we was leading the team in targets, but not doing anything with them. He's the complete opposite, his productivity numbers reflect in a normal offense he'd get more looks. The biggest quantifiable knock on Slayton has been drops, which he markedly improved.
ESPN Advanced Analytics rated him the 35th overall WR last year, which lines up with his production. He was 39th among receivers in yards.
I don't think he'll get extended. I think he'll get some cash and incentives added to his deal for this year.
I think we all hope Hyatt and Robinson progress. But really think about it -- if Nabers is who we all want him to be -- one of Hyatt or Robinson is really aiming to produce what Slayton produces.
Wait, we should pay him after one decent season? Where has that gone wrong before???
2) I can't even imagine how you gleaned he's had one decent season out of what I posted. Slayton has had 4 season +700 yard and +15 YPR.
Many posters have suggested many of Jones numbers are skewed in 2022 by playing bad defenses, including his playoff game - fine. Its a valid point. Lets look at Slaytons numbers in games that mattered against good teams:
Dallas - 6 catches for 36 yards (2 games)
San Fran - 3 for 32
Seattle - 2 for 23
Miami - 2 for 35
Buffalo - 4 for 69 (decent day)
Jets - 1 for -1 yards (that was the Devito disaster, so we can throw that out)
GB - 2 for 24
So in 8 games against good teams when we were actually in the playoff hunt (as bad as that sounds)
We have
20 catches for 218 yards and 0 TDs.
I understand you are going to counter it was all the QBs play fault. But come on, these are bad numbers. I showed you this before. Half his yards came on 9 catches last year. SO yes, I agree he has big play potential. But to consider him a number 2 is simply a farce because he isnt. And I dont care how many 700 yard seasons he has - he has mostly been our top threat at WR, and those numbers just dont pass.
Move on. We have three other potential guys who are more talented that we dont need to waste money on a role player.
Why pay more for a mediocre vet when similar production can be had at a lower price?
Slayton seems to be a tweener: better than the JAGs, but not good enough to be a difference maker. As long as his contract reflects his mediocrity, it's tolerable.
But, good cap managed teams have a lot of cost controlled production, leaving money left to over pay difference makers. Getting average value doesn't leave money left over. In this light, a 'fair' contract for the likes of Slayton is not necessarily a good one.
What's a # lot WR and why do you hate the English language so much?
Dallas - 6 catches for 36 yards (2 games)
San Fran - 3 for 32
Seattle - 2 for 23
Miami - 2 for 35
Buffalo - 4 for 69 (decent day)
Jets - 1 for -1 yards (that was the Devito disaster, so we can throw that out)
GB - 2 for 24
So in 8 games against good teams when we were actually in the playoff hunt (as bad as that sounds)
We have
20 catches for 218 yards and 0 TDs.
I understand you are going to counter it was all the QBs play fault. But come on, these are bad numbers. I showed you this before. Half his yards came on 9 catches last year. SO yes, I agree he has big play potential. But to consider him a number 2 is simply a farce because he isnt. And I dont care how many 700 yard seasons he has - he has mostly been our top threat at WR, and those numbers just dont pass.
Move on. We have three other potential guys who are more talented that we dont need to waste money on a role player.
You seem to be arguing a point with me that I am not making. I don't think the Giants should extend Slayton. And I want Robinson and Hyatt to pass him up. That's the best outcome because they are younger and cheaper. And if one of them passes him on the depth chart, their production will likely be what his has been.
I don't care that half of his production came on 9 catches, that's a great outcome. He's not a possession receiver, he's a home run hitter. That's who Hyatt should aspire to be -- a low target/big production player.
There about 40-50 players who gain 700+ yards receiving each year, Slayton has been on that list 4 times. And he does it without needing a bunch of targets. If Hyatt can be that player for the Giants, he'll be a big success.
He was a great 5th round pick. He is always available and I’d like to keep him at his current salary. Hopefully Hyatt over takes him and we can let him go next season. He’s a solid 700 yard WR, we may even see his numbers go up as he draws lower end coverage.
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But the reaction to Slayton is even worse. The guy gets paid exactly like he should be. A # lot WR. Maybe some more guaranteed cash? He’s now the 3 or 4th WR. Hyatt played good this year you can cut him. But he’s hardly the issue in this team when it comes to the cap. That convo starts and ends w Jones.
What's a # lot WR and why do you hate the English language so much?
open mic night at the big blue improv again. you have an odd way of participating in threads, dont actually comment on the subject or the content of anyone's reply just comments about the posters. what's the process exactly? are you opening threads just hoping to find certain posters within? lurking until they typo?
Third and fourth receivers don't produce 700+ yards on 80 targets.
There were only 2 players in the NFL who produced 700 yards on fewer than 80 targets. Slayton and Rashid Shaheed.
Let's try this exercise -- let's say Hyatt is the clear cut number two receiver next year. What would you expect his targets, receptions, and yards to be?
Let's try this exercise -- let's say Hyatt is the clear cut number two receiver next year. What would you expect his targets, receptions, and yards to be?
I am not trying to be a wiseass, but I really dont know the answer. Who was our number 1 last year according to the stats you provided above?
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Put him at #1 and he’s a JAG. You don’t pay a 3rd or 4th WR big money. They are the guys you replace every 4 years with a rookie. They should not extend him or give him a raise.
Third and fourth receivers don't produce 700+ yards on 80 targets.
There were only 2 players in the NFL who produced 700 yards on fewer than 80 targets. Slayton and Rashid Shaheed.
Let's try this exercise -- let's say Hyatt is the clear cut number two receiver next year. What would you expect his targets, receptions, and yards to be?
He produced that because he was our WR1 for much if the year. If he is our WR3 or WR4 the numbers will go way down.
Look, you can't beat christian at this. You can only hope to contain him. My advice to you is:
I am not trying to be a wiseass, but I really dont know the answer. Who was our number 1 last year according to the stats you provided above?
Slayton had the most target at 79 one ahead of Robinson with 78. I believe the Giants and Patriots were tied for the fewest targets for their leader.
The Giants didn't have a number one guy. They intended that to be Waller, but he got hurt.
Nabers is that guy now obviously.
There were only 2 players in the NFL who produced 700 yards on fewer than 80 targets. Slayton and Rashid Shaheed.
Let's try this exercise -- let's say Hyatt is the clear cut number two receiver next year. What would you expect his targets, receptions, and yards to be?
He produced that because he was our WR1 for much if the year. If he is our WR3 or WR4 the numbers will go way down.
Slayton didn't get the number of targets a traditional WR got. The Giants didn't have a number one receiver in the traditional sense.
Like I noted above 79 targets was the lowest of any top targeted player in the league. He got as many shots as the 2nd guy on most teams.
So question still remains then -- let's say Hyatt is the number two next year, what does a good season for him look like numbers wise?
900+ yards and somewhere around 8 TDs.
Now I understand you may think that out of the question with our QB situation. And thats a fair point.
I just want to see some consistencies from both QB and WR. I will not make any excuses for Jones, but we havent had a really consistent WR since Beckham in 2016.
900+ yards and somewhere around 8 TDs.
There were only 6 number 2 WRs who even went over 800 yards last year, and only 1 had went 900YDS/8TD -- Devonta Smith.
An 900/8TD season would make Hyatt a 1B type receiver like Waddle, Smith, or Godwin. He'd be on the short list of best number 2 receivers in the league.
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if he is our number 2.
900+ yards and somewhere around 8 TDs.
There were only 6 number 2 WRs who even went over 800 yards last year, and only 1 had went 900YDS/8TD -- Devonta Smith.
An 900/8TD season would make Hyatt a 1B type receiver like Waddle, Smith, or Godwin. He'd be on the short list of best number 2 receivers in the league.
jmo but i think that's possible. i think his game against the pats was the first time a NYG wr had that many chunk plays in 1 game since OBJ, and as there were in most games last year i recall a few were left on the field.
hyatt's upside is imo the best argument against extending slayton. the first catch he makes on this highlight is something we havent seen since OBJ and it's not even a true deep ball. he basically retired JC Jackson on the 3rd down catch and run.
Jalin Hyatt Week 12 | Every Target and Catch vs New England Patriots | 2023 NFL Highlights - ( New Window )
This debate is a lot more intellectual sound if it's posed as I want and/or believe Hyatt can progress to being one of the best no. 2 targets in the league.
Which is materially different than There are a 100 Slayton's and he'd be a number four on any other team.
There simply aren't many number two targets running up 700+ yards, and even fewer doing so on 80 targets.
This debate is a lot more intellectual sound if it's posed as I want and/or believe Hyatt can progress to being one of the best no. 2 targets in the league.
Which is materially different than There are a 100 Slayton's and he'd be a number four on any other team.
There simply aren't many number two targets running up 700+ yards, and even fewer doing so on 80 targets.
correct - and i think it's possible to buy both at same time:
Hyatt's upside is high but uncertain,
Slayton on a slightly under market contract is good depth and a positive value asset.
If the best case is hyatt explodes and plays so well there are less targets for Slayton. That's the big win.
If hyatt only replaces slayton's production that's a win and now slayton is a trade asset.
If hyatt doesnt replace or gets hurt and Slayton remains a capable #2 at a fair price or slightly under MV, that's also a win.
The only lose/lose situation is if hyatt busts and slayton regresses. Which would seem to be less likely than the combined odds of the other scenarios.
He was clearly our number 1 WR.
13th in passing yards ~3900 yards
10th in passing TDs 25
With the top pass catchers:
Olive 138 Tgts/1124 Yds
Shaheed 75/719
Kamera 86/466
Thomas 64/448
If the Giants got 2800 yards out of Nabers, Slayton, Hyatt, and Robinson and 1100 yards out of the long tail of backs and TEs -- that would be a big step forward.
He was clearly our number 1 WR.
No one is debating he had the most targets. But the Giants distributed the ball, and ran an offense of targets by committee.
The passing game wasn't designed around him. He was 70th in targets in the NFL last year. As I pointed out above, he only had one more target than Robinson and he averaged fewer targets per game than Waller.
Among the team leads of most targets, he was tied for fewest in the NFL. They simply weren't looking to him to be a volume guy like the common conception of a number one is.
he saw what similar others got in UFA this year (specifically Gabe Davis, Darnell Mooney) and he wants to strike while iron is hot off his best year.
he says he wants to remain a giant and they dont want to move him, so it seems like both sides are incentivized to see if there's something that works for both sides to tack on 1 more guaranteed year.
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Slayton was our number two last year.
He was clearly our number 1 WR.
No one is debating he had the most targets. But the Giants distributed the ball, and ran an offense of targets by committee.
The passing game wasn't designed around him. He was 70th in targets in the NFL last year. As I pointed out above, he only had one more target than Robinson and he averaged fewer targets per game than Waller.
Among the team leads of most targets, he was tied for fewest in the NFL. They simply weren't looking to him to be a volume guy like the common conception of a number one is.
Yeah when you have a receiving core like ours, there is no #1 wr. It's like a wr by committee.
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for Slayton.
he saw what similar others got in UFA this year (specifically Gabe Davis, Darnell Mooney) and he wants to strike while iron is hot off his best year.
he says he wants to remain a giant and they dont want to move him, so it seems like both sides are incentivized to see if there's something that works for both sides to tack on 1 more guaranteed year.
Davis and Mooney were also very overpaid. If you expect that he is your WR4 (WR3 if someone is nicked up which happens more frequently) that type of money will put you in cap hell. You can find WR3/4 types in the draft or as UDFA. Rams were looking at Puka in that role before he just exploded. Van Jefferson was originally supposed to be the guy. Cincy made no effort to resign Boyd because they have Chase and Higgins as their first two and really like the Princeton kid (because I am not even attempting to spell his name).
wandale and hyatt are both smaller, less proven, and in wandale's case he had 1 major injury.
the benefit of having so many WRs on their rookie deals is that it may afford the luxury of paying a #2 Wr like slayton even if he gets passed on the depth chart.
And if he does, if the deal is good enough you can trade him because FA is showing us that to get WRs you have to dramatically overpay (like mooney, like davis).
@art_stapleton
Been seeing and hearing a lot of sentiment on here about extending Darius Slayton, and I understand the emotion and, to some extent, the practicality. The guy is durable and productive, especially in contrast to the rest of the offense to this point.
But to what degree when you, in theory, want your top 3 WR to be Nabers, Hyatt and Wan'Dale in slot.
Can you find a meaningful enough role for Slayton that makes financial commitment sense as well in an offense that, right now, doesn't necessarily project as an air-it-out offense?
@art_stapleton
Been seeing and hearing a lot of sentiment on here about extending Darius Slayton, and I understand the emotion and, to some extent, the practicality. The guy is durable and productive, especially in contrast to the rest of the offense to this point.
But to what degree when you, in theory, want your top 3 WR to be Nabers, Hyatt and Wan'Dale in slot.
Can you find a meaningful enough role for Slayton that makes financial commitment sense as well in an offense that, right now, doesn't necessarily project as an air-it-out offense?
I submit to you the 2021 bills. their 4th WR gabe davis still got 63 targets.
diggs = nabers (id guess nabers ends up under 164)
beasley = wandale (again, id guess wandale ends up lower)
sanders & davis = hyatt / slayton
knox is probably higher than any NYG TE will get also assuming waller retires.
When you're talking about the other WRs, you're talking projection. When you're talking Slayton, it's receipts. He sets a floor that if you get him 80 targets, he'll get you 700 yards.
We all hope Robinson becomes a much more productive player, we all hope Hyatt can crack into the rotation more. But that's hope.
I think it's worth the risk of letting Slayton play out his contract, see how the other guys develop, and hope Slayton nets you a comp pick after the year. But I won't be surprised at all if Slayton ends up second in targets and yards behind Nabers.
Why would they give him more money if they’re not extending him?
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Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
Been seeing and hearing a lot of sentiment on here about extending Darius Slayton, and I understand the emotion and, to some extent, the practicality. The guy is durable and productive, especially in contrast to the rest of the offense to this point.
But to what degree when you, in theory, want your top 3 WR to be Nabers, Hyatt and Wan'Dale in slot.
Can you find a meaningful enough role for Slayton that makes financial commitment sense as well in an offense that, right now, doesn't necessarily project as an air-it-out offense?
I submit to you the 2021 bills. their 4th WR gabe davis still got 63 targets.
diggs = nabers (id guess nabers ends up under 164)
beasley = wandale (again, id guess wandale ends up lower)
sanders & davis = hyatt / slayton
knox is probably higher than any NYG TE will get also assuming waller retires.
Josh Allen had 646 pass attempts in 2021 (4th most in the NFL that year). More passes - more targets to go around. Daniel Jones's highest attempt total any year was 471.
Josh Allen had 646 pass attempts in 2021 (4th most in the NFL that year). More passes - more targets to go around. Daniel Jones's highest attempt total any year was 471.
last year the NYG attempted 518 passes as a team. in 2022 it was 520 passes and 520 runs. true 50/50 split.
i think the point of letting barkley go, and having invested in WRs the way they have, is to try to make the offense a 600+ attempt offense.
they tried it last year with barkley but waller got hurt, campbell sucked, and robinson was still getting into form from surgery. obviously the OL imploded too. 2024 appears to be take 2 and they chose the QB room they have. between jones, lock, and devito either they will find someone who can run the offense how they want it run or there will be someone new running the offense in 2025.
their other 3 guys are on rookie scale. they are paying slayton 6m already. a slight raise to get an extra year is a luxury they can afford.
if the other 3 guys step up and slayton doesnt get a ton of targets that would be a GREAT problem to have. i would sign for that right now.