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A few thoughts around the NFC East

George from PA : 5/2/2024 8:45 am
The 1st step to any successful season starts with winning one's division.

Any improvement must be measured by the improvement of the other teams.

The Eagles, Commanders and Giants were all busy in FA. The Cowboys approach seemed odd, they won't be winning this off season..

Draft grades are silly, especially those that give lower grades because their guys weren't picked....but relativity does matter.

They all did well in the draft and their keys imo:
Commanders: it's all about the QB
Eagles: the DBs..and 3 extra picks in 2025!
Cowboys: the OL
NYG: the DBs. The QBs will be compared forever....the WR?

Now about Nabers and Burns.

We usually measure "holes filled", but not to what degree of impact.

I would argue, Nabers and Burns are the best offensive and defensive players added to any team in the division this off-season.

Their impact improves the Giants more. How much is still TBD....but I think it will make major steps forward on both sides of the ball...the remaining questions of the OL developing and whoever is the QB delivering will tell the story. I also give the Giants one other advantage, coaching within the division.

The Commanders feels like a new franchise, with the amount of turnover. They will be better, but it should take some time.

The Cowboys seem to have fallen back, but who knows. I can always hope for a major implosion.

The Eagles just piss me off....they need DBs, the top guys fall in their lap. Cap doesn't seem to affect them....and they work the draft better. They know more draft picks are a competitive advantage.
The question I have....is what caused their collapse last year and was it resolved.

I do not have the gloom and doom. I always try to find a path....

Granted, everyone has a plan until you get smacked in the face. Last year, came early with the 40-0 Dallas beating and the season ended with Thomas hamstring. They were not ready to compete.

The Giants must be ready for game 1!

Go Giants!


Until NYG gets better at QB  
Chris684 : 5/2/2024 9:05 am : link
The "success" model will have to look like 2022. Maybe a slightly improved version given the fact that the roster overall looks improved. I would take a 2022-ish season with a better showing in the division. That would be another step forward while we still try to solve the QB dilemma.
Good Assessment  
lugnut : 5/2/2024 9:09 am : link
I think we plussed ourselves up solidly between FA and Draft. We will be better (even if Jones is QB). Dallas seems to be treading water(?) They tended to their OL but I wonder if Quinn’s departure will be a net loss? (BTW, I think I’m the only one who thinks he was a good get for the Commanders.) About them… I think they killed the Draft - like, the best of anyone - but I think it may take a bit to pull all that together, esp w/ a new staff. I don’t discount the possibility of them getting Daniels killed by rushing things.
Great post George...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/2/2024 9:10 am : link
...doom and gloom are self-inflicted.
Oh  
lugnut : 5/2/2024 9:10 am : link
And I literally can’t even talk about the Eagles.
the Commanders  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/2/2024 9:26 am : link
will be fascinating. They completely transformed their team.
the HCs  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/2/2024 9:27 am : link
for the Cowboys and Eagles feel like dead men walking to me.
The thing that struck me most about the Eagles at the end of last seas  
JoeFootball : 5/2/2024 9:47 am : link
how fast their offensive and defensive lines fell off. I know they've dominated us there for a decade but the tide is turning, they didn't replace Isaac Seumalo to the same level and now have to fill Kelce's shoes. Our defensive line will give them fits. Dallas is another story, they don't stop replenishing upfront.
The Commanders feels like an expansion team  
George from PA : 5/2/2024 9:52 am : link
McCarthy desk already has Belicheck name plate on it.

And the Eagles implosion definitely feels like it was linked to HC.
RE: The thing that struck me most about the Eagles at the end of last seas  
KeoweeFan : 5/2/2024 9:53 am : link
In comment 16503376 JoeFootball said:
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how fast their offensive and defensive lines fell off. I know they've dominated us there for a decade but the tide is turning, they didn't replace Isaac Seumalo to the same level and now have to fill Kelce's shoes. Our defensive line will give them fits. Dallas is another story, they don't stop replenishing upfront.

Another factor is the history in the NFL of how difficult it is for a "successful" team to STAY at the top (for a variety of reasons including complacency.)
Until proven otherwise, Fletcher Cox was my primary concern  
George from PA : 5/2/2024 9:54 am : link
Against the Eagles.
I think you can only worry about your own team  
Rudy5757 : 5/2/2024 10:02 am : link
When building a roster. I think the Giants are doing that. I’m glad they didn’t reach for a QB. The way to get better in the NFL is to add elite talent at certain positions. The Giants had elite talent at LT and DT, not positions that generally win games. They added Edge and WR this year, positions that have more impact on games generally.

Nabers will have a big impact on the rest of the O if he is the player we expect. DCs have to account for him on every play, opening up running lanes and allowing the other WRs more opportunities. On D, the combination of Burns, Dex and hopefully an improved Thibs should be a handful. Looks like we are going big at the spot opposite Dex so we should be more stout. There is a hole at CB but maybe the coaches can coach up the kids or a vet is added.

Wash is going to go through some growing pains. They may see some late season success. Is Daniel’s the guy? Is their OL good enough to help this kid?

Dallas is interesting. They lost a lot and added nothing but the draft. I’d say they are not as good.

Philly is a question mark to me. They lost some high quality aging vets and also collapsed down the stretch. Everyone has loved their drafts the last 3 seasons but the on field play of those players has been a mixed bag. The success of the previous OC and DC lead me to believe that the coach is the problem in Philly and Hurts hasn’t been the same player since his injury in 2022. I still think Philly is in decline.

If the Giants OL has finally been stabilized, we will see a very competitive Giants team in 2024. Im think Jones is better than a lot of people give him credit for, I just hope that he is not a head case with all of the pressure and sacks he got last season. If healthy, I think the Giants are a playoff team.
Team is now restructured  
Thegratefulhead : 5/2/2024 10:06 am : link
When Daboll & Schoen started there was won this entire board agreed on.

DG was a poor GM and the roster was the bottom of the league with entire units completely dysfunctional(OL&WR)

True, yes?

I am sure we can find it on BBI, we all said have patience with the new HC because the TEAM sucks.

Fair?

Everything went our way at the start of 2022, came out rolling 7s

We exceeded expectations by significant margin in 2022.

Reasonable?

2023 We all had much higher expectations(even some Jones critics)

We rolled nothing but craps for 5 games to start the season and never recovered(injuries, bounces, calls, all craps)

Fair right?

The season was over before we had had a chance to begin.

Not crazy

Most of us , maybe even ALL of us were OK with drafting a new QB this year.

There is no DJFC

There are only people that get REALLY mad when the people that manage the team do not do the way they feel they should. I get it we have been losing.

This team had seasons, one where they wildly exceeded everyone’s expectations and made a gourmet meal out of leftovers.

Another season, where when we think about it, we failed to meet expectations that were actually too high for the talent on the team. We then failed to meet those inaccurate, higher expectations when real adversity hit during the most difficult portion of the schedule.

I am excited for part 3.

I don’t know what is going to happen.

Hopeful.
RE: the HCs  
Dnew15 : 5/2/2024 10:15 am : link
In comment 16503351 Eric from BBI said:
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for the Cowboys and Eagles feel like dead men walking to me.


Agreed.

The Eagles collapse last season was unprecedented and this year they lost their vet leader on both sides of the ball (Cox and Kelce) - they should be a fascinating team to watch.

The Cowboys seem to be stuck in regular season champions mode. Will Dak every lead them to any amount of playoff success?

Giants have really stepped up their game when they play Philly, good to see that under Daboll. The Cowboys still own the Giants - that has to be a priority.
Grateful...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/2/2024 10:20 am : link
...Spot-On!
DAL will be interesting  
logman : 5/2/2024 10:21 am : link
Kinda feels like their window is closing again.

Washington is building from scratch  
larryflower37 : 5/2/2024 10:34 am : link
It's going to take a minute to pull it all together if they ever do.
They have issues at the O-line and all over the defense.
Hopefully Bobby Johnson keeps up the work that he performed with the Giants. Kingsbury and Quinn are a weird combo
Washington post draft report /depth cart athletic - ( New Window )
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/2/2024 10:56 am : link
I think we’re the worst team in the division.
At the very least  
Keaton028 : 5/2/2024 11:18 am : link
we very possibly have the worst QB situation in the division. As Chris said, until that is fixed, I don’t see a path out of the NFC East basement. Maybe Jayden Daniels will bust. Maybe our defense will carry us. I won’t be completely pessimistic, as anything can happen. But until the QB situation is fixed, we will not be perennial contenders.
I don't know if the Cowboys got worse.  
barens : 5/2/2024 11:34 am : link
They probably had the most stacked roster last year, they lost a few players, didn't sign anyone of note, but they get Diggs back at corner. I'd say their offensive line can be exploited, but they always seem to hit on drafting OL.
RE: Washington is building from scratch  
Dr. D : 5/2/2024 11:54 am : link
In comment 16503456 larryflower37 said:
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It's going to take a minute to pull it all together if they ever do.
They have issues at the O-line and all over the defense.
Hopefully Bobby Johnson keeps up the work that he performed with the Giants. Kingsbury and Quinn are a weird combo Washington post draft report /depth cart athletic - ( New Window )

I can't believe another team thought Bobby Johnson did a good job last yr. I expect their OL to suck. Daniels might have a rough yr.
I disagree that a successful season has to  
Section331 : 5/2/2024 11:57 am : link
include a division title. Baby steps. Be competitive first. We won 6 games last year, you wouldn’t consider 10 wins and a WC berth a successful season?

As a longer term goal, yes, the FO should be graded on competing for the NFCE title, but as a near-term goal, being in the WC race is a good start.
I still have a lot of respect/fear for Philly  
djm : 5/2/2024 12:51 pm : link
but make no mistake they most definitely did collapse last season. Their collapse was worse than the 2008 Giants and that 09 NYG team still struggled to an 8-8 record. Those issues didn't go away until 2010 and 2011 and even then those Giants teams weren't as dominant as the 05-08 teams.

Not saying Philly goes 8-9 or 9-8 but until they prove to themselves they are closer to first half 2023 then second half, their might he some self doubt in Philly. I mean the Giants beat them up late in the year. That was real and it wasn't like half the team was on IR. Maybe there were some unheralded injuries or maybe there weren't any, but that team was flat out bad down the stretch. Adding a corner in round 1 doesn't change things. THe team needs to find its identity again. IF they don't, expect an up and down year.

Dallas to me is still a safe bet for 10-12 wins. They had one odd weird and wonderfully awful showing in January but all in all that team was quite consistent throughout the season.

Washington who the hell knows. Even if they are good, NYG will probably beat them at least once.
Hurts has lived a charmed life  
djm : 5/2/2024 12:55 pm : link
he's earned every bit of praise but he could be one of those many QBs that was well insulated while being quite productive but once the system started to break down, he started to break down. The evidence second half of 2023 was over whelming --the guy wasn't very good anymore.

Barkley is the biggest key in the NFC East. If he's the 2022 version in Philly that takes a ton of pressure off Hurts and makes everyone's job easier. If someone steps on an ankle or a hammy goes snap the Eagles will have to find a way to dig out from under what the devolved into without a star RB.
RE: the Commanders  
4xchamps : 5/2/2024 5:47 pm : link
In comment 16503349 Eric from BBI said:
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will be fascinating. They completely transformed their team.


Yes they have but with o many older vets. We'll see what happens...
RE: the HCs  
section125 : 5/2/2024 5:58 pm : link
In comment 16503351 Eric from BBI said:
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for the Cowboys and Eagles feel like dead men walking to me.


There was a reason the Eagles imploded after mid-season last year and it wasn't Jalen Hurts...

McCarthy should have been fired two year ago.
Talk of the Eagles' demise  
RomanWH : 5/2/2024 6:51 pm : link
might be a bit premature. Yes, they faltered down the stretch last year but much of that had to do with horrible playcalling on both sides of the ball. Everyone in the stadium & at home watching knew when they called for either the WR screen or QB draw. They didn't run the ball enough with Swift/Scott/Penny/Gainwell. You take their talented roster and go from Brian Johnson & Sean Desai to Kellen Moore & Vic Fangio... you're bound to see some improvement.
odd that a pair of to be fired  
BigBlueCane : 5/2/2024 6:58 pm : link
head coaches have blasted the Giants repeatedly. Meanwhile the best coach in the division is hoping and praying to be .500.
So you think Daboll is hoping to finish .500?  
George from PA : 5/2/2024 7:14 pm : link
I suspect, Daboll is working hard to exceed that....I just saw 135 pictures of young men working their butt off....with higher expectations.

The are Giants are 2 year removed from making the playoffs and winning the 1at playoff game.

This roster is substantially better

No team have all the answers

I just do not get fans....even if you think the Giants are the most hopeless team in the league (The Panthers)...they are all 0-0 and no team has a free ride to the playoff.
Shocking thar the Eagles didn't fire Siriani  
Jerry in_DC : 5/2/2024 9:02 pm : link
They way they played down the stretch and in the playoffs was a joke. It's possible that they recover, but why take the chance? They'll still be top 2 though. Dallas should remain a juggernaut in the regular season.

As for the 2 perennial also-rans....does it really matter? WFT fans will be excited for the season and for the 1st time in over 25 years, I'll actually be envious of them.
To me Sirianni  
Toth029 : 5/3/2024 9:53 am : link
Is a walking time bomb but the team itself has problems. Hurts regressed as a passer and losing Shane Steichen was a major loss. Remember that Adoree Jackson pick six? He's grateful he has the most expensive WR room in the league and two really good bookend tackles. Lost Kelce, how much of a loss will he be?

Defensively their linebackers didn't improve at all to me. Their interior is worse by losing Cox and Jordan Davis has to prove he's worth keeping. Their edge guys have a lot to prove themselves - Huff was situational with NYJ and their also lost Reddick. Graham is older. Nolan Smith is very unproven. Milton Williams was close to being shown the door if anybody wanted him. They have a front that was gashed and does anybody have an answer to their fix? The DB room got younger with Mitchell and DeJean but their old guys were bad last year and will very likely start. They didn't have any impactful safety play. Guess we'll see, but like the Giants, Commanders and Cowboys, they all have big question marks to me.

Commanders themselves need to hope they picked the right QB and surround him with good line play. Not there now. Defensively they have great IDL and LB's with Wagner on his last legs and Frankie Luvu. But the rest? Eh, not overly impressed.
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