Josh Norris and Hayden Winks of Underdog Fantasy continue their 2024 NFL Draft coverage with Malik Nabers from LSU. What are Nabers' strengths, weaknesses, and potential fits in the NFL? Does he deserve to be in the Odell Beckham Jr. and Ja'Marr Chase conversation? Can he score without slot fades?
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think we are going to see a much more spread out base attack this year. did they finally get ol right is the question?
think we are going to see a much more spread out base attack this year. did they finally get ol right is the question?
There was a really good discussion on BBKL today with Schmeelk and Dottino discussing something that I also believe... at least early in the season, we're going to see a ton of quick passing game. To keep the pressure off an OL that will still be in its infancy in terms of gaining cohesion. Plus, it they have the ability to do with with Nabers, Robinson, Singletary/Tracy.
I also think this is what Daboll and Kafka were trying to do early in 2022 before they realized the WRs were awful (Toney, Golladay, Shepard getting hurt again). In that preseason, we saw a ton of short passing game and it worked.
In comment 16505797 Eric from BBI said:
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id imagine thats part of what they were thinking with wandale, waller, hyatt too.
think we are going to see a much more spread out base attack this year. did they finally get ol right is the question?
There was a really good discussion on BBKL today with Schmeelk and Dottino discussing something that I also believe... at least early in the season, we're going to see a ton of quick passing game. To keep the pressure off an OL that will still be in its infancy in terms of gaining cohesion. Plus, it they have the ability to do with with Nabers, Robinson, Singletary/Tracy.
I also think this is what Daboll and Kafka were trying to do early in 2022 before they realized the WRs were awful (Toney, Golladay, Shepard getting hurt again). In that preseason, we saw a ton of short passing game and it worked.
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id imagine thats part of what they were thinking with wandale, waller, hyatt too.
think we are going to see a much more spread out base attack this year. did they finally get ol right is the question?
There was a really good discussion on BBKL today with Schmeelk and Dottino discussing something that I also believe... at least early in the season, we're going to see a ton of quick passing game. To keep the pressure off an OL that will still be in its infancy in terms of gaining cohesion. Plus, it they have the ability to do with with Nabers, Robinson, Singletary/Tracy.
I also think this is what Daboll and Kafka were trying to do early in 2022 before they realized the WRs were awful (Toney, Golladay, Shepard getting hurt again). In that preseason, we saw a ton of short passing game and it worked.
totally agree. lost in how much we all know jones has shortcomings is the fact that he is a 64.5% career passer. even in the 6 games last year he was 67.5%, which was actually a bit higher than his 67.2% in 2022. his completion% over expected is usually positive. up until last year his int% had gotten better each year.
so with explosive receivers like nabers, hyatt, wandale i think the obvious move early in the year is to get them involved often in short passing game. those guys in the catch/run is where you make up the lost big plays from barkley - and that kind of offense is probably scarier/harder for a defense to defend than an offense that's handing the ball off to it's biggest threat. it's got to be a lot easier to key on barkley in the backfield pre-play than the unknown of nabers/wandale/hyatt spread out across a formation.
Expect that route will become a big part of the Giants offense.
Have you seen Nabar’s college tape. DBs had to sit 10 yards off of him or he’d blow right past them. So if teams play press man, he’s too quick and will beat you off the line and go long. If you play off, he’ll quick slant you to death. There is no easy answer to defending against him, which is why he was the #6 pick in the draft.
Once you spread out a defense a bit and not just with underneath stuff you can find ways to attack defenses more vertically with the dagger in the heart drives.
Once you spread out a defense a bit and not just with underneath stuff you can find ways to attack defenses more vertically with the dagger in the heart drives.
Yeah, glad you noticed that too. That's the most emotion I've ever seen from Kafka.
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Excitement in the draft room at the pick kind of said it all. That said it all looks good on paper. Have to do it on the field and need QB play to par. But the talent level at receiver looks like a good blend to mix we have not seen here in over a decade and finally really attack defenses with a diverse passing game which is a hallmark of Dabolls offensive desires.
Once you spread out a defense a bit and not just with underneath stuff you can find ways to attack defenses more vertically with the dagger in the heart drives.
Yeah, glad you noticed that too. That's the most emotion I've ever seen from Kafka.
Haha. Yes me and two other people watching the draft with me were like, whoa!
Playcalling issues aside last year, Kafka has a strong background schooled in Reid’s system. He understands play design and using playmakers.
I’m a bit of a negative nellie on many things and many teams I root for lately but I think people are overplaying the Barkley loss a bit too much. This is the most excited I’ve been ahead of time to see a Giants offense in years. All we need is slightly around average OL play to just see some real juice squeezing going on.
I don’t even know what to expect from Theo Johnson much but I’m expecting Bellinger to at least bounce back a little bit more too. Just hoping this Waller situation is made final soon in next month.
I try hard not to stoop to name calling, but you are a true asshole. Hopefully whatever perverse pleasure you get from posting makes you a better person in the real world.
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In comment 16505792 Eric on Li said:
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id imagine thats part of what they were thinking with wandale, waller, hyatt too.
think we are going to see a much more spread out base attack this year. did they finally get ol right is the question?
There was a really good discussion on BBKL today with Schmeelk and Dottino discussing something that I also believe... at least early in the season, we're going to see a ton of quick passing game. To keep the pressure off an OL that will still be in its infancy in terms of gaining cohesion. Plus, it they have the ability to do with with Nabers, Robinson, Singletary/Tracy.
I also think this is what Daboll and Kafka were trying to do early in 2022 before they realized the WRs were awful (Toney, Golladay, Shepard getting hurt again). In that preseason, we saw a ton of short passing game and it worked.
It must suck to live your life, negative at every turn. Even in the midst of a conversation talking about the possibilities of something going our way, here comes Mr Negative.
The RBBC will have more room as they can't have 8 on the line
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In comment 16505855 Sammo85 said:
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Excitement in the draft room at the pick kind of said it all. That said it all looks good on paper. Have to do it on the field and need QB play to par. But the talent level at receiver looks like a good blend to mix we have not seen here in over a decade and finally really attack defenses with a diverse passing game which is a hallmark of Dabolls offensive desires.
Once you spread out a defense a bit and not just with underneath stuff you can find ways to attack defenses more vertically with the dagger in the heart drives.
Yeah, glad you noticed that too. That's the most emotion I've ever seen from Kafka.
Haha. Yes me and two other people watching the draft with me were like, whoa!
Playcalling issues aside last year, Kafka has a strong background schooled in Reid’s system. He understands play design and using playmakers.
I’m a bit of a negative nellie on many things and many teams I root for lately but I think people are overplaying the Barkley loss a bit too much. This is the most excited I’ve been ahead of time to see a Giants offense in years. All we need is slightly around average OL play to just see some real juice squeezing going on.
I don’t even know what to expect from Theo Johnson much but I’m expecting Bellinger to at least bounce back a little bit more too. Just hoping this Waller situation is made final soon in next month.
who are you and what have you done with sammo ;)
id bet a lot waller is done here no matter what. i think nyg are just trying to ensure they dont get hit with an injury grievance.
they just used the word "dawg" like 1000x describing the guys they added in draft. waller wasnt that before he was contemplating retirement. they have 2 drafted TEs and 2 others they signed in FA. Waller is done here.
think we are going to see a much more spread out base attack this year. did they finally get ol right is the question?
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id imagine thats part of what they were thinking with wandale, waller, hyatt too.
think we are going to see a much more spread out base attack this year. did they finally get ol right is the question?
That with a 5 yard in on the outside was a staple of Steve Spurrier's Florida offense. Also a staple of my old flag football team!
your flag football team was in good company. i won a madden tournament circa 2004 running trips/mesh with randy moss from the slot on corner routes. it was unstoppable.
also popular with mcvay/his disciples these days. i honestly think a lot of the innovation in the nfl today comes from the madden generation logging thousands of hours of game situations/simulations.
Giants made the right decision if they didn't think any of the 3 QBS were franchise guys.
If Nabers can produce as a rookie like those guys things for the Giants can better very quickly.
If Nabers can produce as a rookie like those guys things for the Giants can better very quickly.
OBJ was so smooth, effortless, and sudden I agree. Even Jamarr chase hasnt been better than OBJ those first few years. jefferson may be better than OBJ because the ball skills and route running are so elite.
I think nabers checks every box chase did though. ill take chase part 2 any day.
If Nabers can produce as a rookie like those guys things for the Giants can better very quickly.
Just to clarify, I said Nabers was better coming out of college. I can only hope he comes close to OBJ's impact and stats 1st 3 years.
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I hope so. The only WR I have ever seen have a better first 3 years than OBJ was Randy Moss.
If Nabers can produce as a rookie like those guys things for the Giants can better very quickly.
OBJ was so smooth, effortless, and sudden I agree. Even Jamarr chase hasnt been better than OBJ those first few years. jefferson may be better than OBJ because the ball skills and route running are so elite.
I think nabers checks every box chase did though. ill take chase part 2 any day.
I see Nabers' potential as a hybrid of Chase and Jefferson. Chase didn't have the same ability to make breaks without losing speed, it makes Nabers potential for route running and RAC a notch above Chase. Jefferson has that same ability to jab step without losing speed like Nabers.
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I hope so. The only WR I have ever seen have a better first 3 years than OBJ was Randy Moss.
If Nabers can produce as a rookie like those guys things for the Giants can better very quickly.
Just to clarify, I said Nabers was better coming out of college. I can only hope he comes close to OBJ's impact and stats 1st 3 years.
Hard to compare having Eli vs DJ. The only receivers that have came straight from CFB to the NFL and dominated had really good QBs. I'd say 850-1050 yards and 3-7tds is a good estimate for Nabers' rookie production.
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In comment 16505855 Sammo85 said:
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Excitement in the draft room at the pick kind of said it all. That said it all looks good on paper. Have to do it on the field and need QB play to par. But the talent level at receiver looks like a good blend to mix we have not seen here in over a decade and finally really attack defenses with a diverse passing game which is a hallmark of Dabolls offensive desires.
Once you spread out a defense a bit and not just with underneath stuff you can find ways to attack defenses more vertically with the dagger in the heart drives.
Yeah, glad you noticed that too. That's the most emotion I've ever seen from Kafka.
Haha. Yes me and two other people watching the draft with me were like, whoa!
Playcalling issues aside last year, Kafka has a strong background schooled in Reid’s system. He understands play design and using playmakers.
I’m a bit of a negative nellie on many things and many teams I root for lately but I think people are overplaying the Barkley loss a bit too much. This is the most excited I’ve been ahead of time to see a Giants offense in years. All we need is slightly around average OL play to just see some real juice squeezing going on.
I don’t even know what to expect from Theo Johnson much but I’m expecting Bellinger to at least bounce back a little bit more too. Just hoping this Waller situation is made final soon in next month.
Don’t you see what you're doing? The same thing you accuse of Barkley being overplayed others are doing about Barkley, you are doing
1-- How good do you think the OL will be? Don’t address that they "will be better" (because anything is better) but overall how good will they be?
2-- How good do you think the QB is? He is subpar overall, right? He will play better (he couldn’t do worse,) this year- but overall how good outthink eh is? He is a Suba[r QB.
3-- How about the RB's? They are subpar.
How about the Tight Ends? They are subpar to poor.
And yet you say "You are EXCITED? This is what I mean that i have said for last few years that Fans on here have been so beaten down - you are doing the same thing here- EXCITED that mediocrity is coming.
The more mediocre the Giants are, the harder it will be to get a top QB in the draft. And the more the more the dB isn't that good, the better the OL needs to be. And how good is this OL expected to be overall?
In addition to doing Giants related stuff, he does the same for the Detroit Lions. He likened Nabers to the Lions Amon-Ra St. Brown. Opponents fear him and game plan o above all make sure they stop him. The Lions, to counter that move him all around, which is very effective.
He also spoke very highly of the Giants' 4th round pick, Theo Johnson likening him to George Kittle. (I was surprised that he didn't mention the Lion's excellent tight end, Sam La Porta)