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Sy'56's game review snippets on CB Tre Hawkins

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/4/2024 11:24 am
Preseason versus the Lions

First rounder Deonte Banks and sixth rounder Tre Hawkins got the starting nods on the outside. Take where they were selected out, and it was hard to see who the better player was. Hawkins really has started on the right foot and Banks showed the speed traits we know this team was hot after draft weekend. In this man-heavy scheme, both looked at home. Banks can clean up his ball location and Hawkins was a late to anticipate routes (more so in zone), but a very positive first look for both.

Preseason versus the Panthers

Rookies Deonte Banks and Tre Hawkins continue to start on the outside and the 6th rounder from Old Dominion continues to play like the better player. Even Joe Schoen sounds surprised by how well he is playing this early on. The speed he is playing with, the run-game assignments he is executing at a high level, and the easy vertical burst at his size are all major attributes for this scheme.

Preseason versus the Jets

Some NYG fans are excited about the future of the first rounder Deonte Banks and the surprise of camp, Tre Hawkins. Perhaps they will be cornerstone players down the road. 2023? The fact they are so easily put into starting roles should easily tell us something about the position group as a whole.

REGULAR-SEASON GAMES WITH SIGNIFICANT SNAPS ON DEFENSE:

Cowboys

For the first time since 2008, a team opened week one with two rookies starting at outside corner. How did Deonte Banks and Tre Hawkins fare in their debuts? They were the two players on the defense that were flagged. Hawkins twice, one of which was a pass interference on a 3rd-and-12 stop that resulted in a 37-yard gain for the Dallas offense. He did finish with 7 tackles and showed a physical brand, which will be a difference maker, but his coverage looked grabby and unsure. Banks looked crisper and more confident with his technique and ability to read routes, but left the game early with cramps.

Cardinals

Rookie Tre Hawkins was not involved much on his 40 snaps. He came up with an impressive deep ball pass break up where he stayed on top of the assignment and was inches away from the interception. He, too, missed a tackle and he also made a bad read on the Marquis Brown short touchdown catch. He looked hesitant and unsure, and like Banks, the game is too fast for that. He was taken off the field on their two-corner looks, where Jackson went back to the outside.

49ers

Another rough night for the rookie corners. Deonte Banks suffered an arm injury and at the time of this writing, we do not have the MRI results. Tre Hawkins missed 2 (of his 3 on the night) tackles on the same play, something you could go an entire season never seeing. He got flagged for holding and allowed every target in his direction to be completed. He looked lost, unsure, and tight. He may not be the best fit for the number of snaps he is seeing and after three weeks (and as many penalties), it may be worth moving someone else into his starting spot.

Commanders

Adoree’ Jackson missed the game with a neck injury. This opened the door back up for rookie Tre Hawkins, who played a career-high 59 snaps. He and nickel Cor’Dale Flott both played a solid game against Jahan Dotson and Curtis Samuel. The two averaged about 7 yards per catch. Like Banks, these two did an excellent job at minimizing what happened after the catch. They combined for 10 tackles and Hawkins came up with a 3rd-down pass break-up.

Cowboys

Nick McCloud allowed 5 catches on 6 targets, Tre Hawkins allowed a 41-yard touchdown where he struggled to locate the ball, Holmes gave up 128 yards on 8 targets. No matter who the Giants threw out there, it was ugly. And the Dallas first stringers did not even play the entire game.

Commanders

Tre Hawkins struggled, leading the defensive backs in yards allowed, and he was flagged for illegal contact (a questionable call). A big part of the remaining balance of this season will be getting the young guys more and more snaps, Hawkins included. The tough question will be how much and at what expense? McCloud does more for this defense right now.

Eagles

Tre Hawkins allowed a touchdown on a route concept he was way too late to recognize. That was the most glaring issue I saw out of the rookie from Old Dominion, understandably so. The tools are good enough, but the mind has not caught up yet. He did play physical against the run, and I think that is a sneaky-strong ingredient to his game.
We may be in trouble if Hawkins starts  
AustinGiant : 5/4/2024 11:34 am : link
He has all the physical traits you want but he has yet to show the anticipation or understanding you need to succeed on the outside. Showing my age, but if you go back some years and look at Everson Walls (especially with the 'Boys), you had a corner who wasn't the best athlete but he had the "it." Hawkins hasn't shown "it."
Among all the errors to start last season  
Lambuth_Special : 5/4/2024 11:43 am : link
The whole “Tre Hawkins is a starting corner, trust us!” was the biggest farce. The whole thing seemed like motivational tactic aimed at Adoree and Flott.

Not saying Tre can’t develop, but the idea that a 6th rounder could step into the starting lineup as a rookie was ridiculous.
that was more favorable to hawkins than i expected  
Eric on Li : 5/4/2024 11:48 am : link
he and gray were both fish out of water last year. sometimes that happens to rookies. big year 2. both should need to earn roster spots, and i think there's enough depth at their positions for meaningful competitions in camp to unfold.
Preseason vs regular season  
5BowlsSoon : 5/4/2024 12:04 pm : link
One, he was confident and sure of himself.

The other, he played scared, dazed and confused.

Guess which one for each description? Lol
I still have hope  
5BowlsSoon : 5/4/2024 12:09 pm : link
He can learn and mature.
From  
AcidTest : 5/4/2024 12:15 pm : link
those game reviews, it's clear the game was simply too fast for Hawkins last year. That should hardly be surprising given that he was a sixth-round rookie from a small school. But he made a few plays, works hard, plays physical, and has the size and speed to be a #2 CB. Let's see what happens this year.
Hopefully he plays better  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/4/2024 12:17 pm : link
...he played every bit of a 6th round rookie last year.

But yeah, in preseason he looked great against Daniel Jones in practice, Bryce Young, Zach Wilson and whomever the 2nd and 3rd string Dallas QBs were, LOL.

So let's start him and have Adoree Jackson play slot CB, a position Jackson almost never played before! What could go wrong?!?

Martindale is such an arrogant fool.
Agree with Acid Test.  
DonnieD89 : 5/4/2024 12:32 pm : link
The game was too fast for him. I’m hoping that this year will be different. We will see. Could use a tall lanky boundary CB2. It would be nice if we have a successful Te Banks and Tre Hawkins are the outside corners and Andru Phillips at slot. That would be a great situation.
This one was a head scratcher  
UberAlias : 5/4/2024 12:58 pm : link
He went from a guy who had earned a starting role to someone who was never on the field. Physically, he looks the part. There are guys up and down this roster who could change the outlook of this team based on where they go from here, one way or the other. Tre is one of them.
Wink  
Toth029 : 5/4/2024 1:04 pm : link
And his system did put a lot of stress and responsibility on his corners. Good or bad. He's been successful so he's made it work before. The Giants didn't have the talent for it, though, both up front, at ILB and at corner. Banks is an up and comer, but others are a question mark.

Shane Bowen and his defense blitzes less and relies on the the front four with twists, stunts and the wide nine. A guy like Hawkins has a better chance of performing well in his system but major focus is improving his tackling. 12.5% is too high and Bowen won't settle for that.
don't get fooled  
Giantsfan79 : 5/4/2024 1:35 pm : link
by preseason play
He was covering OUR receivers  
ILGMan : 5/4/2024 1:53 pm : link
against Daniel Jones in practice, not including Wandale. Enough said, right?
RE: He was covering OUR receivers  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/4/2024 1:54 pm : link
In comment 16506147 ILGMan said:
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against Daniel Jones in practice, not including Wandale. Enough said, right?


Enough said? No.
I have high hopes for Hawkins….  
Simms11 : 5/4/2024 3:48 pm : link
Physical corner with some very good athleticism. Played well in pre-season last year, to the point of looking like a starter. Anyway, CB is the absolute hardest position to play in the NFL. There’s not many rookies that come in and excel there, especially those from lower competition. I’m looking at him having a better feel with renewed confidence this year. Hopefully be ones the#2 we’ve been looking for.
RE: I have high hopes for Hawkins….  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/4/2024 3:53 pm : link
In comment 16506245 Simms11 said:
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Physical corner with some very good athleticism. Played well in pre-season last year, to the point of looking like a starter. Anyway, CB is the absolute hardest position to play in the NFL. There’s not many rookies that come in and excel there, especially those from lower competition. I’m looking at him having a better feel with renewed confidence this year. Hopefully be ones the#2 we’ve been looking for.


He looks the part. Tall, well built, fast. He's the guy to pull for to win the job.
Presumably, Jerome Henderson  
Ben in Tampa : 5/4/2024 4:01 pm : link
Maybe the most respected coach on the Giants staff endorsed Hawkins as CB2 last summer.

I think it’d be foolish to ignore that for those that want to write Hawkins off already.
RE: Presumably, Jerome Henderson  
Angel Eyes : 5/4/2024 4:03 pm : link
In comment 16506261 Ben in Tampa said:
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Maybe the most respected coach on the Giants staff endorsed Hawkins as CB2 last summer.

I think it’d be foolish to ignore that for those that want to write Hawkins off already.

Considering Hawkins barely played after the first few games, have the coaches written him off?
RE: RE: Presumably, Jerome Henderson  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/4/2024 4:09 pm : link
In comment 16506264 Angel Eyes said:
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In comment 16506261 Ben in Tampa said:


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Maybe the most respected coach on the Giants staff endorsed Hawkins as CB2 last summer.

I think it’d be foolish to ignore that for those that want to write Hawkins off already.


Considering Hawkins barely played after the first few games, have the coaches written him off?


Except the position coaches didn't when asked about him during the season. That's why I've always recommended fans watch the position coach interviews.
Sounds like the ability is there  
Rudy5757 : 5/4/2024 4:15 pm : link
He needs to study the game more to have his mind catch up with the game. This is a reason why they need a solid vet to teach these kids. Maybe a Patrick Peterson or a Gilmore to show the kids how to be pros.
Here is a decent article by Dunleavy on Hawkins from January 2024  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/4/2024 4:18 pm : link
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Martindale’s advocacy of Hawkins contributed to making him arguably the most-hyped player of training camp, but head coach Brian Daboll praised the rookie’s consistency and assistant general manager Brandon Brown said at the time “nothing has been too big for Tre.”

“Honestly, I don’t know if it was a good or a bad thing. It’s just something that came with my journey,” a reflective Hawkins said when asked how that buzz shaped the lens through which his season is viewed. “I get it, but nobody has higher expectations for me than me. What everyone was seeing then, I saw way before them.”

Before his ugly divorce from the Giants, Martindale attributed Hawkins’ decreased role as the season progressed to other cornerbacks — namely, Cor’Dale Flott — performing better in a meritocracy, but he doubled down on “big things” in Hawkins’ future.

Daboll isn’t giving up on the raw potential he saw, either.

“He’s been a true pro, done a good job in terms of everything we’ve asked him to do, and I look forward to working with him,” Daboll said. “I’m glad we have him.”

Tre Hawkins looking to make good on his Giants potential after quiet rookie season - ( New Window )
Te, Tre  
Pete in MD : 5/4/2024 4:23 pm : link
and Darnay?
Came from an FBS school.  
section125 : 5/4/2024 4:30 pm : link
Lots to learn. Has the physical tools. Just needs to learn the mental part and gain confidence. If he spent a lot of time watching film over the winter, he may be a different guy this summer.
Hawkins has all the physical tools to be a quality CB in the NFL  
DeVito32 : 5/4/2024 4:30 pm : link
But coming from a small school and being the hardest position to play in the NFL there’s going to be major growing pains. Just the quality of players on top of the speed of the game. It’s only been one season. Let’s give him time to develop. He was a late round pick for a reason. Last preseasons hype put much more pressure on him to perform right away as opposed to learning and adjusting to the game.

Wink also did him no favors blitzing so much and having the corners 1 on 1 80% of the time. Bowens defense should help with that.
RE: Here is a decent article by Dunleavy on Hawkins from January 2024  
short lease : 5/4/2024 10:33 pm : link
In comment 16506276 Eric from BBI said:
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Martindale’s advocacy of Hawkins contributed to making him arguably the most-hyped player of training camp, but head coach Brian Daboll praised the rookie’s consistency and assistant general manager Brandon Brown said at the time “nothing has been too big for Tre.”

“Honestly, I don’t know if it was a good or a bad thing. It’s just something that came with my journey,” a reflective Hawkins said when asked how that buzz shaped the lens through which his season is viewed. “I get it, but nobody has higher expectations for me than me. What everyone was seeing then, I saw way before them.”

Before his ugly divorce from the Giants, Martindale attributed Hawkins’ decreased role as the season progressed to other cornerbacks — namely, Cor’Dale Flott — performing better in a meritocracy, but he doubled down on “big things” in Hawkins’ future.

Daboll isn’t giving up on the raw potential he saw, either.

“He’s been a true pro, done a good job in terms of everything we’ve asked him to do, and I look forward to working with him,” Daboll said. “I’m glad we have him.”

Tre Hawkins looking to make good on his Giants potential after quiet rookie season - ( New Window )



“Banks is first-rounder for a reason,” Hawkins said. “He was very poised. He prepared well. He stayed consistent, stayed on routine. He played like a vet this year.”

Sounds like Hawkins was not doing his prep/film work during the week (or not enough of it) and by the time he realized how important it was - the season was over.
short lease  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/4/2024 10:47 pm : link
You're reading way to much into this. Hawkins played at Old Dominion.
Is Hawkins already, an efterthought?  
Matt M. : 5/5/2024 12:47 am : link
He's only in year 2. I know he struggle d a bit last year. But, he has talent and I don't hear/read much about him in any, conversation about a CB2.
What you DIDN’T see  
Dave on the UWS : 5/5/2024 8:22 am : link
in Sy’s game reviews were phrases like “ he didn’t have the speed to keep up” or “he physically couldn’t hold up on the outside”.
That tells me the issues are NOT physical.
They are mental (and confidence) which is VERY understandable considering he came from Old Dominion.

Im betting he has an excellent chance to win the CB2 role, which will leave Bowen with an embarrassment of riches for the slot position.

If the majority of the young players on this team take a step forward, the roster would be a LOT better than people think.
Dave  
DonnieD89 : 5/5/2024 9:35 am : link
Those are my thoughts also. I do also think with the combination of the game, being too fast for him, which is the mental aspect, and the complexity of Wink Martindale’s system, it was quite overwhelming as other posters have commented, Bowen‘s system should be easier to digest him with a second year of experience, he should be able to have a better of adapting. I’m really ruing hard for this kid. If the mental aspect comes to fruition, he can definitely be the CB2 that they are looking for, and do not have to worry about it. For some reason, I just don’t have the confidence in Flott. Maybe it’s just the way he’s built and I’m afraid that he’s going to get beaten down by the bigger wide receivers. We will see!
Don't sleep on Gervarrius  
ColHowPepper : 5/5/2024 10:31 am : link
(:
This is where teams like nyg have to exhibit  
djm : 5/5/2024 3:48 pm : link
Faith and even hope in a young player. I always laugh when fans proclaim a team should always know what they have and if they are hoping or waiting on a young and somewhat unknown player they are foolish. Except that’s not how the real world works. Even the best teams with the deepest rosters have to exhibit blind hopeful faith sometimes. If the guy is showing talent and ability in practice you have yo get him time in the real games even if he’s struggling because sometimes that bad players figures shit out after 1-2 seasons. Sometimes he doesn’t. Oh well. That’s how this shit works. That’s why there are instances where a bad player fails for an entire season or two because sometimes that bad player figures it out. If a team cut bait after 8-16 games every single time a young player struggled that team would suck forever.

Hawkins could be a 7 year starter here or he could be out of the nfl in 2 seasons. That’s just how this game goes. Sometimes a team has to stake a lot on a guy like Hawkins.
I’m sure we all want Hawkins to do well  
ThreePoints : 5/5/2024 4:27 pm : link
But the NFL is a “what have you done for me lately?” league where your play on Sunday is all that really matters.

That’s why I laugh when Eric and others sing the praises of undrafted rookies or late rounders who get high praise from scouts and coaches in the draft process and mini camps. Doesn’t mean much until kickoff on Sunday.
The mental adjustment to the NFL is huge.  
81_Great_Dane : 5/5/2024 8:24 pm : link
Remember, the players in the NFL are a tiny part of one end of a normal distribution/bell curve. The worst of them are super-elite football players. They all have incredible gifts. Some are faster, some are stronger, some have better balance, but all have something. What they don’t all have is the drive, determination, discipline, mental toughness and confidence to succeed at the NFL level. Some have “the curse of the fast horse,” who were so much more physically gifted than their competitors that they never had to learn good habits.

Some learn those habits once they get to the pros and discover that talent isn’t enough anymore. Some never really do.

Fingers crossed that Hawkins’s mental game catches up to his physical talent.
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