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bhill410 : 5/5/2024 8:19 am
At the time the sense I had was that the giants told Wilson that they would likely be drafting a qb so starting was not a guarantee. I think some reported that they told him that Jones would be the starter but their subsequent actions I think rendered that slightly implausible.

Regardless, even assuming Wilson is semi washed up, do you think the giants FO has some remorse over not being more aggressive given how the draft unfolded?
Remorse?  
section125 : 5/5/2024 8:23 am : link
No. We do not even know if he was asked to play with the Giants for certain.

If he was offered a contract and opted to go with the Steelers Schoen probably shrugged and move on.
No.....a wash up Wilson as a back up...is a good option  
George from PA : 5/5/2024 8:31 am : link
Doesn't make him a decent starter.

Seattle did the right thing....Denver did not.

The Giants did the right thing.....as I am not sure Wilson ego would make him a good back up


The Steelers will be looking for a QB soon
It's just like everything else.  
mittenedman : 5/5/2024 8:32 am : link
He was told he was coming in as the backup to DJ. Just like Lock was told. The Giants have been remarkably upfront about DJ being the starter if healthy. Schoen has been remarkably up front about almost everything he says publicly.

There's the tinfoil hat crowd here, then there's the reality of what's going on.
I think his visit was overblown to begin with...  
bLiTz 2k : 5/5/2024 8:36 am : link
The Steelers were always the front runner - He wanted to go to a team that was a QB away from competing in the playoffs.

It was correctly reported he had an "exploratory" meeting with the Giants. It was reported as nothing more than the sides meeting...

The Giants were doing their due diligence, and Russ was doing his should the Steelers meeting fall through.

It was always a long shot - but I love the Giants being open minded and having him see the facility and meet. No harm in it.
Bringing in Wilson  
johnnyb : 5/5/2024 8:52 am : link
would just kick the QB can down the road.
RE: It's just like everything else.  
Snorkels : 5/5/2024 9:31 am : link
In comment 16506587 mittenedman said:
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He was told he was coming in as the backup to DJ. Just like Lock was told. The Giants have been remarkably upfront about DJ being the starter if healthy. Schoen has been remarkably up front about almost everything he says publicly.

There's the tinfoil hat crowd here, then there's the reality of what's going on.


This! And here we go again! You have to figure that by that time the Giants had to have had a pretty good idea that they weren't going to get one of the top QBs in the draft. At the same time you had the mob literally screaming 'THE GIANTS ARE DONE WITH JONES!' In fact, if that was the case Wilson would have made a perfect bridge QB yet they chose not to aggressively go after him. Why? See above!

Meanwhile, it will be interesting to see how the mental gymnastics get this one spun.
Giants had a get out of jail free card and chose not to use it  
HardTruth : 5/5/2024 9:46 am : link
Wilson at 1.2 mil and make him the starter
B
Cut Jones when he eventually passes a physical

Draft McCarthy at 6, no trade up and he is the backup

Wilson at 1.2 would have allowed them to eat Jones cap hit this season and improve at QB . As bad as you think Wilson has been the last 2 years he threw more TDs in 2022 than Jones did and he had 26 TDs last year which would be a career high for Jones.
RE: Giants had a get out of jail free card and chose not to use it  
section125 : 5/5/2024 9:50 am : link
In comment 16506629 HardTruth said:
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Wilson at 1.2 mil and make him the starter
B
Cut Jones when he eventually passes a physical

Draft McCarthy at 6, no trade up and he is the backup

Wilson at 1.2 would have allowed them to eat Jones cap hit this season and improve at QB . As bad as you think Wilson has been the last 2 years he threw more TDs in 2022 than Jones did and he had 26 TDs last year which would be a career high for Jones.


Great story line, but he was never coming to the Giants...
RE: It's just like everything else.  
Milton : 5/5/2024 9:53 am : link
In comment 16506587 mittenedman said:
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He was told he was coming in as the backup to DJ. Just like Lock was told. The Giants have been remarkably upfront about DJ being the starter if healthy. Schoen has been remarkably up front about almost everything he says publicly.

There's the tinfoil hat crowd here, then there's the reality of what's going on.
+1000
RE: Giants had a get out of jail free card and chose not to use it  
bLiTz 2k : 5/5/2024 10:04 am : link
In comment 16506629 HardTruth said:
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Wilson at 1.2 mil and make him the starter
B
Cut Jones when he eventually passes a physical

Draft McCarthy at 6, no trade up and he is the backup

Wilson at 1.2 would have allowed them to eat Jones cap hit this season and improve at QB . As bad as you think Wilson has been the last 2 years he threw more TDs in 2022 than Jones did and he had 26 TDs last year which would be a career high for Jones.


Read my previous post. Some of you think free agency is like Madden, and any team can sign any player.

He wanted the Steelers and the Steelers wanted him. The guy wanted to win now, and so do they.

The Giants "meeting" was a no risk proposition for both sides...feel out interest in case the Steelers deal fell through.

I can't believe anyone thinks it was anything more than that based on what was reported.
He wasnt coming to the Giants because  
HardTruth : 5/5/2024 10:13 am : link
The Giants weren’t serious about offering him a starting job

If they had been and said Jones was finished here and a rookie would sit all year. Things might have turned out differently
RE: He wasnt coming to the Giants because  
section125 : 5/5/2024 10:17 am : link
In comment 16506661 HardTruth said:
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The Giants weren’t serious about offering him a starting job

If they had been and said Jones was finished here and a rookie would sit all year. Things might have turned out differently


There is a difference between what an obstinate BBI poster would say and an NFL GM.
Pittsburgh QB situation is a mess  
larryflower37 : 5/5/2024 10:32 am : link
And has been for years, whoever loses the starters battle will be disgruntled and if the starter struggles how long before the fans and media are calling for the backup.
I don't see how having both Fields and Wilson works for a whole season neither wants to sit.
He was always going to the steelers  
ZogZerg : 5/5/2024 10:35 am : link
And he stinks
I get your sentiments  
Festina Lente : 5/5/2024 10:52 am : link
But as others said already, it takes two to tango and maybe he was not sold on the state of the team
RE: He was always going to the steelers  
Eric on Li : 5/5/2024 11:05 am : link
In comment 16506683 ZogZerg said:
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And he stinks


i agree he was always going to pitt, but i think he's going to do pretty good there. the personnel fits, they have a good defense, tomlin is a strong coach.
I also think he made the right choice  
oghwga : 5/5/2024 11:25 am : link
I think he is going to do great and the Steelers will make some serious noise this season
Two years ago I would have let Jones go  
averagejoe : 5/5/2024 11:40 am : link
and signed Mayfield for 6M . So what do I know ? Mayfield and Wilson at their worst are still better than Jones .
Wilson on a vet min contract was manna from heaven  
The Mike : 5/5/2024 11:55 am : link
for a team needing a sensible pivot away from the abomination of a contract they gave to DJ. My understanding was that if the Giants assured Russ that he would be the starter, the Giants and New York were his preference over the Steelers and Pittsburgh. Saying he is "washed up" is the most ridiculous take I have ever seen on BBI. Especially from DJ fans! Wilson's worst year is far and away better than DJ's best year. And Russ will be playing for his next contract.

So my guess is Wilson will lead the Steelers to the playoffs this year and have a pro bowl calibre year under Tomlin. Imagine what Daboll could have cooked up for Russ especially now with Nabers and our much improved receiving corps. Instead, he is cooking up "remedial offense with training wheels 2.0" for Janiel Dones. Yay.
RE: He wasnt coming to the Giants because  
bLiTz 2k : 5/5/2024 12:12 pm : link
In comment 16506661 HardTruth said:
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The Giants weren’t serious about offering him a starting job

If they had been and said Jones was finished here and a rookie would sit all year. Things might have turned out differently


Do you make up scenarios in your head and then truly believe them?

Seriously, there's a name for that disorder..
I believe the draft unfolded as everyone knew it would  
SirLoinOfBeef : 5/5/2024 12:19 pm : link
.

Especially the NY Giants.

There was/is nothing stopping a health-sih Jones from starting this season.
Until Mara is convinced that Jones  
kelly : 5/5/2024 12:26 pm : link
Is not the answer, he is our starting qb.

If Jones plays mediocre football he will remain our qb. Mara will always have an excuse to start him.

If you want him gone. You have to root that he plays terrible football. Which of course would mean another terrible season.
The Athletic reported  
HardTruth : 5/5/2024 2:24 pm : link
The Giants told Wilson that Jones would be the starter while the Steelers offered Wilson “assurances “ of a shot at the job

Article linked

While it seems different now, Pickett was in the equation to start and was traded based on his reaction to the Wilson trade as reported by Breer

“[Pickett] communicated to the team he was fine with competing for the job, then went the other way when Wilson was added,” Breer wrote Friday. “So he’s gone.”

Competing for job matches the “assurances” from Athletic report



Article - ( New Window )
Regardless  
Svengali : 5/5/2024 3:03 pm : link
Of what happened, with the way the draft played out he would be the best QB on this team right now and probably do well. It would probably be a good situation for both sides.
RE: Pittsburgh QB situation is a mess  
OBJRoyal : 5/5/2024 3:35 pm : link
In comment 16506682 larryflower37 said:
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And has been for years, whoever loses the starters battle will be disgruntled and if the starter struggles how long before the fans and media are calling for the backup.
I don't see how having both Fields and Wilson works for a whole season neither wants to sit.


Their situation isn’t much different than ours.
No. Not one iota whatsoever.  
bwitz : 5/5/2024 4:56 pm : link
Just dumb.
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