Dallas has had great rosters since he's been drafted. He's not a bad QB whatsoever but fact is, his level of play has not risen in the big games/post season play. That matters so much more than the regular season numbers. Lamar and Kirk are the same to me. Win against your top competition like you are paid to do.
QB hell....60 million and Dak, who exactly has 1 more playoff win
The Cowboys are holding the line. They like him, they want him back, but for now they're saying, the price has a limit. And Dak may find that the money he wants isn't out there.
Dallas has not extended Dak. Jones basically said they are running it back this year. Dallas is ready to move on if things don't get to where they want them. We didn't address QB in the draft. Everyone thinks we'll release Jones next year. Next year's QB class isn't supposed to be as good as this year. Free agency is 100% an option for us. What if Minnesota cuts Cousins? The Giant should look at all options, including Dak. No, I didn't say we should sign him but it all comes down to the cost benefit of doing so. If Dak wants some crazy amount, you say no. If his market is shot and he has to settle for a decent deiscount then yoy make that decision.
He's also 73-41 in his career, has thrown for 29000 yards, 202 td's and has made the playoffs the last 3 years. Prescott has thrown three less td passes the last two years than Jones has thrown in in his entire career. By practically any measure, Prescott is a much better qb. There is not one GM, including probably our own, who would take Yak Jones over Dak Prescott.
All comments like yours show is that you are a dyed in the blue homer willing to buy all of the Jones excuses.
Dallas has had great rosters since he's been drafted. He's not a bad QB whatsoever but fact is, his level of play has not risen in the big games/post season play. That matters so much more than the regular season numbers. Lamar and Kirk are the same to me. Win against your top competition like you are paid to do.
That is why I love Eli so much .... he would have a few bad games during the regular season that would make you scratch your head but, when the playoffs started - he was ice money.
"The Awe-shucks Assasin" - Peter(?) Vesci (not sure how you spell his name but was a commentator for one of the networks.).
I mentioned the other day "watch Dak Prescott end up with the Giants"
He's also 73-41 in his career, has thrown for 29000 yards, 202 td's and has made the playoffs the last 3 years. Prescott has thrown three less td passes the last two years than Jones has thrown in in his entire career. By practically any measure, Prescott is a much better qb. There is not one GM, including probably our own, who would take Yak Jones over Dak Prescott.
All comments like yours show is that you are a dyed in the blue homer willing to buy all of the Jones excuses.
You are full of crap. Dak is the beneficiary of a great team around him. Yes he is a good QB. But when he gets to the playoffs, he crashes and burns.
The question is not would you take Dak over Jones. The question is why would you pay a guy $50 mill to replace Jones when Dak does not win in the playoffs? On top of that he is turnover prone. You would replacing one bust with another.
Yes Dak is better than Jones. No he is not coming.
to discount it. Are you the same idiots that did not want Kerry Collins. Or shit on Geoff coming here. Is Dak an upgrade to the QB room or not? Waiting for the next Patrick Mahommes is the definition of QB hell.
If the Boys don't extend Dak, they could be in the market for a new
...that Dallas becomes competition for a rookie QB, I also believe that Dak would eliminate a team from said competition.
Atlanta cannot happen twice...right?
RE: If the Boys don't extend Dak, they could be in the market for a new
to discount it. Are you the same idiots that did not want Kerry Collins. Or shit on Geoff coming here. Is Dak an upgrade to the QB room or not? Waiting for the next Patrick Mahommes is the definition of QB hell.
An upgrade to what level? We know what he is. We know when pressured he throws INTs. We know against playoff teams he is not very good.
I like Dak. But are you realistically paying him $50 mill per to lose in the playoffs?
RE: RE: If the Boys don't extend Dak, they could be in the market for a new
Look like they're heading for a break. Dallas actually looks like they're kicking around a rebuild, basically all of their best players have 1 year left on their deals.
The speculation attaching him to the Giants stems from the Giants being in QB hell and these are the options for you when you're in that spot and don't fall into a top 3 pick. You overpay the good not great guy, try for a reclamation project or overdraft the QB (or some combination of the latter two). If the Giants are a middle of the pack team next year (picking 10+) on the backs of an improving skill group and defense, then the Giants are lining up as a favorite landing spot with Daboll/Schoen entering their 4th year.
Even if the Giants wanted to, is there enough cap $ to do it?
Bringing in Dak means Jones is officially cut and I believe he’s fully off the books after 2025 so we’d have a ton of cap. But even if we carried some of the dead cap forward you can structure a contract to work even up against a tight cap, you just only do that as a last resort and for a player who you think is a top QB (I don’t) you do it.
There are consequences at some point but Schoen/Daboll may be a little more liberal with the cap games in Year 4.
At the end of the day, something aggressive that doesn't feel ideal will be done at the QB position next year. Whether that is paying a guy like Dak, giving up the farm to move up for a top QB (not always an option), overdrafting a 2nd tier QB or what I consider the least likely in restructuring Jones. Could see some form of a reclamation project but I don't see a lot of avenues for that being a plan A with the dead year at the position in 2022, so it would be from last years class. Bryce Young and Will Levis would be the biggest candidates there.
look decent this year, I think this is going to be the move. Dak has his questions, bit it's a monumental upgrade and would give this team a much different ceiling and way of playing that we have now.
It would be very expensive but it gives us a couple year window to actually be good and buys some time to figure out some future options.
We have boxed ourselves in now. If we draft a guy, 1) he just might not be good, 2) even if he turns out good, he probably won't be that good as a rookie. Unless we are willing to push the competition timeline out to 2026 or 2027 (and that's IF the drafted QB is good) then we will have to go the FA route and Dak might be the only option there.
but after 2011 he played in only one more playoff game. Even though the Giants got him a legit #1 in Beckham.
As much as I wanted to find Dak overrated, had to admit he was good at something where Jones is suspect: standing in the pocket and getting good throws off just before he got hit.
According to many, a franchise quarterback plus a legit number one receiver, is all you need to make the playoffs in this era. Even the defense not that important.
RE: RE: QB hell....60 million and Dak, who exactly has 1 more playoff win
He's also 73-41 in his career, has thrown for 29000 yards, 202 td's and has made the playoffs the last 3 years. Prescott has thrown three less td passes the last two years than Jones has thrown in in his entire career. By practically any measure, Prescott is a much better qb. There is not one GM, including probably our own, who would take Yak Jones over Dak Prescott.
All comments like yours show is that you are a dyed in the blue homer willing to buy all of the Jones excuses.
So if you. R I I is over paid or over rated you're automatically on board for Jones?
Add another victim of DJDS. DJ shouldn't have been extended like he was and regardless of any success in 24 needs to be upgraded. But anyone who thinks Adam is worth 50 million ir more a year needs get a dementia exam ASAP
but after 2011 he played in only one more playoff game. Even though the Giants got him a legit #1 in Beckham.
As much as I wanted to find Dak overrated, had to admit he was good at something where Jones is suspect: standing in the pocket and getting good throws off just before he got hit.
According to many, a franchise quarterback plus a legit number one receiver, is all you need to make the playoffs in this era. Even the defense not that important.
Has Dak played above his regular season level in the playoffs? The Packers wiped the floor with them and GB didn't have a big time defense. He was awful. 2 garbage time TD's doesn't change that.
and I have no problem saying it's weird. The guy can beat anyone from September through December and literally has beaten any and all comers. Dak gets to January and turns into a pumpkin. Different coaches, different offensive skill players, same results. I can't blame NYG fans from being scared of that type of QB here.
With that said, if the Giants had one of those so so years in 2024, let's say the D shows up more often than not and let's say the team more or less has more answers than questions and despite this, the offense just never kicks it into a good enough gear. Maybe they even go 9-8. 8-9. 7-10. Whatever. But the losses and concerns add up and we find ourselves believing that QB is the position holding us back. Maybe the D allows only 375 pts scored and generates above average pass rush/sack totals. Nabers looks the part on O. SO does Robinson but the offense is merely average or worse. You telling me a guy like Dak wouldn't help here? What if they had the money to sign the big ticket QB?
I get the fears but it's a worthy discussion. Dak is plug and play ready. He's going to play well if the offense is relatively functional. Drafting a QB is risky too. Just playing devil's advocate. I'd be nervous too not sure I would do it.
Sometimes that stuff gets overblown but he's been bad, especially last year.
The problem is the QBs who are really good in the regular season and really good in the playoffs do not come available very often.
If we get him, we'd just have to hope that the playoff issues are a sample size problem. We are in a very, very bad place at the QB position. We are shopping starving. There is not going to be a perfect option
was ridiculous. Dallas was by far the 2nd bets team in the NFC all season long. They more than earned that east title. They had a very doable path to playing in an NFC title game. Hosting a GB team that was good but let's not carried away here. That GB team lost to the Giants. That GB team was good, but far from great. Dallas should have been licking its chops and instead Dak throws a few too many first half picks and that is that.
Also, the Dallas D shit the bed too. One of the weirder postseason outcomes from an NFC East team that I can think of in quite some time. Dak was at the forefront.
John Mara: Hold my beer.
Dallas has had great rosters since he's been drafted. He's not a bad QB whatsoever but fact is, his level of play has not risen in the big games/post season play. That matters so much more than the regular season numbers. Lamar and Kirk are the same to me. Win against your top competition like you are paid to do.
Having one of the best OL
Having great WRs and decent TEs
Supported by a strong running game
With a top 10 defense.
He was. I'm talking about next offseason. I'm not sure how long they want to keep Cousins around after drafting Penix so high.
Having one of the best OL
Having great WRs and decent TEs
Supported by a strong running game
With a top 10 defense.
All comments like yours show is that you are a dyed in the blue homer willing to buy all of the Jones excuses.
Dallas has had great rosters since he's been drafted. He's not a bad QB whatsoever but fact is, his level of play has not risen in the big games/post season play. That matters so much more than the regular season numbers. Lamar and Kirk are the same to me. Win against your top competition like you are paid to do.
That is why I love Eli so much .... he would have a few bad games during the regular season that would make you scratch your head but, when the playoffs started - he was ice money.
"The Awe-shucks Assasin" - Peter(?) Vesci (not sure how you spell his name but was a commentator for one of the networks.).
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Than Jones.
Having one of the best OL
Having great WRs and decent TEs
Supported by a strong running game
With a top 10 defense.
He's also 73-41 in his career, has thrown for 29000 yards, 202 td's and has made the playoffs the last 3 years. Prescott has thrown three less td passes the last two years than Jones has thrown in in his entire career. By practically any measure, Prescott is a much better qb. There is not one GM, including probably our own, who would take Yak Jones over Dak Prescott.
All comments like yours show is that you are a dyed in the blue homer willing to buy all of the Jones excuses.
You are full of crap. Dak is the beneficiary of a great team around him. Yes he is a good QB. But when he gets to the playoffs, he crashes and burns.
The question is not would you take Dak over Jones. The question is why would you pay a guy $50 mill to replace Jones when Dak does not win in the playoffs? On top of that he is turnover prone. You would replacing one bust with another.
Yes Dak is better than Jones. No he is not coming.
Atlanta cannot happen twice...right?
Yes sir
An upgrade to what level? We know what he is. We know when pressured he throws INTs. We know against playoff teams he is not very good.
I like Dak. But are you realistically paying him $50 mill per to lose in the playoffs?
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qb come April 2025.
Yes sir
And last week someone posted that the Giants were not going to have much competition for a QB in next year's draft.
I can see at least 7-8 teams that could draft a QB high.
Happens every year.
The speculation attaching him to the Giants stems from the Giants being in QB hell and these are the options for you when you're in that spot and don't fall into a top 3 pick. You overpay the good not great guy, try for a reclamation project or overdraft the QB (or some combination of the latter two). If the Giants are a middle of the pack team next year (picking 10+) on the backs of an improving skill group and defense, then the Giants are lining up as a favorite landing spot with Daboll/Schoen entering their 4th year.
Bringing in Dak means Jones is officially cut and I believe he’s fully off the books after 2025 so we’d have a ton of cap. But even if we carried some of the dead cap forward you can structure a contract to work even up against a tight cap, you just only do that as a last resort and for a player who you think is a top QB (I don’t) you do it.
At the end of the day, something aggressive that doesn't feel ideal will be done at the QB position next year. Whether that is paying a guy like Dak, giving up the farm to move up for a top QB (not always an option), overdrafting a 2nd tier QB or what I consider the least likely in restructuring Jones. Could see some form of a reclamation project but I don't see a lot of avenues for that being a plan A with the dead year at the position in 2022, so it would be from last years class. Bryce Young and Will Levis would be the biggest candidates there.
It would be very expensive but it gives us a couple year window to actually be good and buys some time to figure out some future options.
We have boxed ourselves in now. If we draft a guy, 1) he just might not be good, 2) even if he turns out good, he probably won't be that good as a rookie. Unless we are willing to push the competition timeline out to 2026 or 2027 (and that's IF the drafted QB is good) then we will have to go the FA route and Dak might be the only option there.
Wouldn't have to trade any draft picks away to acquire him (which would help with the cap hit).
As much as I wanted to find Dak overrated, had to admit he was good at something where Jones is suspect: standing in the pocket and getting good throws off just before he got hit.
According to many, a franchise quarterback plus a legit number one receiver, is all you need to make the playoffs in this era. Even the defense not that important.
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Than Jones.
Having one of the best OL
Having great WRs and decent TEs
Supported by a strong running game
With a top 10 defense.
He's also 73-41 in his career, has thrown for 29000 yards, 202 td's and has made the playoffs the last 3 years. Prescott has thrown three less td passes the last two years than Jones has thrown in in his entire career. By practically any measure, Prescott is a much better qb. There is not one GM, including probably our own, who would take Yak Jones over Dak Prescott.
All comments like yours show is that you are a dyed in the blue homer willing to buy all of the Jones excuses.
So if you. R I I is over paid or over rated you're automatically on board for Jones?
Add another victim of DJDS. DJ shouldn't have been extended like he was and regardless of any success in 24 needs to be upgraded. But anyone who thinks Adam is worth 50 million ir more a year needs get a dementia exam ASAP
As much as I wanted to find Dak overrated, had to admit he was good at something where Jones is suspect: standing in the pocket and getting good throws off just before he got hit.
According to many, a franchise quarterback plus a legit number one receiver, is all you need to make the playoffs in this era. Even the defense not that important.
Has Dak played above his regular season level in the playoffs? The Packers wiped the floor with them and GB didn't have a big time defense. He was awful. 2 garbage time TD's doesn't change that.
With that said, if the Giants had one of those so so years in 2024, let's say the D shows up more often than not and let's say the team more or less has more answers than questions and despite this, the offense just never kicks it into a good enough gear. Maybe they even go 9-8. 8-9. 7-10. Whatever. But the losses and concerns add up and we find ourselves believing that QB is the position holding us back. Maybe the D allows only 375 pts scored and generates above average pass rush/sack totals. Nabers looks the part on O. SO does Robinson but the offense is merely average or worse. You telling me a guy like Dak wouldn't help here? What if they had the money to sign the big ticket QB?
I get the fears but it's a worthy discussion. Dak is plug and play ready. He's going to play well if the offense is relatively functional. Drafting a QB is risky too. Just playing devil's advocate. I'd be nervous too not sure I would do it.
QB record - 73-41-0
Cmp - 67.0%
Y/A - 7.6
TD - 202
INTs - 74
Postseason stats:
QB record - 2-5
Cmp - 64.49%
Y/A - 7.11
TD - 14
INTs - 7
Postseason PPG = 24
HE usually goes over 400 pts a season. Some seasons were less but I believe he was hurt those 2 years.
He's worse in January. No getting around it. The level of competition goes up, no doubt about it, it's harder to win in January, but Dak falls victim.
The problem is the QBs who are really good in the regular season and really good in the playoffs do not come available very often.
If we get him, we'd just have to hope that the playoff issues are a sample size problem. We are in a very, very bad place at the QB position. We are shopping starving. There is not going to be a perfect option
Also, the Dallas D shit the bed too. One of the weirder postseason outcomes from an NFC East team that I can think of in quite some time. Dak was at the forefront.