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knowledgetimmons : 5/7/2024 3:33 pm
I'm curious to see what everyone here has to say about some of our resources for all things NYG. Hopefully opening up a discussion on where everyone lands with these various channels of info. Who to pay the most attention to, and who has reached the realm of disregard.

Giants Payroll:
John Schmeelk - giants.com reporter, on payroll, sometimes has good insight, but also has a undeniable optimistic outlook with most things related to NYG.

Pat Hanlon - VP of communications for NY Giants - I feel we don't hear much from him these days. I rarely see a lot out of him compared to the Pre-Schoen Daboll years. He's been on staff since 1993.

Gray Area:
Bob Papa
Schmeelk-lite. Paid by the giants for calling gameday, and probably more. Willing to call out things with a fan POV, but not a reliable prognosticator with regard to x's and o's.

Carl Banks
Papa, but x/o insight and a definite fan of every player in spite of his ability to call out specific guys from the perspective of a former Giant. He has the latitude and credibility to be harsh in a way that most wouldn't, and Bob can't.

Giants focused reporters:

In order of my preference:

Dan Duggan The Athletic

Art Stapleton North Jersey USA Today

Jordan Ranaan ESPN

Paul Schwartz NY Post

Pat Leonard NY Daily News

Patricia Traina Misc outlets, Sports Illustrated?

Michael Lombardi ...just kidding

What are your thoughts? Who did I miss? I almost included Talkin Giants (jomboy) as i think they do a really nice job from the social media platform. Insightful and less emotional than the rest of that landscape. In the end social media reporters are really about the 'voice' and spin that is most preferred. TG is great because they don't interject as much big picture opinion.



Big Blue Banter Podcast  
SirLoinOfBeef : 5/7/2024 3:36 pm : link
is a really good listen.

I feel Nick & Dan are unbiased in their reporting. Nick does some really nice film study.
No real qualms with that list  
logman : 5/7/2024 3:42 pm : link
I'd add:

Dottino as a shill

Agree with including Big Blue Banter (and probably Talkin Giants, for that matter)

Would also add two nationals that still have a way inside:

Mike Garafalo
Jay Glazer
Schmeelk  
Straw Hat : 5/7/2024 3:42 pm : link
Is rarely biased. He wont trash the org, but he doesnt try to spin any bs.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/7/2024 3:43 pm : link
Papa has become insufferable.
Pat traina is a brutal  
Straw Hat : 5/7/2024 3:46 pm : link
Read and worse listen. She doesnt have any sources, doesnt break anything, and just parrots what other people are talking about. Time to hang em up.

Talkin giants is awful too. Skinner is ok with oline review stuff. Pennick is the worst.

Pat leonards twice weekly youtube lives are surprisingly good. He is a weasel during the pressers, but his YouTube content is great.
IMO  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/7/2024 3:50 pm : link
the two at the top of their game right now are Schmeelk and Falato.
I think  
BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit : 5/7/2024 3:52 pm : link
you should filter all info through the lens of both the messenger, the motives and the message itself.

Not just with Giants news BTW with every piece of info received through media
Schmeelk  
HBart : 5/7/2024 4:02 pm : link
Is the only one worth a damn for real information, albeit (presumably) nothing the team doesn't want heard.

Falato's tape breakdowns are great.

Papa and Banks obviously are what they are - but I like them, and I do think Banks says what he actually thinks rather than being a team mouthpiece.

The rest just circle jerk around - one reports something (which rarely has any real basis), and the rest pass it along with their spin. And they pull quotes from Schoen/Daboll interviews or some other supposed sources, and interpret them to support some (usually erroneous) thing they've previously tossed out there.
One thing about Patti's show  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/7/2024 4:05 pm : link
is she does get good guests (including this week from coaches and college reporters who know the draft picks).
RE: One thing about Patti's show  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/7/2024 4:06 pm : link
In comment 16508977 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
is she does get good guests (including this week from coaches and college reporters who know the draft picks).


Her interview of the Raiders' beat reporter Hondo Carpenter was the most insightful information I've seen on Carmen Bricillo.
Duggan and Nick and Dan  
ajr2456 : 5/7/2024 4:27 pm : link
Are the only worthwhile ones to me
Love  
Toth029 : 5/7/2024 4:36 pm : link
BBB.

Dan gets some things wrong though.
The only youtuber I watch regularly is  
Darwinian : 5/7/2024 4:44 pm : link

Online Big Blue Sports Entertainment

He's quite hard on the Giants but he is plain spoken and has a very good grasp of the cap. He worked for an arena league team at some point and he has some experience with cap matters and I think worked on tech for the NFL.


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwzCb2LNuyamhuZDvZq4Qcg


Online Big Blue Sports Entertainment - ( New Window )
Schmeelk crushed it  
FranknWeezer : 5/7/2024 5:48 pm : link
in the lead up to the draft. Really impressive.
Papa sounds very tired. Except for Giants game broadcasts, he needs  
Ivan15 : 5/8/2024 12:58 pm : link
To retire from everything else. Maybe he is just bored.. Hanlon is invisible and should be retired. A few years back, he was very argumentative and confrontational. I think the Giants told him to back off.

I don’t mind Dottino as a homer. I think he is entertaining and I like his enthusiasm.
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