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NFT: Pacers @ Knicks - Game 2 - 8 PM Start

Doubledeuce22 : 5/8/2024 11:41 am
Need to get this game. It's time for this team to blow someone out. Way too many close games for comfort. I'd love to see one of those games where the Knicks are draining 3s close to 50% and a wire to wire win. Expecting big minutes from Precious tonight with Mitch done for the playoffs. Let's get it!
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That is obviously what happened  
Essex : 5/9/2024 2:34 pm : link
They showed like ten replays in the building while Thibs was arguing and then they came together to discuss. If the other refs saw it differently he would have immediately went to that ref who made the call.
There was no looking at a replay screen on the IHart call  
shyster : 5/9/2024 2:35 pm : link
The official on the other side of the court who had a clear view of IHart immediately called for the conference.

The whole world is looking at them. If they were looking at a replay screen, there would be no hiding it. Didn't happen.
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RE: That is obviously what happened  
Enzo : 5/9/2024 2:38 pm : link
In comment 16510934 Essex said:
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They showed like ten replays in the building while Thibs was arguing and then they came together to discuss. If the other refs saw it differently he would have immediately went to that ref who made the call.

um no. You're making that up.
yeah not even close. the refs instantaneously got together  
Stu11 : 5/9/2024 2:51 pm : link
they were conferencing about it before TNT even had a chance to show a replay let alone the arena. Don't even compare it to the phantom kick ball. Officials don't conference over every close call. Its very rare. the only time they do it is when one of the other officials had a clear look and is sure of an overrule. Usually you see it on out of bounds calls.
RE: no way in hell does OG play tomorrow  
Matt M. : 5/9/2024 3:20 pm : link
In comment 16510848 djm said:
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probably not playing game 4. They had to win last night and they did. Knicks in 6 even if OG doesn't play another game.
Agreed on OG. Right away I laughed at them saying a cramp. You don't just cramp in the hammy like that. The best case scenario is it was a mild strain, which still won't be 100% for at least a few days and risks a worse injury. He misses a minimum of a couple of games. But, if it was a pull or tear, even a mild one, he isn't playing for weeks.
RE: We need to submit tapes of McConnell trying to sodomize Brunson  
Matt M. : 5/9/2024 3:25 pm : link
In comment 16510720 Jim in Hoboken said:
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when he’s in there. I mean people don’t even get that much skin contact when being intimate. I like how Brunson just put his head down and plowed through him on that particular drive. But Thibs needs to complain so McConnell doesn’t body slam Brunson in Indy.
Yup. And unlike the Pacers and the Sixers before them, Brunson took the high road, saying simply that he respects McConnell as a competitor.

It's one thing to not call some fouls, which happened both ways. But, the Pacers were playing dirty and getting away with it. There were multiple times a Pacers defender launched his body at a Knicks ball handler, making no play for the ball. No call. This is an easy foul call and could go as a Flagrant 1. Nothing.

Counted a number of times a Pacers defender wrapped the back arm around the back of the Knicks ball handler. Nothing. Countless times they essentially clotheslined the mid section swiping at the ball, including a shot to Brunson'
s nuts. Nothing.
If I understood it correctly, which is hard due to TNT's coverage  
Matt M. : 5/9/2024 3:29 pm : link
There was a whistle and the official who blew it made the signal for a double dribble. TNT announcers, including Reggie Miller, all said they didn't see a double dribble. The officials conferred. If I heard through the nonsense correctly (and TNT never really confirmed this), the officials did NOT overturn the call, but rather said it was an inadvertent whistle. Carlisle went apeshit. But, even the pro-Pacers TNT booth seemed to all agree whatever the official decision was, no double dribble was the right call.
I think the problem is that they called it an "inadvertent whistle"  
Heisenberg : 5/9/2024 3:39 pm : link
rather than the rest of the crew just overruling the one guy's call, which was right.

People are mad because it's different than what happened with the kick ball that wasn't a kick ball in game one. But, if the officials got together with that call and they took that away, I wouldn't have complained as a Knicks fan as it was the right call. I guess the rest of the officials didn't see that one as clearly as they saw the dribbling here.
Calling it an inadvertent whistle is the only way to overrule the call  
Stu11 : 5/9/2024 4:13 pm : link
The ref blew his whistle, it's not reviewable so either the call stands or it doesn't. If it doesn't you have to rule it an inadvertent whistle.
Suns  
DanMetroMan : 5/9/2024 4:24 pm : link
fire Vogel
RE: Calling it an inadvertent whistle is the only way to overrule the call  
Matt M. : 5/9/2024 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16511013 Stu11 said:
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The ref blew his whistle, it's not reviewable so either the call stands or it doesn't. If it doesn't you have to rule it an inadvertent whistle.
Not necessarily. The call can be overturned if another official comes in and they confer.
RE: I think the problem is that they called it an  
Matt M. : 5/9/2024 4:32 pm : link
In comment 16510997 Heisenberg said:
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rather than the rest of the crew just overruling the one guy's call, which was right.

People are mad because it's different than what happened with the kick ball that wasn't a kick ball in game one. But, if the officials got together with that call and they took that away, I wouldn't have complained as a Knicks fan as it was the right call. I guess the rest of the officials didn't see that one as clearly as they saw the dribbling here.
The kick ball 100% looked like a kick ball live from virtually every angle. Only on the replays could you tell it wasn't. But, it's not reviewable, so initial call stands.

This call at least 1 other official saw no double dribble.
OG out for Game 3, hamstring strain.  
bceagle05 : 5/9/2024 5:37 pm : link
Brunson questionable, foot soreness.
RE: OG out for Game 3, hamstring strain.  
Bchurch : 5/9/2024 5:43 pm : link
In comment 16511047 bceagle05 said:
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Brunson questionable, foot soreness.


I think OG was a foregone conclusion. Just wonder if it gives us hope for the rest of the series that they didn’t announce he was out for the playoffs. Or they are still waiting on MRI results to determine severeness. This is a huge blow, no way around that.
RE: OG out for Game 3, hamstring strain.  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2024 5:55 pm : link
In comment 16511047 bceagle05 said:
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Brunson questionable, foot soreness.


Thisnis why game 2 was so important, gives them a little flexibility when it comes tomorrow, it was going to be a hard game to get with OG and Brunson playing...

up 2-0 allows you to play it a little safe
I'd be surprised if OG suited up again this series. Hamstring strains  
Strahan91 : 5/9/2024 6:06 pm : link
are tricky and he's not exactly known as a fast healer.
RE: I'd be surprised if OG suited up again this series. Hamstring strains  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2024 6:36 pm : link
In comment 16511059 Strahan91 said:
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are tricky and he's not exactly known as a fast healer.


I think it depends on the kevel of the strain, which hasnt been announced anywhere. Tiki mentioned today hr had heard that it wasnt a bad strain but i dont know what kind of source he has..

I also think being up 2-0 helps them, if they steal one in the next 2 in Indy and are up 3-1, you can sit him for game 5 if he needs a little more rest...

If they could ever steal game 3 and go up 3-0, id almost thjnk about co ceding game 4 and sit Brunson as well
RE: OG out for Game 3, hamstring strain.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2024 6:50 pm : link
In comment 16511047 bceagle05 said:
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Brunson questionable, foot soreness.


Brunson will be out there tomorrow night. & I'm sure it has been mentioned, but I love-LOVE-how Denver & Minnestoa get THREEE days off between Games 2 & 3 & we get one...thanks NBA.
RE: RE: I'd be surprised if OG suited up again this series. Hamstring strains  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/9/2024 6:52 pm : link
In comment 16511069 nygiants16 said:
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If they could ever steal game 3 and go up 3-0, id almost thjnk about co ceding game 4 and sit Brunson as well

If Brunson is still sore it would probably make more sense to cede game 3. Let him and OG recover. Let Hart and the rest get a blow and limit their minutes. Let Sims, Burks, Shake, Precious and Deuce go wild. Knock the Pacers around while they’re at it.
RE: RE: OG out for Game 3, hamstring strain.  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2024 6:52 pm : link
In comment 16511076 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Brunson questionable, foot soreness.



Brunson will be out there tomorrow night. & I'm sure it has been mentioned, but I love-LOVE-how Denver & Minnestoa get THREEE days off between Games 2 & 3 & we get one...thanks NBA.


Knicks get a few days off after game 5, getting a game in Indiana is HUGE
nygiants16.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2024 6:55 pm : link
Agreed. I'd love to get one in Indiana & then close it out @ MSG on Tuesday. And it'd be super nice if the Cavs could make Boston sweat a little & steal a couple of games. Sadly, I don't see that series going past 5, if that.
RE: nygiants16.  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2024 6:56 pm : link
In comment 16511082 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Agreed. I'd love to get one in Indiana & then close it out @ MSG on Tuesday. And it'd be super nice if the Cavs could make Boston sweat a little & steal a couple of games. Sadly, I don't see that series going past 5, if that.


Id be shocked if the Cavs steal one, unless Garland and Strus have a game where they are lights out from 3
I want to wax poetic for one second...  
Jon In NYC : 5/9/2024 7:14 pm : link
I cannot believe how fucking good OG is. Like I follow the NBA closely, as do many of you, and I play in a competitive fantasy basketball league so I know the stats pretty well as well.

And so I knew OG was good, probably not great, but definitely has been buried in Toronto behind Kawhi and now Scottie.

Him being this impactful was just not even close to on my radar. In my view he's very easily the second best player on the team, certainly the current iteration but even probably ahead of Julius.

You can just tell when he's off the floor the team does not perform as well. He's elite in transition as a finisher, he's elite off the catch, and fucking defensively he's absolutely everywhere. He doesn't foul, he's a team player, he's humble. I'm just thrilled that he's only 26 and barring something totally nuts will be a Knick for another 5+ years.

And then finally last night we saw this epic breakout game that everyone has been waiting for. 10/19, carried the team on offense without Brunson, and most importantly showed a good amount of self creation which is the only glaring weakness.

And then of course he gets fucking hurt, because, Knicks.

But, with all the injury talk today I was just reminded how stoked I am that he's on the team and part of the core.
Jon  
AROCK1000 : 5/9/2024 7:17 pm : link
In comment 16511090 Jon In NYC said:
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I cannot believe how fucking good OG is. Like I follow the NBA closely, as do many of you, and I play in a competitive fantasy basketball league so I know the stats pretty well as well.

And so I knew OG was good, probably not great, but definitely has been buried in Toronto behind Kawhi and now Scottie.

Him being this impactful was just not even close to on my radar. In my view he's very easily the second best player on the team, certainly the current iteration but even probably ahead of Julius.

You can just tell when he's off the floor the team does not perform as well. He's elite in transition as a finisher, he's elite off the catch, and fucking defensively he's absolutely everywhere. He doesn't foul, he's a team player, he's humble. I'm just thrilled that he's only 26 and barring something totally nuts will be a Knick for another 5+ years.

And then finally last night we saw this epic breakout game that everyone has been waiting for. 10/19, carried the team on offense without Brunson, and most importantly showed a good amount of self creation which is the only glaring weakness.

And then of course he gets fucking hurt, because, Knicks.

But, with all the injury talk today I was just reminded how stoked I am that he's on the team and part of the core.

OG has been my favorite Knick....from the first minute I saw him play for us...look at our record when he plays...
REDONKULOUS
Woj: OG not yet ruled out for game 4 but unlikely  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2024 7:18 pm : link
says evaluations and a game plan for treatment still ongoing as we speak
Look at this play at 1:50  
Jon In NYC : 5/9/2024 7:19 pm : link
If he's got the handle to take on two defenders with his left and then finish with his left over contact, the NBA is in trouble.
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RE: I want to wax poetic for one second...  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2024 7:20 pm : link
In comment 16511090 Jon In NYC said:
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I cannot believe how fucking good OG is. Like I follow the NBA closely, as do many of you, and I play in a competitive fantasy basketball league so I know the stats pretty well as well.

And so I knew OG was good, probably not great, but definitely has been buried in Toronto behind Kawhi and now Scottie.

Him being this impactful was just not even close to on my radar. In my view he's very easily the second best player on the team, certainly the current iteration but even probably ahead of Julius.

You can just tell when he's off the floor the team does not perform as well. He's elite in transition as a finisher, he's elite off the catch, and fucking defensively he's absolutely everywhere. He doesn't foul, he's a team player, he's humble. I'm just thrilled that he's only 26 and barring something totally nuts will be a Knick for another 5+ years.

And then finally last night we saw this epic breakout game that everyone has been waiting for. 10/19, carried the team on offense without Brunson, and most importantly showed a good amount of self creation which is the only glaring weakness.

And then of course he gets fucking hurt, because, Knicks.

But, with all the injury talk today I was just reminded how stoked I am that he's on the team and part of the core.


Leon Rose has wanted him for a couple of years, its part of the reaosn why they didnt give everything up in a Mitchell deal, they wanted to have enough to go get OG because they felt he was such a great fit next to stars..

I wanted him last year badly, but he was still with Klutch and there eas no sign of him leaving Klutch...whrn he left for CAA it was a foregon conclusion he was gojng to be a Knick
They seem to think 10 days  
ajr2456 : 5/9/2024 7:31 pm : link
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Yeah OG doesn’t fit the statistical profile of a star  
bceagle05 : 5/9/2024 7:31 pm : link
but he is a star - certainly impacts winning at the level a star does. I never quite got it either until you see him every day. Toronto had a lot of overlap at the wing spots too so that probably held him back a bit.

As far as the injury concern…..oh well. Basketball players get injured all the time. Gotta live with it.
OG might not be the  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/9/2024 7:40 pm : link
#1 most impactful defender. That would go to bigs like Gobert/Bam/Davis.

But in terms of legit versatility, there is probably no one else on his tier. Truly great defender. Hope he’s ok.
RE: They seem to think 10 days  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2024 7:42 pm : link
In comment 16511098 ajr2456 said:
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That would put him around game 6/7
RE: They seem to think 10 days  
bceagle05 : 5/9/2024 7:43 pm : link
In comment 16511098 ajr2456 said:
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Any concerns about Brunson?
I am starting Mcbride tomorrow  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2024 7:51 pm : link
I know he hasnt been grest but i trust his 3 point shooting, especially with the Pacers most likely going to go to doubling Brunson every possession..

If Precious stsrts that brings in Sims as the backup big and we dont want that..

If Siakim starts cooking you can go bigger if needed
RE: I am starting Mcbride tomorrow  
LW_Giants : 5/9/2024 7:56 pm : link
In comment 16511114 nygiants16 said:
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I know he hasnt been grest but i trust his 3 point shooting, especially with the Pacers most likely going to go to doubling Brunson every possession..

If Precious stsrts that brings in Sims as the backup big and we dont want that..

If Siakim starts cooking you can go bigger if needed


I've been thinking about this as well but the problem is that puts Hart on Siakem, and we run the risk of him then getting in foul trouble. Don't think we can afford to have Hart on the bench for long stretches. But I do think we will see some very small lineups tomorrow. Let Siakem get his two's, but hopefully limit their threes.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2024 8:05 pm : link
Suns fire Vogel. Gotta imagine KD had a role in that.

KD is such a bitch. I can't stand him. I don't dispute his talent-he's amazing-but one of the most sensitive athletes in recent memory. And those rings he got with the Dubs have an asterisk in my book. He left a team that blew a 3-1 lead in the WCF to go to the team that beat them in that series.... I'll never get past that.

That'd be the equivalent of Jordan signing with Detroit after the '90 ECF.
RE: RE: I am starting Mcbride tomorrow  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2024 8:05 pm : link
In comment 16511115 LW_Giants said:
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In comment 16511114 nygiants16 said:


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I know he hasnt been grest but i trust his 3 point shooting, especially with the Pacers most likely going to go to doubling Brunson every possession..

If Precious stsrts that brings in Sims as the backup big and we dont want that..

If Siakim starts cooking you can go bigger if needed



I've been thinking about this as well but the problem is that puts Hart on Siakem, and we run the risk of him then getting in foul trouble. Don't think we can afford to have Hart on the bench for long stretches. But I do think we will see some very small lineups tomorrow. Let Siakem get his two's, but hopefully limit their threes.


I just think offensively Mcbride allows you to keep that spacing and make Pacers guard everyone..

You will see Precious at the 4 at times, there is no way around it at this point but i think to start make the Pacers guard you on the perimiter and keep the paint open..

and when zprecious is at the 4, he has to take those open 3s they give him, even if he hits 1 out of 4, you have to take them
RE: RE: RE: I am starting Mcbride tomorrow  
LW_Giants : 5/9/2024 8:14 pm : link
In comment 16511122 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16511114 nygiants16 said:


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I know he hasnt been grest but i trust his 3 point shooting, especially with the Pacers most likely going to go to doubling Brunson every possession..

If Precious stsrts that brings in Sims as the backup big and we dont want that..

If Siakim starts cooking you can go bigger if needed



I've been thinking about this as well but the problem is that puts Hart on Siakem, and we run the risk of him then getting in foul trouble. Don't think we can afford to have Hart on the bench for long stretches. But I do think we will see some very small lineups tomorrow. Let Siakem get his two's, but hopefully limit their threes.



I just think offensively Mcbride allows you to keep that spacing and make Pacers guard everyone..

You will see Precious at the 4 at times, there is no way around it at this point but i think to start make the Pacers guard you on the perimiter and keep the paint open..

and when zprecious is at the 4, he has to take those open 3s they give him, even if he hits 1 out of 4, you have to take them


Agreed, if he's wide open he has to take it and then hit the boards. If he misses so be it, but it's much worse when he then dribbles directly into a crowded paint and turns the ball over. If you're open shoot it or take one step closer and then shoot it.
and if they are playing off Precious  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2024 8:25 pm : link
the dribble hand off with Donte or Jalen can be deadly, because they can come off that screen and have wide open looks or lanes to drive
It's amazing how dismissive the national media is of the Knicks  
Sean : 5/9/2024 8:25 pm : link
So many treat them like they are a cute little story. It's blatantly obvious. All the more reason to love this team.
Also dont think its nothing  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2024 8:29 pm : link
that the players for Indiana didnt back up Carslisles ref comments, they all said the officiating had nothing to do with it...

RE: RE: They seem to think 10 days  
ajr2456 : 5/9/2024 8:52 pm : link
In comment 16511112 bceagle05 said:
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Any concerns about Brunson?


Doesn’t sound like it
Unrelated  
ajr2456 : 5/9/2024 8:59 pm : link
NBA max contracts might approach $75-80 million a year when the new tv deal gets done
RE: Unrelated  
Jon In NYC : 5/9/2024 9:00 pm : link
In comment 16511155 ajr2456 said:
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NBA max contracts might approach $75-80 million a year when the new tv deal gets done


Lock up Jalen now please
RE: Unrelated  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2024 9:05 pm : link
In comment 16511155 ajr2456 said:
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NBA max contracts might approach $75-80 million a year when the new tv deal gets done


insanity but it also means the cap is going to skyrocket
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2024 9:10 pm : link
Cavs going to win this.
RE: Unrelated  
Enzo : 5/9/2024 9:11 pm : link
In comment 16511155 ajr2456 said:
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NBA max contracts might approach $75-80 million a year when the new tv deal gets done

Giannis is already on the books for $74 million in 26/27 and $79 million in 27/28.

With the built in annual raises on max deals somebody is going to clear $100 million in a single season sooner rather than later.

Boston is very beatable  
JT039 : 5/9/2024 9:14 pm : link
When their shot is off - they are average.
Wow good for Cleveland.  
bceagle05 : 5/9/2024 9:19 pm : link
Boston dropped Game 2 against Miami and destroyed them the rest of the way. Cleveland is healthier than Miami though.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2024 9:25 pm : link
Cavs killing Cs.
RE: RE: Unrelated  
ajr2456 : 5/9/2024 9:25 pm : link
In comment 16511164 Enzo said:
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NBA max contracts might approach $75-80 million a year when the new tv deal gets done


Giannis is already on the books for $74 million in 26/27 and $79 million in 27/28.

With the built in annual raises on max deals somebody is going to clear $100 million in a single season sooner rather than later.


Based on projections the first $100 million a year player is set for 2032.
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