32 Daniel Jones
NEW YORK GIANTS QB
The Giants reportedly dabbled with replacing their rehabbing investment, whose ball-security issues returned behind a porous line in 2023. Perhaps Malik Nabers can restore his fortunes.
We have heard all the reasons he sucks but as of now he is the guy. Some of you want to be so right that you forget that we have to root for him to be successful. He is our problem but lets put out some positive energy and maybe it will help him and the team to win.
I know this is old fashioned and naive. But with all the negative rooting it just leaves me cold. DJ is here whether we like it or not. So can we please in your hearts hope that he becomes our renaissance man and help make this franchise something to be proud about again. It can't hurt.
could be ranked in any order. No one in that bottom 16 is clearly better or clearly worse than anyone else in the bottom 16.
Sorry. You are incorrect. You think Daniel Jones is interchangeable with Stafford, Kyler, Baker, Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels?
Williams and Daniels will be TOP-15 by week 10. 16 to 28 are all good QBs. Daniel Jones is bottom-4 at best.
Stafford was 16. I said 17-32. He was the last guy I thought was clearly better than the rest. The rookies shouldn’t be ranked. Nobody has any clue what they are. Murray and Mayfield are as inconsistent as anyone else from 17-32. Rookies aside, I don’t want anyone from 17-32 being my quarterback. How they are ranked is purely personal preference for brand of suck you find most tolerable.
A quarterback(Oline) that nobody respects...they all tend to go extra hard to embarrass him it seems
And they don't respect his ability to hurt them downfield. So they bring the house.
This. Even when he has time Jones is afraid to throw downfield. Shorter field makes it much easier to shut down an offense.
Panthers would still laugh in Giants.. you think any team wants an often injured stiff like Dan Jones? BY had a bad year, but he's still only in year 2 and has way more upside then DJ. Who is what he is that this point
We have heard all the reasons he sucks but as of now he is the guy. Some of you want to be so right that you forget that we have to root for him to be successful. He is our problem but lets put out some positive energy and maybe it will help him and the team to win.
I know this is old fashioned and naive. But with all the negative rooting it just leaves me cold. DJ is here whether we like it or not. So can we please in your hearts hope that he becomes our renaissance man and help make this franchise something to be proud about again. It can't hurt.
A quarterback(Oline) that nobody respects...they all tend to go extra hard to embarrass him it seems
And they don't respect his ability to hurt them downfield. So they bring the house.
This. Even when he has time Jones is afraid to throw downfield. Shorter field makes it much easier to shut down an offense.
Panthers would still laugh in Giants.. you think any team wants an often injured stiff like Dan Jones? BY had a bad year, but he's still only in year 2 and has way more upside than DJ. Who is what he is that this point
I’m assuming this isn’t in response to me? I didn’t mention anything about the Panthers or Bryce Young.
Is flat out stupid, and loses credibility. To pretend you have the precognitive ability to slot in college QBs who have not even participated in a professional practice, and then slot then --this guy is one position ahead of this guy and one position below this guy, is a laughable joke. You might as well admit to throwing darts. Regardless of how you feel about the author's conclusions here --the exercise is severely flawed. Click bait.
The very definition of click bait designed to take advantage of emotional cupcakes.
could be ranked in any order. No one in that bottom 16 is clearly better or clearly worse than anyone else in the bottom 16.
Sorry. You are incorrect. You think Daniel Jones is interchangeable with Stafford, Kyler, Baker, Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels?
Williams and Daniels will be TOP-15 by week 10. 16 to 28 are all good QBs. Daniel Jones is bottom-4 at best.
Stafford was 16. I said 17-32. He was the last guy I thought was clearly better than the rest. The rookies shouldn’t be ranked. Nobody has any clue what they are. Murray and Mayfield are as inconsistent as anyone else from 17-32. Rookies aside, I don’t want anyone from 17-32 being my quarterback. How they are ranked is purely personal preference for brand of suck you find most tolerable.
Murray and Mayfield are fucking lIGHTYEARS better than Jones. JFC, do some of you even watch football?
I was thinking about your statement the other day.
I don't have time to go back and look at the numbers, but I can't think of a QB in the modern era that has been given the number of starts and attempted the number of passes he has with such limited success.
He might literally end up, when all is said and done, the worst QB in the history of football with X amount of passes thrown.
I was thinking about your statement the other day.
I don't have time to go back and look at the numbers, but I can't think of a QB in the modern era that has been given the number of starts and attempted the number of passes he has with such limited success.
He might literally end up, when all is said and done, the worst QB in the history of football with X amount of passes thrown.
I did a fairly detailed scan of this. There was nobody in the last 20 years who was as bad as Daniel and got 6 years starting for the same team.
You have to go back to Jake Plummer who got 6 years in Arizona. Also won a playoff game. His #s are awful, but the league was a lot different back then.
Hundreds of starting QBs have come through since then and nobody has received the charity that Daniel has.
Intended air yards and completed air yards have gone down,
I was thinking about your statement the other day.
I don't have time to go back and look at the numbers, but I can't think of a QB in the modern era that has been given the number of starts and attempted the number of passes he has with such limited success.
He might literally end up, when all is said and done, the worst QB in the history of football with X amount of passes thrown.
I did a fairly detailed scan of this. There was nobody in the last 20 years who was as bad as Daniel and got 6 years starting for the same team.
You have to go back to Jake Plummer who got 6 years in Arizona. Also won a playoff game. His #s are awful, but the league was a lot different back then.
Hundreds of starting QBs have come through since then and nobody has received the charity that Daniel has.
This is a great point and I think overall we know what Jones is at this point in his career. Whether you rank him 26 or 32, I think he's likely no better than a spot starter in this league.
I also think that the Mara's will need to be in love with another qb to take on in round 1. Otherwise I don't see Jones being replaced in the near future. It seems at the very least, the Giants QB position is the equivalent of tenure.
I was thinking about your statement the other day.
I don't have time to go back and look at the numbers, but I can't think of a QB in the modern era that has been given the number of starts and attempted the number of passes he has with such limited success.
He might literally end up, when all is said and done, the worst QB in the history of football with X amount of passes thrown.
And that is the operative point. Clearly there have been many quarterbacks who were terrible at the position. And they usually last about three starts at most. Never can I recall someone so bad at the most important position in all of sports being given 62 chances to improve and continually demonstrate his incompetence. It is one of the most bizarre case studies of managerial incompetence that I can think of in sports history.
You have to go back to Jake Plummer who got 6 years in Arizona. Also won a playoff game. His #s are awful, but the league was a lot different back then.
Hundreds of starting QBs have come through since then and nobody has received the charity that Daniel has.
Moreover, Plummer was a day-two pick, not a lottery selection like Jones.
And you are absolutely correct in that the league was much, much different 20+ years ago with how QBs were managed.
I swear, I think this is a Giants thing.
Mara saw how Simms was handled. And Simms didn't really pop until his sixth year.
A few years later, the Giants had to sacrifice a first-round pick on Dave Brown, was selected in the supplemental draft. And he was given six years.
They get it wrong on both ends of the timeline. Their draft methodology is to fall in love with a prospect...a huge no-no. Then they give the player an enormous leash in an era where it makes the last sense to do so in NFL history.
It's been a case study in how to fuck up a decade of football, and it is ongoing.
We have heard all the reasons he sucks but as of now he is the guy. Some of you want to be so right that you forget that we have to root for him to be successful. He is our problem but lets put out some positive energy and maybe it will help him and the team to win.
I know this is old fashioned and naive. But with all the negative rooting it just leaves me cold. DJ is here whether we like it or not. So can we please in your hearts hope that he becomes our renaissance man and help make this franchise something to be proud about again. It can't hurt.
“It can’t hurt”
Lmfao.
Aren't you a ray of sunshine
It’s called being a realist. I’d rather be that than some Pollyanna who sits there with the room on fire and pretends nothing is wrong.
And ‘positive energy’? This is the NFL, not a goddamn Tony Robbin’s seminar. There has been NOTHING to be positive about with this team for a decade plus. So why in the world should I, or any other Giants fan, be expected to be positive when the team has been run like a fucking clown show?
We have heard all the reasons he sucks but as of now he is the guy. Some of you want to be so right that you forget that we have to root for him to be successful. He is our problem but lets put out some positive energy and maybe it will help him and the team to win.
I know this is old fashioned and naive. But with all the negative rooting it just leaves me cold. DJ is here whether we like it or not. So can we please in your hearts hope that he becomes our renaissance man and help make this franchise something to be proud about again. It can't hurt.
“It can’t hurt”
Lmfao.
Aren't you a ray of sunshine
It’s called being a realist. I’d rather be that than some Pollyanna who sits there with the room on fire and pretends nothing is wrong.
And ‘positive energy’? This is the NFL, not a goddamn Tony Robbin’s seminar. There has been NOTHING to be positive about with this team for a decade plus. So why in the world should I, or any other Giants fan, be expected to be positive when the team has been run like a fucking clown show?
What's to be positive about, is that the league is mostly crap, with perhaps about 5 good teams. In any given game, with injuries, luck, etc...almost any one of the other 27 teams can beat anyone else on any given Sunday.
The Giants have remade the receiving corps, the OL, and added a good edge rusher. How that OL will perform is an unknown, and for now is likely the biggest issue.
In a best case scenario, with very few injuries, lots of luck, several players having career years, and better coaching, I could see the Giants winning the division. I just don't see them beating a team like San Francisco or Detroit on the road in the playoffs.
With injuries, bad luck, several players having their worst years, I could see them finish in last place in the division.
Daniel Jones can be a bad pick at #6 and a poor QB AND the media and NFL players have full on Daniel Jones derangement syndrome. He's not a good QB, I hope we replace him but this shit from the media and players is fucking comical.
But, stuff like this seems like it's just piling on. It's lazy and really just click bait. I have no problem ranking him in the bottom 5 at this point. But, placing him dead last is just to continue that narrative of the off season. I didn't see who wrote it, but probably someone who "reported" the Giants were "done" with Jones and moving on was a certainty. They got burned so, come back with this.
after being sacked 10 times by the Seahawks. There's not a QB in the league that could have survived that assault. Lamar Jackson would have had more rushing than pashing yards. Mahomes would have been in a walking boot by week 2, and Josh Allen would have more int's than TD's
To be fair, Jones is firmly in the bottom third of QBs in the league without question. I can honestly say that I'd rather have Jones only over the following starters (7 total, 25th in league by this very subjective view):
Seattle - Geno
Carolina - Bryce Young seems very pedestrian
Minnesota - JJ needs to do it first on the pro level
Denver - Nix
Raiders - Minshew or whoever
Colts - Richardson, haven't seen it yet from him
Titans - Levis
I am leaving out the top 3 rookies drafted because it is logical to assume that any giant fan would want Williams, Daniels, or Maye over Jones right now. He is definitely not last, but way closer to the bottom than to the top.
after being sacked 10 times by the Seahawks. There's not a QB in the league that could have survived that assault. Lamar Jackson would have had more rushing than pashing yards. Mahomes would have been in a walking boot by week 2, and Josh Allen would have more int's than TD's
Maybe half of those sacks came after DJ threw the backbreaking pick-6 that proved Witherspoon's point. Maybe another one of those sacks before the pick-6 was DJ running himself out of bounds behind the LOS. Maybe another one was Parris Campbell getting sacked on a gadget play.
after being sacked 10 times by the Seahawks. There's not a QB in the league that could have survived that assault. Lamar Jackson would have had more rushing than pashing yards. Mahomes would have been in a walking boot by week 2, and Josh Allen would have more int's than TD's
If I'm reading this correctly, Daniel Jones is tougher and/or better than Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.
To be fair, Jones is firmly in the bottom third of QBs in the league without question. I can honestly say that I'd rather have Jones only over the following starters (7 total, 25th in league by this very subjective view):
Seattle - Geno
Carolina - Bryce Young seems very pedestrian
Minnesota - JJ needs to do it first on the pro level
Denver - Nix
Raiders - Minshew or whoever
Colts - Richardson, haven't seen it yet from him
Titans - Levis
I am leaving out the top 3 rookies drafted because it is logical to assume that any giant fan would want Williams, Daniels, or Maye over Jones right now. He is definitely not last, but way closer to the bottom than to the top.
I wouldn't want Jones over any of the QBs you mention, and I'm pretty sure most football fans would agree. Even Bryce, Levis, and Geno... even Minshew.
after being sacked 10 times by the Seahawks. There's not a QB in the league that could have survived that assault. Lamar Jackson would have had more rushing than pashing yards. Mahomes would have been in a walking boot by week 2, and Josh Allen would have more int's than TD's
If I'm reading this correctly, Daniel Jones is tougher and/or better than Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.
Awesome.
Did I say that, no! My point was that even the best QB's in the league would have struggled in that totally inept offense last year with one of the worse O'lines in league history,an average WR group at best, and Waller being a non-factor.. not to mention the running game since they couldn't block anybody
after being sacked 10 times by the Seahawks. There's not a QB in the league that could have survived that assault. Lamar Jackson would have had more rushing than pashing yards. Mahomes would have been in a walking boot by week 2, and Josh Allen would have more int's than TD's
If I'm reading this correctly, Daniel Jones is tougher and/or better than Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.
Awesome.
Did I say that, no! My point was that even the best QB's in the league would have struggled in that totally inept offense last year with one of the worse O'lines in league history,an average WR group at best, and Waller being a non-factor.. not to mention the running game since they couldn't block anybody
What you seem to be missing, what you seem to fail to factor into your analysis, is that Daniel Jones is making his supporting cast look worse than it is. He holds the ball too long. Makes poor decisions pre and post snap. Lacks good NFL accuracy.
after being sacked 10 times by the Seahawks. There's not a QB in the league that could have survived that assault. Lamar Jackson would have had more rushing than pashing yards. Mahomes would have been in a walking boot by week 2, and Josh Allen would have more int's than TD's
If I'm reading this correctly, Daniel Jones is tougher and/or better than Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.
Awesome.
Did I say that, no! My point was that even the best QB's in the league would have struggled in that totally inept offense last year with one of the worse O'lines in league history,an average WR group at best, and Waller being a non-factor.. not to mention the running game since they couldn't block anybody
What you seem to be missing, what you seem to fail to factor into your analysis, is that Daniel Jones is making his supporting cast look worse than it is. He holds the ball too long. Makes poor decisions pre and post snap. Lacks good NFL accuracy.
The preseason game against the Panthers and 2nd half against Arizona, maybe the only two times last year he actually had time to throw the ball.. what you're saying was not the case. And in the games he played with Andrew Thomas out, and Neal and Glowinski starting on the right side the entire offense was a mess, not just DJ
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Maybe Jones got a little gun shy
after being sacked 10 times by the Seahawks. There's not a QB in the league that could have survived that assault. Lamar Jackson would have had more rushing than pashing yards. Mahomes would have been in a walking boot by week 2, and Josh Allen would have more int's than TD's
If I'm reading this correctly, Daniel Jones is tougher and/or better than Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.
Awesome.
Did I say that, no! My point was that even the best QB's in the league would have struggled in that totally inept offense last year with one of the worse O'lines in league history,an average WR group at best, and Waller being a non-factor.. not to mention the running game since they couldn't block anybody
What you seem to be missing, what you seem to fail to factor into your analysis, is that Daniel Jones is making his supporting cast look worse than it is. He holds the ball too long. Makes poor decisions pre and post snap. Lacks good NFL accuracy.
The preseason game against the Panthers and 2nd half against Arizona, maybe the only two times last year he actually had time to throw the ball.. what you're saying was not the case. And in the games he played with Andrew Thomas out, and Neal and Glowinski starting on the right side the entire offense was a mess, not just DJ
No QB gets all day to throw the ball. Defenses don't fear Jones' passing at all, so they bring the house. Every starting QB in the NFL faces pressure at some point. Jones is among the worst at it. Stop him from running, bring the house, force him to beat you downfield. He can't do it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Maybe Jones got a little gun shy
after being sacked 10 times by the Seahawks. There's not a QB in the league that could have survived that assault. Lamar Jackson would have had more rushing than pashing yards. Mahomes would have been in a walking boot by week 2, and Josh Allen would have more int's than TD's
If I'm reading this correctly, Daniel Jones is tougher and/or better than Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.
Awesome.
Did I say that, no! My point was that even the best QB's in the league would have struggled in that totally inept offense last year with one of the worse O'lines in league history,an average WR group at best, and Waller being a non-factor.. not to mention the running game since they couldn't block anybody
What you seem to be missing, what you seem to fail to factor into your analysis, is that Daniel Jones is making his supporting cast look worse than it is. He holds the ball too long. Makes poor decisions pre and post snap. Lacks good NFL accuracy.
The preseason game against the Panthers and 2nd half against Arizona, maybe the only two times last year he actually had time to throw the ball.. what you're saying was not the case. And in the games he played with Andrew Thomas out, and Neal and Glowinski starting on the right side the entire offense was a mess, not just DJ
No QB gets all day to throw the ball. Defenses don't fear Jones' passing at all, so they bring the house. Every starting QB in the NFL faces pressure at some point. Jones is among the worst at it. Stop him from running, bring the house, force him to beat you downfield. He can't do it.
when references to the '85 Eagles and 2002 Texans are heard time and time again throughout the season.. 'all day' doesn't even come into the conversation
I know this is old fashioned and naive. But with all the negative rooting it just leaves me cold. DJ is here whether we like it or not. So can we please in your hearts hope that he becomes our renaissance man and help make this franchise something to be proud about again. It can't hurt.
“It can’t hurt”
Lmfao.
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could be ranked in any order. No one in that bottom 16 is clearly better or clearly worse than anyone else in the bottom 16.
Sorry. You are incorrect. You think Daniel Jones is interchangeable with Stafford, Kyler, Baker, Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels?
Williams and Daniels will be TOP-15 by week 10. 16 to 28 are all good QBs. Daniel Jones is bottom-4 at best.
Stafford was 16. I said 17-32. He was the last guy I thought was clearly better than the rest. The rookies shouldn’t be ranked. Nobody has any clue what they are. Murray and Mayfield are as inconsistent as anyone else from 17-32. Rookies aside, I don’t want anyone from 17-32 being my quarterback. How they are ranked is purely personal preference for brand of suck you find most tolerable.
Both suck. But Producer a bit more b/c they’re a blatant, habitual fabricator to make themselves seem more important than they ever could be.
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I know he's limited and not the future. But now it's getting ridiculous.
But even if he plays well for many fans I doubt he could ever do enough.
The oppssite is also true just as we saw this past year. No matter how bad he plays there is always excuses given for him to push blame on others.
I'm on another thread and that's the basic excuse.
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A quarterback(Oline) that nobody respects...they all tend to go extra hard to embarrass him it seems
And they don't respect his ability to hurt them downfield. So they bring the house.
This. Even when he has time Jones is afraid to throw downfield. Shorter field makes it much easier to shut down an offense.
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Behind Bo Nix and Bryce Young? Will Levis? Total bullshit.
Until you realize that if we called the Panthers and asked to trade DJ for Young.. they would laugh at us..
If they did, it would only be because of the contract
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A quarterback(Oline) that nobody respects...they all tend to go extra hard to embarrass him it seems
And they don't respect his ability to hurt them downfield. So they bring the house.
This. Even when he has time Jones is afraid to throw downfield. Shorter field makes it much easier to shut down an offense.
Panthers would still laugh in Giants.. you think any team wants an often injured stiff like Dan Jones? BY had a bad year, but he's still only in year 2 and has way more upside then DJ. Who is what he is that this point
How do they average the other 10?
BS.
How do they average the other 10?
BS.
My bad - it was 9 ... how do they average the other 7?
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We have heard all the reasons he sucks but as of now he is the guy. Some of you want to be so right that you forget that we have to root for him to be successful. He is our problem but lets put out some positive energy and maybe it will help him and the team to win.
I know this is old fashioned and naive. But with all the negative rooting it just leaves me cold. DJ is here whether we like it or not. So can we please in your hearts hope that he becomes our renaissance man and help make this franchise something to be proud about again. It can't hurt.
“It can’t hurt”
Lmfao.
Aren't you a ray of sunshine
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How do they average the other 10?
BS.
My bad - it was 9 ... how do they average the other 7?
Actually I think it was 6 .... these websites are hard to read.
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A quarterback(Oline) that nobody respects...they all tend to go extra hard to embarrass him it seems
And they don't respect his ability to hurt them downfield. So they bring the house.
This. Even when he has time Jones is afraid to throw downfield. Shorter field makes it much easier to shut down an offense.
Panthers would still laugh in Giants.. you think any team wants an often injured stiff like Dan Jones? BY had a bad year, but he's still only in year 2 and has way more upside than DJ. Who is what he is that this point
I’m assuming this isn’t in response to me? I didn’t mention anything about the Panthers or Bryce Young.
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Jones to the offense or Producer to BBI.
Both suck. But Producer a bit more b/c they’re a blatant, habitual fabricator to make themselves seem more important than they ever could be.
Producer. Absolutely worthless shit stain. And an idiot to boot.
Pronouns they/them
The very definition of click bait designed to take advantage of emotional cupcakes.
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Behind Bo Nix and Bryce Young? Will Levis? Total bullshit.
Until you realize that if we called the Panthers and asked to trade DJ for Young.. they would laugh at us..
If they did, it would only be because of the contract
Oh there are a lot of other reasons they would laugh at us. I could think of 47 million off the top of my head.
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could be ranked in any order. No one in that bottom 16 is clearly better or clearly worse than anyone else in the bottom 16.
Sorry. You are incorrect. You think Daniel Jones is interchangeable with Stafford, Kyler, Baker, Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels?
Williams and Daniels will be TOP-15 by week 10. 16 to 28 are all good QBs. Daniel Jones is bottom-4 at best.
Stafford was 16. I said 17-32. He was the last guy I thought was clearly better than the rest. The rookies shouldn’t be ranked. Nobody has any clue what they are. Murray and Mayfield are as inconsistent as anyone else from 17-32. Rookies aside, I don’t want anyone from 17-32 being my quarterback. How they are ranked is purely personal preference for brand of suck you find most tolerable.
Prove everybody wrong or update your resume'.
Considering several have yet to play a down in the NFL, yes.
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but is 28 really that much of a difference to have some beats calling the ranking slander?
Considering several have yet to play a down in the NFL, yes.
Yeah, I took that into consideration. I'd take a couple of them over him in a heartbeat.
Jones is 30th in QBR
34th in TD%
32nd in sack %
27th in yards per game
34th in yards per completion
But hey he is 12th in completion % and 11th in INT% so we will just go 3 and out and punt every time.
This is beyond belief. DJ may ultimately go down as the single worst player to have ever played the quarterback position in NFL history.
I don't have time to go back and look at the numbers, but I can't think of a QB in the modern era that has been given the number of starts and attempted the number of passes he has with such limited success.
He might literally end up, when all is said and done, the worst QB in the history of football with X amount of passes thrown.
2021: 1.9 percent
2022: 1.1 percent
2023: 3.8 percent
However, also note his sack rate during the same period:
2021: 5.7 percent
2022: 8.5 percent
2023: 15.8 percent
This is even more damning when you consider that the Giants were using a quick-passing game.
Long story short, the turnover issue is overblown and has been for years with Jones.
His bigger issue is not throwing enough TDs.
Sounds like you might have stumbled upon how the turnover issue got solved.
I don't have time to go back and look at the numbers, but I can't think of a QB in the modern era that has been given the number of starts and attempted the number of passes he has with such limited success.
He might literally end up, when all is said and done, the worst QB in the history of football with X amount of passes thrown.
I did a fairly detailed scan of this. There was nobody in the last 20 years who was as bad as Daniel and got 6 years starting for the same team.
You have to go back to Jake Plummer who got 6 years in Arizona. Also won a playoff game. His #s are awful, but the league was a lot different back then.
Hundreds of starting QBs have come through since then and nobody has received the charity that Daniel has.
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I was thinking about your statement the other day.
I don't have time to go back and look at the numbers, but I can't think of a QB in the modern era that has been given the number of starts and attempted the number of passes he has with such limited success.
He might literally end up, when all is said and done, the worst QB in the history of football with X amount of passes thrown.
I did a fairly detailed scan of this. There was nobody in the last 20 years who was as bad as Daniel and got 6 years starting for the same team.
You have to go back to Jake Plummer who got 6 years in Arizona. Also won a playoff game. His #s are awful, but the league was a lot different back then.
Hundreds of starting QBs have come through since then and nobody has received the charity that Daniel has.
This is a great point and I think overall we know what Jones is at this point in his career. Whether you rank him 26 or 32, I think he's likely no better than a spot starter in this league.
I also think that the Mara's will need to be in love with another qb to take on in round 1. Otherwise I don't see Jones being replaced in the near future. It seems at the very least, the Giants QB position is the equivalent of tenure.
I don't have time to go back and look at the numbers, but I can't think of a QB in the modern era that has been given the number of starts and attempted the number of passes he has with such limited success.
He might literally end up, when all is said and done, the worst QB in the history of football with X amount of passes thrown.
And that is the operative point. Clearly there have been many quarterbacks who were terrible at the position. And they usually last about three starts at most. Never can I recall someone so bad at the most important position in all of sports being given 62 chances to improve and continually demonstrate his incompetence. It is one of the most bizarre case studies of managerial incompetence that I can think of in sports history.
You have to go back to Jake Plummer who got 6 years in Arizona. Also won a playoff game. His #s are awful, but the league was a lot different back then.
Hundreds of starting QBs have come through since then and nobody has received the charity that Daniel has.
Moreover, Plummer was a day-two pick, not a lottery selection like Jones.
And you are absolutely correct in that the league was much, much different 20+ years ago with how QBs were managed.
I swear, I think this is a Giants thing.
Mara saw how Simms was handled. And Simms didn't really pop until his sixth year.
A few years later, the Giants had to sacrifice a first-round pick on Dave Brown, was selected in the supplemental draft. And he was given six years.
I swear, I think this is a Giants thing.
There's no question it's a Giants thing.
They get it wrong on both ends of the timeline. Their draft methodology is to fall in love with a prospect...a huge no-no. Then they give the player an enormous leash in an era where it makes the last sense to do so in NFL history.
It's been a case study in how to fuck up a decade of football, and it is ongoing.
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We have heard all the reasons he sucks but as of now he is the guy. Some of you want to be so right that you forget that we have to root for him to be successful. He is our problem but lets put out some positive energy and maybe it will help him and the team to win.
I know this is old fashioned and naive. But with all the negative rooting it just leaves me cold. DJ is here whether we like it or not. So can we please in your hearts hope that he becomes our renaissance man and help make this franchise something to be proud about again. It can't hurt.
“It can’t hurt”
Lmfao.
Aren't you a ray of sunshine
It’s called being a realist. I’d rather be that than some Pollyanna who sits there with the room on fire and pretends nothing is wrong.
And ‘positive energy’? This is the NFL, not a goddamn Tony Robbin’s seminar. There has been NOTHING to be positive about with this team for a decade plus. So why in the world should I, or any other Giants fan, be expected to be positive when the team has been run like a fucking clown show?
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In comment 16509990 bwitz said:
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In comment 16509840 Maijay said:
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We have heard all the reasons he sucks but as of now he is the guy. Some of you want to be so right that you forget that we have to root for him to be successful. He is our problem but lets put out some positive energy and maybe it will help him and the team to win.
I know this is old fashioned and naive. But with all the negative rooting it just leaves me cold. DJ is here whether we like it or not. So can we please in your hearts hope that he becomes our renaissance man and help make this franchise something to be proud about again. It can't hurt.
“It can’t hurt”
Lmfao.
Aren't you a ray of sunshine
It’s called being a realist. I’d rather be that than some Pollyanna who sits there with the room on fire and pretends nothing is wrong.
And ‘positive energy’? This is the NFL, not a goddamn Tony Robbin’s seminar. There has been NOTHING to be positive about with this team for a decade plus. So why in the world should I, or any other Giants fan, be expected to be positive when the team has been run like a fucking clown show?
What's to be positive about, is that the league is mostly crap, with perhaps about 5 good teams. In any given game, with injuries, luck, etc...almost any one of the other 27 teams can beat anyone else on any given Sunday.
The Giants have remade the receiving corps, the OL, and added a good edge rusher. How that OL will perform is an unknown, and for now is likely the biggest issue.
In a best case scenario, with very few injuries, lots of luck, several players having career years, and better coaching, I could see the Giants winning the division. I just don't see them beating a team like San Francisco or Detroit on the road in the playoffs.
With injuries, bad luck, several players having their worst years, I could see them finish in last place in the division.
The optimism is to see how the year starts out.
Which post?
Seattle - Geno
Carolina - Bryce Young seems very pedestrian
Minnesota - JJ needs to do it first on the pro level
Denver - Nix
Raiders - Minshew or whoever
Colts - Richardson, haven't seen it yet from him
Titans - Levis
I am leaving out the top 3 rookies drafted because it is logical to assume that any giant fan would want Williams, Daniels, or Maye over Jones right now. He is definitely not last, but way closer to the bottom than to the top.
Maybe half of those sacks came after DJ threw the backbreaking pick-6 that proved Witherspoon's point. Maybe another one of those sacks before the pick-6 was DJ running himself out of bounds behind the LOS. Maybe another one was Parris Campbell getting sacked on a gadget play.
Maybe your excuse is lame.
If I'm reading this correctly, Daniel Jones is tougher and/or better than Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.
Awesome.
Seattle - Geno
Carolina - Bryce Young seems very pedestrian
Minnesota - JJ needs to do it first on the pro level
Denver - Nix
Raiders - Minshew or whoever
Colts - Richardson, haven't seen it yet from him
Titans - Levis
I am leaving out the top 3 rookies drafted because it is logical to assume that any giant fan would want Williams, Daniels, or Maye over Jones right now. He is definitely not last, but way closer to the bottom than to the top.
I wouldn't want Jones over any of the QBs you mention, and I'm pretty sure most football fans would agree. Even Bryce, Levis, and Geno... even Minshew.
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after being sacked 10 times by the Seahawks. There's not a QB in the league that could have survived that assault. Lamar Jackson would have had more rushing than pashing yards. Mahomes would have been in a walking boot by week 2, and Josh Allen would have more int's than TD's
If I'm reading this correctly, Daniel Jones is tougher and/or better than Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.
Awesome.
Did I say that, no! My point was that even the best QB's in the league would have struggled in that totally inept offense last year with one of the worse O'lines in league history,an average WR group at best, and Waller being a non-factor.. not to mention the running game since they couldn't block anybody
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In comment 16511311 CTGiants said:
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after being sacked 10 times by the Seahawks. There's not a QB in the league that could have survived that assault. Lamar Jackson would have had more rushing than pashing yards. Mahomes would have been in a walking boot by week 2, and Josh Allen would have more int's than TD's
If I'm reading this correctly, Daniel Jones is tougher and/or better than Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.
Awesome.
Did I say that, no! My point was that even the best QB's in the league would have struggled in that totally inept offense last year with one of the worse O'lines in league history,an average WR group at best, and Waller being a non-factor.. not to mention the running game since they couldn't block anybody
What you seem to be missing, what you seem to fail to factor into your analysis, is that Daniel Jones is making his supporting cast look worse than it is. He holds the ball too long. Makes poor decisions pre and post snap. Lacks good NFL accuracy.
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In comment 16511311 CTGiants said:
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after being sacked 10 times by the Seahawks. There's not a QB in the league that could have survived that assault. Lamar Jackson would have had more rushing than pashing yards. Mahomes would have been in a walking boot by week 2, and Josh Allen would have more int's than TD's
If I'm reading this correctly, Daniel Jones is tougher and/or better than Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.
Awesome.
Did I say that, no! My point was that even the best QB's in the league would have struggled in that totally inept offense last year with one of the worse O'lines in league history,an average WR group at best, and Waller being a non-factor.. not to mention the running game since they couldn't block anybody
What you seem to be missing, what you seem to fail to factor into your analysis, is that Daniel Jones is making his supporting cast look worse than it is. He holds the ball too long. Makes poor decisions pre and post snap. Lacks good NFL accuracy.
The preseason game against the Panthers and 2nd half against Arizona, maybe the only two times last year he actually had time to throw the ball.. what you're saying was not the case. And in the games he played with Andrew Thomas out, and Neal and Glowinski starting on the right side the entire offense was a mess, not just DJ
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In comment 16511464 rsjem1979 said:
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In comment 16511311 CTGiants said:
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after being sacked 10 times by the Seahawks. There's not a QB in the league that could have survived that assault. Lamar Jackson would have had more rushing than pashing yards. Mahomes would have been in a walking boot by week 2, and Josh Allen would have more int's than TD's
If I'm reading this correctly, Daniel Jones is tougher and/or better than Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.
Awesome.
Did I say that, no! My point was that even the best QB's in the league would have struggled in that totally inept offense last year with one of the worse O'lines in league history,an average WR group at best, and Waller being a non-factor.. not to mention the running game since they couldn't block anybody
What you seem to be missing, what you seem to fail to factor into your analysis, is that Daniel Jones is making his supporting cast look worse than it is. He holds the ball too long. Makes poor decisions pre and post snap. Lacks good NFL accuracy.
The preseason game against the Panthers and 2nd half against Arizona, maybe the only two times last year he actually had time to throw the ball.. what you're saying was not the case. And in the games he played with Andrew Thomas out, and Neal and Glowinski starting on the right side the entire offense was a mess, not just DJ
No QB gets all day to throw the ball. Defenses don't fear Jones' passing at all, so they bring the house. Every starting QB in the NFL faces pressure at some point. Jones is among the worst at it. Stop him from running, bring the house, force him to beat you downfield. He can't do it.
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In comment 16511504 CTGiants said:
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In comment 16511464 rsjem1979 said:
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In comment 16511311 CTGiants said:
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after being sacked 10 times by the Seahawks. There's not a QB in the league that could have survived that assault. Lamar Jackson would have had more rushing than pashing yards. Mahomes would have been in a walking boot by week 2, and Josh Allen would have more int's than TD's
If I'm reading this correctly, Daniel Jones is tougher and/or better than Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen.
Awesome.
Did I say that, no! My point was that even the best QB's in the league would have struggled in that totally inept offense last year with one of the worse O'lines in league history,an average WR group at best, and Waller being a non-factor.. not to mention the running game since they couldn't block anybody
What you seem to be missing, what you seem to fail to factor into your analysis, is that Daniel Jones is making his supporting cast look worse than it is. He holds the ball too long. Makes poor decisions pre and post snap. Lacks good NFL accuracy.
The preseason game against the Panthers and 2nd half against Arizona, maybe the only two times last year he actually had time to throw the ball.. what you're saying was not the case. And in the games he played with Andrew Thomas out, and Neal and Glowinski starting on the right side the entire offense was a mess, not just DJ
No QB gets all day to throw the ball. Defenses don't fear Jones' passing at all, so they bring the house. Every starting QB in the NFL faces pressure at some point. Jones is among the worst at it. Stop him from running, bring the house, force him to beat you downfield. He can't do it.
when references to the '85 Eagles and 2002 Texans are heard time and time again throughout the season.. 'all day' doesn't even come into the conversation