NFT: Houston we have a problem - sort of

Musk will save the day and bail Boeing out. He's already laying out the planned rescue.

In comment 16543181 mavric said:

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Musk will save the day and bail Boeing out. He's already laying out the planned rescue.

I hope it involves repurposing the unused submarine from the Thailand rescue.

In comment 16543189 widmerseyebrow said:

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In comment 16543181 mavric said: Quote: Musk will save the day and bail Boeing out. He's already laying out the planned rescue. I hope it involves repurposing the unused submarine from the Thailand rescue.

Lol well played

that the thing was delayed launching and now has problems that are pushing back its return.

I'm sure everyone is mindful of the Columbia accident, where they suspected a problem and attempted re-entry anyway, resulting in the loss of the vehicle and crew. So they'll be very cautious. But it appears there are problems with design, manufacturing, or both. Based on what's come to light about Boeing, it could be either or both, unfortunately.

Space engineering is hard. My father-in-law is a retired engineer. He had a successful business manufacturing bespoke, very compact communications gear — his units were in the helicopters they used on the Bin Laden raid — that saved weight and space. I asked him if he had any interest in supplying parts to NASA. He said that the certifications and paperwork required to become a space vendor were just too onerous. There's a reason for that.

There should be executives in prison.

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In comment 16543261 Giant John said:

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There should be executives in prison.

1000%, they have zapped the quality from the company and it's not at the lower levels. This has been happening now in aerospace for over the last decade. It is a sin what is being done to cut costs. One of the main reasons I retired last year.
I used to love my job, but with all the corporate crap initiatives and frankly bovine turds, I had had enough.

In comment 16543289 Sec 103 said:

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In comment 16543261 Giant John said: Quote: There should be executives in prison. 1000%, they have zapped the quality from the company and it's not at the lower levels. This has been happening now in aerospace for over the last decade. It is a sin what is being done to cut costs. One of the main reasons I retired last year. I used to love my job, but with all the corporate crap initiatives and frankly bovine turds, I had had enough.

What did you do in the industry?

In comment 16543260 81_Great_Dane said:

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that the thing was delayed launching and now has problems that are pushing back its return. I'm sure everyone is mindful of the Columbia accident, where they suspected a problem and attempted re-entry anyway, resulting in the loss of the vehicle and crew. So they'll be very cautious. But it appears there are problems with design, manufacturing, or both. Based on what's come to light about Boeing, it could be either or both, unfortunately. Space engineering is hard. My father-in-law is a retired engineer. He had a successful business manufacturing bespoke, very compact communications gear — his units were in the helicopters they used on the Bin Laden raid — that saved weight and space. I asked him if he had any interest in supplying parts to NASA. He said that the certifications and paperwork required to become a space vendor were just too onerous. There's a reason for that.

I do a different type of engineering work (civil and transportation) than space, but I've experienced the same thing as your father-in-law...working on federal projects is so onerous that I've seen local government agencies flat out turn down federal grant money. It's so burdensome that it's questionable whether the staff time to manage it is even worth it.

I can only imagine the level of complexity that must accompany something already as complex as rocket science.

"Its Boeing or I'm not going". How Boeing destroyed their brand will be taught in all the business schools now.

Is that Airbus can’t build planes fast enough. That and perhaps a handful of airlines that have so much experience with Boeing ( ie Southwest ) that their engineers know the aircraft better than Boeing’s support people.

The 727 will always be my favorite aircraft. But having flown both Airbus and Boeing aircraft, from a purely pilot's perspective, the Airbus is really freakin' nice.

Had a segment about Boeing a couple of months ago lambasting Boeing. Basically McDonnell Douglas and Boeing merged. McDonnell Douglas basically started running Boeing and their CEOs thought the best way to enhance Boeing was to cut costs. Numerous CEOs since the merger continued cutting costs to generate more profits at the expense of safety. All this did was make their planes less safe. Remember the 737 who's door flew off in flight? That was due to not attaching a needed bolt (or bolts) to the door that were required in the building schematic. Cutting building safety supervisors was one of the ideas to save money. Build a plane in this time frame and get it out the door was what was now required regardless if it was put together properly.

Numerous employees at Boeing and were asked if they would fly on a Boeing plane and over 80% said no. Most said if they had to fly they would check to see if an Airbus plane was available for that needed flight over a Boeing plane.

So sad as this company used to be a top notch plane for safety and flying experience. But once corporate greed took hold, profit over safety at Boeing was the norm. Boeing shareholders were making mucho dinero. It is so sad about a major American company that used to be the envy of the world and why we have a problem out in space.

I was just watching “Marooned” (1969). Gregory Peck, Gene Hackman. Lee Grant, Richard Crenna and more. Pretty good for its era.

That Boeing engineers are not as qualified as they were a generation ago. DEI was included as a contributing factor. But the CEO kind of said they were struggling with hiring since pandemics.

I would never in my life think Boeing would have been in this situation. War Powers Act dictates they have to clear this up.