overall another good game. Nestor was plus, and the Yanks are something like 35 and 4 when Judge and Stanton both homer. BTW they tied A-Rod and Jorge tonight for 5th on the Yankee list of homering in the same game. But Mantle/Maris and Ruth/Gehrig must have some crazy #s in that department.
11k through 5 including 6 on a row right now. Soto blasting out of his mini slump with 2 absolute bombs. Stanton bashing holes in windows. Man this team is on a roll right now.
14Ks for Gil today. He and this team are just rolling.
Both Soto AND Holmes need to be re-signed, and I don't want to hear any excuses from Hal and company. George would have had those two re-upped already. Better not let either one walk.
Both Soto AND Holmes need to be re-signed, and I don't want to hear any excuses from Hal and company. George would have had those two re-upped already. Better not let either one walk.
Tell me you have no idea what you are talking about without telling me…
Soto is a Boras client. He is NOT signing before FA no matter what nonsense you want to spout about George.
It also tells me you are just parroting some bullshit you heard from someone older than you. if you REALLY remembered how things were under George, you would remember that the Yanks won NOTHING for most of his time in NY (except in the late 1970’s) and didn’t begin to win again until he got suspended and Micheal and Watson rebuild the team from the farm system on up.
Best to say nothing and have people think you are a fool rather than speak and remove all doubt
Fun fact: This was Soto's First Multi-HR Game as a Yankee,
Both Soto AND Holmes need to be re-signed, and I don't want to hear any excuses from Hal and company. George would have had those two re-upped already. Better not let either one walk.
Tell me you have no idea what you are talking about without telling me…
Soto is a Boras client. He is NOT signing before FA no matter what nonsense you want to spout about George.
It also tells me you are just parroting some bullshit you heard from someone older than you. if you REALLY remembered how things were under George, you would remember that the Yanks won NOTHING for most of his time in NY (except in the late 1970’s) and didn’t begin to win again until he got suspended and Micheal and Watson rebuild the team from the farm system on up.
Best to say nothing and have people think you are a fool rather than speak and remove all doubt
Ever heard the term "Gentleman's agreement"? Locked up unofficially. If either of these two are gone, it would be a disaster for the Yankees.
RE: Fun fact: This was Soto's First Multi-HR Game as a Yankee,
Another fun fact: Gil set a record today for Ks by a Yankee rookie P, with 14 Ks (passing Orlando Hernandez, who by coincidence threw out the ceremonial first pitch today!). Link - ( New Window )
Both Soto AND Holmes need to be re-signed, and I don't want to hear any excuses from Hal and company. George would have had those two re-upped already. Better not let either one walk.
Tell me you have no idea what you are talking about without telling me…
Soto is a Boras client. He is NOT signing before FA no matter what nonsense you want to spout about George.
It also tells me you are just parroting some bullshit you heard from someone older than you. if you REALLY remembered how things were under George, you would remember that the Yanks won NOTHING for most of his time in NY (except in the late 1970’s) and didn’t begin to win again until he got suspended and Micheal and Watson rebuild the team from the farm system on up.
Best to say nothing and have people think you are a fool rather than speak and remove all doubt
Ever heard the term "Gentleman's agreement"? Locked up unofficially. If either of these two are gone, it would be a disaster for the Yankees.
It’s nice to know you’re a dumbfuck on a multitude of subjects.
Both Soto AND Holmes need to be re-signed, and I don't want to hear any excuses from Hal and company. George would have had those two re-upped already. Better not let either one walk.
Tell me you have no idea what you are talking about without telling me…
Soto is a Boras client. He is NOT signing before FA no matter what nonsense you want to spout about George.
It also tells me you are just parroting some bullshit you heard from someone older than you. if you REALLY remembered how things were under George, you would remember that the Yanks won NOTHING for most of his time in NY (except in the late 1970’s) and didn’t begin to win again until he got suspended and Micheal and Watson rebuild the team from the farm system on up.
Best to say nothing and have people think you are a fool rather than speak and remove all doubt
rich, might disagree with you a bit here. Boras fell on his ass this off season and the players know it. Soto is smart. If he really enjoys playing here, he will tell Boras to get a deal done. It will not be soon. But I do think that if Hal's numbers are ballpark, and Soto likes what he sees, it can get done.
FWIW, the players like Boone. The team is fun and they are playing well. I would say 50/50 he gets a deal by Oct.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Cashman has work to do this offseason
Both Soto AND Holmes need to be re-signed, and I don't want to hear any excuses from Hal and company. George would have had those two re-upped already. Better not let either one walk.
Tell me you have no idea what you are talking about without telling me…
Soto is a Boras client. He is NOT signing before FA no matter what nonsense you want to spout about George.
It also tells me you are just parroting some bullshit you heard from someone older than you. if you REALLY remembered how things were under George, you would remember that the Yanks won NOTHING for most of his time in NY (except in the late 1970’s) and didn’t begin to win again until he got suspended and Micheal and Watson rebuild the team from the farm system on up.
Best to say nothing and have people think you are a fool rather than speak and remove all doubt
Ever heard the term "Gentleman's agreement"? Locked up unofficially. If either of these two are gone, it would be a disaster for the Yankees.
It’s nice to know you’re a dumbfuck on a multitude of subjects.
Oh yea? You're such a great Giants fan, you'd rather see the team fail so you could be proven right about Jones. Some fan you are. As for the Yankees point, care to address the massive failure it would be to let Soto and Holmes walk? Or are you too busy spewing out insults and personal attacks?
Soto first. Nobody knows what Soto is thinking or what he wants to do except Soto. If he's made up his mind he's going to chase the absolute highest dollar then Cohen might get him. That's only of Soto doesn't mind watching the playoffs on TV for the next 13 years. If he's decided he wants to be a Yankee even if someone offers little more, he's still be out of his mind to sign midseason. He'll wait for free agency and see what the market is.
As for Holmes. If he hits free agency someone is going to offer him a ridiculous contract in the neighborhood of $17 mil x 4, especially after that insane contract Cohen gave to Diaz a couple of years ago. I'd pass. If there's one thing the Yankees do well its find and develop relief pitchers.
Soto first. Nobody knows what Soto is thinking or what he wants to do except Soto. If he's made up his mind he's going to chase the absolute highest dollar then Cohen might get him. That's only of Soto doesn't mind watching the playoffs on TV for the next 13 years. If he's decided he wants to be a Yankee even if someone offers little more, he's still be out of his mind to sign midseason. He'll wait for free agency and see what the market is.
As for Holmes. If he hits free agency someone is going to offer him a ridiculous contract in the neighborhood of $17 mil x 4, especially after that insane contract Cohen gave to Diaz a couple of years ago. I'd pass. If there's one thing the Yankees do well its find and develop relief pitchers.
Ron, you can get pitchers in the pen that are effective. Holmes has been steadily improving. Closers are a different animal. If Holmes continues as he has been pitching, the Yanks pay the piper and keep him. He is not done improving, he still has upside.
Soto first. Nobody knows what Soto is thinking or what he wants to do except Soto. If he's made up his mind he's going to chase the absolute highest dollar then Cohen might get him. That's only of Soto doesn't mind watching the playoffs on TV for the next 13 years. If he's decided he wants to be a Yankee even if someone offers little more, he's still be out of his mind to sign midseason. He'll wait for free agency and see what the market is.
As for Holmes. If he hits free agency someone is going to offer him a ridiculous contract in the neighborhood of $17 mil x 4, especially after that insane contract Cohen gave to Diaz a couple of years ago. I'd pass. If there's one thing the Yankees do well its find and develop relief pitchers.
Ron, you can get pitchers in the pen that are effective. Holmes has been steadily improving. Closers are a different animal. If Holmes continues as he has been pitching, the Yanks pay the piper and keep him. He is not done improving, he still has upside.
Yes, Holmes is the best closer in baseball now. That isn't saying much as there are no great closers in baseball. Obviously there's no one like Mariano, but there's not even anyone in the class of Robertson, Miller, Papelbon, or Hoffman. Holmes has been inconsistent throughout his career, he rarely has a 1-2-3 inning and if you watch his games he's been extremely lucky. Yes he has improved. He's now mixing in other pitches with his sinker and he's hitting more spots with his sinker, but not to the point where I'd want to throw $15 million + multi year at him. If Holmes agrees to a reasonable 2 year extension now, then go for, but I don't think they should be opening the vault for him.
Soto first. Nobody knows what Soto is thinking or what he wants to do except Soto. If he's made up his mind he's going to chase the absolute highest dollar then Cohen might get him. That's only of Soto doesn't mind watching the playoffs on TV for the next 13 years. If he's decided he wants to be a Yankee even if someone offers little more, he's still be out of his mind to sign midseason. He'll wait for free agency and see what the market is.
As for Holmes. If he hits free agency someone is going to offer him a ridiculous contract in the neighborhood of $17 mil x 4, especially after that insane contract Cohen gave to Diaz a couple of years ago. I'd pass. If there's one thing the Yankees do well its find and develop relief pitchers.
Ron, you can get pitchers in the pen that are effective. Holmes has been steadily improving. Closers are a different animal. If Holmes continues as he has been pitching, the Yanks pay the piper and keep him. He is not done improving, he still has upside.
Yes, Holmes is the best closer in baseball now. That isn't saying much as there are no great closers in baseball. Obviously there's no one like Mariano, but there's not even anyone in the class of Robertson, Miller, Papelbon, or Hoffman. Holmes has been inconsistent throughout his career, he rarely has a 1-2-3 inning and if you watch his games he's been extremely lucky. Yes he has improved. He's now mixing in other pitches with his sinker and he's hitting more spots with his sinker, but not to the point where I'd want to throw $15 million + multi year at him. If Holmes agrees to a reasonable 2 year extension now, then go for, but I don't think they should be opening the vault for him.
Who would replace him? Hamilton? I get nit wanting to break the bank, but to compete for World Series titles, you either have to have great young players in the farm system, or open up that checkbook. George did what had to be done. Hal needs to take the example of his father. Winning is everything.
Holmes is the best closer in baseball now. That isn't saying much as there are no great closers in baseball. Obviously there's no one like Mariano, but there's not even anyone in the class of Robertson, Miller, Papelbon, or Hoffman. Holmes has been inconsistent throughout his career, he rarely has a 1-2-3 inning and if you watch his games he's been extremely lucky. Yes he has improved. He's now mixing in other pitches with his sinker and he's hitting more spots with his sinker, but not to the point where I'd want to throw $15 million + multi year at him. If Holmes agrees to a reasonable 2 year extension now, then go for, but I don't think they should be opening the vault for him.
Think you had better rethink your list - Papelbon? WTF? There is Mariano and then everyone else. Hader is a guy that is worthy.
But back to reality. Holmes has not been lucky. He is good. He is getting better, not stagnant. The Yankees are ruined by Mariano being that good that long.
RE: RE: Fun fact: This was Soto's First Multi-HR Game as a Yankee,
Another fun fact: Gil set a record today for Ks by a Yankee rookie P, with 14 Ks (passing Orlando Hernandez, who by coincidence threw out the ceremonial first pitch today!). Link - ( New Window )
Another fun fact, only the fifteenth time a Yankee has had 14 or more strikeouts in a game (and he did it only six innings!)...
p.s.--Brings back memories of Ron Guidry's brilliant two-hitter vs Angels in 1978!
The sixteenth time if you include Clemens playoff game...
with or without Cole, really. Starting pitching staff is all locked in beyond this season (in some cases, well beyond) so we won’t have to shop hungry anytime soon.
I'm amazed how they haven't missed Cole at all, somehow.
Credit to Rodon for picking it up big time compared to last year, and Luis Gil for being absolute FIRE thus far. Those two have gone along way in picking it up in Cole's abscence.
That said, while we haven't missed Cole, I still miss watching the best pitcher in all of baseball do his thing. Can't wait until he comes back.
the other thing is, it's a likable, watchable team
I'll worry about signing Soto after the season. Not to mention they'll sign him. He loves it here, they love him. Love the combo of the vet pitchers they signed like Rodon & Stroman and the system guys in Schmidt, Gil & Nestor. These things usually take care of themselves but if Cole comes back and stays healthy and someone needs to leave the rotation, imagine the weapon Gil could be coming out of the pen down the stretch and post season?
Who would replace him? Hamilton? I get nit wanting to break the bank, but to compete for World Series titles, you either have to have great young players in the farm system, or open up that checkbook. George did what had to be done. Hal needs to take the example of his father. Winning is everything.
Great. We have another knucklehead taking the opportunity to knock Hal and wax nostalgic over the good old days of George.
But to answer your question, I don't know who's going to replace Holmes. Just like, at this time last year, I didn't even know who Luke Weaver, Nick Burdi and Victor Gonzalas were. I didn't know that this bullpen would be so good that Ron Marinaccio, who was pretty good last year, can't even crack this roster. So I'm not going to lose any sleep over who the closer is going to be next year.
So the real question is, do we pony up for Holmes ? Since Section 125 mentioned Hader, he's getting $19mil X 5. Thats the benchmark. Is Holmes worth it ? In my mind absolutely not. A closer who demands that kind of money should be someone who is consistent and reliable. Its someone who can roll up bad teams with a 10 or 15 pitch 1-2-3 inning, not a guy who is constantly giving you 25 - 30 pitch nail biters and who is ultimately bailed out by great plays and horrible calls that go his way. Which BTW means he can't pitch the next day. The best closers may have a bad game or two, but then they bounce back. They don't go into weeks long funks, where you have to have another guy warming up in the ninth, just in case.
Don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to run Holmes out of town. If they can sign him to a reasonable 2 year extension great. If he can become a lights out closer, great. If he can't maybe he goes back to being a setup man, not the end of the world. But if he is signed to a Hader/Diaz like contract, they're married to him for the next 4+ years. He's had a good two months, but he's never demonstrated he's worth that.
really warped perceptions of what a closer should be. Holmes has been unreal this year. He is among the best in the sport. Stop judging him by what we were spoiled with. He's still a top 3 closer in the sport.
Ok. Yeah, they are bad.
Damn it, mon!
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With the Knicks and some Knicks player props. So if either team gets smacked around tonight blame it on me.
Damn it, mon!
Yup! Puboically shame me into not betting on NY teams anymore. Thanks! Lol
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With the Knicks and some Knicks player props. So if either team gets smacked around tonight blame it on me.
Damn it, mon!
Yup! Puboically shame me into not betting on NY teams anymore. Thanks! Lol
Pubically?
4-2. Now 2nd and 3rd with one out, Double, single, double.
And of course Boone now brings in Ferguson....
But Laz was not bad tonight.
Another win...
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In comment 16518466 Big Rick in FL said:
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With the Knicks and some Knicks player props. So if either team gets smacked around tonight blame it on me.
Damn it, mon!
Yup! Puboically shame me into not betting on NY teams anymore. Thanks! Lol
Pubically?
Was driving! Idk why my phone autocorrects to that lol I meant publicly
Pubically?
Was driving! Idk why my phone autocorrects to that lol I meant publicly
I was just being a wiseass.
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In comment 16518466 Big Rick in FL said:
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With the Knicks and some Knicks player props. So if either team gets smacked around tonight blame it on me.
Damn it, mon!
Yup! Puboically shame me into not betting on NY teams anymore. Thanks! Lol
Pubically?
Was driving! Idk why my phone autocorrects to that lol I meant publicly
You’re checking out BBI AND posting on BBI while you’re driving? Seriously? Wtf?
Thank you. No applause necessary.
I wonder if this will work for Gleyber?
6-1 Good Guys!
32-15.
Tell me you have no idea what you are talking about without telling me…
Soto is a Boras client. He is NOT signing before FA no matter what nonsense you want to spout about George.
It also tells me you are just parroting some bullshit you heard from someone older than you. if you REALLY remembered how things were under George, you would remember that the Yanks won NOTHING for most of his time in NY (except in the late 1970’s) and didn’t begin to win again until he got suspended and Micheal and Watson rebuild the team from the farm system on up.
Best to say nothing and have people think you are a fool rather than speak and remove all doubt
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Both Soto AND Holmes need to be re-signed, and I don't want to hear any excuses from Hal and company. George would have had those two re-upped already. Better not let either one walk.
Tell me you have no idea what you are talking about without telling me…
Soto is a Boras client. He is NOT signing before FA no matter what nonsense you want to spout about George.
It also tells me you are just parroting some bullshit you heard from someone older than you. if you REALLY remembered how things were under George, you would remember that the Yanks won NOTHING for most of his time in NY (except in the late 1970’s) and didn’t begin to win again until he got suspended and Micheal and Watson rebuild the team from the farm system on up.
Best to say nothing and have people think you are a fool rather than speak and remove all doubt
Another fun fact: Gil set a record today for Ks by a Yankee rookie P, with 14 Ks (passing Orlando Hernandez, who by coincidence threw out the ceremonial first pitch today!).
Link - ( New Window )
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Both Soto AND Holmes need to be re-signed, and I don't want to hear any excuses from Hal and company. George would have had those two re-upped already. Better not let either one walk.
Tell me you have no idea what you are talking about without telling me…
Soto is a Boras client. He is NOT signing before FA no matter what nonsense you want to spout about George.
It also tells me you are just parroting some bullshit you heard from someone older than you. if you REALLY remembered how things were under George, you would remember that the Yanks won NOTHING for most of his time in NY (except in the late 1970’s) and didn’t begin to win again until he got suspended and Micheal and Watson rebuild the team from the farm system on up.
Best to say nothing and have people think you are a fool rather than speak and remove all doubt
Ever heard the term "Gentleman's agreement"? Locked up unofficially. If either of these two are gone, it would be a disaster for the Yankees.
It’s nice to know you’re a dumbfuck on a multitude of subjects.
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Both Soto AND Holmes need to be re-signed, and I don't want to hear any excuses from Hal and company. George would have had those two re-upped already. Better not let either one walk.
Tell me you have no idea what you are talking about without telling me…
Soto is a Boras client. He is NOT signing before FA no matter what nonsense you want to spout about George.
It also tells me you are just parroting some bullshit you heard from someone older than you. if you REALLY remembered how things were under George, you would remember that the Yanks won NOTHING for most of his time in NY (except in the late 1970’s) and didn’t begin to win again until he got suspended and Micheal and Watson rebuild the team from the farm system on up.
Best to say nothing and have people think you are a fool rather than speak and remove all doubt
rich, might disagree with you a bit here. Boras fell on his ass this off season and the players know it. Soto is smart. If he really enjoys playing here, he will tell Boras to get a deal done. It will not be soon. But I do think that if Hal's numbers are ballpark, and Soto likes what he sees, it can get done.
FWIW, the players like Boone. The team is fun and they are playing well. I would say 50/50 he gets a deal by Oct.
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In comment 16519107 Eightshamrocks said:
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Both Soto AND Holmes need to be re-signed, and I don't want to hear any excuses from Hal and company. George would have had those two re-upped already. Better not let either one walk.
Tell me you have no idea what you are talking about without telling me…
Soto is a Boras client. He is NOT signing before FA no matter what nonsense you want to spout about George.
It also tells me you are just parroting some bullshit you heard from someone older than you. if you REALLY remembered how things were under George, you would remember that the Yanks won NOTHING for most of his time in NY (except in the late 1970’s) and didn’t begin to win again until he got suspended and Micheal and Watson rebuild the team from the farm system on up.
Best to say nothing and have people think you are a fool rather than speak and remove all doubt
Ever heard the term "Gentleman's agreement"? Locked up unofficially. If either of these two are gone, it would be a disaster for the Yankees.
It’s nice to know you’re a dumbfuck on a multitude of subjects.
As for Holmes. If he hits free agency someone is going to offer him a ridiculous contract in the neighborhood of $17 mil x 4, especially after that insane contract Cohen gave to Diaz a couple of years ago. I'd pass. If there's one thing the Yankees do well its find and develop relief pitchers.
As for Holmes. If he hits free agency someone is going to offer him a ridiculous contract in the neighborhood of $17 mil x 4, especially after that insane contract Cohen gave to Diaz a couple of years ago. I'd pass. If there's one thing the Yankees do well its find and develop relief pitchers.
Ron, you can get pitchers in the pen that are effective. Holmes has been steadily improving. Closers are a different animal. If Holmes continues as he has been pitching, the Yanks pay the piper and keep him. He is not done improving, he still has upside.
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Soto first. Nobody knows what Soto is thinking or what he wants to do except Soto. If he's made up his mind he's going to chase the absolute highest dollar then Cohen might get him. That's only of Soto doesn't mind watching the playoffs on TV for the next 13 years. If he's decided he wants to be a Yankee even if someone offers little more, he's still be out of his mind to sign midseason. He'll wait for free agency and see what the market is.
As for Holmes. If he hits free agency someone is going to offer him a ridiculous contract in the neighborhood of $17 mil x 4, especially after that insane contract Cohen gave to Diaz a couple of years ago. I'd pass. If there's one thing the Yankees do well its find and develop relief pitchers.
Ron, you can get pitchers in the pen that are effective. Holmes has been steadily improving. Closers are a different animal. If Holmes continues as he has been pitching, the Yanks pay the piper and keep him. He is not done improving, he still has upside.
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Soto first. Nobody knows what Soto is thinking or what he wants to do except Soto. If he's made up his mind he's going to chase the absolute highest dollar then Cohen might get him. That's only of Soto doesn't mind watching the playoffs on TV for the next 13 years. If he's decided he wants to be a Yankee even if someone offers little more, he's still be out of his mind to sign midseason. He'll wait for free agency and see what the market is.
As for Holmes. If he hits free agency someone is going to offer him a ridiculous contract in the neighborhood of $17 mil x 4, especially after that insane contract Cohen gave to Diaz a couple of years ago. I'd pass. If there's one thing the Yankees do well its find and develop relief pitchers.
Ron, you can get pitchers in the pen that are effective. Holmes has been steadily improving. Closers are a different animal. If Holmes continues as he has been pitching, the Yanks pay the piper and keep him. He is not done improving, he still has upside.
Yes, Holmes is the best closer in baseball now. That isn't saying much as there are no great closers in baseball. Obviously there's no one like Mariano, but there's not even anyone in the class of Robertson, Miller, Papelbon, or Hoffman. Holmes has been inconsistent throughout his career, he rarely has a 1-2-3 inning and if you watch his games he's been extremely lucky. Yes he has improved. He's now mixing in other pitches with his sinker and he's hitting more spots with his sinker, but not to the point where I'd want to throw $15 million + multi year at him. If Holmes agrees to a reasonable 2 year extension now, then go for, but I don't think they should be opening the vault for him.
Holmes is the best closer in baseball now. That isn't saying much as there are no great closers in baseball. Obviously there's no one like Mariano, but there's not even anyone in the class of Robertson, Miller, Papelbon, or Hoffman. Holmes has been inconsistent throughout his career, he rarely has a 1-2-3 inning and if you watch his games he's been extremely lucky. Yes he has improved. He's now mixing in other pitches with his sinker and he's hitting more spots with his sinker, but not to the point where I'd want to throw $15 million + multi year at him. If Holmes agrees to a reasonable 2 year extension now, then go for, but I don't think they should be opening the vault for him.
Think you had better rethink your list - Papelbon? WTF? There is Mariano and then everyone else. Hader is a guy that is worthy.
But back to reality. Holmes has not been lucky. He is good. He is getting better, not stagnant. The Yankees are ruined by Mariano being that good that long.
Another fun fact: Gil set a record today for Ks by a Yankee rookie P, with 14 Ks (passing Orlando Hernandez, who by coincidence threw out the ceremonial first pitch today!). Link - ( New Window )
p.s.--Brings back memories of Ron Guidry's brilliant two-hitter vs Angels in 1978!
That said, while we haven't missed Cole, I still miss watching the best pitcher in all of baseball do his thing. Can't wait until he comes back.
Who would replace him? Hamilton? I get nit wanting to break the bank, but to compete for World Series titles, you either have to have great young players in the farm system, or open up that checkbook. George did what had to be done. Hal needs to take the example of his father. Winning is everything.
But to answer your question, I don't know who's going to replace Holmes. Just like, at this time last year, I didn't even know who Luke Weaver, Nick Burdi and Victor Gonzalas were. I didn't know that this bullpen would be so good that Ron Marinaccio, who was pretty good last year, can't even crack this roster. So I'm not going to lose any sleep over who the closer is going to be next year.
So the real question is, do we pony up for Holmes ? Since Section 125 mentioned Hader, he's getting $19mil X 5. Thats the benchmark. Is Holmes worth it ? In my mind absolutely not. A closer who demands that kind of money should be someone who is consistent and reliable. Its someone who can roll up bad teams with a 10 or 15 pitch 1-2-3 inning, not a guy who is constantly giving you 25 - 30 pitch nail biters and who is ultimately bailed out by great plays and horrible calls that go his way. Which BTW means he can't pitch the next day. The best closers may have a bad game or two, but then they bounce back. They don't go into weeks long funks, where you have to have another guy warming up in the ninth, just in case.
Don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to run Holmes out of town. If they can sign him to a reasonable 2 year extension great. If he can become a lights out closer, great. If he can't maybe he goes back to being a setup man, not the end of the world. But if he is signed to a Hader/Diaz like contract, they're married to him for the next 4+ years. He's had a good two months, but he's never demonstrated he's worth that.
You know, the "pop-up" point: "There it is, guys."
Seen some embarrassing "points" before, but 430 right over your head, I don't know.