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Trouble brewing in Dallas? Let’s hope so

shocktheworld : 6/24/2024 7:36 pm
Add this to the QB future plan/extend Dak, extending Lamb (big bucks ala JJ contract), overturned OL, new DC/system and now friction at the top?

Yes please! Dallas might implode in 2024, let’s hope we’re taking a step as it happens…might help us get back to a WC (ceiling for this year IMO)
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/24/2024 7:40 pm : link
As someone who thinks BB can still coach & will be roaming some sideline in '25, I'm not sure this is good news.
Article is pretty general, nothing close to specific  
j_rud : 6/24/2024 7:43 pm : link
but you have to wonder how McCarthy feels about being allowed to enter the final year of his contract after going 12-5 each of the past 3 seasons (with 2 division titles).
Until the Giants beat them  
PepperJ52 : 6/24/2024 7:48 pm : link
the fuckin Cowboys are the best team in the league.
Wasn't this basically known when Jones said they were going to run it  
robbieballs2003 : 6/24/2024 7:51 pm : link
back this offseason? It seems Jerry is fed up with the lack of post season success and basically said you get one more year to fix it. This was for McCarthy and Dak. Basically win or else. I'm sure McCarthy wasn't happy about them doing little to improve the team.
McCarthy being fired is bad news  
UConn4523 : 6/24/2024 7:54 pm : link
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imo…  
IchabodGiant : 6/24/2024 8:13 pm : link
They would pursue Vrabel before Bill.
With Elliot back and the soft middle of the Giants defense the  
Jack Stroud : 6/24/2024 8:37 pm : link
cowturds will have an easy time with the Giants.
The middle of the Giants defense...  
Brown_Hornet : 6/24/2024 8:40 pm : link
...is soft?
RE: The middle of the Giants defense...  
BigBlueShock : 6/24/2024 8:46 pm : link
In comment 16542130 Brown_Hornet said:
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...is soft?

Jack Stroud is a troll.
Been  
Toth029 : 6/24/2024 8:58 pm : link
Hearing it may be Zach Martin's last year. This is their year or they may very well be starting over next spring. Hint: it won't go well in Big D this year.
RE: The middle of the Giants defense...  
GruningsOnTheHill : 6/24/2024 11:30 pm : link
In comment 16542130 Brown_Hornet said:
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...is soft?

+1
What you talkin' about, Willis?
We need Will McClay…  
Racer : 6/24/2024 11:38 pm : link
…to get fed up, step out of his comfort zone and take his obvious personnel expertise to a true GM job.

Jerry’s roster quality and W-L record will then take care of itself.
RE: imo…  
BlackLight : 6/25/2024 12:09 am : link
In comment 16542114 IchabodGiant said:
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They would pursue Vrabel before Bill.


I agree. And I think Bill would rather be in any number of other locations than in Dallas, in a power struggle with Jerry Jones.
with the current market where it is  
Giantsfan79 : 6/25/2024 5:40 am : link
it might cost the Boys $130ish million per year just to retain Prescott, Lamb and Parsons.
RE: With Elliot back and the soft middle of the Giants defense the  
SoZKillA : 6/25/2024 7:24 am : link
In comment 16542129 Jack Stroud said:
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cowturds will have an easy time with the Giants.


How dumb are you?
Elliot is a shell of his former self.  
johnnyb : 6/25/2024 7:33 am : link
This and a less talented OL will put pressure on Dak, which can go either way.
Let’s beat them first  
Mike in NY : 6/25/2024 7:37 am : link
Before we talk about their demise
RE: ...  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 6/25/2024 7:50 am : link
In comment 16542090 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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As someone who thinks BB can still coach & will be roaming some sideline in '25, I'm not sure this is good news.


Honest question what have you seen to make you think a HC who wants more control would be a fit with a family that wants more control?

Seems like something that is an incredible long shot and even if it happened would end badly in 2-3 years

If he's waiting for a particular job....

Regardless, a 70 something running around with 20 something year olds doesn't look like someone dying to get back into coaching
RE: Let’s beat them first  
Costy16 : 6/25/2024 8:40 am : link
In comment 16542226 Mike in NY said:
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Before we talk about their demise


This.
RE: Let’s beat them first  
rebel yell : 6/25/2024 8:47 am : link
In comment 16542226 Mike in NY said:
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Before we talk about their demise

I'm in violent agreement.
Unless they make a deep playoff push  
Biteymax22 : 6/25/2024 8:53 am : link
There's going to be change in Dallas. The front office has put together a lot of very talented teams who should have gone further than they did. The results aren't matching the potential and I can see Jerry making a "tough decision" to move on from either Dak or McCarthy and starting fresh.
I don’t see Belichick ever working for Jones  
BigBlueShock : 6/25/2024 9:05 am : link
But that roster of cheerleaders may be too much for him to turn down. There’s a ton of talent in that lineup
Dallas has done a fantastic job of acquiring talent  
UberAlias : 6/25/2024 9:11 am : link
But in almost every other area they have been poor and the success due to the strength of their roster has masked the other issues. You get to a point where a collection of talent alone cannot carry you.
Like others have said on this thread  
Rick in Dallas : 6/25/2024 9:22 am : link
Can we just beat the hated Cowboys.
I see them retaining Dak and getting a new coach after the ‘24 season
If they re-sign the big 3 it’s incumbent on McClay to continue to draft good talent around the big 3.
RE: RE: Let’s beat them first  
Mike in NY : 6/25/2024 9:32 am : link
In comment 16542248 rebel yell said:
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In comment 16542226 Mike in NY said:


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Before we talk about their demise


I'm in violent agreement.


No need for violence here
Every Year  
JaxGiant : 6/25/2024 9:34 am : link
We see they lose players or coaches and they're not going to be as good but they seem to be able replace people at will and still win.
LOL at McCarthy being fed up  
JohnF : 6/25/2024 9:56 am : link
He was lucky to win his only SuperBowl as a wild card, despite having talented teams with two of the best QB's of our era, Aaron Rodgers.

McCarthy has a history of under performing with talented teams. His playoff record is 11-10. Yes, he's a fine regular season coach, but his teams are typically undisciplined and make critical mistakes, especially during the playoffs.

The only reason Jones hasn't fired him is likely McCarthy's contract, as Jones hates to pay coaches to sit. He's hung on to other HC's for the same reason. Unless McCarthy advances deep into the playoffs, I expect him to be dumped for the most attractive HC candidate in 2025.

Two most talented QB's of our Era  
JohnF : 6/25/2024 9:58 am : link
Brett Farve and Aaron Rodgers.
RE: RE: ...  
compton : 6/25/2024 10:43 am : link
In comment 16542229 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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In comment 16542090 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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As someone who thinks BB can still coach & will be roaming some sideline in '25, I'm not sure this is good news.



Honest question what have you seen to make you think a HC who wants more control would be a fit with a family that wants more control?

Seems like something that is an incredible long shot and even if it happened would end badly in 2-3 years

If he's waiting for a particular job....

Regardless, a 70 something running around with 20 something year olds doesn't look like someone dying to get back into coaching


If BB wants to get back into coaching then Dallas is an ideal destination. He will have to give up some power, and I think he would be willing to do that for a couple of years in order to win a Super Bowl and pass Don Shula for most regular season wins. The man does have an ego.
Comparison to Detroit years ago  
Longtimelurker : 6/25/2024 11:59 am : link
Didn’t Suh, Stafford and Calvin tie up most of the cap and then the depth was a bunch of guys off the street? Hope it happens to the cowboys with Dak, Lamb and Micah.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
Costy16 : 6/25/2024 11:59 am : link
In comment 16542314 compton said:
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In comment 16542229 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:


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In comment 16542090 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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As someone who thinks BB can still coach & will be roaming some sideline in '25, I'm not sure this is good news.



Honest question what have you seen to make you think a HC who wants more control would be a fit with a family that wants more control?

Seems like something that is an incredible long shot and even if it happened would end badly in 2-3 years

If he's waiting for a particular job....

Regardless, a 70 something running around with 20 something year olds doesn't look like someone dying to get back into coaching



If BB wants to get back into coaching then Dallas is an ideal destination. He will have to give up some power, and I think he would be willing to do that for a couple of years in order to win a Super Bowl and pass Don Shula for most regular season wins. The man does have an ego.


Can't see that ego dealing with Jerry Jones.
Personally, I can’t really  
Keaton028 : 6/25/2024 12:59 pm : link
care about what is happening with other teams until the Giants get better. I am not knocking those who want to discuss Dallas, but one of the negative parts of the Giants being bad is that I just can’t get into the rivalries like I could when we were perennially decent. My hate for the other NFC East teams doesn’t wax as hot when we stink.
RE: RE: ...  
kickoff : 6/25/2024 1:26 pm : link
In comment 16542229 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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In comment 16542090 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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As someone who thinks BB can still coach & will be roaming some sideline in '25, I'm not sure this is good news.



Honest question what have you seen to make you think a HC who wants more control would be a fit with a family that wants more control?

Seems like something that is an incredible long shot and even if it happened would end badly in 2-3 years

If he's waiting for a particular job....

Regardless, a 70 something running around with 20 something year olds doesn't look like someone dying to get back into coaching

Don't get this BB thing. Is 70ish and last few years certainly hasn't lighted up his resume.
color me skeptical when I see quotes like this:  
djm : 6/25/2024 1:54 pm : link
"an ex-Cowboys personnel man recently said"

Also, regarding this line, "Mike McCarthy's name may soon be added to the list of former Cowboys coaches who grew tired of working under Jerry Jones." -----how many former HCs other than Jimmy Johnson left Dallas because of any so called tensions with Jones? I don't even recall Parcells saying or acknowledging any issues with ownership in Dallas. Garrett was shit canned. Every other HC there sucked and was canned. McCarthy has been there a few years now and has lasted longer than any of these so called experts predicted. We don't need to own up to those laughably wrong takes I guess? Let's just double down.

McCarthy was going to be fired last season if Dallas didn't make the NFC title game. I was told that so many times I lost count. WRONG. Now he's unhappy.....and some former coach there is the source. No name. Just a title.

BULLShit until proven otherwise.

and believe me  
djm : 6/25/2024 2:00 pm : link
nothing warms my heart more than tension and misery in Dallas. I aint buyin any of this shit until the team loses a lot of games.

They may fire McCarthy if they don't win in January I could see that, but who really cares if the HC is angry right now. IF he wins big there he's going to get an extension in Dallas. It would be all smiles at the PC if they have a big postseason run. Perish the thought.
I can't believe how much traction this story has gotten  
fanatic II : 6/25/2024 3:11 pm : link
The writer mentions "sources", but after reading and listening to other Dallas insiders none of them have heard this. It's speculation, that's all.

It's the slow season so I can see how this story has grown legs, but once training camp begins this will be forgotten.
RE: Been  
fanatic II : 6/25/2024 3:18 pm : link
In comment 16542135 Toth029 said:
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Hearing it may be Zach Martin's last year. This is their year or they may very well be starting over next spring. Hint: it won't go well in Big D this year.


That's why Dallas drafted three OL this year. If Martin retires next year his replacement is on the team(probably Cooper Beebe). Kneeland was drafted to replace Lawrence who is also on the last year of contract.

Dallas has done well in drafting future starters. That's why they haven't used free agency in a while.
RE: We need Will McClay…  
fanatic II : 6/25/2024 3:22 pm : link
In comment 16542206 Racer said:
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…to get fed up, step out of his comfort zone and take his obvious personnel expertise to a true GM job.

Jerry’s roster quality and W-L record will then take care of itself.


Winner, winner, chicken dinner
I'm looking for both the Turds and the Iggles to implode  
markky : 6/25/2024 3:44 pm : link
The Eagles have been particularly well run, but eventually players age and you have to pay the piper. It's coming.
RE: I'm looking for both the Turds and the Iggles to implode  
fanatic II : 6/25/2024 3:53 pm : link
In comment 16542513 markky said:
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The Eagles have been particularly well run, but eventually players age and you have to pay the piper. It's coming.


The last time Dallas imploded was 2010.

Romo got injured, Phillips lost the team and was fired week 9.

It's been awhile.
RE: I'm looking for both the Turds and the Iggles to implode  
BMCBikes : 6/25/2024 4:04 pm : link
In comment 16542513 markky said:
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The Eagles have been particularly well run, but eventually players age and you have to pay the piper. It's coming.


Sad the once proud & mighty NY Giants have to hope other teams implode so they won't look so bad. I hate the Cowboys and the Eagles, but until the Giants get a real QB and beat both teams consistently, they're in a race for 3rd or 4th place in the East.
Dallas  
stretch234 : 6/25/2024 5:49 pm : link
The Giants can’t block Parsons or anyone else
The Giants can’t stop Lamb
The Giants don’t pressure Dak
The Giants don’t cover their TE
The Giants don’t get open

The Giants don’t beat the Cowboys - sadly
The single biggest  
mittenedman : 6/25/2024 9:31 pm : link
coaching loss in the NFL last year was DAL losing Quinn. Crushing blow.
RE: The single biggest  
fanatic II : 6/26/2024 1:29 am : link
In comment 16542739 mittenedman said:
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coaching loss in the NFL last year was DAL losing Quinn. Crushing blow.


Not a crushing blow. Just a different style of defense.

Dallas will probably have less turnovers and sacks, but they will be more disciplined, be better against the run, and be better on 3rd down getting off the field.

Quinn's defense was high risk, high reward. Zimmer's defense will be about doing your job and knowing your assignments. In a baseball analogy it's playing small ball to score runs instead of waiting for the three run homer.

Dallas lucked out in getting Zimmer. The defense will be good enough to win with.
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