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10 reasons why the Giants will be a dumpster fire

Vin_Cuccs : 6/25/2024 10:08 am
A Philadelphia reporter does a series every summer about rival NFC East teams. This reporter looks at the top 10 reasons why each team will be, in his words, a “dumpster fire.”

While vitriolic, this reporter is usually accurate.

Be careful with responses, because he has been known to publicly shame fans of the opposing teams.

The Cowboys were yesterday, the Giants are today, the Commanders are tomorrow, and the Eagles are Thursday. Friday is usually a summary of all the explicit reactions from fans.

Link below.
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These are always a pretty good undressing they do on teams.  
nygiantfan : 6/25/2024 10:14 am : link
I did like this one-

"Schoen replaced Dave Gettleman, which is about as low a bar as a general manager could ask for, and there's an argument to be made that Gettleman was better than Schoen has been so far."
Is it accurate that Runyan will be RG  
gersh : 6/25/2024 10:16 am : link
and Jermaine E at LG?

I was certain it was the other way around?
RE: Is it accurate that Runyan will be RG  
bLiTz 2k : 6/25/2024 10:18 am : link
In comment 16542285 gersh said:
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and Jermaine E at LG?

I was certain it was the other way around?


That's how they lined up in OTAs.
Well, they certainly know better than me  
gersh : 6/25/2024 10:22 am : link
But seems to be an odd decision
I'm guessing it was to see how they do and may flip them back soon.

As an aside, this guy seems to know more about the Giants than most of the local beat guys. Well done
mostly accruate  
uther99 : 6/25/2024 10:24 am : link
But saying 1 draft pick was "good" is a stretch, and questioning whether Thomas is good is ridiculous. But he is being argumentative, as advertised
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/25/2024 10:28 am : link
He brings up fair points about Schoen.
RE: Well, they certainly know better than me  
Section331 : 6/25/2024 10:31 am : link
In comment 16542291 gersh said:
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But seems to be an odd decision
I'm guessing it was to see how they do and may flip them back soon.

As an aside, this guy seems to know more about the Giants than most of the local beat guys. Well done


Runyon is a better OG than Eluemunor and has played RG for GB, they want the better player next to Neal to give him every chance to succeed. And if Neal isn’t up to it, he can move to LG, where he played at Bama for a season.
RE: mostly accruate  
HomerJones45 : 6/25/2024 10:36 am : link
In comment 16542293 uther99 said:
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But saying 1 draft pick was "good" is a stretch, and questioning whether Thomas is good is ridiculous. But he is being argumentative, as advertised
?? The article literally says "Thomas has developed into a good pro, . ."
RE: …  
HomerJones45 : 6/25/2024 10:39 am : link
In comment 16542299 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He brings up fair points about Schoen.
Yep.
RE: RE: Well, they certainly know better than me  
gersh : 6/25/2024 10:54 am : link
In comment 16542302 Section331 said:
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In comment 16542291 gersh said:


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But seems to be an odd decision
I'm guessing it was to see how they do and may flip them back soon.

As an aside, this guy seems to know more about the Giants than most of the local beat guys. Well done



Runyon is a better OG than Eluemunor and has played RG for GB, they want the better player next to Neal to give him every chance to succeed. And if Neal isn’t up to it, he can move to LG, where he played at Bama for a season.


I didn't realize Runyan played RG last season.

I found this
Runyan started all 17 games at right guard in 2023 and allowed just 22 total pressures and two sacks, according to Pro Football Focus. His 92.4 pass rush win rate ranked ninth among all guards, according to ESPN Stats and Info.

Runyan started all 17 games for the Packers in 2022, with 11 at right guard and six at left guard. He started all 17 games at left guard for Green Bay in 2021.
For a piece that's 100 percent vitriolic  
PHX Giants Fan : 6/25/2024 11:08 am : link
A fair amount of that was pretty spot-on.
Just when I was starting to feel a little better about this season  
Giantgator : 6/25/2024 11:09 am : link
...
 
christian : 6/25/2024 11:12 am : link
RE: These are always a pretty good undressing they do on teams.  
TinVA : 6/25/2024 11:15 am : link
In comment 16542284 nygiantfan said:
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I did like this one-

"Schoen replaced Dave Gettleman, which is about as low a bar as a general manager could ask for, and there's an argument to be made that Gettleman was better than Schoen has been so far."


This one ^ should make you think. Is Schoen better than Gettleman????
It's  
Pete in MD : 6/25/2024 11:35 am : link
a very negative outlook of course (he calls Andrew Thomas "a good pro"), but that guy does his research.
RE: RE: These are always a pretty good undressing they do on teams.  
TrueBlue56 : 6/25/2024 11:54 am : link
In comment 16542333 TinVA said:
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In comment 16542284 nygiantfan said:


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I did like this one-

"Schoen replaced Dave Gettleman, which is about as low a bar as a general manager could ask for, and there's an argument to be made that Gettleman was better than Schoen has been so far."



This one ^ should make you think. Is Schoen better than Gettleman????


Can we give the players schoen drafted time to develop before comparing him to gettleman. Andrew Thomas took going into his 3rd year to shut the doubters up. Dexter didn't become who he was until he was switched to DT.

Schoen has had 2 drafts where players have played. There is definite talent and we have seen promise of development, but again this is his 3rd draft.
Well...  
dannyman3131 : 6/25/2024 12:00 pm : link
The Sheagles lost once (In a game Hurts started) and should have lost twice if it wasn't for a horrific non-PI call in the 4 quarter to the team that was unquestionable bad last year.

The Giants got better, I'm optimistic in saying, a good amount better.

Also, the Eagles suck.





#9 is what bothers me  
Rory : 6/25/2024 12:05 pm : link
the most. I'm not going to that stadium until they make alot of changes.
RE: …  
Go Terps : 6/25/2024 12:09 pm : link
In comment 16542332 christian said:
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Amazing visualization.
He’s not wrong,  
darren in pdx : 6/25/2024 12:23 pm : link
pretty easy to dunk on a team that can do nothing right for over a decade. It’s hard to be optimistic that the million of things that need to go right for the team to move forward actually will.
I don't think the Giants will be a dumpster fire next season  
56goat : 6/25/2024 12:25 pm : link
but that certainly is a possibility. A little under .500 is my guess and it is also fair to question the performance of JS & BD so far. Not Gettleman level, but still a lot of questionable moves, headlined by the DJ contract.
Some pretty accurate points  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/25/2024 12:31 pm : link
made. Crap run game and run defense. Daboll's gimmicky run game is not cutting it and it impacts the D. Got the hot head and passing the blame correct.

Then all the Schoen issues. Big year for both.
Buffalo loss was completely on Tyrod Taylor  
Sam Huff : 6/25/2024 12:35 pm : link
What a complete moron he is.
Ouch! None of that was unfair  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/25/2024 1:13 pm : link
…and it’s hard to argue any of it, except about the draft picks. I think Schoen drafted more than 1 good player, but this is a big prove it year for guys like Robinson, Flott, Banks, Shmitz and Hyatt.

If those guys don’t play up to their Day 1 or Day 2 slots, then Schoen will really be on the hot seat.
RE: For a piece that's 100 percent vitriolic  
Scooter185 : 6/25/2024 1:29 pm : link
In comment 16542325 PHX Giants Fan said:
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A fair amount of that was pretty spot-on.


The sad part is his bit is supposed to be almost parody (he'll bash the eagles as well) but it's so true.
RE: Ouch! None of that was unfair  
Mbavaro : 6/25/2024 1:43 pm : link
In comment 16542436 sb from NYT Forum said:
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…and it’s hard to argue any of it, except about the draft picks. I think Schoen drafted more than 1 good player, but this is a big prove it year for guys like Robinson, Flott, Banks, Shmitz and Hyatt.

If those guys don’t play up to their Day 1 or Day 2 slots, then Schoen will really be on the hot seat.


Banks and Robinson didn’t show you anything last year?

I’d strongly disagree with that

The others you mentioned I would agree with
RE: RE: These are always a pretty good undressing they do on teams.  
kickoff : 6/25/2024 1:58 pm : link
In comment 16542333 TinVA said:
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In comment 16542284 nygiantfan said:


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I did like this one-

"Schoen replaced Dave Gettleman, which is about as low a bar as a general manager could ask for, and there's an argument to be made that Gettleman was better than Schoen has been so far."



This one ^ should make you think. Is Schoen better than Gettleman????


C'mon guys, too easily swayed. Shoen took over a shipwreck and IMO has done the best he could to start with. Gettleman has taken severe abuse on this board. Now, because of the article, we're ready to say Gettleman was better.
RE: RE: RE: These are always a pretty good undressing they do on teams.  
nygiantfan : 6/25/2024 2:08 pm : link
In comment 16542472 kickoff said:
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In comment 16542333 TinVA said:


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In comment 16542284 nygiantfan said:


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I did like this one-

"Schoen replaced Dave Gettleman, which is about as low a bar as a general manager could ask for, and there's an argument to be made that Gettleman was better than Schoen has been so far."



This one ^ should make you think. Is Schoen better than Gettleman????



C'mon guys, too easily swayed. Shoen took over a shipwreck and IMO has done the best he could to start with. Gettleman has taken severe abuse on this board. Now, because of the article, we're ready to say Gettleman was better.


Who says we're ready?
Most of that stuff was valid  
JoeyBigBlue : 6/25/2024 2:13 pm : link
But the points made about Daboll and Schoen were the most eye opening thing in the entire article. These guys have one more year to prove they belong, or they both should be fired. They have not been good enough POINT BLANK.
 
christian : 6/25/2024 2:18 pm : link
That's a tough read, when reality is more sad than the joke.
Alot of hard truths  
HardTruth : 6/25/2024 2:19 pm : link
In that piece
RE: …  
eric2425ny : 6/25/2024 2:33 pm : link
In comment 16542332 christian said:
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Perfect analysis lol.
Gettleman was the worst non-Matt Millen GM I've ever seen  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2024 2:36 pm : link
So yeah, while it might not say much, Schoen is better than Gettleman.
Schoen is definitely better than Gettleman  
moespree : 6/25/2024 2:48 pm : link
But I do agree it's not a high bar to cross. And Schoen hasn't exactly lit it up as a GM either.

It's a big year for him and Daboll for sure.
Agree with most of this  
The Mike : 6/25/2024 2:50 pm : link
The Brian Burns criticism is off base. And I don't agree with the harsh treatment of Daboll. I would argue that he is the best coach in the NFC East at the moment. That may change in 2024, but if it does, it will be largely due to Schoen's blunders. Which at this point, if we are being honest and not looking at unproven potential, is indeed worse than Gettleman. The DJ contract itself is far and away worse than anything Gettleman ever did. And his free agents/trades other than Okereke and the possibility of Burns have been a disaster. The draft picks do have some promise, but that is all it is at this point. Potential.

Our QB/OL/RBs are the worst collection of players in those combined groups in the NFL. The WRs appear to be the best of that group for this franchise since the days of Nicks/Cruz/Manningham, but I have zero confidence that DJ can actually take advantage of the talent of this group. Maybe Lock can step up under Daboll when DJ inevitably fails? The defense is better than the article suggests, but like 2017, can they be good late in games when they have been on the field 70% of the time? I doubt it.

"Dumpster fire", though a bit harsh and utterly offensive given the Philadelphia source, is not an unrealistic descriptor for this franchise until proven otherwise.
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Go Terps : 6/25/2024 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16542491 christian said:
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That's a tough read, when reality is more sad than the joke.

That article is supposed to read like The Onion, but could easily be a piece in The Athletic.

I think there are realistic scenarios where this season is a complete shitshow, and I wonder if that's what would best serve the long term interests of the organization.
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Sean : 6/25/2024 3:09 pm : link
In comment 16542500 Go Terps said:
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That's a tough read, when reality is more sad than the joke.


That article is supposed to read like The Onion, but could easily be a piece in The Athletic.

I think there are realistic scenarios where this season is a complete shitshow, and I wonder if that's what would best serve the long term interests of the organization.

It depends. Does a total shitshow just lead to Ben Johnson? If so, I'd say that wouldn't be good. It would need to bring in a Harbaugh type program builder.
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Scooter185 : 6/25/2024 3:10 pm : link
In comment 16542500 Go Terps said:
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In comment 16542491 christian said:


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That's a tough read, when reality is more sad than the joke.


That article is supposed to read like The Onion, but could easily be a piece in The Athletic.

I think there are realistic scenarios where this season is a complete shitshow, and I wonder if that's what would best serve the long term interests of the organization.


We thought that last time it was a complete clown show. It looked promising to start and has since slid backward. Another bad year and we could slide beyond even the Gettleman years
Some of the Schoen criticisms are warranted and some are unfair.  
BLUATHRT : 6/25/2024 3:18 pm : link
His first season he had virtually no salary cap. the last two offseasons he was trying to stay afloat without hamstringing the team with long-term contracts. The draft pics have been just ok to this point, but the parts may be greater than the sum. DJ not as a franchise deal over Barkley was his biggest mistake. The roster as a whole needs a lot of work but a transformative player or two can quickly change that.
RE: RE: RE: …  
Go Terps : 6/25/2024 3:53 pm : link
In comment 16542501 Sean said:
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In comment 16542500 Go Terps said:


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In comment 16542491 christian said:


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That's a tough read, when reality is more sad than the joke.


That article is supposed to read like The Onion, but could easily be a piece in The Athletic.

I think there are realistic scenarios where this season is a complete shitshow, and I wonder if that's what would best serve the long term interests of the organization.


It depends. Does a total shitshow just lead to Ben Johnson? If so, I'd say that wouldn't be good. It would need to bring in a Harbaugh type program builder.


Well they could have (and I'd argue should have) just offered him the sun, moon, and stars...but they didn't. I think this organization thinks they're close to really competing. We'll see if they're right.
Schoen hasn't made as bad a draft pick as Barkley  
BigBlueCane : 6/25/2024 4:08 pm : link
like DG.

Problem is, he hasn't made one as good as Thomas or Dexter.

that's the hard part to deal with.
I actually think  
Biteymax22 : 6/25/2024 4:09 pm : link
he dialed it back this year...
Giants are ranked dead last in Starters  
JoeyBigBlue : 6/25/2024 4:11 pm : link
Across the entire NFL by a panel on this ESPN+ Article. Man, I was hopeful on Schoen but this is not looking good.
ESPN+ Article - ( New Window )
RE: Schoen hasn't made as bad a draft pick as Barkley  
compton : 6/25/2024 4:16 pm : link
In comment 16542538 BigBlueCane said:
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like DG.

Problem is, he hasn't made one as good as Thomas or Dexter.

that's the hard part to deal with.



He did. They are Thibodeaux and Nabors.
RE: Schoen hasn't made as bad a draft pick as Barkley  
The Mike : 6/25/2024 5:10 pm : link
In comment 16542538 BigBlueCane said:
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like DG.

Problem is, he hasn't made one as good as Thomas or Dexter.

that's the hard part to deal with.


Evan Neal may be one of the biggest busts ever to be drafted... Hard to fault Schoen given Neal's pre-draft pedigree, but he is undoubtedly worse than Barkley.
RE: Giants are ranked dead last in Starters  
uconngiant : 6/25/2024 7:07 pm : link
In comment 16542543 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Across the entire NFL by a panel on this ESPN+ Article. Man, I was hopeful on Schoen but this is not looking good. ESPN+ Article - ( New Window )


The season is not played in the papers or online but on the football field. I will wait as they have been wrong many times before
RE: RE: Ouch! None of that was unfair  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/25/2024 7:26 pm : link
In comment 16542460 Mbavaro said:
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Banks and Robinson didn’t show you anything last year?
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From where in my post did you get that Banks and Robinson didn’t show me anything last year? SMH some of you have a real problem with reading comprehension.
RE: RE: RE: Ouch! None of that was unfair  
Mbavaro : 6/25/2024 8:06 pm : link
In comment 16542665 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 16542460 Mbavaro said:
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Banks and Robinson didn’t show you anything last year?
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From where in my post did you get that Banks and Robinson didn’t show me anything last year? SMH some of you have a real problem with reading comprehension.


My reading comprehension is just fine
No need to be a jerk

You said they need to have a “prove it” year

Wouldn’t that indicate that they need to show something?

I’d say based on last year they don’t need to prove anything as they have already shown they are talented players
RE: RE: RE: RE: Ouch! None of that was unfair  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/25/2024 8:35 pm : link
In comment 16542691 Mbavaro said:
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In comment 16542665 sb from NYT Forum said:


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In comment 16542460 Mbavaro said:
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Banks and Robinson didn’t show you anything last year?


From where in my post did you get that Banks and Robinson didn’t show me anything last year? SMH some of you have a real problem with reading comprehension.



My reading comprehension is just fine
No need to be a jerk

You said they need to have a “prove it” year

Wouldn’t that indicate that they need to show something?

I’d say based on last year they don’t need to prove anything as they have already shown they are talented players [/quote]

Robinson has shown flashes, but he also has missed a lot of games to injuries, had only 500 yards last year and only 2 career TDs. He has potential, but has to show more.

Banks also showed potential, but this season he has to play like one of the better CBs in the league.

A lot the Day 1 and Day 2 guys Schoen drafted have shown potential, but the point is that the guys have to translate that into results, or Schoen will be in trouble, IMO.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Ouch! None of that was unfair  
ThomasG : 6/25/2024 9:46 pm : link
In comment 16542691 Mbavaro said:
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In comment 16542665 sb from NYT Forum said:


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In comment 16542460 Mbavaro said:
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Banks and Robinson didn’t show you anything last year?
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From where in my post did you get that Banks and Robinson didn’t show me anything last year? SMH some of you have a real problem with reading comprehension.



My reading comprehension is just fine
No need to be a jerk

You said they need to have a “prove it” year

Wouldn’t that indicate that they need to show something?

I’d say based on last year they don’t need to prove anything as they have already shown they are talented players


They haven’t proved much at all. Showing up sometimes, not showing up sometimes and not playing sometimes isn’t a plus player.

Their draft status is to be a consistent plus player. Until they are they haven’t proved it and the Giants probably won’t consistently win.
 
christian : 6/25/2024 9:48 pm : link
Banks had a respectable campaign as a rookie, but he had an up and down year.
RE: Giants are ranked dead last in Starters  
Toth029 : 6/26/2024 8:25 am : link
In comment 16542543 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Across the entire NFL by a panel on this ESPN+ Article. Man, I was hopeful on Schoen but this is not looking good. ESPN+ Article - ( New Window )


They aren't worse than Washington.

These Dumpster Fire articles are fine, and I'll be curious if the writer is as harsh on his own team. Losing six out of the last seven is no joke, including the single win there playing as poorly as they did.
When the other Philly reporter started writing this series...  
Jim in Tampa : 6/26/2024 11:05 am : link
the articles were actually funny. They contained a number of humorous exaggerations, like when he referred to Eli as "the greatest mediocre QB ever!"

Now, with this writer, it's just unfunny exaggerations, such as... "There's like one guy from those two draft classes (22 and 23) who is clearly a good player".

I will say though that the DJ graphic would have been a little funny, if it wasn't so sadly true.
Mostly solid work, and hard to argue with...  
Big Blue Blogger : 6/26/2024 11:59 am : link
... although treating 2021 as part of the Schoen/Daboll era in #7 makes me wonder about his grasp of the subject matter.
Ripping  
Toth029 : 6/26/2024 12:42 pm : link
A team for not signing a S to top tier deal but then criticizing them for signing a pass rusher for a top tier deal is just dumb. But I suppose that's his gimmick.
Wow, that was sobering.  
LS : 6/26/2024 2:14 pm : link
I was kinda excited for the season, but hard to argue with much of anything he said.
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