Dave Gettleman named Panthers' GM

Next man up!

but how do we as fans have any idea how good our individual personnel guys are? Its an honest question - I have no idea how I'd evaluate this guy or Marc Ross.

was hoping they got Ross, instead. Ouch.

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Nextman up

Did a nice job for us over the years!

You would pick Gettleman over Ross based on what exactly?

...Marc Ross is going to be the next Jets GM?

He did a GREAT job with us.

...any reason why you have a preference? I asked someone in the other thread. I'm just curious on why you prefer one or the other. Anyway, hopefully the Giants created a culture where there will be a seamless transition to the next guy.

already turned down the Jest.

and best of luck to him!

Gettleman's position was new and I would doubt that he will be replaced in that role.

Excellent for him. Well deserved.

Did a great job here for years in pro personnel. Gonna be missed. I wish him well even though he went an NFC rival (an opponent that we'll be seeing on the road next year too).

stevie brown, etc. he has a good track record. not sure if hes the guy who discovered cruz though, mightve been a giants scout

But next man up.

to lose him, but as others have noted, it's well deserved. It also says something positive about how other teams view our FO. Best of luck.

Damn you!

It's not as if we're losing TC and/or Reese..

All the best to him

Um, yes, it's just a little bit important. The GM and HC aren't the only guys in the organization that matter...

With "The Rug" consulting down in Carolina for Richardson, all that any team had to do to keep their execs from being noticed was to dress them up as Offensive Lineman. The Rug wouldn't have even bothered to notice them.

Has paid his dues and likely wanted the opportunity as I dont think he is all that young and you never know about a future opportunity. He is a very good hire for them.

important to keep your talent on and off the field. That said, congrats to DG.

and apparently we still have Ross..Nothing major to see here, sorry

I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not.

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Ernie running things there.

...according to the NY Daily News he's scheduled to meet with them tomorrow.

Because Reese has a heavy scout background and formerly held that same position,

Few people in the front office can claim to have Gettleman's resume. The guy was involved in 4-5 super bowl winners. very accomplished.

success will do that it will be interesting off season
see how others view our FA's .

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.....Next man up is Sternfeld and he was promoted already last year mort christenson : 5:13 pm Gettleman's position was new and I would doubt that he will be replaced in that role.

"....Gettleman's position was new and I would doubt that he will be replaced in that role...."

If it was new and it's doubtful it will be re-filled, how important is his loss again?

Or have I misread/misunderstood the post?

But Would rather have lost Ross, Hopefully There is a job out there for Ross.

Than it would be to lose Ross or not.

Like when you're watching the games. You follow the ball. But there's a whole other world out there besides where the ball is.

This was his first season as "Senior Pro Personnel Analyst." His previous 13 seasons here he was "just" the "Pro Personnel Analyst." He's quite accomplished.
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it's a funny read.

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Its a matter of simply reading his bio and seeing what he's done. Dave Gettleman is a pretty accomplished exec. Ross is younger and doesn't have quite the resume. but he does seem to have an eye for college talent. He's more seen as a riser and a future GM prospect.

can you explain that post I referenced?

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I "take my eye off the Ball."

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does leave, I'd like to see Reese have a duel role like he did in 2007, prior to Ross getting the position. That was our best draft, and that meant Reese had to do the GM role, as well as his old job. So I want to see what Reese can do again with both jobs.

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guys like Locklear, Boothe, Hixon, Brown, the FB from the Rams (senior moment here), and all our UFA signings come through the Pro Personnel Dept. Gettleman has been a gem for us.

worked together on that in addition to other duties?

so Reese(other than actual signings) had little input into what Gettleman "got us?"

But his department is responsible for scouting all of the pro players and available players who are beyond their draft year as each season and offseason goes on. Certainly, when a player comes in for a workout I'd presume that Reese and the coaches also watch those. But the Pro Personnel Dept. is charged with that type of scouting, so they're the "lead dog" so to speak.

What point are you trying to make? No one works in a vacuum. And I doubt anyone here is trying to take credit away from Reese, Ross, or anyone else. Gettleman was an integral part of that group. His track record speaks for itself. Minimizing his loss is just head-scratching.

Made by pro personnel. It's not Reese's job to be constantly aware of all potentially available free agents. it's Pro Personnel's job to have that library of info and recommendations available to the GM.

Apologies to you and others on this thread. I don't usually follow the machinations of the administration aside from Ross, Reese and Abrams..I didn't realize the input he had..I was wrong..

Question then is, can his loss be mitigated by all involved including the new guy?

in that NYG will not suffer in their ability to source product..ie good UDFA, RFA, etc....change can be good if the core is in place....count me as not overly worried....

but it's always a pain to lose good people to advancement in the same way it's a pain to lose skilled employees to other companies. I don't think most people know who the new guy is yet. I don't.

aren't totally broadsided by this and/or have thought about, if not been solicited, for a replacement...

they are tuned into the inside operations of the team and 99% of them are talking straight out of their ass. Unless you can pinpoint specifically what has made Gettleman a more substantial loss than Ross would be, please don't chime in with an opinion on it. You just sound ignorant.

Is more difficult to replace that Ross. How do you replace the experience of 25 years in the NFL, working in the front offices of 13 playoff teams and 5 or 6 super bowl teams? it's not taking anything away from Ross to say such a thing, nor is it just talking out of one's ass.

is never a good thing, but I am absolutely certain that the Giants have capable lieutenants ready and able to step up to fill Gettleman's shoes. As for losing Ross versus Gettleman, I do believe that Dave (at age 61) is getting his only shot while the much younger Ross, if the fact that he had four teams interested in interviewing him this offseason, will have ample opportunity for future employment.

you would figure we will lose some internal gems

but I understand most teams structures based on past football experience.. So then it would seem Gettleman held (at least in name) the position that Ken Sternfeld currently holds before Gettlman was named Pro Personnel Director before the 2011 season.. it will be interesting to see if someone else is promoted or someone else is brought in.. whether it be for experience or if someone is promoted then another guy to aid and learn..

I do think Ross has a lot of input on our team however, and he is also valuable..

be rejoicing the loss of the individual responsible for ..

Boley
Bernard
Canty
Rolle

Also, an not taking anything away from the guy but if he was so great then how did we still end up with guys like Carlos Emmons , Barret Green, LaVar Aarington ect...

unless we have the "gems" under contract, no?

we also had an all time great FA season when we picked up Plax, Pierce and Kareem McKenzie in one offseason

and whomever he picks as his assistant can provide us with the same quality as before. But that remains to be seen.

I always admired Parcells' philosophy of hiring assistants whom he felt were capable of ascending to a coordinator position over time. I wish that TC did more of that, especially on defense.

I think that Reese, and EA before him, have done a nice job in that respect....with lots of continuity and advancement through the ranks.

But what about going forward? The guy who found them in the past isn't going to be here to find them in the future.

Sternfeld was promoted into Gettleman's old spot this season. It's gonna be tough to overcome, but the Giants are a smart organization and must have been preparing themselves for this eventuality.

Who is this guy? I take it he worked in the Giants front office?

Good for him. I'm sure we'll somehow survive.

this ended up being better for the Giants.

The Giants promoted Gettleman's assistant, Ken Sternfeld, last year to Director of Pro Personnel. They were grooming him to replace the 61-year old Gettleman.

that move pushing Gettleman up a notch seemed to be a way to groom a successor. This seems like a short sighted move by the Panthers......he is in his early 60's.

and 61 isn't so old that it's going to hurt his ability to do his job. Experience has to be worth something too.

Gettleman has been a GM candidate before, the latest when he was considered in Cleveland (not surprisingly, a search lead by EA at the time). He's been the subject of articles on some of our FA gems (like Hedgecock). He's also helped BBI at a couple of points in time (seem to recall him arranging a tour for some BBIers some time back).

No reason a Giants fan should have no idea who he is, unless they're not paying attention.

then maybe Gettleman would have brought Perry Fewell with him down to Carolina to be their next H.C.

mediocre, teams are poaching our coaches & staff.

Good luck in you time down there

Have fun in Charlotte!

more worried about him grabbing some of our other personnel guys.

That's a likely issue here. Gettleman has worked so long in the Giants org., he's probably not going to drift away from people he is not familiar with and is likely to poach at least one top guy for one of the top scouting/personnel roles.

I am glad for Gettleman. Hopefully he goes out and helps them get a Super Bowl at some point in the next four or five years.

I look at this as an opportunity for some guys in the Giants org. to get promoted and prove their mettle even more. Gives a chance for new voices and ideas/opinions to be heard as well, and maybe get some young guy a shot in a lower level role as you move people up.

next man up

talk to the Giants to ask permission. He can't take scouts from the Giants under contract, executives as well. As I recall he can't even create positions for them. I remember the Chiefs having this issue when they look to change their entire front office a couple of years ago.

He could make one of our better scouts the Director of College Scouting.

Well earned. I wish him success.

Some of you guys are really whiny...

I thought he was just a "Pro Personnel Analyst". This could be a big loss.


Good luck Dave !

he's so fuking good. take our OC please

thru a good friend (he was coached by Dave in highschool) and may I say, what a nice guy he was. He gave my son Gavin and I field passes to practice and then brought us into the locker room after. My friend told him about my sons history and this busy man actually said, and you must be Gavin! Could not believe he remembered his name! That totally impressed me. Something I will never forget and I hope Gavin keeps that memory forever as well. So, good luck to you in your new position with the Panthers Mr. Gettleman. YOU are a class act from a class organization....thanks for the memories!

but like Eric, I think its better than Ross having been picked. Sternfeld is already in place, and Ross being the college scout is more important.

that's my opinion , you don't like it you know what you can do

because of his "long and decorated career". The announcement coming from them was a very good one talking about Gettleman's 15 year run where he has been with 5SB winners.

I haven't talked to anyone directly, but the finalists were Gettleman, Ross and some guy from the CFL who has madet he playoffs 19 years in a row (Popp, maybe?). They chose Gettleman for his experience and ability to work with more than just one NFL team at a high level. I think he edged Ross out on the experience criteria.

but have you thought about doing a season ending "Best of the Craptastic Game Threads"

I for one would love to see it..!

nah. I'm not a compilation fan. Part of the hilarity of the game threads is adding the commentary to the idiocy. It is sort of like "The Soup" for blithering idiots.

But most of the commentary is specific to events fresh in our minds. There's enough lunacy here that just doing game threads work.

I'm sort of pissed I didn't read the threads for the Falcons, Ravens or Eagles games because I was on the road and not on BBI for that stretch.

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interview anywhere (for a GM position this year or previously) besides Carolina?

I've always heard he's done a good job, but would probably be a little skeptical that I hired a consultant (Ernie Accorsi) to help manage the GM search, and lo and behold he hires one of his old direct reports from a former team.

Not suggesting he is or isn't qualified, just the process and outcome would be suspicious to me.

I ask because I'd heard Ross's name mentioned a lot, nationally as a candidate for many jobs, never Gettleman's.

keep this in mind...

Gettleman was the pro guy. Ross is the college guy.

If Ross had left, he took with him the Giants' scouts early thoughts on the college players.

got any consideration within the league? WOuld he ever leave?