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NFT: ⚾Mets vs. Dodgers NLCS thread⚾ Game 1 – 8:15 pm EDT start ⚾

Optimus-NY : 10/13/2024 4:21 pm
Welcome to this best-of-seven National League Championship Series thread between the 6th seeded Mets (89-73) & the 1st seeded N.L. West Champion Dodgers (98-64). All games for this series will be covered in this thread. The Dodgers had the best record in all of MLB during the regular season & beat the Mets during the regular season 4 times, winning the regular season series 4 games to 2. The Mets will be looking for some payback against the Dodgers the same way they did against the Brewers & Phillies, who they also lost their regular season series against. Click HERE to read a preview of this Playoff Series. Enjoy 😊!
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Mets @ Dodgers: Game 1 –⚾Senga (R) vs. Flaherty (R)⚾– 8:15 pm EDT


Starting Lineups for both clubs tonight.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for tonight & tomorrow in Chavez Ravine against the Dodgers.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-Tonight’s game will be televised on FOX and tomorrow's game will be on both on FOX & FS1.
-The weather forecast for tonight's game at Dodger Stadium is excellent. Click HERE to keep updated & see the Hourly AccuWeather Reports from there.
-Click HERE to see the Mets’ 26-man roster for the NLCS. There is one change overall: IF/OF Jeff McNeil for Reliever Adam Ottavino. This will be the 3rd time the Mets and Dodgers have met in the playoffs. They met before in 1988, 2006, and 2015 with the Mets winning in 2006 and 2015. Their most painful playoff series loss ever though was arguably to the Dodgers in 1988. Click HERE to read about the playoff history between these two organizations.

-Click HERE to see the list of the Mets’ roster transactions so far in October.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active playoff roster for this series.
-The Mets' 5-man bench for tonight’s game will consist of Torrens (R), Martinez (R), Bader (R), Acuña (R), & McNeil (L).
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A lot is being made of Alvarez  
Chris684 : 10/17/2024 8:57 am : link
and I get it, his ABs have been brutal, last night's boneheaded defensive play didn't help either, but if the pitchers trust him then he's going to get the nod. It's most important that Quintana be comfortable and pitch well tonight.

However, Winker needs to be in the lineup and I'm officially worried about Nimmo. His ABs seemed unaffected by the injury until last night, but now it seems to be affecting him in the box.

This series has been about our staff issuing walks, shoddy defense and the fact that we've scored runs in only 3 of 27 innings played.

I'm not ready to say anything is over at this point. Come back tonight and even this up. Dodgers are a bully team and don't look nearly as good when they're backed into a corner.
i dont think they need to spark the lineup as much as it seems  
Eric on Li : 10/17/2024 9:11 am : link
yesterday they took almost everything to a full count. buehler had his best stuff and he was still in trouble almost every inning. vientos, alonso, and lindor hit balls to the wall. nimmo hit that linedrive the other way with someone on where muncy was just positioned perfectly in the hole between 3rd/short.

even the whipping boys, JDM had 2 walks yesterday. taylor had 1. iglesias had a hit and 0 k's so he put the ball in play all 4 at bats.

the big hit with men on eluded them, and they had the 3 defensive plays that led to runs. severinos 2 balls he couldnt field cleanly and alvarez bad throw to 2nd. that was the difference through most of the game. the kike 2 out homer only barely got out and in 25 ballparks that's an out.

in a tighter game megill isn't pitching for that 8th inning blowup.

the dodgers are definitely a bully team and the variable with them is their pitching. when they get good pitching and a lead they can ride high. they are mixing up their relievers so much that our hitters are battling but off balance. mets need to get to yamamoto.
RE: i dont think they need to spark the lineup as much as it seems  
Chris684 : 10/17/2024 9:17 am : link
In comment 16650000 Eric on Li said:
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yesterday they took almost everything to a full count. buehler had his best stuff and he was still in trouble almost every inning. vientos, alonso, and lindor hit balls to the wall. nimmo hit that linedrive the other way with someone on where muncy was just positioned perfectly in the hole between 3rd/short.

even the whipping boys, JDM had 2 walks yesterday. taylor had 1. iglesias had a hit and 0 k's so he put the ball in play all 4 at bats.

the big hit with men on eluded them, and they had the 3 defensive plays that led to runs. severinos 2 balls he couldnt field cleanly and alvarez bad throw to 2nd. that was the difference through most of the game. the kike 2 out homer only barely got out and in 25 ballparks that's an out.

in a tighter game megill isn't pitching for that 8th inning blowup.

the dodgers are definitely a bully team and the variable with them is their pitching. when they get good pitching and a lead they can ride high. they are mixing up their relievers so much that our hitters are battling but off balance. mets need to get to yamamoto.


Agreed.

And how ironic that the Mets are going to battle Yamamoto at home to keep their season from being pushed to the brink after the FA courtship this past offseason.
Mendoza  
GF1080 : 10/17/2024 9:35 am : link
Already said he's sticking with all the same bats tonight so let's hope they start hitting!
I agree Eric. This is a attentive, learning type group of hitters...  
Rory : 10/17/2024 10:03 am : link
I think if we can get another round with both Flaherty and Buehler we would adapt and be prepared to change the narrative.
AFL  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2024 10:29 am : link
Scottsdale wins 3-1. Gilbert 0-3, BB (has struggled), Jett O-4, 2 k's, Pintaro 3 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 3 k's (3.00 era over 2 AFL appearances) #Mets
I agree w Eric as well. The Mets had strong ABs last night  
Lafferty, Daniel : 10/17/2024 10:57 am : link
and hit some balls hard. We did not get much luck with the wind. Lindor led off with what most nights is a homer. Pete's ball also looked gone off the bat.

If you're going to dance with the one who brung ya and leave Iglesias and Alvarez in the lineup, I can understand it. Especially with Alvarez being a winning player throughout the season and handling the staff the way he does -- I just wish he would try to hit a single not a 10 run homer!

Lastly, I do not care about Yamamoto's reverse splits enough to run JDM out there again tonight. He has no pop and looks washed. Gotta get Winker some AB's tonight.
Or --  
Lafferty, Daniel : 10/17/2024 11:00 am : link
if they care about reverse splits this much, play Acuna! And to be fair they are severe splits with Yamamoto (righties .744 OPS; lefties .526)
I don’t have a strong opinion on the splits/reverse splits  
Eric on Li : 10/17/2024 1:36 pm : link
Without seeing what kind of contact Yamamoto allowed. Also what kind of contact our hitters had against pitchers with his arsenal and velocity. I just want a lineup full of guys who take good at bats, and I think Winker may qualify slightly more than jdm right now, but it’s slight enough I’m not entirely sure. I’d definitely be aggressive pinch hitting in big situations.

Just saw this stat somewhere - in his career buehler has thrown 4 sweepers that moved with more than 20 inches of horizontal break. All 4 were yesterday. I think 2 were to Jdm on that at bat he struck out with full count. If the other guys pitch their best I’m not sure what else you can do but tip the cap. And hope that they can’t all do that in every inning. And that our guys can pitch their best too.
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ryanmkeane : 10/17/2024 1:52 pm : link
I don't think you can put Martinez in tonight. Winker was hot and then he's benched for two games in a row against righties? Doesn't make much sense to me.
RE: ...  
Eric on Li : 10/17/2024 2:20 pm : link
In comment 16650303 ryanmkeane said:
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I don't think you can put Martinez in tonight. Winker was hot and then he's benched for two games in a row against righties? Doesn't make much sense to me.


Postseason numbers:

Jdm 4/16, 3 rbis, 4 walks
Winker 4/15, 3 rbis, 4 walks
RE: Mendoza  
Optimus-NY : 10/17/2024 2:41 pm : link
In comment 16650020 GF1080 said:
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Already said he's sticking with all the same bats tonight so let's hope they start hitting!


Phuuuuuq.

Winker needs ot be in the lineup tonight and JDM needs to sit. Alvarez better wake the hell up too.
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DanMetroMan : 10/17/2024 4:01 pm : link
Mets NLCS Game 4, vs. LAD
Thursday, Oct. 17, 8:08 p.m. ET
RHP Yoshinobu Yamamoto (7-2, 3.00)

Lindor SS
Vientos 3B
Alonso 1B
Nimmo LF
Marte RF
Martinez DH
Iglesias 2B
Bader CF
Alvarez C
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Quintana LHP (10-10, 3.75)
Here it is..  
moze1021 : 10/17/2024 4:08 pm : link
I think if they win tonight, they are going to the World Series.

It would show me the "magic" is still there and they have the bats going.

If they don't win tonight I think its pretty obvious that it's over.

LFGM!
RE: Here it is..  
Chris684 : 10/17/2024 4:22 pm : link
In comment 16650407 moze1021 said:
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I think if they win tonight, they are going to the World Series.

It would show me the "magic" is still there and they have the bats going.

If they don't win tonight I think its pretty obvious that it's over.

LFGM!


I still believe, but I'd be lying if I said my mind is not starting to overtake my heart in terms of what I think is going to happen when I'm watching these 2 teams. BUT, it's still just 2-1, and this version of the Mets deserves every benefit of the doubt here.

I was telling my uncle earlier that you take in a team like these Mets as you would a pet or a new friend. I'm too young to remember the Mets championship teams so over the course of the last month, these guys have probably given me the greatest stretch and some of the best Mets wins in my lifetime. You add that to how hard it is to get to this point and beyond and you just don't want to see this thing end.

There is something ironic about these Mets facing the high-priced Yamamoto who turned us down in this game tonight. I feel the universe is lining us up for a big night.

Let's hope so and let's go Mets!
I know it's not over if they lose but  
Dr. D : 10/17/2024 5:02 pm : link
tonight is pretty dang close to a must win. - Captain Obvious.

LFGM!
Mets vs. Dodgers: Game 4 –⚾Quintana (L) vs. Yamamoto (R)⚾– 8:08 pm EDT  
Optimus-NY : 10/17/2024 5:46 pm : link

Starting Lineups for both clubs tonight.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for tonight & tomorrow in Flushing against the Dodgers.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-Tonight’s game will be televised on FS1 and so will tomorrow's game.
-The weather forecast for tonight's game at Citi Field once again is decent, albeit a good 20 degrees cooler compared to L.A. Wind gusts will reach approximately 30 MPH (a good 10 MPH more than last night), so keep an eye on that. Click HERE to keep updated & see the Hourly AccuWeather Reports from there.
-Robin Venture is throwing out the first pitch tonight to Edgardo Alfonzo. Jose Quintana has yet to win a postseason game in his career, yet owns a 2.43 ERA & 0.944 WHIP over 29 & 2/3 postseason innings. Mookie Betts is 8-for-28 in his career against Quintana, while Freddie Freeman is 5-for-16 with a homer against him. Yamamoto got battered for five runs on five hits in just three innings with only one strikeout in Game 1 of the NLDS against the Padres in what was his first postseason start in MLB. He bounced back in Game 5 of the series though with five shutout innings, earning the win as the Dodgers advanced in that elimination game. The Mets faced Yamamoto once this season. It was at Dodger Stadium on April 19th, jumping on him for four runs (three earned) & seven hits over six innings. Harrison Bader went 3-for-3 with an RBI against him that night. Click HERE to read an article analyzing tonight’s pitching matchup.

-Click HERE to see the list of the Mets’ roster transactions in October.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active playoff roster for this series.
-The Mets' 5-man bench for tonight’s game will consist of Torrens (R), Acuña (R), Taylor (R), Winker (L), & McNeil (L).
It's not for me to doubt Mendoza  
Dr. D : 10/17/2024 6:05 pm : link
I think overall he's pushed the right buttons this yr. But Nimmo looks like he's really struggling w/ his foot, at the plate AND in the field. Will anyone be surprised if he doesn't get to a ball that a healthy player would (potentially costing us runs we can't afford to give up)? And his OPS this series is 0.350.

If it was me, Nimmo would be taking a night (or more) off.
RE: I know it's not over if they lose but  
Rory : 10/17/2024 6:47 pm : link
In comment 16650441 Dr. D said:
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tonight is pretty dang close to a must win. - Captain Obvious.

LFGM!


maybe for morale, but I think tomorrow remains the must win.

Although not ideal to go back to LA, we would get to see Buehler and Flaherty again and this time no surprises. I think we would smoke them both.

This lineup is a quick learner and adapts well.
Here are links to tonight's game:  
Optimus-NY : 10/17/2024 8:06 pm : link
*Courtesy of sportsurge.net*

Mets vs. Dodgers: | 8:08 pm EDT start - October 17, 2024 – TV Broadcast: National feed – FS1: Davis & Smoltz (strfish.xyz)

Mets vs. Dodgers: | 8:08 pm EDT start - October 17, 2024 – TV Broadcast: National feed – FS1: Davis & Smoltz (dudestream.com)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets vs. Dodgers – October 17, 2024 - 8:08 pm EDT start


Enjoy tonight's game 😊
And  
GF1080 : 10/17/2024 8:12 pm : link
Down right away.
RE: And  
moze1021 : 10/17/2024 8:15 pm : link
In comment 16650635 GF1080 said:
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Down right away.


Can't win 0-0

Offense is going to have to win this game no matter what
I wish I had posted it before series  
moze1021 : 10/17/2024 8:30 pm : link
But Max Muncy always scares me...what an amazing series for him so far

Will Smith always scares me too
Walks continue to be the death of this team  
CooperDash : 10/17/2024 8:56 pm : link
They are scared to pitch to other teams best hitters - and it’s a poor strategy.
RE: I wish I had posted it before series  
Optimus-NY : 10/17/2024 9:04 pm : link
In comment 16650661 moze1021 said:
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But Max Muncy always scares me...what an amazing series for him so far

Will Smith always scares me too


Mets killer
what's the consensus  
Rory : 10/17/2024 9:05 pm : link
on this ump at home plate?

Saw a few sliders that were in the bottom of the zone he called a ball.
LAD never chases at anything and ump is calling a tight zone  
Metnut : 10/17/2024 9:05 pm : link
Quintana lucky to get out of that but this is a tough setup for him. I know we want to save Peterson for tomorrow but they need to win tonight and Quintana third time through the order might be a disaster.

Mets hanging by a thread here. Need a rally this inning badly.
Wow. I know he ultimately walked and we scored a run..but  
moze1021 : 10/17/2024 9:21 pm : link
Pete missed a terrible hanging slider there 3-1

Can't miss that mistake.

That's what's changed about this team in last few days. Just not capitalizing in the big moments

All that said...awesome job by Brandon to beat that out.

Yamamoto’s stuff is electric tonight  
Metnut : 10/17/2024 9:25 pm : link
A bit of a bummer that Mets are getting the best versions of the LAD pitchers this series.

I’d yank Quintana now.
This might be the end of the road folks.  
moze1021 : 10/17/2024 9:35 pm : link
What a ride it was.

Loved this team. Everyone had a moment.

Will cherish this run forever.

Thank you Mets.
Can't  
JayBinQueens : 10/17/2024 9:36 pm : link
keep walking people
Quintana was bound to get rocked at some point  
Metnut : 10/17/2024 9:38 pm : link
Doesn’t look great now but Mets still have 18 outs left tonight. Long way to go.
I stepped away.  
Optimus-NY : 10/17/2024 9:38 pm : link
What'd I miss? lol.
Steve Cohen will spend a lot this offseason after this NLCS  
spike : 10/17/2024 9:47 pm : link
Nimmo needs to sit. Let McNeil or Acuna play some
Well it was a fun  
MyNameIsMyName : 10/17/2024 9:53 pm : link
Year.
Happy to get Yamamoto out of there  
Metnut : 10/17/2024 10:05 pm : link
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The team  
spike : 10/17/2024 10:12 pm : link
Looks done, unfortunately
F the Dodgers  
spike : 10/17/2024 10:19 pm : link
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Walks walks walks walks walks  
CooperDash : 10/17/2024 10:28 pm : link
And scared to pitch to hitters.

Perfect recipe for how the Mets are shitting the bed.
RE: This might be the end of the road folks.  
allstarjim : 10/17/2024 10:37 pm : link
In comment 16650795 moze1021 said:
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What a ride it was.

Loved this team. Everyone had a moment.

Will cherish this run forever.

Thank you Mets.


I love this attitude. I had little expectation for this season, and the Mets have had a terrific run. I'm not throwing in the towel until the Dodgers get that 27th out in a deciding game, but assuming the Mets don't make a ridiculous rally, 3 wins in a row against this Dodgers team seems like a near impossible task.

I for one wouldn't mind seeing them let Pete go, sadly, put the QO on him, of course. I don't think he has responded well to big moments consistently enough to justify a big contract. Just a .762 OPS with RISP and with men on base it's just .732 OPS.

Not sure I would move Vientos over there at this point. But it's not a great free agent class at 1B, I suppose you could consider Bellinger.

But with Mauricio and Baty as potential options at 3B, maybe just do the damn thing and move Vientos to 1B after all?
RE: Walks walks walks walks walks  
allstarjim : 10/17/2024 10:39 pm : link
In comment 16650825 CooperDash said:
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And scared to pitch to hitters.

Perfect recipe for how the Mets are shitting the bed.


Nibbling too much away and seems afraid to throw strikes inside to this Dodgers lineup.

Uncle Steve, back up the truck for Soto, please.
I'm not a Mets fan...  
JohnG in Albany : 10/17/2024 10:42 pm : link
but is this game over, let alone the series?
Hmm  
moze1021 : 10/17/2024 10:45 pm : link
I would have let Alvarez hit there.

Don't like the move. Carlos said before the game that Alvy would come through. He should have given him the chance.
Mets offense has been horrible along with the pitching.  
CooperDash : 10/17/2024 10:46 pm : link
Poor game plan and scared pitching. Just lazy. Or maybe just overmatched.

But this team lacks a “scary” hitter. You need one to go the distance. Admirable what the Mets have done this season, the Cohen needs to make a splash. And Alonso can take a hike.
Mets inability to hit with RISP  
nygfaninorlando : 10/17/2024 10:47 pm : link
is the difference. Bases loaded no outs and can’t even push across 1 run. Oh and it would be nice if the pitchers would stop nibbling around and go after the Dodgers hitters. 7 more walks by Mets pitchers again tonight.
And we need to be done with Maton  
nygfaninorlando : 10/17/2024 10:51 pm : link
Re-tool the bullpen is a priority. Need relievers that throw strikes. Dodgers relievers are a great example. Make hits beat you.
Tomorrow's pitcher?  
BigBlueNH : 1:03 am : link
Has to be Manaea, right? He clearly gives us the best shot at getting a W. Which is the only job now.
RE: Tomorrow's pitcher?  
Eric on Li : 3:26 am : link
In comment 16650860 BigBlueNH said:
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Has to be Manaea, right? He clearly gives us the best shot at getting a W. Which is the only job now.


I’d save manaea, throw Peterson and empty the pen. Hope the bats bounce back and flaherty just doesn’t have it. Having manaea in game 6 is a sliver of hope you can get to game 7.
Team  
GF1080 : 4:12 am : link
Already announced it would be Peterson.
I'm hoping for a miracle - make that 3 miracles  
Ira : 4:33 am : link
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