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Rex Ryan apparently "mad as a hornet"

CheddarPlax : 12/28/2012 1:29 pm
Look out fellas.
Excellent details provided.  
BrettNYG10 : 12/28/2012 1:30 pm : link
Thorough analysis, as well.
Did someone lock the buffet room door?  
Spark Em Up 22 : 12/28/2012 1:31 pm : link
?
There was a clearance sale at Payless  
BigBlueCane : 12/28/2012 1:31 pm : link
he missed.
Hungry as a Hippo  
Patrick : 12/28/2012 1:31 pm : link
good one BBC!!!  
Victor in CT : 12/28/2012 1:32 pm : link
the Francesa show is running his pc now. He is pissed.
Rex just said:  
Victor in CT : 12/28/2012 1:34 pm : link
"there's no bigger Jet than me."

NO SHIT!! :)It's between him and the blimp. Even after the operation he's huge.
Are hornets really all that mad?  
BigBlueinSoFl : 12/28/2012 1:36 pm : link
Maybe just when you screw with them, otherwise they're just minding their own business usually.
Does  
NJGiantFan84 : 12/28/2012 1:38 pm : link
this imply that when New orleans Hornets change their name and the Charlotte Bobcats re-adapt the Hornet moniker that he wants to move to the NBA to coach Charlotte?
....  
yankees78 : 12/28/2012 1:44 pm : link
Quote:
@BrianCoz: While addressing the team today, Rex cried at one point according to people in the room. #NYJ


the jets are weird
Man  
Danny Kanell : 12/28/2012 1:46 pm : link
What an embarrassing franchise.
This fucking guy sure cries a lot  
jcn56 : 12/28/2012 1:49 pm : link
Maybe it's too much estrogen?
...  
yankees78 : 12/28/2012 1:50 pm : link
Anyone listening to Francesa? He basically outs the jets DC as Manish's source for all the Jets Daily News stories
Now he knows  
giantsfan227B : 12/28/2012 1:51 pm : link
how Tebow feels when reading all the BS in the papers.
And many BBIer would like this idiot  
Chef : 12/28/2012 1:54 pm : link
as our DC...
He cried  
Phil from WNY : 12/28/2012 1:56 pm : link
because Subway was out of his preferred condiments.
yankees78!!!  
Drewcon40 : 12/28/2012 1:58 pm : link
That's our future DC!!! What the...?? How the....?
Hahaha, he cried?  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 1:59 pm : link
what a catcher this guy is.
I don't knock anyone  
River Mike : 12/28/2012 2:00 pm : link
experiencing enough emotion to elicit tears. I recently shed some myself.
Mike,  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 2:02 pm : link
There are plenty of situations where that is fine. This one? Knowing Rex, he just did it get some sympathy from his players.
Chef...  
arcarsenal : 12/28/2012 2:04 pm : link
He's not fit to be the head coach of a football team.. but to deny his outstanding defensive mind because of his persona is silly.
would explain the man boobs jcn56, wouldn't it?  
Victor in CT : 12/28/2012 2:04 pm : link
I don't know why anyone would want this dooshbag anywhere near the Giants.
arc  
Chef : 12/28/2012 2:06 pm : link
dont doubt his defensive prowess.. I doubt his persona is Giant material...
arc, do you really want a circus clown in the building?  
Victor in CT : 12/28/2012 2:07 pm : link
I sure don't. He's not the only whale, uh, fish in the sea.
Fooking dream team coaching staff would be TC as Chef,  
BlueLou : 12/28/2012 2:09 pm : link
with Rex as DC and Reid as OC, each trying to best the other to ascend to the HC spot that TC agrees to vacate after his next SB victory...
His wife probably denied him of her feet  
GMAN4LIFE : 12/28/2012 2:10 pm : link
..
I would take Rex as a DC in a second.  
arcarsenal : 12/28/2012 2:11 pm : link
The Giants won't do it and Rex probably won't even be available... but I would 100% take him.

When Rex was in Baltimore as DC, there was no circus there. As I said, he's not fit to be a HC. He's not fit to be the guy at the podium every week. But as a DC? You bet your ass I'd take him here.
He knows he  
old man : 12/28/2012 2:21 pm : link
let the Jets down, made a ton of mistakes, and is likely leaving the team WORSE than when he found it; AND that its likely over for him at the other side of Met Life Stadium.
Reality may have finally hit.All the emotions kick in.
Rex isn't a fit here,  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 2:21 pm : link
nevermind his personality. He's a 3-4 guy and the Giants run a 4-3. So, unless the Giants Front office and coaching staff are willing to completely scrap the players and philosophy they have and create a new unit with awhole lot of new players and clean house with the current players, Rex ain't coming here.
Why does him running a 3-4 matter?  
arcarsenal : 12/28/2012 2:23 pm : link
The Texans had to switch when they hired Wade and they've been worlds better since they switched.
For having to switch personnel.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 2:25 pm : link
The DEs in a 4-3 and 3-4 have different responsibilities.
and arc, because as we all have said repeatedly, they Giants  
Victor in CT : 12/28/2012 2:27 pm : link
have no LBs! They don't have even 2 good ones, how are they going to play a 3-4 with and be successful? Where will the 4 LBs come from?
I'm aware of that.  
arcarsenal : 12/28/2012 2:28 pm : link
But it's not like it takes 5 years to convert where you have to overhaul the entire personnel.

The Texans went from 29th in points allowed to 4th in literally one year. In their first year playing a 3-4, they went from one of the worst defenses in football to one of the best.
the Texans were loaded at LB, so much so that they  
Victor in CT : 12/28/2012 2:29 pm : link
traded DeMeco Ryan to the iggles.
If Tuck and Osi are not on the team next year  
YAJ2112 : 12/28/2012 2:30 pm : link
are we really any further away from having good 3-4 personnel than we would be from having good 4-3 personnel?
Gee, I don't know...  
arcarsenal : 12/28/2012 2:30 pm : link
Maybe we could draft a couple before the 4th round for once?

We haven't done that in 6 years now.
We also don't have the LBs to run a 3-4.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 2:31 pm : link
The Texans have a different talent pool than we have, apparently. But without the Giants making a complete change in philosophy with their defense, cutting current players (which could come with taking some cap hits) and drafting and signing new types of personnel in a short period of time, I don't see it working. The Giants defense the past 10 years has been all about sacking the QB and the DEs. This would change that.
Yaj, no.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 2:32 pm : link
But with the way the current coaching staff embraces change, do you see it happening, and happening in this short period of time?
Kiwi  
Danny Kanell : 12/28/2012 2:33 pm : link
Would be an excellent 3-4 OLB. Williams' with his speed would likely thrive in a 3-4 as well. Tuck and Osi both may be gone so we may be in for an end overhaul.

I'm not saying Rex by any means but if we're ever going to bring in a DC with a 3-4 philosophy, now may be the time to do it. I've always been a fan of the 3-4. The best defenses in the NFL are all a version of it.
Dave, no I don't  
YAJ2112 : 12/28/2012 2:35 pm : link
but if we do change DCs, I don't think we'd be as reluctant to go with a 3-4 guy given that we need a lot of work in the front 7 regardless of what D we run.
Good luck convincing TC to change a 3-4.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 2:36 pm : link
He didn't even want to fire Hufnagel years ago. FWIW, I have no problem with them doing it if it would work. Name of the game is good defense, I don't care if it's 4-3 or 3-4. My only contention is them actually changing it re-working the roster. It would take some time.
While I wouldn't want Rex  
Jughead : 12/28/2012 2:36 pm : link
I don't think a switch to a 3-4 would take as long as some think. We're not great on defense now. We wouldn't even be taking a top half defense and breaking it down. We're bottom 5 in yardage given up this year. Granted points against is better, but that's due to turnovers which we've been very fortunate with this year.

If there was a year to do it. This would be it. A switch to 3-4 DE might be good for someone like Tuck. Canty has plenty of experience playing it. Some guys might not have spots (Austin, Williams), but would you let you really let those guys stop you?
.  
Danny Kanell : 12/28/2012 2:36 pm : link
The biggest problem would be what to do w/ Linval.
BTW,  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 2:38 pm : link
it doesn't really matter that we're not a good defense now. It's about re-working the roster and cutting some current guys to make room for new talent. We're right up against the cap to begin with.
We r as close to a 3 4 as we r to a 4-3  
hitdog42 : 12/28/2012 2:39 pm : link
Biggest question be nt.... Could lj do it?

I don't see it happening but with osi and tuck winding down this is no longer a silly question
Joseph could pull it off  
Jughead : 12/28/2012 2:39 pm : link
He might have to learn new technique. But he has the body. The Texans don't have that typical Vince Wilfork NT.
I think Linval is strong enough to be a 3-4 DT.  
arcarsenal : 12/28/2012 2:40 pm : link
I'm not so certain he can't do it. Obviously the assumption is that Canty will be the NT but maybe he winds up being a cap casualty. Who knows.
3-4 D?  
madgiantscow009 : 12/28/2012 3:11 pm : link
Clint Sintim time!
That's one fat Hornet  
PatersonPlank : 12/28/2012 3:18 pm : link
What's he crying about, the fact he did a terrible job?
Rex Ryan's a clown  
Greg from LI : 12/28/2012 3:22 pm : link
But he's a terrific defensive coach. Even this season as the wheels have come off amidst losing Revis, the Jets are still a tough team to move the ball against.
arc  
Greg from LI : 12/28/2012 3:24 pm : link
Canty could also play DE in a 3-4, as he did for years in Dallas. And Shawn Rogers is still on the roster, isn't he? It's a longshot, but if he's healthy next season he could rotate with Joseph at NT.
Apparently Pettine (Jets DC)  
dpinzow : 12/28/2012 3:24 pm : link
was the source of a lot of the leaks coming out of the Jets org., per Francesa...that's crazy
The Jets are playing against a shaky at best schedule, though.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 3:25 pm : link
Titans, Jags, Cards, Chargers, Rams in recent weeks. Bills this week. Rex is a good defensive coach, but those teams are shit.
Rogers couldn't make it past a week of camp.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 3:26 pm : link
What makes anyone think he'll be able to play next year.
Greg...  
arcarsenal : 12/28/2012 3:27 pm : link
Yeah, that's true.

I honestly think now would be a good time as any for this team to switch to a 3-4. It doesn't have to be Rex, either. I think they could mold the personnel relatively quickly with the right moves.
Who's the 3-4 DC  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 3:31 pm : link
we hire to run the 3-4?
I agree  
Greg from LI : 12/28/2012 3:32 pm : link
Not advocating it, exactly, but I think they could do it with the right coordinator.
...  
Optimus-NY : 12/28/2012 3:34 pm : link
Yeah,  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 3:34 pm : link
outside of the DC to run it (kind of a big deal), the LBs, and the DEs, it's all right there to pick up next season.
This team doesn't exactly have the right 4-3 LB's, either.  
arcarsenal : 12/28/2012 3:37 pm : link
What's the difference? We need to invest a couple of draft picks in that position regardless.

It doesn't have to be some conversion process that takes years. We could probably switch and get a better result than we had this year right off the bat.
I think we are closer to  
redbeard : 12/28/2012 3:38 pm : link
A 3-4 than some of you realize. Joseph at nose tackle with Canty and JPP at ends. Also, this idea that JPP would be wasted in a 3-4 is just wrong...look at what JJ Watt is doing at end in a 3-4.. A good DC would still put JPP in a position to make plays. Kiwi at one OLB spot, JW's speed would be a weapon.


Not that I expect Fewell to go anywhere(unfortunately) but it isn't that crazy an idea
redbeard...  
arcarsenal : 12/28/2012 3:40 pm : link
We are. If we went into the draft knowing that we were running a 3-4, one solid draft and perhaps a FA addition or two (even for depth) could have us in a decent spot as soon as next year. It's completely realistic.
They have "meh" LBs regardless.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 3:40 pm : link
But the DEs and the philosophy the team has had since TC has been here is 4-3. You have to convince TC to change that (and why would he at this point?) and find a 3-4 DC.
So why would TC all of a sudden change his mind  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 3:41 pm : link
and run a 3-4? After he changes his mind on that (good luck with that), who is this 3-4 DC they hire? It's very much a huge change.
If Pettine shakes free from the Jets, there's a guy right there.  
arcarsenal : 12/28/2012 3:43 pm : link
.
If.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 3:44 pm : link
And what causes TC to change his mind and start to run a 3-4?
it's not like we have the personnel at DE to excel in a 4-3 anymore  
Greg from LI : 12/28/2012 3:44 pm : link
Osi is gone next year. Tuck looks like he's through as a top player. Face it - outside of JPP (who's having a disappointing year) our DEs are nothing special anymore.
Greg, I agree.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 3:45 pm : link
But what causes TC to change his mind and run a 3-4? I just don't see it.
I don't know..  
arcarsenal : 12/28/2012 3:46 pm : link
Maybe the fact that we haven't had a legitimate top NFL defense in a while?

I have no idea what TC is going to want to do. Should we just not discuss any possibilities at all because of what he may or may not decide? It's relevant.
There's a better chance of Mara and Coughlin  
Exit 172 : 12/28/2012 3:46 pm : link
bringing Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 into the organization than there is Rex Ryan.
If anything,  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 3:48 pm : link
that'll just make TC & company look to improve their current defense. Not change of philosophy. Especially a coach who has been reluctant to change every step of the way. It's a possibility, but a small one.
In the past,  
PEEJ : 12/28/2012 3:50 pm : link
the Giants had to commit to the 4-3 because they had great 4-3 DEs, who couldn't make the switch. If Osi's gone and Tuck is done (as an every down player), the need to stay in a 4-3 is diminished.

Canty played 3-4 DE with the Cowboys. JPP is big enough for a 3-4 DE. Joseph at NT is a ?. The LBs are the problem. Kiwi , Boley and Williams would be OK outside. Inside the cupboard is bare.
Crennel will be  
PEEJ : 12/28/2012 3:51 pm : link
available
arcarsenal, I wouldn't want Pettine  
dpinzow : 12/28/2012 4:06 pm : link
anywhere near the blue side of the Timex Center if the rumors about him talking to the press about the Jets are true...loose lips sink ships
Survey:  
manh george : 12/28/2012 4:14 pm : link
Mad as hornet or mad as hatter?
....  
yankees78 : 12/28/2012 5:05 pm : link
Quote:
@Brian_Bassett: Francessa says Pettine is leak. All I know is Pettine was internally SLAPPED last year for leaking stuff to press.

@Brian_Bassett: Also, Pettine forced to use a specific phone for all purposes last year so team could monitor calls. Guess Stringer Bell got him a burner.


all the weirds
Wow, the fact that they made him use a specific phone  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 5:09 pm : link
they can monitor is pretty crazy. Not sure I'd want to bring him here.
"I'm on the case Mr. Johnson..."  
Optimus-NY : 12/28/2012 6:33 pm : link
Why a 3-4?  
JohnF : 12/28/2012 8:25 pm : link
Look down south at who we're playing the next 10 years.

Yeah, RGIII. That "gimmick" offense is going to tear us up because Bob IS that good against a 4-3. Our DE's simply can't contain the edges.

Look at what Pittsburgh's 3-4 did against him. I know we won't get as good a DC as the Steelers have, but a 3-4 is a better matchup against them. We're going to have to rebuild the defense, and some of our guys who aren't playing well in a 4-3 might do much better in a 3-4, especially the inside LB's, who have less field to cover in pass coverage.
I am  
St. Jimmy : 12/28/2012 8:38 pm : link
amazed that there are teams in the NFL that are worse than the Jets. They should fire this clown (not that I want them too).
John...  
arcarsenal : 12/28/2012 9:45 pm : link
I agree. A 3-4 is much better suited to neutralize a QB like RG3. You need more speed across the middle layer of the field. In a 4-3, you're relying on one more slower defensive lineman to read and react and usually by the time they identify where the ball is going, they can't catch up and get there in time. The right 3-4 scheme is exactly what you need to stifle an offense like the Redskins'.
Maybe he knows he's going  
DG : 12/28/2012 10:49 pm : link
to get canned after Sunday.
So, now we're going to change to a 3-4  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 10:52 pm : link
to stop one team?

*facepalm*

I'm willing to bet a change like that hasn't even entered TC's head, nor will it ever.

So, now we're going to change to a 3-4  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 10:52 pm : link
to stop one team?

*facepalm*

I'm willing to bet a change like that hasn't even entered TC's head, nor will it ever.

Twice even!  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/28/2012 10:53 pm : link
Sorry about that.
eh I don't think  
chris r : 12/28/2012 11:00 pm : link
3-4 teams are necessarily faster than 4-3 teams.

4-3 DEs are faster than 3-4 DEs, 4-3 DTs are faster than NTs and 4-3 LBs are faster than 3-4 LBers.

And the Skins WRs dropped about 10 balls in that game vs. Pitt. I don't think that was some kind of model performance.
in theory  
lalalalala : 12/28/2012 11:56 pm : link

they're faster. if we played 3/4 Osi would probably be standing up and we'd have the devastating twosome of Boley/Chase in the middle.
No, we're not changing to stop one team.  
arcarsenal : 12/29/2012 3:20 am : link
Stop with the nonsense.

It goes beyond the Redskins. They were simply an example. The point is that the league is constantly evolving and speed on the field is at a premium. You can maximize that by basically swapping a slower, larger defensive lineman for a more rangy linebacker. The 49ers have pretty much been the gold standard for the closest thing to a "dominant" defensive unit in this much more offensive era. They're 3rd in points allowed and 2nd in yards allowed this year... last year they were 2nd in points, 4th in yards. They run a 3-4 and they have linebackers who can fly all over the field. Bowman and Willis are lethal on the inside and to top it off, they have Aldon Smith at ROLB. Their front 7 is so strong that it almost entirely masks the fact that they aren't anything to write home about in the secondary.

The Texans also made tremendous strides by switching over. They were one of the worst defenses in football in 2010. Last year they jumped up to 4th in points allowed and this year they're 8th in PA and 9th in yards. Still a very good defense and a team that has been atop the AFC basically all year.

The dominant 2009 Jets defense was 1st in both points and yards. 3-4. 6th in points, 3rd in yards in 2010 as well.

The Ravens have fielded a lot of excellent defenses over the past handful of years. The 2006 Ravens were the best defense in football (1st in PA/yards) under Rex and had a few real good units while he was there. There was really only one "down" year (2007) through his tenure as DC there and even that year, they were 6th in yards allowed. He obviously ran a 3-4 there in those years.

And then there's LeBeau and the Steelers. A team that has perennially excelled over a pretty long stretch now and been probably the most consistent defense over the past handful of years since his return in 2004. He's more or less considered the greatest DC ever. What does he run? 3-4.

It's not that you can't succeed with a 4-3. You can. The Seahawks are doing it this year. The Broncos have been pretty good. The Bears were playing really well when they were healthy. But to me, based on the direction the league is going, I think a 3-4 is better suited to defend the types of offenses that are developing and I think the Giants are actually in a spot where they COULD make the switch if they wanted to for the first time in a long time. It's more realistic now than it has been in past years. I don't think the turnover would have to be as drastic right now.

Will it happen? I don't know. Probably not. I'm not even convinced that Fewell is going anywhere. But we're fans.. I don't see what the issue is with discussing the possibility. I'd personally be in favor of it and am simply sharing my opinion.
Lol  
Mondo : 12/29/2012 3:28 am : link
I actually laughed at ops comment
If I was Jets owner  
bc4life : 12/29/2012 10:41 am : link
No way would I fire Rex. They get better QB play this is a competitive team.

If I was owner I'd be tampering with Andy Reid big time. Imagine bringing him into the Jets his O and Rex's D. A brilliant move - that will never happen.
to switch to a 3-4  
BigBlueCane : 12/29/2012 11:49 am : link
They need to find at least one more pure NT to spell Joseph and 2 DE's, JPP doesn't rate as such and it would be a colossal waste to put him there.

The good news is with him and Kiwi, you'd have the OLB's set. You'd have to think about replacing Boley as well.
Canty could probably play DE in a 3-4.  
arcarsenal : 12/29/2012 11:52 am : link
And Williams would be a good 3-4 OLB. It's the ILB's we'd need to find.
Canty's getting up there  
BigBlueCane : 12/29/2012 3:42 pm : link
in years and wear/tear on the body.
For those of you wanting him here  
Randy in CT : 12/29/2012 3:47 pm : link
you do realize we'd have to take the approach as if we would with a troubled player? He'd have to not want to be a cockmonkey anymore and shape up? I don't think he'd fit from a character standpoint.
a member of the Ryan family not being a cockmonkey?  
mfsd : 12/29/2012 3:51 pm : link
I just can't see that ever happening. Don't want him anywhere near the Giants ever.
Randy...  
arcarsenal : 12/29/2012 5:55 pm : link
Do you ever remember hearing about him being a disturbance in Baltimore the 4 years he was DC there?

As I've said a bunch of times, Rex isn't fit to be a HC. He could certainly be an excellent DC, though. He has been in the past.

Either way, I don't see him leaving the Jets and he's probably not someone the Giants would consider anyway.
bc4life -  
Exit 172 : 12/29/2012 6:05 pm : link
No way in hell will Andy Reid be an offensive coordinator in his next job.
This is all pretty much moot anyway.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/29/2012 6:28 pm : link
Love TC, but he's not exactly the posterboy for "change", in any sense of the word. Like many of us here have said, Perry most likely isn't going anywhere. Then, even if that were to happen (and I would be fine with that, not that Perry is the only problem with the defense, he isn't), but then something has to take place in TC's mind that forces him to want to change to a 3-4. It's TC, I love him, but it just most likely isn't going to happen.
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