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Boomer Esiason's Disgraceful Comments in LT Piece

Essex : 9/21/2013 2:51 pm
Boomer's comments during the documentary were absolutely disgraceful. What a moron. First, he says that the Giants organziation and Parcells coddled LT. How does he know that? Was he there in the Giants locker room or organization? Such a moronic comment.

Worse, yet, he says people hate AROD and the PED players, but somehow do not hate the players who use Cocaine and implies that there is this double standard. Yes, Boomer you idiot. LT was not trying to cheat, he was someone who was addicted to drugs. If anything, it hurt his performance. By contrast, A-Rod and the PED players are trying to cheat the game and improve their performance, that is why fans hate them Boomer, you idiot.

I know there is a thread about this show, but this deserves it owns thread. In part because the LT documentary thread should be about an interesting documentary that does an excellent job of trying to explain LT and his many faults, not get bogged down by some idiot (Boomer) who is obviously too dumb to even realize how stupid he is. However, Boomer should be called out.
He did come off as having an Agenda  
JOrthman : 9/21/2013 2:56 pm : link
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The other issue to consider....  
BillKo : 9/21/2013 3:01 pm : link
LT crossed the picket line in 1987. Boomer was the union rep and went thru hell in that role.

He probably resents LT because of that, I'm sure.

I expect nothing less from Boomer  
JonC : 9/21/2013 3:09 pm : link
His view and comments are frequently agenda and emotion driven, imv. Perhaps that's why he was offered a radio gig ...
Boomer should NOT be a "voice"  
feelflows : 9/21/2013 3:14 pm : link
truth of it is, if LT cut a healthy check to Boomer's charity (which, FYI is a GREAT charity), Boomer would find ways to make LT sound like a victim and a football GOD.

he's not someone to listen to if you want a straight thought.
I didn't see the piece  
Bake54 : 9/21/2013 3:14 pm : link
but it's hard to argue that LT wasn't coddled. Dude made some incredibly poor life choices and certainly should not be idolized. His performance on-the-field was amazing but off-the-field, he was pretty much pond scum.

When I look at the totality of who he was, he is one of my least favorite athletes of all-time.
I've never gotten a sense LT was coddled  
JonC : 9/21/2013 3:16 pm : link
but the team certainly often looked the other way because he was a great football player.
Bake54  
Essex : 9/21/2013 3:23 pm : link
the issue is not really whether LT was coddled; the issue is whether Boomer was there to voice an opinion. Parcells fiercely denies it, and Boomer has not first-hand knowledge on this issue and should just be quiet on this score.
LT was awesome on the field...  
Blue Meanie : 9/21/2013 3:24 pm : link
total scumbag off...only Giants fans in denial can defend his off-field behavior...I loved watching him between the lines...but...
As if Boomer's opinion about LT matters.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/21/2013 3:29 pm : link
If LT was a Jet, Boomer would be in full on excuse mode, that's for sure.
The one voice about LT (and whomever was in the Giants org, etc)  
micky : 9/21/2013 3:33 pm : link
is Banks. And, what he said about LT on WFAN yesterday. Saying LT - despite his off-the-field problems - was a great teammate, cared about his teammates and Giants org, he put team first, etc.

Boomer is what JonC said above about him.
No one here is excusing his behavior off the field  
JOrthman : 9/21/2013 3:34 pm : link
This is really about his comments in the piece last night.
On the field  
dutch1 : 9/21/2013 3:34 pm : link
No one played harder and gave his all more than LT. Even when seriously injured he totally dominated the field of play. He was not a role model and said this himself. Off the field he led a seedy lifestyle but it didn't interfere with his performance. Fuck Boomer, what did he ever do of note on the field.
Doesn't sound like something to get worked up over  
ghost718 : 9/21/2013 3:42 pm : link
The PED's and cocaine comment gave away his true intentions.No one is that dumb

Think those that feel the strongest about LT's behavior either have there own issues,or they have never sat back and analyzed who really are the bad people in this world
.  
Turn Your Head And Coughlin : 9/21/2013 4:04 pm : link
Boomer is worse than his butt buddy Carton.
Why was Boomer Esiason's opinion solicited?  
Exit 172 : 9/21/2013 4:13 pm : link
What did he have to offer about LT's career?
Boomer is the same guy who was cheating on his wife when he was  
Optimus-NY : 9/21/2013 4:18 pm : link
playing with the Jets. Guy used to drive to Molloy in Nassau County in his Beamer to get some ass. Hypocrite.
Most teams "coddle" .. look the other way with the stars ...  
Houston : 9/21/2013 4:20 pm : link
i have to believe that the Patriots "looked the other way" with hernandez's behavior. I am not including the alledged murders ... but the "questionable behavior patterns" .. as long as he was performing, and he was to be a key part of this current season... they just tend to let it go.
Optimus  
RobCarpenter : 9/21/2013 4:36 pm : link
That's probably why he so critical of LT.

I didn't get his comments on PEDs vs. cocaine use. Is he saying cheating shouldn't be seen as worse than off field drug use? LT is no saint and has had major issues off the field, but no one ever accused him of cheating. In terms of LT as a player, he was one of the best. LT as a person, not one of the best by a long shot. But he didn't cheat like seemingly half of the Texas Rangers team in the 1990s.

The only QBs that should comment on LT are those who played with or against him. And those comments from Jaws and Theisman were great.
Cocaine  
Jolly Blue Giant : 9/21/2013 4:40 pm : link
Can certainly be used as a PED.
Should say  
Jolly Blue Giant : 9/21/2013 4:41 pm : link
Cocaine can be considered a PED.
All you need to know about Boomer  
blueblood'11 : 9/21/2013 4:42 pm : link
He is a partner with one of the biggest douche bags WFAN has ever employed. At times the Schtick they put across the airwaves leaves one scratching their head as classless and then you see Boomer on Sundays acting like the responsible voice of reason.
Jolly Blue  
Mondo : 9/21/2013 4:47 pm : link
I'm not sure how LT played football smoking crack, absolutely destroys your body, appetite and sleep.
Jolly Blue giant  
Essex : 9/21/2013 4:51 pm : link
under no circumstances could cocaine be a performance enhancing drug, unless, I guess you are using it on the sideline and you were prepared to run through a brick wall, maybe. but, as far as I know, nobody saw him doing lines on the field. it is a momentary high that totally drains your body and would have no positive effect on your body.

Come on, be serious now.
I'm sure no one on the Bengals used cocaine  
lalalalala : 9/21/2013 5:01 pm : link

no one at all.
Some of you assholes are so far off-base about LT  
Randy in CT : 9/21/2013 5:03 pm : link
that it is mind bottling. Coke hurt his performance on the field. He was a bad-ass and one of the best players ever, who also dealt with a lot of demons.

You'll notice he never hurt anybody off the field as a little reminder?

And if you feel the need to bash him you can go fuck yourself in advance, OK?
Randy  
Micko : 9/21/2013 5:14 pm : link
Never hurt anyone off the field? His family? Underage hookers?

Best player I ever watched but over the years I've soured on him b/c he's such a pathetic loser.
.....  
Micko : 9/21/2013 5:15 pm : link
I also think if he wasn't a Giant everyone on this thread would be calling him a drug-addicted loser.
I he wasn't a Giant  
Blue Meanie : 9/21/2013 5:20 pm : link
folks like Randy would never defend him...
Coke..  
BillKo : 9/21/2013 5:20 pm : link
certainly hurt LT's performance....just look back at 1985.

Cocaine is anything but a PED.
I = If  
Blue Meanie : 9/21/2013 5:21 pm : link
sorry...
it seems like he has not used drugs  
Essex : 9/21/2013 5:24 pm : link
in 15 years.

in any event, nobody is saying that he did not use drugs and you are not free to draw whatever conclusions you wish from an addiction that was apparently kicked 15 years ago. However, Boomer's comparison to PED's is absurd, that is my point. And, since he was not in the locker room or in the building he has no idea if the Giants coddled him or not.

And the documentary was very candid ( and i believe LT said this but I could be mistaken) that drug addiction is not a victimless crime to his family.
meant  
Essex : 9/21/2013 5:24 pm : link
you are free
I found myself screaming at the TV  
mattnyg05 : 9/21/2013 5:39 pm : link
"Oh shut up you asshole" by his third or fourth comment. He just came off as a tremendous holier than thou douche.

And I completely agree with everyone regarding the A-Rod PED thing-it is a totally different situation. LT was not a cheater.
there's some times when I think Boomer is a great guy  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/21/2013 5:46 pm : link
and other times when he acts like a douche - and other times when he's a moron - and other times when he is totally sanctimonious - take your poison!
Micko  
Fort Mill Mike : 9/21/2013 5:49 pm : link
I don;t know that you can say he "hurt" the hooker. I thought I recall reading that he just wanked while she laid naked in front of him. Or something like that.

JUST KIDDING!

Of course it was criminal.However I do believe he thought she was old enough to consent and working as a pros was her idea.
I am as big a fan of LT the football player  
giant24 : 9/21/2013 5:50 pm : link
as anyone but if LT was half the person Boomer is off the field, LT's life and that of his ex-wife and children would have been a lot happier and healthier for all of them.
cocaine as a ped  
culloden1745 : 9/21/2013 5:51 pm : link
short term small amounts of cocaine are supposed to heighten your focus, metabolism, dull pain receptors.
larger amounts do not increase performance above that and often work against you both mental and physical.

as you use it you grow tolerant to it and need more to reach the same effect.
I believe the comment wasn't as soft as "coddled" it was an answer to  
Tom in NY : 9/21/2013 5:56 pm : link
a question as to whether the Giants were to blame for LT's ultimate addiction/problems. Boomer, clearly with an agenda, said "Yes, the Giants looked the other way and were to blame."

The key was when they asked Parcells the same question, and his answer was direct, but without detail, that LT and those close to him know that the Giants/Parcells were did make efforts to thwart this behavior....LT would not agree with the original question.
Boomer is a Jet Fan  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/21/2013 5:58 pm : link
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As mentioned by Turn Head & Coughlin...  
drkenneth : 9/21/2013 6:09 pm : link
Boomer is just as much an issue as is Carton. If not, moreso.
I'll have to watch the piece  
Bake54 : 9/21/2013 6:09 pm : link
based on what the OP said, I have no problem with Boomer offering that opinion. Obviously, people here see it as an opinion only. I certainly would trust a teammate's opinion more.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 9/21/2013 6:27 pm : link
[quote]Some of you assholes are so far off-base about LT
Randy in CT : 5:03 pm : link
that it is mind bottling. Coke hurt his performance on the field. He was a bad-ass and one of the best players ever, who also dealt with a lot of demons.

You'll notice he never hurt anybody off the field as a little reminder?

And if you feel the need to bash him you can go fuck yourself in advance, OK?[/[quote]

You don't seriously believe this shit do you? If so, you're even stupider than I thought.
Quote fail.  
BrettNYG10 : 9/21/2013 6:29 pm : link
Point remains.
Really, there's a thread about the program? Where?  
Bramton1 : 9/21/2013 6:30 pm : link
Don't have Showtime and can't find any other way to see it.
I guess LT didn't hurt anybody  
Exit 172 : 9/21/2013 6:36 pm : link
during his hit-and-run, either.
I don't think Boomer should judge LT at all.  
Reese's Pieces : 9/21/2013 7:03 pm : link
Boomer grew up in East Islip, Long Island, a nice, 98% white
New York City suburb and went to the excellent, 98% white East Islip high school. He wasn't born with the same demons inside as LT.

Quote:
To say that Lawrence Taylor is a bad person, those are the words of an idiot - or a person who is speaking from ignorance or doesn't know the man. He's a good person. He's a good guy who is a drug addict," says former teammate Beasley Reece on ESPN Classic's SportsCentury series.


LT was an extraordinary player, there is no doubt.  
manh george : 9/21/2013 7:07 pm : link
I just wonder if he would have been even more extraordinary if he didn't hate the weight room, didn't party at inappropriate times, and if he didn't use coke, at least in season.

It's like Babe Ruth. The greatest player in the history of baseball, on a diet of hot dogs, beer and women. Except that after a severe health scare in 1925, Ruth got a true wake-up call and actually got into great shape. Did LT ever get that wake-up call, or respond to it? Doubtful.

It is also like Dwight Gooden and Daryl Strawberry, however, both of whom were great talents who had an addiction they just couldn't kick. Coke, unfortunately, is like that. Multiple relapses are the norm not the exception.

Did the Giants coddle LT? I think so. It's unlikely they didn't know about his off-field behaviors, and they certainly did little to change them.
Blueblood, couldn't agree more about Carton.  
Reese's Pieces : 9/21/2013 7:08 pm : link
Can't believe that that show started in 2007 and is still around. I would rather listen to three hours of "Schein and the Mad Dog" than listen to Carton for fifteen minutes.

What kind of New York sports fans like this guy?
I love LT  
Danny Kanell : 9/21/2013 7:10 pm : link
but man Randy's post was moronic.
blueblood'11  
Gregorio : 9/21/2013 7:21 pm : link
I agree about Carton on WFAN. His big mouth and infantile jokes completely turn me off of listening to the WFAN morning show. Boomer alone would be far more enjoyable. As far as what Boomer said about the Giants and LT, I wouldn't kill the messenger here. LT's behavior is at fault.

Greg
You kidding? Randy's post was brilliant, for one reason  
Kyle : 9/21/2013 7:23 pm : link
Quote:
Randy in CT : 5:03 pm : link
that it is mind bottling. Coke hurt his performance on the field.


Kyle, absolutely.  
manh george : 9/21/2013 7:27 pm : link
Randy was suggesting that things go better with Coke, and no one noticed.
Most of Randy's posts are moronic  
Gman11 : 9/21/2013 7:29 pm : link
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Um  
NoMatter : 9/21/2013 7:38 pm : link
Quote:
I don't think Boomer should judge LT at all.
Reese's Pieces : 7:03 pm : link
Boomer grew up in East Islip, Long Island, a nice, 98% white
New York City suburb and went to the excellent, 98% white East Islip high school. He wasn't born with the same demons inside as LT.


Seriously? Why shouldn't he be allowed to comment? That's a crock of shit and a big reason nothing can be discussed anywhere in this country. Everyone starts bitching the second something is said you don't agree with. Taylor's not a crack baby from inner city. He crew up in Williamsburg with a schoolteacher for a mom.

Taylor was coddled and to deny that is just stupid. Difference between him and somebody like Christian Peter was LT was a freak of nature so he was allowed to get away with acting like he did.

Saying Taylor was one of the greatest players in history and his addictions left him as less of a player than he could have been are not mutually exclusive. He was the most dominant player I've ever seen. If he wasn't an addict and put effort into training, he would have transcended the sport by reaching even greater heights.

Boomer's second argument's a little dicier, but there's also an inherent hypocrisy involved with sports fans. If your weakness doesn't blatantly damage the team, people will look the other way. Most people didn't complain about ARod's roiding until it started to cost the Yankees in financial flexibility and his body finally broke down.

Have LT get busted for coke the morning of SB XXV and see if people differentiate between coke and roids then.
If LT hadn't done drugs  
RobCarpenter : 9/21/2013 7:45 pm : link
And liked to train in the weight room, who knows what else he might have done.

It's no different than Mickey Mantle. His drinking had to have affected him.

Boomer growing up in East Islip is the kicker  
Optimus-NY : 9/21/2013 7:48 pm : link
I remember he tried to make a comment about a player a few years back on the CBD Pregame show, and Deion Sanders--of all people--won me over with his rebuttal of Boomer's assertion regarding the problems of minority players. I forgot the exact quote, but I remember being very happy with Deion's rebuttal of Boomer's simplistic view on things.

Bottom line is this: Boomer is just like Cartoon, his on-air partner in the morning on WFAN. Throw shit out there, and see what sticks, regardless of it being correct or not. Getting a rise out of people is all that matters.
I  
CapeGman : 9/21/2013 7:59 pm : link
think it is debatable whether Cocaine can be used as a PED. If you have a serious addiction it can adversely affect your performance in general I am sure.
But a powerful central nervous stimulant could help you in a sport where you need a short burst of energy to be effective such as rushing a passer.
I think a lot of us overreact to the LT bashers because of what he did on the field. Obviously Boomer is a bit of a d&ck. But LT is an addict who payed for a minor prostitute and has done who knows what else.
And of course the Giants Coddled him. If they did not look the other way I'm sure his career would have been a lot shorter on the Giants. Can you imagine him in this day and age how long he would last.
I can't help but look at LT's amazing feats on the field  
81_Great_Dane : 9/21/2013 8:20 pm : link
and wonder how much of that is fueled by coke and speed. On the other hand, he wasn't the only one using coke and speed, so you have to give him credit: He was better on coke and speed than the other cokeheads and speed freaks he played against.
Good grief  
Modus Operandi : 9/21/2013 8:26 pm : link
Boomer was twice an NFL all-pro. An MVP once. Retired amongst being top 10 in most passing stats. He founded a wonderful philanthropic organization that puts millions into research. Now what the heck have you accomplished with your life?

As for what makes his opinion interesting, he was LT's contemporary. He likely knew him on and off the field considering how small the NFL is. You don't want to listen to his opinion? Fast forward.

Some of you are willing to get butthurt over virtually anything.
LT..  
Bill E : 9/21/2013 8:29 pm : link
....*was* coddled.
Why is it disgraceful to say so?
My thoughts from reading this thread  
steve in ky : 9/21/2013 8:37 pm : link
I agree that the union aspect likely probably is at the core of Boomer not thinking much of LT, then add LT's behavior since leaving the league and he obviously only reinforced that opinion, not repaired it.

I also agree it should be obvious that the drugs LT took only hurt him and shortened his career, the antithesis of why Arod took drugs.

How could anyone possibly know for a fact that Boomer cheated on his wife?

Boomer is not a Jets fan, in fact I think he has all but said numerous times that he hates the Jets.

LT likely was coddled to some extent, but who cares, he earned it. The guy was the greatest defensive talent to ever wear a uniform, and it could be argued he single handedly turned around the entire Giants organization. Why shouldn't he have been coddled to some degree?



steve, do you listen to him and Carton?  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/21/2013 8:49 pm : link
Him and Carton are both Jet jocksniffers, in a big way.
Dave  
steve in ky : 9/21/2013 8:57 pm : link
Carton is a huge Jets fan, Boomer is not and has said so. I don't think he left on very good terms with them. And yes, until just recently when the MSG TV contract expired, I used to watch them in the mornings.
Based on the way he comments on them  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/21/2013 8:59 pm : link
compared to how he discusses other teams, I highly doubt he's being honest about that.
It's funny  
nyfan76 : 9/21/2013 9:00 pm : link
how people on this site always talk about how Boomer loves the Jets. He rarely says anything good about them. He's bashed almost every big move they have made in the last few years.

I also think people would have much different take if LT wasn't a Giant.

And no one here knows what Boomer knows or doesn't know about what would go down back then. You don't know who his friends were or who he's talked to or anything. So it is hard to say that he absolutely had no idea. I'm sure he had much more of an idea than any one on this board.
I've seen him compliment the Jets alot over the years  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/21/2013 9:02 pm : link
despite the fact that they have very little to compliment. That and he's alot harder on other teams than he is the Jets.
Dave  
steve in ky : 9/21/2013 9:05 pm : link
Do you listen to them often? Because Boomer has made it pretty clear he didn't like his experience with the Jets, and doesn't like them much, and to be honest, I don't hear him saying much all that much that is good about them, he is usually critical. This year I think he predicted they would be lucky to win more than three games.
Yea  
nyfan76 : 9/21/2013 9:08 pm : link
I usually listen to at least a little bit of their show every morning and have for quite a while. Your comments about Boomer's praise for the Jets are just wrong and not based in reality. Maybe in your random sample of listening - it feels that way, but couldn't be further from the truth.
I do a few times per week, out of necessity  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/21/2013 9:09 pm : link
(commute to work). I know he says he left on bad terms with the franchise in the past, I'm sure he did. But that doesn't preclude him from being pro Jets today. It's a different ownership, differnt front office, different players. He's much harsher with the Giants, and they're a team that's been much more successful in recent years. Always struck me as odd.
Boomer has had a grudge against LT for over 27 years  
Mason : 9/21/2013 9:09 pm : link
nothing new about this topic. Billko is absolutely right. Rosenberg already called him out over it over 10 years ago and the fact that half his Bengal teammates were doped up and Boomer really had no answer for it. Any shot he has to take out LT he will take it. He acknowledged he had an issue with LT.
You're lost if you don't think he's pro Jets.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/21/2013 9:10 pm : link
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Boomer is one of them, waddya call  
Great White Ghost : 9/21/2013 9:10 pm : link
Douchebags.Lifelong asshole.

Lt did get away with a ton of shit, don't know I would call it coddling.More like turning a blind eye, although I believe Parcells gave him shit on more than a few ocassions.

As for the coke, i don't care what anyone says, It helped him a few times to deliver his "snotshots". A Coked up LT is nothing to sneeze at, he'd fuck you up.

As far as his personal life, a mess, sure, seedy, sordid and tragic to behold. The one thing I thing that fans at the time realized was the relationship he had with them. This wasn't some aloof megolomaniac who was full of himself, this was a man who cherished his relationship with hsi fans, even as he himself tarnished his own legacy.

When they retired his number, he came out and said to us all, in the middle of the field at Giants Stadium,"This is about YOU and ME". He knew he wasn't perfect, and his life was already a mess at that point, but he never forsook his team, or his fans.For that I will always be grateful, and for all those Sunday afternoons I watched him terrorize the rest of the NFL as he changed the way the game was played.

Boomer can go Fuck Himself.
It's one thing to disagree with Boomer's comments on LT ,  
CT Charlie : 9/21/2013 9:13 pm : link
but another to call them "disgraceful." What's disgraceful about saying that LT is a terrible role model who abused drugs?
Are you really comparing cocaine to steroids?  
Rob_MTL : 9/21/2013 9:14 pm : link
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GWG  
steve in ky : 9/21/2013 9:21 pm : link
Has LT ever said he used coke during a game? I was never under that impression, and to be honest, I can't believe doing so would have helped his game. The man was the greatest from the first moment he took the field as a rookie, he didn't need any help from an drugs to deliver on the field, and I seriously doubt he would do so.

IMO LT abused himself with drugs, he didn't take them to get any type of edge on the field. I would be shocked to find out differently.
Boomer did not say LT was wrong  
Essex : 9/21/2013 9:29 pm : link
Steve Serby said LT belongs in the "Hall of Shame" as a person. I did not say one freaking word about that. I have also said you are free to draw whatever conclusions you want from LT's off the field troubles.

What is disgraceful is that for someone who was not in the locker room or in the organization to say that the Giants were to blame for LT's problems and that they enabled him is absurd. He has no idea what the Giants knew, what they did to get him help, or any of that. He was not there. If Boomer wanted to say, many teams in that era coddled stars, then that would be a valid opinion. I would also add that just because there is a perception that the Giants coddled him, doesn't make it so. Nobody here knows what the Giants did and did not do.

Second, I rarely get into the name calling that is prevalent on this site, but I really need to contain myself because I am about to explode. Anyone who thinks that abusing cocaine or crack (and LT used crack a lot of the time) will improve your performance and is comparable to HGH or Steroids is just so out in left field, I really wonder if they have any reasoning capacity.

How does anyone know  
nyfan76 : 9/21/2013 9:38 pm : link
what Boomer knows about the things that went on then. It is a pure guess to say he had no idea about Giants related things. For all any of us know, he had a great friend on the team and knew everything that went on.
Well  
Essex : 9/21/2013 9:43 pm : link
Bill Parcells says that is not what happened, and many others have as well. So, I am going to go with the people who were actually there and knew the flow of information. In this case, when you have a credibility contest with Giants and others who were in our building and some guy with a vendetta against the Giants, my money is on the people who were there. I really have a lot of faith in a guy who is comparable to AROD. LT may or may not be a worse person than AROD that is not for me to decide or the purpose of this thread. What LT did not do is cheat and AROD did. That is why any comparison between the way fans view them is absurd
Be honest though  
steve in ky : 9/21/2013 9:48 pm : link
What would you expect Parcells to say? His is not really an objective opinion.

I really don't see the outrage over someone having an opinion, regardless if I agree with it or not. Boomer is entitled to his.
You need to relax  
Modus Operandi : 9/21/2013 9:51 pm : link
You're taking this thing much too seriously with little to no information to defend what is a pretty bad dude.
many people  
Essex : 9/21/2013 9:53 pm : link
say I wish i did more.

just a few weeks ago, I watched the Glickman documentary and he said he always regretted not standing up for his black teammate who was allowed to play in the south. he regretted not standing up for him and said he could have done more, but did not because he did not want to be seen as a trouble maker.

parcells career is over, he is in the hall of fame, if he thinks he coddled him, it would be far from unprecedented to say that he wished he had done more or that he made mistakes etc and what those mistakes were. on the contrary, Parcells was furious about people who have lodged those allegations.
who was not allowed to play in the south  
Essex : 9/21/2013 9:53 pm : link
. . .
Right  
nyfan76 : 9/21/2013 9:54 pm : link
Why would Parcells say anything different?

But let's just take him by his word and bash anyone that says different. Makes sense.
nyfan76  
Essex : 9/21/2013 9:55 pm : link
he is not admitting to murder. it is very easy to say he made a mistake. what does it matter, you and boomer, without a shred of evidence that you have told me, have made your conclusions to the contrary.
nyfan, he was asked point blank several years ago  
Mason : 9/21/2013 10:17 pm : link
about the cocaine stuff with LT and he admitted that he knew nothing more than public knowledge. He stated that cocaine is similar to PEDs according to him since cocaine gives you a rush.

When asked about his guy, Stanley Wilson being so high during the SB, Boomer claimed he had no knowledge of his cocaine use during the SB which of course several members of the Bengals laughed off since it was common knowledge that several players "partied" the night before the game.
Disagree  
nyfan76 : 9/21/2013 10:19 pm : link
It's just as easy to not admit you did anything wrong.

I am not saying who I actually think is right, because I just don't know, nor do you. That's my only point.
Sounds like Boomer why  
Rob_MTL : 9/21/2013 10:33 pm : link
Athletes take PEDs to physically alter their bodys. It allows them to lift weights that no human possibly could.




re typo  
Rob_MTL : 9/21/2013 10:34 pm : link
Sounds like Boomer why
Nomatter, don't know why you are getting so bent out of  
Reese's Pieces : 9/22/2013 12:06 am : link
shape about this. Personal to you in some way?

Quote:
Seriously? Why shouldn't he be allowed to comment? That's a crock of shit and a big reason nothing can be discussed anywhere in this country. Everyone starts bitching the second something is said you don't agree with.


Don't understand. Everything is discussed everywhere in this country no matter how furious people get. Like abortion and the death penalty.

A lot of people think that it's OK to talk about what LT did but you shouldn't throw stones at him unless you're almost perfect yourself or you're sure that you, dealt the same hand as LT, would have played the cards better.
Cocaine as a PED lol  
Dhoe20 : 9/22/2013 1:35 am : link
Yeah maybe if you're playing Starcraft.
Boomer has a vendetta against...  
Chris in Philly : 9/22/2013 8:24 am : link
the Giants? Some of you guys really need to relax...
It's funny that you guys can't see the person who sits next to Carton  
jcn56 : 9/22/2013 8:34 am : link
for a living as just another talking head. He's just a ratings driven blowhard.

That's where I actually give the Francesser a bit of credit. He has stances - he's completely wrong on a lot of them, but he tends not to sway as much. Boomer will pick the side of the fence that will generate as much buzz as possible today and abandon it tomorrow.
On an unrelated note...  
Britt in VA : 9/22/2013 8:37 am : link
I remember when Boomer was on CBS, and it was either during halftime or after the game where Drew Brees was still on the Chargers and tore his shoulder apart diving into a pile for a fumble, and Boomer was talking about that and said:

"I might have gone for that fumble if it was me"...

and the other guys go "Did you just say you might have gone for the fumble?" incredulously.

Boomer was embarrassed, you could tell he wanted to take it back.
Boomer is just a phony...  
drkenneth : 9/22/2013 8:42 am : link
From attaching himself to Carton, and laughing at every stupid thing Carton says, to acting very professional-like on CBS pre game show.

He has 0.0% credibility in my book. I don't believe a word he says.
Boomer definitely doesn't like the Giants.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/22/2013 9:00 am : link
Even when they're doing well, you can tell he hates to compliment them.
Boomer  
nomad1986 : 9/22/2013 9:07 am : link
was "coddled" and "enabled" in exactly the same way LT was. That's how it works for "star" athletes going through the system in high school, college and the pros. The rules whatever they might be are ignored because of on the field performance.

No one could do what LT could do on the field and the Giants weren't going to lose that "star" player no matter what. That's happened about 100,000 times in the NFL including this week in SF.

I'll bet Boomer doesn't dare mention that on the "NFL" pre game show though.

Boomer's issue with LT is about the strike in 1987. But he doesn't have the guts to say it because he works for the NFL and he's a total hypocrite in every way.

Any of you that support that WFAN morning show by listening to it or buying anything those two assholes sponsor or promote are getting what you deserve.
I get what I deserve  
Modus Operandi : 9/22/2013 10:23 am : link
Entertaining radio.
Finally watched  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2013 10:38 am : link
this, and before I get to the Boomer comments, I guess I was the only one who didn't know how bad it was with LT and the drugs. He's a step away from Dexter Manley.

It was kind of sad to see.

Boomer comes across as a pretentious ass, holier than thou, jealous former player. Everyone else interviewed seemed kind of honest, but respectful, except Boomer.
I've been on BBI for over 10 years  
csb : 9/22/2013 12:18 pm : link
and while I usually hold this site in high regard this is one of the more embarrassing threads I've seen.

Randy- "Mind bottling"? Not only the dumbest post but also the dumbest phrase to boot.

Boomer can't talk about other player because he's from East Islip?

Boomer is actually harder on the Jets than he ever is on the gmen. If Boomer were talking about Mark Gastineau nobody here would have an issue, take a step back and judge LT objectively. I love LT but it is laughable the way some people on here are defending him.
csb  
Optimus-NY : 9/22/2013 12:38 pm : link
What do you mean by saying "you people".

Hmmmnn???
LT strikes back...  
Chris in Philly : 9/24/2013 12:48 pm : link
Hahaha.

“What the hell you got Boomer Esiason on something that — a piece you do of me? We can’t stand each other, he don’t know a f–k about me. What the hell’s he doing on it?” Taylor told Sid Rosenberg of 640 WMEN radio.

“First of all, Boomer’s a dickhead,” Taylor added. “Hey, listen. I remember when he was there running the streets, screwing all kind of hoes. Don’t give me that holier than thou sh-t. I don’t wanna hear that sh-t. . . . He gets off on it. He’s still talking about me. I ain’t talking about him.”
heh  
Greg from LI : 9/24/2013 12:50 pm : link
LT may be a dirtbag but I'll never get tired of him slamming clowns like Boomer.
Haha!  
SanFranGiantsFan : 9/24/2013 12:51 pm : link
Classic LT response.
CIP  
JOrthman : 9/24/2013 12:56 pm : link
Do you have the audio? I've love to hear that.
LT has lowered the boom on Boomer Esiason before,  
Exit 172 : 9/24/2013 12:57 pm : link
after Boomer took shots at LT:
From 2003. - ( New Window )
hahahaha....this is even better  
Greg from LI : 9/24/2013 12:59 pm : link
From that link:

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Taylor told the New York Post, "Maybe he should read the doggone book instead of going out of his way to be controversial--at my expense. ... Hall of Shame? Great. I got two Super Bowl rings, and my Hall of Fame ring. Thank you for my fourth ring. How many does he have?" For those of you counting at home, that would be zero.
NFL Myth #1:  
WideRight : 9/24/2013 1:00 pm : link
LT could have been even better if he didn't do drugs/hit the weight room.

He was the best all-time, and could not have ascended higher, pun intended. That he did it his way is a reflection of his talent and ability. Weight rooms and diets and dabbling in PEDs are for those who come in scond or worse. It's more than likely that any other path - including overdeveloping - could lead to injury or some other impediment to greatness.

Appreciate the GOAT for what he was

Parcells did not coddle LT  
WideRight : 9/24/2013 1:05 pm : link
LT played by a completely different set of rules. He was different, and Parcells did a very good job making it clear to the team that LTs treatment was based on production. The team understood, accepted it and everybody got along. It was a merit award, not favoritism
Anybody remember that clip of Parcells yelling on the sidelines,  
Exit 172 : 9/24/2013 1:08 pm : link
"Some of the these players need to GET THEIR HEADS OUT OF THIER ASSES!!!" as LT walked by?

Total coddling.
exactly  
Greg from LI : 9/24/2013 1:17 pm : link
It was like the story Banks told about Belichick getting pissed at LT for sleeping in a meeting. LT gets up and diagrams the entire pass rush scheme on the whiteboard. He knew it cold, he knew that he knew it cold and he made it happen on the field, so why did he have to pretend to pay attention in meetings? If you're that good, you can get away with that as long as you get the job done, and LT always got the job done on the field.
My 2 cents  
T-Bone : 9/24/2013 1:33 pm : link
I meant to comment on this thread a few days ago but forgot.

First off, I thought it was a really well done piece that I enjoyed very much. From beginning to end it had me captivated and I really enjoyed the comments from former players, coaches and people who knew LT back then.

Which brings me to Esiason's comments. Although I wouldn't go so far as to call them 'disgraceful', they did seem to have a real agenda behind them. I remember thinking that during the program whenever he came on. Keep in mind, this is coming from someone who had no idea about their past dislike for each other so I was confused as to where it was all coming from. Figured it was because he was a former Jet.

So with that said, I have no idea why they'd include Esiason in the piece. I can see if this was some kind of documentary or biographical piece that was 'unauthorized' (or in other words, the main character the piece was about was him or herself in no way affiliated with the piece on a personal level), but to have a guy that blatantly does not like the person who you're doing the piece on strikes me as strange...and LT letting it go (I'm guessing he had a say in the final cut) is even weirder (and then to complain about it afterwards is the weirdest of them all!).

Lastly, he's got some fine ass daughters! But how messed up that now his son is in trouble for...rape?
this is a bit  
PaulBlakeTSU : 9/24/2013 1:39 pm : link
of an overreaction I think. I didn't have a problem with what Boomer; I didn't see it as him attacking LT so much as offering up his opinion which I think he couched in a way so that it wasn't sanctimonious either.

People forget that soundbites are a part of a much longer expressed opinion and that they are in response to specifically asked questions. Boomer didn't call a press conference to attack LT. He was asked questions and he responded to them. THe director then edited the documentary to use the soundbites that best fit the story he himself was trying to tell.

I think there is a rational discussion to be made about the way NY fans excoriate ARod for taking PEDs but have no problem idolizing LT and condoning his use of cocaine during the games.

In my experiences with cocaine, I was more focused, more energetic and I felt invincible with supernatural confidence. I would consider all of those effects as performance-enhancing with regards to use on a football field. That the long term effects may be debilitating does not alter the short term positives. In baseball, many PEDs taken by players also have long-term debilitating effects-- that's why steroids are illegal in the first place

I'm not saying that steroids and cocaine boost performance in the same way, just that someone against both uses can think that looking the other way with regard to one substance over the other is inconsistent.
Anyone know what Boomer was referring to in this quote?  
steve in ky : 9/25/2013 9:45 pm : link
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“The only thing about where LT is wrong is I don’t hate LT,” Esiason said. “He may think I hate him. I don’t hate him. And what I do hate, is I hate the fact that he wrote the book, and he basically trashed the Giants, [Bill] Parcells, [Bill] Belichick and everything else.”


I didn't read LT's book. What could he be referring to when he says that LT trashed the Giants, Parcells, and Belichick?


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I read his book, but I don't recall anything like that.  
JOrthman : 9/25/2013 10:53 pm : link
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I'll have to take your word for it  
Bramton1 : 9/26/2013 12:11 am : link
Don't have Showtime, and for whatever reason, the documentary is noticeably absent from the torrent sites I frequent.
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