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| “Suddenly the boy walked up to a man and said, “Aren’t you … (Eli [Lasch] forgot the name)?” The man answered yes. Then the boy said, “I used to be your neighbour. We had a fight and you killed me with an axe.” Eli told me how the man had suddenly gone white as a sheet. The three-year-old boy then said, “I even know where he buried my body.” |
Good thing that we know that 3yr olds aren't an impressionable bunch and that there is no such thing as a false memory or I'd have to call bullshit on this story.
The boy also led the group to the spot where the axe was buried, forcing the accused killer to eventually confess his crime.
Since that would have happened after he died. He could not possibly have "remembered" it from his past life.
Crazy story. What explanation could there be outside of it being a fraud?
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Crazy story. What explanation could there be outside of it being a fraud?
I think we should stay inside and stick with it being a fraud.
Maybe it's all BS and the parents just want some attention. That's the most logical scenario. But I do think kids feel certain things that adults can't.
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The boy also led the group to the spot where the axe was buried, forcing the accused killer to eventually confess his crime.
Since that would have happened after he died. He could not possibly have "remembered" it from his past life.
Well... how could you say that? I mean, think about it, if you really do get reincarnated, I would think it reasonable to believe you still have some type of "consciousness", surely enough to watch your murderer getting rid of evidence before you find another body to inhabit.
Maybe it's all BS and the parents just want some attention. That's the most logical scenario. But I do think kids feel certain things that adults can't.
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Very freaky. And I am not religious at all not believe in these things. Strange to consider.
I love hanging out with kids. One of the reasons is that when they're that young they haven't been "corrupted" with all of our rules. "From the mouths of babes" and such sayings are a reference to this.
Don't mistake their not being fully indoctrinated yet with some supernatural ability.
i see an extraordinary claim and...zero proof.
yawn.
The baby knew all about the murder because he fell asleep in front of the TV, and who the hell listens to 3-year-olds anyway???
Like he's talking about a story he saw on tv and played, based on it, with his friends and siblings. This is what my friends and I did with Batman, when we were 2-4.
No, monkeys flew out Lawrence Taylor's butt and implanted the knowledge in the baby's microchip. It's proven!
I should read through threads before posting
Who fucking knows? is the correct response.
But bullshit about "a part of the brain that other people don't use" is the worst kind of bullshit.
Look, the world is fantastical enough without having to have magic to explain what goes on.
It's okay to say, "I don't know, but I highly doubt that there is magic involved."
You have to pay, not sure how much. It's a really amazing story.
Can also search Soul Survivor.
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You're a bunch of chemical and electrical reactions that fancies itself special. You aren't. None of us are. And when the chemical and electrical shit stops, you stop.
Get down to the quantum level regarding memory and then shit gets way weirder than "magic".
Ha!
Yeah it's "possible" ... like the modality has been neither proven nor disproven but "possible."
Oh-kaaaay.
It is and it isn't outlandish.
There's no mechanism defined that could do that. That's not to say that one doesn't exist, it's just farfetched considering all that we know about how the brain works.
We're programmed to find patterns in everything- that's what our brains do. We're also masters of rationalization.
Put those two together and you end up with your thesis.
What's more probable, that there's some unknown power that only some folks have, or that your brain is searching for a pattern, picks one, and then rationalizes it into an "unknown power"?
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They could just be innocently mistaken by a natural event and not have the capacity to recognize as such.
They don't have to be one or the other.
They could just be rationalizing something they can't explain..and on top of that have biases from "ghost stories" and the like. We're great at fooling ourselves.
I guess you've never had someone that you trusted completely destroy that trust?
We barely really know our own motivations much less the motivations of another.
I meant something not or not yet explicable to address the point that you made, that there are likely natural explanations for the vast majority - perhaps all - of the non-fraud claims.
There's certainly some fraud out there, but I'd guess the vast majority are innocent misappropriations.
supernatural phenomena are most likely explained by people who can't explain what they've experienced, and who, due to that inability to explain, latch onto something fantastical.
that doesn't necessarily mean they're full of shit (though some are). it just means they're wrong and they refuse to acknowledge the plausible explanations that actually have grounding in science.
if I saw a ghost, my first reaction would not be "ghosts are real!" it would be "shit, who spiked my tea?"
like I said at first: yawn.
There are thousands of such stories. Maybe my grandmother's can be explained by her age, the age and condition of the house and suggestability (she wasn't familiar with that particular story but she was familiar with some of the stories of the neighborhood). Many, maybe all, have rational explanations or would if viewed by a disinterested observer. But it's still fucking weird.
I know that's hard to accept because of the respect and admiration you have for them, but that is, by far, the most likely explanation.
now, if your grandmother had videotaped an encounter, there'd be some other evidence to consider.
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I know that's hard to accept because of the respect and admiration you have for them, but that is, by far, the most likely explanation.
now, if your grandmother had videotaped an encounter, there'd be some other evidence to consider.
Well, no. My grandmother was quite lucid until the end, she was only in her late 70's when she passed, she did volunteer tax preparation until the year prior to her passing. There was no other discernible decline in her mental faculties. So either her dementia manifested itself in one highly particular way that, while troubling, was never more than incidental to her life, or it's a knee-jerk explanation about as grounded in reality as the idea that the ghost of a long-dead crime victim was hiding reading glasses.
sorry, but your grandmother's eye witness account of a haunting is no more believable than any other. and not one, in the history of time, has ever been proven true.
The problem is stopping there.
The next step is, "Let's find out!"
but explaining a pair of reading glasses moving from one location to another and an old lady forgetting about where she put them - I feel slightly more comfortable making a guess.
That's how humans have figured out everything we have to date.
Observe the event, propose a hypothesis, design a test, run the test, refine the test, repeat the test and repeat the process until discovery.
If the hypothesis fails, you need a new hypothesis.
Btw, at the Noah's Arc museum they are building in Kentucky, they are including an allosaurus to represent the dinosaurs that lived at that time. I wonder, though how they are going to fit an apatosaurus, which got to be 100 feet tall. I also wonder why the Bible never mentioned dinosaurs.
Thoughts?
I asked him how he did it, and he tapped the side of his head and said "idea making." (His English wasn't all that great.)
Later under his tutelage I learned to a minor extent to feel my own "Chi". Whatever Chi or Ki or Kundalini is, (my teacher said it was the body's "electrical system") it is real, although very few people outside of those who have practiced it extensively can admit it or even imagine it. The idea of it doesn't exist through several cultures on pure whim alone.
So what duned said: wtf knows really how this stuff is possible? But I would tend to believe it is until demonstrated elsewise.
I asked him how he did it, and he tapped the side of his head and said "idea making it is" (His English wasn't all that great.)
Later under his tutelage I learned to a minor extent to feel my own "the force". Whatever the force or the force or the force is, (my teacher said it was the mind's "mitichlorian system") it is real, although very few people outside of those who have practiced it extensively can admit it or even imagine it. The idea of it doesn't exist through several cultures on pure whim alone.
So what duned said: wtf knows really how this stuff is possible? But I would tend to believe it is until demonstrated elsewise.
Those who doubt me suck cock by choice
I'm just an onion like everybody else, chica.
...with control issues.
Something about accepting things.
I will say though, that I tend to be a bit wild while pitching; my chi usually ends up all over the place- which is partially why I like my catchers immobile.
had some house guests a few years ago, a 5-year old girl told her mom she saw a small girl walking around ... kids ...
That's how humans have figured out everything we have to date.
Observe the event, propose a hypothesis, design a test, run the test, refine the test, repeat the test and repeat the process until discovery.
If the hypothesis fails, you need a new hypothesis.
LOL this is almost textbook verbatim..
the kid witnessed the murder. As a toddler, probably thought nothing of it. Only later, at three, the memory resurfaces and the kid now realizes the import of the event but can't fit the memory into its proper context.
Superstitious adults take the case and run with it.
Wuphat, can you imagine a person breaking a 2x4 across the grain with a palm strike? Or even 2 2x4s stacked directly on each other? My highest level teachers did those demonstrations in public in front of large audiences at MA exhibitions. Much of the audience was other martial artists, including rather famous ones.
Funny enough, before performing those breaks they would do a breathing exercise that would cause their palms to swell to about double in size and glow bright red, too. And that actually has a rational physical explanation; they could control their autonomous nervous system and dilate the vascular system in specific parts of their bodies at will.
I think I've just found the secret to how we can all start attracting 10's...please tell your sensei that we are all grateful.
very few people who haven't seriously practiced jedi arts or the force can't believe the stories or existence of "mitichlorians" has basis.
BlueLou, can you imagine a person breaking a 2x4 across the grain with the force? Or even 2 2x4s stacked directly on each other? My highest level jedi masters did those demonstrations in public in front of large audiences at Death Star exhibitions. Much of the audience was other jedi knights and stormtroopers, including rather famous ones like Darth Vader.
Funny enough, before performing those breaks they would do a breathing exercise that would cause their palms to swell to about double in speed and glow bright with lightning, too. And that actually has a rational physical explanation; they could control their autonomous nervous system and dilate the vascular system in specific parts of their bodies by controlling the force.
That's just me, tho.
That's just me, tho.
Yep. If I had the ability to double the size of my appendages and make them glow red, I'd be a pornsstar. I'd go by the name Jon, the jolly red average sized guy.
And I'd have a canine sidekick named, "Sparky the glowing ballon hand boy's dog."
I'd spend all day fighting crime for money and all night romancing the honeys.
And I wouldn't be like no sissy ass A-Team always doing shit for free. Cash up front, just like craigslist.
Cam in MO : 4:15 pm : link : reply
I'd find more interesting (and profitable) things to do rather than break some wood in half.
That's just me, tho.
Breaking 2x4s was a very rarely performed exhibition. I saw it once, maybe twice in 5+ years of practicing. It wasn't done at our own schools' exhibitions, but only when our school created large public exhibitions together with about 10 other major MA schools scattered throughout the SF Bay area. None of the other schools featured guys breaking 2x4s with their bare hands. And the other schools' masters paid real close attention when our guy(s) did.
Shep - breaking boards with the grain is relative child's play - that's what we did as students, that's not 6th+ Dan master level breaking. Bricks and tiles BTW are also low level stuff, black belt level 1st dan...
I'm not sure if he was poking fun at guys breaking stacks of boards with kicks and punches when he did it, but one of the young masters I knew from our school responded to several others' demos of breaking stacks of boards by doing the same thing - with a fingertip.
if so, you may want to check out ESPN on occasion. they do more than break wooden boards now. they can break multiple concrete blocks.
and they can do all of that without "chi," which is complete and total bullshit.
Sport science or some similar show that called the individuals they taped 'supermen' found a Muy-Ty guy who could break a baseball bat with his bare leg, and they were very, very impressed. BTW that vid had a big warning at the beginning - DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME!
Other vids I've seen of guys breaking 2 x 4s with bare hands - not in one blow but 3 or 4, and with a cloth or something on the 2 x 4 itself so that they don't break their hand, first...
Personally I'm rather fond of the Shaolin superhumans series of videos. And I saw my masters doing very similar shit. If it ain't Chi, what is it that allows these guys to do this stuff?
Breaking bricks and concrete blocks is not so tough...
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It's a very guarded secret that only the most skilled jedi knights can master.
Sure you might get Padawans to break through some bricks with the force, but 2x4s? Pshaw!
It's a very guarded secret that only the most skilled jedi knights can master.
Sure you might get Padawans to break through some bricks with the force, but 2x4s? Pshaw!
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
When med research finally gets to outlining the "electrical system" of the meridians that is currently called Chi, I want to see ya'll say Bluelou told us about this shit looong ago!
The time to accept a claim is once it's veracity has been demonstrated, not before.
If that does happen, you may indeed have been right, but it would have been for all the wrong reasons.
Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean you have to be hostile to the possibility as yet unproven.
There is a difference between not accepting something based on facts not in evidence and ridiculing it because it disagrees with your view of the world.
A lot of cultures accept reincarnation as a fact of existence (some cultures are scared of the sun god some believe there was a son of god some believe in a burning bush blah blah blah.)
We know not nearly as much as we think we know about our bodies, our brains, the planet on which we live, etc etc. There is much to learn it would be wise to keep an open mind.
That is the very definition of open-mindedness.
If I were closed-minded, I would deny that the claim had been demonstrated once it had been.
But, no, I'll gladly change my mind on a subject (in fact, I have on many occasions) if the evidence supports the claim.
The time to accept a claim is once it's veracity has been demonstrated, not before...
But that's just it - while it wasn't demonstrated to me in the form of medical evidence, it was demonstrated hands on, directly. I felt the force of Chi in someone else, and at other times years later in myself. I never would have got to the point of feeling it if I hadn't been demonstrated by my master that he had it. It took years of practicing the martial art in class and an extra hour almost every day of meditation to get to that point, and I never would have had the devotion to do that if I hadn't been shown it.
So for me, it's already proven.
Medical research has been pretty slow to catch it and "proove" it but it's not like tons of research $$ are gonna be thrown at something that doesn't show potential to reap huge profits in our world. Just the opposite in fact, because when the electrical system of the body gets figured out it will open up huge areas of preventative medicine, and curative medicine that is largely drug free, and validate gobs of as yet unsubstantiated claims about various life-style practices that can promote and aid good health in the absence of drugs.
But as my teacher suggested, eventually it will be proven by legit western medical style research - because it is real.
Thanks oghwga for chipping in a very reasonable post, but truly the 'close mindedness' of those who haven't seen it demonstrated doesn't bug me. I would have pshawed it myself before I practiced MA, whether that's "close-minded" or not.
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And I'll change my view accordingly.
That is the very definition of open-mindedness.
I would think that a better definition of open mindedness would be to acknowledge possibilities contrary to your convictions. Acknowledging proven facts merely suggests you are not totally boneheaded
Isn't it possible I've seen it demonstrated and come to a completely different conclusion than you have?
Maybe a third person has come to a third different conclusion.
How, then, do we determine which is correct?
We investigate as outlined above.
When you say it's been demonstrated to you, all you're relaying is an anecdote. And you see, the plural of anecdote is not data.
Sure Lou's claims are possible, but not likely.
It's possible that the force as described in Star Wars is a real thing, too but not likely.
I could be wrong on both accounts. And if someone were to ever demonstrate either in a testable, repeatable, and falsifiable manner, then I'm on board.
But not a second sooner.
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He claims to have seen something much weirder and more far out than I have. He said he saw the tribe witch doctor kill a chicken... by pointing at it!
Darth Vader style.
One of my favorites also
That's not to imply duplicity in any way, just that the brain does some weird shit when it's presented with conflicting information.
If something like chi exists, then it must somehow manifest in some measurable way. If someone can show me how that happens, and the mechanism by which it does, then my congrats to them for winning the Nobel Prize.
Oh, it will be.
I'd also make it a rule that to progress to level 3 (out of a possible 432 levels) that my students girlfriends have to sleep with me.
Boom! Science, bitches!
Again, congrats in advance to whoever does on their Nobel Prize.
You'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath waiting for that to happen though, won't you?
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I'd also make it a rule that to progress to level 3 (out of a possible 432 levels) that my students girlfriends have to sleep with me.
Meh, Charlie managed it and I'm not even planning on starting any race riots.
That doesn't mean that there are kids who've been reincarnated or kids that can see dead people. That doesn't mean there's a God or a supreme being. It just means that there is stuff we can't begin to understand.
I always try and lean towards the logical. The majority of these crazy paranormal stories are absolute BS. Usually just stupid douchebags with an agenda. But every now and then you read a story that seems legitimately interesting. I found the story of that kid who thought he was a reincarnated fighter pilot fascinating. If you actually watch video of that story you realize that this kids parents must've coached him extremely well for this to be a fraud. And maybe I'm just naïve but I don't want to believe that every single one of these stories has to do with selfish parents.
I think animals and kids have a better feel for nature than we do. We lose touch with that raw animal aspect of us when we grow and our brain starts becoming more active in other areas. Just straight broscience on my part and doesn't mean that I think kids can see dead people. But I've always been interested in paranormal stories involving young kids.
Muay Thai fighters kicking through the handle of a baseball bat as an exhibition is actually very common. If you knew anything about the sport, you'd know that these guys train by kicking banana trees until their shins develop micro fractures and that the re calcification of the bone allows them to build bigger, stronger shin bones.
to a layman, that may seem like magic, but it's actually easily explained by the adaptability of the human body. break it down in a certain way and it actually builds up stronger.
perfect example of this "I don't get it so it must be magic" position of yours.
Come on Shep... just look at what one of the Chi MASTERS have to work with!
Man, I KNEW Cam was a budding serial killer.
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Meh, Charlie managed it and I'm not even planning on starting any race riots.
Man, I KNEW Cam was a budding serial killer.
Tell you what- there are some days that I wish I didn't have any feelings.
Luckily my dealer doctor wrote me a script for some great pills that pretty much get rid of them. I saw a commercial for them and all I had to do was ask. A hell of a lot cheaper than trying to buy this shit on the street.
Because depression hurts, but you don't have to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crkHJnMxNo4
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Ah damn...I knew I lacked the mental makeup and patience of these master martial artists, who have proven themselves in their dojos or classrooms and rarely in real life settings. I guess I'll never get myself the 10's like this guy.
where did the alcohol come from? amazing! i have no clue how he did it, but he's been making wine for 20 years, so he can harness the power of the universe to make alcohol out of thin air.
gotta be magic.
It's bottled directly from the sweat of Shaolin monks, so you know it's quality.
Like your fb comments often are, you're clueless, fool.
good call though.
Wait...you guys are facebook buddies? Or did you actually shortened football to fb?
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... then i'm just going to consider the source and ignore it.
Please do. Less of you is definitely more.