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DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 8:07 am
Porzingis certainly didn't have any conditioning issues late in Wednesday's game against Philadelphia.

With five minutes to play in the fourth quarter, he gathered the ball at the top of the key, pumped-faked, took two dribbles to get around Nerlens Noel and threw down an uncontested dunk. You can watch the play here.

The dunk was Porzingis final basket of the night, leaving him with 17 points to go along with 10 rebounds. He has nine double-doubles in 19 games -- the sixth-highest total in the NBA.

Hes been pretty good, Knicks guard Jose Calderon said with a grin.
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will the Warriors ever lose?  
giants#1 : 12/3/2015 8:49 am : link
40 pts on just 18 shots for Curry...
KP has a good shot at Rookie of the Year.  
Ira : 12/3/2015 8:51 am : link
He has the best +/- of all rookies and his game has been improving as the season progresses.
RE: will the Warriors ever lose?  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 8:54 am : link
In comment 12658586 giants#1 said:
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40 pts on just 18 shots for Curry...


I'm trying to figure out how good the Warriors would be without Curry.
RE: KP has a good shot at Rookie of the Year.  
Deej : 12/3/2015 8:56 am : link
In comment 12658592 Ira said:
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He has the best +/- of all rookies and his game has been improving as the season progresses.


I just said it on the game thread -- he closed he statistical gap on KAT. PER, WS48, PPG, RPG, BPG -- they're pretty even right now.
DRAGOoooooooo!!!!!...  
Torrag : 12/3/2015 9:02 am : link
DRAGOooooooooooooo!!!!.....
What's so weird  
ryanmkeane : 12/3/2015 9:09 am : link
is that in the past 10 years or so, every time there's been a foreign guy who is labeled "3-4 years away" before being drafted, it's usually right on the money. Everyone was SO wrong about this kid.
I loved KP's  
ryanmkeane : 12/3/2015 9:17 am : link
comment to a reporter who asked about the 3-4 year thing. He said something to the effect of "well, I didn't quite understand that, because although I'll definitely improve and be good in 3-4 years, I also feel like I'm good right now." Great stuff.
I still feel like this is some cruel trick being played on us  
Stu11 : 12/3/2015 9:39 am : link
Knicks fans. This doesn't happen for us. We don't have the next big star in the draft fall to us magically. we miss him by one or two tantalizing spots (Westbrook/Curry).
Curry has reached legendary status in my eyes.  
Doubledeuce22 : 12/3/2015 9:45 am : link
He is GREAT at everything not just good. Guy is the best 3 point shooter that I have seen and has a better handle on the ball than anyone in the league.
RE: I still feel like this is some cruel trick being played on us  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 9:46 am : link
In comment 12658751 Stu11 said:
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Knicks fans. This doesn't happen for us. We don't have the next big star in the draft fall to us magically. we miss him by one or two tantalizing spots (Westbrook/Curry).


PORZINGIS
Just wait til  
Doubledeuce22 : 12/3/2015 9:47 am : link
Porzingis grows a little more into his frame. He is going to be all NBA defense.
RE: Curry has reached legendary status in my eyes.  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 12/3/2015 9:52 am : link
In comment 12658774 Doubledeuce22 said:
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He is GREAT at everything not just good. Guy is the best 3 point shooter that I have seen and has a better handle on the ball than anyone in the league.


2016 Steph Curry is the closest thing the NBA has ever seen to a basketball Gretzky. He's unreal.
How many wins would the Warriors have without him? That roster looks  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 9:56 am : link
pretty damn average without him.
Its going to be interesting to see how Porzingis adjusts now  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 9:57 am : link
teams are going to start pushing up on him trying to make him put the ball on the deck and drive....

I want him to work on the one dribble pull up, jab step and shoot and his post game...

Melo is great at creating space for himself so i hope those 2 work together and Melo shows him a coupleof things to add...
RE: How many wins would the Warriors have without him? That roster looks  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 9:59 am : link
In comment 12658799 BeerFridge said:
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pretty damn average without him.


They would be an average team....It depends who the PG would be rather than Curry...

You are basically taking their leading scorer off their team, so it depends what you think of Thompson and Barnes..

Those 2 would be the ones to step up in shots and scoring oppurtunities...

I dont think they would suck...
Still  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 9:59 am : link
think Draymond remains underrated by the masses.
RE: RE: Curry has reached legendary status in my eyes.  
ryanmkeane : 12/3/2015 10:00 am : link
In comment 12658789 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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He is GREAT at everything not just good. Guy is the best 3 point shooter that I have seen and has a better handle on the ball than anyone in the league.



2016 Steph Curry is the closest thing the NBA has ever seen to a basketball Gretzky. He's unreal.


In my opinion, Jordan's 2 seasons back to back from 86-88 of averaging 37-5-5 and 35-6-5 were the single two best seasons in NBA history and it's not close. Let's see what Curry finishes up with this season...
Right now,  
ryanmkeane : 12/3/2015 10:01 am : link
Curry is averaging 32-6-5. I would expect him to finish at around 30-4-4. That's still incredible.
..  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:01 am : link
Livingston/barbosa
Thompson/Rush
Barnes/Iguodola
Green/Speights
Bogut/ezeli

They could compete in the east for a 5th or 6th seed...

I think Curry is so good it is kind of diminishing how good Thompson and Green are...
Brief run down of NBA this year  
dep026 : 12/3/2015 10:03 am : link
East has 11 teams over .500
West has 6 teams over .500

Biggest surprises:
Rookie class has done quite well. Towns, Okafor, Mudiday, Porzingis have been better than expected.
Rick Carlisle remains the 2nd best coach in the NBA. No way Dallas should be this good.
Curry is in another stratosphere.
Paul George is back and dominating.
Drummond may have claimed best center in NBA.

Biggest disappointments:
Pelicans have been a disaster
Rockets/Wizards/Bucks have taken major step backs
Rose has been awful
Harden, Davis, Lillard are putting up points, but not good percentages for them.
Minnesota hasnt taken the step they were suppose too.
RE: Right now,  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:04 am : link
In comment 12658815 ryanmkeane said:
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Curry is averaging 32-6-5. I would expect him to finish at around 30-4-4. That's still incredible.


Iverson did it in back to back years

2000-01 he averaged 31 5 and 4 and 3 steals

in the following year he averaged 31 6 and 5 and 3 steals...
in 2004  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:05 am : link
Iverson averaged 31 8 and 4 with 2 steals...
If the Celtics traded for  
ryanmkeane : 12/3/2015 10:05 am : link
Anthony, they could absolutely make the Finals with the roster they have. They have the assets to do it as well. I love Brad Stevens and what he's done to coach these kids up.
RE: ..  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 10:06 am : link
In comment 12658816 nygiants16 said:
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Livingston/barbosa
Thompson/Rush
Barnes/Iguodola
Green/Speights
Bogut/ezeli

They could compete in the east for a 5th or 6th seed...

I think Curry is so good it is kind of diminishing how good Thompson and Green are...


Yeah, that maybe. They would be a good, but not great team. I just was thinking about it because it reminded me of when Jordan left the Bulls and they were pretty good but not great. Where would the Warriors be? They certainly would have to play VERY differently than they do. And without Curry to play off of, I wonder how successful Thompson and Green would be.

I hope it doesn't happen, because I love Steph Curry. He's just so great.
RE: If the Celtics traded for  
dep026 : 12/3/2015 10:07 am : link
In comment 12658826 ryanmkeane said:
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Anthony, they could absolutely make the Finals with the roster they have. They have the assets to do it as well. I love Brad Stevens and what he's done to coach these kids up.


No they couldnt. When healthy, no one is beating Cleveland in the east.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 10:07 am : link
throw a max offer at Whiteside. I think KP/Melo/Whiteside could anchor a title contender.
RE: I'd  
dep026 : 12/3/2015 10:08 am : link
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throw a max offer at Whiteside. I think KP/Melo/Whiteside could anchor a title contender.


You will have to battle chicago for him. I heard they are enamored with him.
RE: I'd  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 10:08 am : link
In comment 12658834 DanMetroMan said:
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throw a max offer at Whiteside. I think KP/Melo/Whiteside could anchor a title contender.


Wow. Interesting. Miami would have to match that, though.
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nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:08 am : link
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Livingston/barbosa
Thompson/Rush
Barnes/Iguodola
Green/Speights
Bogut/ezeli

They could compete in the east for a 5th or 6th seed...

I think Curry is so good it is kind of diminishing how good Thompson and Green are...



Yeah, that maybe. They would be a good, but not great team. I just was thinking about it because it reminded me of when Jordan left the Bulls and they were pretty good but not great. Where would the Warriors be? They certainly would have to play VERY differently than they do. And without Curry to play off of, I wonder how successful Thompson and Green would be.

I hope it doesn't happen, because I love Steph Curry. He's just so great.


If curry left and they added a distributing PG they could still be good because they would hve someone to feed Thompson green and Barnes and they would not have to find their own shot...

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DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 10:09 am : link
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throw a max offer at Whiteside. I think KP/Melo/Whiteside could anchor a title contender.



You will have to battle chicago for him. I heard they are enamored with him.


Maybe so but I'd give it a go. I'm 100% convinced he's the goods and I think Melo/KP/Whiteside could really do damage. I wouldn't want to face the Knicks if I were the rest of the NBA.
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nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:09 am : link
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throw a max offer at Whiteside. I think KP/Melo/Whiteside could anchor a title contender.



Wow. Interesting. Miami would have to match that, though.


They cant no bird rights...
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DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 10:10 am : link
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throw a max offer at Whiteside. I think KP/Melo/Whiteside could anchor a title contender.



Wow. Interesting. Miami would have to match that, though.


No harm in trying. Maybe you get lucky and sell the guy on an expanded role/young co-star vs. the aging Heat? I just think it's an avenue we haven't really discussed but KP/Whiteside could be DEATH to other teams and Melo would have less defensive pressure on him with 2 7 foot monsters behind him.
Nevermind did not realize how much money they have coming off  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:10 am : link
the books...
RE: in 2004  
ryanmkeane : 12/3/2015 10:11 am : link
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Iverson averaged 31 8 and 4 with 2 steals...

Good call, those Iverson years were just filthy, all time great.
People also forget how good Mcgrady was  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:14 am : link
His 2002 season was insane:

32 6 and 7 just insane...
RE: RE: I'd  
Enzo : 12/3/2015 10:14 am : link
In comment 12658837 dep026 said:
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You will have to battle chicago for him. I heard they are enamored with him.

almost the whole league could use a guy like him...and nearly every team is going to have max level cap space.
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BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 10:15 am : link
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Iverson averaged 31 8 and 4 with 2 steals...


Good call, those Iverson years were just filthy, all time great.


Iverson's shooting was never as good as Curry's is. Not from 2, 3 or the line. Curry shoots as well from 3 as Iverson did for 2 pointers.
Kobe Bryant back to back years  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:16 am : link
2005-2007 first year: 35 5 and 5
second year: 32 5 and 6
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nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:16 am : link
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Iverson averaged 31 8 and 4 with 2 steals...


Good call, those Iverson years were just filthy, all time great.



Iverson's shooting was never as good as Curry's is. Not from 2, 3 or the line. Curry shoots as well from 3 as Iverson did for 2 pointers.


Curry is obviously the better shooter but Iverson was just unreal...he put his body threw hell and did not care...
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DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 10:16 am : link
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You will have to battle chicago for him. I heard they are enamored with him.


almost the whole league could use a guy like him...and nearly every team is going to have max level cap space.


But we have 2 7 foot whiteys with pull... Phil and KP! wooooooooooo
You get  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:17 am : link
Melo KP and Whiteside and i could play SG...
Warriors, Curry  
Deej : 12/3/2015 10:20 am : link
there are some holes in his game. The pendulum has swung too far re his D -- he's still average at best IMO. That said, he's playing like a guy who was miscalibrated in a video game. Bo Jackson in techmobowl, or Federov in NHL95. And for a guy who isnt super physically gifted like LeBron or Shaq, it's just a wonder.

Without Curry, I dont think the Warriors are bad, but I'd guess they're no better than the 6 seed in the West. I really believe that the difference between great and ok teams in the NBA really is one or two players. You get into trouble when you dont have guys to play the right roles, so other guys have to punch above their weight. Curry leading that offense and being "the guy" lets other guys not shoulder that burden. If Green and Thompson had to be the big dogs, I think holes in their game would be exposed a lot more.
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BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 10:21 am : link
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Iverson averaged 31 8 and 4 with 2 steals...


Good call, those Iverson years were just filthy, all time great.



Iverson's shooting was never as good as Curry's is. Not from 2, 3 or the line. Curry shoots as well from 3 as Iverson did for 2 pointers.



Curry is obviously the better shooter but Iverson was just unreal...he put his body threw hell and did not care...


Absolutely. I don't mean to crap on Iverson - he was great (although as a UConn/Knicks fan I wasn't a big supporter of him). I just want to put Curry's incredible efficiency in perspective. From the counting stats, their performances look similar but Curry is just so much more efficient than any other player playing his position now... and maybe ever.
Porzingis...  
TyreeHelmet : 12/3/2015 10:22 am : link
has been a godsend. He truly is amazing. He plays with Dirk's demeanor but might be a better athlete and definitely a better defender. What a tremendous piece to build around offensively and defensively.

The Sixers are complete garbage. Nerlens Noel looks terrible to me. I don't see how the sixers rebuild will work. It's such a toxic environment to be that bad of an NBA team.
RE: If the Celtics traded for  
Enzo : 12/3/2015 10:24 am : link
In comment 12658826 ryanmkeane said:
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Anthony, they could absolutely make the Finals with the roster they have. They have the assets to do it as well. I love Brad Stevens and what he's done to coach these kids up.

so they're just magically adding him to their roster without giving up anyone important from it?
Curry is the best shooter I've ever seen  
Greg from LI : 12/3/2015 10:25 am : link
By a fairly wide margin, too. He's supernatural.
I was the opposite beerfridge,  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:25 am : link
i loved watching Iverson play, even as a Knicks fan he was just fun to watch...
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ryanmkeane : 12/3/2015 10:26 am : link
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Anthony, they could absolutely make the Finals with the roster they have. They have the assets to do it as well. I love Brad Stevens and what he's done to coach these kids up.


so they're just magically adding him to their roster without giving up anyone important from it?


Didn't say that. But they have 4 first round picks in the upcoming draft, including Brooklyn's unprotected lottery. You think the Knicks wouldn't think hard on that?
wow a frontcourt..  
Italianju : 12/3/2015 10:28 am : link
with KP and Whiteside would be so dominant with blocks and on the boards.

This is def the opposite of what usually happens for the knicks. I guess we were due to get lucky. I mean KP skill set is incredible. You can see how good of a passer he is as well.
I love seeing Milwaukee struggle.  
bceagle05 : 12/3/2015 10:28 am : link
So predictable that a team built on defense last season would take a step back with Monroe and Parker introduced into the lineup.
Iverson in college  
Enzo : 12/3/2015 10:28 am : link
was must see TV...which is pretty rare IMO. He was on a completely different level athletically than most guys in the NBA. In college he was in another universe.
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nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:31 am : link
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Anthony, they could absolutely make the Finals with the roster they have. They have the assets to do it as well. I love Brad Stevens and what he's done to coach these kids up.


so they're just magically adding him to their roster without giving up anyone important from it?



Didn't say that. But they have 4 first round picks in the upcoming draft, including Brooklyn's unprotected lottery. You think the Knicks wouldn't think hard on that?


No I dont, i dont think Phil regresses more and starts trading pieces off to ge tmore draft picks...

He has his future star and current star and now he is going to build around them through free agency...

Melo's contract doe snot hurt their flexibility there is really no reason for the Knicks to trade him..
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Enzo : 12/3/2015 10:32 am : link
In comment 12658905 ryanmkeane said:
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Didn't say that. But they have 4 first round picks in the upcoming draft, including Brooklyn's unprotected lottery. You think the Knicks wouldn't think hard on that?

the Brooklyn pick is an exciting asset but most of their other incoming picks have all kinds of protections on them which decrease their value - as we saw this past draft when Charlotte wouldn't accept their trade-up offer. Boston's roster has some nice players but it's lacking star potential. Their best asset is the coach. Regardless, Melo has a no-trade and there's very little chance he waives it to go to Boston.

RE: I love seeing Milwaukee struggle.  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:32 am : link
In comment 12658915 bceagle05 said:
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So predictable that a team built on defense last season would take a step back with Monroe and Parker introduced into the lineup.


They started regressing last year when they traded Knight away which was Dumb...i still dont understand that trade...
A trade to the Celtics would only happen  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 10:32 am : link
if Melo demanded it and only wanted to go to the Celtics. Don't think either of those will happen. Melo loves KP.
signing Whiteside would be awesome on multiple levels  
Greg from LI : 12/3/2015 10:35 am : link
On one level, he's a tremendous young big man who would make the team so much better. On another level, it would be SO, so damned sweet to stick it to the fucking Heat and Pat the Rat after being fucked over by them so many times over the years.
RE: Brief run down of NBA this year  
Deej : 12/3/2015 10:37 am : link
In comment 12658818 dep026 said:
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East has 11 teams over .500
West has 6 teams over .500

Biggest surprises:
Rookie class has done quite well. Towns, Okafor, Mudiday, Porzingis have been better than expected.
Rick Carlisle remains the 2nd best coach in the NBA. No way Dallas should be this good.
Curry is in another stratosphere.
Paul George is back and dominating.
Drummond may have claimed best center in NBA.

Biggest disappointments:
Pelicans have been a disaster
Rockets/Wizards/Bucks have taken major step backs
Rose has been awful
Harden, Davis, Lillard are putting up points, but not good percentages for them.
Minnesota hasnt taken the step they were suppose too.


We all slept on Paul George. Guy is a top 10 player. For real -- not the top 10 that has 25 players.

I havent seen Mudiay much, but the stats say that he has been dreadful. Historically bad shooting and a ton of TOs. Im not sure I've ever seen a Win Share rate as low as Mudiay's -.119 (even Bennett was essentially a 0 WS48 guy). Worst WS48 guy last year with 800+ minutes (10/game) was Stephenson at -.026.

Not sure why you're down on Minny. 8-10 is pretty good when your three best players are 20 years old. I like their trajectory. And I think they're really smart to have guys like KG, Martin, and Miller there to mold these kids. Vets can really help kids learn the way, and the teams like Philly to go vet free I think are making a HUGE mistake in terms of player development.
Come on guys do you really want to split these 2 up?  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:37 am : link
They love each other!!



anyone know who Whiteside  
Enzo : 12/3/2015 10:37 am : link
has for an agent?
Whiteside  
Deej : 12/3/2015 10:38 am : link
great talent. 10 cent head. He's a big risk.
How  
Jon in NYC : 12/3/2015 10:43 am : link
long before this Robin Lopez contract starts to be called really bad? 5/6 in 22 minutes last night.
RE: anyone know who Whiteside  
Deej : 12/3/2015 10:44 am : link
In comment 12658958 Enzo said:
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has for an agent?


Sean Kennedy of Excel. He doesnt have any current, relevant clients. Wouldnt surprise me if HW switched. But in the same 6 agent firm is Goldfeder (Afflalo, Isaiah Thomas, Blake...), Jeff Schwartz (Tyson Chandler, Joe Johnson, Pierce, Kemba, Barnes, AlJeff, Kidd (shouldnt be allowed IMO), MCW, Drummond, Jennings, Love...), and the agents for Clarkson & Middleton.
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RE: anyone know who Whiteside  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 10:44 am : link
In comment 12658958 Enzo said:
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has for an agent?


Sean Kennedy

Other clients-
Represents:
Chaisson Allen - (Primary) Talor Battle - (Primary) Justin Burrell - (Primary)
Michael Carter-Williams - (Secondary) Keith Clanton - (Primary) Ben Hansbrough - (Primary)
Jordan Hulls - (Primary) Slava Kravtsov - (Secondary) Ricky Ledo - (Primary)
Troy Murphy - (Primary) Mike Muscala - (Primary) Jamal Olasewere - (Primary)
Nikola Pekovic - (Primary) JayVaughn Pinkston - (Primary) Keith Rendleman - (Primary)
LaQuinton Ross - (Primary) Garrett Stutz - (Primary) Marcus Thornton - (Primary)


From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3tGzSPGHF
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Absolutely  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 10:45 am : link
no way I let Lopez stop me from pursuing Whiteside.
RE: How  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 10:47 am : link
In comment 12658981 Jon in NYC said:
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long before this Robin Lopez contract starts to be called really bad? 5/6 in 22 minutes last night.


can't go by the box score only with Lopez
RE: RE: Brief run down of NBA this year  
dep026 : 12/3/2015 10:47 am : link
In comment 12658956 Deej said:
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East has 11 teams over .500
West has 6 teams over .500

Biggest surprises:
Rookie class has done quite well. Towns, Okafor, Mudiday, Porzingis have been better than expected.
Rick Carlisle remains the 2nd best coach in the NBA. No way Dallas should be this good.
Curry is in another stratosphere.
Paul George is back and dominating.
Drummond may have claimed best center in NBA.

Biggest disappointments:
Pelicans have been a disaster
Rockets/Wizards/Bucks have taken major step backs
Rose has been awful
Harden, Davis, Lillard are putting up points, but not good percentages for them.
Minnesota hasnt taken the step they were suppose too.



We all slept on Paul George. Guy is a top 10 player. For real -- not the top 10 that has 25 players.

I havent seen Mudiay much, but the stats say that he has been dreadful. Historically bad shooting and a ton of TOs. Im not sure I've ever seen a Win Share rate as low as Mudiay's -.119 (even Bennett was essentially a 0 WS48 guy). Worst WS48 guy last year with 800+ minutes (10/game) was Stephenson at -.026.

Not sure why you're down on Minny. 8-10 is pretty good when your three best players are 20 years old. I like their trajectory. And I think they're really smart to have guys like KG, Martin, and Miller there to mold these kids. Vets can really help kids learn the way, and the teams like Philly to go vet free I think are making a HUGE mistake in terms of player development.


Ive seen Mudiday play a few times and came across impressed. He has game and belongs in the league. Denver has been ravished by injuries. They arent very good, so he forces more than he probably should. But I think he can be pretty good. And plus he is only 19.
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Jon in NYC : 12/3/2015 10:48 am : link
In comment 12658996 BeerFridge said:
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long before this Robin Lopez contract starts to be called really bad? 5/6 in 22 minutes last night.



can't go by the box score only with Lopez


True, but he isn't even cracking 20 MPG some games. That's concerning.
RE: How  
TyreeHelmet : 12/3/2015 10:48 am : link
In comment 12658981 Jon in NYC said:
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long before this Robin Lopez contract starts to be called really bad? 5/6 in 22 minutes last night.


The minute he signed it. But its not atrocious and he definitely serves a purpose. Big guys all are over paid. They could move it if they had to.
RE: How  
Enzo : 12/3/2015 10:50 am : link
In comment 12658981 Jon in NYC said:
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long before this Robin Lopez contract starts to be called really bad? 5/6 in 22 minutes last night.

Lopez played well last night.
RE: How  
Deej : 12/3/2015 10:52 am : link
In comment 12658981 Jon in NYC said:
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long before this Robin Lopez contract starts to be called really bad? 5/6 in 22 minutes last night.


Its weird. The big thing with Lopez is the word that he's injured. We have no idea what it is, but he says it is "nothing serious". But that was like a month ago, so who knows.

He is driving a lot of good defensive outcomes. But he's been worse than any prior season. If he continues to play like this thru 50 games, contract looks bad. For the time being, I want to believe it is just adjustment/role definition issues or injury or fluke. Injury aside, he game shouldnt fall off a cliff at age 28, especially when he has had success in multiple cities.
Fisher never seems to go back to Lopez  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:53 am : link
usually when he takes him out he is done for the game inthe 3rd...

He usually goes small with lance thomas or comes back with Seraphin...
RE: RE: RE: Brief run down of NBA this year  
Deej : 12/3/2015 10:56 am : link
In comment 12658997 dep026 said:
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Ive seen Mudiday play a few times and came across impressed. He has game and belongs in the league. Denver has been ravished by injuries. They arent very good, so he forces more than he probably should. But I think he can be pretty good. And plus he is only 19.


Im not down on him, though guys with broken, ineffective shots often never resolve that. However, my point was more that I think listing him with the 3 bigs as impressing or being better than expected I think is an odd. IMO he hasnt been one of the 4 standout rookies. That's all. Not a statement about his potential at all.
RE: Fisher never seems to go back to Lopez  
Deej : 12/3/2015 10:58 am : link
In comment 12659017 nygiants16 said:
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usually when he takes him out he is done for the game inthe 3rd...

He usually goes small with lance thomas or comes back with Seraphin...


Fisher I think doesnt love lesser-athletes at the big. KOQ isnt getting run either.

Re Lopez, he's a role player. There is always a risk in paying role players real money. Some of his struggles on offense IMO have to do with him not playing an appropriate role. With KP more on the perimeter, Melo and Afflalo doing mostly jumpers, Lopez is pressing a little too much to be the post scorer. Trying too many fancy moves down low, and too many runners.
It is funny  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 11:01 am : link
Phil talked all off season about not going small and sticking to a traditional 4 and 5...Phil got that in the off season...

and now Fisher is going small...
without looking at the analytics  
Enzo : 12/3/2015 11:07 am : link
he seems to be doing a decent job of protecting the rim and contributing to the overall defensive rebounding effort - which makes him a useful player.
Just based on the eye test,  
ryanmkeane : 12/3/2015 11:13 am : link
Lopez is so slow with the ball and just in general. The offense seems to slow down significantly when he's in the game.
Remember Lopez has never been this  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 11:16 am : link
involved in the offense before, he has always been the defensive guy on a team...I think he has to much on his plate and he is struggling to adjust...

They are posting him up in the middle of the triangle and expecting him to hit cutters or find the open shooter and that is not his game..

he should be on the weakside....
RE: without looking at the analytics  
Jon in NYC : 12/3/2015 11:17 am : link
In comment 12659070 Enzo said:
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he seems to be doing a decent job of protecting the rim and contributing to the overall defensive rebounding effort - which makes him a useful player.


The defensive +/- for him isn't all that great.
RE: Remember Lopez has never been this  
Enzo : 12/3/2015 11:19 am : link
In comment 12659101 nygiants16 said:
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involved in the offense before, he has always been the defensive guy on a team...I think he has to much on his plate and he is struggling to adjust...

They are posting him up in the middle of the triangle and expecting him to hit cutters or find the open shooter and that is not his game..

he should be on the weakside....

His AST% is way up from past years so at the very least he's doing more with these increased opportunities.
All free agent deals that aren't obviously max players getting  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 11:20 am : link
max deals (like LeBron, curry, Durant) are overpays. That's how you get a guy to change teams, by paying the most.

So yeah, Lopez was a great value to the Blazers at 6 M per. He's less great now but he's still a valuable player who does all the little things.

My main beef with him is that when he's in the post there are times when he's supposed to shoot. I hate it when that happens.
Check out this sweet pass from Porzingis to Lopez, though. - ( New Window )
Really  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 11:29 am : link
reminds me of Fisher (and Jackson coached his dad)
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I'm  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 11:31 am : link
generally one obsessed with big time athletes but I'm absolutely enamored with Denzel Valentine. Not sure how his game translates to the next level but he seems 100% like a guy Phil would like. I'd love to find a way to add him at the 2.
RE: Remember Lopez has never been this  
Deej : 12/3/2015 11:31 am : link
In comment 12659101 nygiants16 said:
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involved in the offense before, he has always been the defensive guy on a team...I think he has to much on his plate and he is struggling to adjust...

They are posting him up in the middle of the triangle and expecting him to hit cutters or find the open shooter and that is not his game..

he should be on the weakside....


Right. I think the answer is a lot more likely to be that we need to stop using him that way, rather than expect it to start working. Which means that KP or Melo needs to start working more out of the post, and/or we need to admit that we dont have the personnel to run an offense through a post/high post big.

He wasnt maxed. I think his contract will basically be role player level again next season. The cap growth is ridiculous.
Valentine  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 11:33 am : link
almost reminds me of players from another era. Unselfish, more smooth than a sick athletes, looks for the extra pass. 100% admit I only recently started paying attention to him but I'm a big fan of his game. 42% from 3 last year, 42% this year
Valentine is also an outstanding rebounder for his size  
Greg from LI : 12/3/2015 11:35 am : link
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RE: Valentine is also an outstanding rebounder for his size  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 11:37 am : link
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He's the kind of player I usually think "meh, great college player but not athletic enough". But the more I watch him the more I like him.
RE: RE: Valentine is also an outstanding rebounder for his size  
Jon in NYC : 12/3/2015 11:42 am : link
In comment 12659183 DanMetroMan said:
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He's the kind of player I usually think "meh, great college player but not athletic enough". But the more I watch him the more I like him.


I feel like those guys work out more often than not.
Cap explosion  
Deej : 12/3/2015 11:44 am : link
Lopez will make $13.2 million in 2016-17. The cap is "expected" to be $108 million, and I think it is more likely to go over than under. $14.3 million is 12.2% of a $108 million cap ($13.8 of proj. $89 million cap next year, or 15.5%).

That is decidedly not star money -- max is 25%, 30%, or 35% of the cap based on experience (upto 6 years, 7-9 years, 10+ years, respectively). I find it really hard to wrap my mind around the cap explosion. But to put Lopez's 12-15% of cap usage into 2014-15 terms, off a $63 million cap, it's like Lopez is a $9.5 million player next year, and $7.5 million the following year. Decidedly middle class.

BTW, that cap jump to 108 million next year and seniority issue is why I think Durant takes a 2 year deal with a player option. At middle seniority off an 89 million cap, he can get a deal that starts at $27 million (30% of $89mm) with 7.5% raises. If his long term deal starts a year later, it's $38 million (35% of $108 million) with 7.5% raises. Difference is YUGE.
Givony  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 11:53 am : link
While Valentine does not possess prototypical NBA athleticism or a great frame, his productivity, skill-level and basketball IQ make him very appealing as a pro prospect. We didn't get a great chance to evaluate his defense, as Kansas' anemic backcourt made him easy to hide and save for the offensive end, and he did struggle somewhat finishing around the basket due to his lack of explosiveness, despite his elite shooting touch. Nevertheless, Valentine's ability to play a variety of different roles, along with his fearless style of play, make it increasingly difficult to count him out as a first round prospect.


From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3tHGntLtX
http://www.draftexpress.com
I vividly  
Jon in NYC : 12/3/2015 12:00 pm : link
remember Givony mocking me on twitter for suggesting that Lance Thomas could be an NBA player.

Suck it, bitch.
RE: I vividly  
Deej : 12/3/2015 12:06 pm : link
In comment 12659259 Jon in NYC said:
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remember Givony mocking me on twitter for suggesting that Lance Thomas could be an NBA player.

Suck it, bitch.


If you won that debate in retrospect, it wasnt by much.
Whatever NBA player Lance Thomas is, it is absolutely due to effort.  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 12:07 pm : link
No one on the Knicks plays harder than him.
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RicFlair : 12/3/2015 12:26 pm : link
Bargnani chickening out  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 12:30 pm : link
Will not play tomorrow because of a "hamstring" injury
Valentine  
giantsfan44ab : 12/3/2015 12:32 pm : link
also strikes me as a guy built for the college game al Shabazz Napier. Hope he does well in the nba but I could totally see him as a bench guy for his career. I'm rooting for him, though.
,  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 12:36 pm : link
Jimmer did what Jimmer do -- namely, thrill the crowd with some crafty moves around the basket, not shoot nearly as much from behind the arc as his reputation would suggest (1-2 from downtown), chuck some crazy shots and commit some crazy turnovers. Even my former colleague Andy Bailey -- perhaps the biggest Jimmer stan on Earth -- admitted as such:


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RE: RE: will the Warriors ever lose?  
djm : 12/3/2015 12:37 pm : link
In comment 12658601 BeerFridge said:
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40 pts on just 18 shots for Curry...



I'm trying to figure out how good the Warriors would be without Curry.


Just remember, Curry is NOT a great player ok? He's a great shooter. ok...

--Francesser.
Didn't watch the whole thing and  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 12:38 pm : link
Everyone is on Jimmer's nuts but the 2 dleague Knicks that have stood out to me are Darion Atkins and Bachynski (7'2 white back up center mold)
RE: Bargnani chickening out  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/3/2015 12:38 pm : link
In comment 12659363 nygiants16 said:
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Will not play tomorrow because of a "hamstring" injury


Would have like to see KP napalm Bargs on the low post.
RE: Didn't watch the whole thing and  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 12:39 pm : link
In comment 12659392 DanMetroMan said:
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Everyone is on Jimmer's nuts but the 2 dleague Knicks that have stood out to me are Darion Atkins and Bachynski (7'2 white back up center mold)


Jimmer and Eary were awful from what i saw yesterday and that was pretty much the entire game...

they both just chucked the entire game, Early looked like he had no desire to be there...
Bachynski  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 12:44 pm : link
is a presence out there. He moves reasonably well all things considered (it's amazing how things are now colored by 7'3 KP and the way he moves). A+ timing, I think he's an NBA talent as a backup center. Atkins doesn't look big enough to be an NBA 4 yet he seemingly has really great length for his height. Again, good defensive positioning, seemed like he has an idea out there. I've heard he's pathetic at the FT line which is obviously an issue but didn't see it yesterday.
RE: Bachynski  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 12:52 pm : link
In comment 12659410 DanMetroMan said:
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is a presence out there. He moves reasonably well all things considered (it's amazing how things are now colored by 7'3 KP and the way he moves). A+ timing, I think he's an NBA talent as a backup center. Atkins doesn't look big enough to be an NBA 4 yet he seemingly has really great length for his height. Again, good defensive positioning, seemed like he has an idea out there. I've heard he's pathetic at the FT line which is obviously an issue but didn't see it yesterday.


I liked Atkins...

Trice i was a little dissappointed in, i wanted to see him run the offense especially with 2 scorers next to him, i wanted to see him set those guys up and he did not do that, he took to many contested shots for my liking...

Point guards need to start to realize with the Knicks you have 2 guys maybe 3 with afflalo that are scorers and you can really rack up the assists if you look to run the offense and set them up for easy looks...

I was dissapointed really in the whole product, i did not go in with high expectations but guys are so selfish in the D league instead of carving out a niche and showing that you can become a role player, players think they can still be stars and just chuck up a bunch of shots thinking if they score a lot they are going to get claled up...no teams ar elooking for role players not superstars....

Early and Fredette i wanted to see them take over, especially Early, i wanted to see the offense run through him, but all he did was take wild layups and made dumb decisions...
Bachynski  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 12:54 pm : link
had 5 blocks and blocked 4.0 per game his final year in Arizona. I really think he might be a nice find.
RE: Bargnani chickening out  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 12:59 pm : link
In comment 12659363 nygiants16 said:
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Will not play tomorrow because of a "hamstring" injury


Was hoping for him to be posterized by KP on a patented putback while Bargnani is doing his patented "stare off into space while the ball is coming off the rim". Oh well.
Darion Atkins is a very limited player at this level  
Greg from LI : 12/3/2015 1:27 pm : link
He's likely never going to develop an offensive game. But he's outstanding at what he does well - defense and boards. He's a tad short for an NBA 4 - he's a legit 6'8" - but he's got long arms, quickness, and a terrific ability to time his blocks. He also sets some crushing picks and passes reasonably well. As an 11/12 guy to provide some interior defense, you can do a lot worse.

Dan - a lot of what you're saying about Valentine would also apply to Brogdon, I think. Very similar players in a lot of ways - about the same size, average athletes but strong and smooth with a big wingspan and hard-nosed defense. Valentine's been a better shooter in the past, but so far this year Brogs is shooting well (41% on threes right now).
RE: RE: RE: Valentine is also an outstanding rebounder for his size  
Deej : 12/3/2015 1:39 pm : link
In comment 12659202 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 12659183 DanMetroMan said:

He's the kind of player I usually think "meh, great college player but not athletic enough". But the more I watch him the more I like him.

I feel like those guys work out more often than not.


Not sure. But I also think that scouting plays a big part in it. A lot of these guys dont get drafted high/at all, so when they fail it doesnt seem like a bust. The ones who do get drafted high are probably better athletes than the popular discussion would indicate.
RE: Darion Atkins is a very limited player at this level  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 1:40 pm : link
In comment 12659519 Greg from LI said:
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He's likely never going to develop an offensive game. But he's outstanding at what he does well - defense and boards. He's a tad short for an NBA 4 - he's a legit 6'8" - but he's got long arms, quickness, and a terrific ability to time his blocks. He also sets some crushing picks and passes reasonably well. As an 11/12 guy to provide some interior defense, you can do a lot worse.

Dan - a lot of what you're saying about Valentine would also apply to Brogdon, I think. Very similar players in a lot of ways - about the same size, average athletes but strong and smooth with a big wingspan and hard-nosed defense. Valentine's been a better shooter in the past, but so far this year Brogs is shooting well (41% on threes right now).


It's funny as I said I generally am all about the athletic freaks with upside but as Jon noted the guys who put up numbers but aren't "great" athletes often surprise. Roy and Lillard for example. I admittedly haven't seen Brogdon (I only noticed Valentine because for some reason 2 games in one week were on when I was at the gym). But as I get older I really notice the guys who play the game with high IQ. I'm not a stuffy old man, I don't have any issue with showboating or simply being a beast who over powers you but watching Valentine was sort of like a throw back. You can tell he legit doesn't care about his numbers offensively which is why his numbers are so impressive. I realize odds are he won't be a Knick but I really love his game from what I've seen. I'll keep an eye out for Brogdon. We discussed Simmons the other day and Simmons does a lot of the little things AND is a freakazoid athlete. Quite a combo.
Here  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 1:42 pm : link
is Valentine vs. BC
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two things have held Brogs back a bit in the past  
Greg from LI : 12/3/2015 2:11 pm : link
Last year he was prone to some brutal shooting slumps, like in the tournament against MSU when he shot 3-12. That dovetails with the other part - he sometimes is a bit too happy to take outside shots, which he's only averagish at, versus taking the ball to the hoop, which I think he excels at with his strength and long arms. He tries to play a very unselfish game and spread the ball around, but every now and then when he has to carry the team, he gets very aggressive. He almost single-handedly brought us back against UNC in the ACC tournament last year. Scored 22 of our 44 points in the second half to cut a double-digit lead to 2 points with a minute to go (we ended up losing by 4). Had a similar type of game the other night against Ohio State. Our point guard was out which really had the offense out of sync, but he stepped up and had 22 and 6.
RE: Cap explosion  
Vanzetti : 12/3/2015 2:26 pm : link
In comment 12659210 Deej said:
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Lopez will make $13.2 million in 2016-17. The cap is "expected" to be $108 million, and I think it is more likely to go over than under. $14.3 million is 12.2% of a $108 million cap ($13.8 of proj. $89 million cap next year, or 15.5%).



Great post by Deej. With cap expected to rise to 90 million next year and 108 in 2017, a lot of so-so contracts are suddenly going to become bargains, including Melo's deal.

RE: RE: Cap explosion  
Deej : 12/3/2015 2:36 pm : link
In comment 12659639 Vanzetti said:
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Lopez will make $[14.3] million in 2016-17. The cap is "expected" to be $108 million, and I think it is more likely to go over than under. $14.3 million is 12.2% of a $108 million cap ($13.8 of proj. $89 million cap next year, or 15.5%).





Great post by Deej. With cap expected to rise to 90 million next year and 108 in 2017, a lot of so-so contracts are suddenly going to become bargains, including Melo's deal.


Yeah, yet another reason you dont need to rush to trade Melo. As he ages, he gets cap-cheaper. Bracketed a fix to a typo above -- it doesnt change the other #s or percentages I had.
Love the Zingod  
Deej : 12/3/2015 2:39 pm : link
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Stefan Bondy ‏@SBondyNYDN 1h1 hour ago

Porzingis: "Sometimes I see somebody with a Brooklyn hat on, I say, What is that? You need a Knicks hat."


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Stefan Bondy ‏@SBondyNYDN 1h1 hour ago

Kristaps Porzingis is into this Knicks-Nets game: "I know our fans are better than Brooklyns fans."
People wear nets gear around town? lol  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/3/2015 2:45 pm : link
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Anthony has a 15%  
arniefez : 12/3/2015 2:48 pm : link
trade escalator that kicks in this summer. Any team that trades for him gives him a 15% raise.
RE: People wear nets gear around town? lol  
Deej : 12/3/2015 2:53 pm : link
In comment 12659672 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The Porzingod is 7'3 and sees all.

Arnie: didnt know that. Thanks. So he's a bit less cap-cheaper. OTOH, he'd have 10 million reasons to accept a trade this offseason (and Im not saying we should or he would):

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'Zingod.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/3/2015 3:07 pm : link
Stefan Bondy ‏@SBondyNYDN 9m9 minutes ago
Porzingis has been named Rookie of the Month for the Eastern Conference.
RE: 'Zingod.  
Deej : 12/3/2015 3:15 pm : link
In comment 12659703 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Stefan Bondy ‏@SBondyNYDN 9m9 minutes ago
Porzingis has been named Rookie of the Month for the Eastern Conference.


Covers October & November. Because The Porzingod is all powerful.
not to miller, but...  
santacruzom : 12/3/2015 3:17 pm : link
Okay fine, to miller: how about those Warriors eh?

And Stephen Curry has 5 20-point quarters already this season. Last year's leader, Westbrook, had 4.
RE: not to miller, but...  
Deej : 12/3/2015 3:18 pm : link
In comment 12659731 santacruzom said:
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Okay fine, to miller: how about those Warriors eh?

And Stephen Curry has 5 20-point quarters already this season. Last year's leader, Westbrook, had 4.


Actually, there is a side discussion above re the Warriors. How good are they if you take Curry off the team.
RE: RE: will the Warriors ever lose?  
santacruzom : 12/3/2015 3:26 pm : link
In comment 12658601 BeerFridge said:
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40 pts on just 18 shots for Curry...



I'm trying to figure out how good the Warriors would be without Curry.


Not as good, but they also wouldn't be nearly as good without Draymond Green.
Great recognition for a deserving player!  
GiantsUA : 12/3/2015 3:27 pm : link
He makes the Knicks product very watchable.

I have watched many games including summer league et, but they lost me the middle of last season.
RE: RE: How many wins would the Warriors have without him? That roster looks  
santacruzom : 12/3/2015 3:28 pm : link
In comment 12658809 nygiants16 said:
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pretty damn average without him.



They would be an average team....It depends who the PG would be rather than Curry...


You know what? If Curry did miss time, I wouldn't be shocked if the Warriors played Green at point, or at least had him run the offense from the 3 or 4. It's no accident that he leads the team in assists.
RE: Warriors, Curry  
santacruzom : 12/3/2015 3:34 pm : link
In comment 12658879 Deej said:
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there are some holes in his game. The pendulum has swung too far re his D -- he's still average at best IMO.


I'm not so sure that's true. He moves his feet really well, evades screens, makes on ball steals in addition to playing the passing lanes, contests shots, and seldom is abused or even exploited defensively.
RE: All free agent deals that aren't obviously max players getting  
santacruzom : 12/3/2015 3:38 pm : link
In comment 12659123 BeerFridge said:
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Check out this sweet pass from Porzingis to Lopez, though. - ( New Window )


Damn!

It's gonna be a lot of fun watching that guy develop. Good on you Knicks fans.
RE: RE: Valentine is also an outstanding rebounder for his size  
santacruzom : 12/3/2015 3:42 pm : link
In comment 12659183 DanMetroMan said:
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He's the kind of player I usually think "meh, great college player but not athletic enough". But the more I watch him the more I like him.


See... the more I watch a guy like Draymond Green play, the more I come to notice and appreciate all these subtleties that elevate your team from good to great and great to dominant. For example: I can't claim to know shit about screens, and even I can appreciate how awesome Green's screens are compared to others. He doesn't just stand in the way, he times it perfectly and turns his body in a way, maximizes how difficult it will be for the defender to get around, and in several occasions, forces the defender to maneuver in such a way that he gets in the way of another defender! It's awesome.
Currygasm  
Deej : 12/3/2015 3:43 pm : link
at 538
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RE: RE: I vividly  
Jon in NYC : 12/3/2015 3:45 pm : link
In comment 12659287 Deej said:
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remember Givony mocking me on twitter for suggesting that Lance Thomas could be an NBA player.

Suck it, bitch.



If you won that debate in retrospect, it wasnt by much.


A win's a win. Dude acted very holier than thou in the process as well.
ICYMI  
Deej : 12/3/2015 4:35 pm : link
Our 7'3 rookie with 3 point range can also do this, when guarded by a good defensive big in Noel.
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Don't  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 4:38 pm : link
worry team leader Godzingis will keep Whiteside in line.

RE: ICYMI  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 4:45 pm : link
In comment 12659896 Deej said:
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Our 7'3 rookie with 3 point range can also do this, when guarded by a good defensive big in Noel. Link - ( New Window )


KP has really great hands. Noel reaches in there to poke the ball out and he instinctively pulls it back to protect it and continues his dribble and gets the easy dunk.

Noel is a good defensive big when he wants to be, but honestly, that was lazy defense. He goes for the steal, stops moving his feet and watches KP go to the rim.
RE: Bargnani chickening out  
djm : 12/3/2015 4:46 pm : link
In comment 12659363 nygiants16 said:
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Will not play tomorrow because of a "hamstring" injury


If that slug played and got shit pushed by Porzingas the universe would big bang itself again. There would simply be nothing left for the human race to accomplish.
RE: Currygasm  
santacruzom : 12/3/2015 4:49 pm : link
In comment 12659779 Deej said:
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at 538 Link - ( New Window )


Haha...

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In other words, if Golden State could replace its entire offense with just the bottom quartile of Stephen Currys 3-point attempts without him ever being fouled and with them never collecting an offensive rebound they would have the best offense in NBA history by a wide margin.
Washington Post Article on Melo to Wizards  
DCOrange : 12/3/2015 4:52 pm : link
I am a Syracuse guy - this a Melo guy - but I'd love to see him moved as they will never be good enough by the time he begins rusting away.
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RE: Washington Post Article on Melo to Wizards  
Enzo : 12/3/2015 4:58 pm : link
In comment 12659939 DCOrange said:
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I am a Syracuse guy - this a Melo guy - but I'd love to see him moved as they will never be good enough by the time he begins rusting away. Link - ( New Window )

Porter and 2 picks (which will likely be lousy) doesn't get anyone excited. I'd rather just keep Melo.
RE: Washington Post Article on Melo to Wizards  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 5:00 pm : link
In comment 12659939 DCOrange said:
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I am a Syracuse guy - this a Melo guy - but I'd love to see him moved as they will never be good enough by the time he begins rusting away. Link - ( New Window )


It literally makes zero sense to trade melo right now
No  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 5:09 pm : link
thank you. That deal stanks. Wizards would have shitty picks and the 2 young chips they have Oubre/Porter aint worth Melo
Don't laugh!!!  
Anakim : 12/3/2015 5:50 pm : link
Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 14s14 seconds ago
Hawks say they have assigned guard Tim Hardaway, Jr., who started 30 games with NYK last season, and center Edy Tavares to D-League Canton.
RE: Love the Zingod  
mfsd : 12/3/2015 5:58 pm : link
In comment 12659665 Deej said:
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Stefan Bondy ‏@SBondyNYDN 1h1 hour ago

Porzingis: "Sometimes I see somebody with a Brooklyn hat on, I say, What is that? You need a Knicks hat."





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Stefan Bondy ‏@SBondyNYDN 1h1 hour ago

Kristaps Porzingis is into this Knicks-Nets game: "I know our fans are better than Brooklyns fans."




My man crush on the Zingmeister grows by the day. I fucking love this guy
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Deej : 12/3/2015 5:59 pm : link
In comment 12659975 DanMetroMan said:
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thank you. That deal stanks. Wizards would have shitty picks and the 2 young chips they have Oubre/Porter aint worth Melo


Yeah. I'll continue to sound like a broken record, but the return needs to be in the neighborhood of the Love return. Otto Porter and Oubre arent bad pieces, but it's not remotely enough. If my price is too high, so be it. Im happy to keep Melo. But Im reasonably sure that my valuation of Melo is a lot closer to correct than the implied value Lowe put on Melo.
RE: Don't laugh!!!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/3/2015 6:04 pm : link
In comment 12660041 Anakim said:
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Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 14s14 seconds ago
Hawks say they have assigned guard Tim Hardaway, Jr., who started 30 games with NYK last season, and center Edy Tavares to D-League Canton.


I honestly thought that coach might get something out of him.
Warriors 19-0 & showing no signs of slowing down.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 12/3/2015 6:34 pm : link
Just a freaking machine.

RE: Don't laugh!!!  
Greg from LI : 12/3/2015 8:18 pm : link
In comment 12660041 Anakim said:
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Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 14s14 seconds ago
Hawks say they have assigned guard Tim Hardaway, Jr., who started 30 games with NYK last season, and center Edy Tavares to D-League Canton.


He'd better not be taking minutes away from my man Joey Hoops
RE: Warriors 19-0 & showing no signs of slowing down.  
santacruzom : 12/3/2015 8:24 pm : link
In comment 12660100 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Just a freaking machine.


*ahem* 20-0.
Porzingis playing at this level 20 games into his rookie season..  
Canton : 12/3/2015 9:28 pm : link
..is unfathomable. We didn't expect this kind of output until next season or even the season after.

If he's this good now. What kind of player will he be in 2-3 seasons? It's so exciting to watch him develop. This kid has the heart and desire to reach his ceiling, if not surpass it.

Lastly, his temperament is a perfect fit NY. He reminds me if Eli in certain ways. He's unflappable.
Davidson won't make graduation exception to honor Curry.  
Del Shofner : 12/3/2015 10:32 pm : link
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Interesting. - ( New Window )
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Doubledeuce22 : 12/4/2015 12:07 pm : link
In comment 12658834 DanMetroMan said:
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throw a max offer at Whiteside. I think KP/Melo/Whiteside could anchor a title contender.


Whiteside shuts down the lane by himself. Imagine Porzingis helping out. That would be one of the best 4/5 defensive combos in the game and nobody would ever get rebounds. One can wish!
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