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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/17/2021 2:47 pm
I assume it is safe to start this now.

Two  
Toth029 : 10/17/2021 2:49 pm : link
1st round picks.

One on the line, one on defense. No matter the position.

Thomas is a lock down guy but the drop-off is staggering.
Four  
Les in TO : 10/17/2021 2:49 pm : link
Years ago the Rams marched in here and destroyed the Giants 51-17. New GM new coach new QB but trending to the same result. This is what happens when someone born with a silver spoon inherits a business and not knowing what they are doing drives it into the ground.
why was my thread deleted?  
mittenedman : 10/17/2021 2:50 pm : link
cheapskate ownership hires a bunch of no-name coaches and college staffs!

They have no fucking idea what they’re doing. Oh well, at least we can sleep easy knowing Mara saved $$$ on Rhule.
I fully expect a remarkable comeback  
I Love Clams Casino : 10/17/2021 2:50 pm : link
Giants 31, Rams 28









Yeah, OK.



LOL  
TBird : 10/17/2021 2:50 pm : link
Very good Eric!
You think it’s bad now  
LT56x2 : 10/17/2021 2:50 pm : link
You think the injuries and bad luck are tough now, just wait. If we continue to get our asses kicked every week like this, we’re going to have no one left by the end of the season to build this team around.

There’s a reason all our key players are getting g hurt, and it’s not bad luck…
The team is decimated with injuries  
UberAlias : 10/17/2021 2:51 pm : link
We can go crazy but truth is it’s not fair what’s on the field right now.
Earliest Post Game Ever  
US1 Giants : 10/17/2021 2:52 pm : link
I think.

Why do I endure these games?
LOL.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/17/2021 2:52 pm : link
Love it. This has to be rock bottom right? Right?
Keep it Coming  
Spider43 : 10/17/2021 2:52 pm : link
There has to be NO excuse for Mara to retain Getts in the offseason.
RE: I fully expect a remarkable comeback  
TBird : 10/17/2021 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15416925 I Love Clams Casino said:
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Giants 31, Rams 28

I'm ready if that happens, got the game recorded - not watching it now.







Yeah, OK.


RE: Keep it Coming  
DCGMan : 10/17/2021 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15416943 Spider43 said:
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There has to be NO excuse for Mara to retain Getts in the offseason.


I had this nightmare a few nights ago. Mara kept Gettleman but doubled the number of Computaaaah Guys on the staff.
RE: LOL.  
Silver Spoon : 10/17/2021 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15416939 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Love it. This has to be rock bottom right? Right?


I thought rock bottom was years ago.
HAHAHA.  
AcidTest : 10/17/2021 2:56 pm : link
Great minds think alike. It is absolutely safe to start this now.
RE: LOL.  
BH28 : 10/17/2021 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15416939 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Love it. This has to be rock bottom right? Right?


Not even close. Expect more half measures in the off-season as we continue the downward slide.
This is a reboot of ‘the 70s show‘ ...  
Spider56 : 10/17/2021 2:57 pm : link
Deep down I really believe this is all because the owners sold out the real fan base when they got in bed with the jests on MetLife. Both teams are going to suck for the next 20 years.
1st play of 2nd half indicates  
I Love Clams Casino : 10/17/2021 2:57 pm : link
The Giants have given up.....second play too. They look like a bunch of kicked dogs
RE: LOL.  
JohnF : 10/17/2021 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15416939 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Love it. This has to be rock bottom right? Right?


No, there is much more misery to come. At some point, Jones will get hurt with this line, and it will be worst than the 70's. At least during the 70's, we could enjoy watching the defense and the punter. Not here.
Remember as we go forward into the rest of the season...  
Go Terps : 10/17/2021 3:01 pm : link
There is no arrow pointing up. Winning a couple meaningless games and accumulating moral victories...doesn't matter.

If you like the Giants, root for losses and hopefully the change that the humiliation may bring with it.
Hahahaha  
Keaton028 : 10/17/2021 3:01 pm : link
Post game thread early. We suck.
RE: This is a reboot of ‘the 70s show‘ ...  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/17/2021 3:01 pm : link
In comment 15416985 Spider56 said:
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Deep down I really believe this is all because the owners sold out the real fan base when they got in bed with the jests on MetLife. Both teams are going to suck for the next 20 years.


Agreed.
RE: Remember as we go forward into the rest of the season...  
BigBlueinDE : 10/17/2021 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15417013 Go Terps said:
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There is no arrow pointing up. Winning a couple meaningless games and accumulating moral victories...doesn't matter.

If you like the Giants, root for losses and hopefully the change that the humiliation may bring with it.


Inclined to agree. This cannot continue.
Giants are rolling over  
OdellBeckhamJr : 10/17/2021 3:03 pm : link
just like they did in 2017.

What a joke.
RE: Remember as we go forward into the rest of the season...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/17/2021 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15417013 Go Terps said:
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There is no arrow pointing up. Winning a couple meaningless games and accumulating moral victories...doesn't matter.

If you like the Giants, root for losses and hopefully the change that the humiliation may bring with it.


Agreed. This is LOL bad.
This opening drive  
Silver Spoon : 10/17/2021 3:03 pm : link
is a complete embarrassment.
...  
broadbandz : 10/17/2021 3:05 pm : link
Peppers is only player still playing hard. what a soft ass shit team.
Can't wait for Judge's post game soliloquy.......  
No Where Man : 10/17/2021 3:05 pm : link
Here's a preview:

(1) We all have to execute the fundamentals better, starting with the coaches.
(2) I saw some good things out there.
(3) I didn't see any bad things yet because I didn't see the tape.
(4) We have to clean up our lack of tecchnical execution.
Come on guys  
Sammo85 : 10/17/2021 3:05 pm : link
Not about the result. All about the process!!!
RE: Can't wait for Judge's post game soliloquy.......  
Ben in Tampa : 10/17/2021 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15417053 No Where Man said:
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Here's a preview:

(1) We all have to execute the fundamentals better, starting with the coaches.
(2) I saw some good things out there.
(3) I didn't see any bad things yet because I didn't see the tape.
(4) We have to clean up our lack of tecchnical execution.


You forgot the “right there” cadence punctuating every sentence

Joe Judge can get fucked
RE: Remember as we go forward into the rest of the season...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2021 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15417013 Go Terps said:
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There is no arrow pointing up. Winning a couple meaningless games and accumulating moral victories...doesn't matter.

If you like the Giants, root for losses and hopefully the change that the humiliation may bring with it.


They are going to win a game and people are going to make callout threads asking why the "DG haters are quiet today".

I didn't  
BigBlueinDE : 10/17/2021 3:07 pm : link
even bother to watch. I've decided that until there is significant change, I'll find other things to do on Sundays.
RE: why was my thread deleted?  
Ben in Tampa : 10/17/2021 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15416924 mittenedman said:
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cheapskate ownership hires a bunch of no-name coaches and college staffs!

They have no fucking idea what they’re doing. Oh well, at least we can sleep easy knowing Mara saved $$$ on Rhule.


They spent a shit ton of money this off-season, you can’t call them cheapskates.

And I like Rhule, but he can’t win a game without Christian McCaffery. You think it’d be any different here?
RE: RE: Remember as we go forward into the rest of the season...  
81_Great_Dane : 10/17/2021 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15417065 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15417013 Go Terps said:


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There is no arrow pointing up. Winning a couple meaningless games and accumulating moral victories...doesn't matter.

If you like the Giants, root for losses and hopefully the change that the humiliation may bring with it.



They are going to win a game and people are going to make callout threads asking why the "DG haters are quiet today".
I can't imagine that happening until the team wins something like 5 games in a row.
Plyaers just don't regress this bad..  
prdave73 : 10/17/2021 3:08 pm : link
It's horrible coaching and the Giant's don't have a DC or OC plain and simple..
RE: I didn't  
OdellBeckhamJr : 10/17/2021 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15417070 BigBlueinDE said:
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even bother to watch. I've decided that until there is significant change, I'll find other things to do on Sundays.


probably the sanest way to be a Giants fan
RE: RE: RE: Remember as we go forward into the rest of the season...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2021 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15417083 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 15417065 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 15417013 Go Terps said:


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There is no arrow pointing up. Winning a couple meaningless games and accumulating moral victories...doesn't matter.

If you like the Giants, root for losses and hopefully the change that the humiliation may bring with it.



They are going to win a game and people are going to make callout threads asking why the "DG haters are quiet today".


I can't imagine that happening until the team wins something like 5 games in a row.


They did it after the New Orleans win, lol.
the players  
mittenedman : 10/17/2021 3:09 pm : link
are tuning out judge as it becomes clear he‘s in over his head

The Giants have not ponied up for a proven winner Head Coach since Coughlin.

Time to pay up.
Eric- this may be the funniest thing  
Dave on the UWS : 10/17/2021 3:11 pm : link
you’ve ever done -post game at 2:45 LMAO!!
Oh and like Terps said, I hope they get destroyed every game. Mara is so concerned about optics maybe that will get through his thick skull that he needs to get himself and his family away from the team and get some real football people in here.
Jones may be benched  
GNewGiants : 10/17/2021 3:13 pm : link
For good.
I hope Mara does something serious  
Regular Coffee : 10/17/2021 3:13 pm : link
and KICKS OVER ANOTHER GARBAGE CAN!
RE: RE: Remember as we go forward into the rest of the season...  
widmerseyebrow : 10/17/2021 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15417065 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15417013 Go Terps said:


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There is no arrow pointing up. Winning a couple meaningless games and accumulating moral victories...doesn't matter.

If you like the Giants, root for losses and hopefully the change that the humiliation may bring with it.



They are going to win a game and people are going to make callout threads asking why the "DG haters are quiet today".


Yep, you can always count on that kind of optimism/delusion around here.
Make it stop  
jeff57 : 10/17/2021 3:14 pm : link
!
Danny Dimes is the future.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/17/2021 3:14 pm : link
LOL.
I think it’s obvious Jones  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/17/2021 3:15 pm : link
Should have sat this week after getting put I’m Mars last week. He’s not e em reading anything and as bad as he’s been he doesn’t make these easy INTs
Jason Garret is still here  
nym172 : 10/17/2021 3:17 pm : link
thats it.
Fuck it!  
N9NE11 : 10/17/2021 3:17 pm : link
If the innocent until proven guilty D Watson is available... give them boys a first round pick...we waste them anyway 🤣
Fuck it!  
N9NE11 : 10/17/2021 3:18 pm : link
If the innocent until proven guilty D Watson is available... give them boys a first round pick...we waste them anyway 🤣
RE: The team is decimated with injuries  
TyreeHelmet : 10/17/2021 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15416933 UberAlias said:
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We can go crazy but truth is it’s not fair what’s on the field right now.


Just stop with the excuses. Yeah not fair for the Giants… no other NFL team has to deal with injuries…
It is scary  
rocco8112 : 10/17/2021 3:18 pm : link
how bad the Giants have become.
.  
Banks : 10/17/2021 3:19 pm : link
a fine first quarter. what more could we ask
RE: It is scary  
Dennis : 10/17/2021 3:20 pm : link
In comment 15417195 rocco8112 said:
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how bad the Giants have become.


+1
Just incredible ....we need this again after this afternoons showing  
Devour the Day : 10/17/2021 3:21 pm : link
“What I’m about is an old school physical mentality. We’re going to put a product on the field that the people of this city and region are going to be proud of because this team will represent this area. We will play fast, we will play downhill, we will play aggressive. We will punch you in the nose for 60 minutes, we will play every play like it has a history and a life of its own, with a relentless, competitive attitude. We will play fundamentally sound, we will not beat ourselves. That is our mission right here… It’s a tough division, it’s a tough division and the city is full of tough people and they expect to see a program, they expect to see a product, that represents them. I’m going to do everything in my power, every day, to make sure the people of this city and this area turn on the TV or sit in the stadium seats and are proud to say that we’re their New York Giants.” ― Joe Judge (January 2020)
RE: Remember as we go forward into the rest of the season...  
darren in pdx : 10/17/2021 3:22 pm : link
In comment 15417013 Go Terps said:
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There is no arrow pointing up. Winning a couple meaningless games and accumulating moral victories...doesn't matter.

If you like the Giants, root for losses and hopefully the change that the humiliation may bring with it.


They've been humiliated for a decade, the more humiliated they get the worse the decisions become.

They can keep replacing people as much as they want, it doesn't mean anything if the replacement isn't any better. They don't know how to fix it and I don't have confidence they know what to look for to find someone that can. Even at full health this is a 6 or 7 win roster at best.
RE: RE: I didn't  
BigBlueinDE : 10/17/2021 3:22 pm : link
In comment 15417086 OdellBeckhamJr said:
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In comment 15417070 BigBlueinDE said:


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even bother to watch. I've decided that until there is significant change, I'll find other things to do on Sundays.



probably the sanest way to be a Giants fan


LOL! Thanks.
my prediction was 49-0  
Debaser : 10/17/2021 3:24 pm : link
but it looks like I was off by 3
I really wish there was a QB separating from the pack in college  
The_Boss : 10/17/2021 3:24 pm : link
Because Jones needs to be replaced. He might be the worst QB in the division. To be fair, his HC and his bumbling buffoon of a GM need to be dismissed as well.
the no look vs bird dog  
Debaser : 10/17/2021 3:25 pm : link
.
How is Chicago doing?  
short lease : 10/17/2021 3:26 pm : link
; )
where ross been  
Debaser : 10/17/2021 3:28 pm : link
.
Why would Jones still  
Silver Spoon : 10/17/2021 3:28 pm : link
be playing?!
Does Patrick Graham  
Carson53 : 10/17/2021 3:29 pm : link
get any head coaching interviews after this season, ah no!
Take Jones out, before he gets hurt, what's the point Judge?
Only 2 things to say today  
Matt M. : 10/17/2021 3:30 pm : link
1) Why on Hell is Jones still in? If he has any shot at a future here, he needs to be off the field right now.

2) Sundays are now to root against Chicago. We have a lot of options with 2 top 5 picks.
Someone needs to lose their job today.  
larryflower37 : 10/17/2021 3:30 pm : link
This is just embarrassing.
RE: Jones may be benched  
short lease : 10/17/2021 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15417123 GNewGiants said:
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For good.



Yeah - I can't wait till they bring in the future HOF'er ... Glennon. What are they waiting for?
RE: Only 2 things to say today  
Carson53 : 10/17/2021 3:32 pm : link
In comment 15417308 Matt M. said:
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1) Why on Hell is Jones still in? If he has any shot at a future here, he needs to be off the field right now.

2) Sundays are now to root against Chicago. We have a lot of options with 2 top 5 picks.
.

Accumulate those draft picks, they need 'em.
Hopefully there is a new GM making the selections.
RE: Someone needs to lose their job today.  
BigBlueinDE : 10/17/2021 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15417310 larryflower37 said:
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This is just embarrassing.


Respectfully, what would that accomplish?
C'mon guys  
SomeFan : 10/17/2021 3:36 pm : link
Game's not over yet!
When will it all end?!  
Simms11 : 10/17/2021 3:37 pm : link
I’ve lived through the team of the 70s and at least they were competitive and the D was always keeping us in games. This is the worst Giants Football I’ve seen in my life and there been some real bad years. I’m not convinced anymore that Judge gets another year.
There’s no quick fixes here unfortunately  
Metnut : 10/17/2021 3:38 pm : link
The team might have the least talent on defense in the nfl and it’s not a young unit at many key positions. The offensive line is not improved at all and our QB is prolific at turning the football over. NYG also have little cap room after Gettleman’s ill-advised spending sprees.
Parallels to the 2017 Rams game  
bluepepper : 10/17/2021 3:38 pm : link
are striking.

One win team with ton of injuries at WR but relatively healthy on defense getting routed as McVay outcoaches us and our DB's mail it in. Scary.
RE: RE: Someone needs to lose their job today.  
larryflower37 : 10/17/2021 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15417347 BigBlueinDE said:
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In comment 15417310 larryflower37 said:


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This is just embarrassing.



Respectfully, what would that accomplish?


Give someone on the staff an opportunity. Since this not working.
Said it before - I'll say it again  
GeofromNJ : 10/17/2021 3:42 pm : link
The year Gettleman drafted Barkley, he could have drafted Josh Allen on the 1st round and Nick Chubb on the 2nd round. And yeah, I am well aware the O line sucks and can't be fixed with 6th round picks and free agents.
RE: RE: Remember as we go forward into the rest of the season...  
Blue21 : 10/17/2021 3:42 pm : link
In comment 15417031 BigBlueinDE said:
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In comment 15417013 Go Terps said:


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There is no arrow pointing up. Winning a couple meaningless games and accumulating moral victories...doesn't matter.

If you like the Giants, root for losses and hopefully the change that the humiliation may bring with it.



Inclined to agree. This cannot continue.


If thats what it takes then so be it.
And this is after Graham said that they had a great  
No Where Man : 10/17/2021 3:43 pm : link
week of practice...LOL.
RE: Said it before - I'll say it again  
bluesince56 : 10/17/2021 3:43 pm : link
In comment 15417414 GeofromNJ said:
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The year Gettleman drafted Barkley, he could have drafted Josh Allen on the 1st round and Nick Chubb on the 2nd round. And yeah, I am well aware the O line sucks and can't be fixed with 6th round picks and free agents.


I remember when they passed on Zack Martin
Da faq?  
trueblueinpw : 10/17/2021 3:44 pm : link
The game isn’t over. You guys realize there’s more than half a quarter for Big Blue to storm back?
RE: When will it all end?!  
Carson53 : 10/17/2021 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15417380 Simms11 said:
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I’ve lived through the team of the 70s and at least they were competitive and the D was always keeping us in games. This is the worst Giants Football I’ve seen in my life and there been some real bad years. I’m not convinced anymore that Judge gets another year.
.

He'll get another year, only because they have replaced the
last two guys after two years, in fact McAdoo didn't make it thru two years. I have lived thru the Giants since the 60's,
so I have seen a lot of BAD football in that time. I am not sure they are that stage yet, but they are getting there!
They weren't always competitive in the 70's either.
At least they had Tark around to keep it entertaining,
along with Homer Jones for a few years.
Gotta go watch the tape  
ghost718 : 10/17/2021 3:45 pm : link
Than,I gotta book a flight to Costa Rica
Keeping Jones in the game into the 4th quarter looks like  
cosmicj : 10/17/2021 3:45 pm : link
A serious piece of coaching malpractice.
RE: When will it all end?!  
Blue21 : 10/17/2021 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15417380 Simms11 said:
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I’ve lived through the team of the 70s and at least they were competitive and the D was always keeping us in games. This is the worst Giants Football I’ve seen in my life and there been some real bad years. I’m not convinced anymore that Judge gets another year.



I've been thinking the same thing about remembering the 70's. This is the worse I can remember.
Penny been calling for the ball  
Debaser : 10/17/2021 3:47 pm : link
for 4 years and finally getting it. He actualy had some decent runs
Yippee kayee  
Carson53 : 10/17/2021 3:48 pm : link
.
Judge: "I like how we kept fighting 'till the end"  
Anakim : 10/17/2021 3:48 pm : link
You know that's coming
Too bad  
Devour the Day : 10/17/2021 3:50 pm : link
They didn't show Johhny Boy and Chrissy hugging each other in celebration after that big TD. Wow.
Cmara@giants.nfl.net or Chris.mara@giants.nfl.net  
I Love Clams Casino : 10/17/2021 3:50 pm : link
Cmara@giants.nfl.net or Chris.mara@giants.nfl.net
RE: Too bad  
Silver Spoon : 10/17/2021 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15417482 Devour the Day said:
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They didn't show Johhny Boy and Chrissy hugging each other in celebration after that big TD. Wow.


Chrissy has no clue what he’s even watching at this point.
Things.....  
UticaMike : 10/17/2021 3:52 pm : link
are never as bad as they seem. Things are never as good as they seem. Tough loss. Tough season so far, for sure. But this franchise can rebound.
Joe Judge calling timeouts down 38-11  
dpinzow : 10/17/2021 3:52 pm : link
with 6 minutes to play
RE: Joe Judge calling timeouts down 38-11  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2021 3:56 pm : link
In comment 15417503 dpinzow said:
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with 6 minutes to play


To be fair, it's obvious he needs the coaching practice.
If Mara had any guts  
PhilSimms15 : 10/17/2021 3:58 pm : link
He’d fire Gettleman and start the search process for a President to run all football operations, hire the GM and make the final call regarding Judge.

Even Dolan was smart enough to find someone to run his teams instead of himself.

RE: If Mara had any guts  
Silver Spoon : 10/17/2021 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15417537 PhilSimms15 said:
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He’d fire Gettleman and start the search process for a President to run all football operations, hire the GM and make the final call regarding Judge.

Even Dolan was smart enough to find someone to run his teams instead of himself.


Only one problem. He has no guts.
Thibodeaux May Be In Play!!!  
BlueVinnie : 10/17/2021 4:04 pm : link
...not much else to root for.
Mara probably saw a lot he liked  
Mike from Ohio : 10/17/2021 4:05 pm : link
but ultimately felt the injuries did them in.

Stay the course and your plan will come to fruition.
Bad Teams get injuries  
JohnF : 10/17/2021 4:07 pm : link
more often than not. The result of better players beating you up.
RE: Said it before - I'll say it again  
Vanzetti : 10/17/2021 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15417414 GeofromNJ said:
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The year Gettleman drafted Barkley, he could have drafted Josh Allen on the 1st round and Nick Chubb on the 2nd round. And yeah, I am well aware the O line sucks and can't be fixed with 6th round picks and free agents.



The Will Hernandez pick was really bad
It's over!  
Optimus-NY : 10/17/2021 4:08 pm : link
Thank God!
Such  
OBJRoyal : 10/17/2021 4:08 pm : link
A very bad team
I believe that's...  
bw in dc : 10/17/2021 4:08 pm : link
38 total points in 3 home losses.
Now we can talk post game!  
trueblueinpw : 10/17/2021 4:09 pm : link
Tough loss today. But the players played tough and fought to the end. I think we can all look at the tape on Monday and find opportunities to improve. But we’re building something here.
RE: Now we can talk post game!  
Keaton028 : 10/17/2021 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15417584 trueblueinpw said:
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Tough loss today. But the players played tough and fought to the end. I think we can all look at the tape on Monday and find opportunities to improve. But we’re building something here.



Sarcasm?
Nice bonus coverage here…  
trueblueinpw : 10/17/2021 4:10 pm : link
Get to see how a Matt Rhule team plays.
Keep in mind  
bc4life : 10/17/2021 4:11 pm : link
This team beat the Bucs pretty easily
This has got to be  
M.S. : 10/17/2021 4:11 pm : link

One of the funniest thread starters in quite awhile.

And, boy, do Giants fans need a lot of humor!

1964 -1980

RE: RE: Now we can talk post game!  
trueblueinpw : 10/17/2021 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15417588 Keaton028 said:
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In comment 15417584 trueblueinpw said:


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Tough loss today. But the players played tough and fought to the end. I think we can all look at the tape on Monday and find opportunities to improve. But we’re building something here.




Sarcasm?


Me? Never.
This roster is no better than it was when Gettleman  
Heisenberg : 10/17/2021 4:12 pm : link
Took over the team.
RE: I really wish there was a QB separating from the pack in college  
bluewave : 10/17/2021 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15417246 The_Boss said:
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Because Jones needs to be replaced. He might be the worst QB in the division. To be fair, his HC and his bumbling buffoon of a GM need to be dismissed as well.


The QB class is really bad. I would keeps another year as a stop gap and look forward to the next year.
RE: Nice bonus coverage here…  
cosmicj : 10/17/2021 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15417590 trueblueinpw said:
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Get to see how a Matt Rhule team plays.


Very good defense. Their current HB, with the immortal name of Chubba Hubbard (a Ben & Jerry’s tie in is a must for the future) was acquired exactly the way you do this, with a wise 4th round selection for a player who was very good in college and routinely makes the first man miss. I think Darnold sux - he is holding the team back.
You watch other teams, and it looks like a different sport.  
81_Great_Dane : 10/17/2021 4:18 pm : link
The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.

Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.

It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.
To add to the pain, Dallas will walk away with the division this year  
GeofromNJ : 10/17/2021 4:19 pm : link
and NFL media will be unwatchable.
Hopefully Chicago keeps losing  
90.Cal : 10/17/2021 4:19 pm : link
We are a team that needs two top 10 picks...

Fire DG... hire a GM to build around these 12 players

Daniel Jones
Saquon Barkley
Andrew Thomas
Kadarius Toney
Kenny Golladay
Sterling Shepard
Azeez Ojulari
Leonard Williams
Dexter Lawerence
Blake Martinez
James Bradberry
Xavier McKinney

If judge can't win more than 6 games get rid of him, Graham and Garrett.
RE: RE: Said it before - I'll say it again  
AcidTest : 10/17/2021 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15417579 Vanzetti said:
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The year Gettleman drafted Barkley, he could have drafted Josh Allen on the 1st round and Nick Chubb on the 2nd round. And yeah, I am well aware the O line sucks and can't be fixed with 6th round picks and free agents.




The Will Hernandez pick was really bad


Could have drafted Braden Smith instead of Hernandez as Sy urged. Or Darius Leonard.
all teams hit adversity  
bc4life : 10/17/2021 4:20 pm : link
Let's see what happens when Dallas hits some rough water.
Been saying for awhile  
M.S. : 10/17/2021 4:21 pm : link

That it’s a false narrative that Joe Judge is guaranteed at least one more season.

And, today’s game (injuries and all), has done nothing to change my mind.

So, one mo’ time… this is how it will unfold:

(1) Dave Gettleman gives a none-too gracious “retirement” speech;

(2) A new G.M. Is brought in, hopefully someone chosen out of John Mara’s comfort zone;

(3) The new G.M. announces an entirely new team philosophy that requires a change in direction;

(4) Hence the hiring of a new Head Coach;

(5) And thus the re-build begins anew… again.
RE: all teams hit adversity  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2021 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15417634 bc4life said:
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Let's see what happens when Dallas hits some rough water.


They played a year without their QB. Adversity. They look fine.
and where did the team  
bc4life : 10/17/2021 4:22 pm : link
go without him and we beat them last year...
they played one top level team and lost  
bc4life : 10/17/2021 4:23 pm : link
barely beat chargers - rest of victories are against teams with losing records - since when is that adversity?
RE: This roster is no better than it was when Gettleman  
AcidTest : 10/17/2021 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15417603 Heisenberg said:
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Took over the team.


Agreed.
RE: Hopefully Chicago keeps losing  
The_Boss : 10/17/2021 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15417628 90.Cal said:
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We are a team that needs two top 10 picks...

Fire DG... hire a GM to build around these 12 players

Daniel Jones
Saquon Barkley
Andrew Thomas
Kadarius Toney
Kenny Golladay
Sterling Shepard
Azeez Ojulari
Leonard Williams
Dexter Lawerence
Blake Martinez
James Bradberry
Xavier McKinney

If judge can't win more than 6 games get rid of him, Graham and Garrett.


Any plan that involves building around Jones and Barkley is one that I am not interested in at all.
RE: Hopefully Chicago keeps losing  
Debaser : 10/17/2021 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15417628 90.Cal said:
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We are a team that needs two top 10 picks...

Fire DG... hire a GM to build around these 12 players

Daniel Jones
Saquon Barkley
Andrew Thomas
Kadarius Toney
Kenny Golladay
Sterling Shepard
Azeez Ojulari
Leonard Williams
Dexter Lawerence
Blake Martinez
James Bradberry
Xavier McKinney

If judge can't win more than 6 games get rid of him, Graham and Garrett.


ah what would be the point of that? That would be pretty much what you have now

And you have no pass rush why keep overpriced players and or inneffective players like Martinez around(not a playmaker); Bradberry (terrible), Lawrence (not a pass rusher)

Do not get me started on barkley. Also a rebuild with the same qb is not a rebuild
Sammy D & the Black Cats!  
trueblueinpw : 10/17/2021 4:28 pm : link
Coming all the way down the field to tie it up!
Sure as Hell looks like  
M.S. : 10/17/2021 4:28 pm : link

Joe Judge has lost this team.

RE: and where did the team  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2021 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15417645 bc4life said:
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go without him and we beat them last year...


No one cares that we beat the cowboys without their QB. Did it seem like that was in the Cowboys' heads last week when they beat the Giants like a drum?

The only people that attached a meaning to that game were fans who desperately wanted that game to be a statement of the arrow pointing up.
At least the good news is that the  
Jimmy Googs : 10/17/2021 4:31 pm : link
Georgia Bulldogs won.

Go Dawgs'...
Barkley and going forward,  
Silver Spoon : 10/17/2021 4:32 pm : link
should never be together.
now you're changing the subject  
bc4life : 10/17/2021 4:33 pm : link
you insinuated that Cowboys could withstand diversity. You responded by saying they lost QB and I responded pointing out that they struggled when faced with that adversity.


They have not hit a rough spot yet and have had an easy schedule
Judge is having a great post game presser!  
trueblueinpw : 10/17/2021 4:34 pm : link
I really like the way he handles the press after losing so many games! This guy can really talk!
RE: now you're changing the subject  
Debaser : 10/17/2021 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15417686 bc4life said:
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you insinuated that Cowboys could withstand diversity. You responded by saying they lost QB and I responded pointing out that they struggled when faced with that adversity.


They have not hit a rough spot yet and have had an easy schedule


Dude what is your point? That these scrubs are as good as the cowboys? Are you kidding with this. Easy schedule but their offense regularly puts up 40+ point on the board.
RE: RE: RE: Now we can talk post game!  
Keaton028 : 10/17/2021 4:37 pm : link
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Tough loss today. But the players played tough and fought to the end. I think we can all look at the tape on Monday and find opportunities to improve. But we’re building something here.




Sarcasm?



Me? Never.


Haha ya got me!
Who got injured  
Joe Beckwith : 10/17/2021 4:39 pm : link
and how badly.
The games have gotten secondary given all the continuing injuries.
The Saints win  
Sammo85 : 10/17/2021 4:39 pm : link
was a mirage. Payton got arrogant and lazy. Giants deserved to win but they came very close to losing and needed the Saints help to do so.

This team is probably going to have double digit losses by Thanksgiving.
RE: now you're changing the subject  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2021 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15417686 bc4life said:
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you insinuated that Cowboys could withstand diversity. You responded by saying they lost QB and I responded pointing out that they struggled when faced with that adversity.


They have not hit a rough spot yet and have had an easy schedule


I'm not even sure why the Cowboys matter here. They're well-equipped to survive any challenges to the season. And if they don't the Giants are still terrible. We'll laugh at the cowboys while the Giants are 9-27 in their last home games.
Dave will be gone  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/17/2021 4:43 pm : link
All attention needs to shift to evaluating the HC imo. You have to see if he should have the chance to change coordinators, QB etc.

Besides seeing coaching issues I am concerned at his ability to identify talent both in coach and players and establish a team that will eventually win and win big. I have no desire to retain a HC that does not show some character traits of a champion that inspires teams to max out to its potential.

He certainly had a great opportunity right now to show his ability and it’s not just wins and losses.
RE: Sure as Hell looks like  
islander1 : 10/17/2021 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15417667 M.S. said:
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Joe Judge has lost this team.


I'm not sure how they can honestly believe in him anymore
Listening to the post game…  
trueblueinpw : 10/17/2021 4:48 pm : link
It’s sounds like all the Giants need to do is execute. So, that should be too hard.
RE: Listening to the post game…  
Mike in NY : 10/17/2021 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15417749 trueblueinpw said:
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It’s sounds like all the Giants need to do is execute. So, that should be too hard.


I am in favor of executing the team
RE: RE: Sure as Hell looks like  
Silver Spoon : 10/17/2021 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15417730 islander1 said:
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Joe Judge has lost this team.




I'm not sure how they can honestly believe in him anymore


You mean running laps like pee wee football hasn’t been helpful?
RE: Sure as Hell looks like  
dpinzow : 10/17/2021 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15417667 M.S. said:
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Joe Judge has lost this team.


Once the veterans decide that it's another lost season, it's going to get really ugly. Think McAdoo's 2nd season
Debaser  
bc4life : 10/17/2021 4:55 pm : link
wasn't fucking talking to you and my point was pretty clear
There’s some real lousy execution and  
Simms11 : 10/17/2021 4:56 pm : link
some of that could be related to lack of talent. The LBers suck right now. I think they might be the biggest detriment to the D, to include Edge. I see the players getting lost and not physical enough tackling. Crowder, Jackson and McKinney tackled like absolute crap and seemed to all shy away from being physical.
RE: Debaser  
Debaser : 10/17/2021 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15417802 bc4life said:
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wasn't fucking talking to you and my point was pretty clear


No it is not clear. So like this team wins 10 in a row Dallas loses 6 in a row and the Giants win the NFC East?

I just love pie in the Skyiers. Here is what is going to happen Dak faces adversity ; overcomes it ; and goes on to win the NFC East and the MVP and some games in the playoffs if not the Super bowl. The giants are again a 6 win team. Does that answer your question about what happens to good teams that face adversity and bottom of the league teams when they face it?
Daniel Jones is 9-23 in his career as a starter.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2021 5:07 pm : link
Eli Manning was 9-23 as a starter in the final 32 starts of his NFL career.

The owners have changed general managers, head coaches, and quarterbacks. They jettisoned malcontents like Odell and people who were no longer seen as part of the solution like JPP. There’s been literally no improvement. In some areas, they’ve somehow got worse. This organization needs to be rebuilt from the top down. Can the owners, specifically John Mara, be trusted to hire the right person to run the operation? There’s little hope that the answer is yes.

What a complete and total disaster.
RE: RE: Sure as Hell looks like  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2021 5:09 pm : link
In comment 15417763 dpinzow said:
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Joe Judge has lost this team.




Once the veterans decide that it's another lost season, it's going to get really ugly. Think McAdoo's 2nd season


Can it get uglier than today?
RE: You watch other teams, and it looks like a different sport.  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/17/2021 5:09 pm : link
In comment 15417622 81_Great_Dane said:
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The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.

Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.

It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.


Dave Gettleman.

Never thought I'd live to see a worse GM than Reese. JR was light years ahead of this buffoon.
Nothing is getting better. No arrow is pointing up. It never was.  
The_Boss : 10/17/2021 5:13 pm : link
Something has to change. We’ve been shit for far too long. Firing Gettleman, who seemingly hasn’t improved this franchise one iota since getting hired, is the first step. The quicker the better. He’s been an unmitigated disaster.
RE: You watch other teams, and it looks like a different sport.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2021 5:13 pm : link
In comment 15417622 81_Great_Dane said:
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The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.

Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.

It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.


Excellent post.

The problem starts with the owners. Unfortunately, neither will sell, so we’re forced to hope that they change their outdated mode of decision-making. Good luck with that.
RE: RE: You watch other teams, and it looks like a different sport.  
The_Boss : 10/17/2021 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15417850 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.

Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.

It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.



Dave Gettleman.

Never thought I'd live to see a worse GM than Reese. JR was light years ahead of this buffoon.


Arguably the worst GM in professional sports.
It all started with the firing of Gilbride  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/17/2021 5:14 pm : link
Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.
RE: RE: RE: Sure as Hell looks like  
darren in pdx : 10/17/2021 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15417845 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Joe Judge has lost this team.




Once the veterans decide that it's another lost season, it's going to get really ugly. Think McAdoo's 2nd season



Can it get uglier than today?


Yes.
RE: RE: You watch other teams, and it looks like a different sport.  
HomerJones45 : 10/17/2021 5:17 pm : link
In comment 15417850 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.

Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.

It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.



Dave Gettleman.

Never thought I'd live to see a worse GM than Reese. JR was light years ahead of this buffoon.
Reese sucked, his apologists notwithstanding. Gettlemen blew the second and sixth picks in the entire draft along with at least one other first round pick. They both threw away hundreds of millions of owner money on free agents due to their inability to evaluate what they had on hand.
based on Judge's comments in press conference, he has totally  
MartyNJ1969 : 10/17/2021 5:19 pm : link
lost this team. Now the finger pointing starts..>looking at video to see who was loafing and not giving effort
RE: It all started with the firing of Gilbride  
HomerJones45 : 10/17/2021 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15417868 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.
the wages of sin: you don’t cast off people who have proven they can gather serious hardware for shit beads, ne’er do wells and never wases.

If Mara and Tisch are feeling badly, tough shit: these two sperm recipients need to suffer financially for their idiotic decisions. - but they wont’t.
You  
Toth029 : 10/17/2021 5:22 pm : link
Can see Jones has toughness, talent.

You didn't see that in guys like Flowers and Apple.
Part of the problem with assigning blame  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/17/2021 5:25 pm : link
Is nobody really has any idea who is making decisions. It just seems like you have several ideas of team building being commingled together with Mara trying to appease multiple people.

Easy to put it all on Dave but it runs much deeper.
RE: Part of the problem with assigning blame  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2021 5:28 pm : link
In comment 15417910 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Is nobody really has any idea who is making decisions. It just seems like you have several ideas of team building being commingled together with Mara trying to appease multiple people.

Easy to put it all on Dave but it runs much deeper.


The Giants readily tell you that decisions are made as a collective. It's DG, it's Mara, it's Judge.

Mara might not be involved in the day to day but he is the reason they hired the GM and the Head Coach. Those positions are not filled without John Mara's seal of approval.
RE: It all started with the firing of Gilbride  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2021 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15417868 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.


Eli Manning’s numbers under McAdoo as coordinator were excellent. How do you think he got the head coaching job in the first place? This is a dumpster fire with numerous horrific decisions, but firing Gilbride isn’t one of them.
RE: You  
Producer : 10/17/2021 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15417899 Toth029 said:
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Can see Jones has toughness, talent.

You didn't see that in guys like Flowers and Apple.


I don't see great talent in Jones. His talent is similar to other journeymen like Mariota and Trubisky.
RE: RE: It all started with the firing of Gilbride  
Debaser : 10/17/2021 5:33 pm : link
In comment 15417927 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.



Eli Manning’s numbers under McAdoo as coordinator were excellent. How do you think he got the head coaching job in the first place? This is a dumpster fire with numerous horrific decisions, but firing Gilbride isn’t one of them.


What does that prove that Eli was a better QB than a lot of people give him credit for when he was an older player?

Macadoo was a west coast offense short passing game oc and coach. Could not think of a worse fit ; same with shurmur. i think i agree with the gilbride thing.
One thing people missed was Ojalari Loafing around the field  
MartyNJ1969 : 10/17/2021 5:36 pm : link
when he wasn't rushing. he doesn't chase ball carriers down..he is a liability
TTH  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/17/2021 5:36 pm : link
Yes I’ve heard him say it several times like it’s a highly effective process. Wonder how he is seeing it as a suitable process moving forward. John seems like the main guy removing and hiring the coaches.
RE: TTH  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2021 5:41 pm : link
In comment 15417940 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Yes I’ve heard him say it several times like it’s a highly effective process. Wonder how he is seeing it as a suitable process moving forward. John seems like the main guy removing and hiring the coaches.


I doubt he will ever remove himself from having all that power.

Even when he admits the results are poor, as he has many times, he's not going to 'fire' himself. Privilege of power.
When I think of the Rams,  
Simms11 : 10/17/2021 5:52 pm : link
I think of how affective Goff was in that system on that team. He’s not all that now in Detroit. Looking at Jones, there’s some similarities. Jones was effective with Shurmur his first year and had a pretty nice rookie season. Jones has not been very effective in this Garrett system. I am pretty sure the Giants will look to replace Garrett this off-season and give Jones another new OC and new scheme. Now question is will there be a new GM and will he want to start anew with QB? Or will that guy give Jones competition and another year to prove himself? HC, whoever that may be will also have a say, I’m sure.
Debaser  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/17/2021 5:54 pm : link
Just that many have taken the fall but it really comes down to poor drafting and a shift from what common traits all the good Giants teams had over the years.

The passing numbers were okay with McAdoo as OC but they couldn’t run which goes to my point above. Ultimately they don’t have enough players that impact the game physically.
RE: RE: It all started with the firing of Gilbride  
HomerJones45 : 10/17/2021 5:55 pm : link
In comment 15417927 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.



Eli Manning’s numbers under McAdoo as coordinator were excellent. How do you think he got the head coaching job in the first place? This is a dumpster fire with numerous horrific decisions, but firing Gilbride isn’t one of them.
he got it because the fat headed owners panicked after Manning had a lot of int’s one season and thought they needed a different offense. Wrong as per usual.

You should reflect. The owners have basically done everything you and your fellow travelers insisted needed to be done. You see the results.
RE: When I think of the Rams,  
HomerJones45 : 10/17/2021 5:56 pm : link
In comment 15417972 Simms11 said:
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I think of how affective Goff was in that system on that team. He’s not all that now in Detroit. Looking at Jones, there’s some similarities. Jones was effective with Shurmur his first year and had a pretty nice rookie season. Jones has not been very effective in this Garrett system. I am pretty sure the Giants will look to replace Garrett this off-season and give Jones another new OC and new scheme. Now question is will there be a new GM and will he want to start anew with QB? Or will that guy give Jones competition and another year to prove himself? HC, whoever that may be will also have a say, I’m sure.
teams have film on Jones and no his weaknesses.
RE: RE: RE: It all started with the firing of Gilbride  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2021 5:56 pm : link
In comment 15417934 Debaser said:
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Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.



Eli Manning’s numbers under McAdoo as coordinator were excellent. How do you think he got the head coaching job in the first place? This is a dumpster fire with numerous horrific decisions, but firing Gilbride isn’t one of them.



What does that prove that Eli was a better QB than a lot of people give him credit for when he was an older player?

Macadoo was a west coast offense short passing game oc and coach. Could not think of a worse fit ; same with shurmur. i think i agree with the gilbride thing.


Your opinion (and mine) is inconsequential in this discussion. The facts show the only QBs who threw more TDs than Eli in his two seasons with McAdoo as OC were Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. (Drew Brees threw the same number as Eli.) Eli threw as many interceptions in his final season under Gilbride as he did the next two seasons under McAdoo despite more than double the attempts. I’m not saying McAdoo was worth a dirty nickel, but the idea that the downfall of the team began with Kevin Gilbride’s firing doesn’t make any sense.

The downfall of the team is 100% more about the downgrade in player personnel that started under Jerry Reese. The firing of Tom Coughlin, despite all of his issues, was accelerant.
Watching the Giants every time is like watching the  
MartyNJ1969 : 10/17/2021 5:56 pm : link
USA basketball team against Angola. The giants are always Angola every game
RE: RE: RE: It all started with the firing of Gilbride  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2021 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15417985 HomerJones45 said:
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Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.



Eli Manning’s numbers under McAdoo as coordinator were excellent. How do you think he got the head coaching job in the first place? This is a dumpster fire with numerous horrific decisions, but firing Gilbride isn’t one of them.

he got it because the fat headed owners panicked after Manning had a lot of int’s one season and thought they needed a different offense. Wrong as per usual.

You should reflect. The owners have basically done everything you and your fellow travelers insisted needed to be done. You see the results.


Forget opinions. Look at the numbers. You’re wrong.
RE: Debaser  
Debaser : 10/17/2021 6:00 pm : link
In comment 15417980 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Just that many have taken the fall but it really comes down to poor drafting and a shift from what common traits all the good Giants teams had over the years.

The passing numbers were okay with McAdoo as OC but they couldn’t run which goes to my point above. Ultimately they don’t have enough players that impact the game physically.


Certain QBs like Eli are just not going to look like they good numbers. Big play QBs are jut not going to have good looking numbers like short passing QBs.

Look at Joe Namath's numbers ; they look terrible but i've only seen him play one game on you tube ; you get why he was a good qb. his plays were like 30 yards plus at a time and big momentum plays
Shockey  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/17/2021 6:04 pm : link
Doesn’t make any sense? It was a shift in philosophy and the biggest reason the Giants are in this position today.

The point isn’t Gilbride . It was accepting that winning the lines is not fundamental football 101. You can’t scheme your way to championships if you can’t impose your will on the lines. The issue was talent then as it is today.
RE: Shockey  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/17/2021 6:09 pm : link
In comment 15418020 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Doesn’t make any sense? It was a shift in philosophy and the biggest reason the Giants are in this position today.

The point isn’t Gilbride . It was accepting that winning the lines is not fundamental football 101. You can’t scheme your way to championships if you can’t impose your will on the lines. The issue was talent then as it is today.


Agreed. It's usually talent. And we thought we had it.

Guess what?...
RE: Shockey  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2021 6:13 pm : link
In comment 15418020 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Doesn’t make any sense? It was a shift in philosophy and the biggest reason the Giants are in this position today.

The point isn’t Gilbride . It was accepting that winning the lines is not fundamental football 101. You can’t scheme your way to championships if you can’t impose your will on the lines. The issue was talent then as it is today.


We’re not in disagreement on this particular point. Moves like drafting Ereck Flowers were a bigger harbinger of doom than firing Kevin Gilbride ever was. The philosophy wasn’t the issue as much as just drafting bad, ineffectual players was. Once that happens, you have to be aggressive in free agency and that’s how you end up with mercenaries. Those guys are fine when everything goes well, but they’re the first to give up when things go badly.
Even drafting Ereck Flowers is more complicated than  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2021 6:16 pm : link
just drafting poorly.

Who were the people in the room when that decision was made? Coughlin absolutely was. Wasn't Pat Flaherty? A lot of people got that wrong.
RE: Barkley and going forward,  
BigBlueinDE : 10/17/2021 6:42 pm : link
In comment 15417684 Silver Spoon said:
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should never be together.



I'd trade him ASAP, but don't think there are many teams willing to trade for him.
RE: If Mara had any guts  
BigBlueinDE : 10/17/2021 6:47 pm : link
In comment 15417537 PhilSimms15 said:
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He’d fire Gettleman and start the search process for a President to run all football operations, hire the GM and make the final call regarding Judge.

Even Dolan was smart enough to find someone to run his teams instead of himself.


I don't have confidence in his ability to hire the right people to run the football operations.
RE: RE: If Mara had any guts  
Sean : 10/17/2021 7:39 pm : link
In comment 15418121 BigBlueinDE said:
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In comment 15417537 PhilSimms15 said:


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He’d fire Gettleman and start the search process for a President to run all football operations, hire the GM and make the final call regarding Judge.

Even Dolan was smart enough to find someone to run his teams instead of himself.




I don't have confidence in his ability to hire the right people to run the football operations.

Well, that’s fair. But, he’s the owner. Gotta keep swinging. Gettleman has had more than enough time and he’s been laughably incompetent.
If season ended now  
jeff57 : 10/17/2021 8:30 pm : link
Giants would be picking 5 and 16. And Eagles would have 3 top 10 picks!
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