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Another Isaiah Wilson ?

Hilary : 11/15/2021 12:59 pm
Can he be poached by another team?

If so it makes no sense to risk losing him by keeping Gillapsia and Hebner on the roster.

At a minimum he could be tried in short yardage and goal line situations.
It's a huge reclamation project  
j_rud : 11/15/2021 1:10 pm : link
Beyond the physical aspect the kid really damaged his rep. You'd have to figure that as soon as the cost of protecting him is less than the risk of him being poached they'll do so.
Practice squad isn’t like waivers.  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/15/2021 1:12 pm : link
Wilson can’t simply be claimed. A team that wants him has to sign him as a free agent. The Giants may already have an understanding with Wilson about an informal right to match offers.

One reason you don’t see more players “poached” from practice squads is that the player has to agree. A player like Wilson, who already pocketed a substantial bonus, can realistically say no.
Can't get rid of Earl Hebner  
Andy in Halifax : 11/15/2021 1:13 pm : link
C'mon now.
You really worried about losing an overweight, out of shape....  
MOOPS : 11/15/2021 1:30 pm : link
former first round pick who was shitcanned after one season and 3 offensive snaps?
Were you one of the BBIs who fussed over trading Ryan Santoso?  
ZogZerg : 11/15/2021 1:50 pm : link
He had missed extra point and missed FG yesterday. Either would have won the game.

Wilson is a project. Highly unlikely any other team signs him to their active roster.
Not sure he is in football shape  
Mike in NY : 11/15/2021 1:53 pm : link
Any team that would try to poach him would have to add him to their 53 man roster. In addition, the player would have to sign a contract with the other team. This is not like waivers where you claim a guy and he is automatically yours if nobody else higher claims.
Forget about first round pick status  
JonC : 11/15/2021 1:57 pm : link
this young man needs to prove he belongs in the NFL now, after all the incidents he created with poor judgement and immaturity. The fact Judge has said they're starting from scratch with him should tell you he's starting at the bottom. He's lucky the Giants took a chance on him.
RE: Practice squad isn’t like waivers.  
Mike in NY : 11/15/2021 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15454490 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Wilson can’t simply be claimed. A team that wants him has to sign him as a free agent. The Giants may already have an understanding with Wilson about an informal right to match offers.

One reason you don’t see more players “poached” from practice squads is that the player has to agree. A player like Wilson, who already pocketed a substantial bonus, can realistically say no.


Not to mention I think there is a gentleman's agreement throughout the league that sort of like not "poaching" waived/injured players, you do not "poach" PS players unless it is a player you legit want to keep for an extended period (not just a temporary injury replacement).
he's been passed around the league twice already  
Giantsfan79 : 11/15/2021 1:59 pm : link
no one is coming to poach him. I'd bet some the league are figuring he'll fuck up again and get cut by the Giants.
Technically you're right  
Biteymax22 : 11/15/2021 2:08 pm : link
But in reality no one is going to grab him. He's a multiple time loser at this point and every other team had the chance to take the risk on him for their practice squads yet passed.

If he shows enough to be on an NFL roster it will be ours and likely not until next year.
RE: Forget about first round pick status  
Jay on the Island : 11/15/2021 2:10 pm : link
In comment 15454529 JonC said:
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this young man needs to prove he belongs in the NFL now, after all the incidents he created with poor judgement and immaturity. The fact Judge has said they're starting from scratch with him should tell you he's starting at the bottom. He's lucky the Giants took a chance on him.

This, I loved the acquisition but the Giants are paying Wilson the bare minimum contract for a practice squad player with no guaranteed money. They want this kid to earn it every minute of every day both on and off the field. I am not worried about him being poached because I think he knows this is his best chance at earning a real chance. He’s not stupid he must know that this is his final chance. He is also close to family which appears to be good for him.
Wish him well.  
rasbutant : 11/15/2021 2:27 pm : link
Best to have zero expectations and be thankful for whatever good comes of it.
I can't imagine any team  
BlackLight : 11/15/2021 2:36 pm : link
will sign Wilson to their active roster without seeing how he's progressed. The few video clips we've seen of him hitting tackling dummies aren't going to be enough to bait anyone.
The guy is on a team that has given him a chance when no one  
Spider56 : 11/15/2021 3:03 pm : link
else would, has needs at his position, and is near his family support structure. If he now signs with someone else, you’d really have to question intelligence. He’s not going anywhere unless the Giants release him.
Who would want this kid who hasn't played in forever  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/15/2021 3:09 pm : link
on the active roster? There is no PS to PS.
These Wilson threads continuing are a bit comical. I guess  
Jimmy Googs : 11/15/2021 3:12 pm : link
there is always a risk they could "lose" him, but not much.

No worries, I would think the Practice Squad of a 3-6 team constructed by Dave Gettleman might be the last place anyone in the NFL would ever look for talent...
The attention Isiah Wilson gets is fascinating...  
aimrocky : 11/15/2021 3:16 pm : link
Eric mentioned this already, but the fanbase should focus on Ben Bredeson and Billy Price. The Giants traded valuable resources for both of these pedigreed players. It is much more important to the team that these two players bring their production level up to match the resources that were dealt for them.
RE: The attention Isiah Wilson gets is fascinating...  
j_rud : 11/15/2021 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15454646 aimrocky said:
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Eric mentioned this already, but the fanbase should focus on Ben Bredeson and Billy Price. The Giants traded valuable resources for both of these pedigreed players. It is much more important to the team that these two players bring their production level up to match the resources that were dealt for them.


I can't lump those 2 together. I feel like it's very different circumstances. Bredeson has potential. He's a second year player who who was caught up in the numbers game on a good roster. Price was a high draft pick who has done nothing but floundered despite Cincys best efforts to give him opportunities at different spots on the line. He is depth at best.

It was desperation and unexpected retirements that led to both but their ceilings are very different IMO.
With Price  
Samiam : 11/15/2021 3:52 pm : link
The Giants gave up a valuable asset to get him BJ Hill and embarrassingly threw in an extra late round pick as part of the deal. With Bredeson, I think it was a swap of losing a 4th and getting back a 5th. If that’s right, that’s not insignificant. Either way, I understand the Giants were needy because of injuries but the backups we had in camp were not NFL quality. I appreciate its hard to get good linemen but you have to have better then the crap we had backing up. Plus, if you’re going to give up assets for these guys, why wait until they have no training camp to be coached up!
Another BBI  
PaulN : 11/15/2021 3:52 pm : link
All Star that nobody in the league wants. Ed Valentine just told Patty that when teams called about Engram that the Giants demand for him was a 1st round pick. So when the Giants nake fools of themselves over the value if their players and the fans buy into it then what does it say about the fanbase. Next we'll hear tge Giants extend Saquon for 5 years to the delight of the fanbase, one of the two picks that set the franchise vavk 5 years in this rebuild. Same fans that loved the Yankees adding Stanton and now would hever want to part with him. Over valuing the players we cheer for every week only adds to the wo's of the franchise. We haven't even seen him, yet the interest. Unreal.
1st for Engram?  
Samiam : 11/15/2021 4:12 pm : link
I find that very hard to believe they were asking for a 1st. I get that fans are way overboard in dislike for Engram and he was somehow in the Pro Bowl but I don’t believe they asked for a 1st especially with free agency looming.
RE: With Price  
Jimmy Googs : 11/15/2021 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15454693 Samiam said:
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The Giants gave up a valuable asset to get him BJ Hill and embarrassingly threw in an extra late round pick as part of the deal. With Bredeson, I think it was a swap of losing a 4th and getting back a 5th. If that’s right, that’s not insignificant. Either way, I understand the Giants were needy because of injuries but the backups we had in camp were not NFL quality. I appreciate its hard to get good linemen but you have to have better then the crap we had backing up. Plus, if you’re going to give up assets for these guys, why wait until they have no training camp to be coached up!


If only there was a formal selection process to acquire talented football player at the college level. Something annually, where you could find guys that play on the Offensive Line to help out the team...
Possible he is an alcoholic  
Bob in Newburgh : 11/16/2021 10:09 am : link
You need real close, and personal info on the situation before you commit to bringing the possible ramifications of that sickness onto your regular roster. This is not some video fantasy.
RE: RE: Forget about first round pick status  
D HOS : 11/16/2021 10:41 am : link
In comment 15454547 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 15454529 JonC said:


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this young man needs to prove he belongs in the NFL now, after all the incidents he created with poor judgement and immaturity. The fact Judge has said they're starting from scratch with him should tell you he's starting at the bottom. He's lucky the Giants took a chance on him.


This, I loved the acquisition but the Giants are paying Wilson the bare minimum contract for a practice squad player with no guaranteed money. They want this kid to earn it every minute of every day both on and off the field. I am not worried about him being poached because I think he knows this is his best chance at earning a real chance. He’s not stupid he must know that this is his final chance. He is also close to family which appears to be good for him.


Family in the area plus his buddy and former teammate AT. An organization that often repays your hard work and diligence with loyalty. The Giants give him a situation unique across the NFL.
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