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NGT: Urban Meyer is losing his mind and his team

montanagiant : 12/11/2021 11:38 am
[quote]In the past two weeks alone, sources say:

Receiver Marvin Jones -- one of the locker room's most respected and mild-mannered veterans -- became so angry with Meyer's public and private criticism of the receiver group that he left the facility until other staff members convinced him to come back and had a heated argument with Meyer during practice.

During a staff meeting, Meyer delivered a biting message that he's a winner and his assistant coaches are losers, according to several people informed of the contents of the meeting, challenging each coach individually to explain when they've ever won and forcing them to defend their résumés.
Contrary to his public statements that it was injury-related, Meyer ordered Robinson's benching after an opening-drive fumble in last week's 37-7 road loss to the Rams, then had running backs coach Bernie Parmalee stop Robinson from re-entering the game, insisting Carlos Hyde (who played for Meyer at Ohio State) stay in. Only after Lawrence questioned Meyer on the sideline about Robinson's absence was Robinson allowed to return late in the second quarter. (Speaking to reporters this week, Lawrence said: "Bottom line is James is one of our best players and he's got to be on the field and we addressed it, and I feel like we're in a good spot and the whole team, we're good.")

Several Jaguars players vented their frustration to Rams players after that game, sources say, reiterating a common complaint that Meyer -- who had no prior NFL experience -- doesn't treat them like adults. And the staff meeting follows a pattern of tense interactions between Meyer and his assistants dating back to the offseason. After opening the preseason with consecutive losses, for instance, sources say Meyer informed assistants that he was sick of being embarrassed and if the team didn't start winning immediately, some of them wouldn't be around for a second year.
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Only Coughlin  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/11/2021 11:40 am : link
could bring that dysfunctional org (and ours) to multiple championship games.
Pros are definitely a different animal  
widmerseyebrow : 12/11/2021 12:05 pm : link
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A disaster in the making from day one  
jeff57 : 12/11/2021 12:12 pm : link
College coaches rarely make it in the NFL. Saban is a classic example. And all this is terrible for Trevor Lawrence.
No one should be surprised  
UConn4523 : 12/11/2021 12:19 pm : link
He’s starting to (and probably already has) developed the reputation of a con man and not a winner. Buyer beware on anything he touches.
He seems like a special  
Dr. D : 12/11/2021 12:22 pm : link
kind of asshole
RE: A disaster in the making from day one  
bw in dc : 12/11/2021 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15490155 jeff57 said:
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College coaches rarely make it in the NFL. Saban is a classic example. And all this is terrible for Trevor Lawrence.


Really? Jimmy Johnson, Coughlin, and Carroll did pretty damn well. Harbaugh did well. Dick Vermeil, too.

Successful college coaches are successful recruiters  
GeofromNJ : 12/11/2021 12:25 pm : link
Pro football coaches are not able to recruit. They simply draft when it's their turn. This limits the talent on their team, forcing then to actually coach. Not so easy.
Trevor Lawrence is telling the coaches who to play  
ghost718 : 12/11/2021 12:27 pm : link
They might have us beat
RE: RE: A disaster in the making from day one  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/11/2021 12:30 pm : link
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College coaches rarely make it in the NFL. Saban is a classic example. And all this is terrible for Trevor Lawrence.



Really? Jimmy Johnson, Coughlin, and Carroll did pretty damn well. Harbaugh did well. Dick Vermeil, too.


You can name a lot of failures too.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/11/2021 12:34 pm : link
Love it. That snake.
RE: RE: RE: A disaster in the making from day one  
bw in dc : 12/11/2021 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15490170 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Really? Jimmy Johnson, Coughlin, and Carroll did pretty damn well. Harbaugh did well. Dick Vermeil, too.


You can name a lot of failures too.


Agreed. I just objected to the word "rarely".
Meyer should have reserved his criticism for RBs  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/11/2021 1:04 pm : link
like you thought Demaryius Thomas was, right?

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They have some decent pieces there.  
CV36 : 12/11/2021 1:07 pm : link
A very promising young QB who still needs proper coaching. If they blow their chance to build a team around this kid they will not recover in my lifetime.
RE: Only Coughlin  
Milton : 12/11/2021 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15490132 Spiciest Memelord said:
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could bring that dysfunctional org (and ours) to multiple championship games.
Coughlin contributed to dysfuntion in his last go-round with the Jaguars and in case you haven't noticed the Giants won plenty of championships before Coughlin; and Coughlin was part of the problem in his last few years with the Giants (contributing to the mismanagement of both Plaxico and OBJ and a big part of the draft day decisions that so many on BBI blame for the team's plunge from contender to pretender). For all the talk of Coughlin being a disciplinarian, it was an undisciplined team that he lost control of.
Meyer...  
JohnG in Albany : 12/11/2021 1:28 pm : link
is a nut.
he wants out  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2021 1:30 pm : link
just begging to get relieved of that job.
RE: Successful college coaches are successful recruiters  
BigBlueBuff : 12/11/2021 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15490167 GeofromNJ said:
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Pro football coaches are not able to recruit. They simply draft when it's their turn. This limits the talent on their team, forcing then to actually coach. Not so easy.

This is true, but there are some college coaches who can recruit and are terrific at the x's and o's as well. Urban Meyer and Dabo Swinney are the poster children for the recruiting first coaches who either overwhelm their opponents with talent or hire terrific coordinators.
RE: Meyer should have reserved his criticism for RBs  
montanagiant : 12/11/2021 1:35 pm : link
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Are you back to being fucking asshole again?
Get a life
This is from the article posted on NFL.com  
shadow_spinner0 : 12/11/2021 1:44 pm : link


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Contrary to his public statements that it was injury-related, Meyer ordered Robinson's benching after an opening-drive fumble in last week's 37-7 road loss to the Rams, then had running backs coach Bernie Parmalee stop Robinson from re-entering the game, insisting Carlos Hyde (who played for Meyer at Ohio State) stay in. Only after Lawrence questioned Meyer on the sideline about Robinson's absence was Robinson allowed to return late in the second quarter.


There is a difference betwwen a good coach and good recruiter  
shadow_spinner0 : 12/11/2021 1:47 pm : link
Some guys are really good teaching X's and O's, those are who succeed in the NFL. Other guys like Saban, Meyer, Sweeny they recruit the best talent and just beat down their opponent. Remember Spurrier? He was lauded for having this innovated offense at Florida, goes to the Redskins where it's more balanced round the league and he can't compete.
Sounds like Meyer is trying to force  
Section331 : 12/11/2021 1:58 pm : link
Khan’s hand into firing him.
RE: Sounds like Meyer is trying to force  
JohnG in Albany : 12/11/2021 2:05 pm : link
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Khan’s hand into firing him.



I think it's just Meyer being Meyer, but the result may be the same.
Saban wasn’t bad with the Dolphins.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/11/2021 2:12 pm : link
Heck, his record with about as shitty a group of QBs as you’ll find was halfway decent. He just couldn’t get a QB and hated to lose even one game, let alone 7 or 10, so he bounced.

The craziest part about this Urban Meyer foolishness is that he really didn’t want to coach again, but ego and MONEY changed his mind. Now he’s miserable and unlike in college, he’s miserable and LOSING.
Have to give props to Harbaugh  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/11/2021 2:23 pm : link
I thought his creepy douchiness would turn off the parents in the living room.
RE: RE: A disaster in the making from day one  
dpinzow : 12/11/2021 3:22 pm : link
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College coaches rarely make it in the NFL. Saban is a classic example. And all this is terrible for Trevor Lawrence.



Really? Jimmy Johnson, Coughlin, and Carroll did pretty damn well. Harbaugh did well. Dick Vermeil, too.


Jimmy Johnson is the only coach who was largely a college coach before he went to the NFL. The others (Coughlin, Carroll, Harbaugh) had more experience in the NFL. Harbaugh went back to college when the NFL got too tough for him in San Francisco
Stuck with what  
PaulN : 12/11/2021 3:23 pm : link
Is wrong with the Giants instead kf throwing rocks at others, that is sickening.
Carroll was HC of the NYJ and New England  
dpinzow : 12/11/2021 3:25 pm : link
before going to USC

Coughlin was a longtime NFL assistant before spending a couple of years with Boston College, so he was largely an NFL coach

Dick Vermeil was a head coach at UCLA for two years before going to the Eagles in 1976, then got his ass kicked in the NFL for his first 3 years before the Eagles improved. Then he quit the Eagles because he couldn't handle the rigors of the NFL, and took a long hiatus from coaching before returning with the Rams. When Vermeil won the Super Bowl with the Rams he was considered an NFL coach, not a college coach
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bw in dc : 12/11/2021 3:26 pm : link
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College coaches rarely make it in the NFL. Saban is a classic example. And all this is terrible for Trevor Lawrence.



Really? Jimmy Johnson, Coughlin, and Carroll did pretty damn well. Harbaugh did well. Dick Vermeil, too.




Jimmy Johnson is the only coach who was largely a college coach before he went to the NFL. The others (Coughlin, Carroll, Harbaugh) had more experience in the NFL. Harbaugh went back to college when the NFL got too tough for him in San Francisco


Harbaugh started off at San Diego State and then went to Stanford before he went to the 9ers.
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dpinzow : 12/11/2021 3:29 pm : link
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College coaches rarely make it in the NFL. Saban is a classic example. And all this is terrible for Trevor Lawrence.



Really? Jimmy Johnson, Coughlin, and Carroll did pretty damn well. Harbaugh did well. Dick Vermeil, too.




Jimmy Johnson is the only coach who was largely a college coach before he went to the NFL. The others (Coughlin, Carroll, Harbaugh) had more experience in the NFL. Harbaugh went back to college when the NFL got too tough for him in San Francisco



Harbaugh started off at San Diego State and then went to Stanford before he went to the 9ers.


The rigors of coaching in the NFL were too much for Harbaugh. His 49ers team was initially successful but started to fall apart before he left for Michigan. His NFL record is OK but no better than Jim Fassel's, for example
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bw in dc : 12/11/2021 3:40 pm : link
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The rigors of coaching in the NFL were too much for Harbaugh. His 49ers team was initially successful but started to fall apart before he left for Michigan. His NFL record is OK but no better than Jim Fassel's, for example


No it wasn't. He and Baalke couldn't get along. So ownership sided with Baalke and fired Harbaugh.

And as a reminder, Harbaugh got to a SB and lost to the Ravens and his brother. He was having success.
Story doesn't entirely add up  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/11/2021 3:42 pm : link
how many games did anyone realistically expect to win with that crap roster? Likely a hit piece.
rofl  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/11/2021 3:45 pm : link
'At this point, there are no signs that Jaguars owner Shad Khan is seriously considering a change. One of the NFL's most patient and supportive owners'

Sus.
I think  
Sammo85 : 12/11/2021 3:59 pm : link
he’s trying to get fired. He is making that Better.com CEO look like a soft hearted level headed angel!
RE: Story doesn't entirely add up  
UConn4523 : 12/11/2021 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15490260 Spiciest Memelord said:
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how many games did anyone realistically expect to win with that crap roster? Likely a hit piece.


A hit piece? That would mean that what Jones said/did didn’t happen, or that players post game weren’t actually complaining about Meyer. I find that to be close to impossible given Meyers track record.

Plenty of teams stink, how many have these reports coming out?
You can be a doucher  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/11/2021 4:03 pm : link
and get a hit piece against you.

Its like the saying just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A disaster in the making from day one  
dpinzow : 12/11/2021 4:05 pm : link
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The rigors of coaching in the NFL were too much for Harbaugh. His 49ers team was initially successful but started to fall apart before he left for Michigan. His NFL record is OK but no better than Jim Fassel's, for example



No it wasn't. He and Baalke couldn't get along. So ownership sided with Baalke and fired Harbaugh.

And as a reminder, Harbaugh got to a SB and lost to the Ravens and his brother. He was having success.


Jim Harbaugh's record in the NFL is an incomplete and will always be so unless he returns. He had success for a short time but he'd have to be successful again in the NFL after he leaves Michigan, if he ever leaves there, to complete the resume
RE: I think  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/11/2021 4:13 pm : link
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he’s trying to get fired. He is making that Better.com CEO look like a soft hearted level headed angel!

I'm guessing he gets all the monies without doing any of the work.
NFL is no place for Meyer  
JonC : 12/11/2021 4:13 pm : link
he thinks he's the emperor while he has no clothes.
Go Jags!!  
State Your Name : 12/11/2021 4:13 pm : link
Get more than 5 wins please
RE: You can be a doucher  
UConn4523 : 12/11/2021 4:21 pm : link
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and get a hit piece against you.

Its like the saying just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you.


A hit piece is something that’s false but written to sound true. So that means everything described in it didn’t happen - do you actually believe that?
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MyNameIsMyName : 12/11/2021 4:25 pm : link
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College coaches rarely make it in the NFL. Saban is a classic example. And all this is terrible for Trevor Lawrence.



Really? Jimmy Johnson, Coughlin, and Carroll did pretty damn well. Harbaugh did well. Dick Vermeil, too.




Jimmy Johnson is the only coach who was largely a college coach before he went to the NFL. The others (Coughlin, Carroll, Harbaugh) had more experience in the NFL. Harbaugh went back to college when the NFL got too tough for him in San Francisco



Harbaugh started off at San Diego State and then went to Stanford before he went to the 9ers.



The rigors of coaching in the NFL were too much for Harbaugh. His 49ers team was initially successful but started to fall apart before he left for Michigan. His NFL record is OK but no better than Jim Fassel's, for example


Harbaugh left the NFL because of his clashing with Jed York. His NFL record is ok, huh? He had a .695 winning percentage. 44-19 is only ok to you?
If the story was broken  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/11/2021 4:27 pm : link
by a Charlotte-Gazette whatever newspaper beat reporter would be legit I guess, but if blaring in a slanted article on NFL.com, umm yeah...


RE: RE: Only Coughlin  
HomerJones45 : 12/11/2021 4:43 pm : link
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could bring that dysfunctional org (and ours) to multiple championship games.

Coughlin contributed to dysfuntion in his last go-round with the Jaguars and in case you haven't noticed the Giants won plenty of championships before Coughlin; and Coughlin was part of the problem in his last few years with the Giants (contributing to the mismanagement of both Plaxico and OBJ and a big part of the draft day decisions that so many on BBI blame for the team's plunge from contender to pretender). For all the talk of Coughlin being a disciplinarian, it was an undisciplined team that he lost control of.
A TC hater from way back. How are you enjoying the three stooges we've had since TC got the boot? Should turn around any day now, right? I see you have learned absolutely nothing.

Good for Meyer. These players have done absolutely nothing with which to be credited, Morrone ran a country club, and Meyer's job is to kick some ass. You want to be treated like adults, act like adults and put the work in-this is not jr league soccer where everyone gets a participation trophy. If the receivers are getting criticized, they should be; the Jax receivers have been bad, and Mr. Respected Voice in the locker room who hasn't played on a winning team in 6 years is part of it-his respected voice hasn't done anything to improve his fellow receivers. And who the fuck is Lawrence to be telling coaches who should play and who shouldn't. Go sit down Trevor, you've got enough to work on with your own play, and if we want your opinion, we'll ask for it.

These players are doing exactly what they did with Morrone- whining to the press, the owner, the union- any one they can find that will listen to them. Anything instead of buckling down and going to work to get better.
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Spiciest Memelord : 12/11/2021 5:16 pm : link
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could bring that dysfunctional org (and ours) to multiple championship games.

Coughlin contributed to dysfuntion in his last go-round with the Jaguars and in case you haven't noticed the Giants won plenty of championships before Coughlin; and Coughlin was part of the problem in his last few years with the Giants (contributing to the mismanagement of both Plaxico and OBJ and a big part of the draft day decisions that so many on BBI blame for the team's plunge from contender to pretender). For all the talk of Coughlin being a disciplinarian, it was an undisciplined team that he lost control of.

A TC hater from way back. How are you enjoying the three stooges we've had since TC got the boot? Should turn around any day now, right? I see you have learned absolutely nothing.

Good for Meyer. These players have done absolutely nothing with which to be credited, Morrone ran a country club, and Meyer's job is to kick some ass. You want to be treated like adults, act like adults and put the work in-this is not jr league soccer where everyone gets a participation trophy. If the receivers are getting criticized, they should be; the Jax receivers have been bad, and Mr. Respected Voice in the locker room who hasn't played on a winning team in 6 years is part of it-his respected voice hasn't done anything to improve his fellow receivers. And who the fuck is Lawrence to be telling coaches who should play and who shouldn't. Go sit down Trevor, you've got enough to work on with your own play, and if we want your opinion, we'll ask for it.

These players are doing exactly what they did with Morrone- whining to the press, the owner, the union- any one they can find that will listen to them. Anything instead of buckling down and going to work to get better.


Why is this news? Same thing going on for years over there.

This is basically who Meyer is working for. Would not be surprised if he planted the story to deflect the blame for the dysfunction so people will get off his back on social media.

RE: RE: Only Coughlin  
widmerseyebrow : 12/11/2021 5:28 pm : link
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Coughlin contributed to dysfuntion in his last go-round with the Jaguars and in case you haven't noticed the Giants won plenty of championships before Coughlin;


Yeah, only 17 years elapsed since our prior Super Bowl with Parcells. Coughlin was just fortunate to arrive right when the winning started happening again. What a weird swipe at our last great coach.
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FStubbs : 12/11/2021 11:28 pm : link
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The rigors of coaching in the NFL were too much for Harbaugh. His 49ers team was initially successful but started to fall apart before he left for Michigan. His NFL record is OK but no better than Jim Fassel's, for example



No it wasn't. He and Baalke couldn't get along. So ownership sided with Baalke and fired Harbaugh.

And as a reminder, Harbaugh got to a SB and lost to the Ravens and his brother. He was having success.


I think you made his point, because Fassel did exactly that - get to a Superbowl and lose to the Ravens.
I think Urban is a phony  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/12/2021 8:01 am : link
but he has had winning programs. The NFL is a totally different animal with all the parity. It is much different building a team via the draft/FA then recruiting in college.

Losing cultures take big change to transform. The transition is often not a comfortable one.

TC had the press all over him almost from day 1. Some players revolted but in time learned how his methods would help build a champion. TC bended a little and showed how he cared about his players (he even said he always did but did not show it) but he never compromised on his demands and expectations.

Pretty stupid taking a shot at our two time SB champion coach. Parcells has called him one of the two very best coaches he ever had. BB called him a great coach. Tough to stay in the same place for too long. Even tougher when the talent level goes way down.
Tom Coughlin's coaching record is what it is  
arniefez : 12/12/2021 9:13 am : link
.531 career winning percentage 2 championship games in Jacksonville, 2 Super Bowl wins with the Giants. Probably going to the HOF.

His record as an executive is another story. His first run in Jacksonville ended because he became a bad drafter and a worse cap manager. His second run ended with 25% of all NFLPA grievances being filed against his team and a letter from the NFLPA not to sign in Jacksonville. He gave Nick Foles 88 million dollars/45 million guaranteed. He gave Blake Bortles 65 million/26 million guaranteed. He alienated Leonard Fournette and traded Jalen Ramsey among others who are still productive, valuable players in the NFL.

Looking back on his last few years with the Giants and hearing John Mara say no Giants coach ever had more say over the personnel, IMO it puts some perspective on why Reese and Ross weren't fired at the same. The problem for Giant fans is that Reese and Ross were as least as much of the problem as Coughlin was and John Mara didn't know it. Which IMO explains where the Giants are now.

After the Coughlin mess you would think Jacksonville couldn't get more dysfunctional but maybe that's wrong. They're turning Lawrence into the next David Carr or Tim Couch. As far as Urban Meyer goes I hope he sticks around for at least another year of getting humiliated. Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

This is why you just never know with college coaches...  
EricJ : 12/12/2021 10:20 am : link
who were successful on that level, but have no real NFL experience.
Love that Harbaugh is AP coach of the year  
RCPhoenix : 12/12/2021 12:08 pm : link
And Meyer has lost his team
RE: RE: Meyer should have reserved his criticism for RBs  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/13/2021 2:58 pm : link
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Are you back to being fucking asshole again?
Get a life

Am I an asshole, or are you a moron?

You don't have to know everything about football (like knowing that one of the best WRs in the NFL not too long ago was a WR), but you can always use Google or at least click the link in an OP.

If you can't keep the position of a former all-pro player straight, why should your opinions about anything else football-related matter? This isn't asking you to get super nuanced; it's merely asking you to know who the best players in the league are at any given position over the most recent stretch of years.

If that's beyond your scope, maybe you shouldn't be admonishing anyone's opinions on here.
Lonely, sad and wandering all over the field  
jeff57 : 12/13/2021 3:09 pm : link
When last seen.
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RE: RE: RE: Meyer should have reserved his criticism for RBs  
montanagiant : 12/13/2021 5:18 pm : link
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Are you back to being fucking asshole again?
Get a life


Am I an asshole, or are you a moron?

You don't have to know everything about football (like knowing that one of the best WRs in the NFL not too long ago was a WR), but you can always use Google or at least click the link in an OP.

If you can't keep the position of a former all-pro player straight, why should your opinions about anything else football-related matter? This isn't asking you to get super nuanced; it's merely asking you to know who the best players in the league are at any given position over the most recent stretch of years.

If that's beyond your scope, maybe you shouldn't be admonishing anyone's opinions on here.

LMAO..It was a brain-fart on my part, so sorry it bothered you to this degree (Not really, I find it actually humorous).

Now go get your shine box and go fuck yourself you miserable asinine wretch
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Gatorade Dunk : 12/13/2021 5:42 pm : link
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Are you back to being fucking asshole again?
Get a life


Am I an asshole, or are you a moron?

You don't have to know everything about football (like knowing that one of the best WRs in the NFL not too long ago was a WR), but you can always use Google or at least click the link in an OP.

If you can't keep the position of a former all-pro player straight, why should your opinions about anything else football-related matter? This isn't asking you to get super nuanced; it's merely asking you to know who the best players in the league are at any given position over the most recent stretch of years.

If that's beyond your scope, maybe you shouldn't be admonishing anyone's opinions on here.


LMAO..It was a brain-fart on my part, so sorry it bothered you to this degree (Not really, I find it actually humorous).

Now go get your shine box and go fuck yourself you miserable asinine wretch

Ok, Jaime Dutton, I'll go get my shine box.

While I'm at it, try to learn about football.
After you get your shine box  
montanagiant : 12/13/2021 7:28 pm : link
Go see a therapist for your mental health you weird dipshit
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/13/2021 7:31 pm : link
Anyone else think Urban is trying to get fired? That way, he can paid & just walk away.
check out Meyer shaking hands with Vrabel yesterday...  
BillKo : 12/13/2021 10:15 pm : link
...after the game. LOL. Looked like he couldn't give two shits about anything Jaguars.
Meyer comes off as a totally sleazy asshole  
Dave in PA : 12/13/2021 10:18 pm : link
No wonder his team hates him
RE: After you get your shine box  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 9:22 am : link
In comment 15494607 montanagiant said:
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Go see a therapist for your mental health you weird dipshit

I guess it's easier to insult my mental health than it is for you to actually learn about football and be a contributor who can elevate even a single discussion. Is there a particular area where you feel like you add value here?

I know that I have a really good handle on cap dynamics and roster construction. I know that I can dig into statistics and offer some (admittedly amateur) insights into what those stats reveal.

What is it that you bring to the table, MG? What do you add?
Can't we all just get along?  
adamg : 12/14/2021 9:48 am : link
:)
RE: RE: After you get your shine box  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15495033 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Go see a therapist for your mental health you weird dipshit


I guess it's easier to insult my mental health than it is for you to actually learn about football and be a contributor who can elevate even a single discussion. Is there a particular area where you feel like you add value here?

I know that I have a really good handle on cap dynamics and roster construction. I know that I can dig into statistics and offer some (admittedly amateur) insights into what those stats reveal.

What is it that you bring to the table, MG? What do you add?

I honestly find it both stunning and hilarious that you base your valuation of life on a damn football message board. You prove my point about you having mental issues with that alone. Who the hell walks around going "I think I bring value to an internet football message board..hmph...hmph" like it's something to brag about. LMAO

You don't bring shit but your opinion to this board. You don't have any special knowledge or insight into the Giants or football, they don't look to you for advice, no one on here goes "I can't wait until Gatoradedunk posts" you fucking delusional idiot.

This last post of yours with its "Follow me oh unwashed BBI members as as I lead you to the promised land of football fulfillment" message does more to prove my point of you needing serious mental help than anything I could ever write
RE: RE: RE: After you get your shine box  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15495436 montanagiant said:
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Go see a therapist for your mental health you weird dipshit


I guess it's easier to insult my mental health than it is for you to actually learn about football and be a contributor who can elevate even a single discussion. Is there a particular area where you feel like you add value here?

I know that I have a really good handle on cap dynamics and roster construction. I know that I can dig into statistics and offer some (admittedly amateur) insights into what those stats reveal.

What is it that you bring to the table, MG? What do you add?


I honestly find it both stunning and hilarious that you base your valuation of life on a damn football message board. You prove my point about you having mental issues with that alone. Who the hell walks around going "I think I bring value to an internet football message board..hmph...hmph" like it's something to brag about. LMAO

You don't bring shit but your opinion to this board. You don't have any special knowledge or insight into the Giants or football, they don't look to you for advice, no one on here goes "I can't wait until Gatoradedunk posts" you fucking delusional idiot.

This last post of yours with its "Follow me oh unwashed BBI members as as I lead you to the promised land of football fulfillment" message does more to prove my point of you needing serious mental help than anything I could ever write

I don't base my valuation of life on this board. I am very content with my life outside of BBI, and have a career that allows me to also enjoy the hobby of contributing to BBI in a way that I think is meaningful and instructive. It's not always perfect, but it's accurate.

What have you ever added here that helps anyone else understand football better than they did before?
See this is the difference between us  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 1:34 pm : link
It is not vital to me to keep score about good points I make on here. That is not what I come to BBI for. I don't come here in the hopes that I can feel important on BBI. I mean It never even crossed my mind to even think about doing that because when it all comes down to is that we all here have nothing but opinions. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong.

Sometimes we talk about food, sometimes it's for advice, sometimes for a laugh, sometimes to catch up with old friends. What the vast majority doesn't do is come here to an internet message board to make themselves feel important, that seems to your specialty. In all honesty you seem to be about the only one who feels they actually need to publish an embellished BBI resume for some really weird reason

You remind me more and more of Matt in Syracuse with every post you're making in this thread...And that's not a good thing
RE: See this is the difference between us  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15495519 montanagiant said:
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It is not vital to me to keep score about good points I make on here. That is not what I come to BBI for. I don't come here in the hopes that I can feel important on BBI. I mean It never even crossed my mind to even think about doing that because when it all comes down to is that we all here have nothing but opinions. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong.

Sometimes we talk about food, sometimes it's for advice, sometimes for a laugh, sometimes to catch up with old friends. What the vast majority doesn't do is come here to an internet message board to make themselves feel important, that seems to your specialty. In all honesty you seem to be about the only one who feels they actually need to publish an embellished BBI resume for some really weird reason

You remind me more and more of Matt in Syracuse with every post you're making in this thread...And that's not a good thing

You can't keep score about good points. You don't make any.
LMAO..  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 1:38 pm : link
Is this where I go "I know you are but what am I?"


Holy shit you are truly a basket case
RE: LMAO..  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15495527 montanagiant said:
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Is this where I go "I know you are but what am I?"


Holy shit you are truly a basket case

Nope, just pointing out your uselessness.
RE: RE: LMAO..  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 2:04 pm : link
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Is this where I go "I know you are but what am I?"


Holy shit you are truly a basket case


Nope, just pointing out your uselessness.

I think many would disagree with that and some would completely agree...OH WELL!

But here's the thing, I will still come here and laugh, bitch, yell, talk about food, get some advice on certain topics, give some advice if I have experience with it, marvel at your mental issues, post my opinions which some will be correct and some won't. You know, do the things that 99% of BBI members do.

What I won't do is have the audacity to proclaim myself as the BBI internet Messiah in some delusional opinion of myself. Not just because it's completely asinine and absurd, but because unlike yourself it just is not important to me I don't need validation from a football message board. It is just so far outside the realm of normal that I can't even wrap my head around the fact that someone would actually think that way.

Honestly, you really need some serious help
RE: RE: RE: LMAO..  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15495598 montanagiant said:
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Is this where I go "I know you are but what am I?"


Holy shit you are truly a basket case


Nope, just pointing out your uselessness.


I think many would disagree with that and some would completely agree...OH WELL!

But here's the thing, I will still come here and laugh, bitch, yell, talk about food, get some advice on certain topics, give some advice if I have experience with it, marvel at your mental issues, post my opinions which some will be correct and some won't. You know, do the things that 99% of BBI members do.

What I won't do is have the audacity to proclaim myself as the BBI internet Messiah in some delusional opinion of myself. Not just because it's completely asinine and absurd, but because unlike yourself it just is not important to me I don't need validation from a football message board. It is just so far outside the realm of normal that I can't even wrap my head around the fact that someone would actually think that way.

Honestly, you really need some serious help

You keep bringing up food. Do you want someone to buy you a subscription to Bon Apetit?
What?  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 2:25 pm : link
It's a weekly subject that Bill in Utah makes a thread about that a bunch of us always post in.

Let me guess, that bothers you also?
RE: What?  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 2:28 pm : link
In comment 15495643 montanagiant said:
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It's a weekly subject that Bill in Utah makes a thread about that a bunch of us always post in.

Let me guess, that bothers you also?

No, I think Bill provides value to the board. I've even encouraged him to start a blog or write a cookbook.

I think you just have an odd fixation with food when questioned about your shortcomings with regard to football knowledge - in each of your previous posts, "talk about food" was one of the first things you mentioned. That's weird.
LOL...You know I just happened to review your last 10 post you've made  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 2:35 pm : link
Regarding football.

For someone who claims they are the BBI Jesus with all the in-depth knowledge they bring do you realize you have zero responses to anything you've posted? ZERO, NADA, ZILCH!!

The subjects cover 6 different topics from Fromm to Dottino and NO ONE has interacted with one single thing you've posted. For someone so concerned with their rep on BBI that has to cut you deep. I can't believe BBI members are missing out on all those post you make rehashing what other have said earlier in the thread...LOL, too fucking funny
I'm up to 15 posts now  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 2:40 pm : link
NO ONE responding to anything you have posted
I stopped at 20  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 2:45 pm : link
TWENTY (20) comments with zero responses from anyone regarding anything you posted.

TWENTY fucking posts and no one gives you the time of day..LOL
RE: I stopped at 20  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15495678 montanagiant said:
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TWENTY (20) comments with zero responses from anyone regarding anything you posted.

TWENTY fucking posts and no one gives you the time of day..LOL

And you think I'm the one who needs mental help.
Who knew that "talk about food"  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 2:51 pm : link
was such a trigger for you?

Keep tracking my posts, loser.
RE: Who knew that  
GNewGiants : 12/14/2021 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15495688 Gatorade Dunk said:
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was such a trigger for you?

Keep tracking my posts, loser.


Just to add to this.... you have stated he provides nothing to this board, so you clearly track his...lol

Just pointing out the irony.
RE: RE: Who knew that  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15495689 GNewGiants said:
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was such a trigger for you?

Keep tracking my posts, loser.



Just to add to this.... you have stated he provides nothing to this board, so you clearly track his...lol

Just pointing out the irony.

It's just in this thread that he included at the top of two separate replies "talk about food" - I didn't track his posts on any other threads.

But he did, obviously.
RE: RE: I stopped at 20  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15495683 Gatorade Dunk said:
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TWENTY (20) comments with zero responses from anyone regarding anything you posted.

TWENTY fucking posts and no one gives you the time of day..LOL


And you think I'm the one who needs mental help.

Well, I thought I would find all this inciteful knowledge you claimed you brought being spread amongst the faithful being discussed and praised.

Instead I found a lonely person who no one, and I mean NO ONE wants to interact with. Most likely because they periodically become a miserable whiny bitch who likes to start shit for no reason other than it's about the only way anyone will interact with you over

20 posts no interactions at all..I can't stop laughing
RE: RE: Who knew that  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15495689 GNewGiants said:
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was such a trigger for you?

Keep tracking my posts, loser.



Just to add to this.... you have stated he provides nothing to this board, so you clearly track his...lol

Just pointing out the irony.

Don't bother, logic is not one of the great things he brings to us here at BBI
RE: RE: RE: I stopped at 20  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15495697 montanagiant said:
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TWENTY (20) comments with zero responses from anyone regarding anything you posted.

TWENTY fucking posts and no one gives you the time of day..LOL


And you think I'm the one who needs mental help.


Well, I thought I would find all this inciteful knowledge you claimed you brought being spread amongst the faithful being discussed and praised.

Instead I found a lonely person who no one, and I mean NO ONE wants to interact with. Most likely because they periodically become a miserable whiny bitch who likes to start shit for no reason other than it's about the only way anyone will interact with you over

20 posts no interactions at all..I can't stop laughing

Inciteful?

I'm sure you meant insightful. But you might have dropped some crumbs on your dictionary.
You know how you know someone is getting bitch slapped really hard  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 3:02 pm : link
When they have to point out spelling mistakes.

TWENTY (20) POSTS = Not one response. I mean that's really bad.

I actually feel sorry for you now!
Speaking of people losing their minds...  
BrettNYG10 : 12/14/2021 3:05 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: I stopped at 20  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15495697 montanagiant said:
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TWENTY (20) comments with zero responses from anyone regarding anything you posted.

TWENTY fucking posts and no one gives you the time of day..LOL


And you think I'm the one who needs mental help.


Well, I thought I would find all this inciteful knowledge you claimed you brought being spread amongst the faithful being discussed and praised.

Instead I found a lonely person who no one, and I mean NO ONE wants to interact with. Most likely because they periodically become a miserable whiny bitch who likes to start shit for no reason other than it's about the only way anyone will interact with you over

20 posts no interactions at all..I can't stop laughing

By the way, your "inciteful" food-filled POV isn't even accurate:

https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=616090&show_all=1#15495386

https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=616090&show_all=1#15495422

https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=616090&show_all=1#15495654

https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=616090&show_all=1#15495667

https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=615992&show_all=1#15493783
LOL...Aww you caught me  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 3:24 pm : link
You know what? I never did any count at all of your posts (that actually though is still a surprisingly low rate of responses for the BBI Guru).

I just wanted to see how irrationally vital it is for you to feel important on an anonymous internet football board. Thanks for proving me correct on my assumption!
RE: LOL...Aww you caught me  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15495743 montanagiant said:
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You know what? I never did any count at all of your posts (that actually though is still a surprisingly low rate of responses for the BBI Guru).

I just wanted to see how irrationally vital it is for you to feel important on an anonymous internet football board. Thanks for proving me correct on my assumption!

That's where I decided it was enough to prove you a fraud.

There are food websites you can go to instead, since football is not your thing.

Sure that's what you did  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 3:34 pm : link
I'm stunned you would even respond to that let alone take the time to review your posts. I mean seriously, you 100% proved my point.LOL

It's like taking candy from a baby...Hey, there's a food thread we can make
RE: Sure that's what you did  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15495768 montanagiant said:
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I'm stunned you would even respond to that let alone take the time to review your posts. I mean seriously, you 100% proved my point.LOL

It's like taking candy from a baby...Hey, there's a food thread we can make

Just so we're clear, you pretended to track my posts, continued to lie for multiple unresponded replies, and when I took literally three minutes to prove that you were full of shit, I proved YOUR point?

You're a fucking loser.
The fact you would take any time at all  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 3:57 pm : link
And actually respond by reviewing your posts is just so damn typical of you and your yearning for validation on BBI.

I actually was impressed you hadn't responded sooner and then BAM! you walk right into it and proved every single thing I pointed out about you. LOL...It was perfect and so damn easy!

You have a great day, take care BBI Jesus, thank you for all your gifts of knowledge and wisdom on here!!
RE: The fact you would take any time at all  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 3:59 pm : link
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And actually respond by reviewing your posts is just so damn typical of you and your yearning for validation on BBI.

I actually was impressed you hadn't responded sooner and then BAM! you walk right into it and proved every single thing I pointed out about you. LOL...It was perfect and so damn easy!

You have a great day, take care BBI Jesus, thank you for all your gifts of knowledge and wisdom on here!!

You literally claimed to pretend to chase down my posts and lied about whether anyone had replied to them.

You have no high road here, loser.
RE: RE: The fact you would take any time at all  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 4:00 pm : link
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And actually respond by reviewing your posts is just so damn typical of you and your yearning for validation on BBI.

I actually was impressed you hadn't responded sooner and then BAM! you walk right into it and proved every single thing I pointed out about you. LOL...It was perfect and so damn easy!

You have a great day, take care BBI Jesus, thank you for all your gifts of knowledge and wisdom on here!!


You literally claimed to pretend to chase down my posts and lied about whether anyone had replied to them.

You have no high road here, loser.

And let's be honest, you actually did chase down my posts and somehow screwed it up because you have the IQ of a squirrel.
I wanted to be BBI Jesus  
adamg : 12/14/2021 4:05 pm : link
Can I be BBI Jesus?
As BBI Jesus, I command you two to shake hands and apologize  
adamg : 12/14/2021 4:17 pm : link
and make up and become friends...
RE: As BBI Jesus, I command you two to shake hands and apologize  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 4:21 pm : link
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and make up and become friends...

I would be amenable to that, Jesus.

MG and I have been friends on here (and on BBWC) for years. I'd rather restore my friendship with him than continue this nonsense.
RE: I wanted to be BBI Jesus  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 4:21 pm : link
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Can I be BBI Jesus?

Not until you post your BBI resume of past posts that contain vital information and special knowledge (whatever the fuck that is) that only you have.

Also, you must count how many responses to those past posts you have received........LMAO!
RE: RE: As BBI Jesus, I command you two to shake hands and apologize  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 4:23 pm : link
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and make up and become friends...


I would be amenable to that, Jesus.

MG and I have been friends on here (and on BBWC) for years. I'd rather restore my friendship with him than continue this nonsense.

MY God GD, you do this every single time. You start shit with me for no reason and then you want to make up. This was exactly what you did the last time also.

What is the purpose of doing that if you consider me a friend?
RE: RE: RE: As BBI Jesus, I command you two to shake hands and apologize  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/14/2021 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15495857 montanagiant said:
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and make up and become friends...


I would be amenable to that, Jesus.

MG and I have been friends on here (and on BBWC) for years. I'd rather restore my friendship with him than continue this nonsense.


MY God GD, you do this every single time. You start shit with me for no reason and then you want to make up. This was exactly what you did the last time also.

What is the purpose of doing that if you consider me a friend?

MG, I'm not the one who pretended to track your posts. I just don't think it serves anyones purposes for us to each be at each other's throats.

And I do respect you as a person, even if you don't necessarily respect my football knowledge.
RE: RE: RE: RE: As BBI Jesus, I command you two to shake hands and apologize  
montanagiant : 12/14/2021 4:42 pm : link
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and make up and become friends...


I would be amenable to that, Jesus.

MG and I have been friends on here (and on BBWC) for years. I'd rather restore my friendship with him than continue this nonsense.


MY God GD, you do this every single time. You start shit with me for no reason and then you want to make up. This was exactly what you did the last time also.

What is the purpose of doing that if you consider me a friend?


MG, I'm not the one who pretended to track your posts. I just don't think it serves anyones purposes for us to each be at each other's throats.

And I do respect you as a person, even if you don't necessarily respect my football knowledge.

What I did after the fact has nothing to do with why you start these stupid arguments

I never once said I didn't respect your football knowledge. I pointed out I felt in the context you were talking that over embellish it
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