I have never heard this before. Ian O’Connor was interviewed on the NYG Weekly podcast. Per Ian, John Mara wanted to give the GM job to Chris Mara back in 2007 (when Reese was hired). Tisch apparently blocked it stating that this would make the GM unfireable.
That is very troubling, and say what you want about Tisch - his 50% stake is important.
I linked the podcast, discussion starts around the 47:00 mark.
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Either way, not a good state of affairs for the Giants. It's time for Goodell to pull a Rozelle, install an adult GM and turn this ship around.
Either way, not a good state of affairs for the Giants. It's time for Goodell to pull a Rozelle, install an adult GM and turn this ship around.
And you assume it was a real "possibility" because...?
Gettleman will go down as one of the worst GM's in history. Matt Millenesque.
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it's troubling that it was even a possibility. Either John Mara has horrible judgement, or the family has undue influence over the franchise.
Either way, not a good state of affairs for the Giants. It's time for Goodell to pull a Rozelle, install an adult GM and turn this ship around.
And you assume it was a real "possibility" because...?
If you listen to the linked conversation, Ian O'Connor knows it was a possibility because he spoke each of the people involved. He directly quotes Steve Tisch, and relays that Chris Mara was "heartbroken" that he wasn't hired.
I'd completely forgotten about it until seeing this, and looking back with 14 years perspective, the thought of that having possibly occurring is chilling.
Doesn't really support the theory that Chris Mara is just collecting a check.
One was Gettleman, obviously. I recall him being butt hurt that Reese got the job. Who was the other, or forget. Abrams?
Giants have had some really laughable and illegitimate hiring searches going back last few decades. Even Coughlin was an "in the bag" hire because Wellington demanded him and Fassel was a sitting duck end of the season.
In all honestly, we might be better off with one of the owners on the position over the current model
Nephew Timmy is being groomed to take over for John.
Not sure about the Tisch side of things
Even if it's old news I find it encouraging that Tisch actually pays attention to these things and it's not just John Mara making all the decisions.
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was in fact given an interview back on 2007. Four total candidates were interviewed. Reese was obvioulsy one of them. If you can't figure out the other two candidates here's a hint - they're both currently employed by the team.
One was Gettleman, obviously. I recall him being butt hurt that Reese got the job. Who was the other, or forget. Abrams?
yeah, it was Abrams. 10 years later, they were more or less operating from the same group of candidates.
Damn near a smoking gun as you're going to get to confirm he has input on who the Giants are getting. He must have been pissed!
Damn it Chris Mara! Hands off! You're a freaking horse trader, not an NFL guru....
Too many damn cooks in the kitchen
Yes, I am kidding, but could it have been worse?
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Is there a succession plan after John Mara and/or Steve Tisch?
Nephew Timmy is being groomed to take over for John.
Not sure about the Tisch side of things
Jonathon Tisch is currently the Giants’ treasurer.
Honestly I'd feel a lot better about them if it wasn't for their obsession with creating a narrative that they are "good" people.
You own the team, pal around with your friends and brother and whoever, it's annoying but I get why you would want to do that.
Don't insult my intelligence and tell me how much "you care" about putting a good team on the field when you make those choices. It's clearly not your priority don't twist the knife by peddling BS in addition to that.
You can be a very nice person and still be incredibly selfish with your actions.
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Is there a succession plan after John Mara and/or Steve Tisch?
Nephew Timmy is being groomed to take over for John.
Not sure about the Tisch side of things
Jonathon Tisch is currently the Giants’ treasurer.
he is only 4 years younger than Steve
Yes, I am kidding, but could it have been worse?
Well, seeing as it was 2007, yes, it could have been far worse.
Apparently Tisch has had other things on his mind...
Lol, the family owns the team and runs the football side of operations. Of course they influence the entire franchise.
Honestly it is surprising that a team owned 50/50 is overwhelming controlled by one partner.
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Unfortunately for Giant fans Tisch doesn't pay enough attention to see that the Mara bros went around him.
Apparently Tisch has had other things on his mind...
If Johnny did more of this and less football the team would be better off.
Actually, there were five. Charlie Casserly interviewed as well.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nflinsider/2006/12/casserly_in_running_for_giants.html
Will always have his pressers though which were just classic...
But yet people deny he has any role in personnel and is just there drawing a check - despite the fact he could easily do so as owner anyway.
He took over the role in 2012 and that's when this dark age of Giants football began.
Coincidence or not, what we should hope for is that he really DOES reassign himself to a "drawing a check" position if for nothing more than optics.
As far as Jonathan Tisch being Treasurer, I don't think we as fans care about that stuff, we just want football guys making the football decisions.
As Giants fans IMO having him take over as CEO of the Giants would be the best thing to happen since the day Lawrence Taylor was drafted.
This is the guy someone is making fun of because the Giants list him as treasurer.
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Do you want Jonathon Tisch running your team or John and Chris Mara who have the combined business experience of being training by Wellington Mara and are in the process of honoring the part of his legacy they have tried so hard to hide and white wash? I know which line I'll be in.
There as a thread about will you ever see the Giants win another Super Bowl. Have Jonathon Tisch run the franchise as CEO and my answer would change to yes.
I've said before the NFL put in a rule after the sale to Robert Tisch that 50/50 partnerships are no longer allowed. I hope there's tension and I hope it leaks out that the Tisch family thinks the Mara's are football and business incompetent. It's probably our only hope.
I'm not sure it would have been a mistake.he'd worked around the leaguye, been around the team and had basically spent his life grooming for the job. Was crushed when he wasn't hired, and took what was basically a figurehead job instead, which led to his general disengagement. Still not sure he wouldn't have done a better job than what we had/have.
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I'm pretty sure that got out too.
It did, this was common knowledge, and there was no attempt to hide it. was reported on and discussed openly.
I'm not sure it would have been a mistake.he'd worked around the leaguye, been around the team and had basically spent his life grooming for the job. Was crushed when he wasn't hired, and took what was basically a figurehead job instead, which led to his general disengagement. Still not sure he wouldn't have done a better job than what we had/have.
The concern was legitimate though. If he wasn't the right person for the job, how do you fire an owner/brother? It's a question that is best left not explored.
Doesn't it make just as much sense to think he simply shifted his influence to a behind the scene role? That the more the team foundered, the more his role would grow as the view would be 'if only we'd hired Chris instead of Reese, and then DG'?
Our hope should be that DG was the figurehead, with Chris the man running the show, or at least with massive input. IF it becomes obvious Chris needs to have his voice dampened, only then will his voice be dampened.
Or, Tisch was right - you can't fire an owner. We're stuck with CM being a man with a voice in the room.
Any way you look at it, Chris had football ambition. That ambition isn't likely to have just magically disappeared.
He has made player personnel his entire career and doesn't look to be going anywhere.
But who is to say that these voices are not providing better opinions than what the last couple General Managers have brought to the table?
It is probably better to have the final decision-making group be a smaller one, but a broader team approach of gathering and developing the decision-making materials/info is fairly common. And as long as done with proper guidance, standards and controls is actually a favored approach.
Whether or not we are entitled to verify that is a separate question.
Honestly, I would have no problem if they named Tim GM. It would at least show some balls. Maybe that will translate onto the field.