Good news that it's getting away from DirecTV...but very bad news for the ~50% of Smart phone users who have Android OS phones..
The Mets broadcast was an absolute debacle from a technical perspective. No ability to pause or rewind, constant buffering and crashing. Hope they figure out some sort of Android app solution if this deal goes through.
Would have preferred Amazon or Youtube...
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It'd be great if they let you do like NBA league pass where you can watch it all or just one team. I'm planning on moving out of the northeast in a few years and will need a way to see the G men.
It'd be great if they let you do like NBA league pass where you can watch it all or just one team. I'm planning on moving out of the northeast in a few years and will need a way to see the G men.
Can confirm there is an Apple TV FireTV app.
Sunday Ticket moving to a site that you cannot DVR is not "getting to the year 2022", its going back to the 1970s, to the days before VCRs
And apparently I would have to buy a roku or firestick to see games on my TV
That's not archaic to me.
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There's a Roku app that I use all the time. Pretty sure there's a FireTV app, too. You have to think that most Smart TVs will have an app.
It'd be great if they let you do like NBA league pass where you can watch it all or just one team. I'm planning on moving out of the northeast in a few years and will need a way to see the G men.
Can confirm there is an Apple TV FireTV app.
LOL, obviously. I have google on my apple devices and vice versa...all works well.
not much I guess over 28 years, but still probably not the moneymaker some might have thought.
People like Mook calling up and wrestling it away from CSRs for free probably doesn't help, lol.
What company solves all issues for all people? If you aren't willing to be a tad flexible you are going to be disappointed with most purchases in life.
agreed with you here. Also I have to figure they are figuring they can use the NFL to convert more people to apple incentivizing them to make it fully available.
That's not archaic to me.
I expect the product to be better because of the company that's buying it. Sports broadcasting is archaic - limited options, lack of 4k streaming, still catering to cable subscribers. Its time to improve the product.
How is Directv "close to obsolete"? It works just fine and is way better than the pulling the plug options, which still isnt an option for those of us living outside their favorite team market
Agreed. Other than Netflix (who I would have loved to have done this deal) AppleTV+ is a near flawless application.
What company solves all issues for all people? If you aren't willing to be a tad flexible you are going to be disappointed with most purchases in life.
You think Apple will give us Sunday Ticket for free? No, we still have to pay for it and wont get any discounts that Directv has given many of us through the years. And now many of us will have to purchase more equipment
So we have to be flexible by having less options to see the game. We have to be flexible by not being able to DVR the games. What happened to your "now we will be in 2022" argument?
As of now, they do not. I have no idea if they have any plans to enter that marketplace. Live TV is a loss-leader for streaming platforms like YouTube TV, Hulu, etc. Apple may not feel the need to go there.
And im not sure why but lots of apps dont allow pausing or recording. Does anyone remember if the sunday ticket app (APP not television channel) allowed that feature?
Also the fact that so many think you will need an apple TV to watch this means apple really needs to improve their marketing or dumb it down (NOT CALLING PEOPLE HERE DUMB) but people need to know you can watch it on any device and clearly people dont.
And a Roku isn't "equipment". Its $20 and allows you to get a lot more than just access to Apple TV. If you don't have one now you'll have one in a few years.
Apple TV is literally on every single device with a screen. Kind of an odd takeaway.
That's not archaic to me.
The current Sunday ticket business model is absolutely archaic.
Apple has over $100,000,000,000 of cash on hand. Spending $2.5B annually to promote their streaming service is doable. I do doubt that it will be free though. More likely, you’ll get one-year free as a throw-in each time you buy a new Apple device.
Everywhere except on Android Phones... you can only access through Web Browser.
Apple TV is literally on every single device with a screen. Kind of an odd takeaway.
No phone app if you need to watch remotely. I had to watch the Mets game on a plane in my web browser and it was terrible
Watching from home? Indeed no big deal.
And a Roku isn't "equipment". Its $20 and allows you to get a lot more than just access to Apple TV. If you don't have one now you'll have one in a few years.
Yeah, the idea that you wouldn't have to pay a premium for Sun Ticket is an odd take. Apple is paying billions for it and they're supposed to give it away for free? I have Apple TV+, and I'll pay extra for Sunday Ticket, provided the cost isn't prohibitive.
I don't watch too many out-of-market games besides the Giants.
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Chrome OS
I can't speak to the Windows or Chrome OS experiences, but the Android OS Apple TV interface through mobile browser is horrid... live stream with no pause/rewind/browse controls and also fails to reconnect with browser close/open
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which is pretty soon going to be ubiquitous anyway because they are pumping out as much good content now as any other streaming service.
Apple has over $100,000,000,000 of cash on hand. Spending $2.5B annually to promote their streaming service is doable. I do doubt that it will be free though. More likely, you’ll get one-year free as a throw-in each time you buy a new Apple device.
i think it's 50-50 - im hoping they throw it in with their top tier monthly sub that includes apple tv, arcade, cloud, and music. maybe that goes up a few bucks but that would probably be the strongest way for them to leverage it since cash flow likely isn't their biggest priority.
So yeah if you have a Chromecast with Google TV you are ok, but as I mentioned before Apple does not seem to have any interest in playing nice with Android.
I would imagine that they'll release something for Android but it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't for years and if they did, it would be a second rate experience on Android phones.
I had to get a f-ing satellite dish on my house and the whole placed wired with physical wire just to get Sunday Ticket. And like many people that's the only reason I ever even got DirecTV.
The barrier of entry for an AppleTV version of Sunday Ticket will be MUCH lower and maybe the price will be too or will be more market focused (options to buy or view a team, week, or even individual game). Kind of like Sunday Ticket Europe.
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I'll reserve judgement on a DVR option until, you know, we actually know the details? And a roku is $20, should be an afterthought after paying what sunday ticket costs every year.
What company solves all issues for all people? If you aren't willing to be a tad flexible you are going to be disappointed with most purchases in life.
You think Apple will give us Sunday Ticket for free? No, we still have to pay for it and wont get any discounts that Directv has given many of us through the years. And now many of us will have to purchase more equipment
So we have to be flexible by having less options to see the game. We have to be flexible by not being able to DVR the games. What happened to your "now we will be in 2022" argument?
Everybody complaining about the supposed lack of a DVR obviously doesn’t understand how streaming on sports typically is made available.
As anyone who has ESPN+, fuboTV, Paramount Plus, YouTubeTV, or the streaming versions of NBA League Pass, NHL Center Ice, or Extra Innings/MLB.tv already knows, these services all have the ability to start from beginning even mid-game, have all DVR functionality, archived games etc.
In many ways it is in fact better than a DVR because you don’t even need to set it or do anything and it’s there.
Given GamePass I guess it is possible that there will be no archive with Sunday Ticket on Apple, but I think it is more likely that at a minimum it will be included at a lower rate or comped/be a feature.
And while it is certainly possible, I would not presume that the service will require an additional fee beyond the basic Apple TV+ subscription.
Disney includes NHL out of market (the old Center Ice) with ESPN+; there is no additional fee.
And Apple is playing the long game here, and their focus is on substantially increasing its subscriber base (which has been disappointing since ATV+ launch). I think a slight bump in the monthly subscription fee is more likely, especially since Apple is even more capable than DTV to treat this as a loss leader, and stands to benefit even more.
So in the world of Aaron Rodgers, “Relax”.
Lol
I'm not about telling people how to spend their money but big picture this will likely be a pretty cheap way to watch the games.
That's not archaic to me.
Jints, do you live in an apartment or condo? To my knowledge, and in my experience, you're not eligible to buy the Sunday Ticket streaming option if you're in a house because they want you to purchase the full DirecTv satellite package. Every time I enter my address to try to purchase just sunday ticket it denies me. That's tough
Have no problem paying Apple for the service. I usually got the Sunday Ticket for free, but the idea of never having to talk to a DirecTV CSR again is worth it.
We do not know any details of the Apple NFL platform, seems logical that they would support some time of DVR, or connection to the game pass library of recorded games
ATT ruined DTV IMHO it was perfect before they started making changed
I dumped DTV a year ago for YoutubeTV and GamePass and never looked back
You do realize that if you have a 4k device or tv it doesn’t mean the games are in 4k. In fact, they’re not even in 1080p. They are in 720p or 1080i and then upscaled
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an ugly ass dish on my roof is a homerun. Glad to see this is close to a done deal. Would be cool if they add red zone to this also so that can be in 4K too.
You do realize that if you have a 4k device or tv it doesn’t mean the games are in 4k. In fact, they’re not even in 1080p. They are in 720p or 1080i and then upscaled
The implication is that Apple would invest in 4k streaming option for football, something Direct TV didn't do. I don't think this is a fact, but I can guarantee it will happen sooner with Apple than it would as is.
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I'll reserve judgement on a DVR option until, you know, we actually know the details? And a roku is $20, should be an afterthought after paying what sunday ticket costs every year.
What company solves all issues for all people? If you aren't willing to be a tad flexible you are going to be disappointed with most purchases in life.
You think Apple will give us Sunday Ticket for free? No, we still have to pay for it and wont get any discounts that Directv has given many of us through the years. And now many of us will have to purchase more equipment
So we have to be flexible by having less options to see the game. We have to be flexible by not being able to DVR the games. What happened to your "now we will be in 2022" argument?
Everybody complaining about the supposed lack of a DVR obviously doesn’t understand how streaming on sports typically is made available.
As anyone who has ESPN+, fuboTV, Paramount Plus, YouTubeTV, or the streaming versions of NBA League Pass, NHL Center Ice, or Extra Innings/MLB.tv already knows, these services all have the ability to start from beginning even mid-game, have all DVR functionality, archived games etc.
In many ways it is in fact better than a DVR because you don’t even need to set it or do anything and it’s there.
Yes.. but anyone familiar with Apple's foray into live sports with MLB Friday games this year will tell you that they have a long way to go to improve their offering which was essentially the equivalent of an over the air live broadcast...
If they improve it, and find a way to get an app onto the 130 million Android phones in the US, then there will indeed be no issue...
And yes it will already be better than DTV no matter what and yes it will be worth paying for... no doubt.
But Amazon or Google would have been more attractive landing spots IMO...
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I'll reserve judgement on a DVR option until, you know, we actually know the details? And a roku is $20, should be an afterthought after paying what sunday ticket costs every year.
What company solves all issues for all people? If you aren't willing to be a tad flexible you are going to be disappointed with most purchases in life.
You think Apple will give us Sunday Ticket for free? No, we still have to pay for it and wont get any discounts that Directv has given many of us through the years. And now many of us will have to purchase more equipment
So we have to be flexible by having less options to see the game. We have to be flexible by not being able to DVR the games. What happened to your "now we will be in 2022" argument?
Everybody complaining about the supposed lack of a DVR obviously doesn’t understand how streaming on sports typically is made available.
As anyone who has ESPN+, fuboTV, Paramount Plus, YouTubeTV, or the streaming versions of NBA League Pass, NHL Center Ice, or Extra Innings/MLB.tv already knows, these services all have the ability to start from beginning even mid-game, have all DVR functionality, archived games etc.
In many ways it is in fact better than a DVR because you don’t even need to set it or do anything and it’s there.
Yes.. but anyone familiar with Apple's foray into live sports with MLB Friday games this year will tell you that they have a long way to go to improve their offering which was essentially the equivalent of an over the air live broadcast...
If they improve it, and find a way to get an app onto the 130 million Android phones in the US, then there will indeed be no issue...
And yes it will already be better than DTV no matter what and yes it will be worth paying for... no doubt.
But Amazon or Google would have been more attractive landing spots IMO...
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an ugly ass dish on my roof is a homerun. Glad to see this is close to a done deal. Would be cool if they add red zone to this also so that can be in 4K too.
You do realize that if you have a 4k device or tv it doesn’t mean the games are in 4k. In fact, they’re not even in 1080p. They are in 720p or 1080i and then upscaled
The implication is that Apple would invest in 4k streaming option for football, something Direct TV didn't do. I don't think this is a fact, but I can guarantee it will happen sooner with Apple than it would as is.
Isn't it incumbent on the broadcasters to provide 4k streams? So Apple would have to lean on Fox/CBS/NBC.
For instance, super bowl is in 4k when fox has it but not CBS because they haven't invested in 4k at all for football
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
There is literally nothing proprietary about the Apple TV app.
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
This is incorrect. If you have a smart tv that is older than 3 years, you may not be able to download apple TV. My sony is from 2017 and does not support apple tv. The apple tv website said tvs older than 3 years may not support them
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
Apple TV app doesn't exist for android phones. What the hell are you talking about? And it only works with certain browsers, so if you use Brave or something like that, you are shit out of luck.
This is literally from the apple website:
Seeing as how they stole the interface for the Mac from Xerox that would certainly be on brand for them
They'll call it "iPause" but it will only be supported by the very latest version of AppleTV, which will not be supported on any television built before 2022.
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You don't need an Apple TV device for Apple TV.
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
Apple TV app doesn't exist for android phones. What the hell are you talking about? And it only works with certain browsers, so if you use Brave or something like that, you are shit out of luck.
This is literally from the apple website:
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On a Windows PC (including Microsoft Surface), Chrome OS device, or Android device, you can watch Apple TV+ in the Chrome and Firefox web browsers.
Exactly... I'm not afraid of Apple...I actually subscribe to Apple TV+..
I just would like them to have an App for my phone.
Imagine if Apple devices didn't have a YouTube app. That's analogous to what we're talking about here and I think some folks are not understanding it ..
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You don't need an Apple TV device for Apple TV.
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
Apple TV app doesn't exist for android phones. What the hell are you talking about? And it only works with certain browsers, so if you use Brave or something like that, you are shit out of luck.
This is literally from the apple website:
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On a Windows PC (including Microsoft Surface), Chrome OS device, or Android device, you can watch Apple TV+ in the Chrome and Firefox web browsers.
So use a different browser? What does that take, 30 seconds to download for free? Or just buy a Roku and get the app, lol.
By the way, smart TV apps suck in general, you should have a 3rd party device anyway.
You listened to that hot garbage, then watched it?? You're a mosaicist.
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You don't need an Apple TV device for Apple TV.
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
Apple TV app doesn't exist for android phones. What the hell are you talking about? And it only works with certain browsers, so if you use Brave or something like that, you are shit out of luck.
This is literally from the apple website:
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On a Windows PC (including Microsoft Surface), Chrome OS device, or Android device, you can watch Apple TV+ in the Chrome and Firefox web browsers.
So use a different browser? What does that take, 30 seconds to download for free? Or just buy a Roku and get the app, lol.
By the way, smart TV apps suck in general, you should have a 3rd party device anyway.
How do you hook a Roku to a phone??
I do have Rokus and watching on TVs is not the problem. It is watching on Android, Chrome, and Windows OS that is an issue.
For instance right now I'm in the Philly airport watching the Mets PIP and typing this. Can't do that with Apple TV.
I also don't care to watch football on a tiny mobile screen so this doesn't apply to me at all. And by the time it does, i'm guessing a solution will exist for everybody if it doesn't already.
But to be dismissive and judgemental of Android users, calling us dumb or scared of apple or something while refusing to acknowledge that there is indeed a difference is just kinda silly..
Proper response is simply "oh I can see how that would be disappointing vs an alternative for Android users, hopefully apple works something out"
I also don't care to watch football on a tiny mobile screen so this doesn't apply to me at all. And by the time it does, i'm guessing a solution will exist for everybody if it doesn't already.
Yes you can...and it was absolutely horrible for the Mets game a couple weeks ago .. that's what I said in the OP..
No one debates it...it's just bad, as I said in OP
Agreed ..I'm happy to pay whatever they decide to watch the Giants...but want to do so with a product as good as MLB.TV, which apples current offering is not
Watching sports on a phone doesn't interest me even as an iPhone user. I bought a premium TV to watch premium content including sports. My phone is backup when traveling which is seldom and never on Sundays. If you were to tell me that in those rare occasions I can still access the game, albeit in a wonky but legal way, that's really not that big of a deal.
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You don't need an Apple TV device for Apple TV.
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
Apple TV app doesn't exist for android phones. What the hell are you talking about? And it only works with certain browsers, so if you use Brave or something like that, you are shit out of luck.
This is literally from the apple website:
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On a Windows PC (including Microsoft Surface), Chrome OS device, or Android device, you can watch Apple TV+ in the Chrome and Firefox web browsers.
So use a different browser? What does that take, 30 seconds to download for free? Or just buy a Roku and get the app, lol.
By the way, smart TV apps suck in general, you should have a 3rd party device anyway.
The answer shouldn't be use a different browser. The answer should be that Apple shouldn't be passive aggressively trying to get people on to apple phones by creating a different user experience based on which device you choose to buy. That's their MO though, they try to kneecap the competition by claiming privacy or other issues.
At the end of the day, I think Apple will offer an Android app if they win the rights, but it's not exactly unfound paranoia that they won't because there is plenty of precedence of them prioritizing their devices at the expense of others.
I'm all set-up at home with devices for Apple TV, that is not the issue. I am not using any TV apps because smart TV apps suck. I have a chromecast with google TV, a third party device. It's strictly an android mobile issue for people on the go.
I'll reassess once this all goes down and can experience it for myself.
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You don't need an Apple TV device for Apple TV.
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
This is incorrect. If you have a smart tv that is older than 3 years, you may not be able to download apple TV. My sony is from 2017 and does not support apple tv. The apple tv website said tvs older than 3 years may not support them
Buy a roku for $30.
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I'll reserve judgement on a DVR option until, you know, we actually know the details? And a roku is $20, should be an afterthought after paying what sunday ticket costs every year.
What company solves all issues for all people? If you aren't willing to be a tad flexible you are going to be disappointed with most purchases in life.
You think Apple will give us Sunday Ticket for free? No, we still have to pay for it and wont get any discounts that Directv has given many of us through the years. And now many of us will have to purchase more equipment
So we have to be flexible by having less options to see the game. We have to be flexible by not being able to DVR the games. What happened to your "now we will be in 2022" argument?
You're pulling your own pants down.
You won't have to buy any new equipment unless you're some sort of borderline luddite who hasn't upgraded their home theater in a decade.
So yeah if you have a Chromecast with Google TV you are ok, but as I mentioned before Apple does not seem to have any interest in playing nice with Android.
I would imagine that they'll release something for Android but it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't for years and if they did, it would be a second rate experience on Android phones.
You don't have to watch on your phone. Full stop.
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I'll reserve judgement on a DVR option until, you know, we actually know the details? And a roku is $20, should be an afterthought after paying what sunday ticket costs every year.
What company solves all issues for all people? If you aren't willing to be a tad flexible you are going to be disappointed with most purchases in life.
You think Apple will give us Sunday Ticket for free? No, we still have to pay for it and wont get any discounts that Directv has given many of us through the years. And now many of us will have to purchase more equipment
So we have to be flexible by having less options to see the game. We have to be flexible by not being able to DVR the games. What happened to your "now we will be in 2022" argument?
Everybody complaining about the supposed lack of a DVR obviously doesn’t understand how streaming on sports typically is made available.
As anyone who has ESPN+, fuboTV, Paramount Plus, YouTubeTV, or the streaming versions of NBA League Pass, NHL Center Ice, or Extra Innings/MLB.tv already knows, these services all have the ability to start from beginning even mid-game, have all DVR functionality, archived games etc.
In many ways it is in fact better than a DVR because you don’t even need to set it or do anything and it’s there.
Yes.. but anyone familiar with Apple's foray into live sports with MLB Friday games this year will tell you that they have a long way to go to improve their offering which was essentially the equivalent of an over the air live broadcast...
If they improve it, and find a way to get an app onto the 130 million Android phones in the US, then there will indeed be no issue...
And yes it will already be better than DTV no matter what and yes it will be worth paying for... no doubt.
But Amazon or Google would have been more attractive landing spots IMO...
BIG difference is that there were only a couple of weeks between announcement of Friday Night MLB package and the first streaming broadcast (so hiccups not surprising), but there will be more than a year and a half until the first ATV+ Sunday Ticket broadcast. I'd be stunned if there are anything remotely like those problems when the NFL on Apple kicks off . . .
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Full stop.
So yeah if you have a Chromecast with Google TV you are ok, but as I mentioned before Apple does not seem to have any interest in playing nice with Android.
I would imagine that they'll release something for Android but it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't for years and if they did, it would be a second rate experience on Android phones.
You don't have to watch on your phone. Full stop.
Thanks for telling me how I should consume sports content. Full dickhead. Go back to telling android users that an app for them exists when it doesn't.
Apple is a ruthless tech behemoth that has succeeded in the competitive landscape by mastering one thing in particular. They dumb down their product lines and offerings to give the simplest option to the largest number of people. And if you want something outside of the brand offering, or have more complicated needs, it's tough shit, they don't give a fuck about that kind of consumer. Their products are not generally feature-rich and customizable.
The off-brand consumer is considered niche and unimportant.
So, for example, if they decide most people want to watch one or two out of market teams, rather than all of the games, they will focus on providing that option, and might not retain (or keep affordable) the option to scan all the games.
I am someone who likes to surf all the games every Sunday. It is highly likely that there are not a lot of people who want the same thing, and for Apple, they may charge for every game, and that could bludgeon consumers like me. And when we say, but what about us, how can we watch a bit every game. live, affordably, we'll get back the classic Apple and Apple fanboy response, "Why would you want to do that?"
Well that's how I want to enjoy NFL Sundays. And Direct TVs web based product has worked pretty flawlessly in that manner for almost 20 years for me. If Apple fucks that up for me, I'll be pretty bitter.
The current option is broken beyond belief so whatever Apple does with it will be an immediate improvement for a boatload of people. Some people won’t like but, but more people don’t like the way it is now.
The last 20 years has been fucking great. I watched every game for $300 bucks. And the interface for the web based folks worked well. What was the disaster?
The disaster will be when Apple comes in and kills the thing that was great about Sunday Ticket. So they can make more money. And we can have fewer options with a better interface.
Apple is a ruthless tech behemoth that has succeeded in the competitive landscape by mastering one thing in particular. They dumb down their product lines and offerings to give the simplest option to the largest number of people. And if you want something outside of the brand offering, or have more complicated needs, it's tough shit, they don't give a fuck about that kind of consumer. Their products are not generally feature-rich and customizable.
The off-brand consumer is considered niche and unimportant.
So, for example, if they decide most people want to watch one or two out of market teams, rather than all of the games, they will focus on providing that option, and might not retain (or keep affordable) the option to scan all the games.
I am someone who likes to surf all the games every Sunday. It is highly likely that there are not a lot of people who want the same thing, and for Apple, they may charge for every game, and that could bludgeon consumers like me. And when we say, but what about us, how can we watch a bit every game. live, affordably, we'll get back the classic Apple and Apple fanboy response, "Why would you want to do that?"
Well that's how I want to enjoy NFL Sundays. And Direct TVs web based product has worked pretty flawlessly in that manner for almost 20 years for me. If Apple fucks that up for me, I'll be pretty bitter.
Remember that the NFL has leverage here also, and there is absolutely zero chance that anything less than all of the out of market games every Sunday, and there will absolutely be that option available, with likely a single-team season option and weekly a la carte option as well.
There is no way that the league is agreeing to any contractual terms that would result in a contraction of the number of games currently available -- only way that happens is if they move more games to weeknights, and those wouldn't be on DTV anyway (and won't happen for years if at all given new TV contracts).
And there is no way that the league is permitting any TV or streaming partner to jack up prices substantially beyond the neighborhood that has been established historically by Sunday Ticket/DTV over the years. The blowback just wouldn't be worth it to the league, as there are numerous other parties who could have won the deal.
Moreover, the business model that you ascribe to Apple in the device/software/OS space -- where it is one of just a handful of dominant players -- is inapposite to the NFL rights space, where there are multiple rights holders, including Amazon, that the NFL dictates production/distrbution terms to and whom the league has to treat relatively equally,
I think your concerns are way overblown.
The last 20 years has been fucking great. I watched every game for $300 bucks. And the interface for the web based folks worked well. What was the disaster?
The disaster will be when Apple comes in and kills the thing that was great about Sunday Ticket. So they can make more money. And we can have fewer options with a better interface.
What in life has been a constant for 20 years? Your expectation is unrealistic. And moving into 4K and who knows what else they have planned, that should also be included at your current rate?
This isn’t an Apple issue. Your currently taking advantage of a bad business model that wasn’t going to last forever.
“Hey Siri, put the Papa and Banks audio feed on the Giants game”. This is gonna be great!
I don't know what is right or wrong or what is going to happen in the future. I am just telling you what Apple's business model is - correctly. And if they continue on the same trajectory, it won't be good for people who want to scan all the games.
Regis - I will be totally thrilled to be wrong.
UConn - Apple can choose to make a wider offering affordable. It's BS to say they can't do something DirectTV can do. Don't make excuses for their greed.
It’s not about giving into or excusing greed, it’s about recognizing reality. What else in life have you paid the same rate for for 20 years? Personally I can’t think of anything. And I expect the experience and quality to be better so why wouldn’t that be something that would cost more?
I don’t get this mentality that the consumer is somehow owed a break. You aren’t entitled to the best content at the lowest rate. And this could all be much to do about nothing anyway. Apple TV+ is currently $5 per month, which is slightly above free. I don’t know how they will price it in but it’s currently extremely affordable. They want more users so I anticipate the price being favorable.
It’s not about giving into or excusing greed, it’s about recognizing reality. What else in life have you paid the same rate for for 20 years? Personally I can’t think of anything. And I expect the experience and quality to be better so why wouldn’t that be something that would cost more?
I don’t get this mentality that the consumer is somehow owed a break. You aren’t entitled to the best content at the lowest rate. And this could all be much to do about nothing anyway. Apple TV+ is currently $5 per month, which is slightly above free. I don’t know how they will price it in but it’s currently extremely affordable. They want more users so I anticipate the price being favorable.
You keep making excuses. Look, I'm not an unreasonable man. I get there is inflation, etc. I think it's fair to pay a little bit more. But I think you are fuzzy on market economics. I am saying that Apple, a ruthless profit seeker, won't offer the same product. They will offer their version of the product tailored to the simplest, wide-ranging consumer. That will be priced, based on what? Answer, what people will pay. So that will be a higher price point from the jump. Maybe it's $100 for your favorite team. And would you get the whole league for $500, or $700? At some point it's unaffordable. If they even offer that option at all. After all, how many people scan more than a couple of games a week. I realize I'm in the minority. But I bet there are a lot of fantasy players just like me.
Anyway, a little more, sure. I get that. Double or triple? That would be bogus and another example of Apple's greed and failure to appreciate niche users.
It’s also bars, restaurants, and hotels that get it. And they pay a commercial rate based on their size of patrons. That’s where the real money is made for the NFL.
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Full stop.
So yeah if you have a Chromecast with Google TV you are ok, but as I mentioned before Apple does not seem to have any interest in playing nice with Android.
I would imagine that they'll release something for Android but it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't for years and if they did, it would be a second rate experience on Android phones.
You don't have to watch on your phone. Full stop.
Thanks for telling me how I should consume sports content. Full dickhead. Go back to telling android users that an app for them exists when it doesn't.
What percentage of people do you think watch NFL games primarily on their phones? It's minuscule, I'm certain. The vast majority of people watch games on a TV. And for the majority of them, the primary path to getting Sunday Ticket was via DTV.
Now, with any streaming device, Sunday Ticket will be available, and may come with other improvements (like single-team or a la carte games).
Sorry that you might have to use a mobile browser to continue your already inconvenient viewing experience, although I suspect you probably watch on your TV anyway and you're bitching just to bitch. For all you know, the Sunday Ticket app itself will still be available for non-iOS devices. But feel free to scream at the sky because you're worried about one very specific use case that will impact very few people compared to the improvement that this potentially represents for most others.
So when gatorade is shown he is wrong, instead of saying "oops, my mistake" he says "you can buy a roku"
And a roku still doesnt change the DVR problem with streaming. Directv was a godsend to those of us living outside our home team market. The streaming services may have some form of DVR but they dont offer out of market games. Its the reason that "cutting the cord" never worked for the many of us living outside our home team market
Amazon would raise the price. So would Google/YouTube. What planet are you living on where only Apple is “greedy”? Just call it like it is, your threaten to cancel routine is likely no more. You had to see that coming.
It’s also bars, restaurants, and hotels that get it. And they pay a commercial rate based on their size of patrons. That’s where the real money is made for the NFL.
Thanks - I had no idea this was the case. Always love learning something new!
So when gatorade is shown he is wrong, instead of saying "oops, my mistake" he says "you can buy a roku"
And a roku still doesnt change the DVR problem with streaming. Directv was a godsend to those of us living outside our home team market. The streaming services may have some form of DVR but they dont offer out of market games. Its the reason that "cutting the cord" never worked for the many of us living outside our home team market
There is a sizable number of people who want to watch all the games, although you can still only watch one game in real time per timeslot unless you're flipping back and forth - and if you're doing that, you might as well just watch Redzone. There's also a sizable number of people (maybe not the majority, but a not insignificant amount) who have expressed desire for a single-team option for out-of-market fans. My understanding is that the full-league option would still exist and a stepped-down single-team option would be added.
As for the DVR, if it's anything like any other streaming app (including the existing Sunday Ticket app), replays of each game are available in condensed commercial-free versions every week. I would imagine that some might consider that an upgrade over using a DVR and manually skipping through commercials.
And the reality is that most people will watch the NFL on a television, not a mobile device, particularly those who are likely to pay for Sunday Ticket in the first place. And for those, a streaming device like a Roku will provide access to Apple TV without any Apple hardware being necessary.
I'm perfectly capable of a mea culpa when it's appropriate, but I still haven't seen anything on this thread that isn't just Android fanboys being sad that they might have to fork over some money to Tim Cook.
In certain markets, and for certain users, such as New York City, DirectTV has offered a web based product that bypasses the satellite. I have been using that for almost 20 years. It has worked very well, so for folks bashing it as unworkable or poor, I don't get it because for me it has been sensational.
The interface isn't beautiful but it has been mostly reliable and as I said, it offers the ability to configure one, two, three or four *game monitors* within the one big screen you are watching Sunday Ticket on. You can put any of the games, not blacked out in your area, into any screen and you can activate Red Zone and a fantasy show as well. And to one of your points that, we might as well watch Red Zone, no, this is much friendlier, better and more fun. If I want to watch half of a Ravens game, then flip between three other games, while having them all up, the next quarter, I can do it.
It also lets you easily move screens around the open monitors and flip between game audio.
It really works fabulously.
I mainly watch on a large computer monitor (and have the Giants on another TV thru cable) but I can also go HDMI out to a regular TV if I choose to.
Furthermore, while I think it is open mainly to certain markets (like NYC) and certain individuals (military, students), I think it is easy enough to game the system to qualify for an account. I am guessing on that last point as I have qualified as a Manhattan resident.
I think you'll be disappointed if you are expecting the price to be commensurate with the past price levels. As said above, the price was going to go up no matter who won. And it will be worth it.
Excited that Apple won and what they will do with it.
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We just don't want to get gouged for fewer options, which has been Apple's brand for three decades. I'll happily pay Apple if the product and options are commensurate to their present levels.
I think you'll be disappointed if you are expecting the price to be commensurate with the past price levels. As said above, the price was going to go up no matter who won. And it will be worth it.
Excited that Apple won and what they will do with it.
If Apple can't make a competitively priced product with similar options to what DirectTV was able to do, and I am not saying they can't or won't, I'm just worried about it, then fuck them. It is not honest to say Apple can't make a product as useful and feature-rich as DirectTV. Of course they can. They're one of the 10 best tech companies in the world. They should be able to run circles around a DirectTV offering while still making niche users happy.
Yes it does.
The only games it will black out are local games and nationally televised games in your market. So Thursday night, Monday night, Sunday night and the late afternoon game of the week on Sunday are mostly blacked out.
And you can have eyes on up to 4 to 8 games at once.
the Sunday late afternoon game of the week is not blacked out unless its in your market, just like the early games
Yes, it will suck to have to pay full price. But my concern is about DVR capability, including going backward and forward to see plays again while you are watching
the Sunday late afternoon game of the week is not blacked out unless its in your market, just like the early games
Yes, it will suck to have to pay full price. But my concern is about DVR capability, including going backward and forward to see plays again while you are watching
the late Sunday game is most certainly blacked out if it's on one of the networks in your market. I've been a Sunday Ticket subscriber for almost 20 years.
Not telling you what to do but they are extremely affordable now. And I know you hate everything new but I'd be shocked if you didn't enjoy sports more in 4k over HD. And for all we know there may not even be a price difference to get it (other than your TV purchase).
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Gatorade is wrong again - Directv has a game mix channel for each sport that shows up to 8 games at once, so you can watch more than one game in each time slot, plenty more than one. And who cares about an app archiving a game to watch some other time. I want to be able to DVR it and watch it when I get home from the beginning, even if its in the 2nd quarter. You know, like its 2022 and not the 1980s with a VCR. Not sure why you keep giving opinions on something you seem to know very little about. Oh wait, you do that for damn near EVERY topic here
the Sunday late afternoon game of the week is not blacked out unless its in your market, just like the early games
Yes, it will suck to have to pay full price. But my concern is about DVR capability, including going backward and forward to see plays again while you are watching
the late Sunday game is most certainly blacked out if it's on one of the networks in your market. I've been a Sunday Ticket subscriber for almost 20 years.
I SAID UNLESS ITS IN YOUR MARKET
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Gatorade is wrong again - Directv has a game mix channel for each sport that shows up to 8 games at once, so you can watch more than one game in each time slot, plenty more than one. And who cares about an app archiving a game to watch some other time. I want to be able to DVR it and watch it when I get home from the beginning, even if its in the 2nd quarter. You know, like its 2022 and not the 1980s with a VCR. Not sure why you keep giving opinions on something you seem to know very little about. Oh wait, you do that for damn near EVERY topic here
the Sunday late afternoon game of the week is not blacked out unless its in your market, just like the early games
Yes, it will suck to have to pay full price. But my concern is about DVR capability, including going backward and forward to see plays again while you are watching
the late Sunday game is most certainly blacked out if it's on one of the networks in your market. I've been a Sunday Ticket subscriber for almost 20 years.
I SAID UNLESS ITS IN YOUR MARKET
you don't have to shout. it seemed like you were correcting my comment and your reply could be interpreted two ways (ie, the game was played in your market Giants/Jets, or the game was distributed in your market on a network.)
Im not watching games on my computer, Im watching on my TV. And, again, I want to walk in during the 2nd quarter and start watching - not wait till the game is over
Also, only aficionados care about 4K. The fact is the digital picture on Directv HD is fantastic. You sound like my audiophile friend who will nitpick every sound when to the rest of us it sounds great
the Sunday late afternoon game of the week is not blacked out unless its in your market, just like the early games
Yes, it will suck to have to pay full price. But my concern is about DVR capability, including going backward and forward to see plays again while you are watching
What makes you think any of the current ST functionality will go away? All I said is that there is some portion of the customer base that only wants a single team, and it would be an enhancement to the offering for those customers to get only that which they want.
As for rewinding, Apple TV handles that just fine, St. Albans.
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Gatorade is wrong again - Directv has a game mix channel for each sport that shows up to 8 games at once, so you can watch more than one game in each time slot, plenty more than one. And who cares about an app archiving a game to watch some other time. I want to be able to DVR it and watch it when I get home from the beginning, even if its in the 2nd quarter. You know, like its 2022 and not the 1980s with a VCR. Not sure why you keep giving opinions on something you seem to know very little about. Oh wait, you do that for damn near EVERY topic here
the Sunday late afternoon game of the week is not blacked out unless its in your market, just like the early games
Yes, it will suck to have to pay full price. But my concern is about DVR capability, including going backward and forward to see plays again while you are watching
the late Sunday game is most certainly blacked out if it's on one of the networks in your market. I've been a Sunday Ticket subscriber for almost 20 years.
I SAID UNLESS ITS IN YOUR MARKET
When you're done with your tantrum, you can actually inform yourself.
Or you can continue to claim that I'm the one who's uninformed, although every regular here who has been here before this decade (unlike you) will tell you that, right or wrong, I've always provided backup for my thoughts.
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you can pause, rewind and fast forward (to catch up) live games, what's the worry here? And they also archive most games after they are over (blackout still applies I think which is standard) which is cloud stored games (cloud DVR). Its a weird concern, cloud DVR has existed for years.
Im not watching games on my computer, Im watching on my TV. And, again, I want to walk in during the 2nd quarter and start watching - not wait till the game is over
Also, only aficionados care about 4K. The fact is the digital picture on Directv HD is fantastic. You sound like my audiophile friend who will nitpick every sound when to the rest of us it sounds great
What does that have to do with anything? I'm on my phone right now and rewinding yesterday's Yankee game. Works just like DVR should work, so what am I missing here? I did it yesterday for one of the live games as well, backed up to a previous inning to see a HR. It works the same on my phone as it does on my TV.
You are going so far out of your way to bring up problems that don't exist, its pretty ridiculous. So i'm the asshole for wanting 4k? I'd never begrudge someone for thinking better sound is a better experience even though I personally don't need that for sports (love it for movies). But picture quality? Makes a world of difference. Glad you are satisfied with HD, the rest of the world likes 4k.
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you can pause, rewind and fast forward (to catch up) live games, what's the worry here? And they also archive most games after they are over (blackout still applies I think which is standard) which is cloud stored games (cloud DVR). Its a weird concern, cloud DVR has existed for years.
Im not watching games on my computer, Im watching on my TV. And, again, I want to walk in during the 2nd quarter and start watching - not wait till the game is over
Also, only aficionados care about 4K. The fact is the digital picture on Directv HD is fantastic. You sound like my audiophile friend who will nitpick every sound when to the rest of us it sounds great
You'll most likely be able to do exactly that. My understanding is that there will be a "watch live" button and a "watch from start" button. And you'll have full REV/FF functionality.
But keep crying.
1080p is a fantastic display format. This is undeniable. Personally I can watch football games in 1080p and be very happy and it is true for most people. There was a legitimate debate for many years about whether the human eye could detect the difference between 4K and 2K (2K is a little more rez than 1080p, but not much more). The conventional wisdom now is that, yes, the human eye can detect some difference depending on several factors, including but not limited to, size of the screen, distance from the screen, and the biology of the viewer's eye (eyesight). I am going to assume you are a layperson, please correct me if I am wrong. But the difference you think you are seeing between 1080p and 4K may not be the difference you think you are seeing. Could be a better display? Or other factors. Or maybe you have a 65 inch TV at the right distance and you have excellent eyesight. But it could also be psychological.
I routinely, over the last decade, worked with formats in excess of 4K. Most of the industry has. 5K, 6K and 8K. These are formats TV, video and film professionals have to consider and use, for production and for editing. The main reason to use these formats is it allows you to punch in on these resolutions and not lose quality. It is true that generally we are finishing or outputting to 4K. There is also a need to master and output to higher formats when you do effects compositing. I don't know a whole lot about that end of the industry. I remember having to composite to 2K on a project about 20 years ago, which was a standard ILM settled on to do effects compositing for Star Wars movies.
I admit, working with the higher resolutions - 5K, 6K, 8K.. I often think I can tell the difference. I'd bet on it. But 1080p still looks excellent.
Long story short, it is a little strange that one would not buy a football product until it arrived in 4K. I get that you have a 4K TV and you want to watch it on your native resolution, but going from 1080p to 4K adds very little benefit when it comes to just watching games, and it isn't a big enough difference to the human eye to sacrifice basic options for, like the ability to have access to every game. I will say though that 4K does have one benefit over 1080p, as I mentioned before. You can blow up or zoom into shots almost losslessly. There might be a way to implement that where 4K is a definite benefit. But otherwise, no, bumping up to 4K sounds better than it really is to most viewers. 1080p looks great. It still looks great. And most people under most conditions, can't really see a big difference between 4K and 1080p. And I bet if I put you in a lab you would have a hard time telling the difference, most times.
1080p is a fantastic display format. This is undeniable. Personally I can watch football games in 1080p and be very happy and it is true for most people. There was a legitimate debate for many years about whether the human eye could detect the difference between 4K and 2K (2K is a little more rez than 1080p, but not much more). The conventional wisdom now is that, yes, the human eye can detect some difference depending on several factors, including but not limited to, size of the screen, distance from the screen, and the biology of the viewer's eye (eyesight). I am going to assume you are a layperson, please correct me if I am wrong. But the difference you think you are seeing between 1080p and 4K may not be the difference you think you are seeing. Could be a better display? Or other factors. Or maybe you have a 65 inch TV at the right distance and you have excellent eyesight. But it could also be psychological.
I routinely, over the last decade, worked with formats in excess of 4K. Most of the industry has. 5K, 6K and 8K. These are formats TV, video and film professionals have to consider and use, for production and for editing. The main reason to use these formats is it allows you to punch in on these resolutions and not lose quality. It is true that generally we are finishing or outputting to 4K. There is also a need to master and output to higher formats when you do effects compositing. I don't know a whole lot about that end of the industry. I remember having to composite to 2K on a project about 20 years ago, which was a standard ILM settled on to do effects compositing for Star Wars movies.
I admit, working with the higher resolutions - 5K, 6K, 8K.. I often think I can tell the difference. I'd bet on it. But 1080p still looks excellent.
Long story short, it is a little strange that one would not buy a football product until it arrived in 4K. I get that you have a 4K TV and you want to watch it on your native resolution, but going from 1080p to 4K adds very little benefit when it comes to just watching games, and it isn't a big enough difference to the human eye to sacrifice basic options for, like the ability to have access to every game. I will say though that 4K does have one benefit over 1080p, as I mentioned before. You can blow up or zoom into shots almost losslessly. There might be a way to implement that where 4K is a definite benefit. But otherwise, no, bumping up to 4K sounds better than it really is to most viewers. 1080p looks great. It still looks great. And most people under most conditions, can't really see a big difference between 4K and 1080p. And I bet if I put you in a lab you would have a hard time telling the difference, most times.
From a consumer perspective, I can only tell the difference between 4K and 1080P on movies. For sports - since it's a live feed, there's additional noise because of bandwidth latency that can't actually support the signal, so it essentially becomes a 1080P signal more often than not.
I pay extra for 4k whenever I can because its a small charge for a much better experience. Netflix, for example, offers plans with and without it. So does Youtube TV. No idea what Apple will do but there could be two options. If not, I can't imagine the extra charge to 4k will make any real difference to your wallet.
It really does tie the room together...
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Ok I want to make clear that I have worked in the film/TV industry for 35+ years, mainly in the creative end but I have a lot of technical knowledge from my years as a Producer and an Editor.
1080p is a fantastic display format. This is undeniable. Personally I can watch football games in 1080p and be very happy and it is true for most people. There was a legitimate debate for many years about whether the human eye could detect the difference between 4K and 2K (2K is a little more rez than 1080p, but not much more). The conventional wisdom now is that, yes, the human eye can detect some difference depending on several factors, including but not limited to, size of the screen, distance from the screen, and the biology of the viewer's eye (eyesight). I am going to assume you are a layperson, please correct me if I am wrong. But the difference you think you are seeing between 1080p and 4K may not be the difference you think you are seeing. Could be a better display? Or other factors. Or maybe you have a 65 inch TV at the right distance and you have excellent eyesight. But it could also be psychological.
I routinely, over the last decade, worked with formats in excess of 4K. Most of the industry has. 5K, 6K and 8K. These are formats TV, video and film professionals have to consider and use, for production and for editing. The main reason to use these formats is it allows you to punch in on these resolutions and not lose quality. It is true that generally we are finishing or outputting to 4K. There is also a need to master and output to higher formats when you do effects compositing. I don't know a whole lot about that end of the industry. I remember having to composite to 2K on a project about 20 years ago, which was a standard ILM settled on to do effects compositing for Star Wars movies.
I admit, working with the higher resolutions - 5K, 6K, 8K.. I often think I can tell the difference. I'd bet on it. But 1080p still looks excellent.
Long story short, it is a little strange that one would not buy a football product until it arrived in 4K. I get that you have a 4K TV and you want to watch it on your native resolution, but going from 1080p to 4K adds very little benefit when it comes to just watching games, and it isn't a big enough difference to the human eye to sacrifice basic options for, like the ability to have access to every game. I will say though that 4K does have one benefit over 1080p, as I mentioned before. You can blow up or zoom into shots almost losslessly. There might be a way to implement that where 4K is a definite benefit. But otherwise, no, bumping up to 4K sounds better than it really is to most viewers. 1080p looks great. It still looks great. And most people under most conditions, can't really see a big difference between 4K and 1080p. And I bet if I put you in a lab you would have a hard time telling the difference, most times.
From a consumer perspective, I can only tell the difference between 4K and 1080P on movies. For sports - since it's a live feed, there's additional noise because of bandwidth latency that can't actually support the signal, so it essentially becomes a 1080P signal more often than not.
This is a great point that I forgot to hit on. There is all kinds of compression added to these signals. Wasn't there a lot of debate about Netflix compressing their 4K streams? They say it looked the same, but I am sure this was never tested properly. But really why would they. As I said before most people can't really tell much of a difference. If you were going to test this you would have to play from a local 4k source - a 4k player.
And let's not forget that for a long time all sports was broadcast in 720. And it can be hard to tell the difference between 720 and 1080 on most displays.
For movies, I have often watched 480p and 576p compressions of 1080p sources and while I haven't really tested whether I can tell the difference, they look really good. And 480p/576p is basically standard def.
Too much is made of resolution, unless we are talking about a special application that involves zooming into the picture.
I pay extra for 4k whenever I can because its a small charge for a much better experience. Netflix, for example, offers plans with and without it. So does Youtube TV. No idea what Apple will do but there could be two options. If not, I can't imagine the extra charge to 4k will make any real difference to your wallet.
UConn, I'm with you on this.
I do enjoy 4K content. I just only see the difference on programmed content vs. live sports content. The biggest win for me, with regard to 4K content, is our backyard projector - the picture is more prone to noise, and the 4K feed makes it feel like we're in an outdoor movie theatre. But again, that's mostly programmed content that we're watching out there when we put on a movie and get the firepit going.
Other than that, that picture (especially those colors!) speaks to me in soothing, reassuring words.
If it's upscaled to 4k, then it's not the resolution that is making it look better to you, it is the display. And if there is any kind of artifacting or juttering (as you call it) that is not a property of resolution. That is more normally a property of frame rate and/or interlacing.
Other than that, that picture (especially those colors!) speaks to me in soothing, reassuring words.
I'm picturing those RGB bulbs and expecting my grandmother to bring me scraps of prosciutto while she laid out an antipasto platter.
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We just don't want to get gouged for fewer options, which has been Apple's brand for three decades. I'll happily pay Apple if the product and options are commensurate to their present levels.
I think you'll be disappointed if you are expecting the price to be commensurate with the past price levels. As said above, the price was going to go up no matter who won. And it will be worth it.
Excited that Apple won and what they will do with it.
If Apple can't make a competitively priced product with similar options to what DirectTV was able to do, and I am not saying they can't or won't, I'm just worried about it, then fuck them. It is not honest to say Apple can't make a product as useful and feature-rich as DirectTV. Of course they can. They're one of the 10 best tech companies in the world. They should be able to run circles around a DirectTV offering while still making niche users happy.
I think Apple will most definitely provide a product just as feature rich (if not more) than DirecTV. I think where we part ways, is the idea I think Sunday Ticket was a loss leader for DirecTV. Apple won't do that, and nor should they.
This is coming from a long time DirecTV subscriber that often called year after year and got the service for free. I just can't stand them anymore (for various reasons, mainly because they try and screw you on your bill all the time). I'm ready to move on and am happy to start paying for NFL service (even if more than $300) if it means no more DirecTV.
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but does the Sunday Ticket enable you to every NFL game outside your home market?
The only games it will black out are local games and nationally televised games in your market. So Thursday night, Monday night, Sunday night and the late afternoon game of the week on Sunday are mostly blacked out.
And you can have eyes on up to 4 to 8 games at once.
Thanks.
I have a 4K TV as well as a few 1080p sets. And I have two 5K (I think or 6K) monitors, as well as several 1080p monitors. I sample it all.
Whenever I go shopping for a set, I am always amazed how the picture from TVs with the same rez looks completely different from one set to the next. That's a big factor, when we're comparing the subtle difference between 1080p and 4k. The internal electronics on televisions and color processing plays a big role in how we perceive the picture. This last bit is just me commenting on my experience as a consumer.
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We just don't want to get gouged for fewer options, which has been Apple's brand for three decades. I'll happily pay Apple if the product and options are commensurate to their present levels.
I think you'll be disappointed if you are expecting the price to be commensurate with the past price levels. As said above, the price was going to go up no matter who won. And it will be worth it.
Excited that Apple won and what they will do with it.
If Apple can't make a competitively priced product with similar options to what DirectTV was able to do, and I am not saying they can't or won't, I'm just worried about it, then fuck them. It is not honest to say Apple can't make a product as useful and feature-rich as DirectTV. Of course they can. They're one of the 10 best tech companies in the world. They should be able to run circles around a DirectTV offering while still making niche users happy.
I think Apple will most definitely provide a product just as feature rich (if not more) than DirecTV. I think where we part ways, is the idea I think Sunday Ticket was a loss leader for DirecTV. Apple won't do that, and nor should they.
This is coming from a long time DirecTV subscriber that often called year after year and got the service for free. I just can't stand them anymore (for various reasons, mainly because they try and screw you on your bill all the time). I'm ready to move on and am happy to start paying for NFL service (even if more than $300) if it means no more DirecTV.
This post actually illustrates something that I hadn't considered before. It's not about Apple vs. Android. It's that these bottom feeders are going to have to actually pay for their TV service now.
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We just don't want to get gouged for fewer options, which has been Apple's brand for three decades. I'll happily pay Apple if the product and options are commensurate to their present levels.
I think you'll be disappointed if you are expecting the price to be commensurate with the past price levels. As said above, the price was going to go up no matter who won. And it will be worth it.
Excited that Apple won and what they will do with it.
If Apple can't make a competitively priced product with similar options to what DirectTV was able to do, and I am not saying they can't or won't, I'm just worried about it, then fuck them. It is not honest to say Apple can't make a product as useful and feature-rich as DirectTV. Of course they can. They're one of the 10 best tech companies in the world. They should be able to run circles around a DirectTV offering while still making niche users happy.
I think Apple will most definitely provide a product just as feature rich (if not more) than DirecTV. I think where we part ways, is the idea I think Sunday Ticket was a loss leader for DirecTV. Apple won't do that, and nor should they.
This is coming from a long time DirecTV subscriber that often called year after year and got the service for free. I just can't stand them anymore (for various reasons, mainly because they try and screw you on your bill all the time). I'm ready to move on and am happy to start paying for NFL service (even if more than $300) if it means no more DirecTV.
This post actually illustrates something that I hadn't considered before. It's not about Apple vs. Android. It's that these bottom feeders are going to have to actually pay for their TV service now.
Bingo!
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You can’t play upscaled 4K content on a non 4K display and native 4K is flat out better than that and it’s what I like. Enjoy your HD, I’ll enjoy 4K when I can get it and looking forward to more sporting options in 4k.
I have a 4K TV as well as a few 1080p sets. And I have two 5K (I think or 6K) monitors, as well as several 1080p monitors. I sample it all.
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In comment 15672311 UConn4523 said:
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you can pause, rewind and fast forward (to catch up) live games, what's the worry here? And they also archive most games after they are over (blackout still applies I think which is standard) which is cloud stored games (cloud DVR). Its a weird concern, cloud DVR has existed for years.
Im not watching games on my computer, Im watching on my TV. And, again, I want to walk in during the 2nd quarter and start watching - not wait till the game is over
Also, only aficionados care about 4K. The fact is the digital picture on Directv HD is fantastic. You sound like my audiophile friend who will nitpick every sound when to the rest of us it sounds great
You'll most likely be able to do exactly that. My understanding is that there will be a "watch live" button and a "watch from start" button. And you'll have full REV/FF functionality.
But keep crying.
"your understanding"? From what source is this "understanding"?
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In comment 15672323 Snablats said:
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In comment 15672311 UConn4523 said:
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you can pause, rewind and fast forward (to catch up) live games, what's the worry here? And they also archive most games after they are over (blackout still applies I think which is standard) which is cloud stored games (cloud DVR). Its a weird concern, cloud DVR has existed for years.
Im not watching games on my computer, Im watching on my TV. And, again, I want to walk in during the 2nd quarter and start watching - not wait till the game is over
Also, only aficionados care about 4K. The fact is the digital picture on Directv HD is fantastic. You sound like my audiophile friend who will nitpick every sound when to the rest of us it sounds great
You'll most likely be able to do exactly that. My understanding is that there will be a "watch live" button and a "watch from start" button. And you'll have full REV/FF functionality.
But keep crying.
"your understanding"? From what source is this "understanding"?
You've only been here for a little while (under this handle, anyway), so I don't blame you for questioning my bona fides. But between the shield and the apple, strictly in terms of biz dev, I'm not disconnected on either side.
You know that your registration date is in your profile, right?
Those were a good 8 years. Let's go back to that.