It took everything they had to beat us by a goal on Sunday. I never expected to sweep them; we just need one of these two and we'll get it tonight.
Strome should be good to go. Fingers crossed on Barc, but Gallant said he thinks they'll feel good about that today and it's hard to see much of anything keeping him off the ice at this point as long as everything is structurally sound.
Alot of bonehead hockey on Saturday after they got the lead, need to be smart tonight.
Rangers need to be harder on the forecheck and finish their checks which they did not do Sunday afternoon. Keep giving the kid line minutes because they continuously have shown to outwork whoever they are matched up with while they are on the attack.
Will be interested to see what the result is of Gallant saying they would address how Kucherov hit Igor in the back of the knee after the whistle the other day.
say they would talk to the "supervisor" about the clear approach from TB to get on Igor? Who is the supervisor?
Either way, I expect a rebound from the Rangers and a game more like 1 and 2. It basically took a perfect game from TB to even win a close one, I doubt they are perfect again.
Blueshirt Banter said that the Hockey News Hub Twitter account reported that “Kravtsov did not accept Traktor’s new contract offer. He’s looking to return to the NHL.”
say they would talk to the "supervisor" about the clear approach from TB to get on Igor? Who is the supervisor?
Either way, I expect a rebound from the Rangers and a game more like 1 and 2. It basically took a perfect game from TB to even win a close one, I doubt they are perfect again.
Rangers had them on the ropes. Up 2-0 in games and 2-0 on the scoreboard.
Then they committed a bunch pf penalties to let TB back in the game.
Agreed. I thought the Rangers had 'em at 2-0 with Igor minding the net. How many games did they lose like that this year statistically speaking I wonder?
Rangers had them on the ropes. Up 2-0 in games and 2-0 on the scoreboard.
Then they committed a bunch pf penalties to let TB back in the game.
Agreed. I thought the Rangers had 'em at 2-0 with Igor minding the net. How many games did they lose like that this year statistically speaking I wonder?
Very few. You could probably count it on one hand.
Rangers had them on the ropes. Up 2-0 in games and 2-0 on the scoreboard.
Then they committed a bunch pf penalties to let TB back in the game.
Agreed. I thought the Rangers had 'em at 2-0 with Igor minding the net. How many games did they lose like that this year statistically speaking I wonder?
Very few. You could probably count it on one hand.
I said this a few days ago with the Rangers up 2-0:
Wow, Such Exciting Rangers Hockey! So much fun watching this team, and it's great being up 2-0 against the 2-time reigning Stanely Cup Champions.
But what is the old adage? Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
Tampa Bay is not going quietly into the night. They are talented, fiercely proud and now at home...
say they would talk to the "supervisor" about the clear approach from TB to get on Igor? Who is the supervisor?
Either way, I expect a rebound from the Rangers and a game more like 1 and 2. It basically took a perfect game from TB to even win a close one, I doubt they are perfect again.
Rangers win 4 - 1, go home to close it out.
I guess Kay Whitmore. Link - ( New Window )
Thanks, interesting read, I had no idea the league had someone assigned to monitor the series.
I also agree with Cooper though, what does Gallant expect? They called two penalties on TB for goalie interference and getting in a goalie face is the plan for probably 100% of teams facing a goalie as locked in as Igor is right now.
Never expected to sweep this team. They are too good. Frustrating to not get a W after being up 2-0 but all we need is a split in Tampa and then we are firmly back in the drivers seat.
Lets get a win! LGR!
RE: As an aside, Kravtsov looking to return to the NHL
Blueshirt Banter said that the Hockey News Hub Twitter account reported that “Kravtsov did not accept Traktor’s new contract offer. He’s looking to return to the NHL.”
Start Kid Line II: Kravtsov, Cuylle, and Othmann
I like their chances tonight. Get the split and take control of the
I think Gallant was spot on in his assessment of Game 3, that they didn't play a great game but were in position to steal one. Time to step it up tonight as they have done throughout the playoffs.
RE: I like their chances tonight. Get the split and take control of the
I think Gallant was spot on in his assessment of Game 3, that they didn't play a great game but were in position to steal one. Time to step it up tonight as they have done throughout the playoffs.
Its the same question the Rangers had before G3 - can they play like its an elimination game when it isnt? They did for half the game on Sunday, but in the 3rd period reverted back to the form that lost the previous 5 road playoff games that werent elimination games
but a big reason why IMO the Rangers are in the drivers seat and will not be out of any game, they can be outplayed and still win (like some of the CAR series) and it's also why I don't consider COL too much of a threat. the East winner should cruise in the cup finals. Especially if COL is without Kadri (they are) and Cogliano (likely).
Even with games 3 and 4 in here where Igor struggled, now that he's found his groove it takes a perfect game or close to it from the opponent to win and it's not often the opponent is close to perfect.
always there to raise me back up after being a bit worried. Love the input you added throughout the playoffs. Definitely added perspective to my pessimistic nature these playoffs.
My buddy was in the airport this morning flying to Charlotte
said this morning that Blais playing this series is a long shot.
Better than no shot but unless another injury Blais puts Reaves on the bench IMO. He's the only injured player I'd bench Reaves for because the upgrade is too big from Reaves to Blais.
Goodrow, Blais and Motte is a 4th line that just makes me laugh at how much better it is than half the teams in the league's 3rd lines forget about 4th lines.
RE: I like their chances tonight. Get the split and take control of the
I think Gallant was spot on in his assessment of Game 3, that they didn't play a great game but were in position to steal one. Time to step it up tonight as they have done throughout the playoffs.
It may well be the fact that this Rangers' team is the youngest remaining in SCP and one of the two or three youngest throughout the season: is the huge variations in the level and intensity of their play, not even game to game but within games. It's been a characteristic of each Series so far--team wide and pair and line specific.
RE: RE: I like their chances tonight. Get the split and take control of the
I think Gallant was spot on in his assessment of Game 3, that they didn't play a great game but were in position to steal one. Time to step it up tonight as they have done throughout the playoffs.
It may well be the fact that this Rangers' team is the youngest remaining in SCP and one of the two or three youngest throughout the season: is the huge variations in the level and intensity of their play, not even game to game but within games. It's been a characteristic of each Series so far--team wide and pair and line specific.
the youngest fact is a little bit of red herring IMO. it's so skewed by the kid line who is playing well consistently any mention of it is really just excuse making (just my opinion).
Mika, Fox, Kreider, Panarin and then Copp - are the Rangers top 5 in playoff points. even 6th is Vatrano, but all anyone talks about is the kid line. Igor is 26. None of the names I mentioned are considered young by NHL standards except Fox and the players who are young are playing well. consistently in my opinion.
Which young players intensity do you question who you would classify as young?
but a big reason why IMO the Rangers are in the drivers seat and will not be out of any game, they can be outplayed and still win (like some of the CAR series) [b]and it's also why I don't consider COL too much of a threat. the East winner should cruise in the cup finals.[b] Especially if COL is without Kadri (they are) and Cogliano (likely).
Even with games 3 and 4 in here where Igor struggled, now that he's found his groove it takes a perfect game or close to it from the opponent to win and it's not often the opponent is close to perfect.
I find it fascinating, pj, how opposite our takes can be. We are mostly in agreement on player evaluation (throughout the season), but during the insanely entertaining 3rd period last night (it's so much more pure fun to watch a fantastic back and forth, open ice wave after wave--when it's not the Rangers on the hook), I was saying to myself that Av's talent forwards and d-men are so crazy good, how does the ECF winner match up? What you say is true, Francouz (and the departed Smith) don't measure up well to Igor/Vasiylevsky, it's just challenging to me to minimize the talent differential with the other five guys on the ice.
From your mouth the good lord's ears, but I am simply not in that place. I just have been rolling over in my head how we blew this thing. But, I am a pessimist and not an optimist.
Btw, thanks again for relaying your friend's son positive experience with the Rangers watch party. I took my boys on Sunday and it was so well run. Not overly crowded (you had to make reservations), great view, great location, Graves signed autos for my kids (11 and 7). Also, the crowd was so into it, I was at the garden for Game 3 of Carolina and I thought the crowd, albeit on a smaller scale, was completely hyped up. Wish I could bring them tonight to Bryant Park, buy it is a school night and the game starts too late.
Essex, I'm glad you went and enjoyed it! The Rangers, to their credit, usually do a good job with that stuff.
I'm always nervous about every playoff game, lol. I can't wait for the puck to drop tonight. False bravado should help. The Lightning are still really good.
Sounds like Goodrow will be a go. He and Strome are definitely banged up bad, but all hands on deck.
If this series goes 6 or 7, I bet Blais will become more of a possibility should they feel like they could use him. But yeah, more likely we wouldn't see him until the Final if we were to get there.
but a big reason why IMO the Rangers are in the drivers seat and will not be out of any game, they can be outplayed and still win (like some of the CAR series) [b]and it's also why I don't consider COL too much of a threat. the East winner should cruise in the cup finals.[b] Especially if COL is without Kadri (they are) and Cogliano (likely).
Even with games 3 and 4 in here where Igor struggled, now that he's found his groove it takes a perfect game or close to it from the opponent to win and it's not often the opponent is close to perfect.
I find it fascinating, pj, how opposite our takes can be. We are mostly in agreement on player evaluation (throughout the season), but during the insanely entertaining 3rd period last night (it's so much more pure fun to watch a fantastic back and forth, open ice wave after wave--when it's not the Rangers on the hook), I was saying to myself that Av's talent forwards and d-men are so crazy good, how does the ECF winner match up? What you say is true, Francouz (and the departed Smith) don't measure up well to Igor/Vasiylevsky, it's just challenging to me to minimize the talent differential with the other five guys on the ice.
Last night was a hoot.
Not to get ahead of ourselves but I just think the overall talent gap has to be pretty wide (it's not) to offset the talent differences in goalies.
I don't think COL D is good after Makar/Toews. They had Jack Johnson in their 3rd pair last night. Yes, that Jack Johnson.
health has taken a toll for COL on D too, they lost Sam Girard a top 4 D earlier in the playoffs. 3 players in the top two lines already lost for COL (and most of their sand paper with Kadri, Girard, and Cogliano). Health matters this time of year.
I think Gallant was spot on in his assessment of Game 3, that they didn't play a great game but were in position to steal one. Time to step it up tonight as they have done throughout the playoffs.
It may well be the fact that this Rangers' team is the youngest remaining in SCP and one of the two or three youngest throughout the season: is the huge variations in the level and intensity of their play, not even game to game but within games. It's been a characteristic of each Series so far--team wide and pair and line specific.
the youngest fact is a little bit of red herring IMO. it's so skewed by the kid line who is playing well consistently any mention of it is really just excuse making (just my opinion).
Mika, Fox, Kreider, Panarin and then Copp - are the Rangers top 5 in playoff points. even 6th is Vatrano, but all anyone talks about is the kid line. Igor is 26. None of the names I mentioned are considered young by NHL standards except Fox and the players who are young are playing well. consistently in my opinion.
Which young players intensity do you question who you would classify as young?
Kreider is out to lunch FAR too often after 10 years on the team. For a guy of his physical stature he hangs out on the boards WAY too much.
The Canes and Lightning have struggled to score when the Rangers don’t help them. I hope GG puts Copp on the third forward pair for the PK. He can barely move. Let Goodrow/Motte and Zibby/Kreider kill penalties. Use Copp and Strome only if necessary.
There’s gonna be some pressure on the Kids Line tonight. They need to create chances at 5v5.
but a big reason why IMO the Rangers are in the drivers seat and will not be out of any game, they can be outplayed and still win (like some of the CAR series) [b]and it's also why I don't consider COL too much of a threat. the East winner should cruise in the cup finals.[b] Especially if COL is without Kadri (they are) and Cogliano (likely).
Even with games 3 and 4 in here where Igor struggled, now that he's found his groove it takes a perfect game or close to it from the opponent to win and it's not often the opponent is close to perfect.
I find it fascinating, pj, how opposite our takes can be. We are mostly in agreement on player evaluation (throughout the season), but during the insanely entertaining 3rd period last night (it's so much more pure fun to watch a fantastic back and forth, open ice wave after wave--when it's not the Rangers on the hook), I was saying to myself that Av's talent forwards and d-men are so crazy good, how does the ECF winner match up? What you say is true, Francouz (and the departed Smith) don't measure up well to Igor/Vasiylevsky, it's just challenging to me to minimize the talent differential with the other five guys on the ice.
Last night was a hoot.
Not to get ahead of ourselves but I just think the overall talent gap has to be pretty wide (it's not) to offset the talent differences in goalies.
I don't think COL D is good after Makar/Toews. They had Jack Johnson in their 3rd pair last night. Yes, that Jack Johnson.
health has taken a toll for COL on D too, they lost Sam Girard a top 4 D earlier in the playoffs. 3 players in the top two lines already lost for COL (and most of their sand paper with Kadri, Girard, and Cogliano). Health matters this time of year.
And goalie comparison is absolutely laughable.
i have trouble seeing the rangers beat TBL so all this is moot
It took everything they had to beat us by a goal on Sunday. I never expected to sweep them; we just need one of these two and we'll get it tonight.
Strome should be good to go. Fingers crossed on Barc, but Gallant said he thinks they'll feel good about that today and it's hard to see much of anything keeping him off the ice at this point as long as everything is structurally sound.
LGR.
What hurt was the last 40 seconds GW with no shot at OT..If it had occurred say, with 5 minutes to go, I could have tolerated it much better albeit still quite painful.
We let the game slip away. We had them on the ropes. OTOH, to expect a two-time SC champion to quit would have been asking too much. Yet, we should be 1 game from moving to the finals..
From your mouth the good lord's ears, but I am simply not in that place. I just have been rolling over in my head how we blew this thing. But, I am a pessimist and not an optimist.
I've been in a similar head space. I may be buying into the narrative too much of us letting the champs get off the mat when we had them on the ropes up 2-0 in game 3. Feels like a huge missed opportunity. But seeing the optimism here is reassuring. We're still up 2-1 and it's a great spot to be in all things considered. LGR
Very disappointed that they let Tampa back in game 3, and those are the kinds of losses that sink a lot of teams. But, the Rangers have shown these playoffs that they can shake off painful losses and move on. I expect Igor to be better tonight (thought 1-2 goals he allowed Sunday I think he should've stopped including the game winner), and I expect a faster more aggressive game from the Rangers. I'm going to say they win this one 3-1.
Sweep the leg tonight and finish them off at MSG on Thursday. I did not expect them to sweep TB; I just hope they learned the right lessons from Sunday and won't get sloppy and complacent. No mercy!
From your mouth the good lord's ears, but I am simply not in that place. I just have been rolling over in my head how we blew this thing. But, I am a pessimist and not an optimist.
I've been in a similar head space. I may be buying into the narrative too much of us letting the champs get off the mat when we had them on the ropes up 2-0 in game 3. Feels like a huge missed opportunity. But seeing the optimism here is reassuring. We're still up 2-1 and it's a great spot to be in all things considered. LGR
And unlike the Canes series, we have Home ice no matter what we do on the road
RE: RE: RE: RE: I like their chances tonight. Get the split and take control of the
I think Gallant was spot on in his assessment of Game 3, that they didn't play a great game but were in position to steal one. Time to step it up tonight as they have done throughout the playoffs.
It may well be the fact that this Rangers' team is the youngest remaining in SCP and one of the two or three youngest throughout the season: is the huge variations in the level and intensity of their play, not even game to game but within games. It's been a characteristic of each Series so far--team wide and pair and line specific.
the youngest fact is a little bit of red herring IMO. it's so skewed by the kid line who is playing well consistently any mention of it is really just excuse making (just my opinion).
Mika, Fox, Kreider, Panarin and then Copp - are the Rangers top 5 in playoff points. even 6th is Vatrano, but all anyone talks about is the kid line. Igor is 26. None of the names I mentioned are considered young by NHL standards except Fox and the players who are young are playing well. consistently in my opinion.
Which young players intensity do you question who you would classify as young?
Kreider is out to lunch FAR too often after 10 years on the team. For a guy of his physical stature he hangs out on the boards WAY too much.
Totally agree here.
pj, with the kids line, its not even just about their scoring. When they are on the ice, they dictate the play, play very good defense and are hornets on the forecheck. I know you arent saying they are being overrated (at least I dont think you are), but the scoring isnt the most important part of their game IMV.
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the reason the kid line stands out despite not ranking highly
in the scoring sheet is that they're doing it at even strength, where most of the other guys are doing most of their damage on the PP. They have consistently been the Rangers' most effective line at 5v5 when it comes to generating scoring chances and controlling the play.
in the scoring sheet is that they're doing it at even strength, where most of the other guys are doing most of their damage on the PP. They have consistently been the Rangers' most effective line at 5v5 when it comes to generating scoring chances and controlling the play.
Yes, that's my point, so when someone says the Rangers inconsistent play is because they're a young team, but really the only young players are Lafreniere, Chytil, Kakko, Miller, Fox and Schneider does that really make sense to you?
When in reality the inconsistency is with players like Kreider, Panarin, Strome, Lindgren, even Mika at 5v5, even Trouba, etc. who have all been here before. Which is my I said the youth excuse is a red herring.
RE: the reason the kid line stands out despite not ranking highly
in the scoring sheet is that they're doing it at even strength, where most of the other guys are doing most of their damage on the PP. They have consistently been the Rangers' most effective line at 5v5 when it comes to generating scoring chances and controlling the play.
Also a good point Greg.
RE: RE: the reason the kid line stands out despite not ranking highly
in the scoring sheet is that they're doing it at even strength, where most of the other guys are doing most of their damage on the PP. They have consistently been the Rangers' most effective line at 5v5 when it comes to generating scoring chances and controlling the play.
Yes, that's my point, so when someone says the Rangers inconsistent play is because they're a young team, but really the only young players are Lafreniere, Chytil, Kakko, Miller, Fox and Schneider does that really make sense to you?
When in reality the inconsistency is with players like Kreider, Panarin, Strome, Lindgren, even Mika at 5v5, even Trouba, etc. who have all been here before. Which is my I said the youth excuse is a red herring.
I see, I missed what you were saying then pj. My bad. Im still groggy from the sedative they gave me during an Endoscopy.
Also I didnt realize people were saying our young players were the reason for inconsistent play. I mistve missed that, because I too thought that the vets were the ones dropping the ball at times.
RE: RE: the reason the kid line stands out despite not ranking highly
in the scoring sheet is that they're doing it at even strength, where most of the other guys are doing most of their damage on the PP. They have consistently been the Rangers' most effective line at 5v5 when it comes to generating scoring chances and controlling the play.
Yes, that's my point, so when someone says the Rangers inconsistent play is because they're a young team, but really the only young players are Lafreniere, Chytil, Kakko, Miller, Fox and Schneider does that really make sense to you?
When in reality the inconsistency is with players like Kreider, Panarin, Strome, Lindgren, even Mika at 5v5, even Trouba, etc. who have all been here before. Which is my I said the youth excuse is a red herring.
No excuses. This team is capable of playing with anyone and there’s no reason to believe we can’t win the cup because of the “young age” assertion by some. If we lose it’s because a team we lost to simply played better in a 4 out of 7..
Again, at this point, there can no longer be excuses because of age..We’ve grown up plenty.
Rangers had them on the ropes. Up 2-0 in games and 2-0 on the scoreboard.
Then they committed a bunch pf penalties to let TB back in the game.
I agree. Not sure how old you are but
1979. Rangers up 2-0 to Montreal Canadians and up 2-0 in game three
Blew a two goal lead and lost game three 4-2 and went on to lose to Canadians
4-2
Just a little history and I hope history doesn’t repeat itself
Back the in 1979 we had no cable. So I went to Roosevelt raceway to watch the rangers in the playoffs
Gulf western owned the rangers and Roosevelt raceway
I get that old wounds always find a way to resurface during tense sports moments, but I can assure you guys there's no correlation between anything that happened in 1979 and what will happen here in 2022.
The 2022 Rangers aren't old teams. They've been against the ropes over and over again all season long and have found ways to push back and win the battles.
It's a young team that is learning at every turn. Now, their lesson is handling a team when they have a series lead and finding a way to maintain and finish it.
They found out last game that TB won't go quietly and know it's going to take a lot more effort to get them out. Have to play a tough, smart 60 minutes.
Rangers had them on the ropes. Up 2-0 in games and 2-0 on the scoreboard.
Then they committed a bunch pf penalties to let TB back in the game.
I agree. Not sure how old you are but
1979. Rangers up 2-0 to Montreal Canadians and up 2-0 in game three
Blew a two goal lead and lost game three 4-2 and went on to lose to Canadians
4-2
Just a little history and I hope history doesn’t repeat itself
Back the in 1979 we had no cable. So I went to Roosevelt raceway to watch the rangers in the playoffs
Gulf western owned the rangers and Roosevelt raceway
The Rangers lost in 5, not 6. They were up 1-0 then lost 4 straight
Rangers had them on the ropes. Up 2-0 in games and 2-0 on the scoreboard.
Then they committed a bunch pf penalties to let TB back in the game.
I agree. Not sure how old you are but
1979. Rangers up 2-0 to Montreal Canadians and up 2-0 in game three
Blew a two goal lead and lost game three 4-2 and went on to lose to Canadians
4-2
Just a little history and I hope history doesn’t repeat itself
Back the in 1979 we had no cable. So I went to Roosevelt raceway to watch the rangers in the playoffs
Gulf western owned the rangers and Roosevelt raceway
The Rangers lost in 5, not 6. They were up 1-0 then lost 4 straight
Mess. Rangers cannot win playing this way. No puck control, no players in a joint rush, no one near the opposing net, no one in the slot. Just all over the place trying to get at the puck and coming up empty. Lucky they aren't down by a goal or two more. Get a grip!
him being out and having to play Goodrow up on 2nd line leaves us in a rough spot with our 4th line. Much better off having Strome out there (missing open nets) and Goodrow on the 4th line. Rooney looks lost.
him being out and having to play Goodrow up on 2nd line leaves us in a rough spot with our 4th line. Much better off having Strome out there (missing open nets) and Goodrow on the 4th line. Rooney looks lost.
exactly. Butterfly effect
The funny thing to show you what a worthless stat SOG
can be, the Rangers outshot the Lightning 10-8 and that was one of our worst periods of the post season, ranking up their with 3rd period Game 1, 5 at Carolina (nothing was worse than second period game 4 Pittsburgh).
He was positioned in the crease at the end there but they just couldn't get the puck on goal
The goal was on Braun for olaying the opportunity to lay a check on the puck handler in front of your own goal, followed by Rooney for being the 4th defender in and just puck watching.
He was positioned in the crease at the end there but they just couldn't get the puck on goal
The goal was on Braun for olaying the opportunity to lay a check on the puck handler in front of your own goal, followed by Rooney for being the 4th defender in and just puck watching.
It was on Reeves. Braun almost blocked it. Rooney agree with you. What was he doing?
RE: The funny thing to show you what a worthless stat SOG
can be, the Rangers outshot the Lightning 10-8 and that was one of our worst periods of the post season, ranking up their with 3rd period Game 1, 5 at Carolina (nothing was worse than second period game 4 Pittsburgh).
I'd imagine someday, with puck and player position data and machine learning, there could be some star that measures expected goals against average goalie or something..
Artemi's cap hit is 33% higher than the next highest player on the team and he might be the biggest liability on the ice other than Reavo. Zero burst, zero physical play, and more than half of the total giveaways this post season than he had the entire regular season. Panarin is worth at least a few odd man rushes the other way each game and more or less useless aside from a dangle here and there. He's a figure skater masquerading as a hockey player.
He was positioned in the crease at the end there but they just couldn't get the puck on goal
The goal was on Braun for olaying the opportunity to lay a check on the puck handler in front of your own goal, followed by Rooney for being the 4th defender in and just puck watching.
It was on Reeves. Braun almost blocked it. Rooney agree with you. What was he doing?
Much like Fox and Lindgren there, Braun stood around and did nothing.
Our handling and passing of the puck has been so bad
Totally lacking. How the FUCK do three guys let Kucherov slip in behind them? All three watching the puck. Some of these guys are half asleep out there.
2nd half of G3 and every second tonight so far - its been another mediocre, "dont have to win" effort, which is what I worried about. And its happened up to this point
They just aren't the same team as games 1 and 2. Night and day.
No different than games 3 and 4 in pittsburgh and games 1 and 2 in carolina.
Tampa still has to win at MSG, where the Rangers have been dominant. Still like their chances regardless of what happens in this one
Carolina liked their chances, too. These have been two winnable games we where we have shit the bed
Of course they did, but they also were at a significant disadvantage in net.
Rangers wont be at the same disadvantage. I'd love to get this one, but this was never going to be easy and it feels like people forgot that this team won 2 cups in a row and how the Rangers have been playing on the road because of the last game in Carolina.
Not available as excuse tonight. Last few minutes of the the third were decent. They are seriously down. Their 2-0 in games is about to become 2-2. Get in a gear higher than the one left on ice at the end of period 2 and attack relentlessly. Pour it on. Pull it out! LGR!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Feel like that may be the game the way it's going
They just aren't the same team as games 1 and 2. Night and day.
No different than games 3 and 4 in pittsburgh and games 1 and 2 in carolina.
Tampa still has to win at MSG, where the Rangers have been dominant. Still like their chances regardless of what happens in this one
Carolina liked their chances, too. These have been two winnable games we where we have shit the bed
Of course they did, but they also were at a significant disadvantage in net.
Rangers wont be at the same disadvantage. I'd love to get this one, but this was never going to be easy and it feels like people forgot that this team won 2 cups in a row and how the Rangers have been playing on the road because of the last game in Carolina.
Nobody saying these games are easy, but when you have a chance to get a stranglehold on the series and are actually up 2-0 on game 3, you have to do more than we have done. I am not going to be tonight saying, “wow, we are coming back to MSG”; I am going to bed, assuming nothing changes, of how bad we are playing 5 on 5. We need to generate quality chances.
That snablats acts like the Rangers are dead in a series he’ll actually be right. So far hes 0 for the playoffs.
Tuck your skirts in ladies. Rangers dominated games 1 and 2. Tampa game 4 and 2nd half of game 3. Quit fucking whining and acting like the Rangers are dead
That snablats acts like the Rangers are dead in a series he’ll actually be right. So far hes 0 for the playoffs.
Tuck your skirts in ladies. Rangers dominated games 1 and 2. Tampa game 4 and 2nd half of game 3. Quit fucking whining and acting like the Rangers are dead
When did I ever say the Rangers were dead in this playoff run?
Reaves dumps and chases whereas Panarin attempts these asinine cross ice passes that are regularly intercepted. He's easily the worst player on the ice on a dollar-for-dollar basis
And letting the Rangers come down along g to he boards. But center ice is packed and half the time the Rangers pass into the middle the puck is getting picked off, generating breaks the other way
Panarin In particular has been neutralized by the strategy
Panarin hasn't been neutralized just by Tampa, its been chronic this postseason and made that much more concerning when judged holistically as his style of play simply is the antithesis of what prospers come postseason.
You can't play Reaves again, especially since Gallant loves using his fourth line so much. Reaves is a liability. Put in Brodzinski, Hunt or even Gauthier if you must but you can't continue to play Reaves when it's a straight ol' hockey game with no Tom Wilsons to contend with.
Simply put, they need to score on 5v5. If they think that they're going to win games purely by being on the PP, they have another thing coming.
Panarin...Horrendous. I would say he was invisible up until the PP goal, but he was too busy coughing up pucks and half-assing it on the backcheck.
Copp? Invisible again.
And one final thing: you cannot have Goodrow be in the top-6. Break up the Kid Line if necessary, but you can't have Barclay fucking Goodrow playing on a line with Panarin and Copp. I'm glad Gallant shuffled the lines a bit and had Zibanejad with Panarin, but Goodrow should under no circumstances see any top-6 minutes. Move Laf up.
move on. Lightning did what they had to do at home, now Rangers need to do what they have to do at home. It was never going to be easy. This team has won 2 cups in a row, they know how to win. But they still have to win at least one at MSG. Rangers still in a great spot. Doesn't mean they will win the series, but you guys are unfrickingbelievable after a couple of games go sideways. You would think after seeing it already multiple times this postseason alone maybe people wouldn't overreact, but nope.
The first two were absolute bullshit by Justin Braun (inexplicable lack of effort and awareness) and the trio of Goodrow, Fox, and Lindgren. If if you’re struggling to get quality chances, the game should still be tight.
They got out worked and outhustled. This team has 8,000 people with A’s on their jerseys. It would’ve been nice to see one of them show up tonight.
RE: Regardless of the health of Chytil and Strome,
Artemi's cap hit is 33% higher than the next highest player on the team and he might be the biggest liability on the ice other than Reavo. Zero burst, zero physical play, and more than half of the total giveaways this post season than he had the entire regular season. Panarin is worth at least a few odd man rushes the other way each game and more or less useless aside from a dangle here and there. He's a figure skater masquerading as a hockey player.
I'd drive him to the Kremlin at this point
This sounds almost exactly, to the letter what I have been saying since Pitt about the player and I was ridiculed every time I made a post even if not about that. Its nice to see people coming around. Costy and Anak also have come to their senses.
The kicker of it all is that HE HAS NEVER BEEN GOOD IN THE POSTSEASON. Check that, I think he had ONE solid playoffs with Chicago who was loaded and he wasnt keyed on. Not sure if he was on the PP there tho....prob was.
And letting the Rangers come down along g to he boards. But center ice is packed and half the time the Rangers pass into the middle the puck is getting picked off, generating breaks the other way
Panarin In particular has been neutralized by the strategy
Are you kidding? Thats exactly what he wants to do....stay to the outside of the rush (as far as possible) away from all the big mean defenders and then switch the ice with a pass through traffic.
You would think, if he really gave a shit anoit how he was performing, when he gets a puck on a rush that he say "damn the torpedoes", use those great hands of his to knife through the middle of the zone and either get a really good chance on net that could yield a rebound, cause Tampa to have to account for what spot he leaves allowing a trailer to find an open space for a good opp As well or even draw a penalty if he beats someone bad enough.
NoNoooooo....he sprints up the wing tap dancing on the ice and tries a low percentage pass that has been almost ALWAYS unsuccessful. The other thing is Panarin's approach usually allows 1 defender to cover 2 of our guys. Vassi doesnt believe for a second that Panarin will go to goal so all he has to really do is keep him honest by being ready for the shot to his blocker, all while leaning in the direction of our other attackers in case a pass were to get on tape. The defender shadowing Panarin can focus on the passing lane all while containing Panarin to the outside where he is almost no threat as wel as keeping an eye on another attacker.
So even on odd man rushes (what I thought was his bread and butter) Panarin is so much less effective than he was during the reg season.
Trade him. Lets go get the other pieces we need: 2C, LD3, back-up goalie, two of Motte, Copp or Vatrano (whom Im starting might be the more important player than Copp due to his great jump and shot). Althpugh I still think Copp is bothered by that lower body injury or maybe he reaggravated it because he looks sognificantly slower during games.
One concern I had coming into the 2 games in Tampa
was how this young group handled success. They've played great with their backs against the wall all post season. But, they hadn't had a series lead, let alone 2 games before. Hard to say if they have been complacent or tight. But, this has not been the same team top to bottom from Games 1 & 2.
I always felt home ice didn’t mean all that much during the regular season. PLAYOFF HOME ICE albeit never a guarantee, means much more, especially at rowdy(positive way) MSG. We STILL HOLD SERVE.
Now as we all know, there are big moments that can define or turn around a series. In this case, might it be going up 2-0 in Game 3 and then heartbreakingly lose it and the game in the last 40 seconds? TBD. That game, going into last night, still haunted. A lot..
I usually can put a game behind me and move on to the next rather quickly THESE DAYS, but that still gnaws.
So do we maintain serve or lose tomorrow, going down 3-2 in games and have to mount our typical playoff series comback? Also TBD.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda, always, but we were thisclose to 3 games to 0. Yes, that’s sports. Yes, tomorrow is a new day and that terrible loss, game 3, could be rendered academic.
I always felt home ice didn’t mean all that much during the regular season. PLAYOFF HOME ICE albeit never a guarantee, means much more, especially at rowdy(positive way) MSG. We STILL HOLD SERVE.
Now as we all know, there are big moments that can define or turn around a series. In this case, might it be going up 2-0 in Game 3 and then heartbreakingly lose it and the game in the last 40 seconds? TBD. That game, going into last night, still haunted. A lot..
I usually can put a game behind me and move on to the next rather quickly THESE DAYS, but that still gnaws.
So do we maintain serve or lose tomorrow, going down 3-2 in games and have to mount our typical playoff series comback? Also TBD.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda, always, but we were thisclose to 3 games to 0. Yes, that’s sports. Yes, tomorrow is a new day and that terrible loss, game 3, could be rendered academic.
LGR
Hey Bruce, could you throw me a quick email please at huntingtonfrank2568@gmail.com? Somebody referred me to you as being a good person to answer a question I had. Its nothing weird.
the Rangers would be tied up 2-2 after 4. Everyone would take it.
Just relax.
Not buying it, they were up 2-0 in the series with a 2-0 lead in Game 3 and blew it.
I was more confident heading into Games 3, 4, 6 & 7 vs Carolina and the first two games of this series than I was heading into last night.
Sadly, last night went about as I expected. Panarin is an unmitigated disaster who isn't worth his contract. Guy avoids any and all contact.
Goodrow is a great bottom six player, what he is not is a top six forward. Kreider did another one of his space cadet routines where he acts like he is on another planet and not in tuned to what is going on in front of him. Two of the goals surrendered were the result of just lazy play. Reaves should have leveled Bogosian and then Braun stands there with his thumb in his ass and WHIFFS on him and then three guys watch Maroon bat the puck in. The breakaway by Kucherov was completely inexcusable. Three Rangers who are no more than three feet away from him all lose sight of him and let him sneak in behind them.
are proud champions. To me this was the worst performance of the playoffs by NYR. Blah and timid throughout, no jump. The way the series has flipped is something, credit to TB.
Game 1 all Rangers, Game 2 Rangers outplayed them but not by much, Game 3 TB outplayed NYR bit not by so much and Game 4 TB completely dominated. They slowed it down, clogged the middle and nobody on the Rangers seemed interested in getting his nose dirty.
Panarin is a figure skater.
Oh well, Game 5 is the biggie. I don't see the Rangers winning 2 straight against this team if they lose tomorrow.
had my own game at the worst time: 9:30 so have no commentary other than I'm disappointed (who doesn't hate TB?).
Anyway, as BB '56 said, it's best out of 3 with 2 of the three in NY where TB hasn't won.
I like the Rangers chances. In fact I think they're the favorites. Nothing has changed for me except the Rangers have had to deal with some more adversity, it's character building.
We had them on the fucking ropes in Game 5. I do not have any confidence we can pull this out, especially if Strome and/or Chytil are out. NYR has looked like shit, Vasilevsky has looked a lot better (though we aren't really testing him). Strome being out really fucked the lines up yesterday. Goodrow is not a Top 6 player. Strome being out has a huge impact on all the lines.
And seriously, get Reaves off the ice at this point.
all playoffs, down 3-1 to Pitt (down 2-0 in game 5), down 2-0 in game 6 against Pitt, down a goal against Pitt with five minutes left in game 7--then down 2-0 against Carolina, then the abomination of game 5 against Carolina, this team has responded. This was never going to be easy and I am definitely having my doubts, but if a team ever deserved the benefit of the doubt it is this Rangers team.
He is such a slow skater who Begosian blew right by as if he was stuck in concrete. Credited with 1 hit on 10 shifts… just plain awful 1 hit.
Why is he on the ice? To take penalties?
I would like to see Gallant bench him in favor of Hunt or Brodzinski who will add much needed speed to the 4th line and at least forecheck and backcheck.
Done with Reaves in the ECF.
in all the series from 94 on where we have had game 5 at home in the ECF, the series has been 2-2 and we have laid a stinker in game 5.
94 Devils- game 5 tied 2-2 we lost game 5 at MSG
2012-Devils series tied 2-2 we lost game 5 MSG
2015-Series tied 2-2 against Tampa, we lost game 5 at MSG
(obviously 97 and 14 don't count as neither series was 2-2 going into game five nor were game 5's played at MSG).
Let's change history, LGR
but some of the intense negativity on here doesn't make sense to me. I have friends texting me too that they're done, you can't win getting outplayed this badly, etc. The Rangers have done this ALL YEAR!!! If you are still counting out the Rangers after a bad game at this point, you clearly don't know this team. Everyone gave up on them after game 4 against Pittsburgh, and after game 5 against Carolina. The Rangers did not lose another game in either of those series!
That said, if Strome and Chytil aren't able to return this series, that further emphasizes what was already a relative team weakness at the C position. I love Chytil, and you can't get mad at a guy for getting hurt...but damn, every time he looks like he's about to start making an impact, he gets hurt.
made a comment about how they are slowing down Mika and his linemates. He said Cirelli’s line has done a nice job and every team has a checking line. They do? Still trying to figure out what our checking line is…
....they are now facing a playoff tested goaltender who looks to have found his game again. And I think a veteran team like Tampa is now benefiting from playing the same Rangers team for 4 games now and adjusting. Again, this is something you don't necessarily see when you play team one and done in the regular season.
For the Rangers they still have their goalie and the home ice, so this is probably going seven. Plus my thoughts on Tampa from Day 1 of the playoffs is they aren't winning the cup again just from attrition and how difficult it is to win it 3x in a row.
weh-he-ell, look at all the people jumping on the bench Reaves train!
I've been saying it for weeks. It's ok. I'll be glad to squeeze you all on board.
Ryan Reaves is a bad hockey player and had arguably the worst statistical season of any forward in the league. He has zero skill and is glacially slow.
I was an hour behind on DVR due to a late meeting last night so dodged the game thread, but by a quick scan this morning, I think we all agree last night just sucked and the game tape should be flushed
Rangers blew a big chance by letting them steal game 3...big picture, we're a really good team that's become a Cup contender, but still not good enough to put away a seasoned team like TB early
Time for the Rangers to suck it up and find their nuts...again...
I've been saying it for weeks. It's ok. I'll be glad to squeeze you all on board.
Ryan Reaves is a bad hockey player and had arguably the worst statistical season of any forward in the league. He has zero skill and is glacially slow.
Artemi's cap hit is 33% higher than the next highest player on the team and he might be the biggest liability on the ice other than Reavo. Zero burst, zero physical play, and more than half of the total giveaways this post season than he had the entire regular season. Panarin is worth at least a few odd man rushes the other way each game and more or less useless aside from a dangle here and there. He's a figure skater masquerading as a hockey player.
I'd drive him to the Kremlin at this point
This sounds almost exactly, to the letter what I have been saying since Pitt about the player and I was ridiculed every time I made a post even if not about that. Its nice to see people coming around. Costy and Anak also have come to their senses.
The kicker of it all is that HE HAS NEVER BEEN GOOD IN THE POSTSEASON. Check that, I think he had ONE solid playoffs with Chicago who was loaded and he wasnt keyed on. Not sure if he was on the PP there tho....prob was.
Panarin: 44 points in 48 career playoff games. 249 points in 186 games as a Ranger. What are we doing here? He had nothing on his line last night. Copp is looking slower and slower, Goodrow can't be in the top 6.
Whole team was bad last night. The need to single out one guy is silly. Early in the playoffs someone suggested shopping Fox. Just stop, chalk it up to a bad game, they looked tired. Tampa was desperate. They should consider injecting some fresh legs for game 5 even if the injured guys are playing
more from Copp. He has been awful this series. He needs to step up especially w/the injuries. Motte has been one of their better players but they need their top offensive players other than Mika to step up and create offensive opportunities.
I've been saying it for weeks. It's ok. I'll be glad to squeeze you all on board.
Ryan Reaves is a bad hockey player and had arguably the worst statistical season of any forward in the league. He has zero skill and is glacially slow.
I would take Brodzinksi and put him on the 4th line tomorrow. Motte/Goodrow/Brodzinski. A strong faceoff guy and two strong skating wingers who will get in on the attack. Last night wasnt the only game Reaves has stunk lately.
after their long layoff. Game 5 is huge as an understatement. They lose it the series is over. No way they win in TB.
I’m certain similar sentiments were expressed in the Pitts and Canes series
They weren't as banged up physically as they are now though. They are also facing a better goalie.
Add to this the tired factor - TB had that week+ of rest. Can the Rangers find the legs for 2 more wins?
Larry Brooks has a column today that said exactly what I said would be the biggest worry going into the games in Tampa - the Rangers knew TB would be desperate and they didnt come close to matching that intensity and urgency
Now they are more banged up, more tired, and facing a much better goalie than they faced vs Pitt and Car
Of course they can win, but saying they will win just because they are home isnt the odds on favorite it was previously
in these playoffs. It’s amazing how tired legs and injuries can and have been overcome by the adrenaline pumped into them by a manic home crowd. It guarantees nothing, but I never sell Gallant’s crew short. He always finds a way,
to get them back on track, so we shall see
We looked to have tired legs a couple times against CAR and bounced back.
It looked to me like TB made a number of adjustments defensively and in the neutral zone which helped produce a stronger forecheck.
I think the tired legs stuff is an easy excuse when there are other structural issues at play. Gallant isn't known to be a great X's and O's guy, but the Rangers need to modify the breakout system a bit to combat what TB is doing.
I also think last change for the home team helped TB immensely.
We looked to have tired legs a couple times against CAR and bounced back.
It looked to me like TB made a number of adjustments defensively and in the neutral zone which helped produce a stronger forecheck.
I think the tired legs stuff is an easy excuse when there are other structural issues at play. Gallant isn't known to be a great X's and O's guy, but the Rangers need to modify the breakout system a bit to combat what TB is doing.
I also think last change for the home team helped TB immensely.
I didn't see the game, what matchup did Cooper like?
did they try and line someone up vs the kid line to slow them down? Were they as active last night as they had been?
I always thought forward line vs forward line match-ups were overblown and forward line vs D was what I'd try and line up if I could, but it's harder to do, since most teams have 4 forward lines and 3 D pairs.
I really didn't notice who they matched with the kids
No, I did not see them try to match the kid line - however, that line got minimal ice time as Chytil got hurt in the second and Laf was moved up in the late second (or third, I don't remember).
They had a few good shifts but weren't like they were in game one - but again, minimal ice time together.
I think Kakko demands more ice time. He's one of the few guys controlling the puck down low. I get the frustrations that it's not turning into much, but the Rangers are struggling to maintain possession. Offensive zone time will lead to powerplays.
We looked to have tired legs a couple times against CAR and bounced back.
It looked to me like TB made a number of adjustments defensively and in the neutral zone which helped produce a stronger forecheck.
I think the tired legs stuff is an easy excuse when there are other structural issues at play. Gallant isn't known to be a great X's and O's guy, but the Rangers need to modify the breakout system a bit to combat what TB is doing.
I also think last change for the home team helped TB immensely.
We all HOPE it was the lack of urgency instead of tired legs and that they bounce back as they have done the entire run.
But its been 6 more games on those legs since their last bounce back was needed (after Carolina G5). And Carolina played the same number of games in same number of days as the Rangers. Tampa had a 9 day break
Tampa clearly made an XO change in how they were using long passes up the ice much more in G3 and 4
We are counting on the "lack of urgency", hoping it isnt the "tired legs"
Strome should be good to go. Fingers crossed on Barc, but Gallant said he thinks they'll feel good about that today and it's hard to see much of anything keeping him off the ice at this point as long as everything is structurally sound.
LGR.
Then they committed a bunch pf penalties to let TB back in the game.
Rangers need to be harder on the forecheck and finish their checks which they did not do Sunday afternoon. Keep giving the kid line minutes because they continuously have shown to outwork whoever they are matched up with while they are on the attack.
Will be interested to see what the result is of Gallant saying they would address how Kucherov hit Igor in the back of the knee after the whistle the other day.
Need to win this tonight.
Either way, I expect a rebound from the Rangers and a game more like 1 and 2. It basically took a perfect game from TB to even win a close one, I doubt they are perfect again.
Rangers win 4 - 1, go home to close it out.
I’m afraid the series goes as this game goes. Very stressful!
Hudson
Either way, I expect a rebound from the Rangers and a game more like 1 and 2. It basically took a perfect game from TB to even win a close one, I doubt they are perfect again.
Rangers win 4 - 1, go home to close it out.
I guess Kay Whitmore.
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Carl in CT
Feels riddled with crabs
Then they committed a bunch pf penalties to let TB back in the game.
Agreed. I thought the Rangers had 'em at 2-0 with Igor minding the net. How many games did they lose like that this year statistically speaking I wonder?
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Then they committed a bunch pf penalties to let TB back in the game.
Agreed. I thought the Rangers had 'em at 2-0 with Igor minding the net. How many games did they lose like that this year statistically speaking I wonder?
Very few. You could probably count it on one hand.
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Rangers had them on the ropes. Up 2-0 in games and 2-0 on the scoreboard.
Then they committed a bunch pf penalties to let TB back in the game.
Agreed. I thought the Rangers had 'em at 2-0 with Igor minding the net. How many games did they lose like that this year statistically speaking I wonder?
Very few. You could probably count it on one hand.
I said this a few days ago with the Rangers up 2-0:
Wow, Such Exciting Rangers Hockey! So much fun watching this team, and it's great being up 2-0 against the 2-time reigning Stanely Cup Champions.
But what is the old adage? Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
Tampa Bay is not going quietly into the night. They are talented, fiercely proud and now at home...
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say they would talk to the "supervisor" about the clear approach from TB to get on Igor? Who is the supervisor?
Either way, I expect a rebound from the Rangers and a game more like 1 and 2. It basically took a perfect game from TB to even win a close one, I doubt they are perfect again.
Rangers win 4 - 1, go home to close it out.
I guess Kay Whitmore. Link - ( New Window )
Thanks, interesting read, I had no idea the league had someone assigned to monitor the series.
I also agree with Cooper though, what does Gallant expect? They called two penalties on TB for goalie interference and getting in a goalie face is the plan for probably 100% of teams facing a goalie as locked in as Igor is right now.
Lets get a win! LGR!
Start Kid Line II: Kravtsov, Cuylle, and Othmann
I think Gallant was spot on in his assessment of Game 3, that they didn't play a great game but were in position to steal one. Time to step it up tonight as they have done throughout the playoffs.
I think Gallant was spot on in his assessment of Game 3, that they didn't play a great game but were in position to steal one. Time to step it up tonight as they have done throughout the playoffs.
Its the same question the Rangers had before G3 - can they play like its an elimination game when it isnt? They did for half the game on Sunday, but in the 3rd period reverted back to the form that lost the previous 5 road playoff games that werent elimination games
Even with games 3 and 4 in here where Igor struggled, now that he's found his groove it takes a perfect game or close to it from the opponent to win and it's not often the opponent is close to perfect.
LGR
Gallant says still a long shot to play in the ECF.
Better than no shot but unless another injury Blais puts Reaves on the bench IMO. He's the only injured player I'd bench Reaves for because the upgrade is too big from Reaves to Blais.
Goodrow, Blais and Motte is a 4th line that just makes me laugh at how much better it is than half the teams in the league's 3rd lines forget about 4th lines.
I think Gallant was spot on in his assessment of Game 3, that they didn't play a great game but were in position to steal one. Time to step it up tonight as they have done throughout the playoffs.
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I think Gallant was spot on in his assessment of Game 3, that they didn't play a great game but were in position to steal one. Time to step it up tonight as they have done throughout the playoffs.
It may well be the fact that this Rangers' team is the youngest remaining in SCP and one of the two or three youngest throughout the season: is the huge variations in the level and intensity of their play, not even game to game but within games. It's been a characteristic of each Series so far--team wide and pair and line specific.
the youngest fact is a little bit of red herring IMO. it's so skewed by the kid line who is playing well consistently any mention of it is really just excuse making (just my opinion).
Mika, Fox, Kreider, Panarin and then Copp - are the Rangers top 5 in playoff points. even 6th is Vatrano, but all anyone talks about is the kid line. Igor is 26. None of the names I mentioned are considered young by NHL standards except Fox and the players who are young are playing well. consistently in my opinion.
Which young players intensity do you question who you would classify as young?
Even with games 3 and 4 in here where Igor struggled, now that he's found his groove it takes a perfect game or close to it from the opponent to win and it's not often the opponent is close to perfect.
I find it fascinating, pj, how opposite our takes can be. We are mostly in agreement on player evaluation (throughout the season), but during the insanely entertaining 3rd period last night (it's so much more pure fun to watch a fantastic back and forth, open ice wave after wave--when it's not the Rangers on the hook), I was saying to myself that Av's talent forwards and d-men are so crazy good, how does the ECF winner match up? What you say is true, Francouz (and the departed Smith) don't measure up well to Igor/Vasiylevsky, it's just challenging to me to minimize the talent differential with the other five guys on the ice.
Last night was a hoot.
From your mouth the good lord's ears, but I am simply not in that place. I just have been rolling over in my head how we blew this thing. But, I am a pessimist and not an optimist.
Btw, thanks again for relaying your friend's son positive experience with the Rangers watch party. I took my boys on Sunday and it was so well run. Not overly crowded (you had to make reservations), great view, great location, Graves signed autos for my kids (11 and 7). Also, the crowd was so into it, I was at the garden for Game 3 of Carolina and I thought the crowd, albeit on a smaller scale, was completely hyped up. Wish I could bring them tonight to Bryant Park, buy it is a school night and the game starts too late.
I'm always nervous about every playoff game, lol. I can't wait for the puck to drop tonight. False bravado should help. The Lightning are still really good.
If this series goes 6 or 7, I bet Blais will become more of a possibility should they feel like they could use him. But yeah, more likely we wouldn't see him until the Final if we were to get there.
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but a big reason why IMO the Rangers are in the drivers seat and will not be out of any game, they can be outplayed and still win (like some of the CAR series) [b]and it's also why I don't consider COL too much of a threat. the East winner should cruise in the cup finals.[b] Especially if COL is without Kadri (they are) and Cogliano (likely).
Even with games 3 and 4 in here where Igor struggled, now that he's found his groove it takes a perfect game or close to it from the opponent to win and it's not often the opponent is close to perfect.
I find it fascinating, pj, how opposite our takes can be. We are mostly in agreement on player evaluation (throughout the season), but during the insanely entertaining 3rd period last night (it's so much more pure fun to watch a fantastic back and forth, open ice wave after wave--when it's not the Rangers on the hook), I was saying to myself that Av's talent forwards and d-men are so crazy good, how does the ECF winner match up? What you say is true, Francouz (and the departed Smith) don't measure up well to Igor/Vasiylevsky, it's just challenging to me to minimize the talent differential with the other five guys on the ice.
Last night was a hoot.
Not to get ahead of ourselves but I just think the overall talent gap has to be pretty wide (it's not) to offset the talent differences in goalies.
I don't think COL D is good after Makar/Toews. They had Jack Johnson in their 3rd pair last night. Yes, that Jack Johnson.
health has taken a toll for COL on D too, they lost Sam Girard a top 4 D earlier in the playoffs. 3 players in the top two lines already lost for COL (and most of their sand paper with Kadri, Girard, and Cogliano). Health matters this time of year.
And goalie comparison is absolutely laughable.
LFGR
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I think Gallant was spot on in his assessment of Game 3, that they didn't play a great game but were in position to steal one. Time to step it up tonight as they have done throughout the playoffs.
It may well be the fact that this Rangers' team is the youngest remaining in SCP and one of the two or three youngest throughout the season: is the huge variations in the level and intensity of their play, not even game to game but within games. It's been a characteristic of each Series so far--team wide and pair and line specific.
the youngest fact is a little bit of red herring IMO. it's so skewed by the kid line who is playing well consistently any mention of it is really just excuse making (just my opinion).
Mika, Fox, Kreider, Panarin and then Copp - are the Rangers top 5 in playoff points. even 6th is Vatrano, but all anyone talks about is the kid line. Igor is 26. None of the names I mentioned are considered young by NHL standards except Fox and the players who are young are playing well. consistently in my opinion.
Which young players intensity do you question who you would classify as young?
Kreider is out to lunch FAR too often after 10 years on the team. For a guy of his physical stature he hangs out on the boards WAY too much.
There’s gonna be some pressure on the Kids Line tonight. They need to create chances at 5v5.
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but a big reason why IMO the Rangers are in the drivers seat and will not be out of any game, they can be outplayed and still win (like some of the CAR series) [b]and it's also why I don't consider COL too much of a threat. the East winner should cruise in the cup finals.[b] Especially if COL is without Kadri (they are) and Cogliano (likely).
Even with games 3 and 4 in here where Igor struggled, now that he's found his groove it takes a perfect game or close to it from the opponent to win and it's not often the opponent is close to perfect.
I find it fascinating, pj, how opposite our takes can be. We are mostly in agreement on player evaluation (throughout the season), but during the insanely entertaining 3rd period last night (it's so much more pure fun to watch a fantastic back and forth, open ice wave after wave--when it's not the Rangers on the hook), I was saying to myself that Av's talent forwards and d-men are so crazy good, how does the ECF winner match up? What you say is true, Francouz (and the departed Smith) don't measure up well to Igor/Vasiylevsky, it's just challenging to me to minimize the talent differential with the other five guys on the ice.
Last night was a hoot.
Not to get ahead of ourselves but I just think the overall talent gap has to be pretty wide (it's not) to offset the talent differences in goalies.
I don't think COL D is good after Makar/Toews. They had Jack Johnson in their 3rd pair last night. Yes, that Jack Johnson.
health has taken a toll for COL on D too, they lost Sam Girard a top 4 D earlier in the playoffs. 3 players in the top two lines already lost for COL (and most of their sand paper with Kadri, Girard, and Cogliano). Health matters this time of year.
And goalie comparison is absolutely laughable.
i have trouble seeing the rangers beat TBL so all this is moot
Strome should be good to go. Fingers crossed on Barc, but Gallant said he thinks they'll feel good about that today and it's hard to see much of anything keeping him off the ice at this point as long as everything is structurally sound.
LGR.
What hurt was the last 40 seconds GW with no shot at OT..If it had occurred say, with 5 minutes to go, I could have tolerated it much better albeit still quite painful.
We let the game slip away. We had them on the ropes. OTOH, to expect a two-time SC champion to quit would have been asking too much. Yet, we should be 1 game from moving to the finals..
LGR!
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From your mouth the good lord's ears, but I am simply not in that place. I just have been rolling over in my head how we blew this thing. But, I am a pessimist and not an optimist.
I've been in a similar head space. I may be buying into the narrative too much of us letting the champs get off the mat when we had them on the ropes up 2-0 in game 3. Feels like a huge missed opportunity. But seeing the optimism here is reassuring. We're still up 2-1 and it's a great spot to be in all things considered. LGR
but besides Anakim, no one had the Rangers sweeping the Lightening. Up 2-1. Lets get this W tonight.
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From your mouth the good lord's ears, but I am simply not in that place. I just have been rolling over in my head how we blew this thing. But, I am a pessimist and not an optimist.
I've been in a similar head space. I may be buying into the narrative too much of us letting the champs get off the mat when we had them on the ropes up 2-0 in game 3. Feels like a huge missed opportunity. But seeing the optimism here is reassuring. We're still up 2-1 and it's a great spot to be in all things considered. LGR
And unlike the Canes series, we have Home ice no matter what we do on the road
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I think Gallant was spot on in his assessment of Game 3, that they didn't play a great game but were in position to steal one. Time to step it up tonight as they have done throughout the playoffs.
It may well be the fact that this Rangers' team is the youngest remaining in SCP and one of the two or three youngest throughout the season: is the huge variations in the level and intensity of their play, not even game to game but within games. It's been a characteristic of each Series so far--team wide and pair and line specific.
the youngest fact is a little bit of red herring IMO. it's so skewed by the kid line who is playing well consistently any mention of it is really just excuse making (just my opinion).
Mika, Fox, Kreider, Panarin and then Copp - are the Rangers top 5 in playoff points. even 6th is Vatrano, but all anyone talks about is the kid line. Igor is 26. None of the names I mentioned are considered young by NHL standards except Fox and the players who are young are playing well. consistently in my opinion.
Which young players intensity do you question who you would classify as young?
Kreider is out to lunch FAR too often after 10 years on the team. For a guy of his physical stature he hangs out on the boards WAY too much.
Totally agree here.
pj, with the kids line, its not even just about their scoring. When they are on the ice, they dictate the play, play very good defense and are hornets on the forecheck. I know you arent saying they are being overrated (at least I dont think you are), but the scoring isnt the most important part of their game IMV.
Yes, that's my point, so when someone says the Rangers inconsistent play is because they're a young team, but really the only young players are Lafreniere, Chytil, Kakko, Miller, Fox and Schneider does that really make sense to you?
When in reality the inconsistency is with players like Kreider, Panarin, Strome, Lindgren, even Mika at 5v5, even Trouba, etc. who have all been here before. Which is my I said the youth excuse is a red herring.
Also a good point Greg.
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Yes, that's my point, so when someone says the Rangers inconsistent play is because they're a young team, but really the only young players are Lafreniere, Chytil, Kakko, Miller, Fox and Schneider does that really make sense to you?
When in reality the inconsistency is with players like Kreider, Panarin, Strome, Lindgren, even Mika at 5v5, even Trouba, etc. who have all been here before. Which is my I said the youth excuse is a red herring.
I see, I missed what you were saying then pj. My bad. Im still groggy from the sedative they gave me during an Endoscopy.
Also I didnt realize people were saying our young players were the reason for inconsistent play. I mistve missed that, because I too thought that the vets were the ones dropping the ball at times.
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in the scoring sheet is that they're doing it at even strength, where most of the other guys are doing most of their damage on the PP. They have consistently been the Rangers' most effective line at 5v5 when it comes to generating scoring chances and controlling the play.
Yes, that's my point, so when someone says the Rangers inconsistent play is because they're a young team, but really the only young players are Lafreniere, Chytil, Kakko, Miller, Fox and Schneider does that really make sense to you?
When in reality the inconsistency is with players like Kreider, Panarin, Strome, Lindgren, even Mika at 5v5, even Trouba, etc. who have all been here before. Which is my I said the youth excuse is a red herring.
No excuses. This team is capable of playing with anyone and there’s no reason to believe we can’t win the cup because of the “young age” assertion by some. If we lose it’s because a team we lost to simply played better in a 4 out of 7..
Again, at this point, there can no longer be excuses because of age..We’ve grown up plenty.
LGR!!!!
Then they committed a bunch pf penalties to let TB back in the game.
I agree. Not sure how old you are but
1979. Rangers up 2-0 to Montreal Canadians and up 2-0 in game three
Blew a two goal lead and lost game three 4-2 and went on to lose to Canadians
4-2
Just a little history and I hope history doesn’t repeat itself
Back the in 1979 we had no cable. So I went to Roosevelt raceway to watch the rangers in the playoffs
Gulf western owned the rangers and Roosevelt raceway
LGR!!!!
The 2022 Rangers aren't old teams. They've been against the ropes over and over again all season long and have found ways to push back and win the battles.
It's a young team that is learning at every turn. Now, their lesson is handling a team when they have a series lead and finding a way to maintain and finish it.
They found out last game that TB won't go quietly and know it's going to take a lot more effort to get them out. Have to play a tough, smart 60 minutes.
I have faith in this team to win this series.
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Rangers had them on the ropes. Up 2-0 in games and 2-0 on the scoreboard.
Then they committed a bunch pf penalties to let TB back in the game.
I agree. Not sure how old you are but
1979. Rangers up 2-0 to Montreal Canadians and up 2-0 in game three
Blew a two goal lead and lost game three 4-2 and went on to lose to Canadians
4-2
Just a little history and I hope history doesn’t repeat itself
Back the in 1979 we had no cable. So I went to Roosevelt raceway to watch the rangers in the playoffs
Gulf western owned the rangers and Roosevelt raceway
The Rangers lost in 5, not 6. They were up 1-0 then lost 4 straight
That is a nightmare scenario. The Lightning would match up that Stamkos line with our 4th and destroy them all game.
We can win if we compete all 3 periods.
Was that a surprise? He got a fastball on the ankle.
LGR!!!
This strategy in the kill is not working
Hit someone in blue
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Rangers had them on the ropes. Up 2-0 in games and 2-0 on the scoreboard.
Then they committed a bunch pf penalties to let TB back in the game.
I agree. Not sure how old you are but
1979. Rangers up 2-0 to Montreal Canadians and up 2-0 in game three
Blew a two goal lead and lost game three 4-2 and went on to lose to Canadians
4-2
Just a little history and I hope history doesn’t repeat itself
Back the in 1979 we had no cable. So I went to Roosevelt raceway to watch the rangers in the playoffs
Gulf western owned the rangers and Roosevelt raceway
The Rangers lost in 5, not 6. They were up 1-0 then lost 4 straight
Your right. I stand corrected
I think it's "these refs suck."
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Have I heard "Yankees Suck" chants? Or are they saying something else??
I think it's "these refs suck."
Ahhh ok ok... I was gonna say, weird chant when half ranger fan base would welcome the chant...haha
First goal was on him and then the penalty.
He was positioned in the crease at the end there but they just couldn't get the puck on goal
If they dont pick it up, it will be 2-2 heading back to MSG
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First goal was on him and then the penalty.
He was positioned in the crease at the end there but they just couldn't get the puck on goal
The goal was on Braun for olaying the opportunity to lay a check on the puck handler in front of your own goal, followed by Rooney for being the 4th defender in and just puck watching.
Vatrano has been active
Braun just missed swatting that goal away
Motte has been solid
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First goal was on him and then the penalty.
He was positioned in the crease at the end there but they just couldn't get the puck on goal
The goal was on Braun for olaying the opportunity to lay a check on the puck handler in front of your own goal, followed by Rooney for being the 4th defender in and just puck watching.
It was on Reeves. Braun almost blocked it. Rooney agree with you. What was he doing?
I'd imagine someday, with puck and player position data and machine learning, there could be some star that measures expected goals against average goalie or something..
Yes...They're starting to come around. Gotta buy one and tie this up
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Yes...They're starting to come around. Gotta buy one and tie this up
This has been very uninspiring offensively.
I'd drive him to the Kremlin at this point
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First goal was on him and then the penalty.
He was positioned in the crease at the end there but they just couldn't get the puck on goal
The goal was on Braun for olaying the opportunity to lay a check on the puck handler in front of your own goal, followed by Rooney for being the 4th defender in and just puck watching.
It was on Reeves. Braun almost blocked it. Rooney agree with you. What was he doing?
Much like Fox and Lindgren there, Braun stood around and did nothing.
Gross
Gross
Rinse and repeat of game 3. In fact, it's been their road mantra most of the playoffs.
Need to outwork them
No different than games 3 and 4 in pittsburgh and games 1 and 2 in carolina.
Tampa still has to win at MSG, where the Rangers have been dominant. Still like their chances regardless of what happens in this one
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They just aren't the same team as games 1 and 2. Night and day.
No different than games 3 and 4 in pittsburgh and games 1 and 2 in carolina.
Tampa still has to win at MSG, where the Rangers have been dominant. Still like their chances regardless of what happens in this one
Carolina liked their chances, too. These have been two winnable games we where we have shit the bed
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They just aren't the same team as games 1 and 2. Night and day.
No different than games 3 and 4 in pittsburgh and games 1 and 2 in carolina.
Tampa still has to win at MSG, where the Rangers have been dominant. Still like their chances regardless of what happens in this one
Carolina liked their chances, too. These have been two winnable games we where we have shit the bed
Of course they did, but they also were at a significant disadvantage in net.
Rangers wont be at the same disadvantage. I'd love to get this one, but this was never going to be easy and it feels like people forgot that this team won 2 cups in a row and how the Rangers have been playing on the road because of the last game in Carolina.
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They just aren't the same team as games 1 and 2. Night and day.
No different than games 3 and 4 in pittsburgh and games 1 and 2 in carolina.
Tampa still has to win at MSG, where the Rangers have been dominant. Still like their chances regardless of what happens in this one
Carolina liked their chances, too. These have been two winnable games we where we have shit the bed
Of course they did, but they also were at a significant disadvantage in net.
Rangers wont be at the same disadvantage. I'd love to get this one, but this was never going to be easy and it feels like people forgot that this team won 2 cups in a row and how the Rangers have been playing on the road because of the last game in Carolina.
Nobody saying these games are easy, but when you have a chance to get a stranglehold on the series and are actually up 2-0 on game 3, you have to do more than we have done. I am not going to be tonight saying, “wow, we are coming back to MSG”; I am going to bed, assuming nothing changes, of how bad we are playing 5 on 5. We need to generate quality chances.
Terrible game. Injuries? Panarin loss of himself? Lack of depth?
All that.
Tuck your skirts in ladies. Rangers dominated games 1 and 2. Tampa game 4 and 2nd half of game 3. Quit fucking whining and acting like the Rangers are dead
Tuck your skirts in ladies. Rangers dominated games 1 and 2. Tampa game 4 and 2nd half of game 3. Quit fucking whining and acting like the Rangers are dead
When did I ever say the Rangers were dead in this playoff run?
JFC
Panarin In particular has been neutralized by the strategy
Simply put, they need to score on 5v5. If they think that they're going to win games purely by being on the PP, they have another thing coming.
Panarin...Horrendous. I would say he was invisible up until the PP goal, but he was too busy coughing up pucks and half-assing it on the backcheck.
Copp? Invisible again.
And one final thing: you cannot have Goodrow be in the top-6. Break up the Kid Line if necessary, but you can't have Barclay fucking Goodrow playing on a line with Panarin and Copp. I'm glad Gallant shuffled the lines a bit and had Zibanejad with Panarin, but Goodrow should under no circumstances see any top-6 minutes. Move Laf up.
1. Laf Ziba Kreider
2. Kk Chytil Panarin
If Strome and Chytil are both out, they should just move Copp to C.
Assuming Strome and Chytil are out, this is what I would do:
Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Copp-Vatrano
Motte-Rooney-Kakko
Hunt-Brodzinski-Gauthier
They got out worked and outhustled. This team has 8,000 people with A’s on their jerseys. It would’ve been nice to see one of them show up tonight.
Panarin...Horrendous. I would say he was invisible up until the PP goal, but he was too busy coughing up pucks and half-assing it on the backcheck.
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Are you not impressed by his 20 foot backhanded centering passes to absofuckinglutely no one?
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Panarin...Horrendous. I would say he was invisible up until the PP goal, but he was too busy coughing up pucks and half-assing it on the backcheck.
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Are you not impressed by his 20 foot backhanded centering passes to absofuckinglutely no one?
To no one? I saw several passes right on the stick of TB forwards
Concussion
I'd drive him to the Kremlin at this point
This sounds almost exactly, to the letter what I have been saying since Pitt about the player and I was ridiculed every time I made a post even if not about that. Its nice to see people coming around. Costy and Anak also have come to their senses.
The kicker of it all is that HE HAS NEVER BEEN GOOD IN THE POSTSEASON. Check that, I think he had ONE solid playoffs with Chicago who was loaded and he wasnt keyed on. Not sure if he was on the PP there tho....prob was.
Panarin In particular has been neutralized by the strategy
Are you kidding? Thats exactly what he wants to do....stay to the outside of the rush (as far as possible) away from all the big mean defenders and then switch the ice with a pass through traffic.
You would think, if he really gave a shit anoit how he was performing, when he gets a puck on a rush that he say "damn the torpedoes", use those great hands of his to knife through the middle of the zone and either get a really good chance on net that could yield a rebound, cause Tampa to have to account for what spot he leaves allowing a trailer to find an open space for a good opp As well or even draw a penalty if he beats someone bad enough.
NoNoooooo....he sprints up the wing tap dancing on the ice and tries a low percentage pass that has been almost ALWAYS unsuccessful. The other thing is Panarin's approach usually allows 1 defender to cover 2 of our guys. Vassi doesnt believe for a second that Panarin will go to goal so all he has to really do is keep him honest by being ready for the shot to his blocker, all while leaning in the direction of our other attackers in case a pass were to get on tape. The defender shadowing Panarin can focus on the passing lane all while containing Panarin to the outside where he is almost no threat as wel as keeping an eye on another attacker.
So even on odd man rushes (what I thought was his bread and butter) Panarin is so much less effective than he was during the reg season.
Trade him. Lets go get the other pieces we need: 2C, LD3, back-up goalie, two of Motte, Copp or Vatrano (whom Im starting might be the more important player than Copp due to his great jump and shot). Althpugh I still think Copp is bothered by that lower body injury or maybe he reaggravated it because he looks sognificantly slower during games.
Now as we all know, there are big moments that can define or turn around a series. In this case, might it be going up 2-0 in Game 3 and then heartbreakingly lose it and the game in the last 40 seconds? TBD. That game, going into last night, still haunted. A lot..
I usually can put a game behind me and move on to the next rather quickly THESE DAYS, but that still gnaws.
So do we maintain serve or lose tomorrow, going down 3-2 in games and have to mount our typical playoff series comback? Also TBD.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda, always, but we were thisclose to 3 games to 0. Yes, that’s sports. Yes, tomorrow is a new day and that terrible loss, game 3, could be rendered academic.
LGR
Now as we all know, there are big moments that can define or turn around a series. In this case, might it be going up 2-0 in Game 3 and then heartbreakingly lose it and the game in the last 40 seconds? TBD. That game, going into last night, still haunted. A lot..
I usually can put a game behind me and move on to the next rather quickly THESE DAYS, but that still gnaws.
So do we maintain serve or lose tomorrow, going down 3-2 in games and have to mount our typical playoff series comback? Also TBD.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda, always, but we were thisclose to 3 games to 0. Yes, that’s sports. Yes, tomorrow is a new day and that terrible loss, game 3, could be rendered academic.
LGR
Hey Bruce, could you throw me a quick email please at huntingtonfrank2568@gmail.com? Somebody referred me to you as being a good person to answer a question I had. Its nothing weird.
Thanks!
Just relax.
From the jump it felt like there was an entire gear or two missing.
Hopefully some home cooking will cure some of that.
Burn the tape and let's fucking go.
Just relax.
Not buying it, they were up 2-0 in the series with a 2-0 lead in Game 3 and blew it.
I was more confident heading into Games 3, 4, 6 & 7 vs Carolina and the first two games of this series than I was heading into last night.
Sadly, last night went about as I expected. Panarin is an unmitigated disaster who isn't worth his contract. Guy avoids any and all contact.
Goodrow is a great bottom six player, what he is not is a top six forward. Kreider did another one of his space cadet routines where he acts like he is on another planet and not in tuned to what is going on in front of him. Two of the goals surrendered were the result of just lazy play. Reaves should have leveled Bogosian and then Braun stands there with his thumb in his ass and WHIFFS on him and then three guys watch Maroon bat the puck in. The breakaway by Kucherov was completely inexcusable. Three Rangers who are no more than three feet away from him all lose sight of him and let him sneak in behind them.
Game 1 all Rangers, Game 2 Rangers outplayed them but not by much, Game 3 TB outplayed NYR bit not by so much and Game 4 TB completely dominated. They slowed it down, clogged the middle and nobody on the Rangers seemed interested in getting his nose dirty.
Panarin is a figure skater.
Oh well, Game 5 is the biggie. I don't see the Rangers winning 2 straight against this team if they lose tomorrow.
Anyway, as BB '56 said, it's best out of 3 with 2 of the three in NY where TB hasn't won.
I like the Rangers chances. In fact I think they're the favorites. Nothing has changed for me except the Rangers have had to deal with some more adversity, it's character building.
And seriously, get Reaves off the ice at this point.
Assuming they win game 5.
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Rangers in 7.
Assuming they win game 5.
Doesn't matter. Rangers in 7.
Why is he on the ice? To take penalties?
I would like to see Gallant bench him in favor of Hunt or Brodzinski who will add much needed speed to the 4th line and at least forecheck and backcheck.
Done with Reaves in the ECF.
94 Devils- game 5 tied 2-2 we lost game 5 at MSG
2012-Devils series tied 2-2 we lost game 5 MSG
2015-Series tied 2-2 against Tampa, we lost game 5 at MSG
(obviously 97 and 14 don't count as neither series was 2-2 going into game five nor were game 5's played at MSG).
Let's change history, LGR
TB's forecheck was very good. A couple of shit goals (I can't believe we let that fat fuck Maroon score).
This is a 50-50 series. We were close to putting it away game three but couldn't get it done.
Win tomorrow. Who's starting the thread?
I like Gallant a lot but everything has to be perfect come playoff time.
That said, if Strome and Chytil aren't able to return this series, that further emphasizes what was already a relative team weakness at the C position. I love Chytil, and you can't get mad at a guy for getting hurt...but damn, every time he looks like he's about to start making an impact, he gets hurt.
TB's forecheck was very good. A couple of shit goals (I can't believe we let that fat fuck Maroon score).
This is a 50-50 series. We were close to putting it away game three but couldn't get it done.
Win tomorrow. Who's starting the thread?
I’m certain similar sentiments were expressed in the Pitts and Canes series
For the Rangers they still have their goalie and the home ice, so this is probably going seven. Plus my thoughts on Tampa from Day 1 of the playoffs is they aren't winning the cup again just from attrition and how difficult it is to win it 3x in a row.
Ryan Reaves is a bad hockey player and had arguably the worst statistical season of any forward in the league. He has zero skill and is glacially slow.
I was an hour behind on DVR due to a late meeting last night so dodged the game thread, but by a quick scan this morning, I think we all agree last night just sucked and the game tape should be flushed
Rangers blew a big chance by letting them steal game 3...big picture, we're a really good team that's become a Cup contender, but still not good enough to put away a seasoned team like TB early
Time for the Rangers to suck it up and find their nuts...again...
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after their long layoff. Game 5 is huge as an understatement. They lose it the series is over. No way they win in TB.
I’m certain similar sentiments were expressed in the Pitts and Canes series
They weren't as banged up physically as they are now though. They are also facing a better goalie.
Ryan Reaves is a bad hockey player and had arguably the worst statistical season of any forward in the league. He has zero skill and is glacially slow.
Hey, I was passenger #1 on this train.
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Artemi's cap hit is 33% higher than the next highest player on the team and he might be the biggest liability on the ice other than Reavo. Zero burst, zero physical play, and more than half of the total giveaways this post season than he had the entire regular season. Panarin is worth at least a few odd man rushes the other way each game and more or less useless aside from a dangle here and there. He's a figure skater masquerading as a hockey player.
I'd drive him to the Kremlin at this point
This sounds almost exactly, to the letter what I have been saying since Pitt about the player and I was ridiculed every time I made a post even if not about that. Its nice to see people coming around. Costy and Anak also have come to their senses.
The kicker of it all is that HE HAS NEVER BEEN GOOD IN THE POSTSEASON. Check that, I think he had ONE solid playoffs with Chicago who was loaded and he wasnt keyed on. Not sure if he was on the PP there tho....prob was.
Panarin: 44 points in 48 career playoff games. 249 points in 186 games as a Ranger. What are we doing here? He had nothing on his line last night. Copp is looking slower and slower, Goodrow can't be in the top 6.
Whole team was bad last night. The need to single out one guy is silly. Early in the playoffs someone suggested shopping Fox. Just stop, chalk it up to a bad game, they looked tired. Tampa was desperate. They should consider injecting some fresh legs for game 5 even if the injured guys are playing
Mook's a good choice. His dedication to chicken parm is unparalleled.
Ryan Reaves is a bad hockey player and had arguably the worst statistical season of any forward in the league. He has zero skill and is glacially slow.
I would take Brodzinksi and put him on the 4th line tomorrow. Motte/Goodrow/Brodzinski. A strong faceoff guy and two strong skating wingers who will get in on the attack. Last night wasnt the only game Reaves has stunk lately.
Then they committed a bunch pf penalties to let TB back in the game.
Agree. That was the Series right there. Now TB will probably run the table.
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after their long layoff. Game 5 is huge as an understatement. They lose it the series is over. No way they win in TB.
I’m certain similar sentiments were expressed in the Pitts and Canes series
They weren't as banged up physically as they are now though. They are also facing a better goalie.
Add to this the tired factor - TB had that week+ of rest. Can the Rangers find the legs for 2 more wins?
Larry Brooks has a column today that said exactly what I said would be the biggest worry going into the games in Tampa - the Rangers knew TB would be desperate and they didnt come close to matching that intensity and urgency
Now they are more banged up, more tired, and facing a much better goalie than they faced vs Pitt and Car
Of course they can win, but saying they will win just because they are home isnt the odds on favorite it was previously
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Assuming they win game 5.
Doesn't matter. Rangers in 7.
Like your confidence, but I don't see it if they lose game 5.
to get them back on track, so we shall see
It looked to me like TB made a number of adjustments defensively and in the neutral zone which helped produce a stronger forecheck.
I think the tired legs stuff is an easy excuse when there are other structural issues at play. Gallant isn't known to be a great X's and O's guy, but the Rangers need to modify the breakout system a bit to combat what TB is doing.
I also think last change for the home team helped TB immensely.
It looked to me like TB made a number of adjustments defensively and in the neutral zone which helped produce a stronger forecheck.
I think the tired legs stuff is an easy excuse when there are other structural issues at play. Gallant isn't known to be a great X's and O's guy, but the Rangers need to modify the breakout system a bit to combat what TB is doing.
I also think last change for the home team helped TB immensely.
I didn't see the game, what matchup did Cooper like?
I haven't fact checked this with the TOI vs. stats, but that's what it looked like to me.
I always thought forward line vs forward line match-ups were overblown and forward line vs D was what I'd try and line up if I could, but it's harder to do, since most teams have 4 forward lines and 3 D pairs.
They had a few good shifts but weren't like they were in game one - but again, minimal ice time together.
I think Kakko demands more ice time. He's one of the few guys controlling the puck down low. I get the frustrations that it's not turning into much, but the Rangers are struggling to maintain possession. Offensive zone time will lead to powerplays.
It looked to me like TB made a number of adjustments defensively and in the neutral zone which helped produce a stronger forecheck.
I think the tired legs stuff is an easy excuse when there are other structural issues at play. Gallant isn't known to be a great X's and O's guy, but the Rangers need to modify the breakout system a bit to combat what TB is doing.
I also think last change for the home team helped TB immensely.
We all HOPE it was the lack of urgency instead of tired legs and that they bounce back as they have done the entire run.
But its been 6 more games on those legs since their last bounce back was needed (after Carolina G5). And Carolina played the same number of games in same number of days as the Rangers. Tampa had a 9 day break
Tampa clearly made an XO change in how they were using long passes up the ice much more in G3 and 4
We are counting on the "lack of urgency", hoping it isnt the "tired legs"