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NFT: Dodgers at Mets Game 3. Bassitt

ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 1:48 pm
Mets Lineup

Nimmo CF
Marte RF
Lindor SS
Alonso 1B
Ruf DH
Canha LF
McNeil 2B
Escobar 3B
McCann C

Bassitt SP (11-7, 3.34 ERA)

Dodgers Lineup

Betts RF
T. Turner SS
Freeman 1B
Smith C
Muncy 3B
J. Turner DH
Lux 2B
Thompson CF
Taylor LF

Kershaw SP (7-3, 2.64 ERA)

Early 4:10PM start today. Would be great to take this series. Kershaw returns today but will be on a pitch count. As mentioned last night, Devin Marrero and Medina are the 27th and 28th players added. Good mews is we are on the verge of getting back Carrasco, Megill, Drew Smith, LG, and Lucchesi which will push some of these scrubs off the roster soon. LFGM!
My guess is that one of the reasons Merrero and Gore are up currently  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 1:52 pm : link
Is because they will be easy cuts from the 40 when we have to add Megill and Lucchesi.

They might keep Gore though for his speed. We'll see.
RE: My guess is that one of the reasons Merrero and Gore are up currently  
Mike in NY : 9/1/2022 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15799899 ZGiants98 said:
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Is because they will be easy cuts from the 40 when we have to add Megill and Lucchesi.

They might keep Gore though for his speed. We'll see.


Gore needs to be up if you want him eligible to be used in the postseason
Lucchesi  
Samiam : 9/1/2022 1:56 pm : link
My big problem with the front office is their not acquiring another lefty out of the pen. Plus, I have very little faith in Rodriguez as it is. If Lucchesi can be the dependable lefty, that’s a huge plus.
RE: RE: My guess is that one of the reasons Merrero and Gore are up currently  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 1:57 pm : link
In comment 15799901 Mike in NY said:
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Is because they will be easy cuts from the 40 when we have to add Megill and Lucchesi.

They might keep Gore though for his speed. We'll see.



Gore needs to be up if you want him eligible to be used in the postseason


Pretty sure they did away with that rule. Anyone can be called up in September now and be added to the postseason roster at anytime. They just have to be on the 40.
RE: Lucchesi  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15799902 Samiam said:
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My big problem with the front office is their not acquiring another lefty out of the pen. Plus, I have very little faith in Rodriguez as it is. If Lucchesi can be the dependable lefty, that’s a huge plus.


He already has experience as a reliever and I think that fastball/churve combo could work well against a string of left-handed hitters.

Peterson will also probably be in the pen soon.

The thing is, Loogy's really arent a big deal anyone with the 3 batter rule. Almost non of these guys will be in late inning, high leverage spots in the postseason IMO.
RE: My guess is that one of the reasons Merrero and Gore are up currently  
KDavies : 9/1/2022 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15799899 ZGiants98 said:
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Is because they will be easy cuts from the 40 when we have to add Megill and Lucchesi.

They might keep Gore though for his speed. We'll see.


Gore will likely be kept. Wouldn't see him replacing a reliever (since a starter will go to the bullpen and you have off days) on the playoff roster. He could be a valuable weapon as a PR, particularly with the Mets lack of team speed, and guys like Vogelbach clogging up the bases. He is a postseason good luck charm to boot. Dan and I were talking about him when he signed - I think he has 3 WS rings
RE: RE: My guess is that one of the reasons Merrero and Gore are up currently  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15799910 KDavies said:
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Is because they will be easy cuts from the 40 when we have to add Megill and Lucchesi.

They might keep Gore though for his speed. We'll see.



Gore will likely be kept. Wouldn't see him replacing a reliever (since a starter will go to the bullpen and you have off days) on the playoff roster. He could be a valuable weapon as a PR, particularly with the Mets lack of team speed, and guys like Vogelbach clogging up the bases. He is a postseason good luck charm to boot. Dan and I were talking about him when he signed - I think he has 3 WS rings


Really just depends on what they want. LG will obviously replace Marrero. So how do you get Gore on the roster when you have to cut back down from 28 to 26 in the postseason? Only way that would work is if there is an injury to somebody else. I also think the Mets might recall Perez at some point so they have a third catcher, which could also jeopardize Gore in September.
Joely Rodriguez  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 2:06 pm : link
actually has a 3.51 FIP on the season.

He's too wild for my tastes, but he's been MUCH better over the second half.

When he throws strikes, he's very hard to pickup from LH hitters.
RE: RE: RE: My guess is that one of the reasons Merrero and Gore are up currently  
KDavies : 9/1/2022 2:08 pm : link
In comment 15799914 ZGiants98 said:
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Is because they will be easy cuts from the 40 when we have to add Megill and Lucchesi.

They might keep Gore though for his speed. We'll see.



Gore will likely be kept. Wouldn't see him replacing a reliever (since a starter will go to the bullpen and you have off days) on the playoff roster. He could be a valuable weapon as a PR, particularly with the Mets lack of team speed, and guys like Vogelbach clogging up the bases. He is a postseason good luck charm to boot. Dan and I were talking about him when he signed - I think he has 3 WS rings



Really just depends on what they want. LG will obviously replace Marrero. So how do you get Gore on the roster when you have to cut back down from 28 to 26 in the postseason? Only way that would work is if there is an injury to somebody else. I also think the Mets might recall Perez at some point so they have a third catcher, which could also jeopardize Gore in September.


As I said, they will have 1 less starting pitcher than they did when they had 26 men. They go with 4 SP. The 5th SP (Walker?) goes to the BP for the postseason. A bullpen guy gets left off the playoff roster
I have nothing to base this on  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 2:10 pm : link
But I think Megill will very quickly establish himself as a late inning option once he's back. I see our starters going 7 innings most nights in the postseason and then we'll have Megill, Lugo, and Otto to form a bridge to Diaz.

I dont think we are in bad shape at all, but a few more things need to break right with everyone coming back.
RE: RE: RE: RE: My guess is that one of the reasons Merrero and Gore are up currently  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 2:11 pm : link
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Is because they will be easy cuts from the 40 when we have to add Megill and Lucchesi.

They might keep Gore though for his speed. We'll see.



Gore will likely be kept. Wouldn't see him replacing a reliever (since a starter will go to the bullpen and you have off days) on the playoff roster. He could be a valuable weapon as a PR, particularly with the Mets lack of team speed, and guys like Vogelbach clogging up the bases. He is a postseason good luck charm to boot. Dan and I were talking about him when he signed - I think he has 3 WS rings



Really just depends on what they want. LG will obviously replace Marrero. So how do you get Gore on the roster when you have to cut back down from 28 to 26 in the postseason? Only way that would work is if there is an injury to somebody else. I also think the Mets might recall Perez at some point so they have a third catcher, which could also jeopardize Gore in September.



As I said, they will have 1 less starting pitcher than they did when they had 26 men. They go with 4 SP. The 5th SP (Walker?) goes to the BP for the postseason. A bullpen guy gets left off the playoff roster


Ok fine. Im agreeing he's an option. I also think he's position is EXTREMELY tenuous on this roster. Both can be true. He's no lock going forward.
Why would they want Gore on the roster?  
Vanzetti : 9/1/2022 2:13 pm : link
Have you looked at his stats? His average for the last 5 years at AAA is around .200

His OPS at Syracuse this year is .554

He is quite clearly not a major leaguer
RE: Why would they want Gore on the roster?  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 2:15 pm : link
In comment 15799930 Vanzetti said:
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Have you looked at his stats? His average for the last 5 years at AAA is around .200

His OPS at Syracuse this year is .554

He is quite clearly not a major leaguer


He's fast AF. Literally, his only use is late inning pinch runner. That's it.
RE: Why would they want Gore on the roster?  
KDavies : 9/1/2022 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15799930 Vanzetti said:
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Have you looked at his stats? His average for the last 5 years at AAA is around .200

His OPS at Syracuse this year is .554

He is quite clearly not a major leaguer


Because he is a postseason luxury. Postseason games tend to be close games. There are plenty off of days, so you don't need 5 starters. Replace the 5th starter with a luxury like Gore.

Think the game against the Marlins earlier in July when Billy Hamilton pinch ran in the 10th as the man on 2nd and manufactured a run that a player with average speed would not have.

Mets down 2-1 in the playoffs. 8th inning. Vogelbach walks. Bottom of the order coming up. Are you waiting on 2-3 hits to get Vogelbach home? Or pinch-running a Naquin, who would still require 2 hits (or a walk and a hit to get home)? Or do you want an option of pinch-running a guy like Gore to steal a base? Maybe the throw goes into the OF. All of a sudden he's at 3B where a wild pitch or a SF could score him. Tie ball game.
RE: Why would they want Gore on the roster?  
DanMetroMan : 9/1/2022 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15799930 Vanzetti said:
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Have you looked at his stats? His average for the last 5 years at AAA is around .200

His OPS at Syracuse this year is .554

He is quite clearly not a major leaguer


He's an ELITE level baserunner with ELITE level sprint speed. One of McCann/Nido/Vogelbach/Ruf get on base late, he's a major, major weapon.
if they had Gore on Tuesday they probably win or tie that game  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 2:35 pm : link
in the 6th inning of a 3-3 game, Darin Ruf led off with a single with Canha and McNeil coming up next. Put Gore in there and he almost definitely ends up on 2b in scoring position. Escobar got a 2 out single that inning that put men on 1st and 2nd for McCann but had Gore been on instead of Ruf and gotten himself to second, the mets probably go up 4-3 on that single.

then in the 9th inning Escobar led off with a single down 1. With Vogelbach up that would have been an obvious situations to try to steal 2b to get a runner in scoring position and stay out of the DP (which vogey ended up hitting into). Had gore gotten 2b instead of a DP he likely moves over to 3b with 1 out and Nimmo up to drive him in with a sac fly.

seems like a better use of a roster spot than more relievers when a guy like Trevor Williams hasnt been used in more than a week.
From 2 years ago  
DanMetroMan : 9/1/2022 2:41 pm : link
How fast is he? The 29–year-old said he hasn’t run a 40-yard dash since before he was drafted in 2011, but he has an idea.

“Honestly, I probably could run a 4.3, 4.2-ish,” Gore said.

For perspective, the fastest 40-yard dash time at the 2019 NFL Combine was a 4.29.

“I ain’t running a 4.4,” Gore continued. “If I run a 4.4, I’m just going to retire.”
RE: From 2 years ago  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 2:43 pm : link
In comment 15799974 DanMetroMan said:
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How fast is he? The 29–year-old said he hasn’t run a 40-yard dash since before he was drafted in 2011, but he has an idea.

“Honestly, I probably could run a 4.3, 4.2-ish,” Gore said.

For perspective, the fastest 40-yard dash time at the 2019 NFL Combine was a 4.29.

“I ain’t running a 4.4,” Gore continued. “If I run a 4.4, I’m just going to retire.”


his sprint speed is 100th percentile.

question - does he happen to also be good defensively or literally just a one trick pony on the bases?
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DanMetroMan : 9/1/2022 2:44 pm : link
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Francisco Alvarez update: He has a "loose body" in his right ankle, the Mets say. He will get an injection today, and the plan is for him to resume baseball activities in 3-4 days.
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DanMetroMan : 9/1/2022 2:45 pm : link
In comment 15799980 Eric on Li said:
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How fast is he? The 29–year-old said he hasn’t run a 40-yard dash since before he was drafted in 2011, but he has an idea.

“Honestly, I probably could run a 4.3, 4.2-ish,” Gore said.

For perspective, the fastest 40-yard dash time at the 2019 NFL Combine was a 4.29.

“I ain’t running a 4.4,” Gore continued. “If I run a 4.4, I’m just going to retire.”



his sprint speed is 100th percentile.

question - does he happen to also be good defensively or literally just a one trick pony on the bases?


He's barely played in recent years but his reputation was that of a good defensive OF with a below average arm.
Good news on Alvarez  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 2:50 pm : link
Not needing surgery.
Anyone see/hear the Dodger broadcast call  
moze1021 : 9/1/2022 2:55 pm : link
Of Nimmo's HR save??

Similar to GKR and keeping in tradition with the great Vin Scully, proper excitement and credit was given..

Philly and Atlanta markets don't demand this I guess, but I'm glad NY and LA do.
https://twitter.com/genymets/status/1565185777096708096?t=rpuVifcIGPhYxxOxdJfVWg&s=19 - ( New Window )
Mayer  
DanMetroMan : 9/1/2022 2:57 pm : link

The tentative plan is for him to resume baseball activities in 3-4 days. His return to play will be dictated by his response to the injection and baseball activities,
RE: Mayer  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15799992 DanMetroMan said:
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The tentative plan is for him to resume baseball activities in 3-4 days. His return to play will be dictated by his response to the injection and baseball activities,


no surgery is good news but surprising they don't just shut him down. not sure what the upside is and perez played well enough he's almost definitely ahead on the org depth chart. i assume the only reason they havent called him up yet is to just get him regular PT.
Connor Grey  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 3:56 pm : link
DFA'd.
RE: Connor Grey  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15800133 ZGiants98 said:
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DFA'd.


he was an obvious one and lee is probably next. they will recycle the grey 40 man spots now occuppied by Medina and Marrero for Megill and i guess Luchesi when they are ready, although they are already at the max of 14 pitchers so it's likely they will lose another pitcher beyond that too.

going to 14P with medina makes no sense. i dont know why they didnt just call up perez and give marrero grey's spot. they cant even find innings for williams right now so whats the point of medina?

it's probably better than 50-50 that medina gets DFA'd before entering a game whenever they activate Luchesi or Megill.
Here's a link to today's game:  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 4:13 pm : link
Enjoy

&

#LFGM!


Dodgers @ Mets - Game 3: 9/1/22 - 4:10 pm EST start - SNY Feed (freestreams) - ( New Window )
Alonso turned into Willie Mays Hayes there!  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 4:15 pm : link
lol
They are just not going to promote Vientos this season, are they?  
81_Great_Dane : 9/1/2022 4:24 pm : link
Wonder what he has to do to get a callup.
Pete is missing 91-92 MPH fastballs  
moze1021 : 9/1/2022 4:31 pm : link
right down the middle

At some point he'll lock in and make people pay again..but sheesh...
ruf another big spot  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 4:33 pm : link
bases loaded 1 out. has to hit something hard in the air.
And Ruf squanders the opportunity  
moze1021 : 9/1/2022 4:33 pm : link
I mean... I'm a pretty patient dude but this is getting ridiculous when there is an alternative option that is so obvious..

RE: And Ruf squanders the opportunity  
Metnut : 9/1/2022 4:34 pm : link
In comment 15800269 moze1021 said:
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I mean... I'm a pretty patient dude but this is getting ridiculous when there is an alternative option that is so obvious..


Been really frustrating to watch him given how bad he's been.
Ruf is turrible  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 4:34 pm : link
lol
Ruf at bat  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 4:34 pm : link
maybe we should just keep playing him until he gets out of it so that way he can enter his age 37 season with confidence next year.
Love watching every AB Canha  
Metnut : 9/1/2022 4:36 pm : link
takes lately.
Shades of Game 1  
moze1021 : 9/1/2022 4:37 pm : link
Great 1st inning opportunity and only got 1 run out of it
RE: Love watching every AB Canha  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 4:38 pm : link
In comment 15800285 Metnut said:
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takes lately.


great eye and confident. the way the lineup sets up with him and mcneil, it's almost like he's another leadoff hitter and mcneil another #2 hitter.

so for pitchers they get through the 1-5 but then they are right back to a good top of the order. the let down is Escobar/C behind them. if they are auto-outs it defeats the purpose but if they can hit even a little bit they are going to get opportunities to do damage.
Gotta be another reason Vientos wasnt called up  
Snablats : 9/1/2022 4:39 pm : link
Not to trade him for relief or catching help was a total fail if you arent going to use him
i know everyone is sick of vientos posts  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 4:44 pm : link
but this is exactly why it was so stupid to waste july and not give him a couple weeks at DH and even an occasional game at 3b.

if he only played the way Baty played in his small sample of 10 games he'd have been a no brainer to recall weeks ago.

this year's braintrust rightly cut bait on Cano early but since has wasted a lot of roster spots that i worry will come back to haunt them. marrero's presence on the roster in a big game is evidence of it already.
RE: Shades of Game 1  
moze1021 : 9/1/2022 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15800286 moze1021 said:
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Great 1st inning opportunity and only got 1 run out of it


And the Dodgers didn't miss the opportunity... that could be the difference folks
And Bassit gives it right back  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 4:50 pm : link
Sigh...
Just saw the highlight of the two-run single and play at the plate  
Snablats : 9/1/2022 4:52 pm : link
Why is this director so bad? He's been terrible all season, missing plays because he never cuts to the right camera, cutting immediately to fan reaction all the time. Nobody wants to see the fan reaction, we want to see what's on the field because we can't see it
How does Escobar go from being an all star  
Debaser : 9/1/2022 4:53 pm : link
To a guy I I’m not convinced should start over Baty. I have a feeling I’m not alone on this
RE: Just saw the highlight of the two-run single and play at the plate  
moze1021 : 9/1/2022 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15800336 Snablats said:
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Why is this director so bad? He's been terrible all season, missing plays because he never cuts to the right camera, cutting immediately to fan reaction all the time. Nobody wants to see the fan reaction, we want to see what's on the field because we can't see it


If there is one thing Mets fans can not complain about, in my opinion, for the last 20ish years... it's the quality of the broadcast.
Escobar with another quality AB  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 4:56 pm : link
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Wow, McCann finally hit the ball hard  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 4:58 pm : link
too bad right at someone
RE: Wow, McCann finally hit the ball hard  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15800358 speedywheels said:
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too bad right at someone


that was 106 mph off the bat with a .550 expected batting average.

his average exit velocity this year is above his career average and his expected batting average based on contact is .238 which is right at his career average BA. his actual is more than 50 points lower.

i dont know if hes just an easy player to shift or unlucky but it would be great if they could find a way to fix that.
what a weird delay  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 5:10 pm : link
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Eppler  
DanMetroMan : 9/1/2022 5:17 pm : link
closed the door on Vientos coming up.
RE: Eppler  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 5:19 pm : link
In comment 15800394 DanMetroMan said:
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closed the door on Vientos coming up.


This is so ridiculously dumb...
Meanwhile, Keshaw has settled in  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 5:20 pm : link
Not getting more runs in the 1st will haunt them
what's the point of roster construction w/ 14 pitchers?  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 5:22 pm : link
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Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo
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"Ultimately, it is a decision based on roster construction, handedness and defensive objectives. It's kind of the sum of all of those three elements."


the handedness argument is also stupid. he is not a platoon hitter. the same way baty played (and got hits) off lefties, vientos can play vs. righties.

eppler has done some good things but this feels like a forced decision against an obvious one.
Eppler  
DanMetroMan : 9/1/2022 5:23 pm : link
and Howard informed/explained Vientos of this decision so this sure seems "final".
I dont know why most of you cant just be happy  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 5:24 pm : link
with the team we got. This is one of the best rosters in team history and we are legit WS champions. Seems like everyday all we do is complain about the roster. Vientos was a long shot to be called up and has been for months. Even if he did get called up, he wouldnt get much pay since he cant play any position other than DH.

Yes, our catchers in the 9 hole dont hit. Yes, Escobar is having a shitty offensive season...

Do we really need to repeat the same talking points over and over again ad nauseam?

How about rallying behind the players we got and let's get ready for the postseason?
100%  
DanMetroMan : 9/1/2022 5:25 pm : link
not looking for our old school arguments but Escobar isn't just having a bad offensive season, he's one of the worst 3b in baseball by DRS as well. He was a quality pick up on paper but he's been awful across the board outside of being a good teammate.
WS  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 5:26 pm : link
contenders, not champions obv.
RE: 100%  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 5:28 pm : link
In comment 15800413 DanMetroMan said:
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not looking for our old school arguments but Escobar isn't just having a bad offensive season, he's one of the worst 3b in baseball by DRS as well. He was a quality pick up on paper but he's been awful across the board outside of being a good teammate.


Yeah... AND? LG is our 3B when he returns in like a week. I fully acknowledge out of the dozen moves Eppler made this year, one or two havent worked out, Escobar being the biggest of them. What are we supposed to do about it?

Our two biggest holes have immediate in house options beating down the door in Baty and Alvarez.

This is not something to go nuts about everyday.
honestly this part reads pretty cunty and petty  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 5:28 pm : link
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Earlier Thursday, when sked about the organization’s messaging to Vientos given his strong season and the lack of a callup, manager Buck Showalter quipped: “Which part of the year is he having that’s good? You talking about the hitting? That’s something for Billy to talk about.”

In response, Eppler said he reached out to Vientos to explain that decision, as did farm director Kevin Howard. Eppler added that Vientos “knows that there’s an open line of communication and he can call me anytime.”


the whole thing feels bizarre a month after both he and Sandy PUBLICLY said he was nearing a promotion.

if you are going to use a player in a leaked article to gain leverage at the deadline, at least be willing to give him a call up in september over a useless extra RP not on the 40 man after his best month as a pro.

this is mickey mouse jeff wilponian level BS in terms of player treatment.

what an asinine quote. do you think any minor league prospect has ever called a major league GM to ask what they need to do to get a promotion?
RE: I dont know why most of you cant just be happy  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15800407 ZGiants98 said:
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with the team we got. This is one of the best rosters in team history and we are legit WS champions. Seems like everyday all we do is complain about the roster. Vientos was a long shot to be called up and has been for months. Even if he did get called up, he wouldnt get much pay since he cant play any position other than DH.

Yes, our catchers in the 9 hole dont hit. Yes, Escobar is having a shitty offensive season...

Do we really need to repeat the same talking points over and over again ad nauseam?

How about rallying behind the players we got and let's get ready for the postseason?


Because they have a chance to very easily improve the team?

How can Vientos be any worse than Ruf and/or Escobar at the plate? Especially right now, as they are really struggling to score runs the last 8-10 games
I think ultimately  
Rory : 9/1/2022 5:29 pm : link
the Vientos decision is with Buck and he wants his veterans.

I dont know enough so I'm not going to question that
RE: RE: 100%  
DanMetroMan : 9/1/2022 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15800421 ZGiants98 said:
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not looking for our old school arguments but Escobar isn't just having a bad offensive season, he's one of the worst 3b in baseball by DRS as well. He was a quality pick up on paper but he's been awful across the board outside of being a good teammate.



Yeah... AND? LG is our 3B when he returns in like a week. I fully acknowledge out of the dozen moves Eppler made this year, one or two havent worked out, Escobar being the biggest of them. What are we supposed to do about it?

Our two biggest holes have immediate in house options beating down the door in Baty and Alvarez.

This is not something to go nuts about everyday.


Hmm... I specifically noted I wasn't looking to argue and this is how you respond? YOU said this

Yes, Escobar is having a shitty offensive season...

He's having a bad season overall, yes or no? Why the snark?
RE: I think ultimately  
Rory : 9/1/2022 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15800426 Rory said:
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the Vientos decision is with Buck and he wants his veterans.

I dont know enough so I'm not going to question that


Watch closely how Buck greets his players, watch him engage with Escobar. There is a relationship there that goes beyond game stats
RE: RE: 100%  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15800421 ZGiants98 said:
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Yeah... AND? LG is our 3B when he returns in like a week.


So the shouldn't try to improve the team over the next 6-8 games until he comes back?

C'mon, Z...
And Ecobar's UZR and OAA  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 5:31 pm : link
show he's been slightly below average, not terrible. DRS is really dated. UZR now uses stat cast instead of BIS and is superior.

We all watch the games. Escobar doesnt have a lot of range but he makes the plays he should make and has a strong arm. Baty doesnt make the play Escobar made last night in the 9th.
And  
DanMetroMan : 9/1/2022 5:31 pm : link
yeah Buck's quote (at least written vs. hearing how it was said) was bizarrely "catty" and unnecessary.
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not looking for our old school arguments but Escobar isn't just having a bad offensive season, he's one of the worst 3b in baseball by DRS as well. He was a quality pick up on paper but he's been awful across the board outside of being a good teammate.



Yeah... AND? LG is our 3B when he returns in like a week. I fully acknowledge out of the dozen moves Eppler made this year, one or two havent worked out, Escobar being the biggest of them. What are we supposed to do about it?

Our two biggest holes have immediate in house options beating down the door in Baty and Alvarez.

This is not something to go nuts about everyday.



Hmm... I specifically noted I wasn't looking to argue and this is how you respond? YOU said this

Yes, Escobar is having a shitty offensive season...

He's having a bad season overall, yes or no? Why the snark?


no snark, Im talking to everyone that wants to complain about Escobar day after day. (you not being one of them).
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DanMetroMan : 9/1/2022 5:32 pm : link
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show he's been slightly below average, not terrible. DRS is really dated. UZR now uses stat cast instead of BIS and is superior.

We all watch the games. Escobar doesnt have a lot of range but he makes the plays he should make and has a strong arm. Baty doesnt make the play Escobar made last night in the 9th.


He's 4th percentile in OAA.. ya know... 96% better than he has been.
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Meanwhile, Ruf with another pathetic AB  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 5:33 pm : link
Let's just keep running him out there, he's a veteran who will turn it around any day now; no need to try a rookie in that spot...
Escobar  
DanMetroMan : 9/1/2022 5:34 pm : link
was a worthy gamble. He's fallen off. He's 33 years old, it happens. He will be back next season (ideally in a utility/role player role). His struggles are illuminated when the C position gives them nothing and their #1 offensive force all season (Alonso) has been mostly awful recently.
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ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 5:34 pm : link
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Yeah... AND? LG is our 3B when he returns in like a week.



So the shouldn't try to improve the team over the next 6-8 games until he comes back?

C'mon, Z...


With who? Vientos is not coming up for a few games. He's a butcher at 3B.
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DanMetroMan : 9/1/2022 5:35 pm : link
Baty down for the count, it's going to be Escobar and hopefully Guillorme. Vientos isn't coming up to play 3b.
eduardo mehscobar's 2nd half stats (18 games, 58 plate appearances)  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 5:36 pm : link
.179 batting average / .510 ops
1 homer
4 rbis
39 rc (honest stat)

please let us know when it's ok to criticize him.
Im just exhausted reading the same  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 5:36 pm : link
crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.

As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
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Snablats : 9/1/2022 5:38 pm : link
Dont blame Eppler - he isnt running things. He is like Rojas last year trying to explain managerial decisions that he wasnt making

Escobar is still better defensively than Baty (and obviously Vientos), and of the three Escobar is the only one who makes that final play last night

The broadcasts were great, until this director took over. He just isnt good
RE: Im just exhausted reading the same  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 5:38 pm : link
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.

As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?


Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!
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speedywheels : 9/1/2022 5:41 pm : link
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Dont blame Eppler - he isnt running things.


Then with that logic, Sandy had a great offseason - Marte and Canha has been terrific. Escobar hasn't worked out, but it was a great move on paper.

And he made a great trade to get Vogelbach, who has done very well, too.
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ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 5:42 pm : link
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.

As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?



Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!


I dont even understand your angle with Ruf. He still has solid numbers against lefties on the year. You're complaining about his last 38 ABs?? Why? Do hitters not go hot and cold? Will you be looking to replace Alonso and Lindor every time they go cold after 38 ABS? Yeah, it sucks he's cold. He's also a vet with a history of success and will likely come out of it.
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ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 5:43 pm : link
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Dont blame Eppler - he isnt running things.



Then with that logic, Sandy had a great offseason - Marte and Canha has been terrific. Escobar hasn't worked out, but it was a great move on paper.

And he made a great trade to get Vogelbach, who has done very well, too.


Not to mention Scherzer, Bassitt, and Ottavino...
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speedywheels : 9/1/2022 5:44 pm : link
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Dont blame Eppler - he isnt running things.



Then with that logic, Sandy had a great offseason - Marte and Canha has been terrific. Escobar hasn't worked out, but it was a great move on paper.

And he made a great trade to get Vogelbach, who has done very well, too.



Not to mention Scherzer, Bassitt, and Ottavino...


Ha! Yep...
RE: Im just exhausted reading the same  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 5:44 pm : link
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.

As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?


so read something else? they are 5-5 in their last 10 games, 4 of them at home vs. COL and losing another game right now with just 1 run on the board.

their bats have cooled off over the last 3 weeks or so and they've had injuries and rosters just expanded a day after they lost in part because of a short bench - so suggesting roster moves is obvious.

the mets comments/decisions don't make sense which is why all of the beats wrote that today and they keep coming out with stupid rationalizations that only make them look worse.
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ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 5:45 pm : link
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.

As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?



Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!


The Braves are the WS champions. Did you really think they wouldnt be in it until the end of the season? After today, the tough part of our schedule is essentially over. We have a lead. If we blow the lead, complain then.
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ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 5:47 pm : link
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.

As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?



so read something else? they are 5-5 in their last 10 games, 4 of them at home vs. COL and losing another game right now with just 1 run on the board.

their bats have cooled off over the last 3 weeks or so and they've had injuries and rosters just expanded a day after they lost in part because of a short bench - so suggesting roster moves is obvious.

the mets comments/decisions don't make sense which is why all of the beats wrote that today and they keep coming out with stupid rationalizations that only make them look worse.


Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.

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speedywheels : 9/1/2022 5:47 pm : link
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I dont even understand your angle with Ruf. He still has solid numbers against lefties on the year. You're complaining about his last 38 ABs?? Why? Do hitters not go hot and cold? Will you be looking to replace Alonso and Lindor every time they go cold after 38 ABS? Yeah, it sucks he's cold. He's also a vet with a history of success and will likely come out of it.


My angle is that he's been terrible, and they have a very easy way to try and improve those AB's. Again - every game is huge, with a team so close to them in the standings.

They don't have time to wait for Ruf to "come out of it"
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speedywheels : 9/1/2022 5:49 pm : link
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.

As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?



Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!



The Braves are the WS champions. Did you really think they wouldnt be in it until the end of the season? After today, the tough part of our schedule is essentially over. We have a lead. If we blow the lead, complain then.


Huh?! When did I say that? Yes, we have a lead. They could have a bigger one if they can score more runs.
McCann is snakebit today  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 5:50 pm : link
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Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 5:52 pm : link
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Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.


who said call him up to play 3b? Ruf has gotten 4 starts vs. lefties this week, something that will probably never line up on the schedule again the rest of the year and so far he is 1-9 in those games (and 1-11 overall in the last 7 days).

and vientos played 3b all August and had 0 errors. im not saying he should start over escobar but as an extra backup option until Guillorme gets back over Marrero there is zero harm considering they were willing to play without any backup IF'ers for a few games.
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.

As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?



Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!



The Braves are the WS champions. Did you really think they wouldnt be in it until the end of the season? After today, the tough part of our schedule is essentially over. We have a lead. If we blow the lead, complain then.



Huh?! When did I say that? Yes, we have a lead. They could have a bigger one if they can score more runs.


I just dont get obsessing about the Braves. We just finished our toughest stretch and we're still ahead. We've been in first place since the first week of the season. The Braves just lost to the Rockies at home too. Our offense is ranked 4th in baseball per FG. Yeah the bats cooled off during our hardest stretch of the season. No, we do not have a bad offense.
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speedywheels : 9/1/2022 5:53 pm : link
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Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.


Who said he had to only play 3B?
RE: McCann is snakebit today  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 5:54 pm : link
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the last one was 98 mph and a .650 expected ba. guy cannot catch a break.
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ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 5:55 pm : link
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Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.




who said call him up to play 3b? Ruf has gotten 4 starts vs. lefties this week, something that will probably never line up on the schedule again the rest of the year and so far he is 1-9 in those games (and 1-11 overall in the last 7 days).

and vientos played 3b all August and had 0 errors. im not saying he should start over escobar but as an extra backup option until Guillorme gets back over Marrero there is zero harm considering they were willing to play without any backup IF'ers for a few games.


This is the same tired argument over and over again but why the hell would we start Vientos clock in the majors for one series against the Dodgers. The booth and everyone associated with the Mets lately have said Ruf desperately needs MORE ABs not less. How the hell is he get going if he's on the bench for weeks at a time? Calling Vientos up to get a start against the Dodgers only to send him back down next week is equally stupid, sorry.
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.

As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?



Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!



The Braves are the WS champions. Did you really think they wouldnt be in it until the end of the season? After today, the tough part of our schedule is essentially over. We have a lead. If we blow the lead, complain then.



Huh?! When did I say that? Yes, we have a lead. They could have a bigger one if they can score more runs.



I just dont get obsessing about the Braves. We just finished our toughest stretch and we're still ahead. We've been in first place since the first week of the season. The Braves just lost to the Rockies at home too. Our offense is ranked 4th in baseball per FG. Yeah the bats cooled off during our hardest stretch of the season. No, we do not have a bad offense.


JFC - I never said they had a bad offense! They have two consistent black holes, and a third one when Ruf plays. I'll say it again - Vientos could hardly do worse than Ruf.
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ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 5:56 pm : link
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Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.




Who said he had to only play 3B?


Eric has suggested him for 3B. Vogelbach/Rud is our DH situation. That isnt changing. So yeah, 3B was his only option.
is this a real comment?  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 5:56 pm : link
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I just dont get obsessing about the Braves.


this is a throwback to "i just don't get obsessing about the payroll" in the wilpon era.
Which teams dont have black holes in their  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 5:57 pm : link
8 and 9 holes? Not many.
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Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.




Who said he had to only play 3B?



Eric has suggested him for 3B. Vogelbach/Rud is our DH situation. That isnt changing. So yeah, 3B was his only option.


show me a quote where i suggested that?
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Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 5:58 pm : link
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8 and 9 holes? Not many.


which teams win the world series? not many.
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ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:01 pm : link
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8 and 9 holes? Not many.



which teams win the world series? not many.


A fucking shitload with zero offense coming from their 8 and 9 holes lol. In fact, I would guess almost all of them. Rafael Santana anyone?
Eric you just  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:03 pm : link
said the other day with Baty out, Vientos should be an option for 3B. You also were pointing out his string of starts at 3B in AAA for weeks now, "without an error".
Nice job  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:05 pm : link
Bassitt
Ok my rant is over...  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:06 pm : link
I hope for most of your sakes, you can enjoy the rest of this season. It should be a good one.
RE: Which teams dont have black holes in their  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:06 pm : link
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8 and 9 holes? Not many.


C'mon dude - you are a stats guy, you are certainly well aware that our 8/9 are SIGNIFICANTLY worse than league average.
Kershaw out  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:08 pm : link
Time to score some runs..
Bassitt with 6 good innings (3.32 ERA)  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 6:10 pm : link
103 P (63 S)
6 H
2 R (2 ER)
3 BB
4 SO
0 HR
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ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:10 pm : link
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C'mon dude - you are a stats guy, you are certainly well aware that our 8/9 are SIGNIFICANTLY worse than league average.


Really? News to me. How is LG in the 8 hole significantly worse than other 8 hitters? Our catchers suck (like most catchers) but isnt that the entire purpose of looking at overall offense? It's 4th!!! Would have signed up for the 4th best offense in baseball back in the offseason? Why are we bitching and moaning about the 4th best offense??
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Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 6:11 pm : link
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said the other day with Baty out, Vientos should be an option for 3B. You also were pointing out his string of starts at 3B in AAA for weeks now, "without an error".


being able to play there occasionally or in an emergency as a backup is not suggesting him to come up primarily as a 3b. this is from an exchange we literally had yesterday.

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My guess is Perez is the position player we add tomorrow. We'll see!



there's no reason to not add both. 13 pitchers are more than enough. They said they want Megill to get 5 outings in the minors out of the pen so that's minimum 10 days. Drew Smith is behind that.

Gore as a pinch runner can help - they would have put him in last night and he probably would have gotten them a hit away from tying the game. but they have 0 backup IFers right now. He and Perez don't solve that so you are either wasting a spot on Sanchez/Marrero again or giving Vientos a shot hoping you don't actually have to put him in the field.


we have chosen to waste a spot on Marrero, and here we are in a 1 run game with 1 less pinch hitter available and a RH DH on an 0-fer.
Great hustle by Marte!  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:11 pm : link
Ok, let's go...
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speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:13 pm : link
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Really? News to me. How is LG in the 8 hole significantly worse than other 8 hitters? Our catchers suck (like most catchers) but isnt that the entire purpose of looking at overall offense? It's 4th!!! Would have signed up for the 4th best offense in baseball back in the offseason? Why are we bitching and moaning about the 4th best offense??


You know full well I was referring to Escobar.

ANd our catchers don't just "suck", they are historically bad.
Marrero is here for a few days  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:13 pm : link
to backup SS and 2B. He'll be gone the second LG is activated. Not hard to figure that one out either.
fuck yeah  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:13 pm : link
Let's Go!
Lindor!!  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:14 pm : link
tie game!
heard some  
Rory : 9/1/2022 6:14 pm : link
peeps peeping about Lindor couple days ago. You good now?

Lets go!
Lindor is the man  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 6:16 pm : link
Let's get the lead and steal this game
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Really? News to me. How is LG in the 8 hole significantly worse than other 8 hitters? Our catchers suck (like most catchers) but isnt that the entire purpose of looking at overall offense? It's 4th!!! Would have signed up for the 4th best offense in baseball back in the offseason? Why are we bitching and moaning about the 4th best offense??



You know full well I was referring to Escobar.

ANd our catchers don't just "suck", they are historically bad.


I dont care if you were referencing Escobar or not. The truth is LG will get most of the ABs in the 8 hole. So you screaming about the 8 and 9 hole is still pointless.

And again? Who gives a shit about the catchers? They are our catchers? There are no replacements coming. We have the best prospect in baseball set to take over soon. Why are you crying about it? Would would you like the Mets to do at catcher while they are waiting on Alvarez?
Wow, Pete is really struggling  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:17 pm : link
that high FB is killing him
I think the frustration  
allstarjim : 9/1/2022 6:17 pm : link
is not so much about the last couple of guys on the roster.

It is about how this team is obviously scuffling offensively, it's clear there needs to be something to energize this offense. I get it with Marrero, as he backs up multiple infield positions. And ok, you don't like Vientos' defense at 3rd.

But what if he comes up and doesn't hurt you defensively and hits? Escobar can be the utility guy, get the guy with the thunder in his bat. This team lost 1-0 to the Rockies with Scherzer on the mound. They scored 3 runs in a loss to the Dodgers Tuesday on Walker's start, and scored 2 runs in a win with deGrom last night.

Today it's the bottom of the 6th and they just got their 2nd hit (infield) and are down 2-1. *EDIT* 2-2 now after Lindor's double. Pete Alonso had a .754 OPS in the month of August.

Vogelbach, Ruf, and Naquin have all been scuffling as of late.

This isn't sustainable and they are in a division race, to say nothing about any chances of catching the Dodgers.

Something needs to be done and I don't care how you do it, but you have to find room for Vientos' bat in this lineup. You simply have to try. This team, as constructed, is going to need to score more runs to get where they need to go.
Huge steal  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:18 pm : link
Let's get him home.
the real ? is why are you crying about anyones opinion on a msg board?  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 6:19 pm : link
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Really? News to me. How is LG in the 8 hole significantly worse than other 8 hitters? Our catchers suck (like most catchers) but isnt that the entire purpose of looking at overall offense? It's 4th!!! Would have signed up for the 4th best offense in baseball back in the offseason? Why are we bitching and moaning about the 4th best offense??



You know full well I was referring to Escobar.

ANd our catchers don't just "suck", they are historically bad.



I dont care if you were referencing Escobar or not. The truth is LG will get most of the ABs in the 8 hole. So you screaming about the 8 and 9 hole is still pointless.

And again? Who gives a shit about the catchers? They are our catchers? There are no replacements coming. We have the best prospect in baseball set to take over soon. Why are you crying about it? Would would you like the Mets to do at catcher while they are waiting on Alvarez?


did you go off your meds or something? if your going to jam up every thread with stuff the rest of the way just give notice so we can mute accordingly.
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speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:19 pm : link
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I dont care if you were referencing Escobar or not. The truth is LG will get most of the ABs in the 8 hole. So you screaming about the 8 and 9 hole is still pointless.

And again? Who gives a shit about the catchers? They are our catchers? There are no replacements coming. We have the best prospect in baseball set to take over soon. Why are you crying about it? Would would you like the Mets to do at catcher while they are waiting on Alvarez?


Sigh....

Escobar has been playing for the last three weeks, and will play at least one more week. So yes, that's a huge black hole for 25-30 games.

ANd never said they could do anything about catcher, just pointing out what a huge black hole is. And when ruf plays, that's three holes.

Speaking of Ruf - big spot here
RE: Huge steal  
Dennis : 9/1/2022 6:20 pm : link
In comment 15800620 ZGiants98 said:
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Let's get him home.


Wow, I love that steal. I love small ball.
RE: I think the frustration  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:21 pm : link
In comment 15800618 allstarjim said:
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is not so much about the last couple of guys on the roster.

It is about how this team is obviously scuffling offensively, it's clear there needs to be something to energize this offense. I get it with Marrero, as he backs up multiple infield positions. And ok, you don't like Vientos' defense at 3rd.

But what if he comes up and doesn't hurt you defensively and hits? Escobar can be the utility guy, get the guy with the thunder in his bat. This team lost 1-0 to the Rockies with Scherzer on the mound. They scored 3 runs in a loss to the Dodgers Tuesday on Walker's start, and scored 2 runs in a win with deGrom last night.

Today it's the bottom of the 6th and they just got their 2nd hit (infield) and are down 2-1. *EDIT* 2-2 now after Lindor's double. Pete Alonso had a .754 OPS in the month of August.

Vogelbach, Ruf, and Naquin have all been scuffling as of late.

This isn't sustainable and they are in a division race, to say nothing about any chances of catching the Dodgers.

Something needs to be done and I don't care how you do it, but you have to find room for Vientos' bat in this lineup. You simply have to try. This team, as constructed, is going to need to score more runs to get where they need to go.


Its not happening. The sooner you and others come to grips that Vientos IS NOT COMING, the better off these threads will be. And you dont bench players in the middle of good seasons every time they "scuffle" or go cold.
RE: the real ? is why are you crying about anyones opinion on a msg board?  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:22 pm : link
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Really? News to me. How is LG in the 8 hole significantly worse than other 8 hitters? Our catchers suck (like most catchers) but isnt that the entire purpose of looking at overall offense? It's 4th!!! Would have signed up for the 4th best offense in baseball back in the offseason? Why are we bitching and moaning about the 4th best offense??



You know full well I was referring to Escobar.

ANd our catchers don't just "suck", they are historically bad.



I dont care if you were referencing Escobar or not. The truth is LG will get most of the ABs in the 8 hole. So you screaming about the 8 and 9 hole is still pointless.

And again? Who gives a shit about the catchers? They are our catchers? There are no replacements coming. We have the best prospect in baseball set to take over soon. Why are you crying about it? Would would you like the Mets to do at catcher while they are waiting on Alvarez?



did you go off your meds or something? if your going to jam up every thread with stuff the rest of the way just give notice so we can mute accordingly.


lol fuck off.
Well look at that!  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:22 pm : link
Ruf came through!

That steal paid off...
RE: RE: the real ? is why are you crying about anyones opinion on a msg board?  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 6:23 pm : link
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Really? News to me. How is LG in the 8 hole significantly worse than other 8 hitters? Our catchers suck (like most catchers) but isnt that the entire purpose of looking at overall offense? It's 4th!!! Would have signed up for the 4th best offense in baseball back in the offseason? Why are we bitching and moaning about the 4th best offense??



You know full well I was referring to Escobar.

ANd our catchers don't just "suck", they are historically bad.



I dont care if you were referencing Escobar or not. The truth is LG will get most of the ABs in the 8 hole. So you screaming about the 8 and 9 hole is still pointless.

And again? Who gives a shit about the catchers? They are our catchers? There are no replacements coming. We have the best prospect in baseball set to take over soon. Why are you crying about it? Would would you like the Mets to do at catcher while they are waiting on Alvarez?



did you go off your meds or something? if your going to jam up every thread with stuff the rest of the way just give notice so we can mute accordingly.



lol fuck off.


likewise, enjoy the rest of your season.
Quality veteran type AB by Ruf  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:23 pm : link
EXACTLY, why he's here and in the lineup.
Bring back roids.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/1/2022 6:25 pm : link
That would've been gone in a fun world.
Marte and Ruf did their jobs, but Lindor is the hero of this inning  
Ira : 9/1/2022 6:26 pm : link
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RE: Quality veteran type AB by Ruf  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:26 pm : link
In comment 15800639 ZGiants98 said:
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EXACTLY, why he's here and in the lineup.


He's had one good AB since he got here, lol. He needs to have a few more before I'm OK with leaving him in the lineup...

Who pitches the 7th? Lugo?
Nice inning  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 6:27 pm : link
Here comes May to pitch the 7th. I thought he'd come in for the 8th though. I'm guessing Lugo comes in for the 8th if things remain as they are.
Otto / Diaz again tonight  
Rory : 9/1/2022 6:28 pm : link
right?

RE: Nice inning  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:29 pm : link
In comment 15800655 Optimus-NY said:
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Here comes May to pitch the 7th. I thought he'd come in for the 8th though. I'm guessing Lugo comes in for the 8th if things remain as they are.


Ugh - May makes me nervous
nm  
Rory : 9/1/2022 6:29 pm : link
its May, he did in well against Col. Lets Go
Speedy  
Snablats : 9/1/2022 6:29 pm : link
Yes, Alderson did some good things this winter. He was bad again in building the bullpen and bad again at the deadline
RE: Otto / Diaz again tonight  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:29 pm : link
In comment 15800660 Rory said:
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right?


Gotta think so
RE: Otto / Diaz again tonight  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:29 pm : link
In comment 15800660 Rory said:
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right?


Wouldnt be surprised if Buck tries to go May, Givens, Diaz or something like that unfortunately.
If we get a win today, here's what's next...  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 6:29 pm : link
Christ - leadoff walk  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:31 pm : link
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RE: RE: Nice inning  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 6:31 pm : link
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Here comes May to pitch the 7th. I thought he'd come in for the 8th though. I'm guessing Lugo comes in for the 8th if things remain as they are.



Ugh - May makes me nervous


They all give me agita to some extent other than Diaz. May and Givens are on another level though, lol.
RE: RE: RE: Nice inning  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:32 pm : link
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Here comes May to pitch the 7th. I thought he'd come in for the 8th though. I'm guessing Lugo comes in for the 8th if things remain as they are.



Ugh - May makes me nervous



They all give me agita to some extent other than Diaz. May and Givens are on another level though, lol.


Ha!
that's a brutal walk with the top of the order coming up  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 6:33 pm : link
this is a game where they may need to get otto up now with the top of the order coming up. hope he gets through a quick inning and can at least get 1 or 2 outs in the 8th and then bring in Diaz for hopefully less than 6 outs.

i know both pitched yesterday but both should be on the table today. diaz threw 9 pitches and otto threw 16 yesterday.
I personally think  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:34 pm : link
Trevor Williams should get more late inning tries.
oy this seems like the time to have Otto ready for the top 3 now  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 6:37 pm : link
then pitch someone else in the 8th and have Diaz ready for the 9th when the top 3 would next come back around.
nice job  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:39 pm : link
May!
Wasn't pretty, but May gets through it  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:40 pm : link
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RE: I personally think  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 6:40 pm : link
In comment 15800686 ZGiants98 said:
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Trevor Williams should get more late inning tries.


I think you're onto something there. Let's see what they experiment with down the stretch.
RE: Wasn't pretty, but May gets through it  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 6:41 pm : link
In comment 15800697 speedywheels said:
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I'll give him his props. ALmost interference there on Betts on strike 3 when McCan't thew that ball to second.
RE: RE: Wasn't pretty, but May gets through it  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:42 pm : link
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I'll give him his props. ALmost interference there on Betts on strike 3 when McCan't thew that ball to second.


Yes, coming back from 3-0 to get Betts was impressive
Looks like Diaz for the 8th  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:43 pm : link
Then Lugo for the 9th
RE: Speedy  
Rory : 9/1/2022 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15800666 Snablats said:
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Yes, Alderson did some good things this winter. He was bad again in building the bullpen and bad again at the deadline


I mean this in a peaceful way man, don't you think you're a little too biased when it comes to Alderson.

I think you need to look at the guy's body of work as a Mets executive for 2 different eras.

Wilpons and Cohen years. I refuse to hold anyone's performance hostage during the wilpons era. I think those owners and their meddling ways circumvented a lot of baseball decisions.

Also Cohen specifically wanted Sandy as his 2nd in command for a reason. And those 2 brought us Buck and Alderson
RE: RE: Speedy  
Rory : 9/1/2022 6:44 pm : link
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Yes, Alderson did some good things this winter. He was bad again in building the bullpen and bad again at the deadline



I mean this in a peaceful way man, don't you think you're a little too biased when it comes to Alderson.

I think you need to look at the guy's body of work as a Mets executive for 2 different eras.

Wilpons and Cohen years. I refuse to hold anyone's performance hostage during the wilpons era. I think those owners and their meddling ways circumvented a lot of baseball decisions.

Also Cohen specifically wanted Sandy as his 2nd in command for a reason. And those 2 brought us Buck and Alderson


Eppler*
McCann and Nido  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:48 pm : link
with doubles against the best team in baseball the last two nights. :)
Haha  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:48 pm : link
McCann finally gets one to drop
McCann gets a double  
Rory : 9/1/2022 6:48 pm : link
too!

so much for the no hit catchers comment last night, whoever that was :)
lol  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:50 pm : link
Fuck yeah..
Wow, what a break!  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:50 pm : link
We'll take it!
It's a  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:52 pm : link
a blowout!
Marte!  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 6:52 pm : link
5-2 now
Marte comes through again  
Ira : 9/1/2022 6:53 pm : link
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I dont want to hear  
Rory : 9/1/2022 6:53 pm : link
another negative Lindor comments for a week. He's everything you would want as a 400 mill player.

fuck yea 5-2 good guys
Diaz pitching the 8th  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 6:57 pm : link
again. Looks like Lugo for the 9th.
IF IT BLEEDS WE CAN KILL IT  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/1/2022 7:00 pm : link
LFGM
mccann's 3 batted balls today  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 7:02 pm : link
106 mph line out (.550 xba)
98 mph line out (.650 xba)
102 mph double (.450 xba)

so 3 hard hit balls in 1 game and the least likely to fall in ends up the double that leads to a big insurance run.

ruf's sac fly was 103 mph and that's the exact type of at bat he's been great at. hopefully both he and mccann can get on a roll and get some confidence as the team starts facing lesser pitchers.
103  
Rory : 9/1/2022 7:05 pm : link
jesus
that was garbage can we please get robot umps already  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 7:06 pm : link
i think you let Diaz start the 9th but have to have either lugo or otto ready to come in. if their top of the order comes up he will be approaching 30 pitches.
103 mph  
Ira : 9/1/2022 7:06 pm : link
Strike 3!!!
RE: IF IT BLEEDS WE CAN KILL IT  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 7:07 pm : link
In comment 15800766 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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LFGM


Ottavino is throwing in the pen  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 7:11 pm : link
Looks like we'll see him in the 9th, not Lugo (assuming the score remains the same).
Terrance Gore alert  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 7:12 pm : link
!
terrance go time  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 7:13 pm : link
good situation to try his first swipe.
RE: Terrance Gore alert  
Ira : 9/1/2022 7:13 pm : link
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Road runner!
Damn Gore is fast  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 7:14 pm : link
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i wonder what he does to stay warm on the bench  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 7:15 pm : link
pretty amazing he can just bust that out on command like that.
RE: Damn Gore is fast  
KDavies : 9/1/2022 7:18 pm : link
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That would be why he should be on the postseason roster
Gore has 15 career hits and 41 stolen bases  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/1/2022 7:18 pm : link
That an amazing stat.

9 year career apparently
otto can't walk guys here  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 7:20 pm : link
2 run lead, the top of the lineup in the hole, have to go right at thompson and taylor.
RE: RE: Terrance Gore alert  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 7:20 pm : link
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Road runner!



RE: Gore has 15 career hits and 41 stolen bases  
KDavies : 9/1/2022 7:20 pm : link
In comment 15800821 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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That an amazing stat.

9 year career apparently


Career in postseason: 0-2 in 10 games. 3 runs. 5-6 in SB
Here we go.  
BigBlue in Keys : 9/1/2022 7:20 pm : link
Let's get it.
Effing Otto  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 7:24 pm : link
has been HUGE! One more!
Books!  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 7:25 pm : link
Huge win.
That's 2 of 3 from the Dodgersthis week and  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 7:26 pm : link
4-3 on the season series.

Yeah... we can play anyone.
wow  
Everyone Relax : 9/1/2022 7:26 pm : link
everyone coming up big. Otto makes me nervous in big spots but that was as perfect an inning as we coulda hoped for there
Otto  
KDavies : 9/1/2022 7:27 pm : link
has clearly established himself as the #2 guy in the bullpen
Total team win.  
BigBlue in Keys : 9/1/2022 7:29 pm : link
Contributions all the way down the bench. What a fun group to watch. I believe this team goes as far as Lindor carries it. He's the leader. All the guys look up to and feed off him. He keeps it upbeat, positive and loose.
RE: That's 2 of 3 from the Dodgersthis week and  
KDavies : 9/1/2022 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15800849 ZGiants98 said:
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4-3 on the season series.

Yeah... we can play anyone.


Astros are the only team they have looked overmatched against, but I believe they were without deGrom and Scherzer. Still, if the Mets are still in it, I root for the Astros to lose, even (puke!) to the Yankees
Two enormous victories  
Snablats : 9/1/2022 7:30 pm : link
To be at least three games up heading into this part of the schedule is gigantic

Rory - it's not bias against Alderson, it's telling the truth
RE: Otto  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 7:31 pm : link
In comment 15800855 KDavies said:
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has clearly established himself as the #2 guy in the bullpen


if they can somehow get peterson or megill (or both) comfortable out of the pen they will have 4 really solid options.

mccann, ruf, and mehscobar all showed signs of life at the plate need and that continuing would be very big.
RE: RE: That's 2 of 3 from the Dodgersthis week and  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 7:32 pm : link
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4-3 on the season series.

Yeah... we can play anyone.



Astros are the only team they have looked overmatched against, but I believe they were without deGrom and Scherzer. Still, if the Mets are still in it, I root for the Astros to lose, even (puke!) to the Yankees


the alvarez injury may resolve that one for them.
Another HUGE win!  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 7:40 pm : link




Braves are playing the Rockies again in Atlanta. It's scoreless now in the Top of the 2nd. "Lucky" Strider is pitching for the Barfs and Kuhl is on the mound for the Rox. Here are the standings now (Phillies are off today), not counting the Braves game that's in progress (a link for the box score to the Braves game is below along with a link to watch it):



Rockies @ Braves - 9/1/22 - 7:20 PM EST start from Atlanta - Braves feed


Box Score for Rockies @ Braves - 9/2/22 - ( New Window )
one those random baseball things  
Eric on Li : 9/1/2022 7:44 pm : link
last year the mets entered their final series with the Dodgers on August 12th 5 games over .500 and tied with philly for 1st place. The braves were 1.5 games back.

the mets lost the first 2 games in extra innings each by 1 run sparking a 5 game losing streak that took them out of 1st place and under .500. that series was obviously the last time they were in first place.

this year they lose a heart breaker on timmy trumpets night but come right back and in total team efforts win a 1 run game and then a 2 run game. run prevention, a hitting approach devoted to grinding at bats, and a well managed bullpen just helped win probably the biggest series of the year and they did it with just 1 RBI from Alonso and Lindor combined (who have to this point produced almost half of the teams runs).
Tremendous game  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 7:46 pm : link





Final Box Score for Dodgers at Mets today - 9/1/22 - ( New Window )
Huge win  
OBJRoyal : 9/1/2022 7:53 pm : link
#LFGM
Buck's press conference is on now.  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 7:54 pm : link




Here are the SPs for the series against the Nats starting tomorrow:  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 7:57 pm : link
(Buck just mentioned them)

Here's the 28-man roster:  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 8:05 pm : link
14 P (5 Starters, not including Trevor Williams)
2 C
7 IF
5 OF

*Carrasco isn't on it yet, but will be pitching in three days on September 4th.


Mets.com - Roster - ( New Window )
.  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 8:06 pm : link
Joe DeMayo
@PSLToFlushing
Tylor Megill struck out the first batter of his rehab outing for
@RumblePoniesBB
. Fastball was at 96 mph
They need to use Williams more often  
spike : 9/1/2022 8:09 pm : link
if Carrasco is indeed healthy enough to start
RE: They need to use Williams more often  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 8:10 pm : link
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if Carrasco is indeed healthy enough to start


What's gonna happen to Peterson on Sunday when Cookie pitches?
RE: RE: They need to use Williams more often  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 8:15 pm : link
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What's gonna happen to Peterson on Sunday when Cookie pitches?


My guess is they move Peterson to the pen after Friday.
Check out the next 16 games, w/an off-day on the 8th:  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 8:16 pm : link
What a huge win  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 8:16 pm : link
Got thru the LAD series with at least a 3 game lead on ATL. Maybe COL does us another favor and wins for a 4 game lead?

Either way - time to take care of business vs the weaklings now
Basically the rotation is about to be setup  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 8:16 pm : link
deGrom-Bassitt-Scherzer-Carrasco-Walker. I like it.
RE: RE: RE: They need to use Williams more often  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15800977 ZGiants98 said:
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What's gonna happen to Peterson on Sunday when Cookie pitches?



My guess is they move Peterson to the pen after Friday.


Ya think the might try a 6-man rotation w/ both Peterson and Cookie part of the rotation? Or will they start to experiment with Peterson in the bullpen from there on out?
RE: RE: RE: They need to use Williams more often  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 8:18 pm : link
In comment 15800977 ZGiants98 said:
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What's gonna happen to Peterson on Sunday when Cookie pitches?



My guess is they move Peterson to the pen after Friday.


Yep. Hope he's ready. He walks too many people for my liking, but he is a lefty....
I think they shift him to the pen now  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 8:20 pm : link
A 6 man rotation does make some sense but my guess is they know Peterson will be in the pen in the postseason. Might as well get him more reliever reps as soon as possible.
Our pen in a week or so  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 8:21 pm : link
Could look something like:

Diaz
Ottavino
Megill
Lugo
Lucchesi
J Rod
Peterson
May
Givens
Williams
RE: Our pen in a week or so  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15800993 ZGiants98 said:
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Could look something like:

Diaz
Ottavino
Megill
Lugo
Lucchesi
J Rod
Peterson
May
Givens
Williams


When is Drew Smith gonna be ready?
RE: RE: Our pen in a week or so  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15800996 Optimus-NY said:
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Could look something like:

Diaz
Ottavino
Megill
Lugo
Lucchesi
J Rod
Peterson
May
Givens
Williams



When is Drew Smith gonna be ready?


Soon but he has options and we cant bring up everyone. As it is, my list has 9. Probably will come down to Lucchesi or Smith.
.  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 8:27 pm : link

SNY Mets

@SNY_Mets
Tylor Megill struck out the side in his rehab start for Double-A Binghamton.

Megill was up to 97 mph 💪
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speedywheels : 9/1/2022 8:31 pm : link
In comment 15801007 ZGiants98 said:
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SNY Mets

@SNY_Mets
Tylor Megill struck out the side in his rehab start for Double-A Binghamton.

Megill was up to 97 mph 💪


How many appearances for Megill till he's called up? I think i read 4-5?
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ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 8:32 pm : link
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SNY Mets

@SNY_Mets
Tylor Megill struck out the side in his rehab start for Double-A Binghamton.

Megill was up to 97 mph 💪



How many appearances for Megill till he's called up? I think i read 4-5?


Sounds about right. So figure he'll be up in like a week.
RE: RE: RE: Our pen in a week or so  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 8:33 pm : link
In comment 15801000 ZGiants98 said:
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Could look something like:

Diaz
Ottavino
Megill
Lugo
Lucchesi
J Rod
Peterson
May
Givens
Williams



When is Drew Smith gonna be ready?



Soon but he has options and we cant bring up everyone. As it is, my list has 9. Probably will come down to Lucchesi or Smith.


With Peterson, can't they demote Joely?
I seriously think Megill  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 8:33 pm : link
is going to be electric out of the pen.
Braves and Rockies are in the Bottom of the 5th.  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 8:33 pm : link
Barfs are up 2-0 now.
J Rod  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 8:34 pm : link
Does not have an option.
RE: Braves and Rockies are in the Bottom of the 5th.  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 8:35 pm : link
In comment 15801024 Optimus-NY said:
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Barfs are up 2-0 now.


Not suprising. but at least NYM took care of business today
RE: J Rod  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15801026 ZGiants98 said:
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Does not have an option.


Ahhh. Thanks
Here's a drop-off in comp if there ever was any:  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 8:39 pm : link
The Mets are going from playing the team with the BEST record in MLB, in the LAD, to the one with the worst---the Nats. They have to be careful here so as not to take them lightly in this upcoming series though. A sweep is probably gonna be needed to maintain a 3 game lead. The Braves are not gonna let up. They're playing the Marlines in Atlanta tomorrow and over the weekend, followed by an off day, and then a quickie 2-game series with the Triple A's in Oakland.

You really believe them when they say  
Debaser : 9/1/2022 8:42 pm : link
It’s just another game?

It seemed a lot different at the game Rockies compared with Dodgers. Dodgers is like a playoff game . Same thing when they play the Yankees
The Mets should be able to sweep the Nats  
ZGiants98 : 9/1/2022 8:44 pm : link
Where I think we start to pull ahead is when the Phillies and Braves battle it out for two series in September.
Tomorrow, our best relievers aren't available. We need a strong game  
Ira : 9/1/2022 8:48 pm : link
by Peterson and good hitting.
RE: You really believe them when they say  
speedywheels : 9/1/2022 9:06 pm : link
In comment 15801044 Debaser said:
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It’s just another game?

It seemed a lot different at the game Rockies compared with Dodgers. Dodgers is like a playoff game . Same thing when they play the Yankees


LOL, no way. They were amped up for this series.
Here are the SP matchups for the upcoming Marlins-Braves series:  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 9:07 pm : link
Game #1 tomorrow:

Sandy Alcantara
RHP
12-6, 2.13 ERA, 167 SO

VS.

Charlie Morton
RHP
6-5, 4.10 ERA, 168 SO



Game #2 Saturday:

Edward Cabrera
RHP
4-2, 2.45 ERA, 48 SO

VS.

Jake Odorizzi
RHP
5-5, 3.90 ERA, 65 SO



Game #3 Sunday:

Pablo Lopez
RHP
8-8, 3.64 ERA, 142 SO

VS.

Max Fried
LHP
12-5, 2.56 ERA, 143 SO


**I'm hoping we get an assist tomorrow from the Marlins with Alcantara pitching against Morton.


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RE: You really believe them when they say  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15801044 Debaser said:
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It’s just another game?

It seemed a lot different at the game Rockies compared with Dodgers. Dodgers is like a playoff game . Same thing when they play the Yankees


The Mets were GASSED when they played the Yankees in the BX the last time. It was the end of a 10 game road trip w/out any off days and a double header less than 48 hours earlier.
Ump gave Strider a gift strikeout.  
Optimus-NY : 9/1/2022 9:16 pm : link
Barfs are up 3 zip on the Rockettes in the Middle of the 7th in Hotlanta.
RE: Ump gave Strider a gift strikeout.  
Rory : 9/1/2022 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15801097 Optimus-NY said:
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Barfs are up 3 zip on the Rockettes in the Middle of the 7th in Hotlanta.


Jansen is up, lets see how he does
RE: RE: I think the frustration  
allstarjim : 9/2/2022 2:26 am : link
In comment 15800629 ZGiants98 said:
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is not so much about the last couple of guys on the roster.

It is about how this team is obviously scuffling offensively, it's clear there needs to be something to energize this offense. I get it with Marrero, as he backs up multiple infield positions. And ok, you don't like Vientos' defense at 3rd.

But what if he comes up and doesn't hurt you defensively and hits? Escobar can be the utility guy, get the guy with the thunder in his bat. This team lost 1-0 to the Rockies with Scherzer on the mound. They scored 3 runs in a loss to the Dodgers Tuesday on Walker's start, and scored 2 runs in a win with deGrom last night.

Today it's the bottom of the 6th and they just got their 2nd hit (infield) and are down 2-1. *EDIT* 2-2 now after Lindor's double. Pete Alonso had a .754 OPS in the month of August.

Vogelbach, Ruf, and Naquin have all been scuffling as of late.

This isn't sustainable and they are in a division race, to say nothing about any chances of catching the Dodgers.

Something needs to be done and I don't care how you do it, but you have to find room for Vientos' bat in this lineup. You simply have to try. This team, as constructed, is going to need to score more runs to get where they need to go.



Its not happening. The sooner you and others come to grips that Vientos IS NOT COMING, the better off these threads will be. And you dont bench players in the middle of good seasons every time they "scuffle" or go cold.


WHAT?! Who said anything about benching anyone but Escobar? Escobar isn't "going cold," he's been cold all year. I'm just talking about getting a big bat in the lineup that the lineup sorely needs. I'm not sure where you come off with that last sentence. Odd statement to say.
Good news for those who didn't see it  
pjcas18 : 9/2/2022 10:48 am : link
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Impressive win, Lindor put the team on his back.  
Section331 : 9/2/2022 10:52 am : link
It's too bad he's the worst FA signing since Jason Bay! :-D

Sweep the Nats, and hope the Fins can take a game or 2 from the Braves. I like the pitching matchups in that series.
I will add one more thing, I loved the Marte signing,  
Section331 : 9/2/2022 10:59 am : link
but he's still been a bit of a revelation to me. I knew he was good, but I had no idea he was this good.
RE: I will add one more thing, I loved the Marte signing,  
Vanzetti : 9/2/2022 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15801560 Section331 said:
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but he's still been a bit of a revelation to me. I knew he was good, but I had no idea he was this good.


Marte has arguably been the Mets best player because of his consistency and big hits in critical situations. He is a huge bargain at 18 million per, especially when you consider he has nursed a groin injury all year
I remember early  
pjcas18 : 9/2/2022 12:39 pm : link
in the season someone (?) kept posting daily about how Marte had the lowest hard hit % or something like that in MLB.

I wasn't going crazy over the signing (good or bad), but I liked a lot about his game.

I think he seems like a good fit with how the Mets want to beat teams.
RE: I remember early  
Vanzetti : 9/2/2022 1:29 pm : link
In comment 15801650 pjcas18 said:
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in the season someone (?) kept posting daily about how Marte had the lowest hard hit % or something like that in MLB.

I wasn't going crazy over the signing (good or bad), but I liked a lot about his game.

I think he seems like a good fit with how the Mets want to beat teams.



Good point about fit. You could say the same about Canha. Very valuable to the Mets because of how he fits with their approach.
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