Mets Lineup
Nimmo CF
Marte RF
Lindor SS
Alonso 1B
Ruf DH
Canha LF
McNeil 2B
Escobar 3B
McCann C
Bassitt SP (11-7, 3.34 ERA)
Dodgers Lineup
Betts RF
T. Turner SS
Freeman 1B
Smith C
Muncy 3B
J. Turner DH
Lux 2B
Thompson CF
Taylor LF
Kershaw SP (7-3, 2.64 ERA)
Early 4:10PM start today. Would be great to take this series. Kershaw returns today but will be on a pitch count. As mentioned last night, Devin Marrero and Medina are the 27th and 28th players added. Good mews is we are on the verge of getting back Carrasco, Megill, Drew Smith, LG, and Lucchesi which will push some of these scrubs off the roster soon. LFGM!
They might keep Gore though for his speed. We'll see.
They might keep Gore though for his speed. We'll see.
Gore needs to be up if you want him eligible to be used in the postseason
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Is because they will be easy cuts from the 40 when we have to add Megill and Lucchesi.
They might keep Gore though for his speed. We'll see.
Gore needs to be up if you want him eligible to be used in the postseason
Pretty sure they did away with that rule. Anyone can be called up in September now and be added to the postseason roster at anytime. They just have to be on the 40.
He already has experience as a reliever and I think that fastball/churve combo could work well against a string of left-handed hitters.
Peterson will also probably be in the pen soon.
The thing is, Loogy's really arent a big deal anyone with the 3 batter rule. Almost non of these guys will be in late inning, high leverage spots in the postseason IMO.
They might keep Gore though for his speed. We'll see.
Gore will likely be kept. Wouldn't see him replacing a reliever (since a starter will go to the bullpen and you have off days) on the playoff roster. He could be a valuable weapon as a PR, particularly with the Mets lack of team speed, and guys like Vogelbach clogging up the bases. He is a postseason good luck charm to boot. Dan and I were talking about him when he signed - I think he has 3 WS rings
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Is because they will be easy cuts from the 40 when we have to add Megill and Lucchesi.
They might keep Gore though for his speed. We'll see.
Gore will likely be kept. Wouldn't see him replacing a reliever (since a starter will go to the bullpen and you have off days) on the playoff roster. He could be a valuable weapon as a PR, particularly with the Mets lack of team speed, and guys like Vogelbach clogging up the bases. He is a postseason good luck charm to boot. Dan and I were talking about him when he signed - I think he has 3 WS rings
Really just depends on what they want. LG will obviously replace Marrero. So how do you get Gore on the roster when you have to cut back down from 28 to 26 in the postseason? Only way that would work is if there is an injury to somebody else. I also think the Mets might recall Perez at some point so they have a third catcher, which could also jeopardize Gore in September.
He's too wild for my tastes, but he's been MUCH better over the second half.
When he throws strikes, he's very hard to pickup from LH hitters.
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Is because they will be easy cuts from the 40 when we have to add Megill and Lucchesi.
They might keep Gore though for his speed. We'll see.
Gore will likely be kept. Wouldn't see him replacing a reliever (since a starter will go to the bullpen and you have off days) on the playoff roster. He could be a valuable weapon as a PR, particularly with the Mets lack of team speed, and guys like Vogelbach clogging up the bases. He is a postseason good luck charm to boot. Dan and I were talking about him when he signed - I think he has 3 WS rings
Really just depends on what they want. LG will obviously replace Marrero. So how do you get Gore on the roster when you have to cut back down from 28 to 26 in the postseason? Only way that would work is if there is an injury to somebody else. I also think the Mets might recall Perez at some point so they have a third catcher, which could also jeopardize Gore in September.
As I said, they will have 1 less starting pitcher than they did when they had 26 men. They go with 4 SP. The 5th SP (Walker?) goes to the BP for the postseason. A bullpen guy gets left off the playoff roster
I dont think we are in bad shape at all, but a few more things need to break right with everyone coming back.
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Is because they will be easy cuts from the 40 when we have to add Megill and Lucchesi.
They might keep Gore though for his speed. We'll see.
Gore will likely be kept. Wouldn't see him replacing a reliever (since a starter will go to the bullpen and you have off days) on the playoff roster. He could be a valuable weapon as a PR, particularly with the Mets lack of team speed, and guys like Vogelbach clogging up the bases. He is a postseason good luck charm to boot. Dan and I were talking about him when he signed - I think he has 3 WS rings
Really just depends on what they want. LG will obviously replace Marrero. So how do you get Gore on the roster when you have to cut back down from 28 to 26 in the postseason? Only way that would work is if there is an injury to somebody else. I also think the Mets might recall Perez at some point so they have a third catcher, which could also jeopardize Gore in September.
As I said, they will have 1 less starting pitcher than they did when they had 26 men. They go with 4 SP. The 5th SP (Walker?) goes to the BP for the postseason. A bullpen guy gets left off the playoff roster
Ok fine. Im agreeing he's an option. I also think he's position is EXTREMELY tenuous on this roster. Both can be true. He's no lock going forward.
His OPS at Syracuse this year is .554
He is quite clearly not a major leaguer
His OPS at Syracuse this year is .554
He is quite clearly not a major leaguer
He's fast AF. Literally, his only use is late inning pinch runner. That's it.
His OPS at Syracuse this year is .554
He is quite clearly not a major leaguer
Because he is a postseason luxury. Postseason games tend to be close games. There are plenty off of days, so you don't need 5 starters. Replace the 5th starter with a luxury like Gore.
Think the game against the Marlins earlier in July when Billy Hamilton pinch ran in the 10th as the man on 2nd and manufactured a run that a player with average speed would not have.
Mets down 2-1 in the playoffs. 8th inning. Vogelbach walks. Bottom of the order coming up. Are you waiting on 2-3 hits to get Vogelbach home? Or pinch-running a Naquin, who would still require 2 hits (or a walk and a hit to get home)? Or do you want an option of pinch-running a guy like Gore to steal a base? Maybe the throw goes into the OF. All of a sudden he's at 3B where a wild pitch or a SF could score him. Tie ball game.
His OPS at Syracuse this year is .554
He is quite clearly not a major leaguer
He's an ELITE level baserunner with ELITE level sprint speed. One of McCann/Nido/Vogelbach/Ruf get on base late, he's a major, major weapon.
then in the 9th inning Escobar led off with a single down 1. With Vogelbach up that would have been an obvious situations to try to steal 2b to get a runner in scoring position and stay out of the DP (which vogey ended up hitting into). Had gore gotten 2b instead of a DP he likely moves over to 3b with 1 out and Nimmo up to drive him in with a sac fly.
seems like a better use of a roster spot than more relievers when a guy like Trevor Williams hasnt been used in more than a week.
“Honestly, I probably could run a 4.3, 4.2-ish,” Gore said.
For perspective, the fastest 40-yard dash time at the 2019 NFL Combine was a 4.29.
“I ain’t running a 4.4,” Gore continued. “If I run a 4.4, I’m just going to retire.”
“Honestly, I probably could run a 4.3, 4.2-ish,” Gore said.
For perspective, the fastest 40-yard dash time at the 2019 NFL Combine was a 4.29.
“I ain’t running a 4.4,” Gore continued. “If I run a 4.4, I’m just going to retire.”
his sprint speed is 100th percentile.
question - does he happen to also be good defensively or literally just a one trick pony on the bases?
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Francisco Alvarez update: He has a "loose body" in his right ankle, the Mets say. He will get an injection today, and the plan is for him to resume baseball activities in 3-4 days.
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How fast is he? The 29–year-old said he hasn’t run a 40-yard dash since before he was drafted in 2011, but he has an idea.
“Honestly, I probably could run a 4.3, 4.2-ish,” Gore said.
For perspective, the fastest 40-yard dash time at the 2019 NFL Combine was a 4.29.
“I ain’t running a 4.4,” Gore continued. “If I run a 4.4, I’m just going to retire.”
his sprint speed is 100th percentile.
question - does he happen to also be good defensively or literally just a one trick pony on the bases?
He's barely played in recent years but his reputation was that of a good defensive OF with a below average arm.
Similar to GKR and keeping in tradition with the great Vin Scully, proper excitement and credit was given..
Philly and Atlanta markets don't demand this I guess, but I'm glad NY and LA do.
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The tentative plan is for him to resume baseball activities in 3-4 days. His return to play will be dictated by his response to the injection and baseball activities,
The tentative plan is for him to resume baseball activities in 3-4 days. His return to play will be dictated by his response to the injection and baseball activities,
no surgery is good news but surprising they don't just shut him down. not sure what the upside is and perez played well enough he's almost definitely ahead on the org depth chart. i assume the only reason they havent called him up yet is to just get him regular PT.
he was an obvious one and lee is probably next. they will recycle the grey 40 man spots now occuppied by Medina and Marrero for Megill and i guess Luchesi when they are ready, although they are already at the max of 14 pitchers so it's likely they will lose another pitcher beyond that too.
going to 14P with medina makes no sense. i dont know why they didnt just call up perez and give marrero grey's spot. they cant even find innings for williams right now so whats the point of medina?
it's probably better than 50-50 that medina gets DFA'd before entering a game whenever they activate Luchesi or Megill.
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At some point he'll lock in and make people pay again..but sheesh...
Been really frustrating to watch him given how bad he's been.
great eye and confident. the way the lineup sets up with him and mcneil, it's almost like he's another leadoff hitter and mcneil another #2 hitter.
so for pitchers they get through the 1-5 but then they are right back to a good top of the order. the let down is Escobar/C behind them. if they are auto-outs it defeats the purpose but if they can hit even a little bit they are going to get opportunities to do damage.
if he only played the way Baty played in his small sample of 10 games he'd have been a no brainer to recall weeks ago.
this year's braintrust rightly cut bait on Cano early but since has wasted a lot of roster spots that i worry will come back to haunt them. marrero's presence on the roster in a big game is evidence of it already.
And the Dodgers didn't miss the opportunity... that could be the difference folks
If there is one thing Mets fans can not complain about, in my opinion, for the last 20ish years... it's the quality of the broadcast.
that was 106 mph off the bat with a .550 expected batting average.
his average exit velocity this year is above his career average and his expected batting average based on contact is .238 which is right at his career average BA. his actual is more than 50 points lower.
i dont know if hes just an easy player to shift or unlucky but it would be great if they could find a way to fix that.
This is so ridiculously dumb...
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"Ultimately, it is a decision based on roster construction, handedness and defensive objectives. It's kind of the sum of all of those three elements."
the handedness argument is also stupid. he is not a platoon hitter. the same way baty played (and got hits) off lefties, vientos can play vs. righties.
eppler has done some good things but this feels like a forced decision against an obvious one.
Yes, our catchers in the 9 hole dont hit. Yes, Escobar is having a shitty offensive season...
Do we really need to repeat the same talking points over and over again ad nauseam?
How about rallying behind the players we got and let's get ready for the postseason?
Yeah... AND? LG is our 3B when he returns in like a week. I fully acknowledge out of the dozen moves Eppler made this year, one or two havent worked out, Escobar being the biggest of them. What are we supposed to do about it?
Our two biggest holes have immediate in house options beating down the door in Baty and Alvarez.
This is not something to go nuts about everyday.
In response, Eppler said he reached out to Vientos to explain that decision, as did farm director Kevin Howard. Eppler added that Vientos “knows that there’s an open line of communication and he can call me anytime.”
the whole thing feels bizarre a month after both he and Sandy PUBLICLY said he was nearing a promotion.
if you are going to use a player in a leaked article to gain leverage at the deadline, at least be willing to give him a call up in september over a useless extra RP not on the 40 man after his best month as a pro.
this is mickey mouse jeff wilponian level BS in terms of player treatment.
what an asinine quote. do you think any minor league prospect has ever called a major league GM to ask what they need to do to get a promotion?
Yes, our catchers in the 9 hole dont hit. Yes, Escobar is having a shitty offensive season...
Do we really need to repeat the same talking points over and over again ad nauseam?
How about rallying behind the players we got and let's get ready for the postseason?
Because they have a chance to very easily improve the team?
How can Vientos be any worse than Ruf and/or Escobar at the plate? Especially right now, as they are really struggling to score runs the last 8-10 games
I dont know enough so I'm not going to question that
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not looking for our old school arguments but Escobar isn't just having a bad offensive season, he's one of the worst 3b in baseball by DRS as well. He was a quality pick up on paper but he's been awful across the board outside of being a good teammate.
Yeah... AND? LG is our 3B when he returns in like a week. I fully acknowledge out of the dozen moves Eppler made this year, one or two havent worked out, Escobar being the biggest of them. What are we supposed to do about it?
Our two biggest holes have immediate in house options beating down the door in Baty and Alvarez.
This is not something to go nuts about everyday.
Hmm... I specifically noted I wasn't looking to argue and this is how you respond? YOU said this
Yes, Escobar is having a shitty offensive season...
He's having a bad season overall, yes or no? Why the snark?
I dont know enough so I'm not going to question that
Watch closely how Buck greets his players, watch him engage with Escobar. There is a relationship there that goes beyond game stats
Yeah... AND? LG is our 3B when he returns in like a week.
So the shouldn't try to improve the team over the next 6-8 games until he comes back?
C'mon, Z...
We all watch the games. Escobar doesnt have a lot of range but he makes the plays he should make and has a strong arm. Baty doesnt make the play Escobar made last night in the 9th.
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not looking for our old school arguments but Escobar isn't just having a bad offensive season, he's one of the worst 3b in baseball by DRS as well. He was a quality pick up on paper but he's been awful across the board outside of being a good teammate.
Yeah... AND? LG is our 3B when he returns in like a week. I fully acknowledge out of the dozen moves Eppler made this year, one or two havent worked out, Escobar being the biggest of them. What are we supposed to do about it?
Our two biggest holes have immediate in house options beating down the door in Baty and Alvarez.
This is not something to go nuts about everyday.
Hmm... I specifically noted I wasn't looking to argue and this is how you respond? YOU said this
Yes, Escobar is having a shitty offensive season...
He's having a bad season overall, yes or no? Why the snark?
no snark, Im talking to everyone that wants to complain about Escobar day after day. (you not being one of them).
We all watch the games. Escobar doesnt have a lot of range but he makes the plays he should make and has a strong arm. Baty doesnt make the play Escobar made last night in the 9th.
He's 4th percentile in OAA.. ya know... 96% better than he has been.
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Yeah... AND? LG is our 3B when he returns in like a week.
So the shouldn't try to improve the team over the next 6-8 games until he comes back?
C'mon, Z...
With who? Vientos is not coming up for a few games. He's a butcher at 3B.
1 homer
4 rbis
39 rc (honest stat)
please let us know when it's ok to criticize him.
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
Escobar is still better defensively than Baty (and obviously Vientos), and of the three Escobar is the only one who makes that final play last night
The broadcasts were great, until this director took over. He just isnt good
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!
Then with that logic, Sandy had a great offseason - Marte and Canha has been terrific. Escobar hasn't worked out, but it was a great move on paper.
And he made a great trade to get Vogelbach, who has done very well, too.
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!
I dont even understand your angle with Ruf. He still has solid numbers against lefties on the year. You're complaining about his last 38 ABs?? Why? Do hitters not go hot and cold? Will you be looking to replace Alonso and Lindor every time they go cold after 38 ABS? Yeah, it sucks he's cold. He's also a vet with a history of success and will likely come out of it.
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Dont blame Eppler - he isnt running things.
Then with that logic, Sandy had a great offseason - Marte and Canha has been terrific. Escobar hasn't worked out, but it was a great move on paper.
And he made a great trade to get Vogelbach, who has done very well, too.
Not to mention Scherzer, Bassitt, and Ottavino...
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Dont blame Eppler - he isnt running things.
Then with that logic, Sandy had a great offseason - Marte and Canha has been terrific. Escobar hasn't worked out, but it was a great move on paper.
And he made a great trade to get Vogelbach, who has done very well, too.
Not to mention Scherzer, Bassitt, and Ottavino...
Ha! Yep...
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
so read something else? they are 5-5 in their last 10 games, 4 of them at home vs. COL and losing another game right now with just 1 run on the board.
their bats have cooled off over the last 3 weeks or so and they've had injuries and rosters just expanded a day after they lost in part because of a short bench - so suggesting roster moves is obvious.
the mets comments/decisions don't make sense which is why all of the beats wrote that today and they keep coming out with stupid rationalizations that only make them look worse.
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!
The Braves are the WS champions. Did you really think they wouldnt be in it until the end of the season? After today, the tough part of our schedule is essentially over. We have a lead. If we blow the lead, complain then.
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
so read something else? they are 5-5 in their last 10 games, 4 of them at home vs. COL and losing another game right now with just 1 run on the board.
their bats have cooled off over the last 3 weeks or so and they've had injuries and rosters just expanded a day after they lost in part because of a short bench - so suggesting roster moves is obvious.
the mets comments/decisions don't make sense which is why all of the beats wrote that today and they keep coming out with stupid rationalizations that only make them look worse.
Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.
I dont even understand your angle with Ruf. He still has solid numbers against lefties on the year. You're complaining about his last 38 ABs?? Why? Do hitters not go hot and cold? Will you be looking to replace Alonso and Lindor every time they go cold after 38 ABS? Yeah, it sucks he's cold. He's also a vet with a history of success and will likely come out of it.
My angle is that he's been terrible, and they have a very easy way to try and improve those AB's. Again - every game is huge, with a team so close to them in the standings.
They don't have time to wait for Ruf to "come out of it"
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!
The Braves are the WS champions. Did you really think they wouldnt be in it until the end of the season? After today, the tough part of our schedule is essentially over. We have a lead. If we blow the lead, complain then.
Huh?! When did I say that? Yes, we have a lead. They could have a bigger one if they can score more runs.
Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.
who said call him up to play 3b? Ruf has gotten 4 starts vs. lefties this week, something that will probably never line up on the schedule again the rest of the year and so far he is 1-9 in those games (and 1-11 overall in the last 7 days).
and vientos played 3b all August and had 0 errors. im not saying he should start over escobar but as an extra backup option until Guillorme gets back over Marrero there is zero harm considering they were willing to play without any backup IF'ers for a few games.
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!
The Braves are the WS champions. Did you really think they wouldnt be in it until the end of the season? After today, the tough part of our schedule is essentially over. We have a lead. If we blow the lead, complain then.
Huh?! When did I say that? Yes, we have a lead. They could have a bigger one if they can score more runs.
I just dont get obsessing about the Braves. We just finished our toughest stretch and we're still ahead. We've been in first place since the first week of the season. The Braves just lost to the Rockies at home too. Our offense is ranked 4th in baseball per FG. Yeah the bats cooled off during our hardest stretch of the season. No, we do not have a bad offense.
Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.
Who said he had to only play 3B?
the last one was 98 mph and a .650 expected ba. guy cannot catch a break.
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Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.
who said call him up to play 3b? Ruf has gotten 4 starts vs. lefties this week, something that will probably never line up on the schedule again the rest of the year and so far he is 1-9 in those games (and 1-11 overall in the last 7 days).
and vientos played 3b all August and had 0 errors. im not saying he should start over escobar but as an extra backup option until Guillorme gets back over Marrero there is zero harm considering they were willing to play without any backup IF'ers for a few games.
This is the same tired argument over and over again but why the hell would we start Vientos clock in the majors for one series against the Dodgers. The booth and everyone associated with the Mets lately have said Ruf desperately needs MORE ABs not less. How the hell is he get going if he's on the bench for weeks at a time? Calling Vientos up to get a start against the Dodgers only to send him back down next week is equally stupid, sorry.
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!
The Braves are the WS champions. Did you really think they wouldnt be in it until the end of the season? After today, the tough part of our schedule is essentially over. We have a lead. If we blow the lead, complain then.
Huh?! When did I say that? Yes, we have a lead. They could have a bigger one if they can score more runs.
I just dont get obsessing about the Braves. We just finished our toughest stretch and we're still ahead. We've been in first place since the first week of the season. The Braves just lost to the Rockies at home too. Our offense is ranked 4th in baseball per FG. Yeah the bats cooled off during our hardest stretch of the season. No, we do not have a bad offense.
JFC - I never said they had a bad offense! They have two consistent black holes, and a third one when Ruf plays. I'll say it again - Vientos could hardly do worse than Ruf.
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Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.
Who said he had to only play 3B?
Eric has suggested him for 3B. Vogelbach/Rud is our DH situation. That isnt changing. So yeah, 3B was his only option.
I just dont get obsessing about the Braves.
this is a throwback to "i just don't get obsessing about the payroll" in the wilpon era.
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Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.
Who said he had to only play 3B?
Eric has suggested him for 3B. Vogelbach/Rud is our DH situation. That isnt changing. So yeah, 3B was his only option.
show me a quote where i suggested that?
which teams win the world series? not many.
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8 and 9 holes? Not many.
which teams win the world series? not many.
A fucking shitload with zero offense coming from their 8 and 9 holes lol. In fact, I would guess almost all of them. Rafael Santana anyone?
C'mon dude - you are a stats guy, you are certainly well aware that our 8/9 are SIGNIFICANTLY worse than league average.
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8 and 9 holes? Not many.
C'mon dude - you are a stats guy, you are certainly well aware that our 8/9 are SIGNIFICANTLY worse than league average.
Really? News to me. How is LG in the 8 hole significantly worse than other 8 hitters? Our catchers suck (like most catchers) but isnt that the entire purpose of looking at overall offense? It's 4th!!! Would have signed up for the 4th best offense in baseball back in the offseason? Why are we bitching and moaning about the 4th best offense??
being able to play there occasionally or in an emergency as a backup is not suggesting him to come up primarily as a 3b. this is from an exchange we literally had yesterday.
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My guess is Perez is the position player we add tomorrow. We'll see!
there's no reason to not add both. 13 pitchers are more than enough. They said they want Megill to get 5 outings in the minors out of the pen so that's minimum 10 days. Drew Smith is behind that.
Gore as a pinch runner can help - they would have put him in last night and he probably would have gotten them a hit away from tying the game. but they have 0 backup IFers right now. He and Perez don't solve that so you are either wasting a spot on Sanchez/Marrero again or giving Vientos a shot hoping you don't actually have to put him in the field.
we have chosen to waste a spot on Marrero, and here we are in a 1 run game with 1 less pinch hitter available and a RH DH on an 0-fer.
Really? News to me. How is LG in the 8 hole significantly worse than other 8 hitters? Our catchers suck (like most catchers) but isnt that the entire purpose of looking at overall offense? It's 4th!!! Would have signed up for the 4th best offense in baseball back in the offseason? Why are we bitching and moaning about the 4th best offense??
You know full well I was referring to Escobar.
ANd our catchers don't just "suck", they are historically bad.
Lets go!
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Really? News to me. How is LG in the 8 hole significantly worse than other 8 hitters? Our catchers suck (like most catchers) but isnt that the entire purpose of looking at overall offense? It's 4th!!! Would have signed up for the 4th best offense in baseball back in the offseason? Why are we bitching and moaning about the 4th best offense??
You know full well I was referring to Escobar.
ANd our catchers don't just "suck", they are historically bad.
I dont care if you were referencing Escobar or not. The truth is LG will get most of the ABs in the 8 hole. So you screaming about the 8 and 9 hole is still pointless.
And again? Who gives a shit about the catchers? They are our catchers? There are no replacements coming. We have the best prospect in baseball set to take over soon. Why are you crying about it? Would would you like the Mets to do at catcher while they are waiting on Alvarez?
It is about how this team is obviously scuffling offensively, it's clear there needs to be something to energize this offense. I get it with Marrero, as he backs up multiple infield positions. And ok, you don't like Vientos' defense at 3rd.
But what if he comes up and doesn't hurt you defensively and hits? Escobar can be the utility guy, get the guy with the thunder in his bat. This team lost 1-0 to the Rockies with Scherzer on the mound. They scored 3 runs in a loss to the Dodgers Tuesday on Walker's start, and scored 2 runs in a win with deGrom last night.
Today it's the bottom of the 6th and they just got their 2nd hit (infield) and are down 2-1. *EDIT* 2-2 now after Lindor's double. Pete Alonso had a .754 OPS in the month of August.
Vogelbach, Ruf, and Naquin have all been scuffling as of late.
This isn't sustainable and they are in a division race, to say nothing about any chances of catching the Dodgers.
Something needs to be done and I don't care how you do it, but you have to find room for Vientos' bat in this lineup. You simply have to try. This team, as constructed, is going to need to score more runs to get where they need to go.
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Really? News to me. How is LG in the 8 hole significantly worse than other 8 hitters? Our catchers suck (like most catchers) but isnt that the entire purpose of looking at overall offense? It's 4th!!! Would have signed up for the 4th best offense in baseball back in the offseason? Why are we bitching and moaning about the 4th best offense??
You know full well I was referring to Escobar.
ANd our catchers don't just "suck", they are historically bad.
I dont care if you were referencing Escobar or not. The truth is LG will get most of the ABs in the 8 hole. So you screaming about the 8 and 9 hole is still pointless.
And again? Who gives a shit about the catchers? They are our catchers? There are no replacements coming. We have the best prospect in baseball set to take over soon. Why are you crying about it? Would would you like the Mets to do at catcher while they are waiting on Alvarez?
did you go off your meds or something? if your going to jam up every thread with stuff the rest of the way just give notice so we can mute accordingly.
I dont care if you were referencing Escobar or not. The truth is LG will get most of the ABs in the 8 hole. So you screaming about the 8 and 9 hole is still pointless.
And again? Who gives a shit about the catchers? They are our catchers? There are no replacements coming. We have the best prospect in baseball set to take over soon. Why are you crying about it? Would would you like the Mets to do at catcher while they are waiting on Alvarez?
Sigh....
Escobar has been playing for the last three weeks, and will play at least one more week. So yes, that's a huge black hole for 25-30 games.
ANd never said they could do anything about catcher, just pointing out what a huge black hole is. And when ruf plays, that's three holes.
Speaking of Ruf - big spot here
Wow, I love that steal. I love small ball.
It is about how this team is obviously scuffling offensively, it's clear there needs to be something to energize this offense. I get it with Marrero, as he backs up multiple infield positions. And ok, you don't like Vientos' defense at 3rd.
But what if he comes up and doesn't hurt you defensively and hits? Escobar can be the utility guy, get the guy with the thunder in his bat. This team lost 1-0 to the Rockies with Scherzer on the mound. They scored 3 runs in a loss to the Dodgers Tuesday on Walker's start, and scored 2 runs in a win with deGrom last night.
Today it's the bottom of the 6th and they just got their 2nd hit (infield) and are down 2-1. *EDIT* 2-2 now after Lindor's double. Pete Alonso had a .754 OPS in the month of August.
Vogelbach, Ruf, and Naquin have all been scuffling as of late.
This isn't sustainable and they are in a division race, to say nothing about any chances of catching the Dodgers.
Something needs to be done and I don't care how you do it, but you have to find room for Vientos' bat in this lineup. You simply have to try. This team, as constructed, is going to need to score more runs to get where they need to go.
Its not happening. The sooner you and others come to grips that Vientos IS NOT COMING, the better off these threads will be. And you dont bench players in the middle of good seasons every time they "scuffle" or go cold.
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Really? News to me. How is LG in the 8 hole significantly worse than other 8 hitters? Our catchers suck (like most catchers) but isnt that the entire purpose of looking at overall offense? It's 4th!!! Would have signed up for the 4th best offense in baseball back in the offseason? Why are we bitching and moaning about the 4th best offense??
You know full well I was referring to Escobar.
ANd our catchers don't just "suck", they are historically bad.
I dont care if you were referencing Escobar or not. The truth is LG will get most of the ABs in the 8 hole. So you screaming about the 8 and 9 hole is still pointless.
And again? Who gives a shit about the catchers? They are our catchers? There are no replacements coming. We have the best prospect in baseball set to take over soon. Why are you crying about it? Would would you like the Mets to do at catcher while they are waiting on Alvarez?
did you go off your meds or something? if your going to jam up every thread with stuff the rest of the way just give notice so we can mute accordingly.
lol fuck off.
That steal paid off...
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Really? News to me. How is LG in the 8 hole significantly worse than other 8 hitters? Our catchers suck (like most catchers) but isnt that the entire purpose of looking at overall offense? It's 4th!!! Would have signed up for the 4th best offense in baseball back in the offseason? Why are we bitching and moaning about the 4th best offense??
You know full well I was referring to Escobar.
ANd our catchers don't just "suck", they are historically bad.
I dont care if you were referencing Escobar or not. The truth is LG will get most of the ABs in the 8 hole. So you screaming about the 8 and 9 hole is still pointless.
And again? Who gives a shit about the catchers? They are our catchers? There are no replacements coming. We have the best prospect in baseball set to take over soon. Why are you crying about it? Would would you like the Mets to do at catcher while they are waiting on Alvarez?
did you go off your meds or something? if your going to jam up every thread with stuff the rest of the way just give notice so we can mute accordingly.
lol fuck off.
likewise, enjoy the rest of your season.
He's had one good AB since he got here, lol. He needs to have a few more before I'm OK with leaving him in the lineup...
Who pitches the 7th? Lugo?
Ugh - May makes me nervous
Gotta think so
Wouldnt be surprised if Buck tries to go May, Givens, Diaz or something like that unfortunately.
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Ugh - May makes me nervous
They all give me agita to some extent other than Diaz. May and Givens are on another level though, lol.
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Here comes May to pitch the 7th. I thought he'd come in for the 8th though. I'm guessing Lugo comes in for the 8th if things remain as they are.
Ugh - May makes me nervous
They all give me agita to some extent other than Diaz. May and Givens are on another level though, lol.
Ha!
i know both pitched yesterday but both should be on the table today. diaz threw 9 pitches and otto threw 16 yesterday.
I think you're onto something there. Let's see what they experiment with down the stretch.
I'll give him his props. ALmost interference there on Betts on strike 3 when McCan't thew that ball to second.
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I'll give him his props. ALmost interference there on Betts on strike 3 when McCan't thew that ball to second.
Yes, coming back from 3-0 to get Betts was impressive
I mean this in a peaceful way man, don't you think you're a little too biased when it comes to Alderson.
I think you need to look at the guy's body of work as a Mets executive for 2 different eras.
Wilpons and Cohen years. I refuse to hold anyone's performance hostage during the wilpons era. I think those owners and their meddling ways circumvented a lot of baseball decisions.
Also Cohen specifically wanted Sandy as his 2nd in command for a reason. And those 2 brought us Buck and Alderson
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Yes, Alderson did some good things this winter. He was bad again in building the bullpen and bad again at the deadline
I mean this in a peaceful way man, don't you think you're a little too biased when it comes to Alderson.
I think you need to look at the guy's body of work as a Mets executive for 2 different eras.
Wilpons and Cohen years. I refuse to hold anyone's performance hostage during the wilpons era. I think those owners and their meddling ways circumvented a lot of baseball decisions.
Also Cohen specifically wanted Sandy as his 2nd in command for a reason. And those 2 brought us Buck and Alderson
Eppler*
so much for the no hit catchers comment last night, whoever that was :)
fuck yea 5-2 good guys
98 mph line out (.650 xba)
102 mph double (.450 xba)
so 3 hard hit balls in 1 game and the least likely to fall in ends up the double that leads to a big insurance run.
ruf's sac fly was 103 mph and that's the exact type of at bat he's been great at. hopefully both he and mccann can get on a roll and get some confidence as the team starts facing lesser pitchers.
Road runner!
That would be why he should be on the postseason roster
9 year career apparently
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Road runner!
9 year career apparently
Career in postseason: 0-2 in 10 games. 3 runs. 5-6 in SB
Yeah... we can play anyone.
Yeah... we can play anyone.
Astros are the only team they have looked overmatched against, but I believe they were without deGrom and Scherzer. Still, if the Mets are still in it, I root for the Astros to lose, even (puke!) to the Yankees
Rory - it's not bias against Alderson, it's telling the truth
if they can somehow get peterson or megill (or both) comfortable out of the pen they will have 4 really solid options.
mccann, ruf, and mehscobar all showed signs of life at the plate need and that continuing would be very big.
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4-3 on the season series.
Yeah... we can play anyone.
Astros are the only team they have looked overmatched against, but I believe they were without deGrom and Scherzer. Still, if the Mets are still in it, I root for the Astros to lose, even (puke!) to the Yankees
the alvarez injury may resolve that one for them.
Braves are playing the Rockies again in Atlanta. It's scoreless now in the Top of the 2nd. "Lucky" Strider is pitching for the Barfs and Kuhl is on the mound for the Rox. Here are the standings now (Phillies are off today), not counting the Braves game that's in progress (a link for the box score to the Braves game is below along with a link to watch it):
Rockies @ Braves - 9/1/22 - 7:20 PM EST start from Atlanta - Braves feed
Box Score for Rockies @ Braves - 9/2/22 - ( New Window )
the mets lost the first 2 games in extra innings each by 1 run sparking a 5 game losing streak that took them out of 1st place and under .500. that series was obviously the last time they were in first place.
this year they lose a heart breaker on timmy trumpets night but come right back and in total team efforts win a 1 run game and then a 2 run game. run prevention, a hitting approach devoted to grinding at bats, and a well managed bullpen just helped win probably the biggest series of the year and they did it with just 1 RBI from Alonso and Lindor combined (who have to this point produced almost half of the teams runs).
Final Box Score for Dodgers at Mets today - 9/1/22 - ( New Window )
2 C
7 IF
5 OF
*Carrasco isn't on it yet, but will be pitching in three days on September 4th.
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@PSLToFlushing
Tylor Megill struck out the first batter of his rehab outing for
@RumblePoniesBB
. Fastball was at 96 mph
What's gonna happen to Peterson on Sunday when Cookie pitches?
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What's gonna happen to Peterson on Sunday when Cookie pitches?
My guess is they move Peterson to the pen after Friday.
Either way - time to take care of business vs the weaklings now
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if Carrasco is indeed healthy enough to start
What's gonna happen to Peterson on Sunday when Cookie pitches?
My guess is they move Peterson to the pen after Friday.
Ya think the might try a 6-man rotation w/ both Peterson and Cookie part of the rotation? Or will they start to experiment with Peterson in the bullpen from there on out?
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if Carrasco is indeed healthy enough to start
What's gonna happen to Peterson on Sunday when Cookie pitches?
My guess is they move Peterson to the pen after Friday.
Yep. Hope he's ready. He walks too many people for my liking, but he is a lefty....
Diaz
Ottavino
Megill
Lugo
Lucchesi
J Rod
Peterson
May
Givens
Williams
Diaz
Ottavino
Megill
Lugo
Lucchesi
J Rod
Peterson
May
Givens
Williams
When is Drew Smith gonna be ready?
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Diaz
Ottavino
Megill
Lugo
Lucchesi
J Rod
Peterson
May
Givens
Williams
When is Drew Smith gonna be ready?
Soon but he has options and we cant bring up everyone. As it is, my list has 9. Probably will come down to Lucchesi or Smith.
SNY Mets
@SNY_Mets
Tylor Megill struck out the side in his rehab start for Double-A Binghamton.
Megill was up to 97 mph 💪
SNY Mets
@SNY_Mets
Tylor Megill struck out the side in his rehab start for Double-A Binghamton.
Megill was up to 97 mph 💪
How many appearances for Megill till he's called up? I think i read 4-5?
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@SNY_Mets
Tylor Megill struck out the side in his rehab start for Double-A Binghamton.
Megill was up to 97 mph 💪
How many appearances for Megill till he's called up? I think i read 4-5?
Sounds about right. So figure he'll be up in like a week.
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Could look something like:
Diaz
Ottavino
Megill
Lugo
Lucchesi
J Rod
Peterson
May
Givens
Williams
When is Drew Smith gonna be ready?
Soon but he has options and we cant bring up everyone. As it is, my list has 9. Probably will come down to Lucchesi or Smith.
With Peterson, can't they demote Joely?
Not suprising. but at least NYM took care of business today
Ahhh. Thanks
It seemed a lot different at the game Rockies compared with Dodgers. Dodgers is like a playoff game . Same thing when they play the Yankees
It seemed a lot different at the game Rockies compared with Dodgers. Dodgers is like a playoff game . Same thing when they play the Yankees
LOL, no way. They were amped up for this series.
Sandy Alcantara
RHP
12-6, 2.13 ERA, 167 SO
VS.
Charlie Morton
RHP
6-5, 4.10 ERA, 168 SO
Game #2 Saturday:
Edward Cabrera
RHP
4-2, 2.45 ERA, 48 SO
VS.
Jake Odorizzi
RHP
5-5, 3.90 ERA, 65 SO
Game #3 Sunday:
Pablo Lopez
RHP
8-8, 3.64 ERA, 142 SO
VS.
Max Fried
LHP
12-5, 2.56 ERA, 143 SO
**I'm hoping we get an assist tomorrow from the Marlins with Alcantara pitching against Morton.
Probable Starting Pitchers for 3-game Marlins @ Braves series starting tomorrow - ( New Window )
It seemed a lot different at the game Rockies compared with Dodgers. Dodgers is like a playoff game . Same thing when they play the Yankees
The Mets were GASSED when they played the Yankees in the BX the last time. It was the end of a 10 game road trip w/out any off days and a double header less than 48 hours earlier.
Jansen is up, lets see how he does
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is not so much about the last couple of guys on the roster.
It is about how this team is obviously scuffling offensively, it's clear there needs to be something to energize this offense. I get it with Marrero, as he backs up multiple infield positions. And ok, you don't like Vientos' defense at 3rd.
But what if he comes up and doesn't hurt you defensively and hits? Escobar can be the utility guy, get the guy with the thunder in his bat. This team lost 1-0 to the Rockies with Scherzer on the mound. They scored 3 runs in a loss to the Dodgers Tuesday on Walker's start, and scored 2 runs in a win with deGrom last night.
Today it's the bottom of the 6th and they just got their 2nd hit (infield) and are down 2-1. *EDIT* 2-2 now after Lindor's double. Pete Alonso had a .754 OPS in the month of August.
Vogelbach, Ruf, and Naquin have all been scuffling as of late.
This isn't sustainable and they are in a division race, to say nothing about any chances of catching the Dodgers.
Something needs to be done and I don't care how you do it, but you have to find room for Vientos' bat in this lineup. You simply have to try. This team, as constructed, is going to need to score more runs to get where they need to go.
Its not happening. The sooner you and others come to grips that Vientos IS NOT COMING, the better off these threads will be. And you dont bench players in the middle of good seasons every time they "scuffle" or go cold.
WHAT?! Who said anything about benching anyone but Escobar? Escobar isn't "going cold," he's been cold all year. I'm just talking about getting a big bat in the lineup that the lineup sorely needs. I'm not sure where you come off with that last sentence. Odd statement to say.
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ICYMI: New York Mets' Francisco Alvarez Avoids Serious Injury
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Sweep the Nats, and hope the Fins can take a game or 2 from the Braves. I like the pitching matchups in that series.
Marte has arguably been the Mets best player because of his consistency and big hits in critical situations. He is a huge bargain at 18 million per, especially when you consider he has nursed a groin injury all year
I wasn't going crazy over the signing (good or bad), but I liked a lot about his game.
I think he seems like a good fit with how the Mets want to beat teams.
I wasn't going crazy over the signing (good or bad), but I liked a lot about his game.
I think he seems like a good fit with how the Mets want to beat teams.
Good point about fit. You could say the same about Canha. Very valuable to the Mets because of how he fits with their approach.