Julian Love

Want him back but depends on the $.

Our most consistent guy in the defensive backfield all season long...keep him

Good, not exceptional.

Average athlete. Rather play pinnock with belton coming off the bench. Pinnock’s burst jumps off the screen. I say let love walk unless he gives us a home town discount.

Very replaceable. His lack of length shows up all over. He’s always in position to make a play but rarely does. We can do a lot better next to X than love and I’m a fan of his. For the right price I’d bring him back but we need to upgrade that position.

I'd like him back but also don't want to overspend. With McKinney's contract coming up, it's not good allocation of resources having two high paid safeties.

Julian Love. Guys can nitpick at his game but he showed up when we needed him.

Smart, tough to teach instincts, makes plays.

Love made a lot of key plays last year -- he had a ton of production. He's an above average hard hitting tackler too.

He is 4th on my list of priority NYG free agents:

1. Jones
2. Barkley
3. Ward
4. Love

If they have the money and the deal isn't insane then I am all for bringing him back. He is the type of player NYG loves.

All that said, I think he is gone, unfortunately.

But not an elite athlete. Would want him back, but not paying him Top 10 safety money

I feel like the roster construction hinges on the DJ contract.

In this new NFL, when QBs take up between 20-25% of the cap, Schoen will need to be careful where he allocates funds to the rest of the roster.

Love is a good player to have, but he isn't a game wrecker, or someone really scaring offensive coordinators.

I think the sad truth is a QB with a big contract makes it difficult to keep many of these types of players.

Good productive football player
Played really well when McKinnie was injured

he is good for what he is.. but you have McKinney who is a better player coming up next year for a deal. Who do you want. Love or McKinney? I'll take a chance with McKinney, Belton and Pinnock and draft a guy rather than pay love the 7 million ish he is probably going to command.

Was a better player and more accomplished and the Giants let him walk. Love is smart, tough, dependable, but if the price isn’t right, we should let him walk.

But I don’t like him as much as most seem to. I’d like him back but won’t be mad if he leaves.

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Was a better player and more accomplished and the Giants let him walk. Love is smart, tough, dependable, but if the price isn’t right, we should let him walk.

And bring back Dalvin Tomlinson!

pretty much never injured, good locker room guy and makes plays, has come into his own in Wink's system. wouldn't pay him absurd money obviously but definitely want him back as a very valuable starter.

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he is good for what he is.. but you have McKinney who is a better player coming up next year for a deal. Who do you want. Love or McKinney? I'll take a chance with McKinney, Belton and Pinnock and draft a guy rather than pay love the 7 million ish he is probably going to command.

I don’t understand this logic. Why does it matter that they play the same position?

With the Cover 2 looks predominating today, safeties aren’t some second class position. They are vital. And Love is just a good football player. To me, he’s more important than Barkley.

but Love is a good player in his own right. Also seems to have really taken to the leadership/face of NYG role.

very much like to resign Love, but think he will be offered more by another team than what the Giants will be comfortable spending. As others have said, McKinney is coming up for an extension, and we have Belton and Pinnock.

Of Belton as well. Obviously had his struggles his rookie season, but had enough splashes to say he will be a good player moving forward.

he's a solid player, but Giants also have to extend McKinney soon.

I don't think the Giants should offer more than 7mil per year, and I could see Love testing the market in hopes of getting close to 10m per. Which IMO is way too steep for a box safety.

But I'm not sure I'd want the Giants to offer him something that would have him shut down his recruitment basically. I have a feeling he'll hit free agency and hopefully he has a good enough relationship with the team that he gives them the option to match before signing elsewhere.

I think he'll get a chance to go out and see, but ultimately give the Giants a chance to match.

At least I hope :)

He's asking coincides with the Giants.

and has proven to be a valuable piece of our defense. Combined with McKinney, they form a very good safety tandem. I’d like to keep him, but on a reasonable deal, of course. We’ve got some big time contracts coming up soon in Thomas, Lawrence and McKinney too. I’d have to say, and yea it’s been said before, but Gettleman sucked as a GM! He built this team entirely wrong....took the wrong approach and were suffering for it. I think it’s going to get better now, but man did he put us behind the 8 ball in a number of ways.

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Was a better player and more accomplished and the Giants let him walk. Love is smart, tough, dependable, but if the price isn’t right, we should let him walk.

Because Dalvin got $10M per and the Giants already had a better lineman in line to replace him - Dexter Lawrence.

Love is very good, but if he wants $8M or more, then let him go. I do like the potential and athleticism of Pinnock and Belton, but Love does add versatility back there.

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In comment 16046215 JoeyBigBlue said: Quote: Was a better player and more accomplished and the Giants let him walk. Love is smart, tough, dependable, but if the price isn’t right, we should let him walk. Because Dalvin got $10M per and the Giants already had a better lineman in line to replace him - Dexter Lawrence. Love is very good, but if he wants $8M or more, then let him go. I do like the potential and athleticism of Pinnock and Belton, but Love does add versatility back there.

Dalvin got 3 years and 22 million from the Vikings IIRC. Not a huge contract for a really good player. Love should not get more than that.

to a reasonable deal.

No brainer.

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Very replaceable. His lack of length shows up all over. He’s always in position to make a play but rarely does. We can do a lot better next to X than love and I’m a fan of his. For the right price I’d bring him back but we need to upgrade that position.

You are wrong on everything you said. Absolutely dead wrong.

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Dalvin got 3 years and 22 million from the Vikings IIRC. Not a huge contract for a really good player. Love should not get more than that.

He got 2 yr, $21M with $20.8M guaranteed. I like him but that's a lot for a third interior DL. Austin Johnson got 2 yr, $14M with $10.6M guaranteed. Slightly better but again, third DL. Dexter mans the NT and you want an eater to help these guys on pure run downs and to help them not be used so much.

Lead the team in total tackles, solo tackles and assists, 2 ints, a fumble recovery and a sack. Want him back. Pay him.

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Was a better player and more accomplished and the Giants let him walk. Love is smart, tough, dependable, but if the price isn’t right, we should let him walk.

This. Then again if they hadn't flushed all that cash down the shitter on Golladay they probably could have kept DT.

McKinney and Dex are coming up. This isn't about Love not worth being re-upped. But they can't over pay. Same for DJ and Barkley. At some point you can't be dumb. And our last two GMs weren't even smart enough to be considered dumb sadly. .

...but you can't overpay.

I'm disappointed they couldn't extend him during the year - which I believed they try to do which meant a deal that works for BOTH sides.

Now, I think you have to overpay potentially and it's going to be 50/50 whether he comes back.

He's a good player and leader - but not a difference maker that you over pay for IMO.

Giants will let the market dictate on him I'm sure.

He plays so many positions which is what you need. He may not be an all pro but he is exactly the type of player you need to resign. He is probably one of the most important players we have on D he just doesnt make spectacular plays often. He may not have been listed as a starter but he has played over 50% of the snaps on D the last 3 years.

Now obviously you dont want to overpay him but I definitely want him back. I feel like some people dont watch the games to know howmuch he does on D.

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Lead the team in total tackles, solo tackles and assists, 2 ints, a fumble recovery and a sack. Want him back. Pay him.

Go watch the Eagles playoff game. Hurts and Goeddert abused him in coverage .

Good teams have football guys like Love. NYG should look to keep him.

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In comment 16046359 BillT said: Quote: Lead the team in total tackles, solo tackles and assists, 2 ints, a fumble recovery and a sack. Want him back. Pay him. Go watch the Eagles playoff game. Hurts and Goeddert abused him in coverage .

So 1 game where the entire D failed? Can’t make decisions like that. You don’t break the bank for Love but I think he should be brought back for market rate. Safeties aren’t making a ton.

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In comment 16046359 BillT said: Quote: Lead the team in total tackles, solo tackles and assists, 2 ints, a fumble recovery and a sack. Want him back. Pay him. Go watch the Eagles playoff game. Hurts and Goeddert abused him in coverage .

Go watch the other 18 freaking games. The entire team sucked against the Eagles including the HC, OC and DC. This was a poorly coached game - an abomination. Absolute failure of the staff and the entire team suffered.
Absolutely Love played poorly.

Isn't Love repped by Rosenhaus?

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In comment 16046390 JoeyBigBlue said: Quote: In comment 16046359 BillT said: Quote: Lead the team in total tackles, solo tackles and assists, 2 ints, a fumble recovery and a sack. Want him back. Pay him. Go watch the Eagles playoff game. Hurts and Goeddert abused him in coverage . So 1 game where the entire D failed? Can’t make decisions like that. You don’t break the bank for Love but I think he should be brought back for market rate. Safeties aren’t making a ton.

All I’m saying is that you make him an offer of 5 to 6 mill a year at most, 2 to 3 years. If he wants more than you let him walk. He’s a good player, but he has limitations.

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All I’m saying is that you make him an offer of 5 to 6 mill a year at most, 2 to 3 years. If he wants more than you let him walk. He’s a good player, but he has limitations.

Well, then say that. But, he's likely to get more than $5/$6 mill per...Belton and/or Pinnock could be his replacement if he wants too much.

he shouldn’t be a top paid Safety but a rung below seems reasonable. A guy like Hooker has a 3 year 30m deal with 17m guaranteed, for example.

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In comment 16046437 JoeyBigBlue said: Quote: All I’m saying is that you make him an offer of 5 to 6 mill a year at most, 2 to 3 years. If he wants more than you let him walk. He’s a good player, but he has limitations. Well, then say that. But, he's likely to get more than $5/$6 mill per...Belton and/or Pinnock could be his replacement if he wants too much.

Reread the opening post

People saying he did so much so we should re sign him. Being able to play multiple positions at an average at best level isn't some big deal. I dont think hes a bad player, but he doesnt deserve a big pay day simply for being available. We have been bad for so long, a lot of you guys are mistaking average for really good. He’s a good dude, and a nice locker room presence, but we can and should do better.

and all of our free agents. How closely will he stick to his introductory presser where he said he’d prefer to keep homegrown talent vs building through free agency. I’m sure he’ll do some of both, but I’m curious if he might slightly overpay if necessary to keep our own.

Like many on here I’d like to see Love back at areasonable cost, and I’ll trust JS to determine what is reasonable. Also, any reasonable deal could look like a bargain a few years down the line with cap inflation, so a longer type deal with easy out clauses might be the way to go.

In general, and as fan, I value continuity and expect better cohesion and development when players gain experience in the same system with teammates over time. The recent massive roster turnover over the last several years due to incessant coaching changes made that impossible.

In comment 16046448 JoeyBigBlue said:

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In comment 16046442 section125 said: Quote: In comment 16046437 JoeyBigBlue said: Quote: All I’m saying is that you make him an offer of 5 to 6 mill a year at most, 2 to 3 years. If he wants more than you let him walk. He’s a good player, but he has limitations. Well, then say that. But, he's likely to get more than $5/$6 mill per...Belton and/or Pinnock could be his replacement if he wants too much. Reread the opening post

Sorry Joey, I don't memorize the opening posts, especially hours in. I was reacting to basically what was a put down. I would say, go reread what Sy has to say about Love, but you probably didn't remember that, understandable.
Yes, Love isn't a superstar, but he is a reliable, above average safety that could play CB if needed. He is virtually never out of position and one of the best tacklers on the team.
Right now, neither Belton or Pinnock are really close to replacing Love based on last year. I did see good things, but Belton was passed by Pinnock by the end of the year.

Unfortunately, Jones' contract or lack thereof, may cost the Giants both Barkley and Love. Some look at the tag as a great thing and I look at it as a killer move. Wrapping up $32 mill until and if a contract is agreed to just freezes a ton of the available money.

Always a dependable supply from the college and pro ranks.

So, I can buy moving on to a cheaper alternative.

On the other hand, Love is a reliable playmaker and seems to be getting better every year. I'd certainly rather keep him than Leonard Williams or Barkley because he would certainly be much cheaper with a better ROI. And that's key because you can also find plenty of good RBs and DTs.

When McKinney was out, Love still played OK, but not special. He was having a great season before the ATV accident.

The bottom line is I would like to have him back, but I wouldn't break the bank for him.

because it took a strength and made it a weakness, especially with the LB corps disaster and the injuries sustained and played through by Jackson, LW, Thibs and Ojulari. It was basically up to Dex and Love to shoulder the birder for a huge chunk of the season.

Long story short, Love played really well in 2022 and I want him back at a fair price. $5-$6m seems unreasonably low and I wouldn’t want to lose a player like him for a couple million on top of that.

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because it took a strength and made it a weakness, especially with the LB corps disaster and the injuries sustained and played through by Jackson, LW, Thibs and Ojulari. It was basically up to Dex and Love to shoulder the birder for a huge chunk of the season. Long story short, Love played really well in 2022 and I want him back at a fair price. $5-$6m seems unreasonably low and I wouldn’t want to lose a player like him for a couple million on top of that.

Would you rather overpay him , or keep your eye on extending/re-signing Lawrence, for example?

like some others here. But Safeties are cheap so paying Love shouldn’t result in not being able to sign others. He’s a young ascending player, exactly the type of player you pay to keep and expect a good ROI.

LW I really like but the decision to extend him would come more in play if we needed room to add to the interior of the OL. I don’t think we will be big players in FA but I can definitely see a major upgrade at C or Guard as Schoens big splash this offseason. But if you think LW has 3 good years left then an extension works just fine for me.

paying Love, obviously that would impact the cap. I meant to say paying Love what he’s worth (so more than $6m using an example from this thread) shouldn’t prevent us from making other moves. That $2-3m extra won’t be a deal breaker for other players we want.

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Always a dependable supply from the college and pro ranks. So, I can buy moving on to a cheaper alternative. On the other hand, Love is a reliable playmaker and seems to be getting better every year. I'd certainly rather keep him than Leonard Williams or Barkley because he would certainly be much cheaper with a better ROI. And that's key because you can also find plenty of good RBs and DTs.

Bw - I think this is an outdated position, given how defensive play callers have successfully limited offensive big plays using deep S looks. You’ll recall how the circa 2023 Bucs were all built around high level S play. Love is a vital piece of our D and having two very good safeties was a hidden factor behind the the D performing despite some gaping talent vacancies in the front 7.

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Bw - I think this is an outdated position, given how defensive play callers have successfully limited offensive big plays using deep S looks. You’ll recall how the circa 2023 Bucs were all built around high level S play. Love is a vital piece of our D and having two very good safeties was a hidden factor behind the the D performing despite some gaping talent vacancies in the front 7.

Like I said, let's keep Love at the right price. And I agree that he's has proven to be a quality player.

But I still maintain that the position is easy to fill, which means a team shouldn't have a high spend rate to find solutions there. I can't remember the last time when a highly paid safety duo - because Team McKinney will be big contract hunting next - were part of a SB winning team. Maybe Seattle with Chancellor and Thomas?

I think they are at their best when McKinney and Love are paired and a 3rd S is employed. But, they have at least 3 other decent options to pair with McKinney and fill the extra S slot when called for. I think S is the last position on the D of this roster to worry about.

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Joe Schoen says he will circle back with Julian Love’s agent Drew Rosenhaus this week. Schoen says some safeties might be released around the league & NYG will see if there is a market surplus and what that means for Love’s value. Says they love Julian. Interesting.



Sounds like Schoen isn’t prioritizing re-signing Love. Love is represented by Rosenhaus so he isn’t going to come cheap.

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Pat Leonard @PLeonardNYDN · 6m Joe Schoen says he will circle back with Julian Love’s agent Drew Rosenhaus this week. Schoen says some safeties might be released around the league & NYG will see if there is a market surplus and what that means for Love’s value. Says they love Julian. Interesting. Sounds like Schoen isn’t prioritizing re-signing Love. Love is represented by Rosenhaus so he isn’t going to come cheap.

Schoen on Love*. edit

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Pat Leonard @PLeonardNYDN · 6m Joe Schoen says he will circle back with Julian Love’s agent Drew Rosenhaus this week. Schoen says some safeties might be released around the league & NYG will see if there is a market surplus and what that means for Love’s value. Says they love Julian. Interesting. Sounds like Schoen isn’t prioritizing re-signing Love. Love is represented by Rosenhaus so he isn’t going to come cheap.

Safety is a very fungible position for sure. With XM's negotiations on the horizon, that position could become too expensive if we sign both.

Love played very well against the run,but when he was lined up single high,he was worthless. In some cases,he took bad angles on the ball and in others he was plain out beat.
I hope he gets kicked to the curb,We can do way better!!

Joey,
With all due respect, Love is a jack of all trades,MASTER of none.He is the definition of mediocre.He is easily replaced.I am amazed how many TD's he gave up.

Good against the run,Horrid as last chance defense Vs the pass!!

I like the approach of not paying big FA dollars for the premium positions unless they are your own, and instead get the better players at cheaper positions to offset risk. Getting a good safety resigned along with adding one of the better Linebackers and hopefully drafting a CB high can really improve this defense dramatically for not that much money.

It’s one game so I don’t want to extrapolate but on the Eagles loaded 2022 defense, they had exceptional talent all over the squad. Except at safety, where they started unexceptional players. And they couldn’t stop Mahomes when it counted. It wasn’t just one game - there was an interesting pre Super Bowl thread here about how the Eagles D had been gashed by the superior offenses (which proved true v the Chiefs).

Meanwhile the Giants D had absolutely no talent at several positions yet was consistently effective, contained opponents and often was excellent.

Why? I’d argue that having two very good players at safety limited big gains, forced the opposition to walk down the field and as a consequence allowed Daboll to play conservatively on offense. Love and McKinney were key reasons why the defense was so good even with the questionable LB corps.

I just think not resigning Love would be a critical error. He’s just much more important to the team than Saquon. My two cents.

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I just think not resigning Love would be a critical error. He’s just much more important to the team than Saquon. My two cents.

I’m not advocating signing Barkley long term, but to say Love is more important than Barkley is nonsense. Barkley won games for us. He basically carried us the first half of the season. Love is a nice player, but his production is easily replaceable.

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I just think not resigning Love would be a critical error. He’s just much more important to the team than Saquon. My two cents.

From my end, I can live with re-signing Love. But something is going to have to give 365 days from now because Team McKinney is going to be looking for big money next. And Team Thomas is going to be looking for big money.

IMV, I don't want a lot of dollars invested in safety. I'd rather deploy dollars in more critical positions.

I get you point, but I'm going to stand by the trends that show you don't need big money safeties to win big.

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In comment 16047681 cosmicj said: Quote: I just think not resigning Love would be a critical error. He’s just much more important to the team than Saquon. My two cents. I’m not advocating signing Barkley long term, but to say Love is more important than Barkley is nonsense. Barkley won games for us. He basically carried us the first half of the season. Love is a nice player, but his production is easily replaceable.

This debate would ideally examine yardage. Love is a very good tackler and that means that he saves us significant yardage allowed on the defensive end vs a replacement level S.

Barkley also generates significant yardage vs a replacement level RB. But just because SB is carrying the ball while Love isn’t by itself doesn’t mean squat.

I don’t think which is more valuable id cut and dried at all. In fact. I would guess that the net yardage impact from Love is bigger than Barkley. That’s one of my reasons for making my statement.

Another is that the heart of the Giants is their defense, right now. The offense is mediocre; their defense is very good and I believe poised to get better.

And another is that Love plays every game. He’s available. And is likely to be play at his current level through say a 3-year contract.

fair enough. Of course, I’m arguing that trend is in the process of changing. I’m sure we’ll be debating this specific issue in the future!

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In comment 16047715 JoeyBigBlue said: Quote: In comment 16047681 cosmicj said: Quote: I just think not resigning Love would be a critical error. He’s just much more important to the team than Saquon. My two cents. I’m not advocating signing Barkley long term, but to say Love is more important than Barkley is nonsense. Barkley won games for us. He basically carried us the first half of the season. Love is a nice player, but his production is easily replaceable. This debate would ideally examine yardage. Love is a very good tackler and that means that he saves us significant yardage allowed on the defensive end vs a replacement level S. Barkley also generates significant yardage vs a replacement level RB. But just because SB is carrying the ball while Love isn’t by itself doesn’t mean squat. I don’t think which is more valuable id cut and dried at all. In fact. I would guess that the net yardage impact from Love is bigger than Barkley. That’s one of my reasons for making my statement. Another is that the heart of the Giants is their defense, right now. The offense is mediocre; their defense is very good and I believe poised to get better. And another is that Love plays every game. He’s available. And is likely to be play at his current level through say a 3-year contract.

You can twist all you want but Barkley is a much better player than Love is. Barkley won us the Titans game, he won us the Bears game, and he was instrumental in us winning the Packers, Ravens, and Jaguars game this season.

I’m presenting you with an argument about why Love is a more valuable player than Saquon.

Every time Love makes an open field tackle, he is subtracting yards from the opposition. Every time Barkley makes a long run, he is adding to the Giants totals. Which is total is larger?