Quickley can step into that scoring/distributor role, defense may be a little better with quick..
Hart may need to score a little more off the bench, deuce can step into the hustle defender role off the bench
As good as Brunson is, IQ is a more than adequate replacement and — as you said — the Knicks have enough depth to manage while he's out.
How weird is it to say that about the Knicks? For years and years, it's felt like they were one injury away from disaster. Now, about the only player they can't afford to lose is Randle (speaking of things that are weird to say). I don't think Toppin is close to being able to pick up the slack for a full game, never mind an extended absence. Hope we don't have to find out anytime soon.
I'd love for Duece to get some minutes. Smart is a guy that can hurt us. We need perimeter defense tonight. Quickley and Hart will be key but so will Grimes and hopefully Duece.
And replace the scoring with Brunson out.
I would rather see Fournier get burn than McBride.
McBride and Hart can play D but are not going add enough on the offensive end.
And replace the scoring with Brunson out.
I would rather see Fournier get burn than McBride.
McBride and Hart can play D but are not going add enough on the offensive end.
Quickley can step in and score, he is averaging 15 effeciently playing off of Brunson and Randle...
Hart has proven he can score when he needs to, he gets easy buckets in transition and so far has hit the 3..
Would be a great time for Rj to step up and hit some shots..
Knicks have plenty to step in and score, you cant replace Brunson's poise and clutch shots down the stretch, that is where the Knicks need to step up and figure out hoe to finish
They’ll be fine and probably will make the play-in. Knicks are above them though. Tonight will be a tall task, would love a close game. Have to figure the Knicks are a bit drained emotionally and Boston is angry off that Nets loss.
RE: A lot of that Net talk was prematurely it looks like
They’ll be fine and probably will make the play-in. Knicks are above them though. Tonight will be a tall task, would love a close game. Have to figure the Knicks are a bit drained emotionally and Boston is angry off that Nets loss.
Charlotte is horrible and tanking, nets dont have a bad team but againdt good teams they will struggle to close out games because they dont have a closer, onviousoy they will have games like they did vs Bostonn..
But if ever it was appropriate it's tonight. We beat them bad this week, they just lost their worst game of the year at home. You get the feeling we could show up with a starting lineup of Reed, Ewing, Clyde Melo and Spree with Houston as the 6th man and we'd have trouble winning this one.
But if ever it was appropriate it's tonight. We beat them bad this week, they just lost their worst game of the year at home. You get the feeling we could show up with a starting lineup of Reed, Ewing, Clyde Melo and Spree with Houston as the 6th man and we'd have trouble winning this one.
Yup, 3-1 is a good week, not conceding but i am not going to get mad at a loss tonight..
And replace the scoring with Brunson out.
I would rather see Fournier get burn than McBride.
McBride and Hart can play D but are not going add enough on the offensive end.
Just a guess but I think we see the 10 man rotation tonight with IQ starting and both Fournier and McBride getting some minutes.
Brunson is a lot to replace.
OKC “managing” SGA’s minutes down the stretch - i.e., tanking.
We seem to frustrate them when we play them. Brunson is a huge loss though. Expect Boston to double Randle early and often. We need others to hit open shots.
Not sure what is separating Sam Presti from Sam Hinkie at this point.
It’s ridiculous and this should be something that bumps SGA out of all nba. He was incredible but if he’s gonna be getting limited mini items and missing games then he shouldn’t be receiving votes
Not sure what is separating Sam Presti from Sam Hinkie at this point.
It’s ridiculous and this should be something that bumps SGA out of all nba. He was incredible but if he’s gonna be getting limited mini items and missing games then he shouldn’t be receiving votes
Presti is very good at acquiring picks but is a little overrated in my opinion, he got KD, Westbrook and Harden and maybe in any other city he wins because they would of paid all 3 but what has he done since?
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Scoring is up around the league - but this is still impressive, especially considering they can't hit free throws and a below average shooter (RJ, duh) takes so many shots.
Brunson is so good at breaking down a defense and getting into the paint. IQ is not as good at that as Brunson.
They penetrate differently, Quickley is not herky jerky, its try to dribble by someone, Brunson dribble to set you up to get you off balance and then dribble by you into open space..
Got 2 absolutely bs calls on Mitch to get him out of the game with 3 fouls. The Celts started getting 2nd chance points all over the place. I mean those calls were an absolute joke.
when we don't have Brunson handling the ball at the end of the second quarter some of the old warts reappear like too much iso ball and not enough ball movement. Result outscored 10-0 at end of quarter.
and falls down, Toppin wasnt even setting a screen, he was just trying to get to the corner, how is that an offe sive foul?
All he does all night is draw charges even off the fucking ball. I mean you're right Obi is just trying to get to the corner there and he gets in his way. Before Mitch was trying to roll to the hoop. Same thing.
The problem on that play is hart not taking horford off the dribble again and instead passing the ball to Randle 35 feet from the rim with 7 seconds on the shot clock.
is so talented yet so fricking dumb. Saw that last possession coming from a mile away, they were doing the same thing all night when he turns his back as the espn crew correctly pointed out and he didn't adjust at all and somehow wasnt ready for it on that final possession
is so talented yet so fricking dumb. Saw that last possession coming from a mile away, they were doing the same thing all night when he turns his back as the espn crew correctly pointed out and he didn't adjust at all and somehow wasnt ready for it on that final possession
And that spin was so stupid and unnecessary, especially with time winding down.
All you have to do is double team Randle and he melts like a candle
Instead of taking advantage and finding the open man he will shoot into double and triple coverage and turn the ball over 7 times. So frustrating from both him and Thibs to never adjust
Grimes foul. What can you say? Just plain dumb with a three point lead
I’m at the lake so only following game on play by play and will watch when back home. Is there a chance Thibbs told them to foul to send them to the line with a three point lead. He did that one game a few weeks ago
Is it time to think about giving D Rose some meaningful minutes?
a win. Horford had a great look at the end, but came up just a little short. Surprised the Knicks left him that open given he'd hit six threes tonight.
a win. Horford had a great look at the end, but came up just a little short. Surprised the Knicks left him that open given he'd hit six threes tonight.
They rotated and contested that one. And with it being Robinson, Horford has to alter it a bit.
looked like he could have played another 20 minutes. He's gonna get PAID this summer.
Randle did his best to fuck things up. I think out of 7 isos for him down the stretch he made one basket and turned the ball over 4 times. Not to mention some dumb fouls and fouling to box out the immortal Grant Williams a bunch of times.
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I will stumble on that video 20 years from now and still laugh my ass off. That guy storming out of the Garden like Mel Gibson in Braveheart saying “We’re taking it all the way!!!l” with the blunt in his hand just kills me every time.
I know Thibs doesn't like the load management thing
but after a very physical win in Miami and a double OT win in Boston, he should dig deeper into the bench and give Randle, IQ and RJ fewer minutes against Charlotte
RE: RE: Josh Hart still undefeated as a Knick lol.
it's more important that they figure out who closes. I'd love to finish with all four of Brunson, IQ, Hart, and Grimes out there along Randle but defensive rebounding would take a hit. I just don't see a reason for RJ to be out there at the end when we have 3 guys who are much better wing defenders. RJ's defense on Tatum when he missed the layup at the end of the first OT was horrendous.
the addition of Hart, and Brunson playing close to an MVP i don't see why they can't make a legit run this year in the playoffs.
MY only concerns are double teams against Randle at the end of games and FT shooting which is crucial in the playoffs and the knicks aren't great overall
IQ is better than starks. IQ is a star in the making. I’ve been high on him since year 1. Even last year with the mini sophomore jinx, he’s always had big time qualities. He’s arrived. Big time two way player with huge balls. Expect a big contract for IQ here with the Knicks.
This is fucking awesome. 3-0 against Boston this year.
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Gotta give Leon and his patience some credit. Quickley is definitely that guy. I hope we don't do what the Mavs did and let him go. He's a real keeper. Give him the bag.
RE: Immanuel Quickley with a signature performance on National TV
Gotta give Leon and his patience some credit. Quickley is definitely that guy. I hope we don't do what the Mavs did and let him go. He's a real keeper. Give him the bag.
Wouldn’t worry too much about IQ being allowed to leave, he’s apparently (and has been) a major favorite of multiple members of the FO. I’m not saying they wouldn’t move him in an Embiid deal but outside of a superstar I’m confident he’s a Knick long term
Team in the NBA has more road wins than the Knicks. Amazing
Basically the only reason the Knicks aren't a top 3 seed in the East right now are the litany of 1st half home losses to teams that are either in the play-in or won't even make it- 2 to Toronto, Dameless Portland, Chicago, Wizards, Lakers etc... You're always gonna have those type of games throughout a long season but we have an inordinate amount of them. Oh well its all in the past. Now we can just look forward.
And seemed off all night (7 turnovers) plus the Celtics were not going to let him beat them which made this win even more impressive
RJ and Quickley stepped up
This team is jelling at the right time and I am starting to believe they can make some noise or at least make the playoffs fun
And seemed off all night (7 turnovers) plus the Celtics were not going to let him beat them which made this win even more impressive
RJ and Quickley stepped up
This team is jelling at the right time and I am starting to believe they can make some noise or at least make the playoffs fun
Not a dump on Randle post at all but he was forcing the issue despite clearly being “off”. I only mention this because in seasons past if this happened the Knicks would have little chance of beating a good team (unless RJB carried them). Last night felt different in that way. The Knicks need Randle to win a playoff series/go deep. But it’s nice knowing they can beat a good team even when he’s not “on”.
And seemed off all night (7 turnovers) plus the Celtics were not going to let him beat them which made this win even more impressive
RJ and Quickley stepped up
This team is jelling at the right time and I am starting to believe they can make some noise or at least make the playoffs fun
its amazing how far we come with Randle, 31 points 9 rebounds and 4 assists with clutch 3s and clutch free throws and we consider it a rough game and i agree with you Randle looked exhausted..
Gotta give Leon and his patience some credit. Quickley is definitely that guy. I hope we don't do what the Mavs did and let him go. He's a real keeper. Give him the bag.
Wouldn’t worry too much about IQ being allowed to leave, he’s apparently (and has been) a major favorite of multiple members of the FO. I’m not saying they wouldn’t move him in an Embiid deal but outside of a superstar I’m confident he’s a Knick long term
Yeah, I guess the question would be if they'd want to give him an RJ level deal to keep him. I do think they really want to keep him though.
He should be available for an Embiid type deal but otherwise, the list of "players that are better than Immanuel Quickley" is getting shorter and shorter by the day.
RE: Immanuel Quickley with a signature performance on National TV
Love that guy. What a difference maker.
Gotta give Leon and his patience some credit. Quickley is definitely that guy. I hope we don't do what the Mavs did and let him go. He's a real keeper. Give him the bag.
But what finally brought Thibs around to trusting him?
RE: RE: Immanuel Quickley with a signature performance on National TV
Love that guy. What a difference maker.
Gotta give Leon and his patience some credit. Quickley is definitely that guy. I hope we don't do what the Mavs did and let him go. He's a real keeper. Give him the bag.
But what finally brought Thibs around to trusting him?
His defense, I bet.
He's taken a whole nother leap there.
I think when Brunson isn't there they need to start the offense
through IQ. He turns the corner and gets downhill so much easier than Randle. I like Randle a lot. is game is his game though. in late game iso situations that start 23 feet from the rim he's just to easy to guard by bodying him up. I get that the NBA game is about superstars iso'ing late. The thing is Durant, Tatum, Giannis etc... are much better suited for it than Randle. They move much easier and are way harder to stay in front of. Randle has great talent and versatility for a guy his size, but his bull in a china shop style just isn't suited great for late game isos.
RE: RE: Immanuel Quickley with a signature performance on National TV
Love that guy. What a difference maker.
Gotta give Leon and his patience some credit. Quickley is definitely that guy. I hope we don't do what the Mavs did and let him go. He's a real keeper. Give him the bag.
But what finally brought Thibs around to trusting him?
two things:
1: His defense, hustle and rebounding keep him on the floor whether he is hitting shots or not..
2: He is playing with much better pace, he doesnt jjst come down and chuck, he moves the ball and hr has learned how to play off of Brunson and Randle.
Randle had 31 pts on 22 shots. He was pretty damn good for "off"
I think the main problem with the turnovers was two things. 1) Boston was really good at doubling him early in possessions and from different angles. Without Brunson and before IQ lit it up, he felt he had to force some stuff. and 2) there was a stretch where Thibs tried him at the 5 and that did NOT work at all. That was too much of a defensive load on a night where he was also carrying the offense and he got super gassed and had two turnovers in like 30 seconds with a bad foul on the other end at the rim too. Thibs did not do that again. That shit did not work.
Randle is always going to be turnover prone on a night where he has to carry the team himself because he's slow to get into his ISO game. That's why Brunson orchestrating the offense is so key to this season. And that's why once Randle started going to dribble handoffs to IQ a lot, and IQ getting red hot, the offense started to really click better.
Has become one of the top defensive G’s in the NBA, already was a good/solid offensive player but has improved his shot selection, and his work in the off-season both on his own game and with teammates shows. He has incredible chemistry on the offensive end with “all” of his teammates. He’s an energizer + you can tell his teammates really like him personally.
RE: Randle had 31 pts on 22 shots. He was pretty damn good for
I think the main problem with the turnovers was two things. 1) Boston was really good at doubling him early in possessions and from different angles. Without Brunson and before IQ lit it up, he felt he had to force some stuff. and 2) there was a stretch where Thibs tried him at the 5 and that did NOT work at all. That was too much of a defensive load on a night where he was also carrying the offense and he got super gassed and had two turnovers in like 30 seconds with a bad foul on the other end at the rim too. Thibs did not do that again. That shit did not work.
Randle is always going to be turnover prone on a night where he has to carry the team himself because he's slow to get into his ISO game. That's why Brunson orchestrating the offense is so key to this season. And that's why once Randle started going to dribble handoffs to IQ a lot, and IQ getting red hot, the offense started to really click better.
Again, it shouldn’t be insulting to be critical of a player compared to an all-timer or all-timers but Randle is a “less talented” version of similar players, iso dominant franchise players aka Lebron/Durant types so if he’s asked to do too much or feels like it’s “on him”, things can get sloppy. Far, far less this season but when Randle feels it’s him “or else” he over dribbles and takes silly shots. Turnovers stand out but to my eyes, with him they come in waves or sloppiness as if he’s gassed and pushing through it or thinks it’s all on him.
1: His defense, hustle and rebounding keep him on the floor whether he is hitting shots or not..
2: He is playing with much better pace, he doesnt jjst come down and chuck, he moves the ball and hr has learned how to play off of Brunson and Randle.
Can’t think of too many singular standout games like that in recent Knicks history, where a player just puts the team on his back. Melo had a few, Allan Houston had 50 against the Lakers, I’m sure Amare had a couple in his first season. Randle’s had a couple. Those guys were all regarded as the best player on the team at the time. As a Clyde would say, a virtuoso performance.
1. Quickley is legit. His handle has gotten so much better. His release is quick. His IQ is off the charts(no pun intended). His defensive effort is relentless. That god we didn't trade him for pennies on the dollar.
2. Randle was excellent again, but he's just so dumb in crunch time. His awareness in late game situations is a problem. Why do we keep going to him? We have Brunson and Quick who can break down a defense at will and we are giving the ball to Randle 20 feet from the basket. Why???
3. RJ can fill up a stat sheet and still have a bad game. He's so frustrating to watch because he doesn't do any of the little things well. His defense isn't only bad, he lacks effort and his defensive IQ is just brutal. He's also terrible in important situations. He doesn't box out and he's very lazy.
4. Mitch wasn't all that good yesterday either. He's always flat footed and slow to recover. He's so long that nobody should ever get past him, but goes get around him with ease. He's also a brutal FT shooter so it's tough to play him in games like that. Unfortunately we don't have a lot of options.
5. This team is for real and if we can start letting Brunson and Quickley close games, I think we are onto something. This teams offensive efficiency is off the charts. The effort is relentless most of the time. Our best players give 150% night in and night out. We now have 3 guys who are plus perimeter defenders and multiple shot makers. Look out for the Knicks.
Can’t think of too many singular standout games like that in recent Knicks history, where a player just puts the team on his back. Melo had a few, Allan Houston had 50 against the Lakers, I’m sure Amare had a couple in his first season. Randle’s had a couple. Those guys were all regarded as the best player on the team at the time. As a Clyde would say, a virtuoso performance.
Can’t think of too many singular standout games like that in recent Knicks history, where a player just puts the team on his back. Melo had a few, Allan Houston had 50 against the Lakers, I’m sure Amare had a couple in his first season. Randle’s had a couple. Those guys were all regarded as the best player on the team at the time. As a Clyde would say, a virtuoso performance.
It makes you an elite team when you have multiple guys who can say alright this guy is off i will step up but also when others have it going can still make an impact eith limited shot attempts
as he was running into the tunnel last night. Someone screamed down(im paraphrasing)..."Just missed 40 tonight IQ". IQ responded with, "yeah but we got that Dub"
was just based on the fact that they both give max effort all the time. Playing wise, they weren't that similar. Starks was a SG who could slash and explode at the rim. Quick is a combo guard that can handle the ball like a PG and shoot like a SG. He's not as explosive, but he's very crafty. Starks relied on raw athleticism, Quickly uses his savvy.
“Knicks wake up today ranked 5th in offensive rating, 3rd in opponent field-goal percentage and 5th in opponent 3-point percentage. After one of the best weeks in recent franchise history, Knicks leave impression that the best is yet to come for this group:“
Think some of Mitch’s limitations are scheme based. If you watch some of his workout videos he’s actually pretty decent with the ball in his hand and has some range. We don’t see it in games and workouts are just that but I’m not completely surprised he’s able to make plays like that. More surprised we don’t see more of it
RE: Not sure if anyone caught it, but a great comment from IQ
as he was running into the tunnel last night. Someone screamed down(im paraphrasing)..."Just missed 40 tonight IQ". IQ responded with, "yeah but we got that Dub"
Think some of Mitch’s limitations are scheme based. If you watch some of his workout videos he’s actually pretty decent with the ball in his hand and has some range. We don’t see it in games and workouts are just that but I’m not completely surprised he’s able to make plays like that. More surprised we don’t see more of it
I don't agree. Mitch gets the ball at the top of the key often. If he was capable of doing what he did last night, he would do it. He's also always talking about how hes going to start shooting this year, but then never does. I think it's just easier to do these things in workouts and practice rather when real bullets are flying.
was just based on the fact that they both give max effort all the time. Playing wise, they weren't that similar. Starks was a SG who could slash and explode at the rim. Quick is a combo guard that can handle the ball like a PG and shoot like a SG. He's not as explosive, but he's very crafty. Starks relied on raw athleticism, Quickly uses his savvy.
Starks also made an all star team and a defensive all nba team. And was one of the top players for a team that was a legit championship contender. That said, I think IQ's ceiling is a player that's much better than Starks ever was.
Think some of Mitch’s limitations are scheme based. If you watch some of his workout videos he’s actually pretty decent with the ball in his hand and has some range. We don’t see it in games and workouts are just that but I’m not completely surprised he’s able to make plays like that. More surprised we don’t see more of it
I don't agree. Mitch gets the ball at the top of the key often. If he was capable of doing what he did last night, he would do it. He's also always talking about how hes going to start shooting this year, but then never does. I think it's just easier to do these things in workouts and practice rather when real bullets are flying.
Kanter used to post workout videos on instagram where he looked like a combination of Dirk, Luka, and Durant. Then the games would start and he never took a shot outside the paint, lol.
was just based on the fact that they both give max effort all the time. Playing wise, they weren't that similar. Starks was a SG who could slash and explode at the rim. Quick is a combo guard that can handle the ball like a PG and shoot like a SG. He's not as explosive, but he's very crafty. Starks relied on raw athleticism, Quickly uses his savvy.
Starks also made an all star team and a defensive all nba team. And was one of the top players for a team that was a legit championship contender. That said, I think IQ's ceiling is a player that's much better than Starks ever was.
I agree. I was the worlds biggest Starks fan. He was my favorite player growing up in all of sports and part of the allure was that he came from nowhere and became a key contributor to a consistent contender. Quickley is way more skilled and adds way more that Starks could.
RE: RE: Not sure if anyone caught it, but a great comment from IQ
as he was running into the tunnel last night. Someone screamed down(im paraphrasing)..."Just missed 40 tonight IQ". IQ responded with, "yeah but we got that Dub"
The actual quotes were pithier:
"A forty-piece? Was that a forty-piece?"
"That's a Dub!" instagram - ( New Window )
Interesting seeing Leon Rose was there last night. Dapped him up at the end of that video. IQ gonna make some money playing like this.
2021, I think giving out contracts to some of these guys would be smart. IQ is looking at something similar to what RJ got IMO (4/100 or so). For Hart, I think the MLE is the floor for a new deal for him so maybe 4/60 or 4/70 gets it done. They probably won't do anything with Obi but maybe there's an opportunity to lock him in for 4/50 or 4/60. That said, that probably wouldn't be smart on his part. It's likely worth the risk for him to try and get to unrestricted free agency in 2 years.
Think some of Mitch’s limitations are scheme based. If you watch some of his workout videos he’s actually pretty decent with the ball in his hand and has some range. We don’t see it in games and workouts are just that but I’m not completely surprised he’s able to make plays like that. More surprised we don’t see more of it
I don't agree. Mitch gets the ball at the top of the key often. If he was capable of doing what he did last night, he would do it. He's also always talking about how hes going to start shooting this year, but then never does. I think it's just easier to do these things in workouts and practice rather when real bullets are flying.
Kanter used to post workout videos on instagram where he looked like a combination of Dirk, Luka, and Durant. Then the games would start and he never took a shot outside the paint, lol.
In fairness, that doesn't mean Kanter wasn't capable of expanding his range in-game. It's not as if he tried and failed. He chose not to.
were the comparisons for Quickley's ceiling early on. There's nothing wrong with those 2 guys, they were instant buckets and could change games with their scoring off the bench.
But now all of a sudden Quickley has become a plus defender? Definitely an unexpected and pleasant development to his game. Both Lou Will and Craw were awful defenders who couldn't guard random FedEx drivers, Quickley looks to have some Pat Bev in him on D.
Not too many little offensive sparkplugs who can also make an impact with their defense. Really unique player in that sense.
Knicks look dangerous. Knicks/Cavs is THE series I want to see in Round 1 in the East, and probably #2 overall besides the potential 4/5 Warriors vs. Suns matchup out West.
not looking for a big back and forth regarding such a stupid topic but he's done this a few times before which means he's *capable* of doing it. Getting a step on a defender, maintaining his dribble and throwing it down isn't exactly saying he can shoot 3's in-game. But here he is making a very similar move last season. Link - ( New Window )
Not too many little offensive sparkplugs who can also make an impact with their defense. Really unique player in that sense.
he's got two things in his favor - above average wingspan allows him to play bigger and apparently his court sense/awareness/intelligence on defense is fantastic:
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The third-year guard guides teammates through complicated switches, like the one above. He is the Knicks’ most vocal defender in transition, pointing and twisting to make sure the group picks up assignments properly — or at least stops the ball. He’s able to direct the defense from the top of the key, a job normally reserved for centers who stand as the last line of protection and thus can see the whole floor.
Quickley doesn’t have eyes in the back of his head, but he can sense what’s happening behind him.
“(It’s) kind of a feel. And also as you see games, you see the same patterns,” Quickley said. “Pretty much everybody in the league runs the same stuff.”
Quickley has become obsessed with basketball minutiae. He’s able to recognize other teams’ plays just from the actions he’s defending, which then allows him to direct the defenders behind him.
He has something resembling a video-graphic memory. When asked if he would give his thoughts to The Athletic on the play that’s referenced above, Quickley grabbed the iPhone to view the video, saw the freeze frame before pressing play and remarked, “Oh, this was a good one.” He then proceeded to run through what he remembered from the possession before even watching it.
The interaction was weeks after the game against the Sixers.
don't think you have to consider yourself too much of a "basketball expert" to see that IQ has a "6th sense" when it comes to his decisions out there. He seems a step ahead and meshes with whatever lineup he's out there with. It was almost more frustrating when a player with such a natural idea out there would take such ridiculous shots in the past.
not looking for a big back and forth regarding such a stupid topic but he's done this a few times before which means he's *capable* of doing it. Getting a step on a defender, maintaining his dribble and throwing it down isn't exactly saying he can shoot 3's in-game. But here he is making a very similar move last season. Link - ( New Window )
according to nba.com he has four total drives the last three seasons. Please forgive me for not remembering them. I'm getting forgetful in my old age....
But we all know Thibs is not exactly known for his open-minded approach so maybe there's this ball handling/driving and dunking version of Mitch that's just waiting to be unlocked!
I'm saying is, it's very possible (even likely) if he had the green light to be a bit more aggressive in the right spots off the dribble, he'd likely be capable of occasionally doing that. I'm not suggesting Mitchell Robinson can suddenly become a big scorer or 3 point shooter. I don't think my opinion here is even borderline outlandish.
however you are blaming Thibs and not Mitch. You think Thibs is telling his 7 footer not to take the ball to the hoop for an easy high percentage basket? I think more likely, Mitch doesn't have the confidence and/or skill to do it often.
however you are blaming Thibs and not Mitch. You think Thibs is telling his 7 footer not to take the ball to the hoop for an easy high percentage basket? I think more likely, Mitch doesn't have the confidence and/or skill to do it often.
I'm not "blaming" anyone. I'm suggesting Mitch having the green light to make offensive decisions likely isn't part of the playbook (not should it be). I'm going to guess if he had the "option" to look to do more, he likely would do a *little* more or at least dabble with a bit more.
but the point remains. This isn't a scheme thing, IMO. Why would a coach not want an easy dunk? This is mitch not doing it because he either can't or doesnt have the confidence to try.
This is just me, but I'd give IQ RJ's money with no hesitation.
"story" was that the Knicks had Maxey as their #1 target with their second pick and that they even considered him as high as 8. IQ was apparently next up after Maxey. Either one would have been a real home run at 23 (the Knicks initial spot).
It will be an interesting negotiation because I think IQ's representation can make a very strong case that IQ is the better player between him and Barrett.
I would expect something similar to the Herro or Jordan Poole contracts. I believe it was 4/130 for Herro and 4/140 for Poole.
It will be an interesting negotiation because I think IQ's representation can make a very strong case that IQ is the better player between him and Barrett.
I would expect something similar to the Herro or Jordan Poole contracts. I believe it was 4/130 for Herro and 4/140 for Poole.
Yeah i can see something around Poole, similar players, both could easily start on another team..
It will be an interesting negotiation because I think IQ's representation can make a very strong case that IQ is the better player between him and Barrett.
I would expect something similar to the Herro or Jordan Poole contracts. I believe it was 4/130 for Herro and 4/140 for Poole.
yeah, maybe I'm low on what he's going to get. IQ is definitely better than RJ. And if he and the team have a strong playoff run, he'll be asking for a big money deal. The only think in the Knicks' favor is that this summer is the only time teams really have the hammer when it comes to contract negotiations since he's two years away from unrestricted free agency. If you're offering guaranteed life changing money, it's hard for these guys who are not obvious max players to say no. And IQ is still young enough that he'll likely be getting a third contract down the road.
And with the cap expected to really rise, a good player on almost any non-max contract is likely to be a good contract.
you cap experts out there, IQ's max is 5 for 195 (that's not happening) but what's a realistic extension number for him?
He's made a fortune this season with his play and he's earned it. I'm guessing he's getting a a Herro/ Poole contract at this point- 4-125/ 130. He's getting paid and would have a long list of suitors if he ever made it to free agency. And he's better than RJ and its not particularly close at this point.
And this isn't about "Thibs trusting him". This about him improving his game, putting the work in and taken the next step. He was not good for most of last year and kudos to him for bouncing back in a big way.
Thibs and the coaching staff also deserve credit for his and others development. I also find it funny that fans are still cricizing Thibs offense.
RE: IQ should get some serious consideration for 6th man of year award
I think some of the early actions they do outside the three point line are pretty pointless and waste time seconds off the shot clock - but that's a nitpick. But our shot profile is pretty damn good. They've cut down on the mid-range stuff and are taking a ton of 3s and living at the FT line. For me, the late game execution was and continues to be my main gripe. That's obviously not the "system" but it is a coaching issue.
just biased as I watch far more Knicks games than any other team but it does seem like the Knicks playcalling late in games and on in-bounds plays appear to be pretty poor. Not really sure how to explain that, Thibs has been around a long time and the Knicks staff is respected/well thought of. It obviously helps when you have a Lebron/Durant etc but I'm not sure it's as simple as that.
I think some of the early actions they do outside the three point line are pretty pointless and waste time seconds off the shot clock - but that's a nitpick. But our shot profile is pretty damn good. They've cut down on the mid-range stuff and are taking a ton of 3s and living at the FT line. For me, the late game execution was and continues to be my main gripe. That's obviously not the "system" but it is a coaching issue.
That's fair and not directing this at you or really even fans on here. Just the general idea that the guy can't coach offense and that he's some antiquated basketball dinosaur.
He's a damn good coach and obviously a very bright basketball mind. The term culture is overused but Thibs is a big part of the culture change here. We aren't that removed from the Fizdale circus act...and many before him. That's not easy to do.
one thing i feel he is unfairly criticized for is to much iso, yes his offense is a lot of iso but it is iso with an idea in mind..
Meaning he trusts his players to make the right play, if its open shoot, if your doubled make the right read. It is all read what you see..
Now does Randle take advantage of that sometimes? absolutely but i also thing he has reigned it in a lot and give him credit last night in OT he said Quickley you take it..
At the end of games it has been more Brunson, and it has worked, NBA is about how far your top 2 guys can take you with a 3rd guy sprinkled in and the rest filling in their roles..Knicks have that right now
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Is how long can you keep him behind Brunson, he is obviously proving he is a starting PG and will eventually want to run the show. Also he is a much better 1 than a 2.
Is how long can you keep him behind Brunson, he is obviously proving he is a starting PG and will eventually want to run the show. Also he is a much better 1 than a 2.
Wasn't sure if I'd live long enough to see the Knicks get a really good point guard, let alone two.
Is how long can you keep him behind Brunson, he is obviously proving he is a starting PG and will eventually want to run the show. Also he is a much better 1 than a 2.
or you could just play them together? Seems like a young/ascending two way guard who offers ball handling/shot making/defense might be a good fit next to our all-nba caliber PG.
and he is finishing games, he is not going to care if he is starting, if he was playing 20 minutes a night and not finishing, yeah it would be a problem
Is how long can you keep him behind Brunson, he is obviously proving he is a starting PG and will eventually want to run the show. Also he is a much better 1 than a 2.
You gotta keep him as long as you can. A guard-defender and defensive playmaker who can score inside and outside is exactly what you need when you start talking about winning a playoffs series.
one thing i feel he is unfairly criticized for is to much iso, yes his offense is a lot of iso but it is iso with an idea in mind..
Meaning he trusts his players to make the right play, if its open shoot, if your doubled make the right read. It is all read what you see..
Now does Randle take advantage of that sometimes? absolutely but i also thing he has reigned it in a lot and give him credit last night in OT he said Quickley you take it..
At the end of games it has been more Brunson, and it has worked, NBA is about how far your top 2 guys can take you with a 3rd guy sprinkled in and the rest filling in their roles..Knicks have that right now
+1000. Thibs system is rigid but IF he has the players that can run it it can be glorious. Also his rotations have been considerably smarter as well.
In comment 16053141 larryflower37 said:
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I think IQ is a great fit with Brunson. Even if he becomes the starting 2. You have multiple ball handlers/ creators, they both can shoot off ball, and IQ can guard most guards and even some 3s. He's an excellent fit.
In comment 16053141 larryflower37 said:
[quote] Is how long can you keep him behind Brunson, he is obviously proving he is a starting PG and will eventually want to run the show. Also he is a much better 1 than a 2. [/qu
I think IQ is a great fit with Brunson. Even if he becomes the starting 2. You have multiple ball handlers/ creators, they both can shoot off ball, and IQ can guard most guards and even some 3s. He's an excellent fit.
Yup and if you trade a couple of rotation guys for a star or upgrade Quickley becomes even more important
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Knicks Bing bong! The Knicks are officially the hottest team in the NBA, beating the Nets, Heat and the Celtics twice this week to run their win streak to nine games. Julius Randle and Jalen Brunson each averaged more than 27 points for the week, but the spotlight has momentarily shifted toward Immanuel Quickley, who carried the Knicks to a double-overtime win over Boston on Sunday with a career-high 38 points, eight rebounds and seven assists.
Is how long can you keep him behind Brunson, he is obviously proving he is a starting PG and will eventually want to run the show. Also he is a much better 1 than a 2.
I honestly don't give a shit. Other teams have great multiple lead guards why can't we. Pay IQ a shit load of money and find a way to make it work, like it is right this very moment. PLay him at the 2 sometimes, backing up JB and also play them together. It can work and it worked here with two bigger stars in Clyde and Earl the Pearl.
I am not trading IQ for anything less than a legend / super star. He's ours. We found him, you aint getting him!
I believe they'll keep him. There's avenues for NBA teams to keep
their homegrown players and this front office likes doing that.
At a minimum, on a rookie extension he is a hugely tradeable asset. I think that now that he's in the Thibs circle of trust, minutes won't be an issue.
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Man do I love to hear that. This has become a very likeable Knicks team. Guys playing hard, not sitting out games, really good defense and the offense has been entertaining too.
coaching killing the Knicks in the playoffs. I could totally see the coaching playing Barrett over IQ down the stretch and us losing games we should win because of it.
coaching killing the Knicks in the playoffs. I could totally see the coaching playing Barrett over IQ down the stretch and us losing games we should win because of it.
Just giving the ball to Randle for final shot 20 second Iso ball still sucks. Twice in two nights he's had the ball swiped from his hands and those could have been losses but for one circus shot and IQ putting the team on his back.
coaching killing the Knicks in the playoffs. I could totally see the coaching playing Barrett over IQ down the stretch and us losing games we should win because of it.
I'm right there with you. This iso ball with Randle at the end of games is terrible basketball and majority of the time leads to turnovers or bad shots at the end of the shot clock. Brunson and then Quickley as 2nd option should have the ball in their hands and let them decide what they want to do with it . Thibs needs to stop being stubborn with this or it will kill them in the playoffs when teams double and triple team Randle
both possess the creative ability at the end of games. Last night's OT was encouraging in that Randle deferred to IQ late. That is encouraging and the template. Randle could still get the shot because he'll get the ball in better spots by doing this. It doesn't work as well with RJ because Barrett gets tunnel vision on most of his drives.
he gets a good grade because the culture has changed and that is huge. Having said that, we should have won last nights game in regulation but the old let's give it to Randle 35 feet from the hoop and let him try to back somebody in showed up again last night. It resulted in the weak side guy stealing the ball on two separate occasions (what a surprise). Thibs just doesn't get having the ball in the point guards hands and having Randle as one of the options is the way to go. He gave the ball to Randle at the end of regulation when it was clear to everyone else watching the game that they couldn't guard Quickley. Also, our inbound plays and execution is just laughable. It almost cost us the game last night and will cost a game (probably an important one) at some point.
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I have a macro Knicks question. The goal coming into the year was to trade for a star. I think that’s still the goal. But with how good this team has become, I think they can afford to be discerning.
Who are the stars that might hit the market that actually make sense for them?"
I’m not sure too many other coaches would have gotten this much from this group and he’s developed IQ fantastically, having played him a lot as a rookie and given him more important minutes as he’s progressed. This team is scoring real well and playing great defense and everyone is giving 100%. Very unselfish team that picks each other up. That all comes from the effort and preparation from the coaches
he gets a good grade because the culture has changed and that is huge. Having said that, we should have won last nights game in regulation but the old let's give it to Randle 35 feet from the hoop and let him try to back somebody in showed up again last night. It resulted in the weak side guy stealing the ball on two separate occasions (what a surprise). Thibs just doesn't get having the ball in the point guards hands and having Randle as one of the options is the way to go. He gave the ball to Randle at the end of regulation when it was clear to everyone else watching the game that they couldn't guard Quickley. Also, our inbound plays and execution is just laughable. It almost cost us the game last night and will cost a game (probably an important one) at some point.
I have killed Thibs a lot, but there is not a coach in this league that wouldnt habe put the ball in Randle's hands at the end of the game..
He stunted IQ's progress last year by playing Burks over him until the very end of the season. This year, he wasted a bunch of games playing Rose and Fournier ahead of him. Thibs gets no credit here.
I’m not sure too many other coaches would have gotten this much from this group and he’s developed IQ fantastically, having played him a lot as a rookie and given him more important minutes as he’s progressed. This team is scoring real well and playing great defense and everyone is giving 100%. Very unselfish team that picks each other up. That all comes from the effort and preparation from the coaches
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I have a macro Knicks question. The goal coming into the year was to trade for a star. I think that’s still the goal. But with how good this team has become, I think they can afford to be discerning.
Who are the stars that might hit the market that actually make sense for them?"
Of guys that could be available this summer, I’d say you give up the war chest for Embiid if he comes available. I’d give up a lot for Bridges if he becomes available.
Guys that could be available at some point in 24 depending on how things play out with their current teams, Luka, Jaylen Brown (they’d never trade him here), Paul George.
There are plenty of other guys that would help, but I’m not giving up a huge haul for the LaVine/Towns types.
use the Elam ending for regular season overtimes as an experiment. I think most would prefer to see the ending of a game played similar to the way the rest of the game was played - instead of all the fouling and timeouts. All you're losing would be buzzer beaters - which aren't exactly all that common.
the team is committed to Randle and Brunson long term, that means they'd be targeting centers and wings in a trade. At center the guys that *might* come available and have been brought up before include Embiid, Ayton, and KAT.
At wing it's a little murky. Supposedly LaVine has been playing well and looks to be back from his injury, but the knock on him has always been his defense. It's too bad because offensively he'd slot in nicely IMO.
Ideally you'd get a guy like Gordon Hayward (the Utah version) - but I don't see who fits that bill.
Even more ideal would be RJ ascending to that type of player, but that's a VERY optimistic projection for him.
Enzo, if Embiid is legit on the market...we gotta make a run @ him. I wonder if 76ers would trade him to us, but still...gotta make inquiries.
I don't think Morey has ever traded away a star player who was in his prime. If they did decide to trade him they would want EVERYTHING from us. Assuming a trade would take place this summer, the package would start with the four future unprotected picks and three swaps you're allowed to trade and whoever we draft in the upcoming draft. And then they'd want the extra picks we have coming from other teams. And then they'd want players like Mitch, IQ, Grimes, and RJ. And they'd probably want us to take back Harris as well.
wait to see how this team does in the playoffs before wondering if they need a star and who it is..
If they dont need a star, id look to move Rj for a player that fits a little better, more of shooter and defender. I dont think it is all Rjs fault but i think the fit makes it tougher for him. Need a guy in that spot that is willing to play mlre off the ball and rebound and defend, especially with the emerfence of Quick..
Also i like Toppin, hell i was pushing for him to start to start the season, i think he has real potential if given minutsz but i think where this team is at, adding a real 3 and d off the bench in that spot that can play the 3/4 would help out this team more..
He stunted IQ's progress last year by playing Burks over him until the very end of the season. This year, he wasted a bunch of games playing Rose and Fournier ahead of him. Thibs gets no credit here.
In comment 16053580 steve in ky said:
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I’m not sure too many other coaches would have gotten this much from this group and he’s developed IQ fantastically, having played him a lot as a rookie and given him more important minutes as he’s progressed. This team is scoring real well and playing great defense and everyone is giving 100%. Very unselfish team that picks each other up. That all comes from the effort and preparation from the coaches
That’s ridiculous.
The player development here has literally been the best we have ever seen as Knicks fans.
You’re gonna kill Thibs for not playing a (slightly) struggling second year guard near max minutes while playing a steady vet instead. Never mind that IQ did play a lot last season….
He stunted IQ yet in year 3 he’s blossoming into a star.
If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
He's still a 20+ point scorer who plays elite defense on the wing. It's not an easy calculation. Can RJ develop into that? If so you keep RJ. If not you trade him
If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
If the Clippers blow it up (which I think could happen) the Knicks could get PG13 and filler for RJ, Rose and Fournier. Clippers would buy out Rose and Fournier for cap purposes.
PG13 would be a lockdown defender who can defend any position from point guard to power forward in the modern NBA (since power forwards nowadays are really bigger small forwards, not Charles Oakley or Anthony Mason types)
He stunted IQ's progress last year by playing Burks over him until the very end of the season. This year, he wasted a bunch of games playing Rose and Fournier ahead of him. Thibs gets no credit here.
In comment 16053580 steve in ky said:
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I’m not sure too many other coaches would have gotten this much from this group and he’s developed IQ fantastically, having played him a lot as a rookie and given him more important minutes as he’s progressed. This team is scoring real well and playing great defense and everyone is giving 100%. Very unselfish team that picks each other up. That all comes from the effort and preparation from the coaches
That’s ridiculous.
The player development here has literally been the best we have ever seen as Knicks fans.
You’re gonna kill Thibs for not playing a (slightly) struggling second year guard near max minutes while playing a steady vet instead. Never mind that IQ did play a lot last season….
He stunted IQ yet in year 3 he’s blossoming into a star.
I confess I was ready to sell short on IQ. I thought he was a chucker on O and didn't have the frame to be a plus defender.
Glad to be proven wrong! Not sure how much of that is owing to Thibs and how much to IQ himself - probably a combo of the two.
If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
You do realize he's averaging 24, 5 and 6 on 46/37/88% shooting with a 20.1 PER (career 19.4) and .123 WS/48. He wouldn't be my first target but "more name recognition" isn't very or accurate.
By RAPTOR he's been the 19th best player in the NBA in 2022-2023 Link - ( New Window )
If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
Paul George is not a great fit. Come on now. You guys are 5 years behind. The Clippers are an absolute disappointment. And Paul George being overpaid and over rated is a huge part of that
If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
Paul George is not a great fit. Come on now. You guys are 5 years behind. The Clippers are an absolute disappointment. And Paul George being overpaid and over rated is a huge part of that
But he is not coming here to carry the team..
38% from 3 means he can spread the floor, 46% from the field, 54% efg..
6 rebounds and 5 assists a game, meaning he does the little stuff on the boards and he moves the ball..
He can play off of Brunson and Randle and if 1 is off he can step in and take more of a load and he is a good defender
If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
You do realize he's averaging 24, 5 and 6 on 46/37/88% shooting with a 20.1 PER (career 19.4) and .123 WS/48. He wouldn't be my first target but "more name recognition" isn't very or accurate.
By RAPTOR he's been the 19th best player in the NBA in 2022-2023 Link - ( New Window )
He’s also going to be 33 and his awesomeness has done nothing to help the Clips. Stats don’t mean anything to me. The guy is not someone to build around, given his age and where the Knicks are. George is playing with a ton of talent in LA. They’ve been a huge disappointment. You can have George and his stats. The Knicks should not rely on Paul George to be “the guy”. Sorry. Terrible idea.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: No way Philly trades Embiid to us
If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
Paul George is not a great fit. Come on now. You guys are 5 years behind. The Clippers are an absolute disappointment. And Paul George being overpaid and over rated is a huge part of that
But he is not coming here to carry the team..
38% from 3 means he can spread the floor, 46% from the field, 54% efg..
6 rebounds and 5 assists a game, meaning he does the little stuff on the boards and he moves the ball..
He can play off of Brunson and Randle and if 1 is off he can step in and take more of a load and he is a good defender
And if we want to move on from RJ we might get away with keeping all our picks (or almost all our picks). I know Kawhi is better than PG13 but we'd have to give up all our draft picks to get him
This is if the scenario where the Clippers decide to rebuild
If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
Paul George is not a great fit. Come on now. You guys are 5 years behind. The Clippers are an absolute disappointment. And Paul George being overpaid and over rated is a huge part of that
But he is not coming here to carry the team..
38% from 3 means he can spread the floor, 46% from the field, 54% efg..
6 rebounds and 5 assists a game, meaning he does the little stuff on the boards and he moves the ball..
He can play off of Brunson and Randle and if 1 is off he can step in and take more of a load and he is a good defender
That’s all great. But what are you willing to trade for George? Because I guarantee you he’s not free. And we all know the price of “stars” doesn’t exactly correlate with what fans want to give up
If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
Paul George is not a great fit. Come on now. You guys are 5 years behind. The Clippers are an absolute disappointment. And Paul George being overpaid and over rated is a huge part of that
But he is not coming here to carry the team..
38% from 3 means he can spread the floor, 46% from the field, 54% efg..
6 rebounds and 5 assists a game, meaning he does the little stuff on the boards and he moves the ball..
He can play off of Brunson and Randle and if 1 is off he can step in and take more of a load and he is a good defender
That’s all great. But what are you willing to trade for George? Because I guarantee you he’s not free. And we all know the price of “stars” doesn’t exactly correlate with what fans want to give up
RJ, cap relief (Rose + Fournier) and a 1st round pick would get us PG13 if the Clippers decide to pursue a teardown. We get to keep a lot of our draft capital because we'd be giving them a young talent in RJ
was suggesting Paul George would be "the guy"? He'd be part of what it currently exists. Nobody is suggesting he's an A+ centerpiece. He has 1 year left + a player option, if the Clippers "blow it up" and were looking to rebuild.
was suggesting Paul George would be "the guy"? He'd be part of what it currently exists. Nobody is suggesting he's an A+ centerpiece. He has 1 year left + a player option, if the Clippers "blow it up" and were looking to rebuild.
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: No way Philly trades Embiid to us
If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
Paul George is not a great fit. Come on now. You guys are 5 years behind. The Clippers are an absolute disappointment. And Paul George being overpaid and over rated is a huge part of that
But he is not coming here to carry the team..
38% from 3 means he can spread the floor, 46% from the field, 54% efg..
6 rebounds and 5 assists a game, meaning he does the little stuff on the boards and he moves the ball..
He can play off of Brunson and Randle and if 1 is off he can step in and take more of a load and he is a good defender
That’s all great. But what are you willing to trade for George? Because I guarantee you he’s not free. And we all know the price of “stars” doesn’t exactly correlate with what fans want to give up
RJ, cap relief (Rose + Fournier) and a 1st round pick would get us PG13 if the Clippers decide to pursue a teardown. We get to keep a lot of our draft capital because we'd be giving them a young talent in RJ
We ALWAYS think the Knicks have the parts for a deal. The problem is other teams are involved. It would take more than your offer and quite frankly, I’d rather keep RJ. I’m not trading him as one of multiple pieces for Paul George
was suggesting Paul George would be "the guy"? He'd be part of what it currently exists. Nobody is suggesting he's an A+ centerpiece. He has 1 year left + a player option, if the Clippers "blow it up" and were looking to rebuild.
Exactly! So what you’re saying is you’d deal RJ Barrett and multiple other players and picks for one year of 33 year old Paul George?
If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
Paul George is not a great fit. Come on now. You guys are 5 years behind. The Clippers are an absolute disappointment. And Paul George being overpaid and over rated is a huge part of that
But he is not coming here to carry the team..
38% from 3 means he can spread the floor, 46% from the field, 54% efg..
6 rebounds and 5 assists a game, meaning he does the little stuff on the boards and he moves the ball..
He can play off of Brunson and Randle and if 1 is off he can step in and take more of a load and he is a good defender
That’s all great. But what are you willing to trade for George? Because I guarantee you he’s not free. And we all know the price of “stars” doesn’t exactly correlate with what fans want to give up
RJ, cap relief (Rose + Fournier) and a 1st round pick would get us PG13 if the Clippers decide to pursue a teardown. We get to keep a lot of our draft capital because we'd be giving them a young talent in RJ
We ALWAYS think the Knicks have the parts for a deal. The problem is other teams are involved. It would take more than your offer and quite frankly, I’d rather keep RJ. I’m not trading him as one of multiple pieces for Paul George
That's why it's such a hard calculation. What is RJ's ceiling? If it's near Paul George then you keep him. If not, then you make the deal. RJ is a very difficult player to gauge. He looks like he's got it all but the Knicks actually have a negative scoring margin this season when he's on the court
was suggesting Paul George would be "the guy"? He'd be part of what it currently exists. Nobody is suggesting he's an A+ centerpiece. He has 1 year left + a player option, if the Clippers "blow it up" and were looking to rebuild.
Exactly! So what you’re saying is you’d deal RJ Barrett and multiple other players and picks for one year of 33 year old Paul George?
was suggesting Paul George would be "the guy"? He'd be part of what it currently exists. Nobody is suggesting he's an A+ centerpiece. He has 1 year left + a player option, if the Clippers "blow it up" and were looking to rebuild.
Exactly! So what you’re saying is you’d deal RJ Barrett and multiple other players and picks for one year of 33 year old Paul George?
Why would 1 year of Paul George (who according to you is in severe decline, overpaid, just a name etc) cost an arm and a leg? Would I move Barrett in a deal for him? Barrett and picks? Yeah I would. What's wrong with pushing the window forward? Would the Knicks win the title with Brunson/Randle/George/IQ as their top 4 players? Probably not but who knows? Outside of the Bucks, the Knicks likely would give any team in the East a legitimate run in a 7 game series.
don't think the Knicks beat the Bucks even with George but that's mostly because the Bucks have an all-timer as their franchise player and are a well-oiled machine. It wouldn't be the greatest upset in NBA history, or close to it, let's put it that way. Quite frankly, it's remarkable the Bucks are 46-18 given how off Middleton has looked.
don't think the Knicks beat the Bucks even with George but that's mostly because the Bucks have an all-timer as their franchise player and are a well-oiled machine. It wouldn't be the greatest upset in NBA history, or close to it, let's put it that way. Quite frankly, it's remarkable the Bucks are 46-18 given how off Middleton has looked.
I think adding George for Rj makes the Knicks 2nd best team in the east, taking Milwaukee to 6 or 7..
Guess is the new non stop mention will be Embiid. Harden is heavily rumored to want to go back to Houston and Embiid openly loves Leon Rose and likely would be intrigued by playing in NY. Probably doesn’t happen, but that’s likely all we hear this off-season
Guess is the new non stop mention will be Embiid. Harden is heavily rumored to want to go back to Houston and Embiid openly loves Leon Rose and likely would be intrigued by playing in NY. Probably doesn’t happen, but that’s likely all we hear this off-season
Definitely will be the buzz barring a great Philly playoffs performance( which is very possible).
But I disagree with the people who say Philly wouldn’t trade him to NY. A play of his stature is picking his next team. That team will have to give up every asset possible like PHX just did, but he is picking his team. That’s how the nba works now.
You are the one being ridiculous. Starting playing a cooked Kemba over him with Rose as the first guard off the bench. Then he played Burks out of position over him. There were even games where he started McBride over him. When the season was finally winding down, he balled out. Thibs not playing him is why he developed. Thibs handled playing time horribly last year and it was a major reason the team didn't even make the play in game. This year he started playing Fournier over him and Rose as well. Glad he finally stopped that idiocy. But he deserves absolutely no credit for finally removing his head from his ass when his job was in jeopardy.
He stunted IQ's progress last year by playing Burks over him until the very end of the season. This year, he wasted a bunch of games playing Rose and Fournier ahead of him. Thibs gets no credit here.
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I’m not sure too many other coaches would have gotten this much from this group and he’s developed IQ fantastically, having played him a lot as a rookie and given him more important minutes as he’s progressed. This team is scoring real well and playing great defense and everyone is giving 100%. Very unselfish team that picks each other up. That all comes from the effort and preparation from the coaches
That’s ridiculous.
The player development here has literally been the best we have ever seen as Knicks fans.
You’re gonna kill Thibs for not playing a (slightly) struggling second year guard near max minutes while playing a steady vet instead. Never mind that IQ did play a lot last season….
He stunted IQ yet in year 3 he’s blossoming into a star.
You are the one being ridiculous. Starting playing a cooked Kemba over him with Rose as the first guard off the bench. Then he played Burks out of position over him. There were even games where he started McBride over him. When the season was finally winding down, he balled out. Thibs not playing him is why he developed. Thibs handled playing time horribly last year and it was a major reason the team didn't even make the play in game. This year he started playing Fournier over him and Rose as well. Glad he finally stopped that idiocy. But he deserves absolutely no credit for finally removing his head from his ass when his job was in jeopardy.
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He stunted IQ's progress last year by playing Burks over him until the very end of the season. This year, he wasted a bunch of games playing Rose and Fournier ahead of him. Thibs gets no credit here.
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I’m not sure too many other coaches would have gotten this much from this group and he’s developed IQ fantastically, having played him a lot as a rookie and given him more important minutes as he’s progressed. This team is scoring real well and playing great defense and everyone is giving 100%. Very unselfish team that picks each other up. That all comes from the effort and preparation from the coaches
That’s ridiculous.
The player development here has literally been the best we have ever seen as Knicks fans.
You’re gonna kill Thibs for not playing a (slightly) struggling second year guard near max minutes while playing a steady vet instead. Never mind that IQ did play a lot last season….
He stunted IQ yet in year 3 he’s blossoming into a star.
This is absolute BS, i hated Thibs last year i wanted him fired earlier this year but to say he gets no credit is absolutely ludicrous and it shows you dont know what you are watching.
Thibs is not the same stubborn coach he was last year, he has changed a lot in his schemes and rotation.
He changed how he defends the 3 point line, yes he still plays drop coverage at times but he also doesmt have the wing sink as much anymore and teams are not getting that wide open corner 3 as much. If teams start to hit that pull up off the pick and roll he has the big step more and stall the ball handler..
He benched Rose and Fournier, not just said ok going to limit your minutes, completely done. You know how hard that is to do jn an NBA locker room? 2 respected vets benched completely and he didnt lose the locker room and he did it to get Mcbride minutes..
He has staggered the lineups better so that rj gets minutes with the second unit and allows him to be more agressive at times. He is not playing all his starters entire quarters..
and to say he hasnt developed anyone is lazy, yes Quick should of played mlre last year but Thibs went to a 9 man rotation with 6 drafted players and to give Quickley 30 minutes...
To say Thibs has nothing to do with this is lazy and false
You are the one being ridiculous. Starting playing a cooked Kemba over him with Rose as the first guard off the bench. Then he played Burks out of position over him. There were even games where he started McBride over him. When the season was finally winding down, he balled out. Thibs not playing him is why he developed. Thibs handled playing time horribly last year and it was a major reason the team didn't even make the play in game. This year he started playing Fournier over him and Rose as well. Glad he finally stopped that idiocy. But he deserves absolutely no credit for finally removing his head from his ass when his job was in jeopardy.
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He stunted IQ's progress last year by playing Burks over him until the very end of the season. This year, he wasted a bunch of games playing Rose and Fournier ahead of him. Thibs gets no credit here.
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I’m not sure too many other coaches would have gotten this much from this group and he’s developed IQ fantastically, having played him a lot as a rookie and given him more important minutes as he’s progressed. This team is scoring real well and playing great defense and everyone is giving 100%. Very unselfish team that picks each other up. That all comes from the effort and preparation from the coaches
That’s ridiculous.
The player development here has literally been the best we have ever seen as Knicks fans.
You’re gonna kill Thibs for not playing a (slightly) struggling second year guard near max minutes while playing a steady vet instead. Never mind that IQ did play a lot last season….
He stunted IQ yet in year 3 he’s blossoming into a star.
This is absolute BS, i hated Thibs last year i wanted him fired earlier this year but to say he gets no credit is absolutely ludicrous and it shows you dont know what you are watching.
Thibs is not the same stubborn coach he was last year, he has changed a lot in his schemes and rotation.
He changed how he defends the 3 point line, yes he still plays drop coverage at times but he also doesmt have the wing sink as much anymore and teams are not getting that wide open corner 3 as much. If teams start to hit that pull up off the pick and roll he has the big step more and stall the ball handler..
He benched Rose and Fournier, not just said ok going to limit your minutes, completely done. You know how hard that is to do jn an NBA locker room? 2 respected vets benched completely and he didnt lose the locker room and he did it to get Mcbride minutes..
He has staggered the lineups better so that rj gets minutes with the second unit and allows him to be more agressive at times. He is not playing all his starters entire quarters..
and to say he hasnt developed anyone is lazy, yes Quick should of played mlre last year but Thibs went to a 9 man rotation with 6 drafted players and to give Quickley 30 minutes...
To say Thibs has nothing to do with this is lazy and false
Proper Perspective. Thibs isn't perfect by any means, but he has made tremendous key adjustments this year that have played a large role in the success we are having right now.
He's not a great offensive coach with his sets, but that's not his strong point. He has his team ready to play night in night out and more often than not gets the most out of his talent overall. Prior to him we ran through a litany of bums that couldn't sniff another job in the NBA afterwards -Fiz, Hornacek, Fisher. You all couldn't run them out of here fast enough. I'm just glad Rose is more patient than most in here because I know Woodson is a solid coach but for my money Thibs is the best we've had here since Van Gundy
In this structure, I think he would also have been an excellent coach. Patient management helps a lot.
They gave thibs "Thibs players". All these guys are relentless workers. There isnt a single guy in the mix that you would call a black sheep in the bunchm That's why they're winning. The coach respects and trusts them because they are his type of players.
He's not a great offensive coach with his sets, but that's not his strong point. He has his team ready to play night in night out and more often than not gets the most out of his talent overall. Prior to him we ran through a litany of bums that couldn't sniff another job in the NBA afterwards -Fiz, Hornacek, Fisher. You all couldn't run them out of here fast enough. I'm just glad Rose is more patient than most in here because I know Woodson is a solid coach but for my money Thibs is the best we've had here since Van Gundy
it me or has Mark Daigneault (under the radar) done a pretty incredible job this season with OKC? They are 30-34 which is 1 game behind the Lakers/Blazers/Jazz/Pelicans. They went 24-58 last year, they drafted Holmgren but he hasn't played a single game and their young players all seem to be developing nicely
with Brunson and Randle, however his injury history is making it tough for me. He barely plays and is getting up there in age, but he's the closer we need next to Brunson. I'd be all for a package around RJ, but I'm not sure that'll be enough for the Clippers. If I'm them and I'm breaking it down, I need a bunch of premium picks. Not an underwhelming young player making a lot of money and another underwhelming young player who's going to need to be paid soon.
if they could turn RJ and the Rose and/or Fournier contracts - along with Obi, picks, etc. into someone really good this summer. But at this time there doesn't appear to be anyone obvious.
with Brunson and Randle, however his injury history is making it tough for me. He barely plays and is getting up there in age, but he's the closer we need next to Brunson. I'd be all for a package around RJ, but I'm not sure that'll be enough for the Clippers. If I'm them and I'm breaking it down, I need a bunch of premium picks. Not an underwhelming young player making a lot of money and another underwhelming young player who's going to need to be paid soon.
The ideal player would be at minimum a star/border-line super star who is at least 6'3, can play the 2,3,or 5 and give you both high level offense and at least above average defense.
if they could turn RJ and the Rose and/or Fournier contracts - along with Obi, picks, etc. into someone really good this summer. But at this time there doesn't appear to be anyone obvious.
Going to be an interesting off-season. There will be options in terms of "decent" players in the LaVine/OG realm but you don't want to pull the trigger on the wrong one/make a deal just to make one.
RJB, Fournier, Hartenstein and a 1st for Lebron... let's gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lol
Hart may need to score a little more off the bench, deuce can step into the hustle defender role off the bench
Hart may need to score a little more off the bench, deuce can step into the hustle defender role off the bench
How weird is it to say that about the Knicks? For years and years, it's felt like they were one injury away from disaster. Now, about the only player they can't afford to lose is Randle (speaking of things that are weird to say). I don't think Toppin is close to being able to pick up the slack for a full game, never mind an extended absence. Hope we don't have to find out anytime soon.
I would rather see Fournier get burn than McBride.
McBride and Hart can play D but are not going add enough on the offensive end.
I would rather see Fournier get burn than McBride.
McBride and Hart can play D but are not going add enough on the offensive end.
Quickley can step in and score, he is averaging 15 effeciently playing off of Brunson and Randle...
Hart has proven he can score when he needs to, he gets easy buckets in transition and so far has hit the 3..
Would be a great time for Rj to step up and hit some shots..
Knicks have plenty to step in and score, you cant replace Brunson's poise and clutch shots down the stretch, that is where the Knicks need to step up and figure out hoe to finish
Charlotte is horrible and tanking, nets dont have a bad team but againdt good teams they will struggle to close out games because they dont have a closer, onviousoy they will have games like they did vs Bostonn..
Yup, 3-1 is a good week, not conceding but i am not going to get mad at a loss tonight..
I would rather see Fournier get burn than McBride.
McBride and Hart can play D but are not going add enough on the offensive end.
Just a guess but I think we see the 10 man rotation tonight with IQ starting and both Fournier and McBride getting some minutes.
Brunson is a lot to replace.
It’s ridiculous and this should be something that bumps SGA out of all nba. He was incredible but if he’s gonna be getting limited mini items and missing games then he shouldn’t be receiving votes
Good start for Rj
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It’s ridiculous and this should be something that bumps SGA out of all nba. He was incredible but if he’s gonna be getting limited mini items and missing games then he shouldn’t be receiving votes
Presti is very good at acquiring picks but is a little overrated in my opinion, he got KD, Westbrook and Harden and maybe in any other city he wins because they would of paid all 3 but what has he done since?
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Scoring is up around the league - but this is still impressive, especially considering they can't hit free throws and a below average shooter (RJ, duh) takes so many shots.
He is playing great tonight
He is playing great tonight
he has been grrat offensively but he also still does stupid stuff on the court
He is playing great tonight
Great? Really?
They penetrate differently, Quickley is not herky jerky, its try to dribble by someone, Brunson dribble to set you up to get you off balance and then dribble by you into open space..
Brunson is more cerebral and footwork is crazy
It depends on the move. I am not so sure that they have to go big game hunting anymore. If they do, it depends who they are giving up.
Flop
Right now you have Rj and randle trying to do it and they are just pounding the ball, Rj started hot and has now cooled off but he is still forcing
He is playing great tonight
he fucked up two lobs. He fucked up a fast break with Randle. He didn't box out on at least two plays that directly led to points for Boston. .
You don't know what you're watching.
Break his fucking nose
I would have actually started the 2nd half with Fournier
he looks scared out there, everytime he makes a move its fast and goes nowhere
Leave Quick in Thibs, he alright
Yes. Knicks D wearing them down and paying dividends in the 4th
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All he does all night is draw charges even off the fucking ball. I mean you're right Obi is just trying to get to the corner there and he gets in his way. Before Mitch was trying to roll to the hoop. Same thing.
Julius shoot the fucking ball!!!!!!!!
Motherfuck
Julius is just fucking around too much there.
Get to the spot and shoot versus the smaller man. No need for 15 dribbles, hesitations, or pump fakes.
I didn't either.
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Julius is just fucking around too much there.
Get to the spot and shoot versus the smaller man. No need for 15 dribbles, hesitations, or pump fakes.
I know it’s ridiculous. Not as bad as Batum, but close. This was gonna come down to the wire regardless. Hopefully IQ can get to this inbounds.
The problem on that play is hart not taking horford off the dribble again and instead passing the ball to Randle 35 feet from the rim with 7 seconds on the shot clock.
And 2 clutch free throws by Randle. Don't know why, but I was expecting a miss there.
Not even close
Every team in the nba would’ve done the same thing there. The issue was Julius trying to do too much instead of just facing up and shooting.
Yup
i told myself i dont care if they win or lose tonight, and here i am heart beating fast hoping for a win
IQ has played the entire 2nd half and the first OT
I’m at the lake so only following game on play by play and will watch when back home. Is there a chance Thibbs told them to foul to send them to the line with a three point lead. He did that one game a few weeks ago
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IQ has played the entire 2nd half and the first OT
Kid's a stud.
In time for the franchise tag decision?
Lmaoooo
More like foul #17
Celtics know how to win and get the calls. But Knicks stood with them basket for basket
Really hope they pull it out
THE FUCKING
BALL
THE FUCKING
BALL
He should’ve, but WTF is Randle doing?
Stop pump faking EVERYTHING
I think he knew he was going to get fouled and not get the call..didnt want to force it..
hahaha my legs hurt watching this
That time Mitch contested the Horford 3 and did well not to foul him
Yup Mitch almost blocked that
Love this kid
and having to make excuses for Ja Morant the entire time calling it mental health
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Incredible
That three in the second OT was humongous.
Randle did his best to fuck things up. I think out of 7 isos for him down the stretch he made one basket and turned the ball over 4 times. Not to mention some dumb fouls and fouling to box out the immortal Grant Williams a bunch of times.
No. There’s plenty of scoring already on the first unit, which is why Grimes gets hardly any shots.
I will stumble on that video 20 years from now and still laugh my ass off. That guy storming out of the Garden like Mel Gibson in Braveheart saying “We’re taking it all the way!!!l” with the blunt in his hand just kills me every time.
Yeah it was. Felt like we were on the ropes quite a bit in those OTs, but this team finds a way.
athe random fuck tom brady hahahah
it's more important that they figure out who closes. I'd love to finish with all four of Brunson, IQ, Hart, and Grimes out there along Randle but defensive rebounding would take a hit. I just don't see a reason for RJ to be out there at the end when we have 3 guys who are much better wing defenders. RJ's defense on Tatum when he missed the layup at the end of the first OT was horrendous.
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MY only concerns are double teams against Randle at the end of games and FT shooting which is crucial in the playoffs and the knicks aren't great overall
Another guy who never got tired
Lmaooooo
This is fucking awesome. 3-0 against Boston this year.
And it is so sweet after a Knicks amazing victory
Another guy who never got tired
You’re right tho, starks could play 8 straight quarters and still be fresh. All these guys seem to have energy for days like starks did.
Amazing.
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Yes and JR as well.
Gotta give Leon and his patience some credit. Quickley is definitely that guy. I hope we don't do what the Mavs did and let him go. He's a real keeper. Give him the bag.
Gotta give Leon and his patience some credit. Quickley is definitely that guy. I hope we don't do what the Mavs did and let him go. He's a real keeper. Give him the bag.
Wouldn’t worry too much about IQ being allowed to leave, he’s apparently (and has been) a major favorite of multiple members of the FO. I’m not saying they wouldn’t move him in an Embiid deal but outside of a superstar I’m confident he’s a Knick long term
Basically the only reason the Knicks aren't a top 3 seed in the East right now are the litany of 1st half home losses to teams that are either in the play-in or won't even make it- 2 to Toronto, Dameless Portland, Chicago, Wizards, Lakers etc... You're always gonna have those type of games throughout a long season but we have an inordinate amount of them. Oh well its all in the past. Now we can just look forward.
RJ and Quickley stepped up
This team is jelling at the right time and I am starting to believe they can make some noise or at least make the playoffs fun
RJ and Quickley stepped up
This team is jelling at the right time and I am starting to believe they can make some noise or at least make the playoffs fun
Not a dump on Randle post at all but he was forcing the issue despite clearly being “off”. I only mention this because in seasons past if this happened the Knicks would have little chance of beating a good team (unless RJB carried them). Last night felt different in that way. The Knicks need Randle to win a playoff series/go deep. But it’s nice knowing they can beat a good team even when he’s not “on”.
RJ and Quickley stepped up
This team is jelling at the right time and I am starting to believe they can make some noise or at least make the playoffs fun
its amazing how far we come with Randle, 31 points 9 rebounds and 4 assists with clutch 3s and clutch free throws and we consider it a rough game and i agree with you Randle looked exhausted..
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Love that guy. What a difference maker.
Gotta give Leon and his patience some credit. Quickley is definitely that guy. I hope we don't do what the Mavs did and let him go. He's a real keeper. Give him the bag.
Wouldn’t worry too much about IQ being allowed to leave, he’s apparently (and has been) a major favorite of multiple members of the FO. I’m not saying they wouldn’t move him in an Embiid deal but outside of a superstar I’m confident he’s a Knick long term
Yeah, I guess the question would be if they'd want to give him an RJ level deal to keep him. I do think they really want to keep him though.
He should be available for an Embiid type deal but otherwise, the list of "players that are better than Immanuel Quickley" is getting shorter and shorter by the day.
Gotta give Leon and his patience some credit. Quickley is definitely that guy. I hope we don't do what the Mavs did and let him go. He's a real keeper. Give him the bag.
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Love that guy. What a difference maker.
Gotta give Leon and his patience some credit. Quickley is definitely that guy. I hope we don't do what the Mavs did and let him go. He's a real keeper. Give him the bag.
But what finally brought Thibs around to trusting him?
His defense, I bet.
He's taken a whole nother leap there.
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Love that guy. What a difference maker.
Gotta give Leon and his patience some credit. Quickley is definitely that guy. I hope we don't do what the Mavs did and let him go. He's a real keeper. Give him the bag.
But what finally brought Thibs around to trusting him?
two things:
1: His defense, hustle and rebounding keep him on the floor whether he is hitting shots or not..
2: He is playing with much better pace, he doesnt jjst come down and chuck, he moves the ball and hr has learned how to play off of Brunson and Randle.
Randle is always going to be turnover prone on a night where he has to carry the team himself because he's slow to get into his ISO game. That's why Brunson orchestrating the offense is so key to this season. And that's why once Randle started going to dribble handoffs to IQ a lot, and IQ getting red hot, the offense started to really click better.
Randle is always going to be turnover prone on a night where he has to carry the team himself because he's slow to get into his ISO game. That's why Brunson orchestrating the offense is so key to this season. And that's why once Randle started going to dribble handoffs to IQ a lot, and IQ getting red hot, the offense started to really click better.
Again, it shouldn’t be insulting to be critical of a player compared to an all-timer or all-timers but Randle is a “less talented” version of similar players, iso dominant franchise players aka Lebron/Durant types so if he’s asked to do too much or feels like it’s “on him”, things can get sloppy. Far, far less this season but when Randle feels it’s him “or else” he over dribbles and takes silly shots. Turnovers stand out but to my eyes, with him they come in waves or sloppiness as if he’s gassed and pushing through it or thinks it’s all on him.
1: His defense, hustle and rebounding keep him on the floor whether he is hitting shots or not..
2: He is playing with much better pace, he doesnt jjst come down and chuck, he moves the ball and hr has learned how to play off of Brunson and Randle.
2. Randle was excellent again, but he's just so dumb in crunch time. His awareness in late game situations is a problem. Why do we keep going to him? We have Brunson and Quick who can break down a defense at will and we are giving the ball to Randle 20 feet from the basket. Why???
3. RJ can fill up a stat sheet and still have a bad game. He's so frustrating to watch because he doesn't do any of the little things well. His defense isn't only bad, he lacks effort and his defensive IQ is just brutal. He's also terrible in important situations. He doesn't box out and he's very lazy.
4. Mitch wasn't all that good yesterday either. He's always flat footed and slow to recover. He's so long that nobody should ever get past him, but goes get around him with ease. He's also a brutal FT shooter so it's tough to play him in games like that. Unfortunately we don't have a lot of options.
5. This team is for real and if we can start letting Brunson and Quickley close games, I think we are onto something. This teams offensive efficiency is off the charts. The effort is relentless most of the time. Our best players give 150% night in and night out. We now have 3 guys who are plus perimeter defenders and multiple shot makers. Look out for the Knicks.
You just gonna disregard Jeremy Lin like that?
It makes you an elite team when you have multiple guys who can say alright this guy is off i will step up but also when others have it going can still make an impact eith limited shot attempts
Another guy who never got tired
I liked Starks, but I think Quickly is a more consistent and efficient shooter and a better ball handler.
Yeah, where the fuck did that come from?
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"A forty-piece? Was that a forty-piece?"
"That's a Dub!"
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I don't agree. Mitch gets the ball at the top of the key often. If he was capable of doing what he did last night, he would do it. He's also always talking about how hes going to start shooting this year, but then never does. I think it's just easier to do these things in workouts and practice rather when real bullets are flying.
Starks also made an all star team and a defensive all nba team. And was one of the top players for a team that was a legit championship contender. That said, I think IQ's ceiling is a player that's much better than Starks ever was.
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I don't agree. Mitch gets the ball at the top of the key often. If he was capable of doing what he did last night, he would do it. He's also always talking about how hes going to start shooting this year, but then never does. I think it's just easier to do these things in workouts and practice rather when real bullets are flying.
Kanter used to post workout videos on instagram where he looked like a combination of Dirk, Luka, and Durant. Then the games would start and he never took a shot outside the paint, lol.
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was just based on the fact that they both give max effort all the time. Playing wise, they weren't that similar. Starks was a SG who could slash and explode at the rim. Quick is a combo guard that can handle the ball like a PG and shoot like a SG. He's not as explosive, but he's very crafty. Starks relied on raw athleticism, Quickly uses his savvy.
Starks also made an all star team and a defensive all nba team. And was one of the top players for a team that was a legit championship contender. That said, I think IQ's ceiling is a player that's much better than Starks ever was.
I agree. I was the worlds biggest Starks fan. He was my favorite player growing up in all of sports and part of the allure was that he came from nowhere and became a key contributor to a consistent contender. Quickley is way more skilled and adds way more that Starks could.
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Interesting seeing Leon Rose was there last night. Dapped him up at the end of that video. IQ gonna make some money playing like this.
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Think some of Mitch’s limitations are scheme based. If you watch some of his workout videos he’s actually pretty decent with the ball in his hand and has some range. We don’t see it in games and workouts are just that but I’m not completely surprised he’s able to make plays like that. More surprised we don’t see more of it
I don't agree. Mitch gets the ball at the top of the key often. If he was capable of doing what he did last night, he would do it. He's also always talking about how hes going to start shooting this year, but then never does. I think it's just easier to do these things in workouts and practice rather when real bullets are flying.
Kanter used to post workout videos on instagram where he looked like a combination of Dirk, Luka, and Durant. Then the games would start and he never took a shot outside the paint, lol.
In fairness, that doesn't mean Kanter wasn't capable of expanding his range in-game. It's not as if he tried and failed. He chose not to.
But now all of a sudden Quickley has become a plus defender? Definitely an unexpected and pleasant development to his game. Both Lou Will and Craw were awful defenders who couldn't guard random FedEx drivers, Quickley looks to have some Pat Bev in him on D.
Not too many little offensive sparkplugs who can also make an impact with their defense. Really unique player in that sense.
Knicks look dangerous. Knicks/Cavs is THE series I want to see in Round 1 in the East, and probably #2 overall besides the potential 4/5 Warriors vs. Suns matchup out West.
The emergence of IQ also basically means we made the right choice with Mitchell.
The team is fine on scoring...
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he's got two things in his favor - above average wingspan allows him to play bigger and apparently his court sense/awareness/intelligence on defense is fantastic:
Quickley doesn’t have eyes in the back of his head, but he can sense what’s happening behind him.
“(It’s) kind of a feel. And also as you see games, you see the same patterns,” Quickley said. “Pretty much everybody in the league runs the same stuff.”
Quickley has become obsessed with basketball minutiae. He’s able to recognize other teams’ plays just from the actions he’s defending, which then allows him to direct the defenders behind him.
He has something resembling a video-graphic memory. When asked if he would give his thoughts to The Athletic on the play that’s referenced above, Quickley grabbed the iPhone to view the video, saw the freeze frame before pressing play and remarked, “Oh, this was a good one.” He then proceeded to run through what he remembered from the possession before even watching it.
The interaction was weeks after the game against the Sixers.
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according to nba.com he has four total drives the last three seasons. Please forgive me for not remembering them. I'm getting forgetful in my old age....
But we all know Thibs is not exactly known for his open-minded approach so maybe there's this ball handling/driving and dunking version of Mitch that's just waiting to be unlocked!
I'm not "blaming" anyone. I'm suggesting Mitch having the green light to make offensive decisions likely isn't part of the playbook (not should it be). I'm going to guess if he had the "option" to look to do more, he likely would do a *little* more or at least dabble with a bit more.
It will be an interesting negotiation because I think IQ's representation can make a very strong case that IQ is the better player between him and Barrett.
I would expect something similar to the Herro or Jordan Poole contracts. I believe it was 4/130 for Herro and 4/140 for Poole.
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It will be an interesting negotiation because I think IQ's representation can make a very strong case that IQ is the better player between him and Barrett.
I would expect something similar to the Herro or Jordan Poole contracts. I believe it was 4/130 for Herro and 4/140 for Poole.
Yeah i can see something around Poole, similar players, both could easily start on another team..
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It will be an interesting negotiation because I think IQ's representation can make a very strong case that IQ is the better player between him and Barrett.
I would expect something similar to the Herro or Jordan Poole contracts. I believe it was 4/130 for Herro and 4/140 for Poole.
yeah, maybe I'm low on what he's going to get. IQ is definitely better than RJ. And if he and the team have a strong playoff run, he'll be asking for a big money deal. The only think in the Knicks' favor is that this summer is the only time teams really have the hammer when it comes to contract negotiations since he's two years away from unrestricted free agency. If you're offering guaranteed life changing money, it's hard for these guys who are not obvious max players to say no. And IQ is still young enough that he'll likely be getting a third contract down the road.
And with the cap expected to really rise, a good player on almost any non-max contract is likely to be a good contract.
He's made a fortune this season with his play and he's earned it. I'm guessing he's getting a a Herro/ Poole contract at this point- 4-125/ 130. He's getting paid and would have a long list of suitors if he ever made it to free agency. And he's better than RJ and its not particularly close at this point.
And this isn't about "Thibs trusting him". This about him improving his game, putting the work in and taken the next step. He was not good for most of last year and kudos to him for bouncing back in a big way.
Thibs and the coaching staff also deserve credit for his and others development. I also find it funny that fans are still cricizing Thibs offense.
I believe Brogdon is considered the favorite. Loaded field this year with IQ, Brogdon, Poole, Powell, Monk, Maxey, even old friend Bobby Portis
That's fair and not directing this at you or really even fans on here. Just the general idea that the guy can't coach offense and that he's some antiquated basketball dinosaur.
He's a damn good coach and obviously a very bright basketball mind. The term culture is overused but Thibs is a big part of the culture change here. We aren't that removed from the Fizdale circus act...and many before him. That's not easy to do.
Meaning he trusts his players to make the right play, if its open shoot, if your doubled make the right read. It is all read what you see..
Now does Randle take advantage of that sometimes? absolutely but i also thing he has reigned it in a lot and give him credit last night in OT he said Quickley you take it..
At the end of games it has been more Brunson, and it has worked, NBA is about how far your top 2 guys can take you with a 3rd guy sprinkled in and the rest filling in their roles..Knicks have that right now
– via Alberto De Roa @ HoopsHype
Wasn't sure if I'd live long enough to see the Knicks get a really good point guard, let alone two.
or you could just play them together? Seems like a young/ascending two way guard who offers ball handling/shot making/defense might be a good fit next to our all-nba caliber PG.
You gotta keep him as long as you can. A guard-defender and defensive playmaker who can score inside and outside is exactly what you need when you start talking about winning a playoffs series.
Great problem to have.
Meaning he trusts his players to make the right play, if its open shoot, if your doubled make the right read. It is all read what you see..
Now does Randle take advantage of that sometimes? absolutely but i also thing he has reigned it in a lot and give him credit last night in OT he said Quickley you take it..
At the end of games it has been more Brunson, and it has worked, NBA is about how far your top 2 guys can take you with a 3rd guy sprinkled in and the rest filling in their roles..Knicks have that right now
+1000. Thibs system is rigid but IF he has the players that can run it it can be glorious. Also his rotations have been considerably smarter as well.
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I think IQ is a great fit with Brunson. Even if he becomes the starting 2. You have multiple ball handlers/ creators, they both can shoot off ball, and IQ can guard most guards and even some 3s. He's an excellent fit.
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I think IQ is a great fit with Brunson. Even if he becomes the starting 2. You have multiple ball handlers/ creators, they both can shoot off ball, and IQ can guard most guards and even some 3s. He's an excellent fit.
Yup and if you trade a couple of rotation guys for a star or upgrade Quickley becomes even more important
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Knicks Bing bong! The Knicks are officially the hottest team in the NBA, beating the Nets, Heat and the Celtics twice this week to run their win streak to nine games. Julius Randle and Jalen Brunson each averaged more than 27 points for the week, but the spotlight has momentarily shifted toward Immanuel Quickley, who carried the Knicks to a double-overtime win over Boston on Sunday with a career-high 38 points, eight rebounds and seven assists.
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The league has rescinded Giannis Antetokounmpo's 10th rebound last night, per @ZachLowe_NBA
I honestly don't give a shit. Other teams have great multiple lead guards why can't we. Pay IQ a shit load of money and find a way to make it work, like it is right this very moment. PLay him at the 2 sometimes, backing up JB and also play them together. It can work and it worked here with two bigger stars in Clyde and Earl the Pearl.
I am not trading IQ for anything less than a legend / super star. He's ours. We found him, you aint getting him!
At a minimum, on a rookie extension he is a hugely tradeable asset. I think that now that he's in the Thibs circle of trust, minutes won't be an issue.
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The league has rescinded Giannis Antetokounmpo's 10th rebound last night, per @ZachLowe_NBA
I’m happy about this. Love Giannis, but that was cheap af.
It was lame when Bobby Sura and Ricky Davis tried it, it’s lame today.
I’m sure Giannis will be ok.
Them ankles can blow up. That was a serious twist he had.
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its not the ankle, its the other foot probably from favoring the anjle the rest of the heat game
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A coach from an opposing team - a team that will not face the Knicks in the playoffs - on NYK in postseason: "You will get beat up on both sides of the ball – you’ll feel it over the course of a series. Even if you beat them, they will wear you out.” More:
Man do I love to hear that. This has become a very likeable Knicks team. Guys playing hard, not sitting out games, really good defense and the offense has been entertaining too.
It’s been a fun year.
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its not the ankle, its the other foot probably from favoring the anjle the rest of the heat game
Wow....good to know. That hopefully turns out to be a much lesser injury then
Just giving the ball to Randle for final shot 20 second Iso ball still sucks. Twice in two nights he's had the ball swiped from his hands and those could have been losses but for one circus shot and IQ putting the team on his back.
So I get what you're saying.
I'm right there with you. This iso ball with Randle at the end of games is terrible basketball and majority of the time leads to turnovers or bad shots at the end of the shot clock. Brunson and then Quickley as 2nd option should have the ball in their hands and let them decide what they want to do with it . Thibs needs to stop being stubborn with this or it will kill them in the playoffs when teams double and triple team Randle
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I have a macro Knicks question. The goal coming into the year was to trade for a star. I think that’s still the goal. But with how good this team has become, I think they can afford to be discerning.
Who are the stars that might hit the market that actually make sense for them?"
I have killed Thibs a lot, but there is not a coach in this league that wouldnt habe put the ball in Randle's hands at the end of the game..
and recently its been Brunson...
The Elam ending is a gimmick. Leave it where it belongs, on the playground
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I have a macro Knicks question. The goal coming into the year was to trade for a star. I think that’s still the goal. But with how good this team has become, I think they can afford to be discerning.
Who are the stars that might hit the market that actually make sense for them?"
Of guys that could be available this summer, I’d say you give up the war chest for Embiid if he comes available. I’d give up a lot for Bridges if he becomes available.
Guys that could be available at some point in 24 depending on how things play out with their current teams, Luka, Jaylen Brown (they’d never trade him here), Paul George.
There are plenty of other guys that would help, but I’m not giving up a huge haul for the LaVine/Towns types.
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The Elam ending is a gimmick. Leave it where it belongs, on the playground
Those gimmicks are stupid. Just make it 2 or 3 minutes. Simple.
IQ was awesome. He's going to get Sixth Man of the Year love & justifiably so.
Randle...he looks like the JR of two seasons ago.
As much shit as Thibs got here-from myself included-he's done helluva job this season.
At wing it's a little murky. Supposedly LaVine has been playing well and looks to be back from his injury, but the knock on him has always been his defense. It's too bad because offensively he'd slot in nicely IMO.
Ideally you'd get a guy like Gordon Hayward (the Utah version) - but I don't see who fits that bill.
Even more ideal would be RJ ascending to that type of player, but that's a VERY optimistic projection for him.
I don't think Morey has ever traded away a star player who was in his prime. If they did decide to trade him they would want EVERYTHING from us. Assuming a trade would take place this summer, the package would start with the four future unprotected picks and three swaps you're allowed to trade and whoever we draft in the upcoming draft. And then they'd want the extra picks we have coming from other teams. And then they'd want players like Mitch, IQ, Grimes, and RJ. And they'd probably want us to take back Harris as well.
If they dont need a star, id look to move Rj for a player that fits a little better, more of shooter and defender. I dont think it is all Rjs fault but i think the fit makes it tougher for him. Need a guy in that spot that is willing to play mlre off the ball and rebound and defend, especially with the emerfence of Quick..
Also i like Toppin, hell i was pushing for him to start to start the season, i think he has real potential if given minutsz but i think where this team is at, adding a real 3 and d off the bench in that spot that can play the 3/4 would help out this team more..
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
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I’m not sure too many other coaches would have gotten this much from this group and he’s developed IQ fantastically, having played him a lot as a rookie and given him more important minutes as he’s progressed. This team is scoring real well and playing great defense and everyone is giving 100%. Very unselfish team that picks each other up. That all comes from the effort and preparation from the coaches
That’s ridiculous.
The player development here has literally been the best we have ever seen as Knicks fans.
You’re gonna kill Thibs for not playing a (slightly) struggling second year guard near max minutes while playing a steady vet instead. Never mind that IQ did play a lot last season….
He stunted IQ yet in year 3 he’s blossoming into a star.
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
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If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
He's still a 20+ point scorer who plays elite defense on the wing. It's not an easy calculation. Can RJ develop into that? If so you keep RJ. If not you trade him
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If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
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If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
If the Clippers blow it up (which I think could happen) the Knicks could get PG13 and filler for RJ, Rose and Fournier. Clippers would buy out Rose and Fournier for cap purposes.
PG13 would be a lockdown defender who can defend any position from point guard to power forward in the modern NBA (since power forwards nowadays are really bigger small forwards, not Charles Oakley or Anthony Mason types)
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He stunted IQ's progress last year by playing Burks over him until the very end of the season. This year, he wasted a bunch of games playing Rose and Fournier ahead of him. Thibs gets no credit here.
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I’m not sure too many other coaches would have gotten this much from this group and he’s developed IQ fantastically, having played him a lot as a rookie and given him more important minutes as he’s progressed. This team is scoring real well and playing great defense and everyone is giving 100%. Very unselfish team that picks each other up. That all comes from the effort and preparation from the coaches
That’s ridiculous.
The player development here has literally been the best we have ever seen as Knicks fans.
You’re gonna kill Thibs for not playing a (slightly) struggling second year guard near max minutes while playing a steady vet instead. Never mind that IQ did play a lot last season….
He stunted IQ yet in year 3 he’s blossoming into a star.
I confess I was ready to sell short on IQ. I thought he was a chucker on O and didn't have the frame to be a plus defender.
Glad to be proven wrong! Not sure how much of that is owing to Thibs and how much to IQ himself - probably a combo of the two.
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If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
You do realize he's averaging 24, 5 and 6 on 46/37/88% shooting with a 20.1 PER (career 19.4) and .123 WS/48. He wouldn't be my first target but "more name recognition" isn't very or accurate.
By RAPTOR he's been the 19th best player in the NBA in 2022-2023
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If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
Paul George is not a great fit. Come on now. You guys are 5 years behind. The Clippers are an absolute disappointment. And Paul George being overpaid and over rated is a huge part of that
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If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
Paul George is not a great fit. Come on now. You guys are 5 years behind. The Clippers are an absolute disappointment. And Paul George being overpaid and over rated is a huge part of that
But he is not coming here to carry the team..
38% from 3 means he can spread the floor, 46% from the field, 54% efg..
6 rebounds and 5 assists a game, meaning he does the little stuff on the boards and he moves the ball..
He can play off of Brunson and Randle and if 1 is off he can step in and take more of a load and he is a good defender
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If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
You do realize he's averaging 24, 5 and 6 on 46/37/88% shooting with a 20.1 PER (career 19.4) and .123 WS/48. He wouldn't be my first target but "more name recognition" isn't very or accurate.
By RAPTOR he's been the 19th best player in the NBA in 2022-2023 Link - ( New Window )
He’s also going to be 33 and his awesomeness has done nothing to help the Clips. Stats don’t mean anything to me. The guy is not someone to build around, given his age and where the Knicks are. George is playing with a ton of talent in LA. They’ve been a huge disappointment. You can have George and his stats. The Knicks should not rely on Paul George to be “the guy”. Sorry. Terrible idea.
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If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
Paul George is not a great fit. Come on now. You guys are 5 years behind. The Clippers are an absolute disappointment. And Paul George being overpaid and over rated is a huge part of that
But he is not coming here to carry the team..
38% from 3 means he can spread the floor, 46% from the field, 54% efg..
6 rebounds and 5 assists a game, meaning he does the little stuff on the boards and he moves the ball..
He can play off of Brunson and Randle and if 1 is off he can step in and take more of a load and he is a good defender
And if we want to move on from RJ we might get away with keeping all our picks (or almost all our picks). I know Kawhi is better than PG13 but we'd have to give up all our draft picks to get him
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If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
Paul George is not a great fit. Come on now. You guys are 5 years behind. The Clippers are an absolute disappointment. And Paul George being overpaid and over rated is a huge part of that
But he is not coming here to carry the team..
38% from 3 means he can spread the floor, 46% from the field, 54% efg..
6 rebounds and 5 assists a game, meaning he does the little stuff on the boards and he moves the ball..
He can play off of Brunson and Randle and if 1 is off he can step in and take more of a load and he is a good defender
That’s all great. But what are you willing to trade for George? Because I guarantee you he’s not free. And we all know the price of “stars” doesn’t exactly correlate with what fans want to give up
George would habe no pressure, he can come in and just be a piece and a damn good one
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If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
Paul George is not a great fit. Come on now. You guys are 5 years behind. The Clippers are an absolute disappointment. And Paul George being overpaid and over rated is a huge part of that
But he is not coming here to carry the team..
38% from 3 means he can spread the floor, 46% from the field, 54% efg..
6 rebounds and 5 assists a game, meaning he does the little stuff on the boards and he moves the ball..
He can play off of Brunson and Randle and if 1 is off he can step in and take more of a load and he is a good defender
That’s all great. But what are you willing to trade for George? Because I guarantee you he’s not free. And we all know the price of “stars” doesn’t exactly correlate with what fans want to give up
RJ, cap relief (Rose + Fournier) and a 1st round pick would get us PG13 if the Clippers decide to pursue a teardown. We get to keep a lot of our draft capital because we'd be giving them a young talent in RJ
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If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
Paul George is not a great fit. Come on now. You guys are 5 years behind. The Clippers are an absolute disappointment. And Paul George being overpaid and over rated is a huge part of that
But he is not coming here to carry the team..
38% from 3 means he can spread the floor, 46% from the field, 54% efg..
6 rebounds and 5 assists a game, meaning he does the little stuff on the boards and he moves the ball..
He can play off of Brunson and Randle and if 1 is off he can step in and take more of a load and he is a good defender
That’s all great. But what are you willing to trade for George? Because I guarantee you he’s not free. And we all know the price of “stars” doesn’t exactly correlate with what fans want to give up
RJ, cap relief (Rose + Fournier) and a 1st round pick would get us PG13 if the Clippers decide to pursue a teardown. We get to keep a lot of our draft capital because we'd be giving them a young talent in RJ
We ALWAYS think the Knicks have the parts for a deal. The problem is other teams are involved. It would take more than your offer and quite frankly, I’d rather keep RJ. I’m not trading him as one of multiple pieces for Paul George
Exactly! So what you’re saying is you’d deal RJ Barrett and multiple other players and picks for one year of 33 year old Paul George?
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If Jaylen Brown hits FA in 2024 you have to at least inquire
If the Clippers decide to blow it up, I'd see what they want for Paul George
Paul George? May I ask why? He’s more name recognition at this point than he is a player to build around. No thanks
George is a great fit and he has already talked about not being the number 1 option and being able to play off of other players
Paul George is not a great fit. Come on now. You guys are 5 years behind. The Clippers are an absolute disappointment. And Paul George being overpaid and over rated is a huge part of that
But he is not coming here to carry the team..
38% from 3 means he can spread the floor, 46% from the field, 54% efg..
6 rebounds and 5 assists a game, meaning he does the little stuff on the boards and he moves the ball..
He can play off of Brunson and Randle and if 1 is off he can step in and take more of a load and he is a good defender
That’s all great. But what are you willing to trade for George? Because I guarantee you he’s not free. And we all know the price of “stars” doesn’t exactly correlate with what fans want to give up
RJ, cap relief (Rose + Fournier) and a 1st round pick would get us PG13 if the Clippers decide to pursue a teardown. We get to keep a lot of our draft capital because we'd be giving them a young talent in RJ
We ALWAYS think the Knicks have the parts for a deal. The problem is other teams are involved. It would take more than your offer and quite frankly, I’d rather keep RJ. I’m not trading him as one of multiple pieces for Paul George
That's why it's such a hard calculation. What is RJ's ceiling? If it's near Paul George then you keep him. If not, then you make the deal. RJ is a very difficult player to gauge. He looks like he's got it all but the Knicks actually have a negative scoring margin this season when he's on the court
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was suggesting Paul George would be "the guy"? He'd be part of what it currently exists. Nobody is suggesting he's an A+ centerpiece. He has 1 year left + a player option, if the Clippers "blow it up" and were looking to rebuild.
Exactly! So what you’re saying is you’d deal RJ Barrett and multiple other players and picks for one year of 33 year old Paul George?
nobody said multiple other players and picks
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was suggesting Paul George would be "the guy"? He'd be part of what it currently exists. Nobody is suggesting he's an A+ centerpiece. He has 1 year left + a player option, if the Clippers "blow it up" and were looking to rebuild.
Exactly! So what you’re saying is you’d deal RJ Barrett and multiple other players and picks for one year of 33 year old Paul George?
Why would 1 year of Paul George (who according to you is in severe decline, overpaid, just a name etc) cost an arm and a leg? Would I move Barrett in a deal for him? Barrett and picks? Yeah I would. What's wrong with pushing the window forward? Would the Knicks win the title with Brunson/Randle/George/IQ as their top 4 players? Probably not but who knows? Outside of the Bucks, the Knicks likely would give any team in the East a legitimate run in a 7 game series.
I think adding George for Rj makes the Knicks 2nd best team in the east, taking Milwaukee to 6 or 7..
Definitely will be the buzz barring a great Philly playoffs performance( which is very possible).
But I disagree with the people who say Philly wouldn’t trade him to NY. A play of his stature is picking his next team. That team will have to give up every asset possible like PHX just did, but he is picking his team. That’s how the nba works now.
Id be shocked if Randle sits completely, maybe minutes shortened a little bit..
Definitely could see Brunson resting 1 more game
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He stunted IQ's progress last year by playing Burks over him until the very end of the season. This year, he wasted a bunch of games playing Rose and Fournier ahead of him. Thibs gets no credit here.
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I’m not sure too many other coaches would have gotten this much from this group and he’s developed IQ fantastically, having played him a lot as a rookie and given him more important minutes as he’s progressed. This team is scoring real well and playing great defense and everyone is giving 100%. Very unselfish team that picks each other up. That all comes from the effort and preparation from the coaches
That’s ridiculous.
The player development here has literally been the best we have ever seen as Knicks fans.
You’re gonna kill Thibs for not playing a (slightly) struggling second year guard near max minutes while playing a steady vet instead. Never mind that IQ did play a lot last season….
He stunted IQ yet in year 3 he’s blossoming into a star.
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In comment 16053584 ElitoCanton said:
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He stunted IQ's progress last year by playing Burks over him until the very end of the season. This year, he wasted a bunch of games playing Rose and Fournier ahead of him. Thibs gets no credit here.
In comment 16053580 steve in ky said:
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I’m not sure too many other coaches would have gotten this much from this group and he’s developed IQ fantastically, having played him a lot as a rookie and given him more important minutes as he’s progressed. This team is scoring real well and playing great defense and everyone is giving 100%. Very unselfish team that picks each other up. That all comes from the effort and preparation from the coaches
That’s ridiculous.
The player development here has literally been the best we have ever seen as Knicks fans.
You’re gonna kill Thibs for not playing a (slightly) struggling second year guard near max minutes while playing a steady vet instead. Never mind that IQ did play a lot last season….
He stunted IQ yet in year 3 he’s blossoming into a star.
This is absolute BS, i hated Thibs last year i wanted him fired earlier this year but to say he gets no credit is absolutely ludicrous and it shows you dont know what you are watching.
Thibs is not the same stubborn coach he was last year, he has changed a lot in his schemes and rotation.
He changed how he defends the 3 point line, yes he still plays drop coverage at times but he also doesmt have the wing sink as much anymore and teams are not getting that wide open corner 3 as much. If teams start to hit that pull up off the pick and roll he has the big step more and stall the ball handler..
He benched Rose and Fournier, not just said ok going to limit your minutes, completely done. You know how hard that is to do jn an NBA locker room? 2 respected vets benched completely and he didnt lose the locker room and he did it to get Mcbride minutes..
He has staggered the lineups better so that rj gets minutes with the second unit and allows him to be more agressive at times. He is not playing all his starters entire quarters..
and to say he hasnt developed anyone is lazy, yes Quick should of played mlre last year but Thibs went to a 9 man rotation with 6 drafted players and to give Quickley 30 minutes...
To say Thibs has nothing to do with this is lazy and false
They've done more player development and has more player development success under Rose/Thibs than they've done in the past 25 years.
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You are the one being ridiculous. Starting playing a cooked Kemba over him with Rose as the first guard off the bench. Then he played Burks out of position over him. There were even games where he started McBride over him. When the season was finally winding down, he balled out. Thibs not playing him is why he developed. Thibs handled playing time horribly last year and it was a major reason the team didn't even make the play in game. This year he started playing Fournier over him and Rose as well. Glad he finally stopped that idiocy. But he deserves absolutely no credit for finally removing his head from his ass when his job was in jeopardy.
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He stunted IQ's progress last year by playing Burks over him until the very end of the season. This year, he wasted a bunch of games playing Rose and Fournier ahead of him. Thibs gets no credit here.
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I’m not sure too many other coaches would have gotten this much from this group and he’s developed IQ fantastically, having played him a lot as a rookie and given him more important minutes as he’s progressed. This team is scoring real well and playing great defense and everyone is giving 100%. Very unselfish team that picks each other up. That all comes from the effort and preparation from the coaches
That’s ridiculous.
The player development here has literally been the best we have ever seen as Knicks fans.
You’re gonna kill Thibs for not playing a (slightly) struggling second year guard near max minutes while playing a steady vet instead. Never mind that IQ did play a lot last season….
He stunted IQ yet in year 3 he’s blossoming into a star.
This is absolute BS, i hated Thibs last year i wanted him fired earlier this year but to say he gets no credit is absolutely ludicrous and it shows you dont know what you are watching.
Thibs is not the same stubborn coach he was last year, he has changed a lot in his schemes and rotation.
He changed how he defends the 3 point line, yes he still plays drop coverage at times but he also doesmt have the wing sink as much anymore and teams are not getting that wide open corner 3 as much. If teams start to hit that pull up off the pick and roll he has the big step more and stall the ball handler..
He benched Rose and Fournier, not just said ok going to limit your minutes, completely done. You know how hard that is to do jn an NBA locker room? 2 respected vets benched completely and he didnt lose the locker room and he did it to get Mcbride minutes..
He has staggered the lineups better so that rj gets minutes with the second unit and allows him to be more agressive at times. He is not playing all his starters entire quarters..
and to say he hasnt developed anyone is lazy, yes Quick should of played mlre last year but Thibs went to a 9 man rotation with 6 drafted players and to give Quickley 30 minutes...
To say Thibs has nothing to do with this is lazy and false
Proper Perspective. Thibs isn't perfect by any means, but he has made tremendous key adjustments this year that have played a large role in the success we are having right now.
They gave thibs "Thibs players". All these guys are relentless workers. There isnt a single guy in the mix that you would call a black sheep in the bunchm That's why they're winning. The coach respects and trusts them because they are his type of players.
I would make a horrible GM hahaha
The ideal player would be at minimum a star/border-line super star who is at least 6'3, can play the 2,3,or 5 and give you both high level offense and at least above average defense.
Whoever fits that criteria is the ideal IMO.
Going to be an interesting off-season. There will be options in terms of "decent" players in the LaVine/OG realm but you don't want to pull the trigger on the wrong one/make a deal just to make one.
RJB, Fournier, Hartenstein and a 1st for Lebron... let's gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lol