hopefully a 10 year o'hara that starts from day 1.
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1. JOHN MICHAEL SCHMITZ, Minnesota (6-3 ½, 303, 5.31, 2): Sixth-year senior. “I have him ahead of Tippmann,” one scout said. “He’s my best center. Has a wrestling background. Very tough. Big and physical. He reminded me some of that kid that came out of Wisconsin, Travis Frederick. Has some athletic limitations but I think he can fit in both a gap and a zone scheme. He’s a good enough athlete. He’s played a lot of football. He’s a plug-and-play, Day 1 starter.” After redshirting in 2017, seldom getting on the field in ’18 and starting four games in ’19, he started all 31 games at center from 2020-’22. “Plays on his feet, works to finish, solid in the run game and pass pro,” a second scout said. “It wouldn’t surprise me if he starts right away. He has guard flex potentially, which is a big thing.” Wonderlic of 22. “More fun to watch than he is talented,” a third scout said. “We have him later in the draft. Center only. He’s stiff and bends at the waist. Balance and body control are an issue. He’s on the ground too much. Now, he is a prick. He’ll try to kill you on every play. But plays out of control.” Arms were 32 5/8, hands were 9 ½. “Heart and hustle,” said a fourth scout. “Gets in the way but nothing overly athletic about him. Just a smart, tough, heady player. He’ll start.” From Flossmoor, Ill.
Right as 2nd period ends in the Isles game, giants are ready to pick. I bet I get to flip to their next pick right after the game, then switch over to the Yanks, jerk off and go to bed.
Center, we needed that. I nothing about these guys but I wanted IOL or WR in round 2. Lets go.
Sixth year senior. Four-year starter from Flossmoor, IL. Named All-Big Ten three straight years including a first team honor in 2022. Also named a first team All-American in his final season. Schmitz is the point guard of the offensive line, fully capable of making all the calls and directing traffic. He does all the little things right and it adds up to consistent, reliable play. He excels in the running game with his combination of heavy contact and excellent footwork. While he is not the most natural athlete, he makes up for a lot of the shortcomings with proper angles, spacing, and timing. He has a great feel for when to peel off to the next man and his hands do a lot of damage. The shortcomings as a pass blocker on an island and occasional lapse in body control can cause some concern, but the floor is high for Schmitz. Schmitz has the mental capacity and reliable run blocking to fit into any situation right away and compete for a starting job, but this is a low ceiling, high-floor kind of player.
*Want a plug and play center that will immediately become the mental leader of your line? Schmitz is your guy. Want a high-upside athlete that is going to eventually be one of the top players at the position in the league? Look elsewhere. Schmitz is a classic “is what he is” type prospect. You know what you are getting, you know what you are not. One negative I could see NYG having on him is the fact he never played a position other than center. In addition, the already-24 year-old simply lacks more area to chew up on the progression curve. Will he likely provide the best OC play this team has had since…O’Hara? Probably. The question is about positional value, and everyone has an opinion on that. I like Schmitz, as do many in the league. But he only becomes an option for me in round 3, and I think he is gone by then.
he’s the guy. Fills a need. Safe pick in the sense that he’s a known quantity and he ticks the “smart” and “tough” boxes. Should be an upgrade over what the Giants had at C last season.
player but he's probably already reached his ceiling. Would have preferred to go in a different direction and take Stromberg in the third. My guess is that the Giants never thought he'd be available at #57, and he was just too much value to pass up.
New York Giants: John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota - A Grade
I'm shocked the Giants didn't draft a receiver, given their huge need at the position. Then again, they also had a huge need at center, and John Michael Schmitz is someone who could have been drafted 15-20 picks earlier than this. I love the value and need fill.
Should get reposted. I was down on using a higher pick on C but after reading that article, I honestly wouldn’t have been mad using a first rounder on him..it was a fantastic article.
RE: I didn’t want a center but if you’re taking one here,
he’s the guy. Fills a need. Safe pick in the sense that he’s a known quantity and he ticks the “smart” and “tough” boxes. Should be an upgrade over what the Giants had at C last season.
How would you not want a center, have u seen the depth chart?
if you want to get pumped up on him go look for anything jim nagy has said about him. he compared him to creed humphrey and said he was 1 of the top 31 players in the draft.
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Schmitz, a 2022 All-American, does “everything” well, Nagy said.
“He’s what you’re looking for in a center. He’s played a ton, he can handle it mentally, he’s a good communicator, he’s tough, he’s durable, he’s strong,” Nagy said. ” … He’s stronger than I thought he was watching him in person against really good people. He can really anchor, which I questioned a little bit on tape. So he’s got everything from the neck up, he’s played a ton of football, he’s gonna be able to help the quarterback a ton, you’re gonna be able to take a lot off the quarterback immediately.
“This guy’s ready to play … I think he’s a Day 1 starter and you’ve got a two-contract player that’s going to be a high-level player.”
Schmitz is a highly consistent zone-scheme center with decent size. He is well-schooled in all phases of the run game. He consistently uses the proper footwork and angles to find early positioning and has the tenacity to finish blocks at a high rate. He has plus football intelligence and makes the calls for his offense. His drive power is average and he can be hit-or-miss getting to second-level targets. Schmitz lacks length and his edges will get a little leaky in pass protection from time to time, but his overall technique and teamwork in the run game should create a plug-and-play opportunity in the pros.
John Michael Schmitz IOL, MINN
Height: 6-4, Weight: 301
Instant starter at center. Large but nimble. Reach blocks galore on his film. Recovery ability is there too. Not dominant but simply blocks everything. Fills a major need. (Chris Trapasso)
Johnson thought Schmitz was extremely smart and would do great with the line calls. I am guessing the Giants put a lot of stock in the mental part of playing center.
57. New York Giants: John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota
Big, thick and experienced, Schmitz (6-3 ½, 301) started 36 games over four seasons at center for the Gophers and guided one of college football’s most physical running games. Schmitz allowed just two sacks and three quarterback hits in the past three seasons. He was PFF’s highest-graded center, a first-team All-American and a finalist for the Rimington Trophy.
Minnesota’s offense used the zone read and often relied on a combination of zone and sweep runs. Schmitz is both physical at the point of attack and can pull when needed. He fits perfectly into the Giants offense and could start right away at center.
Instant starter at center. Large but nimble. Reach blocks galore on his film. Recovery ability is there too. Not dominant but simply blocks everything. Fills a major need. (Chris Trapasso)
Your first rounder should be trying to hit a ceiling, no problem with the obvious and safe pick at the end of the 2nd. He's plug and play, this shouldn't drive your decision but shouldn't be overlooked either. He's a cheap Day 1 starter that shouldn't be bad at starting.
The scout had me at "He's a prick and will try to kill you on every
I wouldn't have believe you if you told me that the Giants would pass on Hyatt, Tillman and Mimms in RD-2, after going Banks in RD-1.
Seems more like a Gettleman, "see hole, plug hole" kind of pick.
Not at all….
I mean let’s start with NOT having a legit center on roster
Secondly, Schmitz had a first round grade by most. It was very good value. Center is an important position. How many times as bbi complained about pocket getting blown up up the middle. We plugged a huge hole yea but got a ton of value here….
Same here, but the big three were Avila, Tippmann, and Schmitz. Any of those three being available at 57 was a longshot. Giants were blessed to have one. You take Schmitz and watch him flourish and stabilize the Center position form Day 1.
with first 2 picks (aside from a true #1 WR). I’ll let you guys argue whether value matched with the need, but with that Philly DL we certainly need to get better in the interior OL
athletic upside as Sy says, but knows his assignments, is tough and intelligent, and pulls very well. The Giants like to run a lot of sweeps with Barkley.
But I am having a very, very hard time getting as worked up over it as some others in here. He was still a worthy selection and a borderline third rounder relative to where we were picking. We've gotten inverse spoiled picking so early in rounds in the past few years!
This take has the advantage of being literally irrefutable—we’ll never know.
Juice Scruggs, a much inferior prospect to JMS, went a couple of picks later. I think there’s no way JMS would have been there for us at our current 3rd spot.
doesn't make it a fact. He does a good job, but the idolatry for him here is out of control. He had Torrence as a top 10 pick. He didn't go until the end of round 2.
Very tactical,dull and basically 100% what the Giants need. The Shaun O'Hara of Daniel Jones. It's amazing how good your quarterback looks when your center is not a doofus
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57) NYG: John Michael-Schmitz - OC/Minnesota
A guy many thought they would reach for in Rd 1 - they get ideal value for in round 2. Has a clear path to being a starter week 1 which also helps the depth at OG by keeping Bredeson available there. Will be staple at OC for years
Biggest need on the team. Instant starter and upgrade at C. If you wanted a pure C which I did, this is the guy. This is a move that will improve the whole offense. Feliciano was terrible last year so even average play improves the whole OL.
Solid unspectacular pick that was necessary.
RE: Smarten up. The dividends this Center could play out will make
So the Giants got Daniel Jones J.M. Schmitz Insurance. It's now Jones' turn to hug Joe Shoen.
The Giants already have 12 WRs on the roster, but not a single reasonable starting Center. Those WRs should also be hugging Shoen. Now they may be able to run more than 10yd routes.
Many here have been lamenting the inattention past GMs have paid to that position group. Those days are over.
This. Eli never got his 3rd crack at a run because of the OL neglect. Was running on fumes for SB 46 and the tank has been empty since outside of Andrew Thomas. Jury still out on Neal and I believe Ezeudu will be at worst a swing tacke.
This man is serious and should be around a long time
No guarantee of that. This guy has to win a job. He could get Jones killed if you start him right away.
You're right. He probably sucks. Giants FO doesn't know what they are doing. They are clearly behind the 8-ball on player evaluation. Especially in the draft. I wish they would hire some BBI'ers already. For Crissakes.
The average weight of an NFL Center is 306.2 pounds.
The average height of an NFL Center is 75.91 inches (just under 6’4″ tall)
Who are the Lightest Centers in the NFL?
You might assume that all NFL Offensive Linemen are over 300 pounds, but that’s not the case. There are 9 Centers that are listed at under 300 pounds. Here are the five lightest:
Sean Harlow – 284 pounds – Cardinals
J.C. Hassenauer – 295 pounds – Steelers
Jason Kelce – 295 pounds – Eagles
Nick Martin – 295 pounds – Commanders
Greg Van Roten – 295 pounds – Bills
Who are the Heaviest Centers in the NFL?
Centers are typically the lightest guys on the offensive line. There are only 5 guys listed at 320 pounds or higher.
Sports Illustrated had him almost in the 1st round…at #37
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Seattle Seahawks (via DEN): John Michael Schmitz, OL, Minnesota
The Seahawks’ defensive front needs help across the board, but the value’s just not there in this scenario. Instead, Seattle’s better off bolstering its offensive line with this year’s top center prospect.
I'm hoping Bredesen replaces Glowinski. There's enough time to aclimate from left to right if it starts now.
I think they'd like McKethan to eventually replace Glowinski.
As for rookie Centers struggling...see Creed Humphrey and Luke Fortner, second and third round picks, respectively, who both started from Day One. Humphrey is obviously the better of the two, by far, but Fortner is pretty damned good in his own right.
‘Now, he is a prick. He’ll try to kill you on every play.‘
but the Giants could have gotten Hyatt (or a WR they had higher) in the 2nd and in the 3rd gotta Stromberg (who went 97 to the Skins) without giving up extra picks.
I point this out not to criticize the Giants, but to point out I think the Giants really love Schmitz. His age may actually be a benefit in a way, as he can help to lead a young line (particularly if the two NC guards end up winning starting positions soon).
Lol!
Well done lol
But as long as the got an OL, I'm happy.
Nice Anak! Well done!😀
Oh - and he looks like a good C too.
Ha! I was trying to come up with that myself but it wasn’t clicking!
Center, we needed that. I nothing about these guys but I wanted IOL or WR in round 2. Lets go.
NFL Comparison: Ted Karras / CIN
Sixth year senior. Four-year starter from Flossmoor, IL. Named All-Big Ten three straight years including a first team honor in 2022. Also named a first team All-American in his final season. Schmitz is the point guard of the offensive line, fully capable of making all the calls and directing traffic. He does all the little things right and it adds up to consistent, reliable play. He excels in the running game with his combination of heavy contact and excellent footwork. While he is not the most natural athlete, he makes up for a lot of the shortcomings with proper angles, spacing, and timing. He has a great feel for when to peel off to the next man and his hands do a lot of damage. The shortcomings as a pass blocker on an island and occasional lapse in body control can cause some concern, but the floor is high for Schmitz. Schmitz has the mental capacity and reliable run blocking to fit into any situation right away and compete for a starting job, but this is a low ceiling, high-floor kind of player.
*Want a plug and play center that will immediately become the mental leader of your line? Schmitz is your guy. Want a high-upside athlete that is going to eventually be one of the top players at the position in the league? Look elsewhere. Schmitz is a classic “is what he is” type prospect. You know what you are getting, you know what you are not. One negative I could see NYG having on him is the fact he never played a position other than center. In addition, the already-24 year-old simply lacks more area to chew up on the progression curve. Will he likely provide the best OC play this team has had since…O’Hara? Probably. The question is about positional value, and everyone has an opinion on that. I like Schmitz, as do many in the league. But he only becomes an option for me in round 3, and I think he is gone by then.
remote thrower?
No he couldn't. He was a top 50 player on Jeremiah's board. He knows more than you. A lot more.
I'm shocked the Giants didn't draft a receiver, given their huge need at the position. Then again, they also had a huge need at center, and John Michael Schmitz is someone who could have been drafted 15-20 picks earlier than this. I love the value and need fill.
Other interior OL were going much earlier. Ones expected in the 3rd. So I don't believe JMS would have lasted.
How would you not want a center, have u seen the depth chart?
“He’s what you’re looking for in a center. He’s played a ton, he can handle it mentally, he’s a good communicator, he’s tough, he’s durable, he’s strong,” Nagy said. ” … He’s stronger than I thought he was watching him in person against really good people. He can really anchor, which I questioned a little bit on tape. So he’s got everything from the neck up, he’s played a ton of football, he’s gonna be able to help the quarterback a ton, you’re gonna be able to take a lot off the quarterback immediately.
“This guy’s ready to play … I think he’s a Day 1 starter and you’ve got a two-contract player that’s going to be a high-level player.”
No guarantee of that. This guy has to win a job. He could get Jones killed if you start him right away.
Agree. Certainly could have solidified the pick
Schmitz is a highly consistent zone-scheme center with decent size. He is well-schooled in all phases of the run game. He consistently uses the proper footwork and angles to find early positioning and has the tenacity to finish blocks at a high rate. He has plus football intelligence and makes the calls for his offense. His drive power is average and he can be hit-or-miss getting to second-level targets. Schmitz lacks length and his edges will get a little leaky in pass protection from time to time, but his overall technique and teamwork in the run game should create a plug-and-play opportunity in the pros.
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John Michael Schmitz IOL, MINN
Height: 6-4, Weight: 301
Instant starter at center. Large but nimble. Reach blocks galore on his film. Recovery ability is there too. Not dominant but simply blocks everything. Fills a major need. (Chris Trapasso)
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Thank you
Thank you
Why would I doubt smart people making these decisions?
Big, thick and experienced, Schmitz (6-3 ½, 301) started 36 games over four seasons at center for the Gophers and guided one of college football’s most physical running games. Schmitz allowed just two sacks and three quarterback hits in the past three seasons. He was PFF’s highest-graded center, a first-team All-American and a finalist for the Rimington Trophy.
Minnesota’s offense used the zone read and often relied on a combination of zone and sweep runs. Schmitz is both physical at the point of attack and can pull when needed. He fits perfectly into the Giants offense and could start right away at center.
Grade: A
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Seems more like a Gettleman, "see hole, plug hole" kind of pick.
Do you watch the giants? Bredesen will start.
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Do you watch the giants? Bredesen will start.
No he won’t. You don’t make this pick to have him as a backup.
Seems more like a Gettleman, "see hole, plug hole" kind of pick.
Not at all….
I mean let’s start with NOT having a legit center on roster
Secondly, Schmitz had a first round grade by most. It was very good value. Center is an important position. How many times as bbi complained about pocket getting blown up up the middle. We plugged a huge hole yea but got a ton of value here….
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Do you watch the giants? Bredesen will start.
No he won’t. You don’t make this pick to have him as a backup.
I think Dabs will allow a real battle for the position.
They've needed to set a floor on the offensive line. This isn't a sexy pick, but this is a solid pick.
He would not have been. Houston just drafted a center & Denver was likely going to take Schmitz.
This right here..
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Do you watch the giants? Bredesen will start.
No he won’t. You don’t make this pick to have him as a backup.
Agree. Bredensen be the backup C/G
Because we've been trying to fix the offensive line since like 2010.
Same here, but the big three were Avila, Tippmann, and Schmitz. Any of those three being available at 57 was a longshot. Giants were blessed to have one. You take Schmitz and watch him flourish and stabilize the Center position form Day 1.
@JimNagy_SB
John Michael Schmitz rolls out of bed reaching frontside DTs.
There aren’t 31 better/cleaner prospects in this year’s draft.
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Some? lol
Go back to April 24 and read the Y28 post with the Leonard article from the News … explains a lot. I’d attach but I don’t how. Lol
Why?
He's a better run blocker than pass blocker.
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I think Schmitz was Bpa there we got lucky he lasted
Winner winner chicken dinner!
I like the pick, and although you don’t draft hungry, we were starving and emaciated at center.
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This take has the advantage of being literally irrefutable—we’ll never know.
Juice Scruggs, a much inferior prospect to JMS, went a couple of picks later. I think there’s no way JMS would have been there for us at our current 3rd spot.
He did. His agent (Jeremiah Sirles) played for Daboll in Buffalo. Sirles also played Center...lol
Center Schmitz’s Bobby Johnson connection and Bills’ priorities are possible Giant clues By Pat Leonard New York Daily News • Apr 24, 2023 at 5:26 pm - ( New Window )
Agree, filling the biggest holes so far......we have depth at WR too....many don't see it
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57) NYG: John Michael-Schmitz - OC/Minnesota
A guy many thought they would reach for in Rd 1 - they get ideal value for in round 2. Has a clear path to being a starter week 1 which also helps the depth at OG by keeping Bredeson available there. Will be staple at OC for years
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Getting value at positions of need. I think the Giants think they’re closer to competing than BBI thinks they are.
Agree, filling the biggest holes so far......we have depth at WR too....many don't see it
Waller*
Campbell
Wan'dell
Hodgins
Crowder
SHep
Slayton
Johnson
Collectively, the list, as a whole, looks like a hole. Lol
Finally, this regime understands you can't just shove anyone (don't sleep on Pio?) in as center and hope for the best.
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So anyone who disagrees with you about a draft pick and preferred another player is dumb?
Interesting take.
It’s football, not ISO. Wake up people.
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Solid unspectacular pick that was necessary.
It’s football, not ISO. Wake up people.
Exactly. The "remote throw" posts are bizarre.
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Disaster.
Giants take Schmitz
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The Giants already have 12 WRs on the roster, but not a single reasonable starting Center. Those WRs should also be hugging Shoen. Now they may be able to run more than 10yd routes.
But we NOW have a C.
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The Maras are never going to live down that medium Pepsi fiasco. Nor should they.
Many here have been lamenting the inattention past GMs have paid to that position group. Those days are over.
Under this regime - 2 1st round tackles and a 2nd round center.
Last time that happened we got Pugh, Flowers, and Weston Richburg.
Many here have been lamenting the inattention past GMs have paid to that position group. Those days are over.
This. Eli never got his 3rd crack at a run because of the OL neglect. Was running on fumes for SB 46 and the tank has been empty since outside of Andrew Thomas. Jury still out on Neal and I believe Ezeudu will be at worst a swing tacke.
Under this regime - 2 1st round tackles and a 2nd round center.
Last time that happened we got Pugh, Flowers, and Weston Richburg.
A mighty core it was.
But we NOW have a C.
Not to mention, OL, particularly Cs, have a productive longevity into their 30s, some near 40
meant to add, at 6'4", he can add weight.
WR is the pick. Hyatt.
Can I call myself an asshat for a week?
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No guarantee of that. This guy has to win a job. He could get Jones killed if you start him right away.
You're right. He probably sucks. Giants FO doesn't know what they are doing. They are clearly behind the 8-ball on player evaluation. Especially in the draft. I wish they would hire some BBI'ers already. For Crissakes.
Giants need to add another IOL this draft and a couple in UDFA.
Getting a stud at RG can certainly help the cause. O'Hara had Snee and Suebert next to him.
I'm hoping Bredesen replaces Glowinski. There's enough time to aclimate from left to right if it starts now.
Average Weight of an NFL Center
The average weight of an NFL Center is 306.2 pounds.
The average height of an NFL Center is 75.91 inches (just under 6’4″ tall)
Who are the Lightest Centers in the NFL?
You might assume that all NFL Offensive Linemen are over 300 pounds, but that’s not the case. There are 9 Centers that are listed at under 300 pounds. Here are the five lightest:
Sean Harlow – 284 pounds – Cardinals
J.C. Hassenauer – 295 pounds – Steelers
Jason Kelce – 295 pounds – Eagles
Nick Martin – 295 pounds – Commanders
Greg Van Roten – 295 pounds – Bills
Who are the Heaviest Centers in the NFL?
Centers are typically the lightest guys on the offensive line. There are only 5 guys listed at 320 pounds or higher.
Trey Hill – 335 pounds – Bengals
Sam Mustipher – 332 pounds – Bears
Bradley Bozeman – 325 pounds – Panthers
Jon Feliciano – 325 pounds – Giants
Trystan Colon – 320 pounds – Ravens
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Seattle Seahawks (via DEN): John Michael Schmitz, OL, Minnesota
The Seahawks’ defensive front needs help across the board, but the value’s just not there in this scenario. Instead, Seattle’s better off bolstering its offensive line with this year’s top center prospect.
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I'm hoping Bredesen replaces Glowinski. There's enough time to aclimate from left to right if it starts now.
I think they'd like McKethan to eventually replace Glowinski.
As for rookie Centers struggling...see Creed Humphrey and Luke Fortner, second and third round picks, respectively, who both started from Day One. Humphrey is obviously the better of the two, by far, but Fortner is pretty damned good in his own right.
Under this regime - 2 1st round tackles and a 2nd round center.
Last time that happened we got Pugh, Flowers, and Weston Richburg.
You might want to rethink 'two first round tackles'.
Under this regime - 2 1st round tackles and a 2nd round center.
Last time that happened we got Pugh, Flowers, and Weston Richburg.
Except the little part that they inherited Andrew Thomas
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remote thrower?
Some are an idiot on occasion then there’s some that redefine the word moron
I point this out not to criticize the Giants, but to point out I think the Giants really love Schmitz. His age may actually be a benefit in a way, as he can help to lead a young line (particularly if the two NC guards end up winning starting positions soon).