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New York Giants 2nd Round Selection: OC John Michael Schmitz

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2023 8:51 pm
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from bob mcginn's scouts  
Eric on Li : 4/28/2023 8:52 pm : link
hopefully a 10 year o'hara that starts from day 1.

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1. JOHN MICHAEL SCHMITZ, Minnesota (6-3 ½, 303, 5.31, 2): Sixth-year senior. “I have him ahead of Tippmann,” one scout said. “He’s my best center. Has a wrestling background. Very tough. Big and physical. He reminded me some of that kid that came out of Wisconsin, Travis Frederick. Has some athletic limitations but I think he can fit in both a gap and a zone scheme. He’s a good enough athlete. He’s played a lot of football. He’s a plug-and-play, Day 1 starter.” After redshirting in 2017, seldom getting on the field in ’18 and starting four games in ’19, he started all 31 games at center from 2020-’22. “Plays on his feet, works to finish, solid in the run game and pass pro,” a second scout said. “It wouldn’t surprise me if he starts right away. He has guard flex potentially, which is a big thing.” Wonderlic of 22. “More fun to watch than he is talented,” a third scout said. “We have him later in the draft. Center only. He’s stiff and bends at the waist. Balance and body control are an issue. He’s on the ground too much. Now, he is a prick. He’ll try to kill you on every play. But plays out of control.” Arms were 32 5/8, hands were 9 ½. “Heart and hustle,” said a fourth scout. “Gets in the way but nothing overly athletic about him. Just a smart, tough, heady player. He’ll start.” From Flossmoor, Ill.
It’s nice  
Saquon'sQuadz : 4/28/2023 8:52 pm : link
To have management that gets it.
That's crazy!  
Anakim : 4/28/2023 8:52 pm : link
His name is my name too!
Love it  
TommyWiseau : 4/28/2023 8:53 pm : link
Some higher rated players but this fit a need
RE: That's crazy!  
rnargi : 4/28/2023 8:53 pm : link
In comment 16101634 Anakim said:
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His name is my name too!


Lol!
Okay  
OBJRoyal : 4/28/2023 8:53 pm : link
Upgrade that middle
Yeah baby  
jeff57 : 4/28/2023 8:53 pm : link
Great pick.
Yes!!!!!  
No1MDGiantsFan : 4/28/2023 8:53 pm : link
They got their guy without trading up!
Alright, we got our starting C for the next 10 years  
Anakim : 4/28/2023 8:53 pm : link
Our O-Line is ready to roll!
RE: That's crazy!  
j_rud : 4/28/2023 8:54 pm : link
In comment 16101634 Anakim said:
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His name is my name too!


Well done lol
I think this pick made perfect sense coming into the draft  
Chris684 : 4/28/2023 8:54 pm : link
And makes even more sense after what Philly and Dallas did last night.
I will never complain  
Mattman : 4/28/2023 8:54 pm : link
About building the trenches
Welcome home sonny boy  
ghost718 : 4/28/2023 8:54 pm : link
Have a medium Pepsi
Dabs breaking out the stogie  
rnargi : 4/28/2023 8:54 pm : link
In the draft room,
Don’t like it  
Sammo85 : 4/28/2023 8:54 pm : link
Not a fan of the player.
Tough, big, and physical  
Tim in JTown : 4/28/2023 8:54 pm : link
I'm down.
Pro Bowler  
Mark from Jersey : 4/28/2023 8:54 pm : link
And 10 year starter for us. Love the pick.
Fuck. Yeah.  
KerrysFlask : 4/28/2023 8:54 pm : link
Love it.
Also  
j_rud : 4/28/2023 8:54 pm : link
A starting center! Hell yes! I love this front office.
Great pick!  
Giant John : 4/28/2023 8:54 pm : link
Happy with that.
Elated  
Big Blue '56 : 4/28/2023 8:55 pm : link
to get an actual C..Obviously the Giants weren’t all in on their C conversions
Thought they might go O'Cyrus Torrence  
David B. : 4/28/2023 8:55 pm : link
And cross train him at OC.
But as long as the got an OL, I'm happy.

RE: That's crazy!  
Crispino : 4/28/2023 8:56 pm : link
In comment 16101634 Anakim said:
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His name is my name too!


Nice Anak! Well done!😀
I never have a problem with taking an o-lineman.  
St. Jimmy : 4/28/2023 8:56 pm : link
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Have to love a player  
RCPhoenix : 4/28/2023 8:56 pm : link
When his family rescues dogs.

Oh - and he looks like a good C too.
 
ryanmkeane : 4/28/2023 8:56 pm : link
Trade back in for a WR and man, this would be awesome
Those comments from scouts were  
Bill in UT : 4/28/2023 8:56 pm : link
pretty mixed. But I assume our OL coach spent some time with him.
Works for me  
UConn4523 : 4/28/2023 8:56 pm : link
if it ends the shit we’ve put out at center for years it’ll be worth it
Faith in Schoen  
US1 Giants : 4/28/2023 8:56 pm : link
so I won't complain.
He was consistently mocked to the Giants in the first.  
bwitz : 4/28/2023 8:56 pm : link
Glad they got him in the second.
Love this pick  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/28/2023 8:56 pm : link
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RE: That's crazy!  
Jim in Fairfax : 4/28/2023 8:57 pm : link
In comment 16101634 Anakim said:
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His name is my name too!

Ha! I was trying to come up with that myself but it wasn’t clicking!
has a little buyer beware to his name  
Giantsfan79 : 4/28/2023 8:57 pm : link
if he plays bad, it's pretty obvious what the chant against him will be.
There was a full write up about Bobby Johnson meeting Schmitz  
cosmicj : 4/28/2023 8:57 pm : link
In a press outlet.
WOOT!  
Spider43 : 4/28/2023 8:57 pm : link
Schoen for president!
Let’s go!  
Chris684 : 4/28/2023 8:57 pm : link
AT-Ezeudu-JMS-Glow-Neal
We had to take a Center here and he is a good one.  
Amtoft : 4/28/2023 8:57 pm : link
John Michael jingle hingleheimer Schmitz... this is his name too.
Weird to guess what the picks will be and actually be correct  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/28/2023 8:57 pm : link
about Banks and Schmitz.
Somewhere  
Bill in UT : 4/28/2023 8:58 pm : link
Jimmy Googs is smiling
I do not like this pick. Remote thrower  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 4/28/2023 8:58 pm : link
I think Schmitz could have been had in 3rd rd
Daboll looked pretty happy in the war room  
dpinzow : 4/28/2023 8:58 pm : link
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Welcome to New York  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/28/2023 8:58 pm : link
John!
Man April is amazing for sports.  
thefan : 4/28/2023 8:59 pm : link
Right as 2nd period ends in the Isles game, giants are ready to pick. I bet I get to flip to their next pick right after the game, then switch over to the Yanks, jerk off and go to bed.

Center, we needed that. I nothing about these guys but I wanted IOL or WR in round 2. Lets go.
A little early for Sy:  
lawguy9801 : 4/28/2023 8:59 pm : link
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Grade: 78

NFL Comparison: Ted Karras / CIN

Sixth year senior. Four-year starter from Flossmoor, IL. Named All-Big Ten three straight years including a first team honor in 2022. Also named a first team All-American in his final season. Schmitz is the point guard of the offensive line, fully capable of making all the calls and directing traffic. He does all the little things right and it adds up to consistent, reliable play. He excels in the running game with his combination of heavy contact and excellent footwork. While he is not the most natural athlete, he makes up for a lot of the shortcomings with proper angles, spacing, and timing. He has a great feel for when to peel off to the next man and his hands do a lot of damage. The shortcomings as a pass blocker on an island and occasional lapse in body control can cause some concern, but the floor is high for Schmitz. Schmitz has the mental capacity and reliable run blocking to fit into any situation right away and compete for a starting job, but this is a low ceiling, high-floor kind of player.

*Want a plug and play center that will immediately become the mental leader of your line? Schmitz is your guy. Want a high-upside athlete that is going to eventually be one of the top players at the position in the league? Look elsewhere. Schmitz is a classic “is what he is” type prospect. You know what you are getting, you know what you are not. One negative I could see NYG having on him is the fact he never played a position other than center. In addition, the already-24 year-old simply lacks more area to chew up on the progression curve. Will he likely provide the best OC play this team has had since…O’Hara? Probably. The question is about positional value, and everyone has an opinion on that. I like Schmitz, as do many in the league. But he only becomes an option for me in round 3, and I think he is gone by then.
I really like this  
Chef : 4/28/2023 8:59 pm : link
and was laughing at people saying he would be a 3rd round pic...
RE: I do not like this pick. Remote thrower  
thefan : 4/28/2023 8:59 pm : link
In comment 16101697 Rich_Houston_1971 said:
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I think Schmitz could have been had in 3rd rd


remote thrower?
I didn’t want a center but if you’re taking one here,  
81_Great_Dane : 4/28/2023 9:00 pm : link
he’s the guy. Fills a need. Safe pick in the sense that he’s a known quantity and he ticks the “smart” and “tough” boxes. Should be an upgrade over what the Giants had at C last season.
Good  
AcidTest : 4/28/2023 9:00 pm : link
player but he's probably already reached his ceiling. Would have preferred to go in a different direction and take Stromberg in the third. My guess is that the Giants never thought he'd be available at #57, and he was just too much value to pass up.
RE: I do not like this pick. Remote thrower  
ElitoCanton : 4/28/2023 9:00 pm : link
In comment 16101697 Rich_Houston_1971 said:
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I think Schmitz could have been had in 3rd rd


No he couldn't. He was a top 50 player on Jeremiah's board. He knows more than you. A lot more.
Walter Football  
jeff57 : 4/28/2023 9:00 pm : link
New York Giants: John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota - A Grade

I'm shocked the Giants didn't draft a receiver, given their huge need at the position. Then again, they also had a huge need at center, and John Michael Schmitz is someone who could have been drafted 15-20 picks earlier than this. I love the value and need fill.
RE: I do not like this pick. Remote thrower  
Toth029 : 4/28/2023 9:00 pm : link
In comment 16101697 Rich_Houston_1971 said:
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I think Schmitz could have been had in 3rd rd


Other interior OL were going much earlier. Ones expected in the 3rd. So I don't believe JMS would have lasted.
The article that Y28 posted the other day  
BSIMatt : 4/28/2023 9:01 pm : link
Should get reposted. I was down on using a higher pick on C but after reading that article, I honestly wouldn’t have been mad using a first rounder on him..it was a fantastic article.
RE: I didn’t want a center but if you’re taking one here,  
cokeduplt : 4/28/2023 9:01 pm : link
In comment 16101712 81_Great_Dane said:
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he’s the guy. Fills a need. Safe pick in the sense that he’s a known quantity and he ticks the “smart” and “tough” boxes. Should be an upgrade over what the Giants had at C last season.


How would you not want a center, have u seen the depth chart?
this is a tough pick to dislike  
Eric on Li : 4/28/2023 9:01 pm : link
if you want to get pumped up on him go look for anything jim nagy has said about him. he compared him to creed humphrey and said he was 1 of the top 31 players in the draft.

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Schmitz, a 2022 All-American, does “everything” well, Nagy said.

“He’s what you’re looking for in a center. He’s played a ton, he can handle it mentally, he’s a good communicator, he’s tough, he’s durable, he’s strong,” Nagy said. ” … He’s stronger than I thought he was watching him in person against really good people. He can really anchor, which I questioned a little bit on tape. So he’s got everything from the neck up, he’s played a ton of football, he’s gonna be able to help the quarterback a ton, you’re gonna be able to take a lot off the quarterback immediately.

“This guy’s ready to play … I think he’s a Day 1 starter and you’ve got a two-contract player that’s going to be a high-level player.”
IOL was a need  
Sean : 4/28/2023 9:01 pm : link
It became even more of a need with what Philly did.
DJ actually gets a chance to  
Big Blue '56 : 4/28/2023 9:02 pm : link
stand upright
The type of pick you will look back and say  
ThomasG : 4/28/2023 9:02 pm : link
Thank You.
RE: DJ actually gets a chance to  
Sammo85 : 4/28/2023 9:03 pm : link
In comment 16101728 Big Blue '56 said:
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stand upright


No guarantee of that. This guy has to win a job. He could get Jones killed if you start him right away.
RE: I think this pick made perfect sense coming into the draft  
ZogZerg : 4/28/2023 9:03 pm : link
In comment 16101646 Chris684 said:
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And makes even more sense after what Philly and Dallas did last night.


Agree. Certainly could have solidified the pick
Clearly not a BPA draft  
WillieYoung : 4/28/2023 9:04 pm : link
Getting value at positions of need. I think the Giants think they’re closer to competing than BBI thinks they are.
Lance Zierlein  
jeff57 : 4/28/2023 9:04 pm : link
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Schmitz is a highly consistent zone-scheme center with decent size. He is well-schooled in all phases of the run game. He consistently uses the proper footwork and angles to find early positioning and has the tenacity to finish blocks at a high rate. He has plus football intelligence and makes the calls for his offense. His drive power is average and he can be hit-or-miss getting to second-level targets. Schmitz lacks length and his edges will get a little leaky in pass protection from time to time, but his overall technique and teamwork in the run game should create a plug-and-play opportunity in the pros.

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CBS  
Big Blue '56 : 4/28/2023 9:04 pm : link
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John Michael Schmitz IOL, MINN
Height: 6-4, Weight: 301
Instant starter at center. Large but nimble. Reach blocks galore on his film. Recovery ability is there too. Not dominant but simply blocks everything. Fills a major need. (Chris Trapasso)

A

Off brand pick  
cosmicj : 4/28/2023 9:05 pm : link
Johnson thought Schmitz was extremely smart and would do great with the line calls. I am guessing the Giants put a lot of stock in the mental part of playing center.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS  
5BowlsSoon : 4/28/2023 9:05 pm : link
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you

Why would I doubt smart people making these decisions?
The Athletic Grade  
US1 Giants : 4/28/2023 9:05 pm : link
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57. New York Giants: John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota

Big, thick and experienced, Schmitz (6-3 ½, 301) started 36 games over four seasons at center for the Gophers and guided one of college football’s most physical running games. Schmitz allowed just two sacks and three quarterback hits in the past three seasons. He was PFF’s highest-graded center, a first-team All-American and a finalist for the Rimington Trophy.

Minnesota’s offense used the zone read and often relied on a combination of zone and sweep runs. Schmitz is both physical at the point of attack and can pull when needed. He fits perfectly into the Giants offense and could start right away at center.

Grade: A


https://theathletic.com/4465076/2023/04/28/draft-grades-nfl-round-2-3/ - ( New Window )
A few don't like this pick, CBS does giving it an A:  
thefan : 4/28/2023 9:06 pm : link
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Instant starter at center. Large but nimble. Reach blocks galore on his film. Recovery ability is there too. Not dominant but simply blocks everything. Fills a major need. (Chris Trapasso)
passed on Torrence  
bc4life : 4/28/2023 9:06 pm : link
They have a clear view of what they need in a player.
Not Thrilled  
Jim in Tampa : 4/28/2023 9:06 pm : link
I wouldn't have believe you if you told me that the Giants would pass on Hyatt, Tillman and Mimms in RD-2, after going Banks in RD-1.

Seems more like a Gettleman, "see hole, plug hole" kind of pick.
RE: Let’s go!  
ArcadeSlumlord : 4/28/2023 9:07 pm : link
In comment 16101692 Chris684 said:
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AT-Ezeudu-JMS-Glow-Neal


Do you watch the giants? Bredesen will start.
Hit it in the fairway  
AcesUp : 4/28/2023 9:07 pm : link
Your first rounder should be trying to hit a ceiling, no problem with the obvious and safe pick at the end of the 2nd. He's plug and play, this shouldn't drive your decision but shouldn't be overlooked either. He's a cheap Day 1 starter that shouldn't be bad at starting.
The scout had me at "He's a prick and will try to kill you on every  
gtt350 : 4/28/2023 9:07 pm : link
play"
Did I a remote throw?  
BigKev : 4/28/2023 9:08 pm : link
LOL, what a joke
RE: RE: Let’s go!  
RCPhoenix : 4/28/2023 9:08 pm : link
In comment 16101750 ArcadeSlumlord said:
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AT-Ezeudu-JMS-Glow-Neal



Do you watch the giants? Bredesen will start.


No he won’t. You don’t make this pick to have him as a backup.
Value + Need  
Biteymax22 : 4/28/2023 9:08 pm : link
Very nice when they meet up
RE: Not Thrilled  
BleedBlue : 4/28/2023 9:08 pm : link
In comment 16101748 Jim in Tampa said:
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I wouldn't have believe you if you told me that the Giants would pass on Hyatt, Tillman and Mimms in RD-2, after going Banks in RD-1.

Seems more like a Gettleman, "see hole, plug hole" kind of pick.


Not at all….

I mean let’s start with NOT having a legit center on roster

Secondly, Schmitz had a first round grade by most. It was very good value. Center is an important position. How many times as bbi complained about pocket getting blown up up the middle. We plugged a huge hole yea but got a ton of value here….
RE: RE: RE: Let’s go!  
thefan : 4/28/2023 9:09 pm : link
In comment 16101757 RCPhoenix said:
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AT-Ezeudu-JMS-Glow-Neal



Do you watch the giants? Bredesen will start.



No he won’t. You don’t make this pick to have him as a backup.


I think Dabs will allow a real battle for the position.
I bet with hardy any WR taken in 2nd RD  
George from PA : 4/28/2023 9:09 pm : link
The Giants felt....let's grab our top center now....and then trade up
 
christian : 4/28/2023 9:09 pm : link
I know a lot of NFL centers are repurposed guards, but I've wanted the Giants to draft a college center to play center.

They've needed to set a floor on the offensive line. This isn't a sexy pick, but this is a solid pick.
RE: I do not like this pick. Remote thrower  
Sean : 4/28/2023 9:10 pm : link
In comment 16101697 Rich_Houston_1971 said:
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I think Schmitz could have been had in 3rd rd

He would not have been. Houston just drafted a center & Denver was likely going to take Schmitz.
If we were more of a passing offense  
widmerseyebrow : 4/28/2023 9:10 pm : link
I'd feel better about this pick.
I just can’t give the player and pick here  
Sammo85 : 4/28/2023 9:10 pm : link
more than a C grade. Bobby Johnson though has few excuses left for his unit next year. Lots of pick investment and high picks to work with.

I wanted Tippman  
gmenrule : 4/28/2023 9:11 pm : link
who went to Jets.
RE: The type of pick you will look back and say  
Chef : 4/28/2023 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16101729 ThomasG said:
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Thank You.


This right here..
RE: RE: RE: Let’s go!  
jeff57 : 4/28/2023 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16101757 RCPhoenix said:
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AT-Ezeudu-JMS-Glow-Neal



Do you watch the giants? Bredesen will start.



No he won’t. You don’t make this pick to have him as a backup.


Agree. Bredensen be the backup C/G
Center had been such a huge need for so long  
Kanavis : 4/28/2023 9:12 pm : link
We will need help against the Philadelphia and Dallas lines. No problem with this pick. Let's see how it turns out. I trust the staff.
RE: I just can’t give the player and pick here  
thefan : 4/28/2023 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16101773 Sammo85 said:
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more than a C grade. Bobby Johnson though has few excuses left for his unit next year. Lots of pick investment and high picks to work with.


Because we've been trying to fix the offensive line since like 2010.
IOL  
RAIN : 4/28/2023 9:12 pm : link
Going quick, seems like we got ahead of the run. Solid pick.
RE: I wanted Tippman  
Optimus-NY : 4/28/2023 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16101774 gmenrule said:
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who went to Jets.


Same here, but the big three were Avila, Tippmann, and Schmitz. Any of those three being available at 57 was a longshot. Giants were blessed to have one. You take Schmitz and watch him flourish and stabilize the Center position form Day 1.
We hit the 2 biggest holes in the lineup  
mfsd : 4/28/2023 9:13 pm : link
with first 2 picks (aside from a true #1 WR). I’ll let you guys argue whether value matched with the need, but with that Philly DL we certainly need to get better in the interior OL
No surprise on the run,  
thefan : 4/28/2023 9:14 pm : link
some really dumb posters on here.
Limited  
AcidTest : 4/28/2023 9:14 pm : link
athletic upside as Sy says, but knows his assignments, is tough and intelligent, and pulls very well. The Giants like to run a lot of sweeps with Barkley.
wrestling  
bc4life : 4/28/2023 9:15 pm : link
background too
good clip of jms at senior bowl  
Eric on Li : 4/28/2023 9:16 pm : link
Jim Nagy
@JimNagy_SB
John Michael Schmitz rolls out of bed reaching frontside DTs.

There aren’t 31 better/cleaner prospects in this year’s draft.
https://twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1646843338920738816?s=20 - ( New Window )
Brugler  
AcidTest : 4/28/2023 9:17 pm : link
rated him as the 59th best player overall.
Great pick  
Chip : 4/28/2023 9:17 pm : link
Day 1 starter.
Check out the first comment in that tweet  
cosmicj : 4/28/2023 9:18 pm : link
. Lol.
RE: No surprise on the run,  
Optimus-NY : 4/28/2023 9:18 pm : link
In comment 16101798 thefan said:
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some really dumb posters on here.


Some? lol
Prayers answered.  
Klaatu : 4/28/2023 9:19 pm : link
Can't say much more than that.
RE: Those comments from scouts were  
Spider56 : 4/28/2023 9:19 pm : link
In comment 16101680 Bill in UT said:
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pretty mixed. But I assume our OL coach spent some time with him.


Go back to April 24 and read the Y28 post with the Leonard article from the News … explains a lot. I’d attach but I don’t how. Lol
I didn't love JMS at all  
gameday555 : 4/28/2023 9:19 pm : link
But I am having a very, very hard time getting as worked up over it as some others in here. He was still a worthy selection and a borderline third rounder relative to where we were picking. We've gotten inverse spoiled picking so early in rounds in the past few years!
RE: If we were more of a passing offense  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2023 9:19 pm : link
In comment 16101772 widmerseyebrow said:
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I'd feel better about this pick.


Why?

He's a better run blocker than pass blocker.
Love  
Shady Lurker : 4/28/2023 9:20 pm : link
the pick. Think we've done well so far with the picks we've got
JMS  
Hilary : 4/28/2023 9:20 pm : link
Bobby Skinner film breakdown. Much different take than SY. Best IOL. Best lineman at the senior bowl.
jm football - ( New Window )
RE: Clearly not a BPA draft  
cokeduplt : 4/28/2023 9:21 pm : link
In comment 16101735 WillieYoung said:
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Getting value at positions of need. I think the Giants think they’re closer to competing than BBI thinks they are.

I think Schmitz was Bpa there we got lucky he lasted
RE: Welcome home sonny boy  
Optimus-NY : 4/28/2023 9:21 pm : link
In comment 16101649 ghost718 said:
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Have a medium Pepsi


We’re going  
uncledave : 4/28/2023 9:22 pm : link
Streaking
I like the high floor of both of our picks.  
cosmicj : 4/28/2023 9:22 pm : link
I have a hard time believing either will bust. The last thing this team needs is a high pick bust.
RE: I do not like this pick. Remote thrower  
81_Great_Dane : 4/28/2023 9:22 pm : link
In comment 16101697 Rich_Houston_1971 said:
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I think Schmitz could have been had in 3rd rd
This take has the advantage of being literally irrefutable—we’ll never know.
Throw the remote  
anova : 4/28/2023 9:23 pm : link
ha ha ha... a phrase coined ( as I recall) by the infamous "joey in VA" ... back in the day.
RE: That's crazy!  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/28/2023 9:24 pm : link
In comment 16101634 Anakim said:
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His name is my name too!


Winner winner chicken dinner!
Not a scouting expert  
NJBlueTuna : 4/28/2023 9:24 pm : link
But how can Tippman function effectively with leverage as a C at 6’6”?

I like the pick, and although you don’t draft hungry, we were starving and emaciated at center.
RE: RE: I do not like this pick. Remote thrower  
cosmicj : 4/28/2023 9:24 pm : link
In comment 16101838 81_Great_Dane said:
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I think Schmitz could have been had in 3rd rd

This take has the advantage of being literally irrefutable—we’ll never know.


Juice Scruggs, a much inferior prospect to JMS, went a couple of picks later. I think there’s no way JMS would have been there for us at our current 3rd spot.
Sy saying something  
ElitoCanton : 4/28/2023 9:25 pm : link
doesn't make it a fact. He does a good job, but the idolatry for him here is out of control. He had Torrence as a top 10 pick. He didn't go until the end of round 2.
RE: Those comments from scouts were  
Optimus-NY : 4/28/2023 9:25 pm : link
In comment 16101680 Bill in UT said:
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pretty mixed. But I assume our OL coach spent some time with him.


He did. His agent (Jeremiah Sirles) played for Daboll in Buffalo. Sirles also played Center...lol






Center Schmitz’s Bobby Johnson connection and Bills’ priorities are possible Giant clues By Pat Leonard New York Daily News • Apr 24, 2023 at 5:26 pm - ( New Window )
Btw  
NJBlueTuna : 4/28/2023 9:25 pm : link
Watch Schoen trade up to the top of the 3rd for a WR…..
A boring pick and just what we need  
MeanBunny : 4/28/2023 9:25 pm : link
Very tactical,dull and basically 100% what the Giants need. The Shaun O'Hara of Daniel Jones. It's amazing how good your quarterback looks when your center is not a doofus
RE: Clearly not a BPA draft  
Kev in Cali : 4/28/2023 9:25 pm : link
In comment 16101735 WillieYoung said:
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Getting value at positions of need. I think the Giants think they’re closer to competing than BBI thinks they are.


Agree, filling the biggest holes so far......we have depth at WR too....many don't see it

Waller*
Campbell
Wan'dell
Hodgins
Crowder
SHep
Slayton
Johnson
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/28/2023 9:26 pm : link
David Syvertsen
@Ourlads_Sy
·
32m
57) NYG: John Michael-Schmitz - OC/Minnesota

A guy many thought they would reach for in Rd 1 - they get ideal value for in round 2. Has a clear path to being a starter week 1 which also helps the depth at OG by keeping Bredeson available there. Will be staple at OC for years
here's a  
bc4life : 4/28/2023 9:27 pm : link
glimpse of the person
link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Clearly not a BPA draft  
NJBlueTuna : 4/28/2023 9:27 pm : link
In comment 16101860 Kev in Cali said:
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In comment 16101735 WillieYoung said:


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Getting value at positions of need. I think the Giants think they’re closer to competing than BBI thinks they are.



Agree, filling the biggest holes so far......we have depth at WR too....many don't see it

Waller*
Campbell
Wan'dell
Hodgins
Crowder
SHep
Slayton
Johnson


Collectively, the list, as a whole, looks like a hole. Lol
Ecstatic! The Giants haven't had a good center since 2011  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/28/2023 9:29 pm : link
...with Baas, and he was injured until the playoff run.

Finally, this regime understands you can't just shove anyone (don't sleep on Pio?) in as center and hope for the best.
go get em Joe  
jmalls23 : 4/28/2023 9:30 pm : link
CB and C
Senior Bowl  
bc4life : 4/28/2023 9:31 pm : link
Talks about wrestling background applied to OL.
Senior Bowl Spotlight: Center John Michael Schmitz, Minnesota - ( New Window )
RE: No surprise on the run,  
Jim in Tampa : 4/28/2023 9:32 pm : link
In comment 16101798 thefan said:
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some really dumb posters on here.

So anyone who disagrees with you about a draft pick and preferred another player is dumb?

Interesting take.
Hooker to Lions  
rnargi : 4/28/2023 9:33 pm : link
Tank Dell to Texans
Smarten up. The dividends this Center could play out will make  
ThomasG : 4/28/2023 9:34 pm : link
every single offensive starter more impactful.

It’s football, not ISO. Wake up people.
last  
bc4life : 4/28/2023 9:34 pm : link
clip coming
Trench Warfare Film Room - Minnesota C John Michael Schmitz using wrestling background to finish - ( New Window )
Good solid pick  
Rudy5757 : 4/28/2023 9:36 pm : link
Biggest need on the team. Instant starter and upgrade at C. If you wanted a pure C which I did, this is the guy. This is a move that will improve the whole offense. Feliciano was terrible last year so even average play improves the whole OL.

Solid unspectacular pick that was necessary.
RE: Smarten up. The dividends this Center could play out will make  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/28/2023 9:36 pm : link
In comment 16101896 ThomasG said:
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every single offensive starter more impactful.

It’s football, not ISO. Wake up people.


Exactly. The "remote throw" posts are bizarre.
May have been Broncos guy  
AcesUp : 4/28/2023 9:37 pm : link
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Benjamin Allbright
@AllbrightNFL
Disaster.

Giants take Schmitz

https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1652112911735586816 - ( New Window )
Patrick Mahomes has State Farm Insurance  
Marty in Albany : 4/28/2023 9:37 pm : link
So the Giants got Daniel Jones J.M. Schmitz Insurance. It's now Jones' turn to hug Joe Shoen.

The Giants already have 12 WRs on the roster, but not a single reasonable starting Center. Those WRs should also be hugging Shoen. Now they may be able to run more than 10yd routes.
My take  
Joe Beckwith : 4/28/2023 9:37 pm : link
On Schmitz age issue: the Giants now have 4/5 years to casually( 3rd/4th rd.) look for his replacement.
But we NOW have a C.
RE: RE: Welcome home sonny boy  
AcidTest : 4/28/2023 9:37 pm : link
In comment 16101833 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16101649 ghost718 said:


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Have a medium Pepsi





The Maras are never going to live down that medium Pepsi fiasco. Nor should they.
Schoen has now made 4 OL picks, two of them being premium  
cosmicj : 4/28/2023 9:39 pm : link
Picks, and we’re early into his 2nd draft.

Many here have been lamenting the inattention past GMs have paid to that position group. Those days are over.
after watching several seasons of DJ  
bc4life : 4/28/2023 9:40 pm : link
running for his life and Saquon facing defenders almost as soon as he gets the ball - cannot fathom how anyone could not see the value of this pick.

Under this regime - 2 1st round tackles and a 2nd round center.

Last time that happened we got Pugh, Flowers, and Weston Richburg.
Miller gone  
Mark from Jersey : 4/28/2023 9:41 pm : link
Fuck
At 300 lbs. he's a little light, but at 6'4  
GeofromNJ : 4/28/2023 9:41 pm : link
Nice selection. Fills a significant need.
RE: Schoen has now made 4 OL picks, two of them being premium  
thefan : 4/28/2023 9:42 pm : link
In comment 16101910 cosmicj said:
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Picks, and we’re early into his 2nd draft.

Many here have been lamenting the inattention past GMs have paid to that position group. Those days are over.


This. Eli never got his 3rd crack at a run because of the OL neglect. Was running on fumes for SB 46 and the tank has been empty since outside of Andrew Thomas. Jury still out on Neal and I believe Ezeudu will be at worst a swing tacke.
This man is serious and should be around a long time  
Chef : 4/28/2023 9:42 pm : link
This is a great value and tremendous pic,
RE: after watching several seasons of DJ  
thefan : 4/28/2023 9:43 pm : link
In comment 16101915 bc4life said:
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running for his life and Saquon facing defenders almost as soon as he gets the ball - cannot fathom how anyone could not see the value of this pick.

Under this regime - 2 1st round tackles and a 2nd round center.

Last time that happened we got Pugh, Flowers, and Weston Richburg.


A mighty core it was.
RE: My take  
Big Blue '56 : 4/28/2023 9:44 pm : link
In comment 16101904 Joe Beckwith said:
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On Schmitz age issue: the Giants now have 4/5 years to casually( 3rd/4th rd.) look for his replacement.
But we NOW have a C.


Not to mention, OL, particularly Cs, have a productive longevity into their 30s, some near 40
Did they just trade up  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/28/2023 9:45 pm : link
?
The  
AcidTest : 4/28/2023 9:45 pm : link
Giants like Miller.
RE: At 300 lbs. he's a little light, but at 6'4  
GeofromNJ : 4/28/2023 9:46 pm : link
In comment 16101920 GeofromNJ said:
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Nice selection. Fills a significant need.

meant to add, at 6'4", he can add weight.
Giants traded up with the Rams I just heard  
Optimus-NY : 4/28/2023 9:47 pm : link
73. Jumped 16 spots supposedly? Traded with the Rams.

WR is the pick. Hyatt.
RE: Btw  
NJBlueTuna : 4/28/2023 9:50 pm : link
In comment 16101858 NJBlueTuna said:
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Watch Schoen trade up to the top of the 3rd for a WR…..


Can I call myself an asshat for a week?
RE: RE: DJ actually gets a chance to  
Johnny5 : 4/28/2023 10:01 pm : link
In comment 16101732 Sammo85 said:
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In comment 16101728 Big Blue '56 said:


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stand upright



No guarantee of that. This guy has to win a job. He could get Jones killed if you start him right away.

You're right. He probably sucks. Giants FO doesn't know what they are doing. They are clearly behind the 8-ball on player evaluation. Especially in the draft. I wish they would hire some BBI'ers already. For Crissakes.
Hopefully steps right in  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/28/2023 10:17 pm : link
and at least can give solid starts quickly. We will see where the upside is.

Giants need to add another IOL this draft and a couple in UDFA.

Getting a stud at RG can certainly help the cause. O'Hara had Snee and Suebert next to him.
RE: Let’s go!  
ConsistentGiantFan : 4/28/2023 10:19 pm : link
In comment 16101692 Chris684 said:
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AT-Ezeudu-JMS-Glow-Neal

I'm hoping Bredesen replaces Glowinski. There's enough time to aclimate from left to right if it starts now.
last good Center we drafted  
bc4life : 4/28/2023 10:19 pm : link
was also from Minnesota - Brian Williams
Average Weight of an NFL Center  
wahl35 : 4/28/2023 10:19 pm : link


Average Weight of an NFL Center

The average weight of an NFL Center is 306.2 pounds.

The average height of an NFL Center is 75.91 inches (just under 6’4″ tall)

Who are the Lightest Centers in the NFL?

You might assume that all NFL Offensive Linemen are over 300 pounds, but that’s not the case. There are 9 Centers that are listed at under 300 pounds. Here are the five lightest:

Sean Harlow – 284 pounds – Cardinals
J.C. Hassenauer – 295 pounds – Steelers
Jason Kelce – 295 pounds – Eagles
Nick Martin – 295 pounds – Commanders
Greg Van Roten – 295 pounds – Bills

Who are the Heaviest Centers in the NFL?

Centers are typically the lightest guys on the offensive line. There are only 5 guys listed at 320 pounds or higher.

Trey Hill – 335 pounds – Bengals
Sam Mustipher – 332 pounds – Bears
Bradley Bozeman – 325 pounds – Panthers
Jon Feliciano – 325 pounds – Giants
Trystan Colon – 320 pounds – Ravens

Average Height and Weight of NFL Centers in 2023 - ( New Window )
not just weight  
bc4life : 4/28/2023 10:25 pm : link
it's functional strength and the intangible is his wrestling background
Beauty in the eye of the beholder  
5BowlsSoon : 4/28/2023 10:27 pm : link
Sports Illustrated had him almost in the 1st round…at #37

37

Seattle Seahawks (via DEN): John Michael Schmitz, OL, Minnesota

The Seahawks’ defensive front needs help across the board, but the value’s just not there in this scenario. Instead, Seattle’s better off bolstering its offensive line with this year’s top center prospect.

RE: RE: Let’s go!  
Klaatu : 4/28/2023 10:29 pm : link
In comment 16102194 ConsistentGiantFan said:
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In comment 16101692 Chris684 said:


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AT-Ezeudu-JMS-Glow-Neal


I'm hoping Bredesen replaces Glowinski. There's enough time to aclimate from left to right if it starts now.


I think they'd like McKethan to eventually replace Glowinski.

As for rookie Centers struggling...see Creed Humphrey and Luke Fortner, second and third round picks, respectively, who both started from Day One. Humphrey is obviously the better of the two, by far, but Fortner is pretty damned good in his own right.
‘Now, he is a prick. He’ll try to kill you on every play.‘  
lono801 : 4/28/2023 10:44 pm : link
I’m sold…
RE: after watching several seasons of DJ  
k2tampa : 4/28/2023 11:07 pm : link
In comment 16101915 bc4life said:
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running for his life and Saquon facing defenders almost as soon as he gets the ball - cannot fathom how anyone could not see the value of this pick.

Under this regime - 2 1st round tackles and a 2nd round center.

Last time that happened we got Pugh, Flowers, and Weston Richburg.


You might want to rethink 'two first round tackles'.
It didn’t even look like he knew he was talking to Shaun  
Simms11 : 4/29/2023 12:30 am : link
O’Hara?! Or if he even knew who he was. Too funny 🤣
RE: after watching several seasons of DJ  
eli4life : 4/29/2023 3:07 am : link
In comment 16101915 bc4life said:
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running for his life and Saquon facing defenders almost as soon as he gets the ball - cannot fathom how anyone could not see the value of this pick.

Under this regime - 2 1st round tackles and a 2nd round center.

Last time that happened we got Pugh, Flowers, and Weston Richburg.


Except the little part that they inherited Andrew Thomas
RE: RE: I do not like this pick. Remote thrower  
eli4life : 4/29/2023 3:13 am : link
In comment 16101711 thefan said:
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In comment 16101697 Rich_Houston_1971 said:


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I think Schmitz could have been had in 3rd rd



remote thrower?


Some are an idiot on occasion then there’s some that redefine the word moron
good pick at 57 overall  
Victor in CT : 4/29/2023 8:07 am : link
just steady to above avg C play will make a major difference to the Giants offense and he should provide at least steady.
don’t know if it’s been mentioned before  
KDavies : 4/29/2023 10:02 am : link
but the Giants could have gotten Hyatt (or a WR they had higher) in the 2nd and in the 3rd gotta Stromberg (who went 97 to the Skins) without giving up extra picks.

I point this out not to criticize the Giants, but to point out I think the Giants really love Schmitz. His age may actually be a benefit in a way, as he can help to lead a young line (particularly if the two NC guards end up winning starting positions soon).
eli4life  
bc4life : 4/29/2023 10:54 am : link
I stand corrected
I  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2023 10:58 am : link
do love the fact that JMS seems to enjoy beating people up.
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