very cool. He had tons more personality than I expected, and speaks Spanish to boot. He could have an Eli-esque future on tV if he can actually accomplish something on the field.
The Eagles fan taking a photograph with DJ...never in a million years would I take a photo with Hurts.
Why not? By all accounts Hurts is one of the good guys in the NFL. It's ok to like the man but root against him in the games. You know that, right?
I know nothing about hurts. I just hate him because I hate the eagles. But nothing against him personally, I know zero about him.
Well except my wife thinks he is good looking but I will let that pass because dude can do some modeling on the side for sure.
The Eagles fan taking a photograph with DJ...never in a million years would I take a photo with Hurts.
Why not? By all accounts Hurts is one of the good guys in the NFL. It's ok to like the man but root against him in the games. You know that, right?
Spot on. For example, I always liked Romo as a person but hated him on the field. He took advantage of being the Cowboys QB1 to date some pretty hot ladies. Gotta respect that!
I sports hate Hurts, but I don’t personally hate the man. He seems like a good dude. But I just wouldn’t take a photo with the guy. That’s just me. Others are free to think differently.
coached him at one point I believe. When he's on the field, wipe the floor with him. But off the field, in interviews I've seen, he's well spoken, polite, very similar to Jones. Easy guy to like, just not root for.
The Eagles fan taking a photograph with DJ...never in a million years would I take a photo with Hurts.
I would. Hurts I think is overrated as a QB but he still seems like a super genuine and nice person. I wish he was playing for another team so I could root for him.
My friend has a daughter w Down’s syndrome and as such is involved much with that community. He shared this story of Jalen Hurts w me a while ago. Makes it impossible not to think he’s a good person. Link - ( New Window )
I sports hate Hurts, but I don’t personally hate the man. He seems like a good dude. But I just wouldn’t take a photo with the guy. That’s just me. Others are free to think differently.
Pretty much how I feel as well, and I feel the same about just about any pro athlete who doesn’t play for a team I root for.
The Eagles fan taking a photograph with DJ...never in a million years would I take a photo with Hurts.
I have a picture with Randall Cunningham when he was with the Eagles. Ran into him at a Macy's of all places. He was doing an autograph signing someplace at the mall that day and was sopping when he was done.
Really nice guy. We talked about the bad memories he created for me against the Giants. Autographed one of the leftover pictures for me from his signing and I didn't even ask The person he was with had a camera and they mailed me the picture after it was developed.
I always remember that when rooting against these guys on the field.
maybe times have changed. So many athletes are doing promos during careers (check out WC, all these mobile phone promos, etc., etc.). It bothers me more that a bit that all the Mannings have sold their souls to Caesars Palace stuff.
Agreed, not a knock on Daniel Jones. Just saying you now see that sass from Eli with his life after football; but during his career he was super subdued. No social media, little out of football coverage etc…
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
You're free to have doubts about Jones based on his play on the field, but to conclude that he "clearly" lacks the right stuff because of a goofy one-off video is pretty rich.
I said that before he played a snapped and his weaknesses suggest that lack of confidence does indeed manifest on the field. So yes I am saying it, I have been saying it. That continues to be his biggest problem and it is one I have identified for a while.
RE: RE: Jones and Eli are extremely different people
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
You're free to have doubts about Jones based on his play on the field, but to conclude that he "clearly" lacks the right stuff because of a goofy one-off video is pretty rich.
I'm sorry but did you just tell me I was not free to think what I think? I've pretty much made a career of using different data than other people to predict things so maybe I find your narrow think inside the same box as everyone else kind of approach to be "rich."
RE: RE: RE: Jones and Eli are extremely different people
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
You're free to have doubts about Jones based on his play on the field, but to conclude that he "clearly" lacks the right stuff because of a goofy one-off video is pretty rich.
I'm sorry but did you just tell me I was not free to think what I think? I've pretty much made a career of using different data than other people to predict things so maybe I find your narrow think inside the same box as everyone else kind of approach to be "rich."
Please point out where I told you you're not free to think what you want. You stated your opinion, I stated that what I thought of it. The reigning NFL Coach of the Year and his GM clearly don't share it. And unless you have a magical connection with Daniel Jones's soul, I don't think it's a cut-and-dried fact whether he "lacks confidence" or not. We'll see who's right.
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
Assuming you are serious, I thought Jones was pretty good in that spot.
No one believing in him, and with a little talent around him, he’s summoned up the confidence to lead a team with questionable talent to a playoff win.
If that does not show confidence, I don’t know what does.
I am really curious as to what you do for a living that would lead you to the opinion that commercial shows that he will be a failure.
RE: RE: Jones and Eli are extremely different people
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
Assuming you are serious, I thought Jones was pretty good in that spot.
He has an uneasy energy to him. Like he’s nervous. Almost at all times honestly. When he is jittery on the field in his decisions it is a further manifestation of that the two are very much connected
This is so must to me that I re-watched the commercial
and in the biggest media market in the world there was hardly anyone saying he deserved a long-term big money deal last season - until the end.
So - you’ve made a career being contrarian? I’m guessing you have a lot more misses than hits.
I’m still hoping you are kidding. But if you’re not, I’m guessing you’re responding from a basement.
I said I’ve made a career out of predicting things with different data than people but I am most definitely not missing more than I’m hitting I’ve been over 100% in excess of the S&P 500 each of the last two years now. Looks like a big swing and a miss for you on this one, eh? Beating the S&P benchmark 74% of my picks this year - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jones and Eli are extremely different people
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
You're free to have doubts about Jones based on his play on the field, but to conclude that he "clearly" lacks the right stuff because of a goofy one-off video is pretty rich.
I'm sorry but did you just tell me I was not free to think what I think? I've pretty much made a career of using different data than other people to predict things so maybe I find your narrow think inside the same box as everyone else kind of approach to be "rich."
Please point out where I told you you're not free to think what you want. You stated your opinion, I stated that what I thought of it. The reigning NFL Coach of the Year and his GM clearly don't share it. And unless you have a magical connection with Daniel Jones's soul, I don't think it's a cut-and-dried fact whether he "lacks confidence" or not. We'll see who's right.
An uneasy energy
Ok
Like he’s pretending to be a salesman at a close store when he’s really not?
I’m sure you’re excellent at picking stocks or whatever you do, but I’m not seeing how that translates into this odd insight
RE: RE: RE: Jones and Eli are extremely different people
Assuming you are serious, I thought Jones was pretty good in that spot.
He has an uneasy energy to him. Like he’s nervous. Almost at all times honestly. When he is jittery on the field in his decisions it is a further manifestation of that the two are very much connected
It's always interesting to me how people can see situations so differently. I'm completely the other way on this with Jones.
But I am asking very directly, what in that commercial says he is not confident and will thus be a failure as an NFL QB? I’m fascinated to learn
See here is the thing. I didn’t ask you for your trial wins. And also you being a lawyer does not give you any special expertise in predicting things. That has been my profession for 12 years. Including work on a wearable gyroscope that used readings to detect and suggest alterations to posture and body position. And I’ve done many different kinds of predictive pipelines.
These situations end up happening because instead of asking questions like this one it goes straight to talking down to or as if I’m crazy or joking. But for all the pride in thinking the same way as everyone else due to your classic attempt at the “contrarian” insult many of you proud normals seem to forget everything we have today was built by and on the shoulders of people that think differently. I could start by treating you like you are stupid or crazy but I don’t do that but people seem very comfortable doing that to me.
The hands in the pockets isn’t the brush off you think it is because it reflects nervous energy and non confident shoulder position because you are lowering them to put the hands in your pockets. From the link below on confident body language
“It doesn’t matter how tall you are, when your posture is straight and aligned, instead of shoulders slumped and head down, you will appear in control and confident“
“You should avoid pointing which may seem aggressive, putting hands in your pockets which communicates that you are uninterested or nervous”
It’s the 2nd rule after non-aggressive. But honestly the body language wasn’t necessary his demeanor is just insanely meek and uncertain for someone supposedly leading a major sports franchise at the most important position. I get it is probably still impressive for a lot of you but not someone who has been around a lot of great leaders, either that or you have your blue goggles glued to your face.
I don’t know how it isn’t readily apparent especially because most sales people approaching me in a store do so with a much more confident energy. And I get that people want to separate these things but he frequently displays the same nervous energy on the field. And I was beating this drum before had many nervous and jittery games in the NFL where made a lot of poor decisions or held the ball too long due to an inability to make one. It’s not a leap, I’m actually drawing the line.
saying that he didn't have the right type of personality to be a top qb?
Everyone says stuff and insults QBs Eli was a gamer in a form that Jones never was and he was a gamer in the NFL.
He didn’t have anything like Jones year 2 and 3 and the circumstances were tough but that doesn’t mean they didn’t happen. You can’t just toss them out
RE: Do you remember when Eli had just been drafted and people were
Now that I know that you are, my simple response to all you were saying is that he’s a very honest guy who is pretending to be something he’s not - which makes him uncomfortable.
As I said above, no one believed in him coming into last season. He had the internal confidence to lead a undermanned NFL team to a playoff win.
In my opinion, he is an incredibly confident person, and has exactly the correct demeanor and personality to lead an NFL franchise.
I’m sorry for any insulting language. I always respect people who are not sheep and have their own opinions. I simply strongly disagree with you, not because your opinion is unusual just because I feel strongly you are wrong.
I thought that was a cute little video with Daniel Jones
very big, fast and powerful men trying to break you in half changes the calculus in evaluating QB's.
Confidence comes from preparation and then execution (this after possessing the physical traits). I can't think of many situations that compare to what a QB has to accomplish in around 3 seconds or less.
Jones still has a lot of TBD and like any QB a lot of things will have to go right to reach what potential he has.
speculating on Jones's confidence level based on nothing but some shitty observation skills and projection brings back fond memories of speculations of Eli's leadership skills based on nothing but some shitty observation skills and projection.
Holy shitty projections, Batman!
Ever since Hurts interview after the College Championship
At Bama, when Tua came in to save the day I’ve respected the kid. The reporter was trying to goad him in to knocking Tua but Hurts not only didn’t bite, he called the reporter on her BS. Always respected the hell out of that.
That being said I never take photos with any celebs. I’ll chat with them but I don’t do the photo thing. For anyone.
RE: Ever since Hurts interview after the College Championship
At Bama, when Tua came in to save the day I’ve respected the kid. The reporter was trying to goad him in to knocking Tua but Hurts not only didn’t bite, he called the reporter on her BS. Always respected the hell out of that.
That being said I never take photos with any celebs. I’ll chat with them but I don’t do the photo thing. For anyone.
It irritates me that I like Hurts as much as I do.
Now that I know that you are, my simple response to all you were saying is that he’s a very honest guy who is pretending to be something he’s not - which makes him uncomfortable.
As I said above, no one believed in him coming into last season. He had the internal confidence to lead a undermanned NFL team to a playoff win.
In my opinion, he is an incredibly confident person, and has exactly the correct demeanor and personality to lead an NFL franchise.
I’m sorry for any insulting language. I always respect people who are not sheep and have their own opinions. I simply strongly disagree with you, not because your opinion is unusual just because I feel strongly you are wrong.
He got flustered trying to pick a chair when he was doing the Giants town hall before he came into the league.
Yes that is your opinion, the best leaders I know, especially if they are doing something for their job like this it doesn't matter how in their comfort zone they are. They have a generalized confidence. As do many NFL QBs.
But I respect that you have a different perspective and appreciate you dialing it back down with me, it takes two.
1. Undercover? How is he undercover lol. Its just Jones working in a store. If he's not in full uniform is he considered undercover?
2. Are some people forgetting how difficult it was for Eli early? The happy feet, the bad decisions, the 4 INT game against the Vikings. Eli didn't come into the league all cerebral.
3. NGD. You are just itching to tell everyone how successful you are, huh lol
Here is what I don’t get. You claim you are good at analytics, and that what you use to be successful with your business, fine I except that. But then you use conjecture when forming options of Jones which is the antithesis of using analytics. I thought the entire point of being analytical was to leap opines out of it and only use facts and data when formulating a conclusion. You are just looking at something someone does and by that alone making a leap to assume what’s going on in his head.
If you came here with stats to back up why you believe Jones will fail, while it may remind some of a guy from Syracuse, it also may be a little more convincing. Plus didn’t you already predict he was going to fail last season and would never be re-signed by Schoen? Now your just doubling down.
based on videos like this just strikes me as classic confirmation bias, IMHO. If you simply believe Jones doesn't have "it," it's easy to interpret every little thing as additional unambiguous, "clear" evidence. And yes, it happened to Eli too (i.e., he's too mild-mannered and "aw shucks" to be a true leader), and yes, it can go both ways.
I don't think Jones's body language in a town hall meeting or during a prank video counts for anywhere near as much as what he does on the field (which is what he actually gets paid for). It wouldn't be the first time someone is reserved and awkward "off the set" (like Robert DeNiro) and different when it's lights, camera, action. (And before someone makes a crack, I'm not saying Jones is the DeNiro of his profession.)
The only thing that ultimately matters is if Jones can play confident football with improved personnel and scheming around him. Some think he can, some think he won't. We shall see.
Another chance for the guy who doesn't care what people think of him to post his resume and qualifications. Nothing more, nothing less.
This is a clown who continues to claim Jomes doesn't have confidence because of the way he picked a chair. Not kidding as he's even reinforced that shitty take above. He is a prime example of a guy who was wrong about Jones and just takes any opportunity to regale the board on how he was right.
He couldn't be more wrong, but why have that stop another chance to have the thin-skinned lunatic post another time about how he is an expert. Captain Resume strikes again!
Here is what I don’t get. You claim you are good at analytics, and that what you use to be successful with your business, fine I except that. But then you use conjecture when forming options of Jones which is the antithesis of using analytics. I thought the entire point of being analytical was to leap opines out of it and only use facts and data when formulating a conclusion. You are just looking at something someone does and by that alone making a leap to assume what’s going on in his head.
If you came here with stats to back up why you believe Jones will fail, while it may remind some of a guy from Syracuse, it also may be a little more convincing. Plus didn’t you already predict he was going to fail last season and would never be re-signed by Schoen? Now your just doubling down.
Show me the tape where I said that.
Also my specialty is alternative data and building my own data sets which is much easier to tackle in a professional setting. This is a hypothesis of mine. One I was mocked for with the chair, but in my mind that has been largely validated as his talent is there. And when things are going well he's rolling and making good decisions.
But there is another person that looks nervous, jittery and makes bad decisions, bad throws. And that screams that it isn't a physical issue and 100% between the ears.
To me the data shows that my hypothesis was validated as he looks like a different player based on what can only really be described as his mental state.
I never doubted his physical abilities BTW. And my guess was never that he wasn't going to get a contract (that was other people) I did say he would be retained and overpaid, and I think he very much was overpaid relative to a clear benchmark in Geno Smith AND the fact that 2X franchise was $69M and for reasons unknown gave him $82M guaranteed. (without incentives that could drive that up)
If confidence isn't the issue I'd like to know what people think is behind the games where he clearly isn't playing up to his abilities.
And this was the problem with the DG bootlicker cult. The burden of proof for me to prove these things is impossible. But I was definitely right about DG and the Giants being huge laggards on analytics and innovation despite not being able to attain a data set to prove it.
Conjecture doesn't make me right or wrong, or you right or wrong. But for some reason some people feel comfortable treating me disrespectfully around something I am way more qualified to talk about than them. And that is what I react to. Anyone that wants to have a respectful discussion about my thought process I am happy to have. But I'm past the point in my life and my career where I'm going to tolerate disrespect towards what is a clear skill of mine that I have worked many years to get better and better at.
I don't know what you want from me here. Without an ability to interview DJ in game, or an FMRI or something along those lines you are basically asking me to prove and unproveable thing or admit I'm wrong.
And both of those are shitty options and I'd expect people to be smart enough to know that instead of the tact that has been taken.
1. Undercover? How is he undercover lol. Its just Jones working in a store. If he's not in full uniform is he considered undercover?
2. Are some people forgetting how difficult it was for Eli early? The happy feet, the bad decisions, the 4 INT game against the Vikings. Eli didn't come into the league all cerebral.
3. NGD. You are just itching to tell everyone how successful you are, huh lol
I am itching to be treated with respect. A lot of my life I've had people treat me like I was crazy because I thought differently. I'm done with that and if people want to treat me like I am crazy or a joke or disrespectfully for suggesting alternative predictive frameworks I am happy to tell them how silly THAT suggestion is with proof of why.
I would be happy to stay focused on my opinions and theories and thinking if other people could stick to that instead of what happened on this thread.
That being said, I need to read more details behind when you think DJs lack of confidence manifested itself on the field. It’s one thing to be jittery in media sessions; I don’t think that necessarily translates to lack of confidence in between the whistles. From all accounts, DJ has the faith of his teammates and coaches and that doesn’t sound like a QB lacking confidence.
There are plenty of examples to cite where DJ didn’t execute well, but I’m not sure if lack of confidence as a root cause will be easily identifiable.
Looking forward to some detailed responses. BTW, I’m sincere when I say this.
DJ’s success is strongly correlated to how much time his OL gives him and how much separation his receivers get.
Confidence, as a vague term can also be used to express how much trust he has in his receivers to make a play on a ball with tight coverage. As we all recall with Eli, at his best, he threw a lot of 50-50 balls to players, like Nicks and Plaxico.
I’m hoping a guy like Waller will allow DJ to make throws he would not otherwise make.
DJ was just a walk on at Duke and he converted that into a starting job as a sophomore and played well over his college career to become a first round NFL draft pick.
Jones then replaces a future HoF QB in Eli Manning in only the third game of his rookie year and has kept the job now for over several years and a few head coaches. And then when a new regime came into power in 2022 and passed on his 5th year option, Jones stepped up and played well enough to lead the team to its first playoff victory in over a decade and was rewarded with a 4-year $160M contract.
I don't know, but if Jones lacks confidence and that has been holding him back so far in his football career then I can't wait to see what happens when he finds some.
That being said, I need to read more details behind when you think DJs lack of confidence manifested itself on the field. It’s one thing to be jittery in media sessions; I don’t think that necessarily translates to lack of confidence in between the whistles. From all accounts, DJ has the faith of his teammates and coaches and that doesn’t sound like a QB lacking confidence.
There are plenty of examples to cite where DJ didn’t execute well, but I’m not sure if lack of confidence as a root cause will be easily identifiable.
Looking forward to some detailed responses. BTW, I’m sincere when I say this.
Prior to this past year there is a literal mountain of evidence of him holding the ball too long (speaks to lack of confidence) making dumb plays (easiest line to draw is to being nervous) but to tackle the he's grown past that, let's look at this year. And I will use the words of others.
Not a comment I ever find myself saying about a confident person. But in case people want to excuse him based on competition let's take a look at the Seahawks which was simply a high pressure, high stakes came against a bad defense. (Seahawks 28th in pass rush win rate and 24th in points allowed, 25th in yards allowed)
My key example there comes from their opening drive of the game. They ran a mesh-concept that every single offense uses in these 3rd-and-3-7 yards to go situations. Two crossers underneath and a third target that sits in the middle. The design worked, the routes were good, and tight end Tanner Hudson was wide open with nobody around him on the other side of the first down marker. Jones did not see it, threw to Marcus Johnson (who was covered tightly), and NYG came up a yard short, punt. Jones did not pull the trigger on that play and four others (I’m being conservative). He also overthrew two downfield passes where his guy had multiple steps ahead of the defender. We can keep repeating ourselves over and over about the lack of weapons Jones has. You know, I know, everyone knows it. But that does not excuse a game like this one.
Confidence is at the root of not throwing the ball.
However, the most alarming number was his eight big-time throws. Only Matt Ryan threw fewer, with six on 73 fewer pass attempts (including playoffs). To put this number into perspective, Mac Jones and the New England Patriots’ passing attack was much-maligned throughout the season as being ineffective. Mac Jones still made 22 big-time throws, almost tripling Daniel Jones’ total on 92 fewer attempts.
Part of a big time throw is fitting something into a tight window. What does it take to pull the trigger on a throw into a tight window? You guessed it, confidence!
Saying that Matt Ryan was the only QB with fewer "big time" throws
Did Matt Ryan all of a sudden lose confidence or did the Colts offense suck?
You can cherry pick reviews but all QBs have good and bad games. The DJ supporters expect that with more weapons and an improved OL - he will continue to improve (or "gain confidence" as you call it)
You really have an agenda. I will continue to believe that DJ's confidence will grow as the talent around him grows.
And I will continue to believe that in addition to OL and WR issues, drastically reducing his turnovers were another factor in his more conservative play.
You say
"Part of a big time throw is fitting something into a tight window. What does it take to pull the trigger on a throw into a tight window? You guessed it, confidence!"
As I said above - you are ignoring confidence in your receivers. DJ's accuracy is definitely top tier.
Wait...is "alternative data" the same as "alternative facts?"
Because data is data and facts are facts. To even put "alternative" next to it just means a person is cherry picking from that data set to merely confirm one's own hypothesis.
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
I basically disagree strongly with all of this and I know you are shooting for "contrarian".
First off, you don't understand the comparison? When you make statements like that, it basically tells everyone that you're going for shock value.
They have almost identical football personalities. Very quiet, ho hum, work harder than everyone else and stay pretty even keeled. They are both big bodied QB's that came into the league with a lot of scrutiny. Neither came in like Peyton or Luck as sure fire QB's. Eli was only drafted because of his brother and DJ was a reach at 6.
The differences are much less than the similarities. DJ is fast, Eli is far from it. Eli has proven to be able to make the plays necessary to lead a deep playoff run. We don't know if DJ has that, but based on their personalities, I'd bet he does. So yeah, you can at least understand the comparisons.
I said it before and you glanced by it, but Eli did not come into the league being "good between the ears". He was routinely destroyed for his decision making and happy feet. His own GM called him out as did teammates. Eli came into his own in 2007.
DJ lacks confidence? What? Did he lack confidence when he went into Minny and lit up the Vikings in their place? Did Eli lack confidence in his first 2 playoff games where he threw for an average of 145 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT's?
You get the responses you get(a perceived lack of respect) because you said something incredibly stupid. If you don't like those responses, try not to say things incredibly stupid.
That being said, I don't have an issue with you. I'm sure you will be slightly offended by what I said and I apologize for you being offended, but its true. I look forward to some future posts from you that aren't as stupid. Congrats on the success, I've been around from the beginning of your career.
I don't have an opinion on Jones's confidence in himself -- but based on the contract Schoen gave him which is way closer in real guarantees to Derek Carr vs. the big name guys -- I'd say Schoen has moderate confidence in Jones.
Everything you are saying about DJ was said about Eli. He used to get DESTROYED for his body language. It's almost identical to what people were writing in Eli's early years lol
In an attempt to be contrarian, you are the same as everyone in 2004/2005. The difference is, most of us learned from it, you didn't.
RE: RE: Do you remember when Eli had just been drafted and people were
saying that he didn't have the right type of personality to be a top qb?
I was just thinking about that. Apparently he had Daunte Culpepper's personality and wasn't fiery enough.
Yeah, you could see his lack of confidence on the field. Major factor in leading Giants to first playoff in a long while. Making many clutch plays with a sub par team. I believe there were 3 games he willed the team to win, GB, Colts and Vikes. nogaindayne I hope is pulling all our legs. If not he dosent have a clue.
I would add Indy and the 2nd WFT game as well. Plenty of big performances in big moments for the season to at least hope with a better team he takes more steps forward. He goes into year 5 having overcome a lot which can help down the road imv.
Schoen had some leverage with the tag and I think this factored into things as well as recognizing that things change quickly in this league and not just at QB.
I find a few who live in the data world coupled with making assumptions are some of the worst I see on football matters. Especially QB.
with confidence. I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying his confidence crumbles to a point where Sy even said he folded in the most important game of his career. And to Kmed and the absolutely ludicrous Eli comparisons that man never displayed confidence issues.
Don’t confuse people questioning Eli for looking awww shucks at times with lack of leadership qualities and confidence. Eli was a leader and a gamer in college, had it in his DNA. Jones had an improved but still league average season per the PFF article I shared and it is an insult to Eli and his deep pedigree before he entered the NFL and early in his career for many, many more years than Jones. And the most important point is that stat I shared in big time throws. Jones held the ball too long in college all the way through his best season that is not confident play. Eli always threw into tight windows and did so with great confidence. The core strength of Eli is a big weakness of Jones. So that is what makes the comparisons insane.
Elaborate the similarities between Eli a statuesque QB and Jones the quite mobile QB.
And spare me the off field BS narratives that anyone can craft. Talk on the field similarities.
Just catching up on this thread...how did DJ posing undercover @ a store morph into a debate on his confidence? When I watched it, he looked pretty confident in his own skin. He was cracking jokes, making light of stuff. Maybe he's a bit awkward-I don't think so-but I guess that could be a take.
Love Eli but DJ a little more swag
I would, and then I'd crop me out and pay a voodoo priestess to put a pick 6 spell on Hurts.
Blue looks like green, Jalen...
Why not? By all accounts Hurts is one of the good guys in the NFL. It's ok to like the man but root against him in the games. You know that, right?
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The Eagles fan taking a photograph with DJ...never in a million years would I take a photo with Hurts.
Why not? By all accounts Hurts is one of the good guys in the NFL. It's ok to like the man but root against him in the games. You know that, right?
Of course I know that. I just wouldn't want to take a smiling photograph with an Eagles player.
Hahaha, I was thinking the same thing!
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The Eagles fan taking a photograph with DJ...never in a million years would I take a photo with Hurts.
Why not? By all accounts Hurts is one of the good guys in the NFL. It's ok to like the man but root against him in the games. You know that, right?
I know nothing about hurts. I just hate him because I hate the eagles. But nothing against him personally, I know zero about him.
Well except my wife thinks he is good looking but I will let that pass because dude can do some modeling on the side for sure.
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The Eagles fan taking a photograph with DJ...never in a million years would I take a photo with Hurts.
Why not? By all accounts Hurts is one of the good guys in the NFL. It's ok to like the man but root against him in the games. You know that, right?
Spot on. For example, I always liked Romo as a person but hated him on the field. He took advantage of being the Cowboys QB1 to date some pretty hot ladies. Gotta respect that!
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The Eagles fan taking a photograph with DJ...never in a million years would I take a photo with Hurts.
I would, and then I'd crop me out and pay a voodoo priestess to put a pick 6 spell on Hurts.
Blue looks like green, Jalen...
Holy shit! Thanks for the coffee spit onto the keyboard! Hilarious
I would. Hurts I think is overrated as a QB but he still seems like a super genuine and nice person. I wish he was playing for another team so I could root for him.
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Pretty much how I feel as well, and I feel the same about just about any pro athlete who doesn’t play for a team I root for.
I have a picture with Randall Cunningham when he was with the Eagles. Ran into him at a Macy's of all places. He was doing an autograph signing someplace at the mall that day and was sopping when he was done.
Really nice guy. We talked about the bad memories he created for me against the Giants. Autographed one of the leftover pictures for me from his signing and I didn't even ask The person he was with had a camera and they mailed me the picture after it was developed.
I always remember that when rooting against these guys on the field.
I think he and Eli have the same type of swag.
It’s just Eli would never do this kind of exposure if he was playing.
I think he and Eli have the same type of swag.
It’s just Eli would never do this kind of exposure if he was playing.
Came to say this. The similarities are kinda ridiculous. Interviewing him must've been like deja vu.
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…it’s a little erie.
I think he and Eli have the same type of swag.
It’s just Eli would never do this kind of exposure if he was playing.
Came to say this. The similarities are kinda ridiculous. Interviewing him must've been like deja vu.
Meant the draft process for the folks who worked with Eli. That had to be a funny one. Talk about cut from the same cloth.
Well they did cut away from that one guy quick before he could give his opinion on Jones...
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The Eagles fan taking a photograph with DJ...never in a million years would I take a photo with Hurts.
I would, and then I'd crop me out and pay a voodoo priestess to put a pick 6 spell on Hurts.
Blue looks like green, Jalen...
I really hope that eagles fan does not think like you. Great now I have to have anxiety over this now too :( Thanks man ugh ;)
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The Eagles fan taking a photograph with DJ...never in a million years would I take a photo with Hurts.
I would, and then I'd crop me out and pay a voodoo priestess to put a pick 6 spell on Hurts.
Blue looks like green, Jalen...
I really hope that eagles fan does not think like you. Great now I have to have anxiety over this now too :( Thanks man ugh ;)
If an Eagles fan thought like me, he'd be a Giants fan.
Enhance your cakm.
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
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The Eagles fan taking a photograph with DJ...never in a million years would I take a photo with Hurts.
I would, and then I'd crop me out and pay a voodoo priestess to put a pick 6 spell on Hurts.
Blue looks like green, Jalen...
I really hope that eagles fan does not think like you. Great now I have to have anxiety over this now too :( Thanks man ugh ;)
If an Eagles fan thought like me, he'd be a Giants fan.
Enhance your cakm.
That’s a good point, critical thinking is not their strong suit.
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
You're free to have doubts about Jones based on his play on the field, but to conclude that he "clearly" lacks the right stuff because of a goofy one-off video is pretty rich.
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I do not understand the comparison.
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
You're free to have doubts about Jones based on his play on the field, but to conclude that he "clearly" lacks the right stuff because of a goofy one-off video is pretty rich.
I'm sorry but did you just tell me I was not free to think what I think? I've pretty much made a career of using different data than other people to predict things so maybe I find your narrow think inside the same box as everyone else kind of approach to be "rich."
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I do not understand the comparison.
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
You're free to have doubts about Jones based on his play on the field, but to conclude that he "clearly" lacks the right stuff because of a goofy one-off video is pretty rich.
I'm sorry but did you just tell me I was not free to think what I think? I've pretty much made a career of using different data than other people to predict things so maybe I find your narrow think inside the same box as everyone else kind of approach to be "rich."
Please point out where I told you you're not free to think what you want. You stated your opinion, I stated that what I thought of it. The reigning NFL Coach of the Year and his GM clearly don't share it. And unless you have a magical connection with Daniel Jones's soul, I don't think it's a cut-and-dried fact whether he "lacks confidence" or not. We'll see who's right.
So - you’ve made a career being contrarian? I’m guessing you have a lot more misses than hits.
I’m still hoping you are kidding. But if you’re not, I’m guessing you’re responding from a basement.
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
Assuming you are serious, I thought Jones was pretty good in that spot.
If that does not show confidence, I don’t know what does.
I am really curious as to what you do for a living that would lead you to the opinion that commercial shows that he will be a failure.
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I do not understand the comparison.
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
Assuming you are serious, I thought Jones was pretty good in that spot.
He has an uneasy energy to him. Like he’s nervous. Almost at all times honestly. When he is jittery on the field in his decisions it is a further manifestation of that the two are very much connected
Shit, this cannot be the leader of men.
NoGain is clearly right. I cannot believe I missed that.
So - you’ve made a career being contrarian? I’m guessing you have a lot more misses than hits.
I’m still hoping you are kidding. But if you’re not, I’m guessing you’re responding from a basement.
I said I’ve made a career out of predicting things with different data than people but I am most definitely not missing more than I’m hitting I’ve been over 100% in excess of the S&P 500 each of the last two years now. Looks like a big swing and a miss for you on this one, eh?
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I do not understand the comparison.
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
You're free to have doubts about Jones based on his play on the field, but to conclude that he "clearly" lacks the right stuff because of a goofy one-off video is pretty rich.
I'm sorry but did you just tell me I was not free to think what I think? I've pretty much made a career of using different data than other people to predict things so maybe I find your narrow think inside the same box as everyone else kind of approach to be "rich."
Please point out where I told you you're not free to think what you want. You stated your opinion, I stated that what I thought of it. The reigning NFL Coach of the Year and his GM clearly don't share it. And unless you have a magical connection with Daniel Jones's soul, I don't think it's a cut-and-dried fact whether he "lacks confidence" or not. We'll see who's right.
Correct I am saying that as my opinion
Right?..
And Porsche
And Siemens
And IBM
And Volkswagon
And Bayer
Ok
Like he’s pretending to be a salesman at a close store when he’s really not?
I’m sure you’re excellent at picking stocks or whatever you do, but I’m not seeing how that translates into this odd insight
Assuming you are serious, I thought Jones was pretty good in that spot.
He has an uneasy energy to him. Like he’s nervous. Almost at all times honestly. When he is jittery on the field in his decisions it is a further manifestation of that the two are very much connected
It's always interesting to me how people can see situations so differently. I'm completely the other way on this with Jones.
I still think you are a very smart guy, btw... ;)
His WR get no separation
And there’s 300 lbs guys who are trying to kill him
Somehow when he gets some time and decent receivers he seems to be less jittery?
It is only when people treat me like I’m crazy or stupid for having my own ideas about things that pisses me off
See here is the thing. I didn’t ask you for your trial wins. And also you being a lawyer does not give you any special expertise in predicting things. That has been my profession for 12 years. Including work on a wearable gyroscope that used readings to detect and suggest alterations to posture and body position. And I’ve done many different kinds of predictive pipelines.
These situations end up happening because instead of asking questions like this one it goes straight to talking down to or as if I’m crazy or joking. But for all the pride in thinking the same way as everyone else due to your classic attempt at the “contrarian” insult many of you proud normals seem to forget everything we have today was built by and on the shoulders of people that think differently. I could start by treating you like you are stupid or crazy but I don’t do that but people seem very comfortable doing that to me.
The hands in the pockets isn’t the brush off you think it is because it reflects nervous energy and non confident shoulder position because you are lowering them to put the hands in your pockets. From the link below on confident body language
“It doesn’t matter how tall you are, when your posture is straight and aligned, instead of shoulders slumped and head down, you will appear in control and confident“
“You should avoid pointing which may seem aggressive, putting hands in your pockets which communicates that you are uninterested or nervous”
It’s the 2nd rule after non-aggressive. But honestly the body language wasn’t necessary his demeanor is just insanely meek and uncertain for someone supposedly leading a major sports franchise at the most important position. I get it is probably still impressive for a lot of you but not someone who has been around a lot of great leaders, either that or you have your blue goggles glued to your face.
I don’t know how it isn’t readily apparent especially because most sales people approaching me in a store do so with a much more confident energy. And I get that people want to separate these things but he frequently displays the same nervous energy on the field. And I was beating this drum before had many nervous and jittery games in the NFL where made a lot of poor decisions or held the ball too long due to an inability to make one. It’s not a leap, I’m actually drawing the line.
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Everyone says stuff and insults QBs Eli was a gamer in a form that Jones never was and he was a gamer in the NFL.
He didn’t have anything like Jones year 2 and 3 and the circumstances were tough but that doesn’t mean they didn’t happen. You can’t just toss them out
I was just thinking about that. Apparently he had Daunte Culpepper's personality and wasn't fiery enough.
Now that I know that you are, my simple response to all you were saying is that he’s a very honest guy who is pretending to be something he’s not - which makes him uncomfortable.
As I said above, no one believed in him coming into last season. He had the internal confidence to lead a undermanned NFL team to a playoff win.
In my opinion, he is an incredibly confident person, and has exactly the correct demeanor and personality to lead an NFL franchise.
I’m sorry for any insulting language. I always respect people who are not sheep and have their own opinions. I simply strongly disagree with you, not because your opinion is unusual just because I feel strongly you are wrong.
While others see a man who obviously lacks confidence and is loosely connected to the German Third Reich.
Confidence comes from preparation and then execution (this after possessing the physical traits). I can't think of many situations that compare to what a QB has to accomplish in around 3 seconds or less.
Jones still has a lot of TBD and like any QB a lot of things will have to go right to reach what potential he has.
Holy shitty projections, Batman!
That being said I never take photos with any celebs. I’ll chat with them but I don’t do the photo thing. For anyone.
That being said I never take photos with any celebs. I’ll chat with them but I don’t do the photo thing. For anyone.
It irritates me that I like Hurts as much as I do.
Now that I know that you are, my simple response to all you were saying is that he’s a very honest guy who is pretending to be something he’s not - which makes him uncomfortable.
As I said above, no one believed in him coming into last season. He had the internal confidence to lead a undermanned NFL team to a playoff win.
In my opinion, he is an incredibly confident person, and has exactly the correct demeanor and personality to lead an NFL franchise.
I’m sorry for any insulting language. I always respect people who are not sheep and have their own opinions. I simply strongly disagree with you, not because your opinion is unusual just because I feel strongly you are wrong.
He got flustered trying to pick a chair when he was doing the Giants town hall before he came into the league.
Yes that is your opinion, the best leaders I know, especially if they are doing something for their job like this it doesn't matter how in their comfort zone they are. They have a generalized confidence. As do many NFL QBs.
But I respect that you have a different perspective and appreciate you dialing it back down with me, it takes two.
2. Are some people forgetting how difficult it was for Eli early? The happy feet, the bad decisions, the 4 INT game against the Vikings. Eli didn't come into the league all cerebral.
3. NGD. You are just itching to tell everyone how successful you are, huh lol
If you came here with stats to back up why you believe Jones will fail, while it may remind some of a guy from Syracuse, it also may be a little more convincing. Plus didn’t you already predict he was going to fail last season and would never be re-signed by Schoen? Now your just doubling down.
I don't think Jones's body language in a town hall meeting or during a prank video counts for anywhere near as much as what he does on the field (which is what he actually gets paid for). It wouldn't be the first time someone is reserved and awkward "off the set" (like Robert DeNiro) and different when it's lights, camera, action. (And before someone makes a crack, I'm not saying Jones is the DeNiro of his profession.)
The only thing that ultimately matters is if Jones can play confident football with improved personnel and scheming around him. Some think he can, some think he won't. We shall see.
This is a clown who continues to claim Jomes doesn't have confidence because of the way he picked a chair. Not kidding as he's even reinforced that shitty take above. He is a prime example of a guy who was wrong about Jones and just takes any opportunity to regale the board on how he was right.
He couldn't be more wrong, but why have that stop another chance to have the thin-skinned lunatic post another time about how he is an expert. Captain Resume strikes again!
I look forward to all your contributions and debate about the Giants on BBI this year.
We all miss you!
If you came here with stats to back up why you believe Jones will fail, while it may remind some of a guy from Syracuse, it also may be a little more convincing. Plus didn’t you already predict he was going to fail last season and would never be re-signed by Schoen? Now your just doubling down.
Show me the tape where I said that.
Also my specialty is alternative data and building my own data sets which is much easier to tackle in a professional setting. This is a hypothesis of mine. One I was mocked for with the chair, but in my mind that has been largely validated as his talent is there. And when things are going well he's rolling and making good decisions.
But there is another person that looks nervous, jittery and makes bad decisions, bad throws. And that screams that it isn't a physical issue and 100% between the ears.
To me the data shows that my hypothesis was validated as he looks like a different player based on what can only really be described as his mental state.
I never doubted his physical abilities BTW. And my guess was never that he wasn't going to get a contract (that was other people) I did say he would be retained and overpaid, and I think he very much was overpaid relative to a clear benchmark in Geno Smith AND the fact that 2X franchise was $69M and for reasons unknown gave him $82M guaranteed. (without incentives that could drive that up)
If confidence isn't the issue I'd like to know what people think is behind the games where he clearly isn't playing up to his abilities.
And this was the problem with the DG bootlicker cult. The burden of proof for me to prove these things is impossible. But I was definitely right about DG and the Giants being huge laggards on analytics and innovation despite not being able to attain a data set to prove it.
Conjecture doesn't make me right or wrong, or you right or wrong. But for some reason some people feel comfortable treating me disrespectfully around something I am way more qualified to talk about than them. And that is what I react to. Anyone that wants to have a respectful discussion about my thought process I am happy to have. But I'm past the point in my life and my career where I'm going to tolerate disrespect towards what is a clear skill of mine that I have worked many years to get better and better at.
I don't know what you want from me here. Without an ability to interview DJ in game, or an FMRI or something along those lines you are basically asking me to prove and unproveable thing or admit I'm wrong.
And both of those are shitty options and I'd expect people to be smart enough to know that instead of the tact that has been taken.
2. Are some people forgetting how difficult it was for Eli early? The happy feet, the bad decisions, the 4 INT game against the Vikings. Eli didn't come into the league all cerebral.
3. NGD. You are just itching to tell everyone how successful you are, huh lol
I am itching to be treated with respect. A lot of my life I've had people treat me like I was crazy because I thought differently. I'm done with that and if people want to treat me like I am crazy or a joke or disrespectfully for suggesting alternative predictive frameworks I am happy to tell them how silly THAT suggestion is with proof of why.
I would be happy to stay focused on my opinions and theories and thinking if other people could stick to that instead of what happened on this thread.
I look forward to all your contributions and debate about the Giants on BBI this year.
We all miss you!
What you are seeing is an illusion. The person you speak of doesn't have time for BBI. They have made that clear.
He has an important bootlicking agenda elsewhere!
That being said, I need to read more details behind when you think DJs lack of confidence manifested itself on the field. It’s one thing to be jittery in media sessions; I don’t think that necessarily translates to lack of confidence in between the whistles. From all accounts, DJ has the faith of his teammates and coaches and that doesn’t sound like a QB lacking confidence.
There are plenty of examples to cite where DJ didn’t execute well, but I’m not sure if lack of confidence as a root cause will be easily identifiable.
Looking forward to some detailed responses. BTW, I’m sincere when I say this.
Confidence, as a vague term can also be used to express how much trust he has in his receivers to make a play on a ball with tight coverage. As we all recall with Eli, at his best, he threw a lot of 50-50 balls to players, like Nicks and Plaxico.
I’m hoping a guy like Waller will allow DJ to make throws he would not otherwise make.
Jones then replaces a future HoF QB in Eli Manning in only the third game of his rookie year and has kept the job now for over several years and a few head coaches. And then when a new regime came into power in 2022 and passed on his 5th year option, Jones stepped up and played well enough to lead the team to its first playoff victory in over a decade and was rewarded with a 4-year $160M contract.
I don't know, but if Jones lacks confidence and that has been holding him back so far in his football career then I can't wait to see what happens when he finds some.
That being said, I need to read more details behind when you think DJs lack of confidence manifested itself on the field. It’s one thing to be jittery in media sessions; I don’t think that necessarily translates to lack of confidence in between the whistles. From all accounts, DJ has the faith of his teammates and coaches and that doesn’t sound like a QB lacking confidence.
There are plenty of examples to cite where DJ didn’t execute well, but I’m not sure if lack of confidence as a root cause will be easily identifiable.
Looking forward to some detailed responses. BTW, I’m sincere when I say this.
Prior to this past year there is a literal mountain of evidence of him holding the ball too long (speaks to lack of confidence) making dumb plays (easiest line to draw is to being nervous) but to tackle the he's grown past that, let's look at this year. And I will use the words of others.
Sy on the Eagles Playoff game:
Not a comment I ever find myself saying about a confident person. But in case people want to excuse him based on competition let's take a look at the Seahawks which was simply a high pressure, high stakes came against a bad defense. (Seahawks 28th in pass rush win rate and 24th in points allowed, 25th in yards allowed)
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Confidence is at the root of not throwing the ball.
PFF on Jones:
Part of a big time throw is fitting something into a tight window. What does it take to pull the trigger on a throw into a tight window? You guessed it, confidence!
Did Matt Ryan all of a sudden lose confidence or did the Colts offense suck?
You can cherry pick reviews but all QBs have good and bad games. The DJ supporters expect that with more weapons and an improved OL - he will continue to improve (or "gain confidence" as you call it)
You really have an agenda. I will continue to believe that DJ's confidence will grow as the talent around him grows.
And I will continue to believe that in addition to OL and WR issues, drastically reducing his turnovers were another factor in his more conservative play.
You say
"Part of a big time throw is fitting something into a tight window. What does it take to pull the trigger on a throw into a tight window? You guessed it, confidence!"
As I said above - you are ignoring confidence in your receivers. DJ's accuracy is definitely top tier.
I don't think actual analysis works that way.
Eli came into the NFL with the good between the ears.
Jones still has big questions there. He clearly lacks confidence, I don't know how anyone could see this and be anything but worried about his ability to lead a team to a Super Bowl when he's wearing the pressure of this commercial.
I basically disagree strongly with all of this and I know you are shooting for "contrarian".
First off, you don't understand the comparison? When you make statements like that, it basically tells everyone that you're going for shock value.
They have almost identical football personalities. Very quiet, ho hum, work harder than everyone else and stay pretty even keeled. They are both big bodied QB's that came into the league with a lot of scrutiny. Neither came in like Peyton or Luck as sure fire QB's. Eli was only drafted because of his brother and DJ was a reach at 6.
The differences are much less than the similarities. DJ is fast, Eli is far from it. Eli has proven to be able to make the plays necessary to lead a deep playoff run. We don't know if DJ has that, but based on their personalities, I'd bet he does. So yeah, you can at least understand the comparisons.
I said it before and you glanced by it, but Eli did not come into the league being "good between the ears". He was routinely destroyed for his decision making and happy feet. His own GM called him out as did teammates. Eli came into his own in 2007.
DJ lacks confidence? What? Did he lack confidence when he went into Minny and lit up the Vikings in their place? Did Eli lack confidence in his first 2 playoff games where he threw for an average of 145 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT's?
You get the responses you get(a perceived lack of respect) because you said something incredibly stupid. If you don't like those responses, try not to say things incredibly stupid.
That being said, I don't have an issue with you. I'm sure you will be slightly offended by what I said and I apologize for you being offended, but its true. I look forward to some future posts from you that aren't as stupid. Congrats on the success, I've been around from the beginning of your career.
In an attempt to be contrarian, you are the same as everyone in 2004/2005. The difference is, most of us learned from it, you didn't.
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saying that he didn't have the right type of personality to be a top qb?
I was just thinking about that. Apparently he had Daunte Culpepper's personality and wasn't fiery enough.
Yeah, you could see his lack of confidence on the field. Major factor in leading Giants to first playoff in a long while. Making many clutch plays with a sub par team. I believe there were 3 games he willed the team to win, GB, Colts and Vikes. nogaindayne I hope is pulling all our legs. If not he dosent have a clue.
Schoen had some leverage with the tag and I think this factored into things as well as recognizing that things change quickly in this league and not just at QB.
I find a few who live in the data world coupled with making assumptions are some of the worst I see on football matters. Especially QB.
I look forward to all your contributions and debate about the Giants on BBI this year.
We all miss you!
I second this.
Despite our friction over the years, it's always good to our Fatfriend joining a thread and doing his FatMan thing.
Further, I hear FatMan has a good NYG podcast. I'm going to search it out to see if my Fatfriend is just as captivating in video as he is in print...
Don’t confuse people questioning Eli for looking awww shucks at times with lack of leadership qualities and confidence. Eli was a leader and a gamer in college, had it in his DNA. Jones had an improved but still league average season per the PFF article I shared and it is an insult to Eli and his deep pedigree before he entered the NFL and early in his career for many, many more years than Jones. And the most important point is that stat I shared in big time throws. Jones held the ball too long in college all the way through his best season that is not confident play. Eli always threw into tight windows and did so with great confidence. The core strength of Eli is a big weakness of Jones. So that is what makes the comparisons insane.
Elaborate the similarities between Eli a statuesque QB and Jones the quite mobile QB.
And spare me the off field BS narratives that anyone can craft. Talk on the field similarities.
However, if you recall, there was a huge deal about Tiki saying the players couldn’t take Eli seriously as a leader.