won't be added and Lavender likely won't be either. I completely understand why people want to see "new" faces but teams generally do not add prospects to the 40 man (in a losing season) before they have to. There is no turning back and even bad rosters do run up against roster limitations.
-Today we have Tyler Stuart (coming off his worst career start. He's very possibly wearing down) and Jordany Ventura coming off of back to back gems (14 innings 3 hits 19 k's). Ventura has allowed more than 3 runs 3 times all season (20 games pitched)
-McDaniel names Jett Williams the Mets #1 prospect, Drew Gilbert #2
11. New York Mets
2023 preseason rank: 11
2022 midseason rank: 14
2022 preseason rank: 20
2021 midseason rank: 22
Top 100 prospects: Luisangel Acuña, SS/2B (No. 40); Drew Gilbert, OF (No. 56); Jett Williams, SS/OF (No. 83); Ronny Mauricio, 2B/OF/SS (No. 92); Kevin Parada, C (No. 95)
New York famously added to its prospect core at this year’s Deadline, bringing in two Top 100 prospects in Acuña and Gilbert alongside other notable talents like Ryan Clifford, Marco Vargas and Justin Jarvis. Those trades certainly helped build out the Mets’ top-end talent and depth, but the organization still isn’t quite there in either department to break into the Top 10. The good news: many of the organization’s top names could see Queens soon with nine of the Top 17 already at Double-A or Triple-A
jarvis is rule 5 eligible and luchessi has made a few rehab starts
so i think those are probably the 2 most interesting arms who get chances down the stretch (though jarvis hasn't pitched particularly well so that's not a given, vasil also wasn't pitching particularly well up until recently so hopefully that similarly flips quickly).
RE: jarvis is rule 5 eligible and luchessi has made a few rehab starts
so i think those are probably the 2 most interesting arms who get chances down the stretch (though jarvis hasn't pitched particularly well so that's not a given, vasil also wasn't pitching particularly well up until recently so hopefully that similarly flips quickly).
Jarvis and Crow are absolute locks to be added to the 40 man. Jarvis likely won't be called up unless he turns it around in Syracuse. No point in having a guy come up to have his head bashed in.
so i think those are probably the 2 most interesting arms who get chances down the stretch (though jarvis hasn't pitched particularly well so that's not a given, vasil also wasn't pitching particularly well up until recently so hopefully that similarly flips quickly).
Jarvis and Crow are absolute locks to be added to the 40 man. Jarvis likely won't be called up unless he turns it around in Syracuse. No point in having a guy come up to have his head bashed in.
right but my point is anyone thinks vasil is ready now, he too was getting his head bashed in up until the last couple starts. in june when he got promoted to AAA he had a 10+ era. he made 4 starts in july that were better (4.6 era) but he only got out of the 5th inning once. the last 2 starts were probably his best 2 of the year so it's not impossible 2 weeks from now jarvis puts himself in a similar position.
don't think many people think Vasil is MLB ready either though (and Vasil is a much more highly regarded prospect). Jarvis is a fringe top 30 prospect in the Mets system. So far 18 AAA innings 40 baserunners. That doesn't mean he can't turn it around, but it's becoming short on time to do so in time to be in line for an MLB callup. Syracuse's season ends on 9/24.
Kellum Clark on base again. OPS now sits at .924, OBP is over .500. I'd be pretty shocked if he's not with @stluciemets as soon as the FCL season ends. He's too advanced for the level
but im hopeful one day soon cohen wont have the smartest baseball quotes of anyone in the org. another strong article from sammon:
Quote:
“The reality is, the game is changing,” Cohen said. “It’s getting faster. It’s getting younger. You can see the teams that are fun to watch that are young. And with the shift being gone, the defense matters more, speed matters more on the bases. The pitcher is a little bit more gassed from just a 15-second clock. So the game has changed. You gotta change with it.”
A.J. Ewing is making his first career start in LF. It's the third position he's played over his first 6 games, none coming at his natural position (SS)
but im hopeful one day soon cohen wont have the smartest baseball quotes of anyone in the org. another strong article from sammon:
Quote:
“The reality is, the game is changing,” Cohen said. “It’s getting faster. It’s getting younger. You can see the teams that are fun to watch that are young. And with the shift being gone, the defense matters more, speed matters more on the bases. The pitcher is a little bit more gassed from just a 15-second clock. So the game has changed. You gotta change with it.”
speed and defense, plus their pitchers inability to combat other team's speed, were achilles heels of this years roster. the new rules 100% exacerbated their age problem. Were the Mets a poor fit for baseball’s new rules? Expect a new approach in 2024 - ( New Window )
I was just watching games around the league and it is obvious Nimmo needs to move off leadoff.
Not a real knock on him, but the stolen base is more of a weapon now with the pitch clock and the limit on number of throws to 1st. Nimmo does not steal bases. Alonso has 1 fewer and McNeil the same amount.
He could be a 2 hitter, he has 20 HR power and walks/takes enough pitches to let the leadoff hitter steal, but I like what i see so far with Jett - more of a leadoff hitter IMO if he carries that patience, OBP and SB's to the next levels.
Banks remains in the game, allows a walk and is replaced by Louis who allows the runner to score. Banks final line 1 inning 0 hits 1 er 2 walks 1 K #Mets
but im hopeful one day soon cohen wont have the smartest baseball quotes of anyone in the org. another strong article from sammon:
Quote:
“The reality is, the game is changing,” Cohen said. “It’s getting faster. It’s getting younger. You can see the teams that are fun to watch that are young. And with the shift being gone, the defense matters more, speed matters more on the bases. The pitcher is a little bit more gassed from just a 15-second clock. So the game has changed. You gotta change with it.”
speed and defense, plus their pitchers inability to combat other team's speed, were achilles heels of this years roster. the new rules 100% exacerbated their age problem. Were the Mets a poor fit for baseball’s new rules? Expect a new approach in 2024 - ( New Window )
I was just watching games around the league and it is obvious Nimmo needs to move off leadoff.
Not a real knock on him, but the stolen base is more of a weapon now with the pitch clock and the limit on number of throws to 1st. Nimmo does not steal bases. Alonso has 1 fewer and McNeil the same amount.
He could be a 2 hitter, he has 20 HR power and walks/takes enough pitches to let the leadoff hitter steal, but I like what i see so far with Jett - more of a leadoff hitter IMO if he carries that patience, OBP and SB's to the next levels.
acuna will hopefully get himself in the leadoff consideration in the next year or 2. explosive athletes are hard to find in free agency unless they have big flaws. i know he's struggled post-trade but he's the prospect who has the most unique skillset in terms of what was already in the organization.
had no clue about this but apparently when Asian HS players bypass going to the NPB/KBO their HS's lose 5 years of MLB funding (which is what's going to happen to the HS of the kid the Dodgers just signed Hyun-Seok Jang) and they even had an actual rule banning such players from returning for 2 years if they left their MLB organizations (this rule was lifted officially but apparently is still mostly enforced).
Agreed on Nimmo being an ideal #2 hitter. The fact that he also hits from the left side, is a tough player to turn double plays on, is a contact hitter, uses the whole field, takes pitches (as noted), gets on base without the benefit of a hit, has enough power, and finally is a good baserunner, to me he's basically the perfect #2 hitter.
6 innings 2 hits 0 er 3 walks 10 k's. Yup. 57 k's over his last 34.2 innings. Still don't know what to make of this guy. Far too hittable at times, the epitome of a "when he's on, he's on" P
Parada (rehab and DHing) 0-3, Lara 2-2. SB, having a rough August coming into today but very nice under the radar season. Could be a very nice bench piece, Mosquera 0-3, Lorusso 0-2 (3-32 to begin his career), Morabito 0-2
I don't think anybody is clamoring to see 34 year old ex-Met pick Adam Kolarek so badly, but post trade he's only allowed 1 hit over 5.1 innings (6 appearances). Carved out a decent career for an 11th round pick who was released by @mets before making an MLB appearance #Mets
Diaz pitched off a mound yesterday for the first time since the WBC injury.
Really the event that triggered this debacle of a season.
I know people on here are generally ridiculous about injuries, but I'd like to see Diaz take the mound before the end of the season for a few reasons....
1. so he doesn't go into 2024 having missed a full season. Maybe semantics but it means something
2. serve as a cleanse to this shit show of a season, kind of a bookend to "lift the curse"
3. even while I acknowledge losing is better for the franchise at this point, I also think ending the season on a positive note could be a good thing. I believe in the power of persuasion and spirituality and good vibes, etc.
not going to say it's critical he pitch and if he doesn't I won't be outraged, but if he's cleared medically I'd let him go out there.
He’s cleared (and they are using some sort of new numbers based system to assist with how quickly he has/will move through his rehab) he will pitch. My guess is assuming no setbacks he makes 2-3 appearances at the very end of the year and if he feels anything resembling soreness or his stuff in rehab doesn’t look how it normally does he will not.
Williams now has the highest bb% in all of minor league baseball (400 or more PA)
Do you think they wait until next year to move him to Bing? He hasn’t been in Brooklyn long, but already it looks like he’s got nothing left to prove at that level.
You’re never gonna live this one down Dan, you were on him from the jump. Good call.
very solid last 3 months. the 9, 9, 7 column is walks and the 7, 11, 16 column is the k's, so he's added power this month at the expense of some k's (and 2bs).
Williams now has the highest bb% in all of minor league baseball (400 or more PA)
Do you think they wait until next year to move him to Bing? He hasn’t been in Brooklyn long, but already it looks like he’s got nothing left to prove at that level.
You’re never gonna live this one down Dan, you were on him from the jump. Good call.
100% a guess but I think he finishes the season in BK. If he finishes strong he'll still play the entire 2024 season as a 20 year old. Stating the obvious but that puts him in line to be a big leaguer as soon as 2025, or if he's outstanding next season, even 2024. He still has some work to do (he's looking less and less like a SS, but that's okay. He's impressed in CF and his issues at SS, okay arm, okay range will be non-issues at 2b, if that's really where this lands.). Completely guessing but I'd say Acuna ends up in CF (more of a quick twitch athlete/can cover more ground) and Jett Williams at 2b.
Related, and maybe just a coincidence but after YEARS of reluctance giving players looks at multiple positions, Jett Williams has played SS/CF, Morabito and Rowdey Jordan have played OF/2b and the Baro/Ewing/Houck/Vargas group have seen time at multiple spots. This seems like a shift in philosophy (and to me a good one).
@BaseballAmerica ranks @mets system #14 in baseball. Pipeline and FG both ranked them #11
14. New York Mets
Top 100 Prospects: SS Luisangel Acuña (63), OF Drew Gilbert (85), OF Ryan Clifford (96), SS Jett Williams (97)
The Skinny: The Mets exchanged Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer—and at least $70 million—for three of the Astros’ and Rangers’ top prospects who now rank as the top three future talents for New York. The Mets added a bevy of other prospects as part of six deadline deals and well-rounded prep shortstop Colin Houck in the 2023 draft. The organization has seen encouraging growth from pitching prospects such as Mike Vasil, Blade Tidwell and Christian Scott.
RE: carlos cortes must really be sniffing his chance
very solid last 3 months. the 9, 9, 7 column is walks and the 7, 11, 16 column is the k's, so he's added power this month at the expense of some k's (and 2bs).
0 reason to not call him up, he's rule 5 eligible. Why lose him (or risk losing him) without giving him a look? If he comes up and stinks then what was lost exactly? It's not like "rushing" up a core piece.
has struggled post trade (no, I'm not concerned). He, Williams and Gilbert sure seem to fall into the "new model" of player that teams are looking for. Speed, some pop, athletic, rangy. Clifford less so, but sluggers will always have value.
I don't personally believe the main reason Mauricio remains in AAA is the PPI program, *but* if you do (or it is) then we are 2 days away from 8/19 (where it comes a non-issue) assuming he doesn't receive 130 ab's the rest of the way #Mets
Not announced in the previous tweet from the FCL team but @mets have assigned 2023 14th round pick John Valle to @FCLMets. Valle immediately was placed on the full-season IL per his MILB page
very solid last 3 months. the 9, 9, 7 column is walks and the 7, 11, 16 column is the k's, so he's added power this month at the expense of some k's (and 2bs).
0 reason to not call him up, he's rule 5 eligible. Why lose him (or risk losing him) without giving him a look? If he comes up and stinks then what was lost exactly? It's not like "rushing" up a core piece.
exactly, he's also always been considered a good bat control guy which would also seemingly fit with the direction they like. 19% k rate, 12% walk rate this year.
Branny De Oleo 1-1, Justin Ramirez 1-1 (3B) (August OPS coming into today 1.035 over 40 ab's), Daiverson Gutierrez 1-1 (terrible numbers, but I still expect him with the FCL team to open 2024)
I don't personally believe the main reason Mauricio remains in AAA is the PPI program, *but* if you do (or it is) then we are 2 days away from 8/19 (where it comes a non-issue) assuming he doesn't receive 130 ab's the rest of the way
has struggled post trade (no, I'm not concerned). He, Williams and Gilbert sure seem to fall into the "new model" of player that teams are looking for. Speed, some pop, athletic, rangy. Clifford less so, but sluggers will always have value.
.190 babip for acuna post trade. only 1 xbh so probably also some underlying bad contact going on, love seeing that his bb/k rates are steady even when he's not hitting the ball well though. both actually slightly better than pre-trade.
really couldnt agree with him more. i hadnt realized fangraphs has a WPA leaderboard. marte was so far and away the worst player on the mets this year it's crazy.
Rough first for Morris and the FCL Mets Vargas throwing error, SB, fly out, wild pitch, double @FCLMets trail 1-0, runner on 2b, 1 down. Their magic number is 1
Morris battles back coaxing a ground out and a fly out stranding the runner on 2b. @FCLMets trail 1-0 after 1. Morris 1 inning 1 hit 0 er 0 walks 0 k's
Ronald Hernandez continues to do his best Jett Williams impression. Walked again. Hernandez has now walked 14 times over 25 ab's since joining @mets and 46 times over 129 ab's total vs. only 33 k's
Who are you more confident will turn it around in 2024? #Mets
Megill
9.6%
Peterson
37.6%
Neither
47.8%
Both
5.1%
(178 votes)
I would have to go with neither. Peterson has great stuff, but you gotta throw strikes. 91 pitches into the 4th inning v a weak Pitt lineup? That’s not going to cut it.
Not to belabor the point but Ronald Hernandez came into today leading the FCL in BB% (25.2%) and had a 31.2% BB rate over his first 11 games as a Met, he's now walked 2 more times already today
Cristofer Gomez has now pitched 39 innings in his professional career and allowed 3 er... 3. Taken the mound 25 times, 3 times runs have scored. Marlins lead 4-3 after 3
if Ronald Acuna gets 13 HR's the rest of the way he's in the 40/40 club. He would need a hot stretch to get there.
If he gets just 8 HR's and 20 SB's he will be the inaugural member of the 35/75 club. he would need to increase his SB pace a little.
just an insane year.
discounting Ohtani due to the complexity and uniqueness of being a pitcher and a hitter is Acuna the best player in baseball right now? I think so (by a lot right now)
if Ronald Acuna gets 13 HR's the rest of the way he's in the 40/40 club. He would need a hot stretch to get there.
If he gets just 8 HR's and 20 SB's he will be the inaugural member of the 35/75 club. he would need to increase his SB pace a little.
just an insane year.
discounting Ohtani due to the complexity and uniqueness of being a pitcher and a hitter is Acuna the best player in baseball right now? I think so (by a lot right now)
Acuna is the best non-Ohtani player in baseball. He's not a particularly good fielder but he's a dominant offensive force.
to my head I'd probably go Ohtani, Acuna, Betts as the top 3 players in baseball if you wanted to argue Judge over Betts I get it. Freeman would probably be next for me after those 2.
to my head I'd probably go Ohtani, Acuna, Betts as the top 3 players in baseball if you wanted to argue Judge over Betts I get it. Freeman would probably be next for me after those 2.
Not putting him in those guys' class yet, but Astros' Kyle Tucker is having an unreal season. Has a good chance at a 30-30 season with over a 100 RBI and currently batting .297.
A guy who could realistically end up in that conversation in the next couple of years is Elly De La Cruz. Has to work on his K-rate and get that average up, but he has all the tools and such an exciting player to watch. Likewise is Oneil Cruz whenever he can get back on the field.
it seems like he's dramatically outperforming the mets 3 ifa bonus babies from last year or is that a misread?
Juan has been terrible, Fanas mediocre and 2023's big name Daiverson Gutierrez has also been awful. Larez was good but then got hurt, Baptist is having a nice season. Long story short, yes.
9-7 following yet another bases loaded HBP. We head to the 9th. A combined 16 runs, on 15 hits, 18 walks, 3 HBP, 3 wild pitches @FCLMets clinch the division with a win
The bad- Jesus Baez with 2 errors, the good Jesus Baez with a hit,3 walks and a SB today. I think he's clearly the best prospect out of the "bigger bonus" 2022 group (Juan, Fanas etc) #Mets
Estarling Mercado (a name I honestly don't recall ever seeing, who somehow skipped the DSL and with 10 career AB's with a pinch hit rbi single). Mets up 11-7 #Mets
We head to the bottom of the 9th with the score 11-7 @FCLMets 3 outs from a division title. Jonaiker Palacios remains in the game to try and close it out
No clue what the actual injury is, but yes Landon Marceaux has joined Coleman Crow (both in the Escobar trade) on the 60-day IL. Crow as was reported last week had TJ earlier this summer.
And Cortes go back to back and Jarvis 4.1 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 4 K
if they dont give cortes a chance it's going to be really aggravating. just once can they call a guy up in the midst of a hot streak, and do the obvious thing? ortega can sit on the bench for a few games. or arauz. or mendick. or dj.
cortes homer was 103 mph - baty has a 112mph groundout
Tyler Thomas has been quite the pickup. After being released by the Cubs
@mets
signed him to a minor league deal. 15 appearances 2.01 era, 22.1 innings 30 k’s
Mathew Brownstein
@MBrownstein89
Jett Williams’ last 50 games dating back to June 13:
Jung Hoo Lee will presumably have many suitors but he'll only be 25 in 2024, can play all 3 OF positions, and of course, a Korean star in Flushing/Queens would have benefits as well. Have to believe he's on the Mets radar
It appears *today* not tomorrow (8/19) is the first-day minor leaguers can be called up and still retain their rookie status for 2024 (PPI). Who knows if this is why Mauricio is still down but one less "reason" for Mauricio being down has been eliminated
@mets have mostly stayed out of the Cuban market in recent seasons. Top of my head I think only Yordis Perera/Davciel Hurtado (missed 2023 due to injury) hail from Cuba (John Valle hails from Cuba but was drafted in the 2023 draft out of a Florida HS). I may be forgetting someone but the point remains
@mets have mostly stayed out of the Cuban market in recent seasons. Top of my head I think only Yordis Perera/Davciel Hurtado (missed 2023 due to injury) hail from Cuba (John Valle hails from Cuba but was drafted in the 2023 draft out of a Florida HS). I may be forgetting someone but the point remains
Jung Hoo Lee will presumably have many suitors but he'll only be 25 in 2024, can play all 3 OF positions, and of course, a Korean star in Flushing/Queens would have benefits as well. Have to believe he's on the Mets radar
Now that's a nickname- Lee's is "Grandson of the Wind", his father was a KBO star whose nickname was "Son of the Wind"
said when he was in AAA they were fed peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and given towels with holes in them for showers. The Wilpons cheapness knew no bounds lol.
Also interesting (to me) Masato Yoshii said in 1998
@BobbyValentine
asked him if he'd feel comfortable moving to the BP because Armando Reynoso was returning from a rehab assignment. Yoshii didn't feel comfortable and Valentine listened to him and moved to a 6-man rotation
or am i misremembering? that homer he hit yesterday was impressive in game power for a little guy. he's up to 36 xbh on the year in about 450 plate appearances, so he probably wont get to 50 but still a solid year given everything else he's showed (which is basically every other box).
RE: was bregman one of the hopeful comps when jett was drafted
or am i misremembering? that homer he hit yesterday was impressive in game power for a little guy. he's up to 36 xbh on the year in about 450 plate appearances, so he probably wont get to 50 but still a solid year given everything else he's showed (which is basically every other box).
Yeah, at least one of the writers compared him to Bregman
Should be interesting to see how Brendan Hardy fares in AA. He's not a hard-thrower but he's an A++ athlete who has only allowed 29 hits over the past 2 seasons 54.2 innings pitched with *85* k's
RE: RE: was bregman one of the hopeful comps when jett was drafted
or am i misremembering? that homer he hit yesterday was impressive in game power for a little guy. he's up to 36 xbh on the year in about 450 plate appearances, so he probably wont get to 50 but still a solid year given everything else he's showed (which is basically every other box).
Yeah, at least one of the writers compared him to Bregman
that would be a phenomenal outcome.
jett vs acuna is interesting, i think id still take the guy with the more explosive athleticism closer to the big leagues, but jett definitely has a path to being the better prospect if his power can surge past acuna's. right now both have almost the same total xbh on the year, but more than a year younger and only 1 level behind there is definitely a path.
next year should be a really fun one in the system. at least 5 guys with a legitimate claim to being the orgs top prospect post-mauricio all already posting well above average production at A+ and AA. 4/5 with a chance at premium positions.
Admittedly old for the DSL but Lucas Gordillo 1 inning 1 walk 2 k's, era now down to 1.36 over his first 33 professional innings. Walks are a concern (20) but he's also struck out 49 over that time
Ramirez with an "okay" overall season is finishing VERY strong. He's now 19/50 in August with 4 walks vs. 9 k's, 8 extra base hits, OPS for the month near 1.200
Ramirez with an "okay" overall season is finishing VERY strong. He's now 19/50 in August with 4 walks vs. 9 k's, 8 extra base hits, OPS for the month near 1.200
I think @mets roll the dice on leaving Jeremiah Jackson exposed in the Rule 5. Since joining the organization he's hitting .196/.317/.314 with a 32% k-rate. Still some intrigue with his power/speed tools but big league pitching (right now) likely would eat him alive
I think @mets roll the dice on leaving Jeremiah Jackson exposed in the Rule 5. Since joining the organization he's hitting .196/.317/.314 with a 32% k-rate. Still some intrigue with his power/speed tools but big league pitching (right now) likely would eat him alive
they may have enough spots they wont need to, but probably a big reason why they got him for leone in the first place.
I think @mets roll the dice on leaving Jeremiah Jackson exposed in the Rule 5. Since joining the organization he's hitting .196/.317/.314 with a 32% k-rate. Still some intrigue with his power/speed tools but big league pitching (right now) likely would eat him alive
they may have enough spots they wont need to, but probably a big reason why they got him for leone in the first place.
I'm the first one to talk about how much crap they have on the roster but keep in mind Edwin Diaz, Montes De Oca, Josh Walker (questionable) and Elieser Hernandez (unless they non-tender him) are all on the 60 day right now so those are more 40 man spots (+ Crow who will also be taking a "dead" spot). Jackson's overall wRC+ is now sub 100 and that's with repeating AA (87 games there last season). I'd be pretty surprised to see him added.
obviously a lock, Montes De Oca is a lock, I can't see them dropping Walker, I suspect Hernandez is non-tendered but if he's not he'd take a spot as well + Jarvis + Crow (locks)
+ Alex Ramirez (very possibly)
and then Daniel Juarez, Jordany Ventura, Luke Ritter, Carlos Cortes, Brandon McIIwain all possibilities. I think Jackson (struggling in AA) is very much on the outside looking in.
185 games (669 ab's) .229/.315/.417 191 k's, 79 walks. I'd be very surprised if the Mets add him at this point and if he's taken, I'd be shocked if he weren't returned.
Ramirez with an "okay" overall season is finishing VERY strong. He's now 19/50 in August with 4 walks vs. 9 k's, 8 extra base hits, OPS for the month near 1.200
I think @mets roll the dice on leaving Jeremiah Jackson exposed in the Rule 5. Since joining the organization he's hitting .196/.317/.314 with a 32% k-rate. Still some intrigue with his power/speed tools but big league pitching (right now) likely would eat him alive
they may have enough spots they wont need to, but probably a big reason why they got him for leone in the first place.
I'm the first one to talk about how much crap they have on the roster but keep in mind Edwin Diaz, Montes De Oca, Josh Walker (questionable) and Elieser Hernandez (unless they non-tender him) are all on the 60 day right now so those are more 40 man spots (+ Crow who will also be taking a "dead" spot). Jackson's overall wRC+ is now sub 100 and that's with repeating AA (87 games there last season). I'd be pretty surprised to see him added.
if you eyeball the 40 i think you will probably come to a similar number i came to of about 17 spots that can be cleared. so net out the 4 for the injured guys assuming they dont want to non-tender and there are still almost a dozen spots.
i think half of those will probably go to MLB players (2sp, at least 3 rps, maybe 1 veteran OF) so there are probably at least 6 spots for minor leaguers. jarvis, crow, ramirez i think are locks. and that's before trading anyone out.
i cant remember if ritter/mcillwain need to be protected and if so maybe they do them or cortes before jackson since they are all easy auditions for bad teams unlike jackson.
Hardy is also Rule 5 eligible and as a AA arm with a ton of minor league success if probably a guy teams are scouting hard over the final few weeks. 13.74 K/9 since OD 2022 with a 2.73 FIP (2nd best in the organization)
Ramirez with an "okay" overall season is finishing VERY strong. He's now 19/50 in August with 4 walks vs. 9 k's, 8 extra base hits, OPS for the month near 1.200
*Justin Ramirez
Scorching hot finish
Justin Ramirez 2-2 , single , HR , RBI, R
Make that 3-3.
Daniel Juarez (rule 5 eligible) since OD 2022 has held opposing hitters to a .161 BAA (2nd only to the aforementioned Brendan Hardy). He also leads the organization in whip (0.98), and is 6th in FIP (3.21) over that time
he feels like next year's big riser. before the pham trade i was hoping they'd get a comparable or better return than what they got for robertson, they only got one player instead of 2 but rodriguez has to be the organizations best bet to be next year's marco vargas. i dont know how different the dsl/fcl comp level is but he only just turned 17 years old last month. if comes anywhere close to a similar season next year he's going to get some helium.
stats mean next to nothing (I'm very high on Jeremy Rodriguez) but for context 11 players in the DSL have 1.000+ OPS, 18 players are hitting .330+, 89 (not a typo) have .400+ OBP (2 are over .500). Tons of players with huge walk rates, more walks than k's etc. A really bad season is a red flag, a good one is obviously better than struggling but doesn't tell us much. You have 21-22 year olds and 16 year olds playing together. Guys off the street (legitimately from workouts) playing in games.
stats mean next to nothing (I'm very high on Jeremy Rodriguez) but for context 11 players in the DSL have 1.000+ OPS, 18 players are hitting .330+, 89 (not a typo) have .400+ OBP (2 are over .500). Tons of players with huge walk rates, more walks than k's etc. A really bad season is a red flag, a good one is obviously better than struggling but doesn't tell us much. You have 21-22 year olds and 16 year olds playing together. Guys off the street (legitimately from workouts) playing in games.
the walk/k rates are what stand out for a player that young more than anything else. especially the trend we can see thanks to the deadline. he's walked more than twice as much as he's k'd since joining mets org. given that he's also a bonus baby we've got a few reasons to believe the talent is there.
stats mean next to nothing (I'm very high on Jeremy Rodriguez) but for context 11 players in the DSL have 1.000+ OPS, 18 players are hitting .330+, 89 (not a typo) have .400+ OBP (2 are over .500). Tons of players with huge walk rates, more walks than k's etc. A really bad season is a red flag, a good one is obviously better than struggling but doesn't tell us much. You have 21-22 year olds and 16 year olds playing together. Guys off the street (legitimately from workouts) playing in games.
the walk/k rates are what stand out for a player that young more than anything else. especially the trend we can see thanks to the deadline. he's walked more than twice as much as he's k'd since joining mets org. given that he's also a bonus baby we've got a few reasons to believe the talent is there.
Even then, the walk rates in the DSL are absurd. 24 players have walked at least 20% of their ab's this season, 53 players have walked at least as many times as they have struck out.
year old Yerlin Luis (Guardians) 121 ab's 53 walks (not a typo)
Luis Lameda (17, Brewers) 141 ab's 35 walks, 20 k's
When I say DSL numbers tell us little to nothing, it's the truth. It's essentially a rec league that has players who who landed 3 million dollar bonuses against players who were part of open workouts.
all I can tell you is teams/prospect writers view DSL stats as mostly meaningless. Yankees SS prospect Roderick Arias hit .194 and he still had MAJOR helium (143 wRC+ this season in the CPX).
is still a good thing. the numerical value of the dsl aside, here's a question that will hopefully articulate my point - is there anything in rodriguez' DSL season that looks less promising than Vargas' 2022 DSL season?
obviously we are talking about players at ages that make their volatility extreme, but that's kind of the point.
all I can tell you is teams/prospect writers view DSL stats as mostly meaningless. Yankees SS prospect Roderick Arias hit .194 and he still had MAJOR helium (143 wRC+ this season in the CPX).
we need to hold more than one thought at the same time here - guys getting $1m bonuses isn't meaningless. performing as the youngest in a league isn't meaningless. the numbers of that league may be meaningless but his numbers were not my point.
the numbers in the league only mattered as far as comparing to vargas' numbers being similar in that same league, and that rodriguez seems to have improved over the year in something that is considered highly skill based (his k/walk ratio). that's the entire premise of DRC.
Vargas prove my point? 139 wRC+, .319/.421/.456 last season and despite that, Keith Law didn't even have him in his top *20* Marlins prospects in Feb. Only after he started hitting stateside did he suddenly garner buzz. That was a big part of the narrative, how his "ranking" at the time of the trade didn't represent the helium he had from his 2023 performance.
year for Mets pitchers injury wise. Top 2 IFA signings got hurt (Hurtado/Lugo), now Scott, Dominguez/Ross had setbacks and didn't pitch, Ziegler didn't pitch, Luis Rodriguez and Atencio hurt, Ramon Gomez TJ, Matt Allan with his second tj
year for Mets pitchers injury wise. Top 2 IFA signings got hurt (Hurtado/Lugo), now Scott, Dominguez/Ross had setbacks and didn't pitch, Ziegler didn't pitch, Luis Rodriguez and Atencio hurt, Ramon Gomez TJ, Matt Allan with his second tj
Forgot Crow/Marceaux. Also Montes De Oca (2nd TJ) Crow was already damaged goods so he probably shouldn't be listed here but still.
Vargas prove my point? 139 wRC+, .319/.421/.456 last season and despite that, Keith Law didn't even have him in his top *20* Marlins prospects in Feb. Only after he started hitting stateside did he suddenly garner buzz. That was a big part of the narrative, how his "ranking" at the time of the trade didn't represent the helium he had from his 2023 performance.
no Dan that is the exact point!
how many DSL guys ever get in any teams top 20 while they are in the DSL? honestly asking, my guess is very few unless they got $2m+ bonuses and were top IFAs who had reputations from before they got signed. Mets gave Daiverson, Larez, and Baptist more than Rodriguez got, none of them are in the pipeline top 30 (nor Rodriguez).
Marco Vargas when acquired this year was still considered a high variance lotto ticket since he's only playing FCL. of course a full level below that and not even stateside is an even bigger variance lotto ticket. rodriguez is one of the youngest players in the league, has had a good year that's trending even better, nobody has a crystal ball but he seems like the mets best bet to have a good year in fcl next year like vargas this year.
when you are trading rentals like Pham (and Robertson) the only way to get upside is by targeting players very far away. the farther away they are the higher the variance though (both good and bad). the guy literally only turned 17 last month and he seems to be outplaying a bunch of guys the mets bonused 1m+ in the last few IFA classes. he is almost a year younger than daiverson and baptist, 6 months younger than larez. outperforming what juan/fanas did in dsl.
Vargas prove my point? 139 wRC+, .319/.421/.456 last season and despite that, Keith Law didn't even have him in his top *20* Marlins prospects in Feb. Only after he started hitting stateside did he suddenly garner buzz. That was a big part of the narrative, how his "ranking" at the time of the trade didn't represent the helium he had from his 2023 performance.
no Dan that is the exact point!
how many DSL guys ever get in any teams top 20 while they are in the DSL? honestly asking, my guess is very few unless they got $2m+ bonuses and were top IFAs who had reputations from before they got signed. Mets gave Daiverson, Larez, and Baptist more than Rodriguez got, none of them are in the pipeline top 30 (nor Rodriguez).
Marco Vargas when acquired this year was still considered a high variance lotto ticket since he's only playing FCL. of course a full level below that and not even stateside is an even bigger variance lotto ticket. rodriguez is one of the youngest players in the league, has had a good year that's trending even better, nobody has a crystal ball but he seems like the mets best bet to have a good year in fcl next year like vargas this year.
when you are trading rentals like Pham (and Robertson) the only way to get upside is by targeting players very far away. the farther away they are the higher the variance though (both good and bad). the guy literally only turned 17 last month and he seems to be outplaying a bunch of guys the mets bonused 1m+ in the last few IFA classes. he is almost a year younger than daiverson and baptist, 6 months younger than larez. outperforming what juan/fanas did in dsl.
Eric,
I'm not really clear what me saying DSL numbers have proven to show little to nothing and teams and writers don't bother with them has to do with Rodriguez potentially being a really strong return for Pham? Jeffrey Paternostro does this for a living and flat out said in his Vargas blurb that DSL numbers don't tell us much but when Vargas came stateside and continues hitting they began to take notice did he not?
and Fanas are looking (right now) like sunk costs. Fanas is 2 months younger than Jett Williams and has thickened up to the point what was once plus speed is probably below average or near it.
Fanas or Juan show up on any Mets prospect lists (and I'm talking deep lists, like 40 deep) it will be 99% because of the bonuses they received and in Juan's case "well, he's still young". All things considered the Mets recent "big" IFA's who have come stateside have not had a good seasons.
Alex Ramirez
Willy Fanas
Simon Juan
Jesus Baez
Dangelo Sarmiento
Daiverson Gutierrez
year for Mets pitchers injury wise. Top 2 IFA signings got hurt (Hurtado/Lugo), now Scott, Dominguez/Ross had setbacks and didn't pitch, Ziegler didn't pitch, Luis Rodriguez and Atencio hurt, Ramon Gomez TJ, Matt Allan with his second tj
Forgot Crow/Marceaux. Also Montes De Oca (2nd TJ) Crow was already damaged goods so he probably shouldn't be listed here but still.
so you agree with my point when jeff says it? i think this was literally the blurb re vargas that triggered in my head when i mentioned rodriguez because you can literally put his name in this with the only possible addition being a mention that he was also a bonus baby (which vargas was not).
(im assuming the lack of present physicality based on his age)
so you agree with my point when jeff says it? i think this was literally the blurb re vargas that triggered in my head when i mentioned rodriguez because you can literally put his name in this with the only possible addition being a mention that he was also a bonus baby (which vargas was not).
(im assuming the lack of present physicality based on his age)
Vargas prove my point? 139 wRC+, .319/.421/.456 last season and despite that, Keith Law didn't even have him in his top *20* Marlins prospects in Feb. Only after he started hitting stateside did he suddenly garner buzz. That was a big part of the narrative, how his "ranking" at the time of the trade didn't represent the helium he had from his 2023 performance.
no Dan that is the exact point!
how many DSL guys ever get in any teams top 20 while they are in the DSL? honestly asking, my guess is very few unless they got $2m+ bonuses and were top IFAs who had reputations from before they got signed. Mets gave Daiverson, Larez, and Baptist more than Rodriguez got, none of them are in the pipeline top 30 (nor Rodriguez).
Marco Vargas when acquired this year was still considered a high variance lotto ticket since he's only playing FCL. of course a full level below that and not even stateside is an even bigger variance lotto ticket. rodriguez is one of the youngest players in the league, has had a good year that's trending even better, nobody has a crystal ball but he seems like the mets best bet to have a good year in fcl next year like vargas this year.
when you are trading rentals like Pham (and Robertson) the only way to get upside is by targeting players very far away. the farther away they are the higher the variance though (both good and bad). the guy literally only turned 17 last month and he seems to be outplaying a bunch of guys the mets bonused 1m+ in the last few IFA classes. he is almost a year younger than daiverson and baptist, 6 months younger than larez. outperforming what juan/fanas did in dsl.
Eric,
I'm not really clear what me saying DSL numbers have proven to show little to nothing and teams and writers don't bother with them has to do with Rodriguez potentially being a really strong return for Pham? Jeffrey Paternostro does this for a living and flat out said in his Vargas blurb that DSL numbers don't tell us much but when Vargas came stateside and continues hitting they began to take notice did he not?
you need to reread my initial post. the comp level difference of the dsl and fcl was only a tangential question, both are obviously very far from queens. whether one is the moon and the other is mars, it doesn't really matter.
he feels like next year's big riser. before the pham trade i was hoping they'd get a comparable or better return than what they got for robertson, they only got one player instead of 2 but rodriguez has to be the organizations best bet to be next year's marco vargas. i dont know how different the dsl/fcl comp level is but he only just turned 17 years old last month. if comes anywhere close to a similar season next year he's going to get some helium.
my entire point was that he looks like the organizations best bet to be next year's marco vargas, who i think you'd agree was probably one of the biggest risers on all the prospect lists this year? as you mentioned he went from not even being on organization top 20 lists to getting top 50 overall consideration.
quite literally have to search around for players who put up huge numbers in the DSL who are now top prospects. I've been clicking around for a few minutes and the only name I've seen is 2018 Julio Rodriguez. Here is the link, click through the years and honestly tell me you see a correlation between DSL numbers and future success Link - ( New Window )
may or may not be the next Marco Vargas (he's been excellent so far) but it's just as possible/likely a guy like Larez or Baptist gets stronger and/or cuts down their k's and becomes a player. It's mostly guesswork at 17-18 with players agreeing to deals as young as 14 (as 2025 Mets pick Elian Pena has rumored to have done). Julio Zayas signed for 10,000 this year. he's hitting .307/.368/.517 with 7 homers, 7.4% walk rate, 12.9% BB rate and is a 17 year old catcher and I can damn near guarantee you won't see him popping up on lists thanks to DSL performance.
so you agree with my point when jeff says it? i think this was literally the blurb re vargas that triggered in my head when i mentioned rodriguez because you can literally put his name in this with the only possible addition being a mention that he was also a bonus baby (which vargas was not).
(im assuming the lack of present physicality based on his age)
So... DSL stats don't mean much is.... accurate?
oh hey look a pedantic strawman! let me do you a few better, FCL stats don't mean much!
and low A ball stats only mean slightly more than that.
and brooklyn stats only slightly more.
and bing stats only slightly more.
and as we've seen with Baty and Vientos difficult transitions at age 23, if you get to AAA and rake it doesn't mean all that much in relation to MLB.
players play the level they are at. if they play better than the other players at that level, that's good. if they are younger than the other players that's even better. nothing is ever guaranteed with prospects in any sport but being productive (and having been thought well enough to get paid big bonuses or drafted high) are better than the alternatives.
may or may not be the next Marco Vargas (he's been excellent so far) but it's just as possible/likely a guy like Larez or Baptist gets stronger and/or cuts down their k's and becomes a player. It's mostly guesswork at 17-18 with players agreeing to deals as young as 14 (as 2025 Mets pick Elian Pena has rumored to have done). Julio Zayas signed for 10,000 this year. he's hitting .307/.368/.517 with 7 homers, 7.4% walk rate, 12.9% BB rate and is a 17 year old catcher and I can damn near guarantee you won't see him popping up on lists thanks to DSL performance.
of course it's guesswork.
here's a simple question, if you had to pick 1 guy in the org to be next year's marco vargas who would you pick?
Do you expect to see Julio Zayas pop up on the Mets top 30 going into next season? Why not? He's 17 with a .412 wOBA and a catcher. I gave you the link, click around the leaders through the last 5-6 seasons, how many recognizable names do you see that are now considered top prospects? And we know top prospects continue to come out of LA, so what does this tell us? It suggests the numbers in the DSL aren't a good gauge does it not?
may or may not be the next Marco Vargas (he's been excellent so far) but it's just as possible/likely a guy like Larez or Baptist gets stronger and/or cuts down their k's and becomes a player. It's mostly guesswork at 17-18 with players agreeing to deals as young as 14 (as 2025 Mets pick Elian Pena has rumored to have done). Julio Zayas signed for 10,000 this year. he's hitting .307/.368/.517 with 7 homers, 7.4% walk rate, 12.9% BB rate and is a 17 year old catcher and I can damn near guarantee you won't see him popping up on lists thanks to DSL performance.
of course it's guesswork.
here's a simple question, if you had to pick 1 guy in the org to be next year's marco vargas who would you pick?
Probably Anthony Baptist. Strong bat to ball skills, 60 runner, wiry build with some pop but I'll just as easily believe he absolutely stinks next season.
Do you expect to see Julio Zayas pop up on the Mets top 30 going into next season? Why not? He's 17 with a .412 wOBA and a catcher. I gave you the link, click around the leaders through the last 5-6 seasons, how many recognizable names do you see that are now considered top prospects? And we know top prospects continue to come out of LA, so what does this tell us? It suggests the numbers in the DSL aren't a good gauge does it not?
you keep ignoring the context i've pointed out over and over again apart from the DSL stats themselves.
i cant find the # but i think julio zayas got less than a 100k bonus. the mets didn't trade a player who was supposedly in demand at the deadline for zayas (meaning presumably the mets chose rodriguez over other players offered by arizona and other teams). the fact that the mets chose rodriguez as the player they acquired for pham tells us that they like him, it may even tell us they like him more than say jarvis since pham probably had more value than canha. we also heard rumors that the az scouts were disappointed to give him up. and the mets really liked him as an IFA last year.
none of that means zayas cant be good it's just information we dont have apart on zayas from stats that we do have on rodriguez. and in the case of the bonus $ its significantly less favorable for zayas.
you think the Mets liked Simon Juan and Willy Fanas before him? Or Gutierrez? Or any of the numbers of other IFA's they have signed? If Rodriguez were doing this stateside, they wouldn't have had any chance at him for a rental of Tommy Pham and wouldn't have a 35+ FV on Fangraphs. They made a very good/smart trade (which I have praised since day one) but the numbers just don't mean very much grand scheme. DSL production does not have a correlation to future success, even in the lower minors. That's my one and only point.
17.8 % BB rate, 20.8% K rate, 11 extra base hits, 11 steals through 31 games, 138 wRC+. Gun to my head probably him.
ok well i dont know where to find dsl splits if fangraphs doesnt have them, but this is just a hunch, if we went back 31 games on rodriguez ill bet his k/bb rates are closer to what they are in the 12 games as a met than the season average. i dont think players just overnight started walking twice as much as they k. its obviously sss but that's a skill thing more an inflated batting average bc of a few hits dropping in for a high babip.
rodriguez' 12 games as a met are a 12% higher walk rate (20%), 60% lower k-rate (8%), 7 xbh, and 5 steals.
stats aside striking out less, walking more, hitting the ball harder are good things to trend for a player who again only just turned 17 last month.
again I ask, if it mattered much, why aren't the DSL leader boards littered with a who's who of top players who have come from Latin America? Wouldn't it make sense to see a ton of top names?
you think the Mets liked Simon Juan and Willy Fanas before him? Or Gutierrez? Or any of the numbers of other IFA's they have signed? If Rodriguez were doing this stateside, they wouldn't have had any chance at him for a rental of Tommy Pham and wouldn't have a 35+ FV on Fangraphs. They made a very good/smart trade (which I have praised since day one) but the numbers just don't mean very much grand scheme. DSL production does not have a correlation to future success, even in the lower minors. That's my one and only point.
and it has never been my one and only point, which is why ive called it a strawman.
a couple days ago id asked you if rodriguez was outplaying the 3 bonus babies from the met class, you said yes. which i think i said at the time seemed notable since he's the youngest of the 4 and as you mentioned they all got more $ than him.
today i looked at his numbers relative to vargas' in the dsl (first time i did that) and noticed that they were mostly better - and specifically trending much better because unlike any other player in the DSL (including vargas last year) i havent seen a site that tracks splits but Rodriguez' splits are captured thanks to the trade. also first time i looked to compare rodriguez' age this year to vargas' age in the dsl last year, comparatively he's a little younger than vargas was.
all of that led me to say that i think he's the mets best candidate to be next year's vargas - which was my point. none of that was a specific commentary on the dsl statistically or as a league. that's just where rodriguez is now and vargas was last year. it's also by no means a sure thing. i only heard the guys name for the first time 3 weeks ago. any of last year's 3 bonus babies or zayas or simon juan could be better prospects. someone could come out of nowhere from a tiny 17k bonus like vargas did. if any of us actually knew for sure we'd be employed by the mlb teams spending tens of millions of dollars trying to figure that out bc they still get it wrong more often than not.
Mets probably need to address their IFA scouting department. While bonuses only mean so much, having the top guys immediately struggle (Fanas/Juan/Gutierrez), it's not a great sign and in Fanas case, he's pushing 20 years old.
is hitting .186/.321/.244, can't just hand wave that away because he's "only" going to be 18 next month, they have to be disappointed with his debut. They have never had a 7 figure guy repeat the DSL (and they may not with him) but I'm sure it's a consideration.
again I ask, if it mattered much, why aren't the DSL leader boards littered with a who's who of top players who have come from Latin America? Wouldn't it make sense to see a ton of top names?
it doesn't matter at all, it's just where these kids who are signed out of latin america are playing as a first step before some get selected to move stateside. you are trying to draw a correlation from a league whose participants are probably 90%+ a result of geography? that's a total guess but if i were guessing about my guess im probably low.
again I ask, if it mattered much, why aren't the DSL leader boards littered with a who's who of top players who have come from Latin America? Wouldn't it make sense to see a ton of top names?
it doesn't matter at all, it's just where these kids who are signed out of latin america are playing as a first step before some get selected to move stateside. you are trying to draw a correlation from a league whose participants are probably 90%+ a result of geography? that's a total guess but if i were guessing about my guess im probably low.
Doesn't matter at all? Why wouldn't we see a plethora of "known" big names if we looked at the DSL leaderboards through recent history? Why wouldn't "the best of the best" put up big numbers in the DSL if the correlation were there?
Mets probably need to address their IFA scouting department. While bonuses only mean so much, having the top guys immediately struggle (Fanas/Juan/Gutierrez), it's not a great sign and in Fanas case, he's pushing 20 years old.
if you look at it this seems to be a post-covid issue.
up to 2019 they had signed gimenez in 2015, alvarez 2017, mauricio 2018, and ramirez 2019. rosario was 2012.
2020 got postponed due to covid and everything after has been a disappointment. also had 4 different GMs since 2019 so maybe just part of that breakage.
17 year old Aron Estrada 178 wRC+ (5th in the league), 16.7% walk rate/13.2% K rate, came into 2023 *unranked* by fangraphs on the Orioles top 38
2022
17 year old Reylin Perez 176 wRC+ (Tigers #18 prospect)
2022
17 year old Carlos Sanchez 169 wRC+ (unranked in the Reds top 38)
17 year old Enmanuel Tejeda 162 wRC+ (Yankees #28 prospect)
These were the top performing 17 year olds in the DSL last season. What does that tell us about how DSL numbers are viewed? Do you think Eric Longenhagen is just putting his head in the sand? or more likely the view is, there isn't a ton to be learned fromt hese numbers.
again I ask, if it mattered much, why aren't the DSL leader boards littered with a who's who of top players who have come from Latin America? Wouldn't it make sense to see a ton of top names?
it doesn't matter at all, it's just where these kids who are signed out of latin america are playing as a first step before some get selected to move stateside. you are trying to draw a correlation from a league whose participants are probably 90%+ a result of geography? that's a total guess but if i were guessing about my guess im probably low.
Doesn't matter at all? Why wouldn't we see a plethora of "known" big names if we looked at the DSL leaderboards through recent history? Why wouldn't "the best of the best" put up big numbers in the DSL if the correlation were there?
here's an analogy on the correlation you are suggesting.
why aren't we seeing a correlation between the best readers at our local elementary school and nobel prize winners?
the vast majority of players in the DSL are there bc they are a certain age, from latin america. same as the vast majority are in a local public school because they are a certain age and from a certain geography. some public schools are great, some arent, and for most they are there because there isn't another choice.
going stateside is like getting into a good prep school. the odds for those selected and who perform will go up. A/A+ ball is like college right? which is why the draft picks go there first usually. AA and AAA are like post-grad. this is so stupidly basic and anyone who follows prospects knows the higher the level the better the odds and vice versa.
we also know to be truly special at the MLB level its like doing quantum physics with a blindfold on while riding a tilt a whirl after eating 3 funnel cakes and shotgunning 4 beers. there are only a handful of julio rodriguez on the planet at any moment in time who can do that, so sorry if im not shocked there aren't more of them in the DSL when that's only a subset of all prospects since HS and college prospects dont go there.
Mets probably need to address their IFA scouting department. While bonuses only mean so much, having the top guys immediately struggle (Fanas/Juan/Gutierrez), it's not a great sign and in Fanas case, he's pushing 20 years old.
if you look at it this seems to be a post-covid issue.
up to 2019 they had signed gimenez in 2015, alvarez 2017, mauricio 2018, and ramirez 2019. rosario was 2012.
2020 got postponed due to covid and everything after has been a disappointment. also had 4 different GMs since 2019 so maybe just part of that breakage.
Last few (2021 was the year they spread it around so no big name)
2021-Yohairo Cuevas (500K) not much of a prospect
Gustavo Marquez (released)
Sebastian Castro (injured)
Ellian Nunez 6.27 era in the DSL
Diego Mosquera (solid season, utility player upside)
2022
Simon Juan (1.9 million) 92 career games .218/.303/.315 (still only 18 but no mention on any recent prospect lists)
Willy Fanas 1.5 million 1.5 million 70 career games .255/.326/.375 (20 in January)
Dangelo Sarimento (700K) .257/.351/.331 (19 in January)
Jesus Baez 275 K .231/.330/.3478 (19 in February)
Yonatan Henriquez 100K .231/.369/.306 (19 in October)
2023
Daiverson Guitterez 1.9 million .186/.321/.244 (18 next month)
Cristopher Larez 1.5 million .274/.351/.405 (18 in January, missed the second half with a leg injury)
Anthony Baptist 1.1 million .277/.423/.465 (18 in October)
Mets probably need to address their IFA scouting department. While bonuses only mean so much, having the top guys immediately struggle (Fanas/Juan/Gutierrez), it's not a great sign and in Fanas case, he's pushing 20 years old.
I wonder how much is affected by the use and work with analytics in the system now? Soe growing and flourishing as the season went on, some struggling with it.
the vast majority of big bonus IFA players see time in the DSL. I just posted the Mets last 3 IFA top bonus names and every one of them started their careers in the DSL.
2023 top bonuses
Salas a true phenom, already in AA 5.6 million
Celesten 4.7 million, assigned to the DSL injured for the entire season
Mayea 4.4 million (in the DSL-Yankees)
Bonilla 4.1 million (in the DSL- Blue Jays)
Brailer Guerrero 3.7 million (DSL Rays)
Alfredo Duno DSL Reds
“They’d be a Top 10 system if they had better pitching,” said Jim Callis, one of the MLB Pipeline's analysts.
To which a rival team executive added:
“If the Mets are going to contend in the next couple of years they’re going to have to find a way to acquire pitching to supplement what’s in their system.”
“I think what the Mets did was smart,” said Callis. “You would have preferred to get some pitching but if you try and force it you end up making lesser trades. Acuna and Gilbert are Top 100 prospects, and some of the Astros’ people think Clifford is a better prospect than Gilbert.
“So if you put Clifford in there too, I know from ranking systems that when you get two or three Top 100 prospects, that can have a huge impact.”
Others temper such optimism to some extent.
Law says Gilbert “can really play center field so he’ll definitely be a big-leaguer, but he’s probably a lower-ceiling guy overall.”
As for Acuna, Law says, “He should be a good big-leaguer for a long time but I don’t think he’s a star. He’s not Ronald.”
Whatever the ceilings of the new acquisitions, the depth could be especially valuable considering the Mets already have other highly-touted position-player prospects such as Ronny Mauricio, Jett Williams, Kevin Parada, and 2023 first-round pick Colin Houck, a high school shortstop that Callis called “a steal” at pick No. 32 for the Mets.
Callis said Houck slipped in the draft because more good college hitters were available than usual, stemming from that five-round draft in the Covid year of 2020, which forced more high school players than usual to play in college, and many teams seized on that opportunity.
In any case, add those prospects to rookies Francisco Alvarez, Brett Baty (“He’ll hit eventually,” said Law, speaking to Baty’s recent demotion to Triple-A), and Mark Vientos, and the Mets have plenty of flexibility to trade for pitching at some point.
the vast majority of big bonus IFA players see time in the DSL. I just posted the Mets last 3 IFA top bonus names and every one of them started their careers in the DSL.
2023 top bonuses
Salas a true phenom, already in AA 5.6 million
Celesten 4.7 million, assigned to the DSL injured for the entire season
Mayea 4.4 million (in the DSL-Yankees)
Bonilla 4.1 million (in the DSL- Blue Jays)
Brailer Guerrero 3.7 million (DSL Rays)
Alfredo Duno DSL Reds
you have to remember there are more prospects from draft than IFA.
this year's total draft pool leaugewide was $307m.
IFA's are what $5-6m per team, so probably about half that amount in total?
so if there are let's say 15 super stars at any moment in time in the mlb, 10 of them should probably be from draft and 5 from IFA, and they may all be spread from different draft classes/IFA classes.
“I don’t do comps very often but when I watch Mauricio I can’t help but think he could be Alfonso Soriano. He has enough bat speed, he’s enough of a bad-ball hitter, and he has the same wiry strength, the same super-quick wrists. Soriano surprised a lot of people by having a really good career, and it makes me look at Mauricio this way," Law said.
“It’s possible his lack of plate discipline will catch up with him, but why hasn’t he been called up? It’s okay if he struggles. At this point he’s not going to get any better in Triple-A and you can’t protect him forever. If he comes up and gets exposed then it’s on him to make the adjustment, with help from the coaching staff. If he can’t make the adjustment, then you know.”
A scout I spoke to agrees about Mauricio.
“If they’re thinking maybe he has more value as a trade piece before he plays in the big leagues, I don’t buy it,” said the scout. “Everybody has the same reports on him, the concerns about chasing out of the strike zone.
“Mauricio is at the point where the only way to create more value is calling him up and hoping he has the athleticism and enough strike-zone awareness to show he can hit big league pitching. If so they have to decide if he’s worth more playing another position (other than his natural shortstop) or as a trade piece for pitching.”
IFA draft pool in 2023 was 166.7 million not including players who were signed for 10K or less.
exactly. so now lets finish the exercise, 15 most valuable players on fg right now:
Betts - draft
Ohtani - japan
Acuna - IFA, venezuala, skipped dsl
Freeman - draft
Lindor - draft
Robert - cuban IFA, played dsl
Witt - draft
Julio - big bonus IFA, played dsl
Semian - draft
Franco - top IFA but debuted stateside
Olson - draft
Kim - korea
Garcia - cuba
Tucker - draft
Carroll - draft
almost exactly the right % split since we didn't factor in veteran international free agents from other countries.
using these top 15 isn't the best way to do this since the odds of any player being this good are low, but it shows why the resources are distributed the way that they are between draft and IFAs.
Why are we only using the top *15* players in baseball? The DSL leader boards should be littered with players who went on to become very good/top prospects, they don’t necessarily have to actually become good players (that’s just how prospects work) but where are all of the big IFa performers who became “known” prospects? Top 100 prospects? Shouldn’t we see a bunch of names we recognize? And I’m not the usual fan in terms of the minors and I can honestly it’s mostly “who?” Going back 6-7-8 years of league leaders.
DSL performance tells us “X”, shouldn’t we see a high number of DSL “top performers” at least becoming good “prospects”? Prospects people have heard of?
Wild Keith Law sticking with his Mauricio/Soriano comps and still ranking the Mets system no better than 16. Granted, that just suggests he likes their other prospects less than some others but that’s out there.
Why are we only using the top *15* players in baseball? The DSL leader boards should be littered with players who went on to become very good/top prospects, they don’t necessarily have to actually become good players (that’s just how prospects work) but where are all of the big IFa performers who became “known” prospects? Top 100 prospects? Shouldn’t we see a bunch of names we recognize? And I’m not the usual fan in terms of the minors and I can honestly it’s mostly “who?” Going back 6-7-8 years of league leaders.
bc im spending the time to go through 100 players and tabulating it. feel free you would prob be better at knowing at a glance who goes in which category, there are 108 players worth more than 1 fwar right now.
my guess is the %'s hold up similarly and continue to track the $ distribution, which would mean there are probably 20-30 IFAs on that list, not all of whom played DSL, and for those that did they probably played in the DSL at different times. so in any single season there were probably 1-3 eventual every day big leaguers.
random but kind of crazy there are 138 total qualifiers on fg
Does big leaguers have to do with it? There are in any given year 150-200 “top 100 prospecrs” (different websites, different writers) and most of those names are recognizable. That’s not how it shakes out when you look at DSL leader boards historically. Top performers don’t equate with really ever becoming “known” prospects let alone performing stateside. You’ll notice you almost never see a player ascend to top prospect or (even close) status because they were so outstanding in the DSL. I doubt a single DSL top performer cracks a single “major”
Top 100 list unless somebody is trying to be cute with some HUGE bonus like Mayea. If there was a correlation, don’t you think we’d see DSL top performers making these lists frequently? There will undoubtedly be multiple 2023 HS draftees making lists going into next season (and that’s without “professional” games played like the DSL kids)
I just spoke to doesn’t think they protect Jackson. Too much swing and miss for a team to profile him as 2024 ready and he’s not an asset in the field. “I’d be very surprised. Mets did well getting anything resembling a prospect for Leone but he’s a 40 hit tool guy, no problem betting on athletes but not the kind of player teams covet in the Rule 5”
Does big leaguers have to do with it? There are in any given year 150-200 “top 100 prospecrs” (different websites, different writers) and most of those names are recognizable. That’s not how it shakes out when you look at DSL leader boards historically. Top performers don’t equate with really ever becoming “known” prospects let alone performing stateside. You’ll notice you almost never see a player ascend to top prospect or (even close) status because they were so outstanding in the DSL. I doubt a single DSL top performer cracks a single “major”
Top 100 list unless somebody is trying to be cute with some HUGE bonus like Mayea. If there was a correlation, don’t you think we’d see DSL top performers making these lists frequently? There will undoubtedly be multiple 2023 HS draftees making lists going into next season (and that’s without “professional” games played like the DSL kids)
this really isnt that complicated dan.
top hs kids play in tournaments, games on tv, and all the all star circuits. they are scouted and offered by college programs. prospect writers see them, meet them, scout them.
ifa's are literally in another country, playing in places nobody sees in person or probably even on video except teams who have professional scouts and who pay for complexes there. it is the freaking dark web just to figure out who he is signing where. other than the crazy phenoms everyone hears about they arent going to get ranked until they do something stateside where people are actually seeing them (including the team's scouts who are stateside).
“Going to be honest, you know I’m not a Vientos guy, but whatever they are doing with Mauricio is odd, seems like they are paralyzed by too many people involved in some of their decisions with these kids. Spoke to a team that liked Mauricio more than some and they liked him as a multi-position player whose bat you got into the lineup vs. a true regular. If that’s the case, why not use August/September to see what that looks like? How he responds to that? Quite frankly, this idea they are going to hide a players flaws may have been a thing years ago, but teams don’t even need scouts on the ground! With milb.tv airing most games, teams have even more access/data than ever before.
Does big leaguers have to do with it? There are in any given year 150-200 “top 100 prospecrs” (different websites, different writers) and most of those names are recognizable. That’s not how it shakes out when you look at DSL leader boards historically. Top performers don’t equate with really ever becoming “known” prospects let alone performing stateside. You’ll notice you almost never see a player ascend to top prospect or (even close) status because they were so outstanding in the DSL. I doubt a single DSL top performer cracks a single “major”
Top 100 list unless somebody is trying to be cute with some HUGE bonus like Mayea. If there was a correlation, don’t you think we’d see DSL top performers making these lists frequently? There will undoubtedly be multiple 2023 HS draftees making lists going into next season (and that’s without “professional” games played like the DSL kids)
this really isnt that complicated dan.
top hs kids play in tournaments, games on tv, and all the all star circuits. they are scouted and offered by college programs. prospect writers see them, meet them, scout them.
ifa's are literally in another country, playing in places nobody sees in person or probably even on video except teams who have professional scouts and who pay for complexes there. it is the freaking dark web just to figure out who he is signing where. other than the crazy phenoms everyone hears about they arent going to get ranked until they do something stateside where people are actually seeing them (including the team's scouts who are stateside).
So if the top performers in the DSL routinely became top performers stateside and/or top prospects on this wouldn’t be represented both on current lists and a who’s who of good players? If anything, wouldn’t writers just look at top performers and say “well most of these top DSL performers do well here so…”
is probably boring everyone so this will likely be my final statement on this unless it's abundantly necessary to respond. I can definitely state that teams/writers don't think much of publicly available statistics of DSL players (good or bad). Teams are looking at frame, batted ball data, arm velocity, athleticism, ability to barrel. Mets have a kid Branny De Oleo (really nice season .313/.403/.476), I asked about him (keep in mind this is a guy slugging .476) "he's physically weak, has to get stronger to have any chance to drive the ball once he gets stateside" and that's unarguably a nice stat line.
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I will clear up any misperception about Tommy Pham. He was a great guy and a terrific teammate. He played his heart out as a Met
you realize just based on the math, every league farther down is going to have a smaller % of top prospects and smaller % of players that work out right? like there are a lot of guys in A ball who will never be good enough for even AA or AAA, so they don't get there and it's a smaller universe as you go up.
again no offense intended but your arguments are all over the place to basically say that DSL is the riskiest league - which is as obvious as water is wet. it is the farthest from big leagues, youngest prospects, and all teenage IFAs which is a much riskier subgroup than drafted players or veteran IFAs.
but it does happen - looking back the same year the mets gave mauricio 2m the mariners gave jrod 1.75m both dominican. Jrod debuted in the DSL in 2018 with a triple slash of .315/.404/.525 for a 160 rc while mauricio skipped the dsl and went stateside in 2018 at age 17. rodriguez blew up A ball in 2019 as an 18 year old and got himself unanimous top prospect status pre-2020. mauricio did well enough stateside that he cracked baseball america's top 100 list pre-2019 as a 17 year old, ahead of j-rod even though j-rod was clearly the more talented player. he just didnt get recognized as quickly because he came over stateside a year later.
so as fun as all of this has been i think we are back to where we were at the beginning. i think the mets new jrod has the best chance of being next year's vargas for all the reasons mentioned. you can continue arguing against the dsl but it's meaningless. nobody would disagree that out of every single minor league level there is it's the lowest/riskiest because there is literally no lower level.
"The prospect who may be closest to the big leagues is 6-foot-5 right-hander Mike Vasil, who recently took a no-hitter into the ninth inning of a Triple-A start but otherwise has largely struggled in ten starts at Syracuse after having success at Double-A this season."
Last 5 starts 3.21 era and going back as far as July 3rd (8 starts) 3.81 era over 40.2 innings 34 hits 18 walks 40 k's. So yeah, he was awful in June (10.24 era) he hasn't largely struggled at all.
is probably boring everyone so this will likely be my final statement on this unless it's abundantly necessary to respond. I can definitely state that teams/writers don't think much of publicly available statistics of DSL players (good or bad). Teams are looking at frame, batted ball data, arm velocity, athleticism, ability to barrel. Mets have a kid Branny De Oleo (really nice season .313/.403/.476), I asked about him (keep in mind this is a guy slugging .476) "he's physically weak, has to get stronger to have any chance to drive the ball once he gets stateside" and that's unarguably a nice stat line.
i agree this is boring and going nowhere, but i dont understand why you keep using the strawman that i am just cherry picking a statline from the DSL. that is just like mildly an offensive suggestion at this point. even if he were hitting off a tee in a batting cage or in the california penal league he is notable based on the fact that he is one of the small handful of IFA's who got a million dollar bonus.
yes players can really pop (see paul skenes) but looking at this group it is pretty weak the guys they are talking about going top 5 might not crack the top 10 last year and last year you got top 15 value picking at 30 so it was not only incredibly strong in the top 5 it was very deep thru 40 - so while I hope the Mets get a lottery pick it is unlikely to be a real stud.
RE: FYI There is no comparison between this years draft and next years
yes players can really pop (see paul skenes) but looking at this group it is pretty weak the guys they are talking about going top 5 might not crack the top 10 last year and last year you got top 15 value picking at 30 so it was not only incredibly strong in the top 5 it was very deep thru 40 - so while I hope the Mets get a lottery pick it is unlikely to be a real stud.
The Mets having a top 6 pick is more about having the draft pool money available than the drop from say 7 or 8 to 17-18. From 8 to 18 based on 2023's pool #'s is about 2 million.
if they pick say 7th, lose 2 million in pool money and then decide they want to sign FA who was offered a QO, that's minus another 2 million or so bucks (+ IFA money). Leaves you with a skeleton of a draft.
finishes 4-5, 2B, BB, 2 SB, Baptist 1-4, 3b, 2 BB, SB, Rosa (who has come back down to earth after a ridiculous month plus) 2-5, HR (his 15th), Ramirez 3-5, BB, 6th homer (insane August), Daniel Silva (missed most of the season injured) 3-6 with his first professional HR
“They’d be a Top 10 system if they had better pitching,” said Jim Callis, one of the MLB Pipeline's analysts.
To which a rival team executive added:
“If the Mets are going to contend in the next couple of years they’re going to have to find a way to acquire pitching to supplement what’s in their system.”
do you think more or less than 50% of the top prospects pan out from that group of 100-150 per year who get $1m as compared to the much larger pool of players who get less than $1m?
do you think more or less than 50% of the top prospects pan out from that group of 100-150 per year who get $1m as compared to the much larger pool of players who get less than $1m?
Eric, no beef but I'm tired of this dialogue. You disagree with the notion that DSL performance doesn't tell us much (that despite numerous writers stating that on the record) and more telling me that directly. You believe it does actually correlate. We will have to agree to disagree.
do you think more or less than 50% of the top prospects pan out from that group of 100-150 per year who get $1m as compared to the much larger pool of players who get less than $1m?
Eric, no beef but I'm tired of this dialogue. You disagree with the notion that DSL performance doesn't tell us much (that despite numerous writers stating that on the record) and more telling me that directly. You believe it does actually correlate. We will have to agree to disagree.
I also wasn't the one who brought bonuses(?) into the discussion? Big bonus players are busts all the time, IFA/amateur etc. Maitan was supposed to be the next big thing, Ynoa? Bonus tells you what teams thought of these guys at 14-15 years old. I'd bet good money the Mets (just using them as an example) would take back the money they spent on a guy like Fanas vs. believing he's a 1.5 million player/prospect at this point.
"Signed for just shy of $2 million in January, Gutierrez was perhaps the best defensive catching prospect in the entire 2023 international amateur class, and while he filled out considerably between when he agreed to sign and when he actually put pen to paper, Gutierrez hasn’t suddenly turned into Ronnier Quintero or anything like that."
He signed 1/15/2023, I don't personally know when he "agreed" to sign but it was likely 2 or even 3 years prior to that.
do you think more or less than 50% of the top prospects pan out from that group of 100-150 per year who get $1m as compared to the much larger pool of players who get less than $1m?
Eric, no beef but I'm tired of this dialogue. You disagree with the notion that DSL performance doesn't tell us much (that despite numerous writers stating that on the record) and more telling me that directly. You believe it does actually correlate. We will have to agree to disagree.
ok dan, we have found agreement, i am tired of this dialogue where you continue twisting the argument to something im not saying as a strawman. not trying to be a dick (no beef!) but im a little surprised that you cant seem to help yourself from misrepresenting what im saying.
do you think more or less than 50% of the top prospects pan out from that group of 100-150 per year who get $1m as compared to the much larger pool of players who get less than $1m?
Eric, no beef but I'm tired of this dialogue. You disagree with the notion that DSL performance doesn't tell us much (that despite numerous writers stating that on the record) and more telling me that directly. You believe it does actually correlate. We will have to agree to disagree.
I also wasn't the one who brought bonuses(?) into the discussion? Big bonus players are busts all the time, IFA/amateur etc. Maitan was supposed to be the next big thing, Ynoa? Bonus tells you what teams thought of these guys at 14-15 years old. I'd bet good money the Mets (just using them as an example) would take back the money they spent on a guy like Fanas vs. believing he's a 1.5 million player/prospect at this point.
first round picks bust all the time too. jt ginn got 3m and he was an outright bust.
who is arguing that prospects don't bust? just the strawman.
keep repeating the phrase strawman over and over. DSL numbers don't mean a whole lot, that's where we disagree and for some reason you won't let that go? I've tried to move on, you are tying in bonuses for some reason? DSL success doesn't correlate to even hitting in the complex (formerly rookie) leagues, you feel otherwise, that's you're right.
keep repeating the phrase strawman over and over. DSL numbers don't mean a whole lot, that's where we disagree and for some reason you won't let that go? I've tried to move on, you are tying in bonuses for some reason? DSL success doesn't correlate to even hitting in the complex (formerly rookie) leagues, you feel otherwise, that's you're right.
show me where i said DSL numbers mean a whole lot?
I said they didn't matter much and you responded with
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the walk/k rates are what stand out for a player that young more than anything else. especially the trend we can see thanks to the deadline. he's walked more than twice as much as he's k'd since joining mets org. given that he's also a bonus baby we've got a few reasons to believe the talent is there."
And I noted there are MULTIPLE players running *20%* walk rates, multiple players with *.500* OBP, not .400, 500. How is that a "strawman" argument? At no point did you acknowledge, okay, you know what the walk rates in the DSL are heavily inflated so I should take that into consideration? This is really my final post on this because it's really becoming tedious but the DSL has
2 players with OBP over .500 and 88 with .400 or greater OBP
the FCL for comparisons sake has
0 players with a .500 OBP and 13 over .400. It's just not the same thing.
I said they didn't matter much and you responded with
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the walk/k rates are what stand out for a player that young more than anything else. especially the trend we can see thanks to the deadline. he's walked more than twice as much as he's k'd since joining mets org. given that he's also a bonus baby we've got a few reasons to believe the talent is there."
And I noted there are MULTIPLE players running *20%* walk rates, multiple players with *.500* OBP, not .400, 500. How is that a "strawman" argument? At no point did you acknowledge, okay, you know what the walk rates in the DSL are heavily inflated so I should take that into consideration? This is really my final post on this because it's really becoming tedious but the DSL has
2 players with OBP over .500 and 88 with .400 or greater OBP
the FCL for comparisons sake has
0 players with a .500 OBP and 13 over .400. It's just not the same thing.
And no that's not a typo, the DSL has *88* players getting on base at least 40% of the time.
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Mets minor-league infielder Cristopher Larez was suspended for 56 games after testing positive for Boldenone, a steroid. He has been playing in the Dominican Summer League.
Larez signed for 1.4 million in January and now will miss a good chunk of the 2024 season (and of course, the ?? regarding how good he even is have to be asked with a PED suspension)
I said they didn't matter much and you responded with
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the walk/k rates are what stand out for a player that young more than anything else. especially the trend we can see thanks to the deadline. he's walked more than twice as much as he's k'd since joining mets org. given that he's also a bonus baby we've got a few reasons to believe the talent is there."
And I noted there are MULTIPLE players running *20%* walk rates, multiple players with *.500* OBP, not .400, 500. How is that a "strawman" argument? At no point did you acknowledge, okay, you know what the walk rates in the DSL are heavily inflated so I should take that into consideration? This is really my final post on this because it's really becoming tedious but the DSL has
2 players with OBP over .500 and 88 with .400 or greater OBP
the FCL for comparisons sake has
0 players with a .500 OBP and 13 over .400. It's just not the same thing.
walk and k rates aren't league "numbers". they are proxies for the ever popular "swing decisions". someone running a 2:1 walk to k ratio in any league is good decision making, especially when they are one of the youngest players in the league, and a very different thing from saying the league's numbers or more traditional stat lines matter.
essentially going to sit out all of next season. FCL is only about 50 games, DSL about the same. So whatever he misses this year (a handful) plus essentially all of next season. See him in 2025.
(as is the norm) claimed he didn't know what he was taking when he took the PED's, the league (as is the norm) did not buy this and/or that's his job to know what he's taking.
By my buddy’s son Kyle gets his major league debut tomorrow night in Philly ! If he doesn’t walk the ballpark he will be fine ….
One of the top SP prospects in baseball. Arguably the top lefty
Who are you arguing for instead … snelling ? I know his family too in a redraft he’s a top 10 pick imo .. say what u want about Preller there’s a reason he always has prospect capital to deal they can draft
Smart enough to not get into a back and forth about somebodies friends son but I’ve seen Tiedemann, Snelling and Schultz also in the conversation depending on who you ask.
Francisco Lindor has an .876 OPS (.281/.370/.506) OPS since 6/1 (68 games) and no, @mets weren’t “out of it” when he got hot, they were 3.5 games behind the Braves #Mets
Clark to St. Lucie and Austin Troesser (4th round) and Jack Wenninger (6th) to debut today for FCL
Jonah Tong to @stluciemets, joining him 20th round pick Kellum Clark. Villalobos and Campos from St. Lucie to FCL and Wenninger (6th round) and Troesser (4th) to @FCLMets (and debuting today) #Mets
firstly, he's actually been somewhat unlucky if you believe in expected stats (which im not the biggest fan of, but still seems notable). his expected batting average and slugging% are both lower than what's expected and both are already highest on the team.
he is not doing this with overwhelming exit velocity, but he does have the highest barrel rate on the team. barrels = xbh.
interesting to note but last year the mets only had 1 player over 6% barrel rate, Alonso at 8.6%. so there is a reason they are hitting for more power this year, they are barreling the ball a lot more thanks to lindor, alonso, alvarez, and now stewart.
now for some cold water, here are his stats in syracuse (top) and mlb this year (bottom). what's interesting is that everything looks reasonably sustainable. his k rate is higher and walk rate lower in MLB, as you would expect. very low BABIP in both. a .338 obp at mlb level isn't remarkable. the standouts in both statlines are the power (iso) .287 syracuse, .328 big leagues.
the cold water = there are only 3 qualified players in the mlb who are over .300 iso and they are alonso, olson, shohei. if we drop down to .287 we add 4 more with betts, jdm, robert, and jake burger. number 8 is max muncy, and maybe that's hopeful for stewart, but more likely he is on a homer heater that will obviously fall back to earth. maybe he is a super streaky player and sort of like this year's naquin. but under the hood things look better than naquin.
also interesting, while he has a pretty big career split and has mostly played vs righties, at syracuse this year he actually had a slightly higher ops vs lefties over 980. 1 of his met homers was against a lefty. so he isn't as unplayable as vogelbach as an example, and he's at least playable in a corner.
max muncy's breakout was his age 27/28 season without any covid year in the middle, and thanks to a .300+ iso. his entire stateline is also driven by a strong iso (.246 for his career). stewarts career big league iso is now .202 through his age 29. im not betting on it but maybe there's a chance?
Simon Juan flies out, yet another of the Mets interesting minor league catchers Christopher Suero (born in the Bronx) walks. Suero's OPS on the season is now .888 over 62 ab's
Italy's Claudio Scotti (rehab) with a scoreless second inning. 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 1 k. Scotti originally signed with the Pirates back way back in 2016
Colin Houck adds his second hit of the game, this time a single. Houck's OPS now up to .745 after a slow start. Ronald Hernandez singles him over (Hernandez has been outstanding post- Robertson trade) with an OBP pushing *500*
@BKCyclones has Jordany Ventura starting today (potential 40 man add, as he's rule 5 eligible) and @RumblePoniesBB has Blade Tidwell looking to bounce back from a rough outing last time out. Tidwell up to 97 innings pitched in 2023
Why He’s Here: .391/.462/.826 (9-for-23) 3 R, 4 2B, 2 HR, 2 RBIs, 3 BB, 5 SO, 2 SB.
The Scoop: Williams has had an excellent first full pro season, even if the full quality of it may be a little clouded by how hard it is for hitters to deal with the Florida State League. Williams’ stint in the Florida State League was excellent, but if there was one nitpick, it was that his power was limited. He had just 24 extra-base hits in 79 games with six home runs. Since he’s come to Brooklyn, Williams has already added 10 more extra-base hits, including three home runs in just 18 games. Williams keeps sliding between shortstop and center field, and his on-base ability and speed should be valuable wherever he ends up making his defensive home. (JC)
How LSU's Pitching Lab Gets Pitchers Firing On All Cylinders
Didn't realize this was a 7 inning game. So a combined 1 hitter for @FCLMets. Vargas 1-3, BB, K, Henriquez 1-4, HR, 2 k's, Hernandez 1-4, 3 k's, Houck 2-4, 3b, K, Fanas 0-3, Juan 1-3, Suero 1-2, BB, K
this year seems like it was a direct result of mistakes by porter/scott/eppler, however in fairness that was because all 3 were tasked with changing the tires on a moving car at high speed.
scott/porter almost misfired completely in 2021 other than Lindor.
eppler's black friday defined last year in a good way, until last year's deadline defined it in a bad way. both were net negatives this year.
hopefully we are beyond all of that and stearns is walking into an organization in an exponentially better position now than it was at the end of 2020. remember stearns walked into the astros organization in 2012 when they were coming off 50-win seasons. his last year before milwaukee was their first winning year in 8, and the start of their recent run basically finished 1st or 2nd every year and winning 2 WS. They made the playoffs in 2015 for the first time in a decade, and have now made the playoffs 8 of 9 years. so he has seen it firsthand.
as nice as it would be to get a top 6 pick this year, i think continuing this recent hot streak and finishing the year at .500 or better would be a really good sign for the health of the organization going forward. the system is in good shape, they have some good cost controlled upside guys at or close to the MLB level, they have 2 super stars and a few who are all stars in good years under contract.
get alonso extended, buy some pitching, and continue pumping resources into building up the organization.
also sort of interesting but they only added 1 P prospect at deadline
was that strategic because they arent yet confident in their evaluation ability to maximize who they are getting back?
a preference towards the lesser health risk of position players?
coincidence because they just liked the position players better?
an understanding that short of someone like brown or sheehan, they were still going to have to hit FA SP hard?
guess it doesnt matter why, but the result was that they get an extra 5 months to get smarter about pitchers before having to go into the market and commit resources whether that's FA, trades, etc.
while we are talking about the org big picture - cohen continues to
put in a lot of work with an eye for detail on seemingly small things that will be helpful in the future.
his endorsement of buck/eppler (buck especially since his shelf life cant be that long) in-season was frustrating, and honestly given their recent play post deadline shake up i think it may have hurt their chances. if they had done something bold earlier would this recent stretch of better play have happened earlier and possibly when jv/max were still there? but it sent a good message to people considering working for cohen that he's patient and not impulsive. he will stand behind his people.
im sure tommy pham and his agency (gary v's agency) appreciate the comments by cohen supporting him, but also the players in those team's current clubhouses take notice of that. vayner sports doesnt have a ton of big names but there's no downside and the ceo of that agency is pretty new and looks like he had a decent track record prior (Greg Genske) so it's possible they grow more important.
even right now, as frustrating as it has been to see guys like ortega, stewart, medick, ortega, and arauz get playing time over real prospects, i assume that gets looked a favorably by other AAAA depth players who have to sign on for AAA jobs hoping they will get a chance to earn their way back into the big leagues.
albeit through difficult circumstances he has not gotten the executive hires right but he has done an A+ job investing in the organization for the future. and when he went rogue in the offseason he was right - the team needs 1 more bat.
i know there's a hush right now but i think we are going to see an extreme full court press for ohtani in the offseason where cohen is going to make him turn down an extra $50m-100m if he wants to go elsewhere.
McIIwain article (again, he’s rule 5 eligible), September call-up? I’d call up Mauricio, Cortes, McIIwain, Jarvis, and Eric Orze post 9/1 Link - ( New Window )
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Mets reliever John Curtiss underwent surgery today to remove a loose body from his right elbow. He'll be ready for Opening Day.
I know the rankings probably hate their pitching, but the position players are more loaded right now than I can ever remember. And they’ve obviously had a pretty good decade of producing position players.
We’re within “field goal range” of trading Alonso to the Brewers per the athletic. Chourio was not involved. Mets sources deny this
"within a fg" sounds like they were at least 1 more good prospect away from a deal. i would imagine the price for alonso would have been higher than the price on JV or scherzer. tyler Black sounds a lot like they type of player they've liked. frelick too but also similar to gilbert who they added. Misiorowski is interesting because they dont have a high velocity arm like that. Black + Misiorowksi + 1 other top 100 guy sounds like it gets within range but was probably 1 player too many for milwaukee to give up for a 1.5 year rental.
if they talk again in the offseason i wonder if burnes for alonso is something either side would consider. both only have 1 year left. i love alonso and my first choice would be extension but if he's being unreasonable i think id do that. burnes has been top 7 CY voting the last 3 years.
MetsMinors.Net
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Mets prospect Jett Williams has only one stretch this year that he went three straight games without reaching base and look at his numbers since in 54 games:
.320/.470/.575, 14 2B, 4 3B, 8 HR, 21 SB (1 CS), with more walks (49) than strikeouts (47).
Other injury "situations" to monitor
Luis A. Rodriguez back on the 60 day (had recently returned from TJ)
Hall (placed on the 60 day upon signing)
Ziegler (originally ruled out for the year, then reported by @mikemayer22
there was some optimism he'd throw some, hasn't #Mets
Some more- Zebulon Vermillion (missed the entire 2023 season, unknown)
Daviel Hurtado/William Lugo (Their top 2 IFA arms of the most recent period, unknown)
Connor Brandon (2022 17th rounder-unknown)
Joel Diaz (unknown date, reported initially by @mikemayer22
on 3/31)
Matt Allan (1/2023)
Bryce Montes De Oca also March 2023 #Mets
And more
Javier Atencio (60 day, horrendous season, injury related? Unknown injury)
Raimon Gomez (TJ "around April")
Landon Marceaux (rough time post trade, placed on the 60 day)
Chris Santiago (2022 18th rounder-missed entire season)
Mathieu Voros 2022 UDFA (60 day)
Troy Miller (Barnes trade) placed on the 60 day after 1 appearance
Marcel Renteria (TJ, June 2023)
Dylan Tebrake (full-season IL end of July)
Matt Rudick (full-season IL-mid August, battling unknown injury)
Some interesting SP today- @BKCyclones has Felipe De La Cruz making his Cyclones debut, @RumblePoniesBB has Tyler Stuart looking to bounce back from 2 rough starts, @SyracuseMets has Justin Jarvis looking to build off his previous outing, St. Lucie TBD
Jarvis gets out of a 1st and 3rd jam coaxing a lineout DP Mauricio to Ritter. Jarvis 3 innings 2 hits 2 runs 2 walks 4 k's. As noted, FB has been 89-94, mostly sitting 91-92
Jarvis done for the day... and the ugly 4th did him in (Baty's error did him no favors) 3.2 innings 5 hits 5 runs 4 walks 5 k's. At this rate, we likely won't see him in September but still a near lock addition to the 40 man after the season
2023 in SAL (min. 80 PA):
🎢 4th BB% (20.5%)
🎢 6th wRC+ (192) & wOBA (.479)
it seems like it would be a big wasted opportunity to not let him get a taste of AA to finish the year. what more is there for any player to do once they are one of the top players in the league? if he's a big part of the future why not let him get a few weeks in with gilbert and acuna? they can still decide to start him wherever they want next spring.
103mph and 402 feet slightly the other way to center is pretty impressive. id probably still go cortes ahead bc of the k-rate but almonte seems like such a wasted spot.
LF 5'7" Carlos Cortes
CF 5'6" Jett Williams
RF 5'9 Drew Gilbert
2b 5'8" Luisangel Acuna
C 5'9" Francisco Alvarez
DH 5'6" Matt Rudick
SS 5'6" Wyatt Young
LF 5'7" Carlos Cortes
CF 5'6" Jett Williams
RF 5'9 Drew Gilbert
2b 5'8" Luisangel Acuna
C 5'9" Francisco Alvarez
DH 5'6" Matt Rudick
SS 5'6" Wyatt Young
i know this is a joke but i wonder if anyone has ever looked at the impact of team's with smaller strike zones because their players are just smaller.
LF 5'7" Carlos Cortes
CF 5'6" Jett Williams
RF 5'9 Drew Gilbert
2b 5'8" Luisangel Acuna
C 5'9" Francisco Alvarez
DH 5'6" Matt Rudick
SS 5'6" Wyatt Young
i know this is a joke but i wonder if anyone has ever looked at the impact of team's with smaller strike zones because their players are just smaller.
I haven't seen that but I have seen things talking about how super sized players (like Judge) get a higher % of strikes called on them because of their size so the reverse is probably true (or could be).
LF 5'7" Carlos Cortes
CF 5'6" Jett Williams
RF 5'9 Drew Gilbert
2b 5'8" Luisangel Acuna
C 5'9" Francisco Alvarez
DH 5'6" Matt Rudick
SS 5'6" Wyatt Young
i know this is a joke but i wonder if anyone has ever looked at the impact of team's with smaller strike zones because their players are just smaller.
I haven't seen that but I have seen things talking about how super sized players (like Judge) get a higher % of strikes called on them because of their size so the reverse is probably true (or could be).
yeah i would guess there's a relationship, if someone charted the tallest teams vs the shortest teams id bet the shortest team has an advantage with balls/strikes.
though the trade off is probably fewer xbh bc less power.
but if you could get a short team that's powerful like alvarez, jett, gilbert...
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Luke Ritter left during his at-bat in the 8th inning after an awkward swing. Ritter immediately called time after the swing and walked straight to the dugout.
Ritter hit his Mets minor league leading 27th home run earlier in the game.
@Mets have released arguably their most porn star sounding player DSL SS Railin Reyes. Reyes hit .160/.364/.253 over 75 ab's. To his credit, Reyes did post a 19.2% BB rate
Not to single him out... but does it really matter if Danny Mendick is arbitration eligible next season? His OPS+ since 2020 81, 63, 122, 38 and has posted -2 DRS and -3 OAA at 2b. He should be playing for his 40 man spot in September
special seems a little overstated but things definitely seem going in
One aim of the developmental system is to turn a higher draft pick like Tidwell into a top-of-the-rotation starter. Another is to turn less established draft picks into useful pitchers at the big-league level. Enter Hamel (a third-round pick in 2021), Scott (fifth round in 2021) and Stuart (sixth round in 2022).
Like Tidwell, all of them have worked through significant alterations to their arsenals. Hamel added a cutter, has tried to get more sweep on his slider and has changed the grip on his changeup, all since the start of spring training. Scott was experimenting with different changeup grips until finding one that works earlier this year. In barely 12 months, Stuart has gone from a fastball-centric college reliever to a Double-A starter leaning heavily on his slider but confident throwing any of four pitches in any count.
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Tidwell has a chance to be a front-half starter if things break right. The consensus is Vasil can be a back-end starter; one evaluator said that could change if he were able to add a few more ticks on the radar gun. Hamel’s future might be in the bullpen, and Scott and Stuart are too early in their transitions to project confidently where they’ll go.
But beggars cannot be choosers, and the Mets are begging for internal options to add to their pitching staff. Only six of the 34 pitchers New York has used this season were drafted or signed by the club. Those half-dozen combined for a 5.47 ERA over 218 2/3 innings this year. Only one of them has an ERA below four: Luis Guillorme, who tossed a single scoreless inning in a 10-0 loss back in April.
This quintet wants to change that.
“When you build a community of guys that get along and they’re all performing and all coming up together and starting to move up at the same time, it builds a relationship,” Vasil said. “Every guy is pulling for each other, every guy is rooting for each other. To me, that’s something really special going on.”
Was popping 96 in the gun when I saw him in BK. No idea if the gun was juiced etc
i think statcast has had his velocity there in syracuse too. when i check the daily mauricio/baty ev i've noticed him in the gamefeeds. actually a little surprised they didnt call him up earlier but coming back from injuries is trickier than just advancing guys without injury.
Franklin Gomez in only his second stateside appearance making a playoff start 👀👀👀 interesting no Ewing or Baro. Presumably all hands on deck
Winning is being stressed for now on. Instructional and adjustments coming out of spring. They don't care about results early on. How do you adjust. Middle of the year is production and promotion time. Stretch run is teach them how to be winners and to hate losing. That group in the GCL has really bonded over it, nice to see.
Mets: Ronny Mauricio, 2B/OF/SS (No. 4/MLB No. 92)
While Mauricio’s chase concerns give some pause about his prospect profile, his power has never been in question as he’s backed it up with 20 homers in 109 games for Triple-A Syracuse this season. He’s also been aggressive on the basepaths with 21 steals in 27 attempts, giving him a second straight 20-20 seasons in the upper Minors. He’s the only repeat 20-20 performer of the nine to reach those marks so far in 2023.
Mets: Ronny Mauricio, 2B/OF/SS (No. 4/MLB No. 92)
While Mauricio’s chase concerns give some pause about his prospect profile, his power has never been in question as he’s backed it up with 20 homers in 109 games for Triple-A Syracuse this season. He’s also been aggressive on the basepaths with 21 steals in 27 attempts, giving him a second straight 20-20 seasons in the upper Minors. He’s the only repeat 20-20 performer of the nine to reach those marks so far in 2023.
Really makes no sense he's not up at this point while we're seeing the likes of Arauz, Mendick, etc.
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Mets signed Franklin Gomez(P) January 15, 2022 with no fan fare and to a low bonus . Since then Gomez has gone
82.1 IP
110 K
37 BB
2.95
Mets: Ronny Mauricio, 2B/OF/SS (No. 4/MLB No. 92)
While Mauricio’s chase concerns give some pause about his prospect profile, his power has never been in question as he’s backed it up with 20 homers in 109 games for Triple-A Syracuse this season. He’s also been aggressive on the basepaths with 21 steals in 27 attempts, giving him a second straight 20-20 seasons in the upper Minors. He’s the only repeat 20-20 performer of the nine to reach those marks so far in 2023.
Really makes no sense he's not up at this point while we're seeing the likes of Arauz, Mendick, etc.
could be wrong bc im not watching him on d, but i think the defense is what's holding them back and i think the baty experience is part of that and has them spooked. i dont think they are totally wrong if that is the reason either. baty's defensive regression over the year was unexpected and disappointing.
none of that excuses not giving someone like cortes a shot. i know his defense isn't great either but he's 26. ortega, arauz, mendick, and stewart arent winning GGs.
They waited too long with Mauricio (which sadly, was an unforced error given the fact they had signed Lindor to a "career long" contract and Mauricio was already trending away from playable at SS LAST season. That being saidBaro/Houck/Jett/Morabito/Ewing/Vargas looks at multiple positions this year, appears to be a shift in philosophy (hopefully)
Mets: Ronny Mauricio, 2B/OF/SS (No. 4/MLB No. 92)
While Mauricio’s chase concerns give some pause about his prospect profile, his power has never been in question as he’s backed it up with 20 homers in 109 games for Triple-A Syracuse this season. He’s also been aggressive on the basepaths with 21 steals in 27 attempts, giving him a second straight 20-20 seasons in the upper Minors. He’s the only repeat 20-20 performer of the nine to reach those marks so far in 2023.
Really makes no sense he's not up at this point while we're seeing the likes of Arauz, Mendick, etc.
could be wrong bc im not watching him on d, but i think the defense is what's holding them back and i think the baty experience is part of that and has them spooked. i dont think they are totally wrong if that is the reason either. baty's defensive regression over the year was unexpected and disappointing.
none of that excuses not giving someone like cortes a shot. i know his defense isn't great either but he's 26. ortega, arauz, mendick, and stewart arent winning GGs.
You're probably correct but let him figure it out at the MLB level with coaching here. We need to see if the bat can play.
They waited too long with Mauricio (which sadly, was an unforced error given the fact they had signed Lindor to a "career long" contract and Mauricio was already trending away from playable at SS LAST season. That being saidBaro/Houck/Jett/Morabito/Ewing/Vargas looks at multiple positions this year, appears to be a shift in philosophy (hopefully)
they also should have called him up when his bat was hot back in June.
the biggest mistakes they made the last 2 years were not giving guys every day chances early in the year when opportunities were there and while they were hot. they have specifically beaten the confidence out of their own young players.
i know some people would say "but baty and vientos sucked and alvarez is struggling that's why" but i think that's a stupid excuse. look at a guy like dj stewart who started slow but grew playing every day, now imagine a version of him that's 22/23 years old but with real upside. they wasted at bats on guys not producing way too long. marte looked cooked all year, he should have gone on the IL immediately after that failed experiment in CF and that game when he let the ball go under his glove. mauricio should have been every day OF and vientos almost every day DH from those points forward. they should have leaned into the "baby mets" instead of leaning away.
the season may have fallen apart any way but they'd be in better shape as an organization right now.
Gomez issues his second walk to lead-off the 2nd inning, then strikes out his first hitter of the game. Suero (Bronx's own) throws out the runner trying to steal 2b. Gomez hits the next hitter. 2 down, runner on 1st
Now a double. It's now 3-0 Braves. Gomez being replaced by Gregori Louis who will try to limit the damage. Gomez 3 innings 2 hits 3 runs 3 walks 4 k's, runners on 2nd and 3rd are his
FCL Mets are running out of time to get the offense going 6-0 after 4.5. Only 3 total hits. Yeomans effort out of the pen by Louis. 2 innings 1 hit 0 er 0 walks 6 k's #Mets
Justin Rocke
@JustinRocke
Since returning from the All-Star break on July 14, Jett Williams is slashing .345/.497/.646 with a 1.143 OPS in 33 games between Single-A @stluciemets
& High-A @BKCyclones
.
In that span, no one in @MiLB
(min. 145 PA) has registered a higher OBP (.497).
told as of last week it was "unlikely" the Mets would "take" Williams from BK with them only being 1 game out of a playoff spot. They value the BK fans, obviously these things can change.
@WillSammon
Mets minor-league INF Luke Ritter is out 4-6 weeks (so likely the rest of the season) because of an oblique strain, per a league source. Across Double A and Triple A this season, he hit 27 home runs. The 26-year-old is Rule 5 eligible.
Some more transactions. P Luis A. Rodriguez (the righty) , P Joe Joe Rodriguez, P Miguel Alfonseca, SS Jeffrey De Los Santos, and P Estarlin Escalante all promoted to @BKCyclones
trade Jett Williams for. Kid is going to be a good one. His recent power surge puts his upside through the roof and his profile already gives him a high floor. Stud.
Mcillwain 385 foot walk off homer (2nd of the game)
a top 10 rerank already. im not a prospect guru and i was late to the party i guess but jett getting so obviously ready for AA at 19 pushes him to #1 and i think that's going to end up pretty unanimous. gimenez was i think our last prospect to get there at 19, and while he was always one of the better players in his league even though he was young he never had the kind of power jett has shown. like i said maybe im late on that but august was his first month hitting .300, slugging over .600, and ops'ing over 1.000 -- and some of those homers went way out. he has 5 homers in august after hitting 6 in the prior 4 months. that type of in-game power surge is a real game changer given his age even though it's unlikely he slugs .600 forever. ill happily settle for a career .487 slug like bregman. i have to think that scout the statline isn't the only list we are going to see him rise way up in the next several months to more of a 55 grade that gets him in the top 25's. kiley had 29 55+ grades in his recent update, FG has 27.
mauricio / acuna is an interesting #2/3 debate. not sure there's a right answer. 2 different playing styles, 1 guy with better defense, the other with more power closer to big leagues. i put both over gilbert because they have louder tools.
i was luke warm on gilbert and 1 good month doesn't change the general level i consider him but he's performing a level ahead of parada and clifford, and more likley to be + impact on defense. so while i think he may have the least upside of the 3 he probably has the highest floor too. and hey, like jett he's close to ops'ing 1.000 in august which is almost a 200 point gain over his best prior AA month so maybe i was late to the party on his upside just like jett.
all in though i think that top 6 is 5x 50 grades and 1x 55 grade. fangraphs estimates 50 grades at $28m and 55 grades at $46m. so that's $140m worth of 50 grades, and $186m total in those top 6. $186m would be fangraphs 13th ranked farm system. so just those 6 players, 3 from the deadline trades, are a top half farm system if we use FG methodology.
notably FG agrees with all of those grades except Jett - who they still have at a 45+ worth $8m. if we only changed their grade on Jett, their total value of the mets system would jump up from $216m to $254m - which would be 2nd best behind Pitt at $267m.
7-10 are probably ramirez, vargas, houck, j-rod, and id probably rank them in that order just based on the levels they are at.
didnt include the pitchers because they are all clustered other than tidwell and vasil seeming like the clear top 2 but both below 50 grade. fg only values 45 grade pitchers at $4m and it's hard to argue with that.
tl:dr that top 6 is probably as good as almost any top 6 in MLB, and the system had a really great august. need some of those pitchers to step and some of those 7-10 low level guys to continue ascending next year. would be nice if some of these guys who have done well at Cuse can play their way into firmer big league roles for next year over the next month.
Arguably, the most under-the-radar season for @mets is Rhylan Thomas. Last night in his @RumblePoniesBB 2-5. On the season he's now hitting .324/.402/.431 with 33 walks vs. 24 k's
Good to see him heating up a bit, but still waiting on some of the power Acuña displayed with Texas Slugged .453 with a .138 ISO with 34 extra-base hits pre-trade, slugging .273 with a .023 ISO and 2 extra-base hits over 15 games post-trade #Mets
@mikemayer22
The night after hitting two home runs, Mets outfield prospect Brandon McIlwain was on base four times for Triple-A Syracuse with two doubles and two walks.
He has a .952 OPS since his promotion to Triple-A.
His 22nd, he is a repeat 20/20 player, his K's and BB's changed significantly and subsequently his OBP (for the better) from last year to this year.
it's mind boggling to me that some of these prospect lists see 100 better prospects in minors. he only turned 22 a few months ago, has a lot of paths to being successful because they are playing him at so many positions. he's a true 5 tool.
i really think some of these services just get prospect fatigue talking about players for 4-5 years and if they dont do something special they move on to the younger generation. or in mauricio's case even if they do something special. he has 55 xbh in 113 games, which is close to an 80 pace over a full season. aaron judge was the only guy who had 80+ last year.
2 hits, they are going to have some tough rule 5 decisions this off-season.
when you look at the current 40 man there are a lot of easy ones though.
Yeah, but there are also big leaguers that need to be added as well and 40 man decisions are "forever" decisions. Once added you need to waive/DFA a player to remove them. It's not as simple as "just add them!"
also don't want to have too many players on the 40-man who can't help the 2024 club at all, players like Ramirez/Consuegra fall into this group. Crow until ST will fall into this group. Jordany Ventura likely falls into this group as well.
also don't want to have too many players on the 40-man who can't help the 2024 club at all, players like Ramirez/Consuegra fall into this group. Crow until ST will fall into this group. Jordany Ventura likely falls into this group as well.
that's true but they dont need many "slots" for veteran signings as of now, and wont need as many with so many young guys on the 40 ready to play depth roles. Mauricio obviously, but if they add McIilwain, Cortes, whoever presumably it's because they think those guys can be depth players.
Mauricio being able to play so many positions helps them avoid needing a replacement for Escobar or any other back SS since they already have Guillorme/Lindor.
this should be an offseason where they add a small handful of impact veterans. 2 SP, maybe 1 versatile hitter, and 2 relievers with as high impact as possible. which should give them 10+ spots to protect prospects.
Very curious who
@Mets
send to the AFL this season. Might use it to get some final looks at tough Rule 5 decisions. Flip side is giving teams another look at these players as well.
Schwartz/Rudick both missed extensive time so they would be top candidates, Ziegler as well (obviously only if they are healthy)
Took issue with people saying he didn’t have any power huh?
You think they move him up to AA for playoffs or let him ride out the rest of the season in Brooklyn?
Was told they don’t want to pull major players from pennant races. Also Cohen (like the Wilpons before him) really values the Brooklyn fans. Williams likely isn’t promoted unless Brooklyn falls out of the race which seems unlikely (currently up 2.0 games for the second half crown/playoff spot)
a nice back and forth with a prospect writer this weekend
-Loves Jett Williams
-Likes Gilbert more second half than he did earlier this season
-VERY down on Alex Ramirez, says he looks disinterested and still looks good in CF but very weak swings and as noted by others, issues with premium velocity
-Down on Parada, says bat speed looks less impressive than it did pre-draft "not a catcher" for him
-Said to keep an eye on Wilfredo Lara, more of a utility type but kind of slept on
-Has heard teams like McIIwain "not going to project rule 5 stuff in August but he'd be a hot name".
Rhylan Thomas is now 4th in the organization in wRC+ (131) and leads the organization in BB/K (1.38), he also leads the organization in BA (.324) and 5th in wOBA #Mets
Wilfredo Lara is now 7th in the organization in wRC+ (124), 6th in average (.270), 9th in OPS (.824) and 6th in wOBA (.384) all this while seeing time at 2b/3b/LF/RF/CF/1b, and won't be 20 until next March
Holy crap. Phillies signed UDFA Danny Wilkinson to a minor league deal in 2022 but he didn't appear in a game. Wilkinson in 2023...54 innings 102 k's (yes, he's also walked 42) but *17 k/9*
have signed the 6th overall pick in the 2015 draft LHP Tyler Jay to a minor league deal. Jay (now 29 years old) last pitched affiliated baseball back in 2019 (Reds system)
have signed the 6th overall pick in the 2015 draft LHP Tyler Jay to a minor league deal. Jay (now 29 years old) last pitched affiliated baseball back in 2019 (Reds system)
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The Binghamton Rumble Ponies, Double-A Affiliate of the @Mets
, announced Monday that RHP @tystuart19
has been named Eastern League Pitcher of the Week for August 21-27.
Jones is going thr JUCO route. The Mets can offer him up to 242,570 between the end of his season and the start of 2024 to sign under the new draft and follow rules
Jones is going thr JUCO route. The Mets can offer him up to 242,570 between the end of his season and the start of 2024 to sign under the new draft and follow rules
Which is the same amount they were able to offer him before the deadline
@mets have released RHP Manuel Alvarez. Alvarez was originally signed after being released by the Guardians, then became a minor league FA, and was re-signed by @mets in January
The Scoop: Anytime Mauricio walks more than he strikes out he makes the Hot Sheet, as that is typically a sign that Mauricio is locked in and seeing the ball well. Not since Justin Upton’s heyday have we seen a player as streaky as Mauricio. After opening the season scorching hot for two months, Mauricio hit a prolonged slump through June into July, hitting .218/.268/.420 from June 1 to July 17. Since then Mauricio has caught fire, finishing his season in a similar fashion to how it opened. Last week Mauricio collected a hit in the first five games of the series with Buffalo, hitting five extra-base hits from Tuesday to Saturday. Mauricio is a twitchy athlete with plus power and an aggressive contact-driven approach. (GP)
Bing is up 1 game, Brooklyn is up 2, Syracuse is 19 games under .500. St. Lucie is remarkably 16-38 over the second half of the season, 39 games under .500 overall. 39. #Mets
This is the first month of his professional career in which he has walked more than 9 times (August 2021). His month high last season was 6. He's walked 6, 6, 7 and 11 times since May
Saul Garcia (he of the 96.1 k's over 67.1 innings) promoted to @BKCyclones and Wilson Lopez joining some of his ex-@FCLMets teammates with @stluciemets #Mets
Jonathan Araúz since 2021 is 24/155 (.155/.224/.290). A 40 wRC+ good for 583/593 players with at least 170 PA's
i think the playing time for him, ortega, and dj stewart is a billboard to agents of AAAA/fringe MLB players who are going to sign for minor league deals.
not saying it's right but they seemed to want to keep the syracuse guys down until 9/1 and give the above a full month.
Jonathan Araúz since 2021 is 24/155 (.155/.224/.290). A 40 wRC+ good for 583/593 players with at least 170 PA's
i think the playing time for him, ortega, and dj stewart is a billboard to agents of AAAA/fringe MLB players who are going to sign for minor league deals.
not saying it's right but they seemed to want to keep the syracuse guys down until 9/1 and give the above a full month.
Worth noting Tyler Stuart has thrown 110.2 innings in 2023, his career TOTAL coming into 2023 was 60 total innings (2021+2022). I have no clue if he's actually injured vs. innings limit but felt worth mentioning
Jeff Passan
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BREAKING: The Los Angeles Angels have placed starter Lucas Giolito, relievers Matt Moore and Reynaldo López, and outfielders Hunter Renfroe and Randal Grichuk on waivers, sources tell ESPN. Huge potential playoff implications: All can be claimed by teams for free on Thursday.
Jonathan Araúz since 2021 is 24/155 (.155/.224/.290). A 40 wRC+ good for 583/593 players with at least 170 PA's
i think the playing time for him, ortega, and dj stewart is a billboard to agents of AAAA/fringe MLB players who are going to sign for minor league deals.
not saying it's right but they seemed to want to keep the syracuse guys down until 9/1 and give the above a full month.
Explain Danny Mendick then lol
same thing. remember he had actually been good in chi before the acl tear (he just hasn't been good here).
ortega and stewart have been decent - the production from pham/canha to them hasn't had much dropoff if any. both better than marte. this is august.
good in Chicago? He had 97 ab's in 2022, which was the basis for his "goodness". His career OPS+ is 80, his OPS+ coming into last season was 75. Career 81 wRC+.
Mendick 2019-2021 (age 25-26-27) .239/.298/.342 (340 PA's), Mendick 97 whopping ab's at 28 years old .289/.343/.443, with a 22% k rate, 6.6 BB rate. It's fine they gambled on him at 1 million but he most certainly wasn't overall "good" before signing him.
Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
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BREAKING: The Los Angeles Angels have placed starter Lucas Giolito, relievers Matt Moore and Reynaldo López, and outfielders Hunter Renfroe and Randal Grichuk on waivers, sources tell ESPN. Huge potential playoff implications: All can be claimed by teams for free on Thursday.
Jeffrey Paternostro
@jeffpaternostro
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Look as loathe as I am to say it the commissioner probably needs to step in here
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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Waiver order no longer goes by league. Someone in the Marlins/Reds/Giants tier is about to get a bunch of killer acquisitions for nothing but money. This is a complete joke and destroys the integrity of the pennant race.
Stuart is a phantom injury because both he and Scott going down would sure change the narrative of "at least some SPers emerged in the minors". The "big 5" (Tidwell/Hamel/Vasil/Scott/Stuart) would be down to 3.
Stuart is a phantom injury because both he and Scott going down would sure change the narrative of "at least some SPers emerged in the minors". The "big 5" (Tidwell/Hamel/Vasil/Scott/Stuart) would be down to 3.
Fingers crossed it's just tired arm and nothing major.
Thomas keeps hitting. He and Juarez are my most undercooked position player and pitcher in the system (based on performance not necessarily how good they are prospect wise)
The bad… Jett and Clifford were held hitless…. The good.. combined for 5 walks. Clifford has struggled post trade to @mets but he’s still getting on base at a decent enough clip considering he’s only hitting .183
Mauricio, Cortes, and Mcilwain really need to be up on Friday. The lineups being thrown out in August are a joke and it doesn't give us any insight into some future parts of the team.
Defense isn't going to get any better in AAA let them work out and kinks at this level. Also how many times have we seen defensive reports be totally off? I know Mauricio has a high error count but maybe other major leaguers around him helps that. Alonso picks some throws etc.
Hits for Acuna. Hasn’t hit for any power yet. 2 extra base hirs over his first 16 games post trade. Not concerned but he’s slugging .283, singles are nice but gotta drive the ball more if he’s going to be a good regular.
Says the Mets made Alonso an offer which he passed on. This is probably (most likely) part of the reason this trade talk stuff kicked up (even down to putting the screws to Alonso, making him sweat a bit)
Says the Mets made Alonso an offer which he passed on. This is probably (most likely) part of the reason this trade talk stuff kicked up (even down to putting the screws to Alonso, making him sweat a bit)
that is what i suspect. they are making him think about playing out a year somewhere that's not ny, that will not come close to offering him whatever extension he's looking for, and being forced to go open market.
he is repped by a smaller agency and he looks like he'll be their biggest deal ever no matter what he gets. don't love there being an inexperienced counterpart in the negotiation if the client is already appearing to be difficult. seems like they may be looking for too big of a "win" considering all the circumstances because this should be a pretty simple extension.
Says the Mets made Alonso an offer which he passed on. This is probably (most likely) part of the reason this trade talk stuff kicked up (even down to putting the screws to Alonso, making him sweat a bit)
that is what i suspect. they are making him think about playing out a year somewhere that's not ny, that will not come close to offering him whatever extension he's looking for, and being forced to go open market.
he is repped by a smaller agency and he looks like he'll be their biggest deal ever no matter what he gets. don't love there being an inexperienced counterpart in the negotiation if the client is already appearing to be difficult. seems like they may be looking for too big of a "win" considering all the circumstances because this should be a pretty simple extension.
Exactly these two posts. Click HERE to see Pete's Spotrac page. He's represented by Apex Baseball.
I remember Shecky pointing out that tactics like this would be used. The Mets want Pete on a shorter deal, but Pete is being stubborn and so is his neophyte agency. they want a longer deal and are trying to do what Kim Miale did to Joe Schoen. Pete's gonna need to think long and hard about what it would mean to test the Mets. They've already shown they're willing to trade big time players. Granted, he's a different kettle of fish due to his younger age, being home grown, and being a core player. With all that said, he can be replaced. Everyone can. Ball's in his court.
He can come down on his demands and agree to a 6 or 7 year deal peacefully this offseason, starting with buying out his last arbitration year next year, OR he can get testy and get dealt. I don't think the Mets necessarily want to deal him, but if there's one thing Steve Cohen understands it's markets.
If Pete REALLY values being a Met, he and his rinky dink agency need to to realize who they're dealing with in Steve Cohen and that the grass is NOT necessarily always greener on the other side. His choice. The agency is interested in making a name for themselves, not Pete's happiness. Take a look at Freddie Freeman's meltdown with his agent(s) after he found out what went down during his negotiation and the crying about how much he missed the Braves. I'd say the Braves did pretty well for themselves moving on from him.
On that note, Ryan Clifford's at A+ Brooklyn now and is a damned fine potential in-house replacement candidate circa 2026 (HERE is his MiLB.com page) for Pete at 1B. That would give them 2 years to hold the fort if they deal Pete this offseason and only 1 year if they keep him next year and let him walk---which is doubtful IMO. They're gonna want to get something for him and add to their minor league war chest.
@mets have released OF Eduardo Salazar. Salazar signed was signed in 2017 as part of the IFA class than included Mauricio. Salazar received a relatively large bonus ($125,000). 2017 also included Consuegra, Joshua , Benito Garcia and Adrian Hernandez
of Apex (Alonso's agency) their second biggest client is Will Smith. More money than I'll ever have but Will Smith has only made 7 million as a member of LAD, and has 2 more years of arbitration. He'll be a 31 year old FA, likely never really truly "cash in". Do the Dodgers extend him now for 2-3 more? Or just let it play out and let him walk?
I have 10 pitchers in @mets organization who are out post-TJ. That doesn't mean there are only 10, rather 10 that have been publicly acknowledged by the player or the team (in Crow's case, by pipeline)
of Apex (Alonso's agency) their second biggest client is Will Smith. More money than I'll ever have but Will Smith has only made 7 million as a member of LAD, and has 2 more years of arbitration. He'll be a 31 year old FA, likely never really truly "cash in". Do the Dodgers extend him now for 2-3 more? Or just let it play out and let him walk?
they have so many catching prospects right? they probably wait until he's closer to FA.
look at how cheap mcneil was even though he got pretty close to UFA, these overage guys have very little leverage. as alonso seems to be finding out.
of Apex (Alonso's agency) their second biggest client is Will Smith. More money than I'll ever have but Will Smith has only made 7 million as a member of LAD, and has 2 more years of arbitration. He'll be a 31 year old FA, likely never really truly "cash in". Do the Dodgers extend him now for 2-3 more? Or just let it play out and let him walk?
they have so many catching prospects right? they probably wait until he's closer to FA.
look at how cheap mcneil was even though he got pretty close to UFA, these overage guys have very little leverage. as alonso seems to be finding out.
2 of the best catching prospects in baseball in Cartaya/Rushing + Liranzo/Fernandez... so yes. Loaded.
of Apex (Alonso's agency) their second biggest client is Will Smith. More money than I'll ever have but Will Smith has only made 7 million as a member of LAD, and has 2 more years of arbitration. He'll be a 31 year old FA, likely never really truly "cash in". Do the Dodgers extend him now for 2-3 more? Or just let it play out and let him walk?
they have so many catching prospects right? they probably wait until he's closer to FA.
look at how cheap mcneil was even though he got pretty close to UFA, these overage guys have very little leverage. as alonso seems to be finding out.
2 of the best catching prospects in baseball in Cartaya/Rushing + Liranzo/Fernandez... so yes. Loaded.
if the brewers/mets thing gets rekindled in the offseason, misiorowski and quero would be my guess on the package the mets would want even for just 1 year of alonso even with alvarez. i think the path going forward with DH is having 2 quality catchers and with Parada being up in the air defensively catcher is pretty thin upper levels.
from the brewers side at least 1 of them had to be in the brewer offer for the offer to be tempting for mets, probably misiorowski, and im sure the mets tried to be aggressive on the 2nd/3rd pieces and that's where they were a FG apart.
gilbert, jett, mauricio, nimmo signed long term, acuna give them a lot of outfield options AA or higher now. still possible baty (or parada) moves to LF.
can never have enough quality C and SS in a system.
to somebody just last week that actually thinks Hernandez is the Mets top C prospect (not Parada). Thinks Hernandez's floor is a good backup C with the ceiling of a starter, whereas he doesn't think Parada is a viable C going forward. We'll see who is right, but it's not as outrageous of a take as you'd think on it's face.
to somebody just last week that actually thinks Hernandez is the Mets top C prospect (not Parada). Thinks Hernandez's floor is a good backup C with the ceiling of a starter, whereas he doesn't think Parada is a viable C going forward. We'll see who is right, but it's not as outrageous of a take as you'd think on it's face.
parada may not be a catcher at all so for system building purposes the mets need to 'act as if'.
you can't just hope or even bet on parada being a catcher because by the time you find out for sure it's too late. trading for hernandez was a good move. i dont think trading alonso is a good move but if you do it catcher is perhaps the position id value highest other than a high velocity pitcher.
not to dump on Parada but it goes without saying the pressure is really going to be on his bat to hit if he moves to LF. He moves well for a C, but he doesn't move "well" for a LFer aka he's not likely going to be a defensive asset so a 114 wRC+, with a 25% k rate... going to have to hit a lot better than that if he's going to be a starting MLB LFer (and he very well may), first full season and all but the bat has very much been "okay" for a guy who was being ranked as high as the #1 pure NCAA hitter in last years draft. 3 were picked ahead of him. Berry/Cross have struggled, Lee is already in AAA and knocking on the door.
to somebody just last week that actually thinks Hernandez is the Mets top C prospect (not Parada). Thinks Hernandez's floor is a good backup C with the ceiling of a starter, whereas he doesn't think Parada is a viable C going forward. We'll see who is right, but it's not as outrageous of a take as you'd think on it's face.
parada may not be a catcher at all so for system building purposes the mets need to 'act as if'.
you can't just hope or even bet on parada being a catcher because by the time you find out for sure it's too late. trading for hernandez was a good move. i dont think trading alonso is a good move but if you do it catcher is perhaps the position id value highest other than a high velocity pitcher.
Oh, they aren't likely moving him fully off of C anytime "soon". But they have seemingly become more open to giving players time at other spots "quicker" than years past. Wouldn't shock me to see Parada see time at 1b occasionally next season, just to see how he responds. LF, less likely but who knows? Between Hernandez isn't a stud prospect but he has starters "upside" and they have Alvarez already. Gutierrez awful debut but only 18, and Rodriguez is the top IFA C in the 2024 class and he's going to be with the Mets as well. It's not loaded but they have some talent.
not to dump on Parada but it goes without saying the pressure is really going to be on his bat to hit if he moves to LF. He moves well for a C, but he doesn't move "well" for a LFer aka he's not likely going to be a defensive asset so a 114 wRC+, with a 25% k rate... going to have to hit a lot better than that if he's going to be a starting MLB LFer (and he very well may), first full season and all but the bat has very much been "okay" for a guy who was being ranked as high as the #1 pure NCAA hitter in last years draft. 3 were picked ahead of him. Berry/Cross have struggled, Lee is already in AAA and knocking on the door.
not to oversimplify but 36 xbh in 380 plate appearances should play at any position if he can keep that up. that's 60+ in a full year. alonso and lindor probably the only mets that get there this year (they each have 55 right now, next closest is nimmo at 43, after that alvarez at 29, mcneil 28, no other player even has 20).
april was his weakest month across the board so the may-aug numbers trend even better.
those xbh numbers for the mets are why it's crazy they havent been more aggressive with mauricio and vientos. beyond the homers they had been xbh machines. if you hit a lot of XBH's you can deal with some swing and miss. alonso is not having his ideal year hitting .220 with a .320 obp and 22% k's but there are enough xbh's that he's still a big net positive.
excited to get a look at mauricio the next few weeks
a 40 runner with a 114 wRC+ in A+, that's not the profile of a starting MLB LFer on a good team. His OPS by month
.666
.804
.893
.779
.277 (4 games)
105 k's over 386 ab's. If you're going to strike out like that AND not be a likely asset in LF like that a .182 ISO is pretty underwhelming. He was 15th in the SAL in ISO, 3rd on his own team behind Clifford/Consuegra and his K/BB was 41st. As I said, season 1, "solid" season but completely disagree that's good enough to profile as a starting MLB OF by the numbers taking into consideration his likely defensive ability in LF.
RE: excited to get a look at mauricio the next few weeks
a 40 runner with a 114 wRC+ in A+, that's not the profile of a starting MLB LFer on a good team. His OPS by month
.666
.804
.893
.779
.277 (4 games)
105 k's over 386 ab's. If you're going to strike out like that AND not be a likely asset in LF like that a .182 ISO is pretty underwhelming. He was 15th in the SAL in ISO, 3rd on his own team behind Clifford/Consuegra and his K/BB was 41st. As I said, season 1, "solid" season but completely disagree that's good enough to profile as a starting MLB OF by the numbers taking into consideration his likely defensive ability in LF.
im not the biggest fan of using rc this way but canha's last 3 years average to about 115, so that's still at least a starter level player assuming his defense can be neutral (in LF that's not a high bar).
he's 11 months younger and 1 year behind gilbert even though they were from the same draft class. parada actually has more xbh than gilbert on the year. the hope is obviously that he will have a better year next year and get to that same type of 130+ at AA (or AAA) we are seeing from gilbert now but the fact that parada is already getting xbh at the rate he is gives a clear path to getting there.
Without saying but if the prospect writers felt Parada’s 2023 suggested his hitting was good enough he profiled well as a starting LF he wouldn’t be getting dropped off of almost every top 100 list and that’s what’s happening right now. That’s not to say his book is written but certainly an underwhelming overall season. Not terrible by any means just not what was being projected before the season when pipeline had him 36, Prospectus 64, BA 72.Pipeline has moved him to 93 and Paternostro said BP no longer has him in their top 101, BA removed him from the top 100. As I’ve said a few times, it’s only his first full professional season. He may well have a huge 2024 and none of this will matter but it’s been an “ok” season for a guy who was always “likely not” a catcher.
When all April and May I told you Mauricio wasn’t getting called up anytime soon?
And again each of the dozen times he was rumored to be on his way to the big club 🤣
Will he get a Sept call up?
Without saying but if the prospect writers felt Parada’s 2023 suggested his hitting was good enough he profiled well as a starting LF he wouldn’t be getting dropped off of almost every top 100 list and that’s what’s happening right now. That’s not to say his book is written but certainly an underwhelming overall season. Not terrible by any means just not what was being projected before the season when pipeline had him 36, Prospectus 64, BA 72.Pipeline has moved him to 93 and Paternostro said BP no longer has him in their top 101, BA removed him from the top 100. As I’ve said a few times, it’s only his first full professional season. He may well have a huge 2024 and none of this will matter but it’s been an “ok” season for a guy who was always “likely not” a catcher.
that's all completely reasonable my point is if that is his 'ok' season, a 'good' season should be pretty good even if he ends up in LF.
if this was his 'good' season then that will be a disappointing outcome but that seems like a premature assessment since it was only year 1. just based on how he was viewed in the draft i'd be more comfortable betting that his best seasons are in the future and this wasnt his career year.
When all April and May I told you Mauricio wasn’t getting called up anytime soon?
And again each of the dozen times he was rumored to be on his way to the big club 🤣
Will he get a Sept call up?
i think we trusted you, the lack of trust is with this mets regimes decision making since they've missed the mark a lot.
So @mets view Mauricio as a 2B going forward? Should be interesting to see what they do with Acuna. Do they replicate their decision with Mauricio and leave him at SS/2B or does Acuna move to CF this off-season/next season? #Mets
is there is likely something we don't know about that is pushing the Mets to not call up Mauricio.
I don't mind that if that's the case, but the major caveat I have is that Mauricio *has* to know or it's stupid.
I do think he should be called up 9/1 and should have been up sooner based on play, but I have to assume there is a reason - that isn't the reason in the link.
i think the devers deal got alonso thinking grandiose.
and in a rational world, if devers is worth 313m, it is hard to make an argument alonso isn't worth a lot more than half that.
but pete also needs to be realistic. that deal is an outlier. turning down 200m over whatever duration would be idiotic. the mets should offer him 200m over whatever number of years they want for tax reasons and both sides should take a win.
is there is likely something we don't know about that is pushing the Mets to not call up Mauricio.
I don't mind that if that's the case, but the major caveat I have is that Mauricio *has* to know or it's stupid.
I do think he should be called up 9/1 and should have been up sooner based on play, but I have to assume there is a reason - that isn't the reason in the link.
there were perfectly good reasons why alvarez was going to spend most of this year in AAA too.
none of them stopped him from hitting a bunch of big homers and being the team's best defensive catcher in a long time from day 1.
there's a difference between whatever ideal world the mets think they are living in where it's easy to predict prospect readiness and the real world where unexpected stuff happens every season. im sure they had a bunch of good reasons for their trade deadline moves last year too, but it's an unpredictable game. none of us would have predicted that both ortega and stewart have been significant upgrades on marte.
Need a longer look at Jonathan Arauz duh. Free Ronny, Cortes, McIIwain. I’d actually give Orze a look too but that ones more out there
Lavender also why not.
Not rule 5 eligible until 2024. Doubt they want to start that clock when his walk rate is already a concern. He’ll be there in ST I’m sure
He'll be 24 at the start of next year. Who cares about the clock IMO ofc.
The clock referring to the 40 man. If he comes up and he stinks your options are to DFA him or hold a player on the 40 man that isn't capable of helping the big club. They are already going to have multiple players that fit
Crow 40 man spot until ST
Acuna
Montes De Oca 40 man spot until ST
Josh Walker
If you call up Lavender now and he sucks (and again he has a FIP over 5 and a 4.89 BB/9) , there is no going back.
McIIwain/Cortes/Juarez/Ramirez/Ventura/Orze/Allan/Peroza/Ritter/Consuegra/Jeremiah Jackson as rule 5 eligible. They may have room on the 40 man but they are likely in no rush to add to these decisions. Mauricio obviously doesn't full under this because he's already on the 40 man.
Juarez (for example) is 22 years old with a *career* 2.27 era (this season 1.68). Does it make more sense adding him to the 40 after the season so you don't lose him (and still maintain Lavender)? Only so many of these "dead" spots a team can carry. If a Cortes/McIIwain is added it comes with knowing neither one might be able to help them immediately (Baty/Vientos far better prospects than both).
is there is likely something we don't know about that is pushing the Mets to not call up Mauricio.
I don't mind that if that's the case, but the major caveat I have is that Mauricio *has* to know or it's stupid.
I do think he should be called up 9/1 and should have been up sooner based on play, but I have to assume there is a reason - that isn't the reason in the link.
there were perfectly good reasons why alvarez was going to spend most of this year in AAA too.
none of them stopped him from hitting a bunch of big homers and being the team's best defensive catcher in a long time from day 1.
there's a difference between whatever ideal world the mets think they are living in where it's easy to predict prospect readiness and the real world where unexpected stuff happens every season. im sure they had a bunch of good reasons for their trade deadline moves last year too, but it's an unpredictable game. none of us would have predicted that both ortega and stewart have been significant upgrades on marte.
every case is different. Alvarez, in addition to doing well at his level only needed to be a better option than Nido/Narvaez so it was compelling to call him up.
Mauricio is unlikely to ever be a better option than Lindor, so moving off SS has complicated things for him.
Either way though I think he should have been called up and should be called up, but my point was whether us fans know the story or not, he should know what is preventing it from happening.
Juarez and Rhylan Thomas are my 2 most underrated performers in the system. Juarez on the pitching side and Thomas on the position player side.
Among full season pitchers Daniel Juarez since OD 2022 leads the organization in era (1.67), 2nd in BAA (trailing only @EliAnkeney), leads the organization in whip (0.98), 9th in FIP and will be 23 for the entire 2024 season (rule 5 eligible!)
mauricio has been playing other positions since May
so there was no need for him to outplay lindor. marte was garbage/hurt all year, the DH was non-productive all year, canha started slow and obviously he and pham got traded a month ago, mcneil can play OF or 2b.
view Alvarez and Mauricio's path to the majors being the same in 2023.
I do not.
We can agree to disagree.
post-deadline absolutely. alvarez got his chance when MLB players got hurt not because of his 4 games he played at syracuse. in ST they were very clear they weren't considering him for the MLB roster. they also almost sent him back down mid-may when nido/narvaez were rehabbing. the only reason they didnt was because he got hot and started hitting big homers.
when the mets traded their 2 starting OF's at the trade deadline, or earlier when Marte got hurt, they called up DJ Stewart, Ortega, almonte, arauz, mendick and the like. those were all similar opportunities to call up mauricio, they chose not to.
The Mets haven't had quality internal OF depth in YEARS but no, leave them both down in AAA
exactly. there is literally no justification for some of their decisions except "they prefer vets, even dead end vets".
Cortes has always been a good bat to ball skills hitter. he is 26. he doesn't K a lot. there is no rational reason to not give him a shot over some of the at bats given to almonte, stewart, ortega.
and that's only if there's not a reason to first keep Mauricio buried. one of their top prospects who has 2x 20/20 seasons in a row with big exit velo and has been hitting a steady .300 going back to winter league.
the mets for 2 years have acted like they know for sure their prospects are going to suck and arent even worth giving a chance.
they have only ever gotten MLB chances when forced by injuries. and sometimes not even then.
thing that likely isn't true is Cortes being called an OF/2b. He hasn't played a game at 2b since 2019. Now he can probably slide over there in an emergency but he's not really an OF/2b the way Rowdey Jordan is (41 games at 2b, 41 in CF, 8 in LF, 8 in RF) this season for example but that's not a reason to leave him in Syracuse and/or leave him exposed in the rule 5 without giving him a look.
view Alvarez and Mauricio's path to the majors being the same in 2023.
I do not.
We can agree to disagree.
post-deadline absolutely. alvarez got his chance when MLB players got hurt not because of his 4 games he played at syracuse. in ST they were very clear they weren't considering him for the MLB roster. they also almost sent him back down mid-may when nido/narvaez were rehabbing. the only reason they didnt was because he got hot and started hitting big homers.
when the mets traded their 2 starting OF's at the trade deadline, or earlier when Marte got hurt, they called up DJ Stewart, Ortega, almonte, arauz, mendick and the like. those were all similar opportunities to call up mauricio, they chose not to.
I have no idea what your point is.
I said all along, Mauricio should have been called up, but since he hasn't been my expectation is the Mets have had open communication with him about why. If there is something they feel he needs to work on they aren't secret about it they talk with him and explain it.
If you think you need 1000 words to disagree with that don't bother, I don't even see how my comment is controversial.
I said all along, Mauricio should have been called up, but since he hasn't been my expectation is the Mets have had open communication with him about why. If there is something they feel he needs to work on they aren't secret about it they talk with him and explain it.
If you think you need 1000 words to disagree with that don't bother, I don't even see how my comment is controversial.
my point is very simple in less than 1k words - i disagree with the below including the caveats.
The way I view it is there is likely something we don't know about that is pushing the Mets to not call up Mauricio.
this isn't just 1 prospect, it's multiple. the last 2 years this regime has chosen to play a lot of highly flawed veterans who have done a lot of sucking instead of giving their actual prospects chances. they have called up 34 year old abraham almonte twice and played him in 8 games this month, post-deadline. forget mauricio, what conceivable purpose does that serve over anyone else at syracuse in their 20's? almonte went 1/15 with 8'ks and terrible defense.
has issues with preparation or attitude or something off field the Mets don't feel he should be rewarded with a promotion to the bigs?
Otherwise I have no explanation, but I believe there has to be an explanation.
i was willing to buy that when it was just 1 guy. but first it was vientos, then it was mauricio, and now in august it's a host of guys (cortes, mcillwain, ritter) who have played well over the last several months not getting shots while the #11 and #14 on this list have been rostered all month with #13 getting 2 different call up shots. these are august numbers:
if they all have bad attitudes or preparation problems then there's a deeper issue in the system.
maybe meaningless but syracuse did a pregame interview with mcillwain and their tweet promoting it says "cusp of majors". Sounds like a good head on his shoulders.
Syracuse Mets
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"The game just slows down. It feels awesome."
Need a longer look at Jonathan Arauz duh. Free Ronny, Cortes, McIIwain. I’d actually give Orze a look too but that ones more out there
Lavender also why not.
Not rule 5 eligible until 2024. Doubt they want to start that clock when his walk rate is already a concern. He’ll be there in ST I’m sure
He'll be 24 at the start of next year. Who cares about the clock IMO ofc.
The clock referring to the 40 man. If he comes up and he stinks your options are to DFA him or hold a player on the 40 man that isn't capable of helping the big club. They are already going to have multiple players that fit
Crow 40 man spot until ST
Acuna
Montes De Oca 40 man spot until ST
Josh Walker
If you call up Lavender now and he sucks (and again he has a FIP over 5 and a 4.89 BB/9) , there is no going back.
That's my bad. I thought he was on the 40 already. Alright let's leave him down.
Clenney to Syracuse. Crappy season but fangraphs before the year liked him enough to
Mention him. Said he sits 93 with a 45 slider. At least worth keeping our eye on
Mathew Brownstein
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When I interviewed Jett Williams for @Metsmerized
, he talked about altering his leg kick at the behest of a former coach in the #Mets system.
Jett reverted back to his original mechanics this summer, & has seen vast improvements in his power production.
Mathew Brownstein
@MBrownstein89
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When I interviewed Jett Williams for @Metsmerized
, he talked about altering his leg kick at the behest of a former coach in the #Mets system.
Jett reverted back to his original mechanics this summer, & has seen vast improvements in his power production.
Mathew Brownstein
@MBrownstein89
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When I interviewed Jett Williams for @Metsmerized
, he talked about altering his leg kick at the behest of a former coach in the #Mets system.
Jett reverted back to his original mechanics this summer, & has seen vast improvements in his power production.
Real good coaching there. Wonder who it was.
On that note-
Mike Mayer
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Sources: The Mets have fired director of player development Kevin Howard.
Howard was also the Mets assistant hitting coach for part of the 2021 season.
Michael Marino
@MarinoMLB
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Sources: There has been a huge shakeup in the Mets front office. Kevin Howard, director of player development has been fired as well as Jeff Lebow, Director of Pro Player Evaluation. Other higher ranking officials and analysts said to be fired as well. Changes coming to Mets org.
howard came over from cleveland and started in january 2021 (same month porter got fired)
Lebow, 30, graduated from Cornell University in 2011 and joined the Mets as a Baseball Operations Assistant in 2011. He later became a Baseball Operations Coordinator in 2014 before being promoted to Manager of Professional Scouting earlier this year. he had been promoted by bvw in 2019 to asst scouting director.
and that was asst director of pro scouting for lebow
they were each currently directors of departments the mets FO directly has listed as 10+ person departments.
guess we know who eppler faults for their poor 2022 deadline evaluations and perhaps some of the problems we've seen with lack of development in the last couple years. https://www.mlb.com/mets/team/front-office - ( New Window )
the pitching side the Mets have essentially bought into Driveline's beliefs, hiring multiple people directly from them. Hitting wise, seems like more of a mixed bag no clear "system" I can tell from the outside looking in.
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It started way before these guys....
But its a continuation of the fact that while the #Mets can draft and sometimes develop well....
They have been NOTORIOUSLY bad at self-identifying which players are "MLB caliber" guys.
it will be very interesting to see how this plays out. in terms of prospect development and prospects being ready to handle the big leagues it seemed like things regressed the last couple years. i would imagine there are a lot of jett williams stories.
Michael Marino
@MarinoMLB
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Mets firings are very targeted and very telling. Directors of departments that target Development and Pro Player Evaluation, 2 areas they’ve struggled with immensely. Analytics department looking at a re-tool as well.
Tyler Jay signed from indy ball 2 days ago... already promoted to @SyracuseMets, David Griffin joins him along with Chase Estep (skipping AA) , Geber promoted to @RumblePoniesBB. Palmer also promoted to @SyracuseMets. Jeffrey Colon activated, Luis Montas back to the IL #Mets
it looks like bryan hayes was promoted the month after eppler hired
Lebow was promoted some time in 2022 so eppler also still there. not exactly ringing endorsements of eppler's judgement.
Michael Marino
@MarinoMLB
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Jim Cavallini, hired in 2018 before Cohen
Kevin Howard, hired in 2021 after Cohen
Bryan Hayes, been with org for over 10 years, promoted under Cohen
Jeff Lebow, been with org for over 10 years, promoted under Cohen
3 of 4 either promoted or hired under Steve Cohen’s ownership
Mathew Brownstein
@MBrownstein89
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28m
When I interviewed Jett Williams for @Metsmerized
, he talked about altering his leg kick at the behest of a former coach in the #Mets system.
Jett reverted back to his original mechanics this summer, & has seen vast improvements in his power production.
Real good coaching there. Wonder who it was.
The organization's coaching is caca. I LOLd when Cookie found stunted success with hs slider earlier this season when found a tip from Instagram instead of getting one from his pitching coach. Good on Jett for doing his thing. Jabronis.
obviously he's behind holliday but it's interesting that he's only 1 month older and almost catching up to him in level, so he'd be the 2nd youngest of everyone below. his A+ numbers are competitive with seemingly everyone on this list's A+ numbers, his A+ iso is actually significantly higher than holliday's even.
MLB has the top 5 as 60 grades overall, holliday is a 70 grade, the rest are 55 grade (they also grade Jett at 55).
is there anyone on this list other than holliday who you would definitely take over jett? brooks lee / carson williams look like the first guys im not that tempted to take over jett.
Counsell’s most obvious landing spot could be the Mets, who soon might hire his previous boss in Milwaukee, David Stearns, as president of baseball operations. The Mets on Thursday fired multiple people within their front office, clearing a path for their new top executive to bring in his or her own people. Other teams, though, figure to be interested in Counsell, and possibly willing to dismiss their current managers to get him.
the biggest Jett head on the planet but Keith Law had Mayer #3 best prospect in baseball, BP had him #9 so it's safe to say the "industry" would take him over Jett, Lawlar is a top 15ish prospect for most as is Merrill. That's probably where it ends for me and I'm not saying Jett is nowhere near these guys (Holliday is next level and no, Jett isn't that caliber prospect) so long winded answer I'd probably rank Jett/Montgomery as similar caliber with Holliday head and shoulders above the rest with MVP caliber upside
RE: for the league wide prospect gurus - where should jett be on here?
obviously he's behind holliday but it's interesting that he's only 1 month older and almost catching up to him in level, so he'd be the 2nd youngest of everyone below. his A+ numbers are competitive with seemingly everyone on this list's A+ numbers, his A+ iso is actually significantly higher than holliday's even.
MLB has the top 5 as 60 grades overall, holliday is a 70 grade, the rest are 55 grade (they also grade Jett at 55).
is there anyone on this list other than holliday who you would definitely take over jett? brooks lee / carson williams look like the first guys im not that tempted to take over jett.
It's hard to say because it's more scouting than scouting the stat line/age. If we're going by that then Jett should probably be in the top 20 at this point. His height is causing the disconnect though I'd say. I'd have to look back at Altuve and Pedroia and Bregmann numbers and rankings to see how they were treated and numbers they put up.
1. Biggest prospect bust of '23
2. Biggest riser of '23
3. Favorite "my guy"
4. Guy you're much lower on than the consensus
5. A guy outside the Top 200 who can be Top 50 after next season.
6. A guy you talked up that crashed in '23
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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1.) Brett Baty
2.) uhhh Tyler Stuart I guess?
3.) Marco Vargas
4.) Kevin Parada
5.) Jeremy Rodriguez
6.) also Brett Baty
the biggest Jett head on the planet but Keith Law had Mayer #3 best prospect in baseball, BP had him #9 so it's safe to say the "industry" would take him over Jett, Lawlar is a top 15ish prospect for most as is Merrill. That's probably where it ends for me and I'm not saying Jett is nowhere near these guys (Holliday is next level and no, Jett isn't that caliber prospect) so long winded answer I'd probably rank Jett/Montgomery as similar caliber with Holliday head and shoulders above the rest with MVP caliber upside
yeah just browsing statlines i dont think theres a reasonable case for jett in the top 4 until he performs well at AA. that's just too big of a box checked.
carson williams 31% k-rate at A+ this year though, that's where you can start poking some holes.
1. Biggest prospect bust of '23
2. Biggest riser of '23
3. Favorite "my guy"
4. Guy you're much lower on than the consensus
5. A guy outside the Top 200 who can be Top 50 after next season.
6. A guy you talked up that crashed in '23
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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1.) Brett Baty
2.) uhhh Tyler Stuart I guess?
3.) Marco Vargas
4.) Kevin Parada
5.) Jeremy Rodriguez
6.) also Brett Baty
1. Biggest prospect bust of '23 - Alex Ramirez
2. Biggest riser of '23 - Tie between Stuart and Scott but that's now complicated with injuries
3. Favorite "my guy" - Jacob Reimer
4. Guy you're much lower on than the consensus - Mauricio
5. A guy outside the Top 200 who can be Top 50 after next season. - Is Tidwell top 200? Probably so I'll go Ronald Hernandez
6. A guy you talked up that crashed in '23 - Baty at MLB level
1. Biggest prospect bust of '23 - Alex Ramirez
2. Biggest riser of '23 - Christian Scott
3. Favorite "my guy" - Jett Williams (I know it's kind BSs because he's arguably their top prospect but I've been team Jett since pre-draft! Otherwise Jesus Baez bad 2023 and all
4. Guy you're much lower on than the consensus - Parada
5. A guy outside the Top 200 who can be Top 50 after next season. - Ziegler/Hernandez
6. A guy you talked up that crashed in '23 - Alex Ramirez
savant upgraded their graphics for their percentiles
here's baty and vientos (his numbers are grayed bc he doesnt have enough playing time to qualify):
short version, vientos hits the ball harder, baty more polished.
baty has 5x as many attempts at 3b as vientos, so their defense by rate is comparable.
interesting that they both have graded poorly coming in on balls but baty grades better going toward 3b while vientos grades better going toward 1b.
at first in very sss vientos graded out well.
both players clearly have talent, mets need to do a better job of judging and developing guys like this or else someone else will just like the west coast mets (SFG) have while mets had to overpay for replacement level players.
Tweet from Gammons. Says the “feeling” Mets is the Mets will be hiring a POBO within the next 2 weeks. I can’t imagine the Brewers would let Stearns leave before his contract is up (especially given their past behavior)
Tweet from Gammons. Says the “feeling” Mets is the Mets will be hiring a POBO within the next 2 weeks. I can’t imagine the Brewers would let Stearns leave before his contract is up (especially given their past behavior)
i think martino made a comment around the trade deadline that steve cohen and stearns were going to meet just as happened with theo epstein and see if they click with each other, but specifically mentioned it would happen in september. not sure if that's a point when stearns contract is technically considered ended or what. his deal has always seemed unique and this year he obviously wasn't full time.
the way the mets are acting they seem to have some candidates identified for POBO as opposed to another wide ranging search from square 1.
Gammons maybe getting a scoop any chance Theo is the pobo?
Martinos story about Theo a couple months ago made that sound closer to happening than it seemed at the time, maybe this year made cohen desperate enough?
of mine is a Red Sox fan, but said if the Mets get Theo in some capacity he'd become a Mets fan.
he loves Theo and he's always loved Piazza, so is itching for a reason to become a Mets fan.
i honestly never considered it since it didnt happen 2 years ago but this article from martino was kind of shocking to me a couple months ago because i dont remember the theo/mets rumors feeling inevitable 2 years ago, i remember it feeling like a long shot.
if you are cohen, and you went through all the pains of other owners blocking interviews and all the money spent to not yet get a single playoff win, i feel like i'd think back often on the lunch with the guy who wins championships everywhere and wonder if maybe it's worth another try if it was a real possibility.
that said looking back on martino's recent article, the bold seems notable re stearns given the recent FO reshuffling. not sure why martino would speculate august/september if he didnt have some kind of explicit info since the common understanding re stearns is that he's under contract.
Quote:
In the fall of 2021, the entire baseball world seemed to be trying to arrange a marriage between new Mets owner Steve Cohen and future Hall of Fame executive Theo Epstein. One day in October, the two met, didn’t hit it off, and moved on.
The same sense of external inevitability has now affixed itself to Cohen and David Stearns, the former president of baseball operations for the team currently in town playing the Mets, the Milwaukee Brewers. The two will probably meet for the first time in August or September, and then decide if they want another conversation.
talks reportedly ended before they began when Theo indicated he wanted to be an owner with his next stop.
Cohen IIRC termed it as a phone call with Theo not an interview and he was very complimentary of him.
My stance is I would do it. the Wilpons maintained an ownership interest I believe (with Saul Katz) so why not give Theo an ownership interest in his comp package - contingent on winning a title.
Win a title you get 1%, something like that.
Which if the Mets are valued at $3B (I have no idea what it is now, when Cohen bought the team I think it was $2.4B), that gives Theo $30M (in ownership equity) to win a title - plus whatever his other comp is. I think Cohen should do that and I think Theo should too.
I don't think Theo, or any othe POBO type, should be hired and given
part ownership of the team. It sets a bad precedent and is incredibly entitled. Tends to show me this is about the person than it is the organization. he'd be paid handsomely. Is that not enough? Toss off I'd say.
The Lightning gave Steve Yzerman ownership points to become GM. When/if he left (and he did) there was a clause the majority owner had the option to buy the ownership stake back at a preset price.
It's really up to the owner, your and my opinions are valid as our opinions, but irrelevant.
The Lightning gave Steve Yzerman ownership points to become GM. When/if he left (and he did) there was a clause the majority owner had the option to buy the ownership stake back at a preset price.
It's really up to the owner, your and my opinions are valid as our opinions, but irrelevant.
It's hardly ever done anywhere around the world for a reason. Answer should be a clear no. The Mets are an extremely valuable asset. Nobody gets a piece of it. Do the job & get paid handsomely for it. That's it.
The Lightning gave Steve Yzerman ownership points to become GM. When/if he left (and he did) there was a clause the majority owner had the option to buy the ownership stake back at a preset price.
It's really up to the owner, your and my opinions are valid as our opinions, but irrelevant.
It's hardly ever done anywhere around the world for a reason. Answer should be a clear no. The Mets are an extremely valuable asset. Nobody gets a piece of it. Do the job & get paid handsomely for it. That's it.
Again, it's not up to you or me.
I can see both sides to it.
If you get the right FO person and they lead the franchise to a championship (or many) the value of the franchise increases (a lot in some cases), why not let them share in that?
If as an owner winning is the priority and money is secondary I can see it making sense for both parties.
You cannot. And that's cool, but neither of us is an owner and it's not up to us.
2 days ago Martino insinuated Stearns isn’t a given to be the hire so it’s safe to suggest they probably aren’t hiring him in 2 weeks.
“ In essence, these moves could represent the first collaboration between general manager Billy Eppler and an incoming president of baseball operations like David Stearns, who remains an active possibility but not a certainty to join the Mets, according to league sources.”
So unless Martino is completely out of the loop, this sounds like a whole lot of nothing.
“Owner Steve Cohen retains trust in Eppler to make major decisions, as evidenced by these firings. No matter who the Mets hire as POBO, Eppler will remain a trusted, high-ranking voice in Cohen’s organization.
Still, the Mets will not replace the employees let go this week until the POBO situation is resolved -- namely, if Cohen, Stearns and Eppler decide to work together. Then that group will identify incoming heads of player development and pro scouting.
Part of the reason for executing the moves in late August was to provide the departing employees time to talk to other clubs while still under contract.
For now, player development will be run by committee, with assistant director of player development Andrew Christie and director of minor league operations Ronny Reyes continuing in influential roles, sources said.“
Positive side of Battenfield is 3 of the more analytically inclined/successful pitching organizations have been interested him. Flip side, all 3 have now give up on him. Decent enough waiver grab
if they arent playing him and vientos every day why did they bother calling him back up. dj stewart and vogelbach don't need to play every day, baty playing some LF in real games shouldnt be off the table if they want to see vientos at 3b.
if they arent playing him and vientos every day why did they bother calling him back up. dj stewart and vogelbach don't need to play every day, baty playing some LF in real games shouldnt be off the table if they want to see vientos at 3b.
Seidler
“ If you believe he’s been successfully reset you probably shouldn’t be sitting him in game 2 of the new era against a righty with typical splits”
if they arent playing him and vientos every day why did they bother calling him back up. dj stewart and vogelbach don't need to play every day, baty playing some LF in real games shouldnt be off the table if they want to see vientos at 3b.
Seidler
“ If you believe he’s been successfully reset you probably shouldn’t be sitting him in game 2 of the new era against a righty with typical splits”
it's insanity. dj stewart and vogelbach have earned playing time but they dont both need to be in there every day. pick 1 of them, play baty whereve the open spot is. this is not rocket science.
getting himself a good start at AA ahead of what sets up to be a nice rising year next year. if he can stick at catcher and hit in AA he will get himself back into the midseason top 50 convo. https://twitter.com/SNY_Mets/status/1698123998343705054?s=20 - ( New Window )
St. Lucie with an early start. Morabito 0-1, BB, SB, Hernandez 0-1, K, McLean 0-1, BB, K, Lorusso 0-2, 2 k's (very rough go of it for him), Lara 1-2, 2B, SB, K (very nice season).
Maybe the oddest stat-line in @mets system C/1B/DH Jose Hernandez is hitting .213 with a .368 OBP thanks to 23 walks and yet has also struck out 43 times over 106 ab's (he just tripled).
Dominguez who had TJ way back in March 2022 is now again throwing. Must have had a setback or something but good to see him back or headed in that direction.
@AnthonyDiComo
Starling Marte (groin) said he hopes to play again this year after working with a physical therapist who has helped Tiger Woods and Sidney Crosby.
If he doesn't continue to progress, however, Marte may need to reprise the same surgery he underwent last November all over again.
The fact Marte's groin is still an issue in September, second surgery or not... no way can they pencil him in as the starting RF in 2024 if they want to compete
Another putrid outing for Justin Jarvis 2 innings 3 hits 5 runs 4 walks 3 k’s. He’s rule 5 eligible.. presumably they will protect him but he’s been that bad #Mets
@RumblePoniesBB have opened up a 5 game lead over Portland for the final playoff spot after winning 7 straight games. Bing has 6 vs. Hartford and 6 vs. Reading remaining, Portland also has 6 with Hartford and 6 with Reading remaining #Mets
@BKCyclones
and Jersey Shore are now an identical 34-26 this half, tied for the division lead (and playoff spot). Brooklyn's final 6 games are against Wilmington (last place in the SAL North) JS finishes up with Hudson Valley (4th place). Ventura on the mound tonight
Nola leads all NL starters in ER's allowed, these FA SPers are not having good walk years and Urias case is an absolute POS.
in a way it's not the worst thing in a year with a lot of options. i assume at least a few of them didnt forget how to pitch or see their stuff regress. smart teams will find the ones who were unlucky and perhaps get a discount.
it's easier to overpay for past performance when recent past performance demands it. contracts are most tied to past performance even though team is looking for future performance. in normal years im sure the best bets for the future overlap with whoever had a good statistical year and then that player gets the biggest contract. this year will likely be more of a difficult to predict market.
i know we would prefer to not give up the cost of QO, but it also may create a less competitive market for whoever the right pitcher is. the most important thing is getting right whoever the next wheeler/gausman is.
is a damn near lock to receive a QO. The owner has proven he will spend on his team and he's still on pace for 203.1 innings. He shouldn't even be on the Mets radar. Down season, 2 picks, and a ton of pool money? Hard pass. I doubt they even consider him.
is a damn near lock to receive a QO. The owner has proven he will spend on his team and he's still on pace for 203.1 innings. He shouldn't even be on the Mets radar. Down season, 2 picks, and a ton of pool money? Hard pass. I doubt they even consider him.
Little to no risk for the Phillies. A team will likely give him a multi-year deal and if they don't and he comes back for 1 year with a 4 million dollar raise, so be it. FA SP market suddenly doesn't look all that great.
Yamamoto in his own category as presumably only so many teams will be on his wishlist.
Won't even bother considering Kershaw as a FA. Here are the "top" names Stroman, Snell, Morton (he's not leaving ATL), Rodriguez, Montgomery, Lynn (awful season), Lorenzen, Giolito (very poor season, trending the wrong way). I think Nola is a 100% lock barring late season injury.
yamamoto is the no brainer the 2nd SP is the interesting one
i could see them preferring another lefty, montgomery seems like a very clear target.
i wouldnt hate buying low on giolito.
nola was 4th in CY last year so he is interesting bc if he'd have followed that up with another good year he would have been looking at a massive deal. now with the QO who knows?
a lot of it is homers and his expected homers are 4 fewer than actual even though he's allowed harder contact. he has gotten barreled up 2% more this year than career which is significant, but also only a difference in 2/100 total events. i wouldn't be surprised if he ends up back to PHI on a 1 year deal to try to hit the market free next year or if someone gambles $150m for 5 years on him hoping they got a discount on what he would have been worth coming off a CY year.
btw as a fan this is where it feels hardest with the new stats to have
a strong opinion one way or another. that decision is entirely based on whatever the analytics are saying about the trends with pitch effectiveness, break/drop, spin rates, and about a million other factors.
i dont care which 2 sp they choose, with however much $ they've spent on adding bodies in the FO just get it right.
be absolutely stunned if the Mets and Cohen talk about building up the farm and then punt 2nd and 5th round picks, 2+ million in pool money, 1 million in IFA money for a 31 year old Aaron Nola coming off Lowest K/9 since his rookie season, highest HR/9 of his career, worst FIP of his career.
Updated... @mets have *at least* 11 P's rehabbing from TJ. I say at least because some P's have missed X time without a known injury/issue being announced #Mets
Mets named on BA's top tools in AA. Link - ( New Window )
I retract this statement, Acuna (listed as a member of the Rangers) was named Best Baserunner in the Texas League (not the fastest). I admittedly didn't think to look there #Mets
Some roster moves-Chase Estep returns to @BKCyclones from Syracuse, rejoining him in Brooklyn will be Benito Garcia and Kolby Kubichek (both returning from @RumblePoniesBB) #Mets
@BaseballAmerica updated top 100 prospects Acuna #60 Gilbert #81 Clifford #92 Jett Williams #93
Laughable with Jett.
BA tends to be more "traditional" with its scouting emphasizing body type like you are selling jeans or searching for Fabio. Jett Williams lack of size and loud tools knock him down.
@BaseballAmerica updated top 100 prospects Acuna #60 Gilbert #81 Clifford #92 Jett Williams #93
Laughable with Jett.
BA tends to be more "traditional" with its scouting emphasizing body type like you are selling jeans or searching for Fabio. Jett Williams lack of size and loud tools knock him down.
I understand that and commented as such in this thread but still makes it a bit of a joke. I think Jett was 98 coming into this year by BA and with the season he's having/graduations he's only moved up 5 spots?
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
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Carlos Carrasco broke his pinky finger Sunday when a 50-pound dumbbell fell on it, Buck Showalter said. He had surgery on it.
Arnold refused to answer how close the Brewers may or may not have been for Alonso. Praised Alonso, said they spoke to a ton of teams about a ton of players.
Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
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Edwin Díaz (recovery from knee surgery) is with the Mets in Washington and tentatively scheduled to travel with them the rest of the way. He has two bullpens scheduled this road trip, and the Mets want him to throw those in front of Jeremy Hefner and the training staff.
Jose Peroza activated by @RumblePoniesBB, Jack Wenninger promoted to @stluciemets, Jefrey De Los Santos joining him from @BKCyclones, David Griffin to @RumblePoniesBB, Kevin Villavicencio to the FCL
Source says he heard the Mets did in fact “exchange names” in the sense it was more than “nope we won’t trade Pete” with the Brewers but nothing was ever remotely close as Milwaukee considered Chourio untouchable in any deal and the Mets ask was Chourio and “at least one more top name” in their system. So within FG range they were not. Chourio was a must for both sides per the source aka wasn’t happening.
Tidwell got bombed in Bing and had an inning where his velocity dropped. Something to monitor.
From DeMayo
He let up back-to-back home runs in the 4th on fastballs clocked on stadium gun at 91 and 92. Trainer came and visited but Tidwell stayed in and velo was back for next batter before being removed
Both Portland and Bing lost last night, Bing lead remains 5 with 12 remaining (Portland does hold the tiebreaker). Bing is remarkably 8 games over .500 despite a -9 RD over the second half of the season. Losing both Scott/Stuart to the IL obviously doesn't help
I completely understand not wanting to add Vasil/Lavender because they are 2024 rule 5 eligible, but why not add a guy like Orze, see what he has a for a few weeks, see if maybe he's worth sending to the AFL and if not... so be it
Some roster moves-Cristopher Gomez, Christopher Vasquez, 6th round pick Jack Wenninger and Wilson Lopez to the FCL (presumably their seasons are over), 3rd round pick Kade Morris promoted to @stluciemets (guessing he starts today),Yeral Martinez activated from the TIL #Mets
@SyracuseMets has Lucchesi going (expected to join the Mets rotation full-time shortly) and @BKCyclones (up 1 game in their playoff race) have Felipe De La Cruz looking to post his 3rd straight strong start post promotion #
Bit of a deep sleeper for me for 2024 (fully admitting I have no clue what his health status currently is) Cole Gordon. Gordon had TJ in2022 he's a huge framed kid who was one of the first college RP @mets opted to make a SP. *Could* see time with the big club next season #Mets
Jonah Tong has had an odd season. Late start to his year (unclear why?) more walks than innings pitched (with 15 more k's than innings) and yet they liked his performance enough to earn a promotion. Won't be 21 until next June #Mets
@SyracuseMets has Mike Vasil starting tonight. He's +37.2 innings vs. 2022 @RumblePoniesBB has Joander Suarez coming off a 6 no-hit inning debut for them with fellow rule 5 eligible Daniel Juarez pitching game 2. @BKCyclones has Jawilme Ramirez who has struggled in 2023 #Mets
one that really comes to mind is Matt Klentak (he was the Phillies GM at like 36 years old) and very well thought of before being hired by them. Otherwise, you don't really hear much about the Brewers GO outside of Matt Arnold. I guess somewhat notable would be Jeremy Accardo who left here to join the Brewers organization so there is some familiarity there.
sort of on the topic here's a good article on the FO restrictions
and mlb front office workers consideration of unionization bc of it.
talk about an area ripe for cohen to spend a relatively insignificant sum of money (10-20m) in an effort to make himself look like robin hood while strengthening his organization.
Omar wanted Jeff to add Stearns to their payroll. Jeff said there was no money in the budget. So Omar clearly saw "something".
it's crazy he's still only 38 now, so the league office hired him when he was 23, cleveland hired him as a director when he was about 26, and a year later at 27 luhnow hired him as a special asst. so he seems to have been a star in the making to everyone he came in contact the entire period before milwaukee made him the youngest GM in mlb at 30, which was only 8 years after graduating harvard.
as someone who was always a little luke warm on his inclusion at the same tier as beane/theo as we've had a year or so to look deeper expecting this possibility, the more you dig the more there is to like.
I'm completely blanking the last time the Mets had a SP prospect make all 3 major prospect lists (BA/BP/MLB) was... 2016!
i think dunn, ginn, allan, and peterson each made lists but almost certainly accurate that they were consensus.
swr i think may have been consensus after getting traded to TOR, but when peterson is far and away the best outcome in almost a decade that's nothing to brag about.
with the Pirates while with Harvard, was Omar's intern 2007-2008. Some point in there he was also an intern for the Cyclones. One name he mentioned in one of those interviews (not even sure where he is now) Adam Fisher.
it wouldnt surprise me if stearns brings in someone he likes with media experience since that is 1 area where NY is going to be different for him, but that's also one of the biggest things Eppler will probably continue to do. it's probably the thing stearns is most relieved to have him there for. im not the worlds biggest omar fan but i suspect him coming back would be mostly figurehead, though id imagine its a long shot since cohen/sandy fired him day 1.
when i was on the mets fo directory the other day i notice ricco is still there as svp/chief of staff. i think he was another guy stearns mentioned being fond of from his met days.
it wouldnt surprise me if stearns brings in someone he likes with media experience since that is 1 area where NY is going to be different for him, but that's also one of the biggest things Eppler will probably continue to do. it's probably the thing stearns is most relieved to have him there for. im not the worlds biggest omar fan but i suspect him coming back would be mostly figurehead, though id imagine its a long shot since cohen/sandy fired him day 1.
when i was on the mets fo directory the other day i notice ricco is still there as svp/chief of staff. i think he was another guy stearns mentioned being fond of from his met days.
Omar was brought back by Cohen as an "ambassador" before the Yankees gave him a real job so it doesn't appear to be anything personal (and there were rumblings for years Sandy/Omar weren't besties, might have been as simple as that)
"After billionaire owner Steve Cohen took over in Nov. 2020, Minaya was fired from the front office but came back as ambassador for the team in a role he described as marketing and outreach."
Doubtful Cohen/Omar have any issues as Omar is close with Cohen's wife and father in-law and again, he was brought back after being fired.
Mets: Nolan McLean, TWP (No. 23)
New York was clear when it took the former Oklahoma State star in the third round that it planned to let him play two ways to begin his Minor League career. He’s done that so far, showing off loud tools on both sides of the ball. He’s already touched 97.5 mph in his first pitching appearance while mixing in a low-90s slider and a low-80s curveball for Single-A St. Lucie, and his first hit was a 102 mph rocket for a homer in the FCL. McLean still projects best on the bump, but the raw power might earn him a few more at-bats as he climbs toward Queens.
Mets: Nolan McLean, TWP (No. 23)
New York was clear when it took the former Oklahoma State star in the third round that it planned to let him play two ways to begin his Minor League career. He’s done that so far, showing off loud tools on both sides of the ball. He’s already touched 97.5 mph in his first pitching appearance while mixing in a low-90s slider and a low-80s curveball for Single-A St. Lucie, and his first hit was a 102 mph rocket for a homer in the FCL. McLean still projects best on the bump, but the raw power might earn him a few more at-bats as he climbs toward Queens.
The blurb is kind of funny mentioning his "first" hit. He has 1 hit, 1/7 with 5 k's. No issue with them letting him DH for now but he's almost certainly a full-time P soonish.
Justin Rocke
@JustinRocke
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5m
With one more walk, @BKCyclones
shortstop Jett Williams will become the first teenager in @MiLB
to reach the century mark in free passes since the stat portal began in 2005.
Williams enters Thursday tied for 3rd in MiLB in walks with 99.
If @mets were hoping to "hide" Joander Suarez (rule 5 eligible) he's blowing that plan to smithereens. 12 no-hit innings to begin his AA career. Acuna 1-1 as well #Mets
Another WOW..... Joander Suarez last start with @BKCyclones he pitched 6 innings allowing *1* hit. So over his last *19* innings he's allowed *1* hit and yes, I too was curious, the hit came in the 2nd inning... 18...18! No hit innings for Joander Suarez. Absolutely absurd #Mets
Low to mid 90's FB, good slider, the knock on him was always command and lack of an average 3rd pitch but he's always been a "could be a legit prospect". He's not suddenly some big-time ace or something but quite the run.
Peter Gammons
@pgammo
As several organizational changes hit the Mets yesterday, the feeling with those remaining is the new President of Baseball Operations will be named within two weeks.
5:57 AM · Sep 1, 2023
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would imagine if the mets are going to make an announcement "within 2 weeks" it will be early next week and not on a friday but would also think if it's typical contractual/hr stuff getting finalized they'd want that stuff done before the last minute of an official pr announcement so maybe we get some more reports leaking out in the next few days?
the reports earlier this week re 'talks accelerating' and 'moving towards a deal' read like finalizing contracts/background checks type stuff.
@BKCyclones .5 lead over JS for the playoffs will send Saul Garcia out there tonight. His first start BK was solid until running into trouble in the 4th @RumblePoniesBB in a playoff race of their own will start Jordan Geber who was outstanding last time out #Mets
Ramsay has dropped Ramirez from his top 30, I think that's a little much for a guy who will be 21 next season but he's certainly fallen from a top 5 guy, to for me in the 12-20 range.
Ramsay has dropped Ramirez from his top 30, I think that's a little much for a guy who will be 21 next season but he's certainly fallen from a top 5 guy, to for me in the 12-20 range.
as long as the D in CF is still good it should keep him relevant in at least a lagares/mdd sort of way. plus D in CF is a carrying tool that will give him 2-3 years more development time with the bat that others wouldn't get.
not putting together my list until after the season (and I've been openly critical of how bad Ramirez has been this season) but 1 bad season at 20 to me doesn't = there are 30 superior prospects in a good/improving but not elite system (or any quite frankly). Still runs well, still has a good frame, good arm, walks at a decent enough rate. He'll be in the 12-20 range for me.
not putting together my list until after the season (and I've been openly critical of how bad Ramirez has been this season) but 1 bad season at 20 to me doesn't = there are 30 superior prospects in a good/improving but not elite system (or any quite frankly). Still runs well, still has a good frame, good arm, walks at a decent enough rate. He'll be in the 12-20 range for me.
more raw power than the mdd/lagares types too right? even at the big league level with proven players it seems like sometimes guys need a bad season as a wake up call that talent isnt everything.
id imagine in ramirez' case now seeing a depth chart of cf'ers above him like gilbert, maybe jett/acuna, has some kind of impact on him. even mcillwain in the sense that just last year he started at A+ now he's on verge of the 40 man.
hopefully ramirez has the right kind of reaction to the new reality of his situation and he realizes he needs to step up for his spot.
don't know what to make of his lack of power in 2023. At 19 (in Brooklyn aka same level/ballpark) .150 ISO, .427 slug. 2023 .098 ISO, .322 slug, his BABIP is well below his career marks so that also lends to the idea he's making weak contact given his speed.
don't know what to make of his lack of power in 2023. At 19 (in Brooklyn aka same level/ballpark) .150 ISO, .427 slug. 2023 .098 ISO, .322 slug, his BABIP is well below his career marks so that also lends to the idea he's making weak contact given his speed.
right it's fewer xbh. last year in brookly in half the games he had 23 xbh, this year he has 29 in twice as many games. that is almost the entire difference.
a positive way of looking at that is his entire regression was fewer than 20 batted balls having a different outcome. there could have been a few more hard hit balls that fielders caught, which the babip would indicate is possible.
his line drive rate went down and the flyball rate went up so maybe he was trying to hit more homers? he also went to CF more and pulled the ball less, which should impacts exit velocity negatively because pull side is going to be harder contact for most. more infield flyballs is a negative across the board. if we had full batted ball data id be curious to see if there were more 350foot 100mph+ flyball outs, especially to CF. it may have been his approach was wrong and he wasted mistakes where he made good contact but just hit the ball to places he doesnt have enough power to capitalize on.
really looking forward to exit velo throughout all the levels but looking at the batted ball %'s id guess his exit velo went down a little bit and he'd be better off finding a way to hit more line drives again.
pipeline has dropped him to 11 and BA to 12, so it's fair to say the "industry" is also down on him.
Part of those drops was better prospects coming in from trades above him - but yes generally any prospect who has a bad season is going to drop, it’s always a question of degree and whether or not something fundamental happened that lowers value (like a position switch).
Was a top 100ish prospect with hopes he’d vault into a top 50 or so. Instead it’s probably in the 200+ range if he’s 11-12 in the Mets system. My point is, he’s probably not crushing the ball and yet slugging .322 or getting OBP 23% of the time the last 2 months
Should be a fun today to follow the farm. 15 innings of @RumblePoniesBB (suspended game + full game) with Tidwell starting game 2. Brooklyn can clinch the playoff with a win or JS loss. If BK loses and JS wins... JS wins the tiebreaker #Mets
if i saw the right hightlight it looked like jett smoked another one
Yup. Hit a bomb. Was talking to a writer and one of the "concerns" is that he has absolutely maxed out his exit velocities in terms of his power production. Some players do have an ability do this apparently, Bregman oddly being the example I was given. I'm admittedly Jett fan #1 but it was explained to me that players perceived to be "maxing out" their tools (or a specific tool) in the lower minors will sometimes get a "side eye" from the community. He agreed if Williams were 5'10 he'd get more "love" but that's tied into what I said above.
This matters more for the Mets than for other clubs because of those luxury-tax penalties. Because their major-league payroll this year is (way) more than $40 million over the first level of the tax, they will get docked 10 spots for their first draft selection next year. But again, the top six choices are protected, tax penalties or no tax penalties.
If they don’t land a top-six pick, the Mets will be 17th at best. They cannot get into the Nos. 7-16 range.
All this is relevant for money reasons, too. Each slot in the draft comes with a “slot value,” or a recommended signing bonus. The amount of cash a club can commit to draft picks is capped based on these slot values.
The No. 6 pick in the draft this year, for example, came with a slot value of $6.63 million. That is a huge number.
The No. 17 pick came with a slot value of $4.17 million.
Those numbers tick up each year, but getting into the top six basically would allow the Mets to spend an additional $2.5 million — at least — to bring high-level talent into their farm system.
Jordan Geber has been a very quality UDFA pick-up for @mets. Probably just organizational SP depth but still only 24. 9 scoreless since being promoted to @RumblePoniesBB
This matters more for the Mets than for other clubs because of those luxury-tax penalties. Because their major-league payroll this year is (way) more than $40 million over the first level of the tax, they will get docked 10 spots for their first draft selection next year. But again, the top six choices are protected, tax penalties or no tax penalties.
If they don’t land a top-six pick, the Mets will be 17th at best. They cannot get into the Nos. 7-16 range.
All this is relevant for money reasons, too. Each slot in the draft comes with a “slot value,” or a recommended signing bonus. The amount of cash a club can commit to draft picks is capped based on these slot values.
The No. 6 pick in the draft this year, for example, came with a slot value of $6.63 million. That is a huge number.
The No. 17 pick came with a slot value of $4.17 million.
Those numbers tick up each year, but getting into the top six basically would allow the Mets to spend an additional $2.5 million — at least — to bring high-level talent into their farm system.
Thanks again for this Dan. It really is the key to getting talent this season. Hope the NYM tank these meaningless games and avoid those penalties.
This matters more for the Mets than for other clubs because of those luxury-tax penalties. Because their major-league payroll this year is (way) more than $40 million over the first level of the tax, they will get docked 10 spots for their first draft selection next year. But again, the top six choices are protected, tax penalties or no tax penalties.
If they don’t land a top-six pick, the Mets will be 17th at best. They cannot get into the Nos. 7-16 range.
All this is relevant for money reasons, too. Each slot in the draft comes with a “slot value,” or a recommended signing bonus. The amount of cash a club can commit to draft picks is capped based on these slot values.
The No. 6 pick in the draft this year, for example, came with a slot value of $6.63 million. That is a huge number.
The No. 17 pick came with a slot value of $4.17 million.
Those numbers tick up each year, but getting into the top six basically would allow the Mets to spend an additional $2.5 million — at least — to bring high-level talent into their farm system.
Thanks again for this Dan. It really is the key to getting talent this season. Hope the NYM tank these meaningless games and avoid those penalties.
It would be HUGE to have the pick protected vs. move down
Dayum. This kid might be up with the big club in 2025 at this rate. My guess would be that they hold him off till 26 though cuz of the glut they've got. Kid is for real.
Completely guessing but my assumption is Acuna slides over to 2b. Williams has only played 5 games in the OF over his last 36 and has yet to play a pro game at 2b. I'm talking exclusively about for the remainder of 2023.
called up by Cubs. What I wouldnt do right now to have him penciled in as the OD 2024 CF.
this could look really stupid but i think he's a bit overrated. his k-rate has increased every level in the minors, almost 30% in AAA this year. his AAA ops was 829, wrc was 105.
his .271 batting average is fine, but supported by a .368 babip. mauricio was hitting .293 with a .323 babip. mauricios AAA ops was 852 with a 108 wrc. we know mauricio has elite ev so it's hard for me to say that a 368 babip is explainable by that.
mauricio is a year older so this isn't exactly apples to apples, and obviously there is a value on very good defense in CF. but i think PCA's trend would lead me to guess that his bat has some struggles adjusting to the big leagues similar to what we've seen from the 3 prospects whose bats were all on a similar level and if anything more accomplished. the bat to ball skills that have so far given mauricio the best transition are more similar to the mets prior call ups.
obviously having 5 high end young guys would be better than 4 but other than the ability to play CF it's hard for me to pick something out from PCA beyond what the other 4 have, and as we've seen breaking in 3 or 4 young guys is hard enough.
called up by Cubs. What I wouldnt do right now to have him penciled in as the OD 2024 CF.
this could look really stupid but i think he's a bit overrated. his k-rate has increased every level in the minors, almost 30% in AAA this year. his AAA ops was 829, wrc was 105.
his .271 batting average is fine, but supported by a .368 babip. mauricio was hitting .293 with a .323 babip. mauricios AAA ops was 852 with a 108 wrc. we know mauricio has elite ev so it's hard for me to say that a 368 babip is explainable by that.
mauricio is a year older so this isn't exactly apples to apples, and obviously there is a value on very good defense in CF. but i think PCA's trend would lead me to guess that his bat has some struggles adjusting to the big leagues similar to what we've seen from the 3 prospects whose bats were all on a similar level and if anything more accomplished. the bat to ball skills that have so far given mauricio the best transition are more similar to the mets prior call ups.
obviously having 5 high end young guys would be better than 4 but other than the ability to play CF it's hard for me to pick something out from PCA beyond what the other 4 have, and as we've seen breaking in 3 or 4 young guys is hard enough.
His bat will play with his 80 grade D. Look at the play he made tonight already. He isn't going to be a huge power guy but he'll hit enough.
with the glove he'll be a big leaguer and prob a regular. my point isn't to knock him as a prospect, just saying i dont see him on some different level from the guys they have. the glove is better than the 3 non-alvarez and the bat is probably behind all 4.
knowing nimmo should be good in CF from now until gilbert/acuna/jett arrive, would you trade with certainty any of the mets 4 rookies for him?
with the glove he'll be a big leaguer and prob a regular. my point isn't to knock him as a prospect, just saying i dont see him on some different level from the guys they have. the glove is better than the 3 non-alvarez and the bat is probably behind all 4.
knowing nimmo should be good in CF from now until gilbert/acuna/jett arrive, would you trade with certainty any of the mets 4 rookies for him?
for me definitely not alvarez. the other 3 are all maybes that would depend on whether or not i believed (or didnt) in their off field makeups. https://x.com/M_Montemurro/status/1701762706540220695?s=20 - ( New Window )
That's fair and I really just want him in the system still as he never should have been dealt as we know. Nimmo wasn't as good in CF this year and having PCA in CF and Nimmo in a corner looks better to me. He should have been another piece in the puzzle.
RE: RE: ha i just posted the catch on the stearns thread
with the glove he'll be a big leaguer and prob a regular. my point isn't to knock him as a prospect, just saying i dont see him on some different level from the guys they have. the glove is better than the 3 non-alvarez and the bat is probably behind all 4.
knowing nimmo should be good in CF from now until gilbert/acuna/jett arrive, would you trade with certainty any of the mets 4 rookies for him?
for me definitely not alvarez. the other 3 are all maybes that would depend on whether or not i believed (or didnt) in their off field makeups. https://x.com/M_Montemurro/status/1701762706540220695?s=20 - ( New Window )
That's fair and I really just want him in the system still as he never should have been dealt as we know. Nimmo wasn't as good in CF this year and having PCA in CF and Nimmo in a corner looks better to me. He should have been another piece in the puzzle.
no real disagreement there i just think there's some revisionism with the trade. in '21 they had those big 4, plus allen/ginn. PCA was out with shoulder surgery and basically pre-debut. they were sitting in first place hoping to get syndergaard/jdg back for playoffs.
to get a good player at the deadline you are usually giving up a top 7 prospect, they got a good player just not the right good player. and obviously they gave up on the wrong prospect way too soon. sort of evened out when they got bassitt for ginn though since he seems like a total bust. but again apparently targeted the wrong "good player" since they didnt bring bassitt back for whatever reason.
hopefully stearns brings some coherence to choosing the right guys going forward. that was something he was pretty good at in milwaukee. yelich was one of the right guys.
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Wyatt Langford hit another HR yesterday and is now up to 7 HR and 8 SB in 34 G with a .342/.457/.659 slash line and more walks (26) than strikeouts (23).
He's my #2 overall prospect and I'm tempted to put him #1 overall.
going to have to be these 2 lists as BP has traditionally not been high on Mauricio and I can't imagine that position changing over the next 2 weeks. So BA and Pipeline are probably his best bet.
He is one of many of these prospects that’s going to propel the mets to be a powerhouse in the years to come. I have it on good authority that he’ll be a 50 HR guy if he can cut down on Ks.
He is one of many of these prospects that’s going to propel the mets to be a powerhouse in the years to come. I have it on good authority that he’ll be a 50 HR guy if he can cut down on Ks.
I like Clifford very much. That said, he is like Alonso: a 1 1/2 tool guy. Power a major plus tool. Hit an average tool.
Jett should be ranked much higher, and I am in agreement 100% with Dan on his contention that Jett is the top prospect in the Mets system, particularly after his performance this year. Jett could conceivably be a Biggio-type
Both tall LH bats. Clifford doesn't have the weight. Like Duda, Clifford likely to hit in the .230s, with plenty of walks and high K totals, with a lot of power. Both 1B/corner OF.
And to my point, I'd comp Jett to Biggio. Likely won't see the power binge Biggio saw in the steroid era, but would expect some very similar seasons to those Biggio had in the first half of his career. Again, should certainly be ranked higher than Clifford
I'm perplexed as to why Christian Scott doesn't get more love beyond "he's 24". Since OD 2022 (146.1 innings) he has a 2.50 FIP, 11.32 k/9, 25.2 K/BB%. FB up to 98. Really feel he's being slept on. Clear #1 SP in the system to me. Guess we shall see
491 minor league pitchers have thrown at least 80 innings in 2023... Christian Scott's K/BB% is 1/491 28.4% and his FIP is also 1/491 (2.32). Again, I get that he's 24... he's not 30! He's a little older. Really ridiculous how little attention he gets
Both tall LH bats. Clifford doesn't have the weight. Like Duda, Clifford likely to hit in the .230s, with plenty of walks and high K totals, with a lot of power. Both 1B/corner OF.
And to my point, I'd comp Jett to Biggio. Likely won't see the power binge Biggio saw in the steroid era, but would expect some very similar seasons to those Biggio had in the first half of his career. Again, should certainly be ranked higher than Clifford
Posted this the other day but I spoke with somebody influential with one of this major lists (and as you know I'm a Jett fanboy) his height is obviously part of the reason he's underrated but another is his exit velocities are not outstanding and there is a feeling his power tool is pretty maxed out. There are players who "find a way" despite this and an example given was Alex Bregman
Bregman averages 20+ homers per season despite EV/barrel% (percentiles) 2023 36th%/20th, 2022 48%/46, 2021 43/29
you watch Jett's HR's he very much seems to "Bregman" it. When he pulls the ball he can tap into his pull side power and that's where "all" of his HR's go. If I had a spray chart for Jett, I can damn near guarantee it looks a lot like Bregman's HR wise (below)
shorter than Biggio by 5 inches. I like the Biggio comp better, because I see him putting up similar numbers as Biggio's first half of his career. Altuve comp. kind of puts way too high a ceiling on BA and HRs depending on what part of Altuve's career you're talking about. I don't think he'll have quite the hit tool as Altuve and I certainly don't expect the power.
Altuve's first 3 full MLB seasons though: 7 HR, 5 HR, and 7 HR. So you never really fully know what type of power a player will develop
no way am I crapping on Jett Williams, rather it's a talking point regarding the kind of player he is.
I understand that. I know of no bigger Jett fan than you. You are to Jett what Eric is to Vientos (hope both of you are right)
If I appear to be arguing, it's certainly not against the messenger
Oh not at all. The person I was speaking to brought up Bregman as an "outlier" who makes it work, so I was curious and it does seem at least if we are talking just about this one very specific facet that Bregman has "made it work". I thought for sure I'd see extreme home/road HR splits as well (Crawford boxes) but no... since 2020 he's hit 33 homers at home/31 on the road. He must (and this may well be something Jett does/can do) knows when to use his pull side power and when do use the whole field for singles/doubles etc.
just put Jett and Nimmo at 1-2 in the order by mid-2025 hopefully
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Jul 14, 2021
I wouldn't hate seeing @mets
give Christian Scott a chance to start. Everything I've read suggested he maintained his velocity for multiple innings and that both the slider and CU "flash" why not? #Mets
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Maybe not the hottest of takes, but Christian Scott is a top 5 SP prospect in the system.
Daniel Wexler
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Most underrated performer in @mets
system this season (limited SSS for sure) is...Christian Scott u He now leads the organization in FIP (30+ innings) 2.64 and #2 in K/9 13.50. Considering he was a RP in college... interesting #Mets
Williams is a baseball rat, extremely mature and will max out his abilities. His eta? Who knows. A lot goes into that and obviously the big league roster will play a huge part in that.
it's hard to compare their prospect rankings because bregman was 21 in A+ and 22 in AA. jett roughly walks and k's twice as much as bregman did in his a21 (2015). bregman only had 4 homers in 300 plate appearances that year but he hit close to .300 with 21 total xbh. those 300 plate appearances in 2015, all below AA, were what maximized his prospect rankings pre-2016:
he started his a22 2016 in AA, the power surged and he hit 20 homers in 80 games at AA/AAA, got to the big leagues halfway through the year where he hit another 8, rest is history.
if we cut out Jett's numbers below A+ this year, he's closing in on 200 plate appearances. he has hit .300 with 19 total xbh, 7 being homers. 2 full years younger, showing more power, and having advanced to AA already, it's pretty hard to make any argument he shouldn't be ranked/rated better than bregman pre-2016 even though there's no guarantee he continues forward without any bumps in the road. right now he is ahead. bregman's age 19 freshman year was interesting enough was his highest ops year at LSU (963), and that's still a bit lower than Jett has done this year between A+/AA.
there is of course more to it than age/stats but we are talking about 2 players who were both high draft picks for a reason. looking back law had bregman as his 7th best prospect in 2015, jett was his 11th last year. bregman went 2nd overall but also almost 2m under slot.
it is very hard for me to imagine there are 30 more exciting prospects in mlb than jett right now.
to clarify, I was only making the comparison in terms of lower than expected EV/Barrel% that seemingly overcomes that, which Bregman has. Scouts are often wrong but I don't think it's that much of a jump to look at Jett Williams physically + his exit velocity + where he hits his home runs. Bregman also pre-dates the newer data/obsession with EV etc. He was a STUD college player and of course is a few inches taller. No clue what Jett Williams will become but I found the Bregman/EV/Barrel% stuff interesting.
.323/.412/.535 with 38 steals, 22 total k's. Unreal season. He's never been as good as he looked in 2018-2019 and we can hazard a guess why... but this is his 5th season with 4+ fWAR, almost seems like a post-hype underrated player at this point.
and not to get on a soapbox about prospect writers but
next year jett pulls a hammy or has an oblique strain in ST, as happens all the time. or maybe he gets hit on the wrist and has a sore wrist he has to work through for a couple weeks. or maybe he gets whatever the new strain of covid is and loses 5 pounds of muscle in a week.
he plays through whatever the ailment is and with his ability to get on base he still posts an ops over 800 but all of a sudden his babip is down in a more normal range sub-.350, and just like his a ball numbers this year his batting average is back down around .250 with a little less power. maybe there's even a bad 2-3 weeks or month in there that qualifies as a legitimate slump. maybe he makes futures game midseason, maybe he doesnt.
is any of that crazy or is all of that pretty typical stuff that happens all the time in baseball? it's happened with each of alonso, mcneil, conforto, nimmo (and to varying degrees vientos, mauricio, alvarez, baty during their minor league careers).
we can all imagine what that would do to jett in next year's mid-season prospect rankings, as there are sure to be prospects elsewhere healthy and putting up big flashy numbers just like he is this year - many will be supported by big babip's over .350.
my point is prospect rankings are generally extreme with recency bias. i hope jett is one of the guys who is so good the arrow only ever points up. if he is he will be in the big leagues at age 20 next year. players that talented are few and far between though, so i would probably guess it's more likely he has some bumps next year even if they are highly influenced by bad luck. if he ends up going into his age 21 in the minors, that's still likely going to be a player we should be almost as excited about as we are now unless something fundamentally changes with his physical ability (i.e. a significant injury). thank you for coming to my ted talk.
in mind, Jett Williams will also directly be impacted by Lindor/McNeil/Mauricio/ +Nimmo in CF, whatever they do in the off-season, Baty, Acuna, Gilbert so a lot would likely have to happen to see Williams before next September and even then, maybe Stearns is different but the Mets likely aren't eager to add him to the 40 man *2* years before they have to. Sure, crazier things have happened but with the amount of bodies who will impact his potential promotion I'd bet against it. Williams
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Brett Baty is undergoing an MRI on his groin today. Danny Mendick is back in New York, but not active (yet). It appears the Mets are waiting on Baty news.
Separately, Ronny Mauricio is recovering from his illness and potentially available off the bench. He should be back Friday.
in mind, Jett Williams will also directly be impacted by Lindor/McNeil/Mauricio/ +Nimmo in CF, whatever they do in the off-season, Baty, Acuna, Gilbert so a lot would likely have to happen to see Williams before next September and even then, maybe Stearns is different but the Mets likely aren't eager to add him to the 40 man *2* years before they have to. Sure, crazier things have happened but with the amount of bodies who will impact his potential promotion I'd bet against it. Williams
Regarding the traffic jam of position players, I'm very interested to see if the Mets make a deal. Too many prospects is never a problem, but I have a feeling they make a deal this offseason. Either for a young, cost-controlled SP or a guy like Soto (and sign him to a 12 year extension)
Interesting. SD after signing the #1 IFA of this past season (Ethan Salas) is considered the favorites to sign the #1 IFA of this period as well (Leodalis De Vries)
At the time of the rumor, the price for Alexis Diaz looked "extreme", sitting here on 9/14/2023, the Mets probably wish they pulled the trigger (yes, hindsight is 20/20)
Mentioned him previously but I wouldn't be shocked to see @mets hire former Phillies GM Matt Klentak. East coast guy, spent the last 2 seasons with the Brewers #Mets
the Mets should hire him to a senior position roughly on par with where Eppler is at. IMO, he got a bit of a raw deal in Baltimore and he'd be a really asset for the Mets. Unless he gets another head job (unlikely) have to imagine that the Mets comp offer would be better than anywhere else.
I don't think the Mets are hiring Chaim Bloom but the Dodgers FO consists of a POBO, GM AND a SR. VP of Baseball Operations so it's not unheard of to have multiple high level execs (doesn't even include Jeff Kingston)
RE: If Bloom wants to work and Stearns is up for it,
the Mets should hire him to a senior position roughly on par with where Eppler is at. IMO, he got a bit of a raw deal in Baltimore and he'd be a really asset for the Mets. Unless he gets another head job (unlikely) have to imagine that the Mets comp offer would be better than anywhere else.
Raw deal in Boston. I think I'm going senile. Still, same point. #hirebloom
A lot of the other top teams have stacked front offices full of senior guys. Bloom was a senior guy in Tampa and having access to everything he learned there (as well as his scouting methods) would be a sweet add.
the Mets should hire him to a senior position roughly on par with where Eppler is at. IMO, he got a bit of a raw deal in Baltimore and he'd be a really asset for the Mets. Unless he gets another head job (unlikely) have to imagine that the Mets comp offer would be better than anywhere else.
How did he get a raw deal?
He botched the Betts trade and the Bogaerts negotiations (depending who you ask). and those are/were two potential franchise altering moves.
RE: RE: If Bloom wants to work and Stearns is up for it,
the Mets should hire him to a senior position roughly on par with where Eppler is at. IMO, he got a bit of a raw deal in Baltimore and he'd be a really asset for the Mets. Unless he gets another head job (unlikely) have to imagine that the Mets comp offer would be better than anywhere else.
How did he get a raw deal?
He botched the Betts trade and the Bogaerts negotiations (depending who you ask). and those are/were two potential franchise altering moves.
also screwed us spending $300m on devers since he's probably eventually going to have to move off 3b.
i liked some of what chaim did in boston but he blew too many big decisions. he was kind of case in point in terms of what would kind of worry me about any potential blindspots with stearns. spending money is harder than it looks from small markets.
the Mets should hire him to a senior position roughly on par with where Eppler is at. IMO, he got a bit of a raw deal in Baltimore and he'd be a really asset for the Mets. Unless he gets another head job (unlikely) have to imagine that the Mets comp offer would be better than anywhere else.
How did he get a raw deal?
He botched the Betts trade and the Bogaerts negotiations (depending who you ask). and those are/were two potential franchise altering moves.
Betts should have never been allowed to leave Boston in the first place. Should be asking why he was traded
“ Mike Vasil with a big bounce back night for the @SyracuseMets 6+ innings, No runs, 3 hits, 2 walks, 1 HBP, 10 Ks (AAA highest), 92 pitches, 52 strikes - 93.8 mph top velo. He leaves with 2 on in the 7th. ”
Was promoted to AAA. Hit a HR in his debut yesterday. 2-4. I think we might have some depth/bench bats coming shortly where we won't have to waste a lot money in FA on those types of players. Cortes, McIlwain, Ritter, Peroza, Jordan all interesting.
Was promoted to AAA. Hit a HR in his debut yesterday. 2-4. I think we might have some depth/bench bats coming shortly where we won't have to waste a lot money in FA on those types of players. Cortes, McIlwain, Ritter, Peroza, Jordan all interesting.
Worth noting Peroza, Ritter, Cortes, MILwain are all Rule 5 eligible.
On that note-Haven't given it a deep dive a whole year out but Vasil, Hamel, Scott, Rudick, Lavender are all 2024 eligible off the top of my head
Was promoted to AAA. Hit a HR in his debut yesterday. 2-4. I think we might have some depth/bench bats coming shortly where we won't have to waste a lot money in FA on those types of players. Cortes, McIlwain, Ritter, Peroza, Jordan all interesting.
Worth noting Peroza, Ritter, Cortes, MILwain are all Rule 5 eligible.
On that note-Haven't given it a deep dive a whole year out but Vasil, Hamel, Scott, Rudick, Lavender are all 2024 eligible off the top of my head
I forgot Rudick as well since he's out with the injury. I'll say they all have given the FO something to think about.
Was promoted to AAA. Hit a HR in his debut yesterday. 2-4. I think we might have some depth/bench bats coming shortly where we won't have to waste a lot money in FA on those types of players. Cortes, McIlwain, Ritter, Peroza, Jordan all interesting.
Worth noting Peroza, Ritter, Cortes, MILwain are all Rule 5 eligible.
On that note-Haven't given it a deep dive a whole year out but Vasil, Hamel, Scott, Rudick, Lavender are all 2024 eligible off the top of my head
I forgot Rudick as well since he's out with the injury. I'll say they all have given the FO something to think about.
That's one thing I've been big on. No more paying the Escobars and Canhas and Narvaezs of the world $5-10 million each on the bench. (I know they were all bridges, but still). Would be nice to have a couple (or more) of those guys to become good bench players.
Hopefully guys like Gervase and Lavender can become good bullpen guys as well. Stearns really beefed up the bullpen, so would be nice if the Mets could start producing good homegrown bullpen guys
How high is the ceiling for Jett Williams. Could he be the next Altuve?
We received four questions about Mets shortstop/center fielder Jett Williams this week, which makes answering one an Inbox mandate. The 14th overall pick in the 2022 Draft out of a Texas high school, he has batted .265/.429/.458 with 13 homers and 44 steals while rising from Single-A to Double-A at age 19. He and fellow 2022 prep first-rounder Termarr Johnson (Pirates) are the first teenagers to draw 100 walks in a Minor League season since JD Closser in 1999 and the first to do so entirely in full-season ball since Mike Whitlock in 1996.
Williams, No. 3 on the Mets' Top 30 Prospects list and No. 78 on the Top 100, was a scout favorite in last year's Draft as a 5-foot-6, 175-pound dynamo who raked on the high school showcase circuit. He has good feel for the barrel, some sneaky power and at least plus speed. There are mixed reports on his arm, which earns fringy to solid grades, so there's some question as to whether he remains at shortstop or moves to second base or center.
While Williams is built along the lines of Altuve, he's a different type of player. Altuve made much more consistent contact in the Minors (11 percent strikeout rate versus 21 percent for Williams so far) and developed into a 25-30 homer guy, which is more than Williams will. But Williams does have a lofty ceiling as a potential on-base machine with 15-homer pop and more speed and defensive versatility than Altuve had at the same stage.
“I’m an analytic psychopath during the week,” he said, “and then during the game, I don’t look at it all. I think that’s the good balance. Go out there and be a competitor whenever the time comes. But if you can do that and then the analytical [later], I think that is most beneficial. A lot of people have trouble separating the two, and that’s where it can get a little bit tricky.” Pitching Lab: Blade Tidwell - ( New Window )
Jarrett Seidler
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Mets hitting instruction has been so bad lately that all of their high exit velo guys have ended up with exorbitant ground ball rates and low pull rates for “taking what the pitcher gives you” (which is usually a groundout to a middle infielder) and doesn’t even improve contact
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every relatively good team at this has tried to optimize this class of hitter to take more pitches and try to pull in the air while trading some raw damage to do it, because hitting a ball 101 in the air to left is almost always better than 111 straight on the ground
Hard to ignore the GB% of Vientos/Baty and now Mauricio and even harder to believe it's not an organizational "issue".
RE: Eric and I had a chat about this the other day
Jarrett Seidler
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Mets hitting instruction has been so bad lately that all of their high exit velo guys have ended up with exorbitant ground ball rates and low pull rates for “taking what the pitcher gives you” (which is usually a groundout to a middle infielder) and doesn’t even improve contact
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every relatively good team at this has tried to optimize this class of hitter to take more pitches and try to pull in the air while trading some raw damage to do it, because hitting a ball 101 in the air to left is almost always better than 111 straight on the ground
Hard to ignore the GB% of Vientos/Baty and now Mauricio and even harder to believe it's not an organizational "issue".
i think the ev the mets guys have makes this even crazier if it's true other orgs coach it differently, because i can guarantee other orgs dont all have a guy like vientos who can step into the big leagues and post a top 10 exit velo league wide from day - which he has done even dating back to last year.
if there are only 5 guys better than him in the big leagues id imagine there are only that many or less in the minors.
hard pass for me. always had a lot of swing and miss, alonso a much better investment over the next several years than any FA hitter.
id consider rolling the dice on arenado if a trade is cheap enough, and id want marte in there to offset short term $, but wouldnt give up any thing major because he's seemed to start taking some steps back.
hard pass for me. always had a lot of swing and miss, alonso a much better investment over the next several years than any FA hitter.
id consider rolling the dice on arenado if a trade is cheap enough, and id want marte in there to offset short term $, but wouldnt give up any thing major because he's seemed to start taking some steps back.
Throw in the fact he'd cost 2 picks, pool money, IFA money, a large contract and will be 32 in 2025 (not saying they will punt 2024 at all but likely a bit of a transition year)...
damn, I got him late in my fantasy baseball league, really late.
It's a keeper league, and I may keep him anyway, but would make me feel better (for fantasy baseball and real baseball) if he pitched a couple times this year (if he is healthy enough for it).
i'd offer them. soto will be expensive but he's 4 years younger and a level above alonso.
the only question is if it's better to spend $400m+ on soto or 200M on alonso. he's still only a corner OF so it's arguable where he's worth an extra $200m of value (plus whoever the prospect is).
i guess another question is if you go for him and also keep alonso
probably looking at a package of 2+ top prospects in that case though. i think id do a package starting with mauricio + gilbert or something like that assuming you can extend soto.
If the Mets are in fact all in, then sure, go for it - trade prospects, but if they don't plan to be major players in FA why not wait until after the season when he just costs money and you let Alonso walk (or trade him).
Is he eligible for a QO from SD after next season?
Either way, he rejected a 15-year $440M deal from WAS. Barring catastrophe, he is going to be the highest paid player in the league (in terms of biggest contract if not also AAV).
mid market and small market teams compete every year for playoffs while be half as "in" as the mets payroll is right now. every team builds the best team they can within their budget, and the mets budget will likely again be highest in MLB since 2+ starters and some BP arms seem certain.
if soto is on the trade market they can't just wait until 2025 and hope to get him for free because whoever the padres trade him to is probably likely to extend him. the question is what do the padres look for? a prospect package or a win now player they can extend easier?
the best argument against soto if he's on the trade market is probably ohtani, who they could just as easily make the highest paid player in MLB while keeping all their prospects. ohtani is 5 years older and obviously the injury makes things a little more complex to figure out, and as unique as he is that contract was already complex. i do think the mets are going to go for ohtani and its probable the market to get him is less competitive with the injury.
ohtani is the only FA who I think would define the offseason as "all in", but i dont think the offseason is ohtani or bust.
If the Mets are in fact all in, then sure, go for it - trade prospects, but if they don't plan to be major players in FA why not wait until after the season when he just costs money and you let Alonso walk (or trade him).
Is he eligible for a QO from SD after next season?
Either way, he rejected a 15-year $440M deal from WAS. Barring catastrophe, he is going to be the highest paid player in the league (in terms of biggest contract if not also AAV).
Am I the only one who thinks it’s crazy to have him be the highest paid player on your team? He hasn’t improved upon his 2021 season and part of the hoopla when he was traded was that he was still on the ascent. Not that a 400 obp and 32 dingers (in SD) is anything to scoff at. But he isn’t going to be a lineup changing force like say Judge. And listen I get defense is going to be valued in there too, but I dunno it just doesn’t scream 450 mil like an Otani.
Am I the only one who thinks it’s crazy to have him be the highest paid player on your team? He hasn’t improved upon his 2021 season and part of the hoopla when he was traded was that he was still on the ascent. Not that a 400 obp and 32 dingers (in SD) is anything to scoff at. But he isn’t going to be a lineup changing force like say Judge. And listen I get defense is going to be valued in there too, but I dunno it just doesn’t scream 450 mil like an Otani.
Soto's 450m is going to be over 13-15 years because he is so young. if you signed him this offseason, the first 10 years of his deal will be under age 35. the nats offer was actually something like a 13 years 390m extension, and there were supposed deferments in there bringing that present day value down.
He's absolutely a lineup changing force like Judge. his ops this year is 910 and he has the same number of walks as strikeouts. judge's ops is about 50 points higher (not qualified below because of missed time). there are only 6 other qualified players better than soto and this season is actually 30 points below his career OPS.
acuna, betts, seager, olson are all under long term deals. freeman is signed through age 37.
the options for the mets adding an MVP level bat the next 2 years are Ohtani and Soto. both will cost 400m+ and set new records for total deal. if SD decides to trade soto then he probably doesn't hit the open market.
all of this is good backdrop for why it probably doesn't make sense to do anything except resign alonso because those 9 figs will almost def start with "2" and he's probably the 3rd best bat on list over the next 2 years. maybe the only other one with a legitimate MVP ceiling.
and nothing against Buck Showalter but it's kind of odd how Buck's pals seemingly are all coming out trying to help him keep his job. Heyman was first, yesterday Sherman and today it's Lupica
"Mike Lupica
@MikeLupica
Brian Snitker, manager of the best team in baseball, will turn 68 in October. Dusty Baker, whose team won the World Series last year, is 74. Buck Showalter is 67. You know what the Mets don’t need? A boy wonder manager. They already have one of the best managers in baseball."
I'm not interested in debating whether Buck should keep his job but the name most associated with the Mets job is 53 year old Craig Counsell, he of the 700 major league wins and 4 playoff appearances. The other name I've seen a lot recently is Pat Murphy. Murphy is 64 years old, was HC for Notre Dame/Arizona State for 20 seasons and a Brewers coach for the past 8. Where is anybody suggesting the Mets hire some random young person off the street? This seems like a specific effort for the media to help Buck keep his job.
and they shouldnt wipe him out just to wipe him out. but he has to fit with the direction stearns is going. if there is any concern he wont fit then they have to wipe him out.
i think buck has been a fine manager in a lot of ways, though not enough that he needs to keep his job, and i dont believe he's anti-analytics or a dinosaur with respect to his game strategy.
i do think he's a dinosaur with his devotion to veterans and clearly he wasnt on the same page with the fo this year. neither he nor the fo was on the right page either.
and they shouldnt wipe him out just to wipe him out. but he has to fit with the direction stearns is going. if there is any concern he wont fit then they have to wipe him out.
i think buck has been a fine manager in a lot of ways, though not enough that he needs to keep his job, and i dont believe he's anti-analytics or a dinosaur with respect to his game strategy.
i do think he's a dinosaur with his devotion to veterans and clearly he wasnt on the same page with the fo this year. neither he nor the fo was on the right page either.
Honestly, my only point is... oddly coordinated how in 3 days time 3 of Buck's old pals from the NY market felt the need to support keeping him and Lupica's case... strawman argument... where has anybody suggested the Mets hire some "boy wonder"? I haven't seen a name like that suggested a single time.
Royals/White Sox making hires in recent days, will be interesting to see how quickly @mets make some moves once Stearns is allowed to do so (reportedly once the regular season ends). Obviously, the Mets can make hires prior to that time #Mets
breaking news but Pat Ragazzo says the Mets and Alonso are in the same ballpark AAV wise but not years...didn't need a brain surgeon to figure that one out.
and they shouldnt wipe him out just to wipe him out. but he has to fit with the direction stearns is going. if there is any concern he wont fit then they have to wipe him out.
i think buck has been a fine manager in a lot of ways, though not enough that he needs to keep his job, and i dont believe he's anti-analytics or a dinosaur with respect to his game strategy.
i do think he's a dinosaur with his devotion to veterans and clearly he wasnt on the same page with the fo this year. neither he nor the fo was on the right page either.
Honestly, my only point is... oddly coordinated how in 3 days time 3 of Buck's old pals from the NY market felt the need to support keeping him and Lupica's case... strawman argument... where has anybody suggested the Mets hire some "boy wonder"? I haven't seen a name like that suggested a single time.
it's just glad handing. writing a puff piece right now costs nothing but maybe it gets access for a good quote or 2 in the future whether he sticks with the mets or not.
they are looking for ideas on anything they can find right now because there's space to fill and the season has been over for almost 2 months.
and nothing against Buck Showalter but it's kind of odd how Buck's pals seemingly are all coming out trying to help him keep his job. Heyman was first, yesterday Sherman and today it's Lupica
"Mike Lupica
@MikeLupica
Brian Snitker, manager of the best team in baseball, will turn 68 in October. Dusty Baker, whose team won the World Series last year, is 74. Buck Showalter is 67. You know what the Mets don’t need? A boy wonder manager. They already have one of the best managers in baseball."
I'm not interested in debating whether Buck should keep his job but the name most associated with the Mets job is 53 year old Craig Counsell, he of the 700 major league wins and 4 playoff appearances. The other name I've seen a lot recently is Pat Murphy. Murphy is 64 years old, was HC for Notre Dame/Arizona State for 20 seasons and a Brewers coach for the past 8. Where is anybody suggesting the Mets hire some random young person off the street? This seems like a specific effort for the media to help Buck keep his job.
Of course it is. Buck was one of them and is calling in his favors. I actually prefer that he start the season next year with the Mets, but sans an extension. Counsell's taking the year off and will probably be back in action in 2025.
This is a perfect bridge situation. The Mets can't fire Buck and then hire a guy for a year only---unless it's really bad They'd lose out on CC that way. Best scenario is for Buck to at least start off the season with the team in the 3rd and final year of his deal. If he goes all ham by not playing the kids again, fire him and make Chavez the interim manager and hire CC for 2025.
P.S. Buck has a chance to be part of the Mets organization in some capacity going forward if he plays his cards right. That's not something he should sneeze at. He's a stubborn mule though, so it wouldn't surprise me. Mets need to take away his toys though (e.g., Vogelsnack) to prevent him from indulging himself.
Brooklyn Cyclones
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Congratulations to Paul Gervase who has been named to the South Atlantic League All-Star Team after posting a 1.72 ERA with the Cyclones across 47.0 innings of relief. The former LSU Tiger struck out 76 in 47.0 innings. #AmazinStartsHere
*All players nominated by me. I made this whole thing up. Thanks for reading!
Jett Williams, SS, New York Mets
Williams posted a .263/.425/.451 line as a 19-year-old in his first full pro season, going to the Mets with the 14th pick in the 2022 draft out of a Texas high school. He led all teenagers in the minors with 104 walks and was second in OBP only behind Holliday. He did all this with just a 22 percent strikeout rate on the year, although I suppose a little bit of that plate discipline comes from having such a small strike zone, as Williams is listed at 5-foot-6. As long as he continues to hit the ball reasonably hard, that on-base skill will continue to play.
Christian Scott, RHP, New York Mets
Scott had an injury-plagued 2022 season where he made just nine starts and nine relief appearances, throwing 58 2/3 innings, and never really found his slider after showing a promising one in 2021 at the University of Florida. He started 2023 in the injured list, and during the rehab the Mets helped him work to generate more of his velocity from his lower half, after which he took off, with a 2.57 ERA in 87 2/3 innings, about two-thirds of that coming in Double A, while cutting his walk rate by more than half from the year before, all the way to just 3.6 percent. His velocity held firm while his slider was much better, probably still more of an above-average pitch than a plus one but enough to get right-handers out more effectively than he had the year before. The Mets have tried to convert several college relievers to starting and Scott looks like the most promising one of the group.
Regardless of what happens tonight Hamel's season has to be viewed as a success. 7/5-9/15 (12 starts) 62.1 innings 46 hits 25 walks (still a concern) 80 k's 2.46 era #Mets
Regardless of what happens tonight Hamel's season has to be viewed as a success. 7/5-9/15 (12 starts) 62.1 innings 46 hits 25 walks (still a concern) 80 k's 2.46 era #Mets
Pitching in the minors definitely looks a lot better than it did coming into the year. Let's get some of those guys back from TJ like Diaz and get Ziegler going as well.
Diaz probably misses a big portion of 2024. TJ on 3/31. Maybe second half?
Yeah I was thinking he comes back around August and hopefully shows a good 2 months. Only mentioned him because I'm the highest on him out of the other given how the Mets viewed him with placement in full season so early.
List has 11 rehabbing TJ, a few more “unknown” injuries so could be more. Should be interesting to see who comes back and when
If Ziegler stays healthy and shows and some of the 2022 draft picks like Morris we'll really be cooking. Will have a top 20 pick in the 1st but then we'll be picking top 10 in every round thereafter so budget should be good to add some others. I expect absolutely 0 from Matt Allan but what a story it would be if he can pitch even decent next year at some level and stay healthy.
Actually Mayer just tweeted all the participants. Bats are interesting but the pitching not so much.
Mets prospects playing in the Arizona Fall League this year for the Glendale Desert Dogs:
C Kevin Parada
INF D'Andre Smith
OF/IF Rowdey Jordan
1B/OF JT Schwartz
RHP Nolan Clenney
RHP Jordan Geber
RHP Brendan Hardy
RHP Trey McLoughlin
LHP Tyler Thomas
It'd be nice to have a manager who can blend in young upcoming talent from our minor league system into the big club as opposed to someone who'll let them rot on the bench.
Mets should hire Colby Morris. Pitched for 2 seasons in the Mets system, now works for driveline, really good posted on twitter (good yamamoto thread for example) Link - ( New Window )
we're at it, another former driveline guy I think would be an excellent hire would be Lance Brozdowski. He has a free newsletter where he breaks down pitchers. Good stuff.
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I think he's been a maybe defensively the entire time although the trend is not positive. Much more concerning are the offensive traits; of the 1054 players who had 300 MiLB PA last year he had the 58th worst swinging strike rate with nowhere near enough damage to make up for it
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I guess. There were eye scout concerns about the plate setup the entire time and they were way worse for me in person than on video, and it's obviously showing up in that he's been unable to make contact with or drive pro velocity much.
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I liked the pick when they made it to be clear. Sometimes these guys just don't hit, the same thing happened with Cross and the Royals and we didn't have red flags up there really. But he's a courtesy/pre-draft report grade for me now, based on 2023 alone not even close to a list
Jarrett Seidler
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They had two picks in the same area and one is stock way up and the other is stock way down, it's not even an indictment on their drafting or dev
BP has access to data that i havent seen public anywhere else
they quote ML exit velo for sure as well as some of the oswing/zswing type stuff that i've only ever seen publicly for big leaguers. in that respect they are i think probably more interesting than the public scouting services because they do have some unique insights.
that said i find that seidler in particular seems to overstate some of that stuff though and i think his analysis typically have some holes in them. or at least blindspots. he likes to make sweeping generalizations off of what i would consider highly volatile sss, often without age context.
without seeing the data it's hard to say but his criticisms of vientos and mauricio both fell into those categories. i wouldnt say either of those guys has done enough to say he's taking an L on them yet but we have seen each of them have the capacity to make peripheral improvements and I would argue they have already shown their raw talents were underrated. parada just played his age 21 at A+ and AA. conforto was the most recent college hitter the mets drafted except he played CBB 3 years to parada's 2, so he didnt play A+/AA until his age 22. parada has already hit as many homers and almost as many XBH as a met prospect as conforto did except in a few hundred fewer plate appearances and at a younger age.
his defense I've yet to see a single source say Parada's defense is trending in the "positive" direction so there is a lot more pressure on the bat. Paternostro says he's no longer a catcher for him (for example) and safe to assume Parada's drop for both BA (from 50 to off their list) and MLB from 36 to 89 and now prospects live with their note on his defense... the floor for him is unfortunately quite low aka a non-big leaguer.
is the prospect live note (they have him the #18 position player in the AFL which in-itself isn't great)
"Parada didn't have the type of season we expected but did advance to Double-A which seems likely where he will begin 2024. Parada hasn't shown the elite contact abilities and the same approach he had in college, and his power isn't playing as big as a result. There are some defensive issues here as well, and the extra reps in Arizona will give the Mets an extended looks at his receiving and throwing, which both need work."
The Mississippi State product is a switch-hitter who has played everywhere but shortstop and catcher since getting drafted by the Mets. He's a good athlete with a knack for stealing bases. The approach is solid and he has present gap power, and is still figuring out how to transalte the raw power to game power.
(I think he's going to help the 2024 Mets as a bench piece)
Schwartz 78
"I like Schwartz's bat but he hasn't really hit for much power, making it difficult to envision a long career as a first baseman."
his defense I've yet to see a single source say Parada's defense is trending in the "positive" direction so there is a lot more pressure on the bat. Paternostro says he's no longer a catcher for him (for example) and safe to assume Parada's drop for both BA (from 50 to off their list) and MLB from 36 to 89 and now prospects live with their note on his defense... the floor for him is unfortunately quite low aka a non-big leaguer.
the defense is a 100% legitimate concern and ill trust whatever live reports say there (not to mention the error totals and CS).
im just talking bat bc anyone who can produce an 800+ops will find a spot somewhere. parada is already showing the power to get there. his iso as a met minor leaguer is higher than conforto's was as prospect because he's hit xbh at a higher rate. next year is a big year for him and strictly talking bat, it is not a stretch to think he can have the kind of breakout gilbert has had at AA in his age 22.
fascinated to see if the Mets protect Jarvis. I thought he was a lock but his overall numbers in AAA were atrocious and there has been some suggestion that even his decent (though really not great numbers in AA (4.00 FIP, despite a strong 10.34 K/9) may have been a product of the tacky balls. I'm fascinated because Stearns was with the Brewers for the entirety of Jarvis time there so if anybody has an educated opinion on him it's him.
2023 draftees/UDFA's who did not debut in 2023 for @mets system
-Brandon Sproat (2nd)
-Wyatt Hudepohl (4th)
-Zach Thornton (5th)
-Noah Hall (7th)
-John Valle (TJ) (14th)
-Justin Lawson (15th)
-Gage Bihm (UDFA)
-Hale Sims (UDFA)
TIL despite being RA Dickey's personal catcher (164 starts with 2 teams) for years, Josh Thole and Dickey were not close (or even friends by Thole's account). Thole didn't really sound like he was fond of Dickey.
TIL despite being RA Dickey's personal catcher (164 starts with 2 teams) for years, Josh Thole and Dickey were not close (or even friends by Thole's account). Thole didn't really sound like he was fond of Dickey.
TIL despite being RA Dickey's personal catcher (164 starts with 2 teams) for years, Josh Thole and Dickey were not close (or even friends by Thole's account). Thole didn't really sound like he was fond of Dickey.
That honestly sounds crazy.
Dickey said he was surprised Thole felt that way. Thole claimed he asked for Dickey's book to be autographed and Dickey said there were autographed copies at Barnes and Nobles. If Dickey was kidding, Thole sure doesn't feel that way.
“The lack of continuity — that sort of stuff is not like flipping a switch, especially when you’re firing (department) heads,” an American League executive said. “Those heads hired some of their own people under them. If you fire a hitting coordinator, he probably hired a couple coaches, and those coaches were probably on his program. So once that’s been done three times, you just have all these fragments everywhere. And you can’t hire seven good minor-league hitting coaches in one offseason.”
New York’s front office thus includes various groups of people hired by different leaders. One staffer recently described the organization as one-third Alderson hires, one-third Porter/Scott hires, and one-third Eppler hires. The exec called the front office “a ragtag collection of leftovers from four or five prior regimes.” Link - ( New Window )
fangraphs the following height corrections have been made
Ronald Hernandez, Daiverson Guitterez and Kevin Parada are now listed at 5'11" vs. 6'1"
Jett Williams officially 5'6" vs. 5'8"
Dom Hamel from 5'11 to 6'2
Acuna 5'10 to 5'8
haha reminds me of my Senior year in high school our player bios in our annual program. Not one of us was listed at under 6 feet 200 pounds. in reality, maybe two or three players max were over 6 feet.
“The lack of continuity — that sort of stuff is not like flipping a switch, especially when you’re firing (department) heads,” an American League executive said. “Those heads hired some of their own people under them. If you fire a hitting coordinator, he probably hired a couple coaches, and those coaches were probably on his program. So once that’s been done three times, you just have all these fragments everywhere. And you can’t hire seven good minor-league hitting coaches in one offseason.”
New York’s front office thus includes various groups of people hired by different leaders. One staffer recently described the organization as one-third Alderson hires, one-third Porter/Scott hires, and one-third Eppler hires. The exec called the front office “a ragtag collection of leftovers from four or five prior regimes.” Link - ( New Window )
add on top that good organizations rarely let good people leave even at lower levels. giving people promotions and raises without them needing to move their families makes it tough unless you overpay at any level.
the organization being so far behind in staffing up because of all the change is easily biggest frustration of cohen era. porter's dickpic probably created at least 20m-30m worth of organizational breakage. and possibly a lot more than that.
it wrong of me to think/believe Cohen/the Mets should take care of this? Not being critical of Cohen or the Mets, just think they can afford this. Link - ( New Window )
it wrong of me to think/believe Cohen/the Mets should take care of this? Not being critical of Cohen or the Mets, just think they can afford this. Link - ( New Window )
5 members of the FO have left/been let go, with Stearns the one addition (but he's in a brand new position) so it would appear MULTIPLE hires are on the way.
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I'm glad Tramuta has a landing spot, but I also think it's time for the Mets to have some different voices at the top of the draft. It seemed to me from this past class that Tramuta and Tanous's influence was on the wane, anyway.
One candidate for @mets managerial job is Ray Montgomery. Montgomery grew up in NY and is a lifelong @mets fan who played in @mets system back in 2001. From 2015-2020 worked with Stearns before leaving for the Angels. He served as Angels BC for the past 2 seasons (Ohtani?) #Mets
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I'm glad Tramuta has a landing spot, but I also think it's time for the Mets to have some different voices at the top of the draft. It seemed to me from this past class that Tramuta and Tanous's influence was on the wane, anyway.
kind of a bummer but if tanous is sticking around it's probably not a big deal. was also probably somewhat in the works since last year when they changed his role to "senior advisor". will be interesting to see if stearns replaces the guy they made amateur scouting director last year, presumably they are since he wasnt in the first purge?
believed Touissant had heavy influence on the 2023 draft for the Mets. That doesn't mean he'll be back but it appears he gained power/influence where others may have lost some.
believed Touissant had heavy influence on the 2023 draft for the Mets. That doesn't mean he'll be back but it appears he gained power/influence where others may have lost some.
surviving the first purge is meaningful because some of those guys had been recently promoted in the eppler era.
amateur scouting jobs seem to change on cycles, so it may be that he's got 10 months of an audition while stearns waits for other options. sort of how tramuta was probably figuring out his next move over the last 10 months.
believed Touissant had heavy influence on the 2023 draft for the Mets. That doesn't mean he'll be back but it appears he gained power/influence where others may have lost some.
of impossible to judge a guy based on the most recent draft anyway (his first). Now come this time next year, you probably can have some view on where it's headed.
A less experienced manager. Don’t know if that means none, or little. Pro or minors or college, couldn’t answer that.
But counsel is number 1 obviously, but preparing for not getting him too. All,parties know where everyone stands, so a bit concerning.
A less experienced manager. Don’t know if that means none, or little. Pro or minors or college, couldn’t answer that.
But counsel is number 1 obviously, but preparing for not getting him too. All,parties know where everyone stands, so a bit concerning.
Brewers finished 3rd in baseball in 1 run games despite going 3-8 over their final 11. Prior to that stretch, Craig Counsell was #1 in baseball history in 1 run games (since they have been tracking the stat)
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what exactly are the reasons that Christian Scott gets so little attention? I get that he was 24 in AA but 11.0 K/9 vs. 1.2 BB/9 is outstanding and everything I've read speaks pretty highly of his actual stuff. Kind of confused what I'm missing here. #Mets
Jarrett Seidler
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Lack of track record/previous reliever projection, missed time during the season, age relative, lack of pitch data for him this year are all reasons
The reaction to this one should be interesting....@NYPost_Mets confirming Bill Madden's exclusive that Daniel Vogelbach was a major point of contention between Showalter and Eppler. Per Puma, Showalter was forced to play Vogelbach by Eppler #Mets
#1 I find it very hard to believe they would be comfortable with Acuna in CF anytime soon. 4 total games out there for his career.
#2 Found it odd he didn't mention Montes De Oca will miss time in 2024. He had TJ March 30, 2023. How much time will he miss? Who knows but nearly 0% chance he's on the 26 man opening day.
#1 I find it very hard to believe they would be comfortable with Acuna in CF anytime soon. 4 total games out there for his career.
#2 Found it odd he didn't mention Montes De Oca will miss time in 2024. He had TJ March 30, 2023. How much time will he miss? Who knows but nearly 0% chance he's on the 26 man opening day.
Will got back to me about the 1st one and he more or less said scouts think he'll be able to handle it but that it's tough to say until somebody actually does it.
The reaction to this one should be interesting....@NYPost_Mets confirming Bill Madden's exclusive that Daniel Vogelbach was a major point of contention between Showalter and Eppler. Per Puma, Showalter was forced to play Vogelbach by Eppler #Mets
this was alluded to in a different thread and it seems to me the people pissed at Buck over Vogie should direct their rage toward Eppler or they would be hypocritical.
The reaction to this one should be interesting....@NYPost_Mets confirming Bill Madden's exclusive that Daniel Vogelbach was a major point of contention between Showalter and Eppler. Per Puma, Showalter was forced to play Vogelbach by Eppler #Mets
this was alluded to in a different thread and it seems to me the people pissed at Buck over Vogie should direct their rage toward Eppler or they would be hypocritical.
The reaction to this one should be interesting....@NYPost_Mets confirming Bill Madden's exclusive that Daniel Vogelbach was a major point of contention between Showalter and Eppler. Per Puma, Showalter was forced to play Vogelbach by Eppler #Mets
this was alluded to in a different thread and it seems to me the people pissed at Buck over Vogie should direct their rage toward Eppler or they would be hypocritical.
I would totally be fine with Stearns showing Eppler the door. I wish he would.
The reaction to this one should be interesting....@NYPost_Mets confirming Bill Madden's exclusive that Daniel Vogelbach was a major point of contention between Showalter and Eppler. Per Puma, Showalter was forced to play Vogelbach by Eppler #Mets
this was alluded to in a different thread and it seems to me the people pissed at Buck over Vogie should direct their rage toward Eppler or they would be hypocritical.
the criticism went to buck because the lineup card was presumed his responsibility. just like eppler was criticized for the trade since that's his presumed responsibility.
if anything i think most posters will feel validated by this since the manager's internal monologue may as well have been a bbi gamethread.
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Part of the manager’s opposition to Vogelbach was philosophical: Showalter viewed the DH spot as one that should be used on a rotation, allowing position players a partial rest while remaining in the lineup.
But Showalter — who was fired last weekend, allowing new president of baseball operations David Stearns the opportunity to pick his own manager following the Mets’ 75-win season — also had an issue with Vogelbach’s limited skill set, according to a source.
Vogelbach’s strength over two months last season after arriving from the Pirates was on-base percentage.
But the slow-footed Vogelbach didn’t hit for enough power, even when getting on base, to warrant regular inclusion in the lineup in Showalter’s estimation, the source said.
Vogelbach’s limited mobility also meant he couldn’t be used in the field.
the only poster i can think of who may be disappointed by this reporting is arcadesnablats since he spent so much time arguing buck was right to play vogelbach when even buck apparently disagreed.
He has a shot to be a very solid bench piece. Can play 4 positions and even some 3B. A little pop. Won’t be a huge average guy so the McNeil comps I’ve seen are silly but I think (and I like him) but I think Guillorme’s time as a Met is on borrowed time.
He has a shot to be a very solid bench piece. Can play 4 positions and even some 3B. A little pop. Won’t be a huge average guy so the McNeil comps I’ve seen are silly but I think (and I like him) but I think Guillorme’s time as a Met is on borrowed time.
Boras is a bit of a nothingburger for me here. I’ve been saying my expectation was that Alonso and the Mets would go the Nimmo route in FA and who is Brandon Nimmo’s agent? How did that work out?
Boras is a bit of a nothingburger for me here. I’ve been saying my expectation was that Alonso and the Mets would go the Nimmo route in FA and who is Brandon Nimmo’s agent? How did that work out?
Yeah, but also doesn’t mean nothing. We can’t just assume that Alonso is going to go the same route as Nimmo. Different situations, different people.
Alonso seems like an emotional cat and he clearly wants the money and the years. This is a big reason a player signs with Boras. If the Mets wanted to resign Alonso and NOT grossly overpay, I think that just went out the window.
Boras is a bit of a nothingburger for me here. I’ve been saying my expectation was that Alonso and the Mets would go the Nimmo route in FA and who is Brandon Nimmo’s agent? How did that work out?
Yeah, but also doesn’t mean nothing. We can’t just assume that Alonso is going to go the same route as Nimmo. Different situations, different people.
Alonso seems like an emotional cat and he clearly wants the money and the years. This is a big reason a player signs with Boras. If the Mets wanted to resign Alonso and NOT grossly overpay, I think that just went out the window.
Not sure I understand. His options are sign during the season or hit the FA market (as Nimmo did). If he takes option one he’s obviously a Met and if he takes option 2 the Mets/Cohen can make the decision to make him the largest offer (as they did with Nimmo). Situations are exactly the same. The Mets had a chance to lock up Nimmo, rolled the dice on waiting, and then outbid other teams (namely Toronto) to keep their guy. Alonso being a different person than Nimmo really doesn’t matter. If you’re saying Alonso would hit FA and be unwilling to return to the Mets despite the top offer because he’s “emotional” then we will have to agree to disagree.
I’ve had my eyes on Grisham as a trade target for @mets. Drafted by the Brewers in 2015 (pre-Stearns taking over) but was in their organization through 2019. Undeniably has has struggles at the plate over the last 2 but only 26 years old, signed through 2025
I’ve had my eyes on Grisham as a trade target for @mets. Drafted by the Brewers in 2015 (pre-Stearns taking over) but was in their organization through 2019. Undeniably has has struggles at the plate over the last 2 but only 26 years old, signed through 2025
He wrecked the Mets in that WC playoff series.
I can't believe he'd be hard to get from SD who has publicly said they plan to decrease payroll 20% for the 2024 season. He is not a big salary probably even with arbitration but if they attach him to one like Musgrove maybe it could work.
I’ve had my eyes on Grisham as a trade target for @mets. Drafted by the Brewers in 2015 (pre-Stearns taking over) but was in their organization through 2019. Undeniably has has struggles at the plate over the last 2 but only 26 years old, signed through 2025
He wrecked the Mets in that WC playoff series.
I can't believe he'd be hard to get from SD who has publicly said they plan to decrease payroll 20% for the 2024 season. He is not a big salary probably even with arbitration but if they attach him to one like Musgrove maybe it could work.
I like some of his underlying traits and at minimum is a plus fielder with speed and power who is only 26. The kind of player other teams buy low on and then they figure it out: I think his floor is solid enough that he’d be a nice addition.
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Very soon his agent will apply to free agency so in a few months Yariel could already be eligible to sign with an MLB team.
According to several international scouts I have consulted, Yariel could receive a 5-year contract in the range of 50-70 M.”
Easily one of the most impressive players in the WBC. Of the players I didn’t know much about, he and fellow FA Shota Imanaga were the 2 that made me think “who is that?”
I’ve had my eyes on Grisham as a trade target for @mets. Drafted by the Brewers in 2015 (pre-Stearns taking over) but was in their organization through 2019. Undeniably has has struggles at the plate over the last 2 but only 26 years old, signed through 2025
He wrecked the Mets in that WC playoff series.
I can't believe he'd be hard to get from SD who has publicly said they plan to decrease payroll 20% for the 2024 season. He is not a big salary probably even with arbitration but if they attach him to one like Musgrove maybe it could work.
I like some of his underlying traits and at minimum is a plus fielder with speed and power who is only 26. The kind of player other teams buy low on and then they figure it out: I think his floor is solid enough that he’d be a nice addition.
Not a player I'd get excited about, but he'd presumably be a lower cost option and like you said a plus fielder.
for the record though, he turns 27 in less than 30 days. Not that it matters, but when citing his age, it probably makes more sense to use the one he'll be when he plays his next game.
Rowdey Jordan 119 games 39 extra base hits 30/35 SB’s, .344 OBP, 105 wRC+ seeing time at 4 different positions. 2024 rule 5 eligible. One of the many young players who should see time with the 2024 @mets at some point
In 2024 is still a “young” player all things considered. Not as if he hasn’t had MLB success. Even with his struggles with the bat over the past 2 seasons-4.5 fWAR, 32 homers, 20 SB’s, 47 doubles (31 this season), 132 walks and a plus glove. To me, his floor is a good 4th OFer and his rebound upside is a legitimate regular on a good team. I wouldn’t give up a ton to get him (heck, may even be non tendered) but I like him as a depth target.
Boras is a bit of a nothingburger for me here. I’ve been saying my expectation was that Alonso and the Mets would go the Nimmo route in FA and who is Brandon Nimmo’s agent? How did that work out?
Yeah, but also doesn’t mean nothing. We can’t just assume that Alonso is going to go the same route as Nimmo. Different situations, different people.
Alonso seems like an emotional cat and he clearly wants the money and the years. This is a big reason a player signs with Boras. If the Mets wanted to resign Alonso and NOT grossly overpay, I think that just went out the window.
Not sure I understand. His options are sign during the season or hit the FA market (as Nimmo did). If he takes option one he’s obviously a Met and if he takes option 2 the Mets/Cohen can make the decision to make him the largest offer (as they did with Nimmo). Situations are exactly the same. The Mets had a chance to lock up Nimmo, rolled the dice on waiting, and then outbid other teams (namely Toronto) to keep their guy. Alonso being a different person than Nimmo really doesn’t matter. If you’re saying Alonso would hit FA and be unwilling to return to the Mets despite the top offer because he’s “emotional” then we will have to agree to disagree.
The path is the same but the situation is different. And I’m not saying that Alonso would hit FA and would be unwilling to return to the Mets because he’s “emotional”. Of course he’d take the highest offer.
My point is, Alonso/Nimmo are different people. It appears that Alonso may harbor some resentment about the Buck firing (had to be talked out of going to Cohen). He’s a premier power hitting first baseman in MLB vs a good center fielder. He’s looking for big years and big money. All things to be taken into consideration. And who really knows what their true motivation is. But generally, talk of Alonso’s frustration along with the contract differences and then change of agent (to Boras) all around the same time doesn’t give me good vibes. But that’s just me.
boras simplifies things with alonso just like nimmo
he is going to wait for FA and take the most money.
have to feel better about the chances of him extending with mets based on all the big deals they've done with boras than with that no-name agency he was with prior who haven't done any big deals. all those guys did was blow up their biggest client so who knows what else they were capable of mismanaging.
there's a chance it goes more like conforto than nimmo but the difference there was the mets didnt want conforto back by the time he got to FA, and then he hurt himself.
Diaz has begun throwing. TJ at the end of March, probably see him around mid-season if all things go well. Kind of a forgotten prospect (for good reason) but will only be 20 for the entire 2024 season.
Diaz has begun throwing. TJ at the end of March, probably see him around mid-season if all things go well. Kind of a forgotten prospect (for good reason) but will only be 20 for the entire 2024 season.
As I've noted previously, on my sheet I have 11 Mets pitchers rehabbing from TJ + other pitchers with "unannounced" injuries that very well could be.
Jeffrey Paternostro
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Taking the Cubs stuff at face value (and conveniently since I’m about to start writing their list) you aren’t getting PCA, Shaw, Caissie, Alcantara or Horton. Maybe you get Wicks but I doubt it. So you are looking at like two of Brown, Triantos, Rojas, Canario and Ferris.
Jeffrey Paternostro
@jeffpaternostro
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Taking the Cubs stuff at face value (and conveniently since I’m about to start writing their list) you aren’t getting PCA, Shaw, Caissie, Alcantara or Horton. Maybe you get Wicks but I doubt it. So you are looking at like two of Brown, Triantos, Rojas, Canario and Ferris.
lol I think I had three of the players he says they won't get in my proposal.
I'm probably not trading Alonso for two 5 - 15 prospects even a good farm system like the Cubs.
I'd rather wait to the deadline until someone is desperate or offer a QO and get a crappy comp pick.
Missed it but JT Schwartz with 2 hits and a walk in AFL play last night. Always tough to get excited about 1b prospects without much power but Schwartz had a nice season .305/.392/.432 over 3 levels and did see SOME time in the OF
Missed it but JT Schwartz with 2 hits and a walk in AFL play last night. Always tough to get excited about 1b prospects without much power but Schwartz had a nice season .305/.392/.432 over 3 levels and did see SOME time in the OF
I'm not particularly high on Brad Ausmus but I would not be surprised if he gets an interview with @mets. Ausmus was special assistant to now @mets GM Billy Eppler as well as serving as Angels manager for 1 season (reportedly replaced at the behest of Arte Moreno)
I'm not particularly high on Brad Ausmus but I would not be surprised if he gets an interview with @mets. Ausmus was special assistant to now @mets GM Billy Eppler as well as serving as Angels manager for 1 season (reportedly replaced at the behest of Arte Moreno)
Semi-local - born in New Haven, grew up in Cheshire, CT played baseball at Cheshire High with NYR hockey legend Brian Leetch.
Jeffrey Paternostro
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Taking the Cubs stuff at face value (and conveniently since I’m about to start writing their list) you aren’t getting PCA, Shaw, Caissie, Alcantara or Horton. Maybe you get Wicks but I doubt it. So you are looking at like two of Brown, Triantos, Rojas, Canario and Ferris.
And that is exactly why I don't see a much bw the Mets and Cubbies... Said it at deadline and yesterday
ive said it for 2 years or since whenever alonso trade convos started
the return is extremely unlikely to bring back anything worth it.
i guess i said it 2 years ago because that's when olson got traded at a very similar stage at the time 2+ years from FA, and the return even then was meh.
the only way i can see it now is if alonso is a piece to getting a different rental FA whose team thinks they have a better chance to sign alonso. maybe that's a milwaukee pitcher or soto. but im not betting on either because for the mets if you are trading for a CY pitcher or 500m soto, you'd rather have alonso still here too. or there's an arm stearns is so much higher on than his present organization, but that seems very unlikely.
Jeffrey Paternostro
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Taking the Cubs stuff at face value (and conveniently since I’m about to start writing their list) you aren’t getting PCA, Shaw, Caissie, Alcantara or Horton. Maybe you get Wicks but I doubt it. So you are looking at like two of Brown, Triantos, Rojas, Canario and Ferris.
Funny enough FG's had a very similar take
"If you assume that Alonso’s next team will get $11 million plus some hard-to-quantify amount of value from having the first shot at extending Alonso or netting a possible qualifying offer compensation pick, that would put the return for Alonso somewhere in the range of a 50 FV prospect. Just to provide some context of what a 50 FV means, the current 50s on the Cubs and Brewers, two teams that have reportedly talked with the Mets, are James Triantos, Sal Frelick, Kevin Alcántara, Ben Brown, and Jordan Wicks. That’s not to say that all or any of these players would be offered in an Alonso trade, only that this is the level of prospect the Mets could expect under these assumptions."
a pretty crappy group mentioned by Paternosto, I wouldn't project any of them as even above average regulars. I like Triantos enough but close to zero defensive value and "the power should come" has yet to happen. 2 of those guys for Alonso would be a major bummer and I'm the guy who is obsessed with prospects.
Mike Puma
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Buck Showalter is interested in the Angels’ managerial opening, according to a source, and trying hard to get an interview. The job isn’t deemed attractive within the industry because GM Perry Minasian is entering the final year of his contract. But Showalter wants to manage.
interesting re counsell murray is usually good and mil was his beat
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@ByRobertMurray
had the below to say about Craig Counsell:
“I have talked to plenty of different people in baseball who believe he will probably not return to Milwaukee”
Joe DeMayo
@PSLToFlushing
He also said he had someone close to Counsell tell him “If David Stearns and Steve Cohen came and offered Counsell a 5-year deal for $25-30 million, how does he turn that down?”
He noted Stephen Vogt as a real possibility to replace Counsell in Milwaukee if he were to depart
something has changed, the Mets have to interview at least one minority candidate so they probably will begin interviews soon even if Counsell is "the guy".
As for the big @mets news… AFL- Hardy 1 inning 1 hit 1 run 0 walks 2 k’s, Thomas 1 perfect 2 k’s (quite the mid-season pickup from the Cubs), Schwartz 0-4, Parada 1-4, Jordan 1-4, 2B, K (3 doubles through 2 games) #Mets
Francisco Lindor (never known for his arm) posted a career low 80 MPH on his throws from SS, down significantly from 2022 (83.3) but well within his normal range (80.1 in 2020, 80.5 in 2021) so the bone spurs presumably didn't have a major impact in the field
Francys Romero
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Cuban ace RHP Yariel Rodriguez (26) impressed yesterday in his first tryout with more than 15 MLB teams watching in the Dominican Republic.
After 6 months without active play, the speed, pitch movement and spin rate are there.
SNY Mets
@SNY_Mets
Francisco Lindor played through an elbow injury all season, reports @martinonyc
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“According to a person with direct knowledge of the situation, Lindor first felt the effects of the bone spur in his right elbow during spring training. The discomfort lingered through the season, but he did not want to make it public, or stop playing.
Lindor, who values what he calls 'posting up' as highly as anyone, played in 160 games this year and became the fourth player in Mets history to hit 30 home runs and steal 30 bases. But perhaps most impressive was his defense, newly unshackled by MLB’s limitations on defensive shifts. The rule changes showcased Lindor’s range and athleticism and led to many sparkling plays."
Francisco Alvarez REALLY struggled against LHP in 2023. He hit .171/.270/.341. Wasn't really part of his scouting report coming up so I'm not particularly concerned but I am mildly surprised at that line
AFL- The Glendale Desert Dogs (the team that has @mets players on it) has now been outscored 33-6 over the past 2 days. JT Schwartz 2-4, K, D'Andre Smith 1-4, Tyler Thomas 2 innings 3 hits 3 runs 3 walks 3 k's #Mets
Cohen and Lindor had dinner the night before Lindor's surgery and apparently it's something they do on occasion. Just to give you an idea of their relationship.
Lara went in the fourth round of that same 2023 Liga Dominicana Draft, ahead of other notable names such as Rayne Doncon, Yordanny Monegro (Red Sox No. 29 prospect), Yoniel Curet (Rays No. 15 prospect) and Jhancarlos Lara.
RoboScout ranked the Mets prospect No. 23 in Low-A after he put up a 122 wRC+ over 409 plate appearances as a 19-year-old. He’s only three months older than Samuel Zavala and their Low-A performances were actually quite similar. Lara, though, incurred much less attention.
o identify similar players, we need to set a baseline of performance across a variety of metrics. In order to perform this exercise properly, we need to blend contact, power and approach.
Our baseline benchmarks are as follows:
Contact rate above 75%
90th Percentile Exit Velocity above 102 mph
An average exit velocity above 86 mph
A chase rate below 30%
This blend of metrics gives us a similar baseline to both Amador and Caminero, while providing some wiggle room. The sample sizes we are working with are small, and a couple of well-struck balls in play can make a large difference.
Finally, we need to narrow the field down to players 18 years of age or younger. With the accelerated paths for domestic-aged players, I haven’t excluded players who appeared at a full-season level.
Jesus Baez, SS, Mets: Baez ranked 15th on the Florida Complex League Top 20 despite hitting .210/.306/.333 over 160 plate appearances. He shows a strong combination of consistent power, high-end power projection and strong plate skills. Outside a .245 batting average on balls in play and some scout notes on fringy swing decisions, nothing within Baez’s profile explains his poor batting average this season. From a pure metrical perspective, Baez is as strong a candidate as any of blossoming into an impact hitter.
Jeffry Rosa, OF, Mets: A 19-year-old power hitter, Rosa led the DSL in home runs and shows excellent exit velocity data. He misses the list due to a below-average contact rate of 68.8%. Few players at the complex level can match Rosa’s power, as his 105.9 mph 90th percentile exit velocity is elite for a teenager.
AFL play- The horrendous DevilDogs fell to 2-8, Parada 1-4, K, 0-5 throwing out runners, really awful AFL for Parada, Jordan 1-4, K, Smith 0-4, K, Schwartz 1-4, K #Mets
Per @Joelsherman1 @mets managerial search is still at the "preliminary point" but is expected to intensify in the next 2 weeks. Also noted, two "rival executives" believe it's possible @mets wait until after next season to hire a new GM #Mets
pulls his name from consideration for the Red Sox job citing family considerations. Whether that's BS or he's happy in Toronto aka also not a candidate for the Mets job, no clue.
is having himself a very nice Arizona Fall league. McLoughlin picked up the same for Glendale last night throwing 0.2 innings allowing 1 hit. McLoughlin is unscored upon over 5 appearances.
not expected to hire Beltran, Chavez etc as the next manager, will be an external hire per Sammon. Also noted Cora/Kirby's contracts are up but it's irrelevant as the Mets manager will likely want to bring in many of his own.
Hearing via sources that both Cleveland and the New York Mets have #BlueJays first base coach Mark Budzinski on their respective lists of managerial candidates.
If he stays in Toronto, I’ve also heard he could shift to the third base coach role after Luis Rivera’s retirement.
Per @BaseballAmerica a bunch of ex-@mets are now FA's- Travis Blankenhorn,Erasmo Ramírez, Tommy Milone, Domingo Tapia, Geoff Hartlieb, Jake Reed, Justin Dunn (former 1st round pick), Matt Reynolds (2nd round), Nabil Crismatt, Anthony Banda, José Rodríguez #Mets
Per @BaseballAmerica a bunch of ex-@mets are now FA's- Travis Blankenhorn,Erasmo Ramírez, Tommy Milone, Domingo Tapia, Geoff Hartlieb, Jake Reed, Justin Dunn (former 1st round pick), Matt Reynolds (2nd round), Nabil Crismatt, Anthony Banda, José Rodríguez #Mets
Blankenhorn crushed one out of PNC Park when I was in attendance. I think it hit the water, and was one of his very few HRs in the majors.
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Three veteran scouts - Joseph Kowal, Pat Jones and Eddie Bane - were fired this week by the Mets. A fourth, Chad MacDonald, stepped aside for personal reasons. Bane was in amateur scouting, the rest were in the pro scouting department.
He's actually had a pretty awful AFL. He's 2/21 throwing out runners and hitting .211/.250/.421 14 k's vs. 2 walks over 10 games
His stock is very much down, not a top 100 prospect anymore. Both he and Alex Ramirez saw their stocks fall the most of the Mets top names. Ramirez was a disaster, Parada more "disappointing" than terrible
Kevin Parada, C, New York Mets
The Mets’ Kevin Parada didn’t catch well and showed a 40 arm, although I have to point out that the AFL can be a treacherous place to evaluate catchers who’ve played a full season because they’re exhausted by October. He’s off to a miserable start in Arizona, with 10 strikeouts and just one walk along with a .259 OBP so far, but I saw his lone homer, a bomb to dead center off a Jackson Jobe changeup, and actually saw half of the six hits he’s had so far this fall in the two games I happened to catch.
the power continues to show up which is good because he will need power if his bat is going to play somewhere other than C, which seems likely.
in AFL he has 5 xbh in 42 at bats.
in AA he was 5 xbh in 54 at bats.
in A+ he was 36 in 340 at bats.
(46 in 436 total)
so he has been a little better than 1 xbh in 10 at bats all year regardless of level.
by way of comparison the met big leaguers who did that were lindor, alonso, nimmo though alvarez also came close.
nimmo 60 in 592
lindor 66 in 602
alonso 69 in 568
alvarez 37 in 382
jett in brooklyn was 18 in 127, which id imagine was highest rate of any player in met system at any individual level w/ 100+ abs. gilbert was 15 in 123 at AA. mauricio was 56 in 490 at cuse. clifford was 44 in 423 (10 in 117 at brooklyn despite hitting .188). acuna was 39 in 510, but was on pace before hitting just 5 in 148 at bing.
comparing to alvarez/baty/vientos in minors 2022:
2022 alvarez 49 in 411
2022 baty 41 in 362 (had 21 in 353 big leagues 2023)
2022 vientos 41 in 378 (had 15 in 218 big leagues 2023)
they obviously all wont work out but a pretty crazy amount of power in the system right now. it doesnt take a ton of projection to see parada getting himself into the 50+ xbh range next year, the question is if he can make more consistent contact and k less. and obviously defense though that seems less like a question and more like an inevitability.
assuming the 4 met big leagues who hit xbh at that level last year continue to do that, within the next 2 seasons it would seem like at minimum they should have another 2 doing that and at maximum that number has a chance to be a full lineup.
also a huge benefit that 3 of the 4 already doing it in mlb are at the premium defensive positions, which should ease transitions with less responsibility in corners.
Like the way he looked offensively a whole lot but -4 TRS for Stewart in the OF over a limited amount of innings (362). They should look to limit his time out there and/or use him when they have SP who are less FB prone
Positive side the Fielding Bible's Strike Zone stat very high on Alvarez ("Strike Zone - Value added/lost in strikes vs expected strikes (essentially pitch framing for catchers"). Alvarez was tied for the league lead with +11 and tied for 8th in total runs saved (+7)
the grades arent going to be there for his throwing bc the met pitchers were so bad at keeping runners on but his throwing was was very good. better than any recent met (i suppose better than most non-recent ones too bc i cant think of the last one better). by mph his arm and pop time were both top 1/3.
nimmo was disappointing but most of his worst plays were miscues. he had like 3 or 4 flat out drops in and out of the glove and at least 2 were important moments.
between gilbert, acuna, jett he probably only has 1 or 2 more years as full time cf.
The Scoop: Schwartz was excellent in the regular season despite being limited by injuries. He didn’t show much in the way of power, though, clubbing just four home runs in 66 games with High-A Brooklyn. The UCLA alum has found his power stroke in a big way in the Arizona Fall League. Schwartz hit his two home runs of the fall this past week, and his .628 slugging percentage is sixth-best on the circuit.
2 names @mets could potentially look to add to the organization with ties to Stearns are Chris Hook (Counsell's pitching coach for the the past 5 seasons) and Derek Johnson, the Reds director of pitching, spent 3 seasons with Stearns in Milwaukee, spoke highly of him #Mets
new Baseball United League held their draft today. ex-Mets drafted include Bartolo Colon (an investor), Robinson Cano (an investor), Jefry Marte, Alejandro De Aza, Akeel Morris, Akeem Bostick, AJ Schugel, Jhoan Urena
Andy Martino
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Craig Counsell is not averse to coming to New York if he and the Mets prove a fit.
i would imagine the guy he worked with and the richest owner in baseball are probably willing to prove a fit. Craig Counsell is not averse to coming to New York, sources say Geography will not be a roadblock if Counsell wants to reunite with David Stearns - ( New Window )
I think it will also depend on personnel and staffing decisions. Probably doesn’t want a micromanagement of the lineup card or having staff foisted on him.
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Craig Counsell is not averse to coming to New York if he and the Mets prove a fit.
i would imagine the guy he worked with and the richest owner in baseball are probably willing to prove a fit. Craig Counsell is not averse to coming to New York, sources say Geography will not be a roadblock if Counsell wants to reunite with David Stearns - ( New Window )
I think it will also depend on personnel and staffing decisions. Probably doesn’t want a micromanagement of the lineup card or having staff foisted on him.
why would stearns organize things any differently in that regard than he did in MIL?
this one isn't complicated, either way counsell will probably be working for someone he's worked with for the last half decade. geography, compensation, resources to win WS are the differences.
AFL- Schwartz 0-4, K, Parada 1-5, HR, 3 k's, 0-2 throwing out runners (2-23), Smith 2-4, 2 k's, Clenney 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 1 k (0.00 era in the AFL) #Mets
Chris Cotillo
@ChrisCotillo
Source confirms Twins GM Thad Levine is no longer in the running in the Red Sox baseball ops search, as @jeremynygaard
and @alexspeier
have reported. Unclear if he pulled himself out. But another perceived top candidate out.
Alex Speier
@alexspeier
Continuing to update the Red Sox search for a new head of baseball operations: Confirmed that Breslow has advanced in the process. Unknown if anyone else has. Multiple industry sources consider Breslow the favorite to get the job. https://bostonglobe.com/2023/10/23/sports/red-sox-reportedly-narrow-field-candidates-head-baseball-operations-job/?event=event25
via @BostonGlobe
Eno Sarris
@enosarris
If Giants bench coach Kai Correa becomes available (he's got another year on his contract), he should be snapped up. Helped push a group of veterans not known for their gloves into a decent defensive team (#1 in OAA for team infield!) Mets fit?
Dennis Lin
@dennistlin
The current expectation from within the Padres is that Ryan Flaherty or Mike Shildt will get the job, even if external candidates are interviewed.
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
Mets roster moves: Danny Mendick, Michael Perez, Jonathan Arauz, Rafael Ortega and Vinny Nittoli elected free agency after being outrighted off the 40-man roster.
Also, Anthony Kay was claimed off waivers by the Athletics.
@BaseballAmerica draft report card
-Houck the top hitter
-Clark best debut
-McLean most power
-Houck/Ewing best runners noted they didn't take many plus runners
-McLean FB
-Hall best CU
-Houck best athlete
-Sproat closest to MLB (no obvious pick)
-Clark best late pick #Mets
“He took a step forward to being great this year,” said one National League pro scouting director who has made multiple trips to Japan. “He’s got so many weapons. Pitchability is so good….This guy has power, feel, aptitude, deception. He makes it work. He’s going to be a No. 2 or No. 3 starter.”
“He’s special,” an American League international crosschecker said. “There have been some special guys who are 5-10. There aren’t that many, that’s the concern, but the stuff is good enough. He’s got the stuff to do it and he holds his stuff. I don’t think he’ll have an issue.”
“He’d be one where he could be a big money guy,” said an NL special assistant with extensive history scouting the Pacific Rim. “No injuries, super durable, good delivery, fast arm. The sky is the limit on this guy.”
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The Mets have received permission to interview Craig Counsell for their managerial position, reports @martinonyc
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The Mets have received permission to interview Craig Counsell for their managerial position, reports @martinonyc
They will be interviewing him soon
would think just a matter of time now. counsell had all the leverage needed without an interview if he and MIL were going to find a deal that works.
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The Mets have received permission to interview Craig Counsell for their managerial position, reports @martinonyc
They will be interviewing him soon
would think just a matter of time now. counsell had all the leverage needed without an interview if he and MIL were going to find a deal that works.
Unless he wants to take Cohen's offer back to MIL for them to match
2 names @mets could potentially look to add to the organization with ties to Stearns are Chris Hook (Counsell's pitching coach for the the past 5 seasons) and Derek Johnson, the Reds director of pitching, spent 3 seasons with Stearns in Milwaukee, spoke highly of him #Mets
Very much relevant even if they don't bring in Counsell (which I think they will).
Pierce Johnson might be an interesting addition to @mets BP. 2023 4.02 era/3.89 FIP, 12.93 K/9. Too many walks but the Mets pen could use multiple pen additions
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The Mets have received permission to interview Craig Counsell for their managerial position, reports @martinonyc
They will be interviewing him soon
would think just a matter of time now. counsell had all the leverage needed without an interview if he and MIL were going to find a deal that works.
Unless he wants to take Cohen's offer back to MIL for them to match
his agent knows what the offer is that's awaiting him and im sure they've already given milwaukee a number. or milwaukee gave him their best number and it's nowhere near what the mets are going to offer.
the mets are likely to make him the highest paid or near highest paid manager in baseball. it is a near certainty they communicated that prior to any interview. the fact that he is getting to the interview would indicate that milwaukee isnt willing to do that.
paid is apparently Bochy at 4.5 + incentives. Highest ever was Torre 7.5/8 (depending on the source). Counsell won't come near Torre (Cohen or not) but sure seems likely he'll be the highest paid manager in baseball in 2024.
and the self-interest in milwaukee letting stearns interview with the mets would appear to me to be a last hailmary option only in the event they have no other path forward in their negotiations with him.
sort of a "if you love something let it go and if its meant to be it will come back to you". maybe a homeless guy pisses on him in the elevator in ny and decides it's not for him. who knows.
it also allows them to start their own search quicker and start locking down asst coaches as opposed to waiting if the inevitable is that counsell was going to sign in NY in november.
paid is apparently Bochy at 4.5 + incentives. Highest ever was Torre 7.5/8 (depending on the source). Counsell won't come near Torre (Cohen or not) but sure seems likely he'll be the highest paid manager in baseball in 2024.
agreed im expecting something like 5x5. buck was getting almost 4x3 so 5x5 isnt even a big increase for mets.
i think one of the best actually speculated on the 5x5 (martino?)
or maybe it was heyman/sherman saying "what if the mets offer him 25m over 5 years?". either way im sure stearns told his agent "we'll make your guy the highest paid manager in baseball" and the last 3 weeks has been counsell and milwaukee going through their negotiation and arriving at the conclusion that there's no deal to be made barring a last minute change of heart on either side.
the leak last week about counsell being "open to NY geographically" was probably a final prod to see if milwaukee would get to the $ he wants.
what you will about Torre but he obviously deserved the money. 5 rings is 5 rings. There isn't exactly a Torre adjacent right now aka a guy with multiple rings so Counsell being the highest paid (because that's how FA tends to work) makes sense to me. I personally think Cash is the best manager in baseball but I can't declare that definitively.
what you will about Torre but he obviously deserved the money. 5 rings is 5 rings. There isn't exactly a Torre adjacent right now aka a guy with multiple rings so Counsell being the highest paid (because that's how FA tends to work) makes sense to me. I personally think Cash is the best manager in baseball but I can't declare that definitively.
managers are such a personality/individual market fit, if i had my choice of any manager im pretty sure i'd rule out almost anyone who has only managed in 1 market. like i dont think snitker would be a good fit here.
melvin and bochy probably the 2 best still doing it even though probably each has 1 foot into retirement like francona and dusty.
counsell is obviously a little different since stearns has worked with him before, but as an example if there were no stearns and it was eppler hiring counsell id be similarly excited about the upside since his record speaks for itself but with slightly lower expectations because there's more risk the fit isnt right.
the X-factor in this market is dealing with the media and the expectations that come with that. I'm unclear why the NFL media policy is so different than MLB but Buck was expected to speak to the media before and after every game... 162 games. It's a lot. Wasn't a big Buck guy but thanks to his experience both in this market, and working as a member of the media, he never really stepped in it or lost his temper.
the X-factor in this market is dealing with the media and the expectations that come with that. I'm unclear why the NFL media policy is so different than MLB but Buck was expected to speak to the media before and after every game... 162 games. It's a lot. Wasn't a big Buck guy but thanks to his experience both in this market, and working as a member of the media, he never really stepped in it or lost his temper.
correct there is an internal fit and external fit. with stearns it's easy to figure the internal fit is a known quantity. it will still be different than milwaukee because cohen is different and it's a bigger organization but the general way of operating should be familiar.
externally it will be a totally different fit and there is risk there for both sides. if things dont work out there will be 10's of millions of people unleashing vitriol towards him that arent today. the 100's of cameras in his face every day that arent there in milwaukee are im sure the biggest factor he's weighing (other than $). having been a player on WS teams im sure he at least feels like he's seen it before as compared to someone like mickey callaway who completely disassembled.
@mets currently have 33 players on their 40 man roster + 4 on the 60-day IL who will have to be added. There are of course multiple players who will likely be removed and/or Rule 5 eligible players who may be added #Mets
Billy Eppler “resigned” as Mets general manager, but is being paid for what would have been the final two years on his contract, an indicator of reality — that his bosses told him to exit in this way or they would just fire him, The Post has learned.
Bob Nightengale
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Congratulations to the 10 finalists for the Ford Frick award to be inducted into the Hall of Fame:
Joe Buck, Joe Castiglione, Gary Cohen, Jacques Doucet, Tom Hamilton, Ernie Johnson Sr., Ken Korach, Mike Krukow, Duane Kuiper and Dan Shulman.
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
The Mets have received at least one inquiry from an opposing team on pitching coach Jeremy Hefner, who is under contract for next season. But team officials have been told by Hefner that he will wait to wait to see if he fits in the Mets' plans before considering other jobs.
Billy Eppler “resigned” as Mets general manager, but is being paid for what would have been the final two years on his contract, an indicator of reality — that his bosses told him to exit in this way or they would just fire him, The Post has learned.
LOL
That sounds like a full story is being told here..
The Guardians have joined @mets in requesting permission to speak to Counsell and are viewed as a legitimate destination for Counsell. Also noted that "one league source" would not be surprised if Counsell remains in Milwaukee
The Guardians have joined @mets in requesting permission to speak to Counsell and are viewed as a legitimate destination for Counsell. Also noted that "one league source" would not be surprised if Counsell remains in Milwaukee
Also from Sammon
"Given Counsell’s reputation as one of the game’s best managers, it stands to reason that every team with a vacancy has interest in him, though some teams will be more attractive to him than others. The Houston Astros are expected to join the San Diego Padres, Cleveland Guardians and Los Angeles Angels with managerial openings. Also, teams with current managers that might want to make a change shouldn’t be ruled out."
Francys Romero
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Cuban ace Yariel Rodriguez (26) had another excellent showcase in front of the 30 MLB teams.
There are about 4-5 teams actively in the bid for Rodriguez, per sources.
Today he faced respectful hitters such as Abraham Almonte and the Giants prospect, Marco Luciano. He again exhibited a lot of stability in speed through the innings. His speed was between 94-97 MPH.
His partner in the World Baseball Classic, Luis Robert Jr. was present in the stands of Quisqueya stadium and when he finished the showcase he came down to greet him. Rodriguez is represented by Edgar Mercedes and Born To Play.
Pierce Johnson might be an interesting addition to @mets BP. 2023 4.02 era/3.89 FIP, 12.93 K/9. Too many walks but the Mets pen could use multiple pen additions
Braves signed him. 2 year $14.25 million.
i saw someone predict Brent Suter bc of his history with stearns
I’ve seen Rodriguez projected at as high as 70 million. I really, really doubt he gets anywhere near that after a year away from the game and limited experience as a SP
that's a name that would seem to make a lot of sense for the BP. his savant page is insane for a guy in colorado throwing 87 mph.
I saw that too. He'd be a perfect second lefty in the bullpen to go along with Raley.
Solid RP but he actually has reverse splits. Lefties hit .284/.370/.421 against him this year. Something to consider if that's the role you're looking for.
I saw a clip of him on SNY and it sounded like an opinion and a nothingburger. Said something to the effect of "do we know he even wants to come to the mets?".
on top of the obvious ($) he/his agent are at least leaking that they have interest and are going to interview. we know milwaukee gave permission. nothing is ever a guarantee until a contract is signed but i think there's clearly some level of significant interest on both sides making dicomo's position nothing more than skepticism.
Puma- Diaz is progressing, they sent trainers down to his home in PR and set him up with a bullpen in his home (he couldn't afford it? lol). Sounds like Diaz pitching in September wasn't ever really in the cards despite the buzz.
is sky high on Jett Williams. Not sure where he lands defensively but raved about him on their podcast.
i think that's going to become consensus - his xbh explosion those last 2 months at his age and with that walk rate, he is true 5 tool and showing up in game. there aren't many of those guys getting to upper levels as teenagers. pretty sure alvarez probably the only met prospect to do that in the last 2 decades unless im forgetting someone.
mauricio was always young/big tools and his age 18 was entirely in A ball with only 4 homers in 116 games. 93 wrc. his age 19 was a wash out because of covid in 2020, but it seems unlikely he'd have come anywhere close to putting up jett a19 numbers. he didn't come close in his a20 in 2021 other than the power.
anything can happen with prospects but if jett has anywhere close to the kind of year he had last year he may end up getting at bats in queens at some point.
is sky high on Jett Williams. Not sure where he lands defensively but raved about him on their podcast.
That is definitely a shift for BA. BA has tended to prefer great body types/loud tools guys over production.
jett has some pretty big exit velos. imo that's the loudest tool there is now and it's so much less subjective than any other tool. it's an electronically sourced number over big sample sizes (all bbes).
for clarity Ben Badler and Carlos Collazo of BA (who host their podcast) are sky-high on him. I can't say I know the entire site is high on him, I have no idea.
is sky high on Jett Williams. Not sure where he lands defensively but raved about him on their podcast.
That is definitely a shift for BA. BA has tended to prefer great body types/loud tools guys over production.
How a guy looks has been replaced by pure numbers.
He has speed, has been replaced by he runs an x
He has power potential, has been replaced by EV
H he has life in his pitch, has been replaced by his spin rate.
No one wants to hear what he might be able to do, when you can measure what he can actually do lol
is sky high on Jett Williams. Not sure where he lands defensively but raved about him on their podcast.
That is definitely a shift for BA. BA has tended to prefer great body types/loud tools guys over production.
How a guy looks has been replaced by pure numbers.
He has speed, has been replaced by he runs an x
He has power potential, has been replaced by EV
H he has life in his pitch, has been replaced by his spin rate.
No one wants to hear what he might be able to do, when you can measure what he can actually do lol
it's crazy how quickly all the data is becoming public, but really helps understand why some organizations seemed like they had crazy advantages over the prior 10-15 years. The ones that had more data on what players were actually doing, and more importantly valuing/using that data, it's really the difference between being able to see something on TV in 8k or only hear about it on the radio.
exciting to have an exec who was really on the forefront of that with one of those organizations. and an owner willing to spend on whatever the data is that's available that we don't know about because if statcast is as good as it is i can only imagine the dashboards the top teams have created for all levels.
Certain guys didn’t idolize him and take all of his advice lol
he seems like a super intense guy who has issues with anyone not as intense as him. he played well here and didnt do anything wrong while he was here, but also seems not worth the lightning rod effect.
Data is amazing when you know what it means. Deadly when you THONK you understand it and really solely on it.
Same with a scouts opinion.
Works best when you have multiple checks. And the rare time they all agree, or catch a problem the other is missing.
There’s nothing better than when one department catches something, and asks the other to find out why…
I think he teamwould be better off. He’d make a great first base coach one day IMO
i got the sense from one of the interviews canha did that he's not for everybody.
canha seemed to like him/not have any problems with him, but also seemed to have his own way of doing things different from pham's. canha is also a winning player who i think translates to being a very good role player, so i think its ok for there to be different strokes for different folks. i see the appeal of high energy grinders (like counsell was) and maybe even players guys with an edge like pham, but every situation is different.
Data is amazing when you know what it means. Deadly when you THONK you understand it and really solely on it.
Same with a scouts opinion.
Works best when you have multiple checks. And the rare time they all agree, or catch a problem the other is missing.
There’s nothing better than when one department catches something, and asks the other to find out why…
data only ever as good as the people interpreting it.
I think he teamwould be better off. He’d make a great first base coach one day IMO
i got the sense from one of the interviews canha did that he's not for everybody.
canha seemed to like him/not have any problems with him, but also seemed to have his own way of doing things different from pham's. canha is also a winning player who i think translates to being a very good role player, so i think its ok for there to be different strokes for different folks. i see the appeal of high energy grinders (like counsell was) and maybe even players guys with an edge like pham, but every situation is different.
No different than your own life. Ever met someone who knows everting and thinks his way is always the best way? They pay attention to all the details, so they’re right more often than nit.
But when they’re blunt, it rubs people the wrong way.
Till one day they look back, and appreciate it.
That’s Pham. And that’s why a lot of guys hate him, then miss him.
@BaseballAmerica ranks Kodai Senga the #5 best NL rookie in 2023, Francisco Alvarez came in at #7. Senga's pre-season grade improved from 55-60, Alvarez's downgraded from 65 to 60, Brett Baty 50 #Mets
Zack Meisel
@ZackMeisel
Craig Counsell is in Cleveland to meet with the Guardians about their managerial opening, league sources tell @WillSammon
and me.
@mets have activated activated RHP Cole Gordon. The last player they activated from the 60 day was released (Herlyn Pena) later that day. Hopefully, not the case with Gordon, a sleeper for me prior to his injury #Mets
Per @WillSammon and @ZackMeisel Craig Counsell met with @CleGuardians today and will next meet with @Mets (though the date is not yet known). League sources indicate the Brewers have "some internal hope" he will return to @Brewers #Mets
"But while the Brewers are still in the bidding — in fact, they made an offer soon after the season ended — he’s said to be “serious” about his interest in the Mets, according to people close to the situation.
Multiple people mentioned that Counsell and wife Michelle very much like New York, which gives the Mets a decent chance in the case of the most-watched managerial free agency in years.
One other issue that may help the Mets is that Counsell is said to be interested in raising the bar for managerial salaries, which have stagnated or even trended lower in recent years, from a high of Joe Torre’s $8 million at his height in the Yankees’ dynasty. "
@mets have activated activated RHP Cole Gordon. The last player they activated from the 60 day was released (Herlyn Pena) later that day. Hopefully, not the case with Gordon, a sleeper for me prior to his injury #Mets
"But while the Brewers are still in the bidding — in fact, they made an offer soon after the season ended — he’s said to be “serious” about his interest in the Mets, according to people close to the situation.
Multiple people mentioned that Counsell and wife Michelle very much like New York, which gives the Mets a decent chance in the case of the most-watched managerial free agency in years.
One other issue that may help the Mets is that Counsell is said to be interested in raising the bar for managerial salaries, which have stagnated or even trended lower in recent years, from a high of Joe Torre’s $8 million at his height in the Yankees’ dynasty. "
beautiful. would be malpractice for his agent to not try given the circumstances. 6mx5 incoming.
@mets
have released nearly 30 players. Cole Gordon, Kolby Kubichek, Manuel Guance, Nick Meyer, Elliot Johnstone, Pedro Mercedes, Ramon Henriquez, Luis Castillo, Fernando Villalobos, Christopher Vasquez, Yordis Perera, Eric Santana, Gregory Leal, Jonaiker Palacios, Sammy Tavarez, Luis A Rodriguez (the righty), Joe Joe Rodriguez, Luis Montas, Dylan Hall, Chase Estep, Carlos Dominguez. Cesar Berbesi, Dyron Campos, Matt Minnick
is free to sign with another team starting tomorrow. Tide sure seems to be suggesting Counsell will be coming to the Mets (though of course, the two sides have yet to actually meet).
@mets
have released nearly 30 players. Cole Gordon, Kolby Kubichek, Manuel Guance, Nick Meyer, Elliot Johnstone, Pedro Mercedes, Ramon Henriquez, Luis Castillo, Fernando Villalobos, Christopher Vasquez, Yordis Perera, Eric Santana, Gregory Leal, Jonaiker Palacios, Sammy Tavarez, Luis A Rodriguez (the righty), Joe Joe Rodriguez, Luis Montas, Dylan Hall, Chase Estep, Carlos Dominguez. Cesar Berbesi, Dyron Campos, Matt Minnick
Surprised the most with Dominguez and Estep. Estep only because he was 2022 draftee. Had a terrible year but still a surprise.
@mets
have released nearly 30 players. Cole Gordon, Kolby Kubichek, Manuel Guance, Nick Meyer, Elliot Johnstone, Pedro Mercedes, Ramon Henriquez, Luis Castillo, Fernando Villalobos, Christopher Vasquez, Yordis Perera, Eric Santana, Gregory Leal, Jonaiker Palacios, Sammy Tavarez, Luis A Rodriguez (the righty), Joe Joe Rodriguez, Luis Montas, Dylan Hall, Chase Estep, Carlos Dominguez. Cesar Berbesi, Dyron Campos, Matt Minnick
Surprised the most with Dominguez and Estep. Estep only because he was 2022 draftee. Had a terrible year but still a surprise.
Maybe with all of the bats picked up in trade there just wasn't a roster space and it was not worth keeping him around as organizational fodder
Mets claim RHP Penn Murfee off waivers from Seattle.
Tim Britton
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Mets announce they've claimed RHP Penn Murfee off waivers from the Mariners. Murfee has a 2.70 ERA over 80 appearances the last two seasons but had surgery to repair a torn UCL this past summer.
Joe Doyle
@JoeDoyleMiLB
Penn Murfee could be a really sneaky pick up for the Mets for late-2024, but more so 2025 and beyond if he can get back to form.
Really effective relief arm the last two seasons for Seattle. Very unique look.
Current (some P injuries are ?) @mets P rehabbing TJS.... Dylan Ross, Robert Dominguez, Matt Allan, Coleman Crow, Joel Diaz, Raimon Gomez, John Valle, Marcel Renteria, Jace Beck, Bryce Montes De Oca, Penn Murfee #Mets
Per Martino, Counsell has yet to formally interview for @mets managerial position. While Stearns obviously knows Counsell exceedingly well, have to believe Cohen will meet with Counsell before any offer is actually made
@mets have had their first official managerial interview per @nypost…. @Yankees bench coach Carlos Mendoza. He was previously mentioned as a candidate by Andy Martino #Mets
The Athletic
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NEWS: The San Diego Padres took out a loan for about $50 million in September to address short-term cash flow issues and meet their obligations, including player payroll.
The Athletic
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NEWS: The San Diego Padres took out a loan for about $50 million in September to address short-term cash flow issues and meet their obligations, including player payroll.
their spending spree was/is still insane. living in padre country i asked a few who i know are close to the team how they were spending the way they were last offseason and never got an answer that didn't sound like rainbows/unicorns. their broadcast partner is bankrupt. seidler's net worth is a fraction of cohens and even cohen talked about his own spending not being sustainable. and while cohen may have spent more short term, he has handed out a lot less long term than the pads have.
soto is the most attractive asset but i wonder if they wouldnt be happier to have someone take machado or xander off their hands even though they just signed them. that could be a crazy offseason ahead.
The Athletic
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NEWS: The San Diego Padres took out a loan for about $50 million in September to address short-term cash flow issues and meet their obligations, including player payroll.
To a few people about Andy Green and my takeaway is “pass”. Very vanilla personality, questionable with the bullpen and players liked him enough but didn’t have much of a presence.
Mendoza is very highly regarded, hard worker, he’s essentially been the Yankees version Luis Rojas. Has been coaching for 13 years despite not being 43. I doubt either one is the next manager even if Counsell passes.
lol. The Pads are a team I admire. I actually hate to see them go through this. At least their owners want to win and are willing to spend to do it, unlike a whole buncha other teams' owners. We are blessed to have Uncle Steve own this club. How goes it with you Rory?
P.S. We should give Eric in LI a visit out in Padreland! Beautiful part of the country. Nothing like sunshine and warm weather. The Northeast is cold and ooglay A.F. today.
Pareda has shown anything in AFL to indicate he won’t be a bust?
He’s bad a very poor AFL but it’s also his first full season and as a catcher that can be grueling. If he repeats his 2023 in 2024, then yeah you probably can label him a “miss”.
lol. The Pads are a team I admire. I actually hate to see them go through this. At least their owners want to win and are willing to spend to do it, unlike a whole buncha other teams' owners. We are blessed to have Uncle Steve own this club. How goes it with you Rory?
P.S. We should give Eric in LI a visit out in Padreland! Beautiful part of the country. Nothing like sunshine and warm weather. The Northeast is cold and ooglay A.F. today.
my record at padreland isnt so good. machado hit 2 balls off scherzer that still havent landed.
Be pretty shocked if Counsell isn’t the Mets next manager but if he decides to stay, so be it. Won’t cripple the Mets. Yamamoto remains the key to the off-season to me (I’m assuming they don’t land Ohtani, not looking to debate this opinion, just my gut)
Pareda has shown anything in AFL to indicate he won’t be a bust?
He’s bad a very poor AFL but it’s also his first full season and as a catcher that can be grueling. If he repeats his 2023 in 2024, then yeah you probably can label him a “miss”.
-Counsell’s interview is today
don't really say this as a prediction, but there is no reason counsell shouldn't be ready to make a decision in the next few days ahead of offseason activity picking up. if you were him and you've had a month to think about all your options, why wait and delay being able to weigh in on decisions on the roster you're going to be managing? that's regardless of whichever team he decides to manage.
Its common knowledge at this point Counsel is a team player and looking to reset the manager market.
I just want to point out, this no longer means just $$, but terms. That's the thing to keep an eye on IMO.
let's see how this thing loands
Going to guess he’s a Met. 5 years 30ish million. Torre’s high AAV deal was 19.2 over 3, this obviously would be the biggest contract ever for a manager (something he could hang his hat on) and move the current highest AAV from 4.5 (Bochy) to 6+, a 1/3 increase. Not saying it’s a lock he comes. I just think he will.
bhill here's the encouraging sign on parada - extra base hits
all year he has hit 1 extra base it every 10 at bats. every level. he has 7 in 62 in AFL. that's why he has a 657 ops / 403 slg despite hitting under 200. 1 xbh per 10 at bats is 50+ in a full year, which is basically a 20-30 homer player.
that will not carry the rest of his game if he doesn't improve the BA or find some level of playable defense somewhere, but it's a lot easier to improve the non-power stuff than vice versa. and if the bat improves enough without the defense at least DH is an option.
he's also playing ahead of his age more than a typical college draftee because he'd only played 2 years at GT. Conforto for comparison played 3 years of college so his age 21 was his draft year and he never got above A-. his first full year was his age 22 which will be next year for Parada, and he's already at AA/having played in AFL. Next year is the key year for him.
Going to guess he’s a Met. 5 years 30ish million. Torre’s high AAV deal was 19.2 over 3, this obviously would be the biggest contract ever for a manager (something he could hang his hat on) and move the current highest AAV from 4.5 (Bochy) to 6+, a 1/3 increase. Not saying it’s a lock he comes. I just think he will.
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Answer to the question of why it seemingly took so long for Mets to interview Craig Counsell: There was a long phone conversation already. Plus, obviously, he and Stearns know each other well.
not really predicting today is a final "let's do this" meeting, but also not predicting it's not. i agree with you dan, if i had to bet one way or the other its happening and probably in the next few days.
"I don’t think those recent contracts, certainly negotiated by others, are really relevant to anything that has to do with what’s going to happen in the future," Boras said on The Show podcast with Jon Heyman and Joel Sherman. "Particularly with Pete Alonso."
The two deals that are most often cited when trying to determine what Alonso should get paid are the ones inked by Matt Olson and Freddie Freeman.
Ahead of his age-28 season, Olson signed an eight-year extension with the Braves worth $168 million.
Entering his age-32 season, Freeman signed a six-year, $162 million free agent deal with the Dodgers.
Neither Freeman (a more well-rounded hitter than Alonso) nor Olson (who was younger and two full years from free agency when he signed his deal) is a perfect comp for Alonso, but it's close enough.
But Boras doesn't believe those deals should color what Alonso should get.
"We all work in different markets, and I got Mark Teixeira a contract where he became a world champion with the Yankees for $180 million in 2007," Boras said. "I also understand I got Prince Fielder a contract at [$214 million] in 2011. There are different markets, different representation, and different dynamics you look at."
Was explicitly told the Mets will not chase QO FA’s other than Ohtani. Snell would cost them their 2nd and 5th round picks, about 2.5 million in draft money and 1 million in IFA money
Also “had to” meet with Cohen so for all we know this is the final step. I’m not saying I’ve heard that. Just that it’s possible.
right and in this case with the public-ness of it and fact that counsell wouldnt be a direct report to cohen, i doubt they get to that meeting if either side isnt prepared to move forward.
Mets have one of their biggest (if not the biggest IFA bonus- a rumored 3-4 million) signings coming in 2025 so losing 1 million in IFA money is something they really can’t “afford” to do.
I think the upper, upper ceiling the Mets are willing to go with pete is 7/$200 ballpark.
Which Boras probably would laugh them out of the room on.
Unforuntately, unless Pete steps in and demands to stay a career met, I don't think this is happening. And it honestly might be for the better for both sides that way.
Mets have one of their biggest (if not the biggest IFA bonus- a rumored 3-4 million) signings coming in 2025 so losing 1 million in IFA money is something they really can’t “afford” to do.
their pool is i think right around 6 so they could they'd just have to punt on any other high priced guys or go with a super small class of just 1-2 more guys.
i dont expect them to do it bc there are enough FA SP who wont require it but i dont think it's a total 3rd rail. obviously they are prepared for the possibility in the event they get ohtani. like if that were to happen id imagine they aren't going to totally blow up their IFA class and break a bunch of deals they've made, id imagine they already have the $1m set aside but would rather be able to spend it as opposed to not.
Mets have one of their biggest (if not the biggest IFA bonus- a rumored 3-4 million) signings coming in 2025 so losing 1 million in IFA money is something they really can’t “afford” to do.
their pool is i think right around 6 so they could they'd just have to punt on any other high priced guys or go with a super small class of just 1-2 more guys.
i dont expect them to do it bc there are enough FA SP who wont require it but i dont think it's a total 3rd rail. obviously they are prepared for the possibility in the event they get ohtani. like if that were to happen id imagine they aren't going to totally blow up their IFA class and break a bunch of deals they've made, id imagine they already have the $1m set aside but would rather be able to spend it as opposed to not.
5.2 million for 2023 for the Mets (he’s a 2025) giving an example but no teams break deals all the time. In fact, Eppler is currently being sued for 2 broken deals
Draft would be greatly impacted losing a 2nd and 5th round pick as well. Thats significant draft pool spending, especially if they pick 17th and not 6th. Extremely high price to pay
Draft would be greatly impacted losing a 2nd and 5th round pick as well. Thats significant draft pool spending, especially if they pick 17th and not 6th. Extremely high price to pay
Agreed Dan. You lose those picks for Ohtani and don't think twice about. Blake Snell? He's really good but probably not the path forward I see the Mets taking.
Draft would be greatly impacted losing a 2nd and 5th round pick as well. Thats significant draft pool spending, especially if they pick 17th and not 6th. Extremely high price to pay
And yeah Ohtani is 1 of 1. Snell not so much. Good pitcher but he’s not particularly young (31 this upcoming season) and is the kind of move you make when you’re close and need one more piece. That’s not the Mets on paper. I’d be stunned if the Mets pivot and make such a move.
I think the upper, upper ceiling the Mets are willing to go with pete is 7/$200 ballpark.
Which Boras probably would laugh them out of the room on.
Unforuntately, unless Pete steps in and demands to stay a career met, I don't think this is happening. And it honestly might be for the better for both sides that way.
on an early extension i agree. im sure boras is trying to use devers as a comp and i dont think he's totally wrong to do so since devers defense is a bigger negative than alonso regardless of where he plays (which will probably be 1b or DH sooner rather than later).
but if he gets to FA, im just not sure where he goes.
boston already has 300m on devers.
freeman is signed through 2027 in LA.
yankees can get out of rizzo if they want, but have stanton through 27.
braves olson.
toronto vlad jr.
harper/hoslins in phi.
abreu 1 more year in houston (plus alvarez).
pads out of money.
so cubs? tex? sfg? laa? those were the only 12 teams other than mets with payroll above 170m last year.
if im mets im pretty comfortable saying our offer is to be the only 200m 1b in baseball right now. but if you want to wait to try find something better bring it back and maybe we'll top it.
Details on the latest with Craig Counsell, per @martinonyc:
🔸 Counsell had a long telephone chat with the Mets: "Some sources classified that as an interview, others classified it as a conversation. He is receiving his callback Thursday."
🔸 Counsell is open to the idea of coming to New York
🔸 Team hoping to hire Counsell do not know where his talks with the Brewers stand
One source called Mendoza a "finalist" with the Mets, but another source called that word too strong. The Mets themselves have not anointed "finalists." We are in a semantic season, so here are the facts:
- Mendoza had a first-round interview last week, which was not in person.
- Several other candidates received first-round interviews and did not receive in-person callbacks.
- Mendoza had an in-person callback Wednesday.
- That interview was said to have gone well, and Mendoza remains involved in the process.
Take that back, Badler apparently said on his podcast Pena will receive “most if not all” of the Mets 2025 IFA pool. Will crush the Mets previous bonus #
Draft would be greatly impacted losing a 2nd and 5th round pick as well. Thats significant draft pool spending, especially if they pick 17th and not 6th. Extremely high price to pay
Agreed Dan. You lose those picks for Ohtani and don't think twice about. Blake Snell? He's really good but probably not the path forward I see the Mets taking.
not saying this is snell, but if you think any pitcher available is wheeler 2019 that price is a nothing-burger comparatively if you're right.
if you could put wheeler on this team right now but you had to give up this year's brandon sproat (1.5m) and christopher larez (1.4m) they would do that in a heartbeat.
since 2020 wheeler has more fwar than any sp in baseball so that's an extreme outcome but nola is 4th on that list, burnes is 2nd (would be trade cost), montgomery 19th, snell 24th. shohei is 22nd even w/ injury.
of course you prefer the guys who dont cost the qo but that's not an infinite list.
Have verbal deals with 7 2025 players, none outside of Pena are “big names”. Pena is going to play in the NWL this winter against players twice his age. Cheslor Cuthbert for example played there last season. If he even gets playing time that would be impressive.
lol. The Pads are a team I admire. I actually hate to see them go through this. At least their owners want to win and are willing to spend to do it, unlike a whole buncha other teams' owners. We are blessed to have Uncle Steve own this club. How goes it with you Rory?
P.S. We should give Eric in LI a visit out in Padreland! Beautiful part of the country. Nothing like sunshine and warm weather. The Northeast is cold and ooglay A.F. today.
all good here, actually just left PNW and moved back to NY for the holidays. Sorry Speedy, we never got a game in
Padres are a weird team, kinda a west coast version of 2015 Yankees. Lots of millionaires but Instead of AROD you have Machado who never really takes hold of a leadership role. An no real impact homegrown talent coming up.
For me with Mets I dont know Counsel at all, NY is a rough place to manage. Yoshinobu Yamamoto makes us interesting and I stick by my 1 year low risk/high reward signing with Tyler Mahle.
Rumor that Trout could got o Philly next season.
Also, that was a kick ass world series and some great playoff baseball. Really enjoyed it.
Take that back, Badler apparently said on his podcast Pena will receive “most if not all” of the Mets 2025 IFA pool. Will crush the Mets previous bonus #
if that's the case then it seems like they have already smartly strategized a way that if they use the QO this year, it impacts them as minimally as possible since their class is going to be so invested in 1 player to start with.
again it's not plan A, im sure yamamoto and montgomery are, but those guys are going to have a dozen bidders each sort of like gausman a few years ago (who is now the 3rd most valuable SP since 2020 behind burnes/wheeler).
if they want a non-ancient top of the rotation SP, they may need to lose QO comp. i hope they get yamamoto or montgomery or both but that's going to extremely competitive.
Due respect Eric but using Sproat, a senior yet to throw a pro pitch and Larez a 17 year old who was getting good buzz and then suspended are completely unfair examples. Today they are nobodies as of right now. “Everybody” is making that swap. Are they doing the same if the 2 names end up Christian Scott and Mauricio? Probably less likely.
the Mets fall from 6 to 17, their pool already drops from about 6 to 4 for the first round, then minus 2 million for a 2nd round pick and 450K more for a 5th round pick. So their draft pool (if they pick 17th). It's a draft pool crusher.
Due respect Eric but using Sproat, a senior yet to throw a pro pitch and Larez a 17 year old who was getting good buzz and then suspended are completely unfair examples. Today they are nobodies as of right now. “Everybody” is making that swap. Are they doing the same if the 2 names end up Christian Scott and Mauricio? Probably less likely.
right now whoever they sign this year is a lot closer to larez or sproat because that's where they are going to be in their stage of development. sproat could be the next wheeler and larez the next mauricio but we have no idea - any IFA (teenager) carries extreme risk and the point would stand even if it were davierson who got almost 2m which would be twice the penalty.
and as ive explained before, it's not like they lose 1m and they lose their favorite IFA;s. they will lose the 1m from their budget they care the least about. it could be that they just loose 20 guys who were all going to get 50k bonuses whose names we havent even heard in the first place.
last year the mets signed 28 IFAs and only those top 3 got 1m+. i cant find the BA link but i think fewer than 5 others got more than 100k so there was a big chunk of guys they signed to smaller deals but added up to about 1m.
the Mets fall from 6 to 17, their pool already drops from about 6 to 4 for the first round, then minus 2 million for a 2nd round pick and 450K more for a 5th round pick. So their draft pool (if they pick 17th). It's a draft pool crusher.
What are the final odds of the Mets picking 6th or better vs 17th or worse? Is it like 57/43 that the Mets drop down to 17?
It looks like the lottery is in December. I wonder if any of the Mets offseason decisions are going to hinge on how that lottery goes.
The VWL has begun: Lorenzo Cedrola .278/.316/.278 over 18 ab's, Ex-@mets Wilfredo Tovar .279/.296/.442 over 43 ab's, José Peraza (the MLB one) .179/.179/.214 over 28 ab's, José Peraza (prospect) .100/.250/.300 over 20 ab's #Mets
the Mets fall from 6 to 17, their pool already drops from about 6 to 4 for the first round, then minus 2 million for a 2nd round pick and 450K more for a 5th round pick. So their draft pool (if they pick 17th). It's a draft pool crusher.
What are the final odds of the Mets picking 6th or better vs 17th or worse? Is it like 57/43 that the Mets drop down to 17?
It looks like the lottery is in December. I wonder if any of the Mets offseason decisions are going to hinge on how that lottery goes.
They have a 5.5% chance of picking 1st, 6.0 2nd, 6.5% 3rd, 7.2% 4th, 8% 5th, 9% 6th and a 26.6% chance of picking 8th (which in their case would be 18th).
where they slot shouldnt impact their decisions - it is what it is
the right way to look at the penalty is through the lens of how much it impairs their ability to go above slot for players they want.
last year their overslot signings were:
houck +150k
ewing +190k
barro +500k
then a few other guys after round 10 who were +100-200k.
sproat was signed for slot in round 2 at 1.475 which makes him a very simple base case of what they would be giving up by signing someone on a QO.
whatever they do now they obviously wont know who is on the board in 2024 when they pick and what the best strategy will be. but they can lose 1.5m and still have the capability of going overslot for whoever their first pick is.
with less $ spend in both IFA/draft the biggest impact is that those classes will likely be defined by whether or not they get their headliners right. which is why it seems notable their IFA class is more invested in 1 headliner than ever before.
2nd round is about 2 million by itself, 5th round another 400K
Drop from 6 to 17 would be an additional 2.5 million in draft pool money
That's about 2.4 million for signing a QO FA (+ 1 million in draft money) and about 5 million in pool money lost if they don't finish top 6 in the lottery (for context the Mets had 8.4 million to spend TOTAL last season and that was with extra picks).
7th overall pick in 2nd round of the 2023 draft had a pool number of Rockies: $1,868,400, the 7th pick in the 5th round had a pool number of Rangers: $437,900
So maybe I'm confused with what the 1.5 number your citing is?
Sorry if this has already been covered, but I thought if we didn't finish with one of the 6 worst records, we drop 10 spots. It's actually based on the lottery?
Sorry if this has already been covered, but I thought if we didn't finish with one of the 6 worst records, we drop 10 spots. It's actually based on the lottery?
Correct. It's based on the lottery. Top 6 draft slot, not top 6 records.
Sorry if this has already been covered, but I thought if we didn't finish with one of the 6 worst records, we drop 10 spots. It's actually based on the lottery?
Correct. It's based on the lottery. Top 6 draft slot, not top 6 records.
Dan, you need to check into baseball rehab. You’re a junky.
2nd round is about 2 million by itself, 5th round another 400K
Drop from 6 to 17 would be an additional 2.5 million in draft pool money
That's about 2.4 million for signing a QO FA (+ 1 million in draft money) and about 5 million in pool money lost if they don't finish top 6 in the lottery (for context the Mets had 8.4 million to spend TOTAL last season and that was with extra picks).
losing the pool money from not finishing top 6 is something they cant control. if they get lucky that is found money in the couch cushions. they spent over the CBT knowing they would get dropped 10 spots in the draft so by all rights that's what they planned on and deserve. if they luck into that not being the case it's a phenomenal outcome but if they dont they didnt "lose" anything. they got plenty of prospect ROI from all the money they spent when they added all the prospects they added at the deadline.
what they control is the decision to sign a QO free agent or not.
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• Competitive Balance Tax payors: A team that exceeded the CBT threshold in the preceding season will lose its second- and fifth-highest selections in the following year's Draft, as well as $1 million from its international bonus pool for the upcoming signing period. If such a team signs multiple qualifying-offer free agents, it will forfeit its third- and sixth-highest remaining picks as well.
the penalty is exactly as written - a second round pick at slot value - which is exactly what sproat was last year. and sure a 5th round pick also but we all know the odds of all draft picks so thats a total nothingburger imo. last year's 5th was zach thornton (he basically got slot).
and 1m of IFA money - which they spent on 3 individual IFAs last year so get rid of whichever one you liked least and that's the closest approximation of what the penalty is.
in total it is a $3m prospect penalty - and as ive said they get to strategize around the penalty to minimize it's impact. which im sure they've been doing in the IFA side knowing they seemed likely to go after ohtani going back 2 years.
$3m of prospect value is 1 40+ grad prospect according to FG. which tracks with the penalty ive been approximating bc they have sproat as a 40+ grade right now (larez is a 40 grade, but im not even sure they wouldn't have been able to sign him with the penalty last year, they probably blow off a bunch of lower level signings instead of him).
this season has gotten worse because I'm COMPLETELY checked out on the Giants. My GF asked if I wanted to watch the game Sunday and I said "I'm not in the mood". I literally had nothing else I needed to do, I just wasn't "in the mood". I flipped on the game eventually but my sports interest right at this moment are the Mets, my mediocre fantasy team and now the Knicks who I will enjoy but no real title aspirations. I really didn't expect the Giants to be awful.
7th overall pick in 2nd round of the 2023 draft had a pool number of Rockies: $1,868,400, the 7th pick in the 5th round had a pool number of Rangers: $437,900
So maybe I'm confused with what the 1.5 number your citing is?
1.5m was what sproat got last year (which was exactly slot). this years 2nd will be higher so the slot value will be slightly higher but sproat was generally ranked ahead of where they picked him so i think he's a good proxy to the type of talent they would be giving up.
this season has gotten worse because I'm COMPLETELY checked out on the Giants. My GF asked if I wanted to watch the game Sunday and I said "I'm not in the mood". I literally had nothing else I needed to do, I just wasn't "in the mood". I flipped on the game eventually but my sports interest right at this moment are the Mets, my mediocre fantasy team and now the Knicks who I will enjoy but no real title aspirations. I really didn't expect the Giants to be awful.
Wow, Danngets sports headaches. you weren’t in the mood?? I hear ya though, bud.
I’ve occasionally mentioned it in the last. I used to say a baseball junkie needs to experience spring training, buts that’s changed over the years. But for a an uber fan like you, I can suggest enough catching some backfield minor,league games if you ever head down there.
But even better, catch an FCL game. For a guy like you, you’d be a kid in a candy store!!!!
can't just subtract the 5th round pick and suggest it's "nothing" because it's both the player and the pool money. Just because the Mets used their money in 2023 where their 5th rounder got slot doesn't mean anything. The money used to sign ANY of the their over slot signings has to come from somewhere. Ewing/Troesser were picked 1 pick apart, Ewing got 200K over slot, Troesser 120K under. The Mets in 2023 had extra picks, which allowed them to sign over slot players, in years where you don't have extra picks signing over slot players becomes harder, and more so when you're subtracting draft pool money.
I have never seen a 14 year old with a slower trot than this kid.
He’s slow??
No, homerun trot
He jogged out a HR?
No, walked. All of them.
How many?
(Cracks up laughing) ALOT!!!!!!
7th overall pick in 2nd round of the 2023 draft had a pool number of Rockies: $1,868,400, the 7th pick in the 5th round had a pool number of Rangers: $437,900
So maybe I'm confused with what the 1.5 number your citing is?
1.5m was what sproat got last year (which was exactly slot). this years 2nd will be higher so the slot value will be slightly higher but sproat was generally ranked ahead of where they picked him so i think he's a good proxy to the type of talent they would be giving up.
+ 5th round pick and 5th round money, 8th pick in the 5th round was 433,500. So it's far, far closer to 2 million in lost money, 1.93,500 based on 2023's numbers and the pools go up, not down annually.
if there is a SP out there who you think is worth 5 years 100m+, which equates to probably 120 big league starts, you are projecting probably 15-20 fwar in the next 5 years. it is adding another SP expected to be on the level senga pitched this past year. snell, nola,
the odds of getting that amount of production from prospect $ that's roughly equal to sproat, larez, thornton is exponentially lower, and at least 5 years deferred in the future.
and keep in mind that just like sproat/larez, if there are players they like better than them in those classes they will still get them because the penalty is smaller than their highest value choice (first round pick, biggest IFA signing).
100% go for yamamoto/montgomery first but if they go elsewhere don't turn the phone off.
weird dynamic with the Wilpons being on board with this new soccer stadium and Cohen reportedly trying to block the usage of the parking lot (unless he gets his casino...)
7th overall pick in 2nd round of the 2023 draft had a pool number of Rockies: $1,868,400, the 7th pick in the 5th round had a pool number of Rangers: $437,900
So maybe I'm confused with what the 1.5 number your citing is?
1.5m was what sproat got last year (which was exactly slot). this years 2nd will be higher so the slot value will be slightly higher but sproat was generally ranked ahead of where they picked him so i think he's a good proxy to the type of talent they would be giving up.
+ 5th round pick and 5th round money, 8th pick in the 5th round was 433,500. So it's far, far closer to 2 million in lost money, 1.93,500 based on 2023's numbers and the pools go up, not down annually.
the pools go up along with the slot values (which i said) but the value of the prospect is still the same. they lose slot value of their 2nd and 5th highest pick - which their 2nd round and 5th round picks last year approximate closest. unlike last year they arent going to get comp picks for losing players via FA so the picks they are risking should be their 2nd rd pick and 5th rd picks at slot value.
The Mets are down to a few in-person manager interviews and are on track to make a hire within a week, league sources say.
After first-round telephone interviews, the Mets began their in-person interviews on Wednesday with Carlos Mendoza, and are continuing on Thursday with Craig Counsell. There are believed to be one or maybe two other finalists, if we want to use that vague word (the Mets would push back on it).
Oakland manager Mark Kotsay has been in the mix, sources say, but it is unclear to what extent. The New York Post also linked former San Diego skipper Andy Green to the job.
it seems like they've toed a balance between it being obviously counsell's job and not talking to anyone in any way threatening to counsell being a clear top target (publicly at least).
On paper (which means next to nothing in November) the top of this draft is not as intriguing as last year. Wetherholt seeing time at SS should help his draft stock quite a bit. I'm intrigued by Seaver King. Caglianone with the Ohtani comps seems ridiculous (and unfair)
The Mets are down to a few in-person manager interviews and are on track to make a hire within a week, league sources say.
After first-round telephone interviews, the Mets began their in-person interviews on Wednesday with Carlos Mendoza, and are continuing on Thursday with Craig Counsell. There are believed to be one or maybe two other finalists, if we want to use that vague word (the Mets would push back on it).
Oakland manager Mark Kotsay has been in the mix, sources say, but it is unclear to what extent. The New York Post also linked former San Diego skipper Andy Green to the job.
it seems like they've toed a balance between it being obviously counsell's job and not talking to anyone in any way threatening to counsell being a clear top target (publicly at least).
Also, the conspiracy theorist in me... it looks like a real search aka the league can't claim the Mets/Stearns tampered before they could.
he puts down a pretty heavy marker here despite the non-ideal walk year:
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He’s been on the injured list once in the past six seasons, missing a single start in July 2022 with an elbow strain, although he also missed a spring training start in 2020 with “the flu” a few days before the world ended; before that, his last injury of any sort was a UCL sprain in 2017 that was treated with a PRP injection. I think he’s a hidden ace, someone who’ll take off for whoever signs him — and shame on the Phillies if they don’t — even though he might end up more in the $25 million a year range than the $30 million-plus he’s likely to be worth.
i really have to say it would be so nice to do to philly what they did to us with wheeler - assuming law ends up right about nola.
Also, the conspiracy theorist in me... it looks like a real search aka the league can't claim the Mets/Stearns tampered before they could.
i think that would be a near impossible case to prove given that stearns and counsell were technically still part of the same org through sept 1. so there's only like a month in between and stearns wasnt even employed by the mets that entire time.
if there's a tampering case it would more likely be with stearns some time over the 2+ year pursuit than counsell in the brief period after stearns hire but before mil got eliminated. milwaukee has now twice given mets permission to talk to their guys a little early so it would seem that they aren't scorned but i suppose that could change.
The draft lottery is just for the 1st round, right?
he New York Mets will get a huge windfall this year from lower debt payments thanks to owner Steve Cohen’s 2021 refinancing of the bonds used to finance the construction of Citi Field.
The ballpark, which opened in 2009, was financed with 40-year and 37-year PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes) bonds at interest rates between 4.3% and 6.5%. Back then, the Mets were owned by the Wilpon and Katz families, who operated the New York City-owned ballpark (formerly known as Queens Ballpark LLC) through a lease agreement with the New York City Industrial Development Agency (NYCIDA) until 2049. Link - ( New Window )
projecting Lugo at roughly 3 for 39, and I'd do that. Unclear if he'd be willing to return. I think he's very similar to Quintana in value.
And I gave that number before Law's piece!
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It would. I think that’s very low. Got 15 before he proved he could start. I suspect he gets something like 3 for 39."
i think he's more likely to get 2 years than 3, but for mets i think a 3x30m makes a ton of sense to flatten out his lux tax hits and knowing he can shift to BP effectively. id be very happy with him as a 3rd SP who can compete for a rotation slot with peterson/megill/vasil and shift to BP if necessary.
i would imagine lugo doesnt care too much where he pitches other than how it impacts how much $ he gets since middle relievers dont get $30m.
if he's their 2nd SP signing that seems a little risky but he's a perfect 3rd SP/potential high leverage RP swing piece.
he New York Mets will get a huge windfall this year from lower debt payments thanks to owner Steve Cohen’s 2021 refinancing of the bonds used to finance the construction of Citi Field.
The ballpark, which opened in 2009, was financed with 40-year and 37-year PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes) bonds at interest rates between 4.3% and 6.5%. Back then, the Mets were owned by the Wilpon and Katz families, who operated the New York City-owned ballpark (formerly known as Queens Ballpark LLC) through a lease agreement with the New York City Industrial Development Agency (NYCIDA) until 2049. Link - ( New Window )
if memory serves this was done about 12 months before seidler and a bunch of others were screaming to "name 1 thing cohen has actually done better than the wilpons"?
really stood out. I'm not really buying it. He was really bad most of the year and needs his command to be near perfect to be effective. He's at an age where his velocity declines (and it isn't great to begin with) so there's not a lot of room for error there. Really risky guy to sign.
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have released nearly 30 players. Cole Gordon, Kolby Kubichek, Manuel Guance, Nick Meyer, Elliot Johnstone, Pedro Mercedes, Ramon Henriquez, Luis Castillo, Fernando Villalobos, Christopher Vasquez, Yordis Perera, Eric Santana, Gregory Leal, Jonaiker Palacios, Sammy Tavarez, Luis A Rodriguez (the righty), Joe Joe Rodriguez, Luis Montas, Dylan Hall, Chase Estep, Carlos Dominguez. Cesar Berbesi, Dyron Campos, Matt Minnick
More releases to announce-
17th round 2022 Connor Brandon, UDFA Mathieu Voros, IFA Adrian Hernandez, 2021 7th rounder Kevin Kendall.
@mets announce the release of an additional 5 players
RHP Elian Nunez, RHP Yeudi Lora, LHP Arlison Rodriguez, C Jose Marcano and RHP (and 70 grade name) Frelianderson Seijas
really stood out. I'm not really buying it. He was really bad most of the year and needs his command to be near perfect to be effective. He's at an age where his velocity declines (and it isn't great to begin with) so there's not a lot of room for error there. Really risky guy to sign.
im not sure im buying it or selling it. im almost definitely going for yamamoto, montgomery, ohtani first - but so will 1/3 of baseball.
a lot fewer than 1/3 of baseball will go hard for nola, snell, etc. and that number will be again less whoever gets the top guys w/o QOs. so there may be some deals to be had.
let's say they get 1 of yamamoto/montgomery (which seems like a pretty safe bet).
if nola or snell is sitting out there at a reasonable price on a 4 or 5 year deal not unlike how bassitt lingered on the market last year, i think they'd have to consider it.
a Yamamoto/Senga/Quintana + Nola or Snell top 4 would be very strong. All except Quintana 30 or younger.
for a combined $50m/year x 4-7 years they can do that. and then they've got some real runway to build up/phase in the arms in the system.
tends to overhype these Cuban players but apparently this kid has defected Link - ( New Window )
does he count against any different pool or is he just a free agent?
Once he's declared a FA he will count against whatever IFA year's pool he opts to sign. The Mets don't have much money left this year (no clue how much this kid is expected to sign for, admittedly had never even heard of him). He could wait until the next signing period.
"He’s probably a $25 million per year guy, even at 24 or so starts a year, but I’d be wary of going more than two years for a guy with two Tommy Johns and several other arm injuries on his medicals."
Clevinger's best FIP since 2019 was 4.15 over 8 starts in 2020 and he's been worth 3.3 fWAR over that time. He's also known as an absolute dickhead. Who is giving Mike Clevinger 25 million per? Goodness.
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Terms of Max Muncy’s extension with the Los Angeles Dodgers: two years, $24 million with $10 million club option for 2026.
That's a steal for LAD. Muncy has posted 5.3 fWAR since OD 2022 hitting 57 homers with a 113 wRC+
Pretty telling when so many players brought in within the last 12 months are already being dumped in one off-season. Ortega, Nittoli, Mendick, Araúz, Brigham, Locastro, Reyes, Almonte, Hernández, Battenfield + Curtiss who was signed April 2022 by Billy Eppler #Mets
has them at 33/40 slots and id say at least 4 more pitchers are easily disposable if necessary.
considering they probably don't need to sign more than 5 active roster free agents, and probably only 1 or 2 by the gm meetings, they should have plenty of slots for whomever they want to keep. METS MAKE MORE 40-MAN ROSTER MOVES - ( New Window )
With the WS over should we start a new thread for the off-season?
Thanks for doing that btw GF. I think you should start another one again on January 1st as well (Off-Season Thread Part 2 until Spring Training) so people can find them besides the usual die-hards.
With the WS over should we start a new thread for the off-season?
Thanks for doing that btw GF. I think you should start another one again on January 1st as well (Off-Season Thread Part 2 until Spring Training) so people can find them besides the usual die-hards.
Sounds good! I'll try to remember in January haha.
5 POTENTIAL METS SEPTEMBER CALL UPS IN 2023 - Posted by Patrick Glynn | Aug 15, 2023 | MMOnline.com
-McDaniel names Jett Williams the Mets #1 prospect, Drew Gilbert #2
11. New York Mets
2023 preseason rank: 11
2022 midseason rank: 14
2022 preseason rank: 20
2021 midseason rank: 22
Top 100 prospects: Luisangel Acuña, SS/2B (No. 40); Drew Gilbert, OF (No. 56); Jett Williams, SS/OF (No. 83); Ronny Mauricio, 2B/OF/SS (No. 92); Kevin Parada, C (No. 95)
New York famously added to its prospect core at this year’s Deadline, bringing in two Top 100 prospects in Acuña and Gilbert alongside other notable talents like Ryan Clifford, Marco Vargas and Justin Jarvis. Those trades certainly helped build out the Mets’ top-end talent and depth, but the organization still isn’t quite there in either department to break into the Top 10. The good news: many of the organization’s top names could see Queens soon with nine of the Top 17 already at Double-A or Triple-A
Jarvis and Crow are absolute locks to be added to the 40 man. Jarvis likely won't be called up unless he turns it around in Syracuse. No point in having a guy come up to have his head bashed in.
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so i think those are probably the 2 most interesting arms who get chances down the stretch (though jarvis hasn't pitched particularly well so that's not a given, vasil also wasn't pitching particularly well up until recently so hopefully that similarly flips quickly).
Jarvis and Crow are absolute locks to be added to the 40 man. Jarvis likely won't be called up unless he turns it around in Syracuse. No point in having a guy come up to have his head bashed in.
right but my point is anyone thinks vasil is ready now, he too was getting his head bashed in up until the last couple starts. in june when he got promoted to AAA he had a 10+ era. he made 4 starts in july that were better (4.6 era) but he only got out of the 5th inning once. the last 2 starts were probably his best 2 of the year so it's not impossible 2 weeks from now jarvis puts himself in a similar position.
speed and defense, plus their pitchers inability to combat other team's speed, were achilles heels of this years roster. the new rules 100% exacerbated their age problem.
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“The reality is, the game is changing,” Cohen said. “It’s getting faster. It’s getting younger. You can see the teams that are fun to watch that are young. And with the shift being gone, the defense matters more, speed matters more on the bases. The pitcher is a little bit more gassed from just a 15-second clock. So the game has changed. You gotta change with it.”
speed and defense, plus their pitchers inability to combat other team's speed, were achilles heels of this years roster. the new rules 100% exacerbated their age problem. Were the Mets a poor fit for baseball’s new rules? Expect a new approach in 2024 - ( New Window )
I was just watching games around the league and it is obvious Nimmo needs to move off leadoff.
Not a real knock on him, but the stolen base is more of a weapon now with the pitch clock and the limit on number of throws to 1st. Nimmo does not steal bases. Alonso has 1 fewer and McNeil the same amount.
He could be a 2 hitter, he has 20 HR power and walks/takes enough pitches to let the leadoff hitter steal, but I like what i see so far with Jett - more of a leadoff hitter IMO if he carries that patience, OBP and SB's to the next levels.
K, BB, DP
down 4-0 in the 6th have something cooking. Baro single, Houck walk (second of the game, 7th in 6 pro games) to open the inning
Not expected to pitch this season. 106 inning pitched this year as is.
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but im hopeful one day soon cohen wont have the smartest baseball quotes of anyone in the org. another strong article from sammon:
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“The reality is, the game is changing,” Cohen said. “It’s getting faster. It’s getting younger. You can see the teams that are fun to watch that are young. And with the shift being gone, the defense matters more, speed matters more on the bases. The pitcher is a little bit more gassed from just a 15-second clock. So the game has changed. You gotta change with it.”
speed and defense, plus their pitchers inability to combat other team's speed, were achilles heels of this years roster. the new rules 100% exacerbated their age problem. Were the Mets a poor fit for baseball’s new rules? Expect a new approach in 2024 - ( New Window )
I was just watching games around the league and it is obvious Nimmo needs to move off leadoff.
Not a real knock on him, but the stolen base is more of a weapon now with the pitch clock and the limit on number of throws to 1st. Nimmo does not steal bases. Alonso has 1 fewer and McNeil the same amount.
He could be a 2 hitter, he has 20 HR power and walks/takes enough pitches to let the leadoff hitter steal, but I like what i see so far with Jett - more of a leadoff hitter IMO if he carries that patience, OBP and SB's to the next levels.
acuna will hopefully get himself in the leadoff consideration in the next year or 2. explosive athletes are hard to find in free agency unless they have big flaws. i know he's struggled post-trade but he's the prospect who has the most unique skillset in terms of what was already in the organization.
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the plans are for Sproat?
Not expected to pitch this season. 106 inning pitched this year as is.
thanks.
Diaz pitched off a mound yesterday for the first time since the WBC injury.
Really the event that triggered this debacle of a season.
I know people on here are generally ridiculous about injuries, but I'd like to see Diaz take the mound before the end of the season for a few reasons....
1. so he doesn't go into 2024 having missed a full season. Maybe semantics but it means something
2. serve as a cleanse to this shit show of a season, kind of a bookend to "lift the curse"
3. even while I acknowledge losing is better for the franchise at this point, I also think ending the season on a positive note could be a good thing. I believe in the power of persuasion and spirituality and good vibes, etc.
not going to say it's critical he pitch and if he doesn't I won't be outraged, but if he's cleared medically I'd let him go out there.
AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)
Luisangel Acuna SS/2B (AA Binghamton) - 0/4, R, BB, .157/.435
Drew Gilbert OF (AA Binghamton) - 3/5, 2B(1), 2 R, K, .326/.848
Jett Williams SS/CF (High A Brooklyn) - 1/3, BB, .283/.894
Ronny Mauricio IF/OF (AAA Syracuse) - 0/4, BB, 2 K, SB(20), .287/.826
Kevin Parada C (High A Brooklyn) - Injured; Sprained Ankle
Ryan Clifford OF/1B (High A Brooklyn) - 0/4, 2 K, .258/.863
Colin Houck SS (Rookie FCL Mets) - 0/1, 2 BB, .176/.593
Marco Vargas SS/2B (Rookie FCL Mets) - 0/3, 2 K, .266/.827
Mike Vasil RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
Blade Tidwell RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Alex Ramirez OF (High A Brooklyn) - 0/4, 2 K, .236/.669
Christian Scott RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Jacob Reimer 3B/1B (High A Brooklyn) - 0/4, 2 K, .122/.528
Brandon Sproat RHP (Not Assigned) - N/A
Justin Jarvis RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
Dominic Hamel RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Tyler Stuart RHP (AA Binghamton) - 3.0 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 6 K, 0 HR, 4.34, L(2-2)
Jesus Baez SS (Rookie FCL Mets) - DNP
Calvin Ziegler RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured; Torn Quad; Expected Back 2024
Ronald Hernandez C/1B (Rookie FCL Mets) - 0/1, 2 BB, .295/.930
Luis R Rodriguez LHP (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured
Jeremiah Jackson INF/OF (AA Binghamton) - 1/5, R, 2 RBI, 3 K, .154/.579
Nolan McLean RHP/OF (Rookie FCL Mets) - DNP
Diego Mosquera SS (Low A St. Lucie) - 1/5, 3B(1), 3 K, .174/.570
Raimon Gomez RHP (High A Brooklyn) - Injured; TJS; Expected Back 2024
Joel Diaz RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured; TJS; Expected Back 2024
Matt Rudick OF (AA Binghamton) - Injured
Nick Morabito OF/2B (Low A St. Lucie) - 1/4, R, 2 K, .283/.740
Coleman Crow RHP (AA Binghamton) - Injured; TJS; Expected Back 2024
Kade Morris RHP (Not Assigned) - N/A
Honorable Mention
Brett Baty 3B (AAA Syracuse) - 1/4, K, .356/1.263
Luke Ritter 2B/3B/1B (AAA Syracuse) - 1/4, 3 K, .246/.770
Nate Lavender RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
Carlos Cortes OF (AAA Syracuse) - 2/4, HR(12), 2 R, RBI, K, .261/.820
Brandon McIlwain OF (AAA Syracuse) - 0/2, R, RBI, BB, 2 SB(5), .282/.913
Jose Peroza 3B (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Rowdey Jordan 2B/OF (AA Binghamton) - 2/5, 2B(20), R, RBI, .237/.766
JT Schwartz 1B/OF (AA Binghamton) - 2/4, R, 2 RBI, BB, 2 K, .294/.793
William Lugo 3B/SS (High A Brooklyn) - 0/3, .216/.662
Stanley Consuegra (High A Brooklyn) - 0/4, 3 K, .228/.734
Jordany Ventura RHP (High A Brooklyn) - 4.0 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 5 BB, 4 K, 0 HR, 3.56, L(3-1)
Layonel Ovalles RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
Douglas Orellana RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
Simon Juan OF (Rookie FCL Mets) - DNP
Willy Fanas OF (Rookie FCL Mets) - 0/3, 2 K, .244/.722
A.J. Ewing SS/2B (Rookie FCL Mets) - 0/2, K, .308/.911
Boston Baro SS/2B (Rookie FCL Mets) - 1/3, R, K, .375/1.024
Daiverson Gutierrez C (Rookie DSL Mets Blue) - 1/4, RBI, K, .189/.572
Jeremy Rodriguez SS (Rookie DSL Mets Orange) - DNP
Jeffry Rosa OF (Rookie DSL Mets Orange) - DNP
Cristopher Larez SS (Rookie DSL Mets Orange) - Injured
Do you think they wait until next year to move him to Bing? He hasn’t been in Brooklyn long, but already it looks like he’s got nothing left to prove at that level.
You’re never gonna live this one down Dan, you were on him from the jump. Good call.
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Williams now has the highest bb% in all of minor league baseball (400 or more PA)
Do you think they wait until next year to move him to Bing? He hasn’t been in Brooklyn long, but already it looks like he’s got nothing left to prove at that level.
You’re never gonna live this one down Dan, you were on him from the jump. Good call.
100% a guess but I think he finishes the season in BK. If he finishes strong he'll still play the entire 2024 season as a 20 year old. Stating the obvious but that puts him in line to be a big leaguer as soon as 2025, or if he's outstanding next season, even 2024. He still has some work to do (he's looking less and less like a SS, but that's okay. He's impressed in CF and his issues at SS, okay arm, okay range will be non-issues at 2b, if that's really where this lands.). Completely guessing but I'd say Acuna ends up in CF (more of a quick twitch athlete/can cover more ground) and Jett Williams at 2b.
Related, and maybe just a coincidence but after YEARS of reluctance giving players looks at multiple positions, Jett Williams has played SS/CF, Morabito and Rowdey Jordan have played OF/2b and the Baro/Ewing/Houck/Vargas group have seen time at multiple spots. This seems like a shift in philosophy (and to me a good one).
14. New York Mets
Top 100 Prospects: SS Luisangel Acuña (63), OF Drew Gilbert (85), OF Ryan Clifford (96), SS Jett Williams (97)
The Skinny: The Mets exchanged Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer—and at least $70 million—for three of the Astros’ and Rangers’ top prospects who now rank as the top three future talents for New York. The Mets added a bevy of other prospects as part of six deadline deals and well-rounded prep shortstop Colin Houck in the 2023 draft. The organization has seen encouraging growth from pitching prospects such as Mike Vasil, Blade Tidwell and Christian Scott.
0 reason to not call him up, he's rule 5 eligible. Why lose him (or risk losing him) without giving him a look? If he comes up and stinks then what was lost exactly? It's not like "rushing" up a core piece.
Thanks! Missed that while going through the boxes.
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very solid last 3 months. the 9, 9, 7 column is walks and the 7, 11, 16 column is the k's, so he's added power this month at the expense of some k's (and 2bs).
0 reason to not call him up, he's rule 5 eligible. Why lose him (or risk losing him) without giving him a look? If he comes up and stinks then what was lost exactly? It's not like "rushing" up a core piece.
exactly, he's also always been considered a good bat control guy which would also seemingly fit with the direction they like. 19% k rate, 12% walk rate this year.
I don't personally believe the main reason Mauricio remains in AAA is the PPI program, *but* if you do (or it is) then we are 2 days away from 8/19 (where it comes a non-issue) assuming he doesn't receive 130 ab's the rest of the way
.190 babip for acuna post trade. only 1 xbh so probably also some underlying bad contact going on, love seeing that his bb/k rates are steady even when he's not hitting the ball well though. both actually slightly better than pre-trade.
marte was the 2nd best met last year.
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Who are you more confident will turn it around in 2024? #Mets
Megill
9.6%
Peterson
37.6%
Neither
47.8%
Both
5.1%
(178 votes)
Who are you more confident will turn it around in 2024? #Mets
Megill
9.6%
Peterson
37.6%
Neither
47.8%
Both
5.1%
(178 votes)
I would have to go with neither. Peterson has great stuff, but you gotta throw strikes. 91 pitches into the 4th inning v a weak Pitt lineup? That’s not going to cut it.
If he gets just 8 HR's and 20 SB's he will be the inaugural member of the 35/75 club. he would need to increase his SB pace a little.
just an insane year.
discounting Ohtani due to the complexity and uniqueness of being a pitcher and a hitter is Acuna the best player in baseball right now? I think so (by a lot right now)
If he gets just 8 HR's and 20 SB's he will be the inaugural member of the 35/75 club. he would need to increase his SB pace a little.
just an insane year.
discounting Ohtani due to the complexity and uniqueness of being a pitcher and a hitter is Acuna the best player in baseball right now? I think so (by a lot right now)
Acuna is the best non-Ohtani player in baseball. He's not a particularly good fielder but he's a dominant offensive force.
it seems like he's dramatically outperforming the mets 3 ifa bonus babies from last year or is that a misread?
Not putting him in those guys' class yet, but Astros' Kyle Tucker is having an unreal season. Has a good chance at a 30-30 season with over a 100 RBI and currently batting .297.
A guy who could realistically end up in that conversation in the next couple of years is Elly De La Cruz. Has to work on his K-rate and get that average up, but he has all the tools and such an exciting player to watch. Likewise is Oneil Cruz whenever he can get back on the field.
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1 for 3, HR, 2 RBI, 2 BB, 2 SB
it seems like he's dramatically outperforming the mets 3 ifa bonus babies from last year or is that a misread?
Juan has been terrible, Fanas mediocre and 2023's big name Daiverson Gutierrez has also been awful. Larez was good but then got hurt, Baptist is having a nice season. Long story short, yes.
Juan just turned 18 and so far career DSL+FCL .221/.306/.319 through 91 games
Fanas 20 in January career .250/.319/.362 DSL+FCL (69 games played)
Gutierrez 17 years old .189/.322/250 (48 games played)
Larez 17 years old .274/.351/.405 (24 games)
Baptist 17 years old .284/.444.466-28 games played
are your 2023 FCL East Division champs
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Nope. It's Abraham Almonte
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to the IL, call up Cortes!
Nope. It's Abraham Almonte
i mean he's 34yo and struck out 7x in 11 at bats on his last call up. it's a no brainer!
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to the IL, call up Cortes!
Nope. It's Abraham Almonte
i mean he's 34yo and struck out 7x in 11 at bats on his last call up. it's a no brainer!
Geez just get Cortes up here already. There's no point in seeing Almonte over him. Bring Ritter up also who cares.
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Binghamton got a Luisangel Acuña run in the first inning:
Single
Stolen base (third on throwing error)
Sac fly by Drew Gilbert
if they dont give cortes a chance it's going to be really aggravating. just once can they call a guy up in the midst of a hot streak, and do the obvious thing? ortega can sit on the bench for a few games. or arauz. or mendick. or dj.
Tyler Thomas has been quite the pickup. After being released by the Cubs
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signed him to a minor league deal. 15 appearances 2.01 era, 22.1 innings 30 k’s
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Jett Williams’ last 50 games dating back to June 13:
.310/.463/.524, .987 OPS
13 2B, 4 3B, 5 HR, 46 BB
20-for-21 in stolen bases
HOLY spitballs, that’s INSANE!!!
Good for the kid 😮
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Nolan Schanuel had some of the best batted ball data in the college class. Here are his numbers in contact%, chase% and 90th% EV:
-90th% EV: 106.3 mph (2023 season)
-Chase%: 19% (all college)
-Contact%: 87% (all college)
Mets 3rd rounder Nolan McLean had the worst contact% of the top 200 NCAA hitters for context 57%
Daviel Hurtado (typo) and I forgot Karell Paz
Now that's a nickname- Lee's is "Grandson of the Wind", his father was a KBO star whose nickname was "Son of the Wind"
Also interesting (to me) Masato Yoshii said in 1998
@BobbyValentine
asked him if he'd feel comfortable moving to the BP because Armando Reynoso was returning from a rehab assignment. Yoshii didn't feel comfortable and Valentine listened to him and moved to a 6-man rotation
Yeah, at least one of the writers compared him to Bregman
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or am i misremembering? that homer he hit yesterday was impressive in game power for a little guy. he's up to 36 xbh on the year in about 450 plate appearances, so he probably wont get to 50 but still a solid year given everything else he's showed (which is basically every other box).
Yeah, at least one of the writers compared him to Bregman
that would be a phenomenal outcome.
jett vs acuna is interesting, i think id still take the guy with the more explosive athleticism closer to the big leagues, but jett definitely has a path to being the better prospect if his power can surge past acuna's. right now both have almost the same total xbh on the year, but more than a year younger and only 1 level behind there is definitely a path.
next year should be a really fun one in the system. at least 5 guys with a legitimate claim to being the orgs top prospect post-mauricio all already posting well above average production at A+ and AA. 4/5 with a chance at premium positions.
*Justin Ramirez
they may have enough spots they wont need to, but probably a big reason why they got him for leone in the first place.
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I think @mets roll the dice on leaving Jeremiah Jackson exposed in the Rule 5. Since joining the organization he's hitting .196/.317/.314 with a 32% k-rate. Still some intrigue with his power/speed tools but big league pitching (right now) likely would eat him alive
they may have enough spots they wont need to, but probably a big reason why they got him for leone in the first place.
I'm the first one to talk about how much crap they have on the roster but keep in mind Edwin Diaz, Montes De Oca, Josh Walker (questionable) and Elieser Hernandez (unless they non-tender him) are all on the 60 day right now so those are more 40 man spots (+ Crow who will also be taking a "dead" spot). Jackson's overall wRC+ is now sub 100 and that's with repeating AA (87 games there last season). I'd be pretty surprised to see him added.
+ Alex Ramirez (very possibly)
and then Daniel Juarez, Jordany Ventura, Luke Ritter, Carlos Cortes, Brandon McIIwain all possibilities. I think Jackson (struggling in AA) is very much on the outside looking in.
185 games (669 ab's) .229/.315/.417 191 k's, 79 walks. I'd be very surprised if the Mets add him at this point and if he's taken, I'd be shocked if he weren't returned.
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Ramirez with an "okay" overall season is finishing VERY strong. He's now 19/50 in August with 4 walks vs. 9 k's, 8 extra base hits, OPS for the month near 1.200
*Justin Ramirez
Scorching hot finish
Justin Ramirez 2-2 , single , HR , RBI, R
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I think @mets roll the dice on leaving Jeremiah Jackson exposed in the Rule 5. Since joining the organization he's hitting .196/.317/.314 with a 32% k-rate. Still some intrigue with his power/speed tools but big league pitching (right now) likely would eat him alive
they may have enough spots they wont need to, but probably a big reason why they got him for leone in the first place.
I'm the first one to talk about how much crap they have on the roster but keep in mind Edwin Diaz, Montes De Oca, Josh Walker (questionable) and Elieser Hernandez (unless they non-tender him) are all on the 60 day right now so those are more 40 man spots (+ Crow who will also be taking a "dead" spot). Jackson's overall wRC+ is now sub 100 and that's with repeating AA (87 games there last season). I'd be pretty surprised to see him added.
if you eyeball the 40 i think you will probably come to a similar number i came to of about 17 spots that can be cleared. so net out the 4 for the injured guys assuming they dont want to non-tender and there are still almost a dozen spots.
i think half of those will probably go to MLB players (2sp, at least 3 rps, maybe 1 veteran OF) so there are probably at least 6 spots for minor leaguers. jarvis, crow, ramirez i think are locks. and that's before trading anyone out.
i cant remember if ritter/mcillwain need to be protected and if so maybe they do them or cortes before jackson since they are all easy auditions for bad teams unlike jackson.
(not a complete list) but all are Rule 5 eligible
(not a complete list) but all are Rule 5 eligible
As is Alex Ramirez
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Ramirez with an "okay" overall season is finishing VERY strong. He's now 19/50 in August with 4 walks vs. 9 k's, 8 extra base hits, OPS for the month near 1.200
*Justin Ramirez
Scorching hot finish
Justin Ramirez 2-2 , single , HR , RBI, R
Make that 3-3.
Daniel Juarez (rule 5 eligible) since OD 2022 has held opposing hitters to a .161 BAA (2nd only to the aforementioned Brendan Hardy). He also leads the organization in whip (0.98), and is 6th in FIP (3.21) over that time
he feels like next year's big riser. before the pham trade i was hoping they'd get a comparable or better return than what they got for robertson, they only got one player instead of 2 but rodriguez has to be the organizations best bet to be next year's marco vargas. i dont know how different the dsl/fcl comp level is but he only just turned 17 years old last month. if comes anywhere close to a similar season next year he's going to get some helium.
vargas' performance stayed pretty steady dsl --> fcl.
the walk/k rates are what stand out for a player that young more than anything else. especially the trend we can see thanks to the deadline. he's walked more than twice as much as he's k'd since joining mets org. given that he's also a bonus baby we've got a few reasons to believe the talent is there.
Reylin Perez 175 wRC+ in 2022 (17 years old in the DSL)
wRC+ this season... 48.
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stats mean next to nothing (I'm very high on Jeremy Rodriguez) but for context 11 players in the DSL have 1.000+ OPS, 18 players are hitting .330+, 89 (not a typo) have .400+ OBP (2 are over .500). Tons of players with huge walk rates, more walks than k's etc. A really bad season is a red flag, a good one is obviously better than struggling but doesn't tell us much. You have 21-22 year olds and 16 year olds playing together. Guys off the street (legitimately from workouts) playing in games.
the walk/k rates are what stand out for a player that young more than anything else. especially the trend we can see thanks to the deadline. he's walked more than twice as much as he's k'd since joining mets org. given that he's also a bonus baby we've got a few reasons to believe the talent is there.
Even then, the walk rates in the DSL are absurd. 24 players have walked at least 20% of their ab's this season, 53 players have walked at least as many times as they have struck out.
there are 27 players under 18 in the DSL who have a 1:1 or better k:bb ratio, rodriguez is 3rd youngest of all them and also 3rd highest iso.
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Luis Lameda (17, Brewers) 141 ab's 35 walks, 20 k's
When I say DSL numbers tell us little to nothing, it's the truth. It's essentially a rec league that has players who who landed 3 million dollar bonuses against players who were part of open workouts.
obviously we are talking about players at ages that make their volatility extreme, but that's kind of the point.
we need to hold more than one thought at the same time here - guys getting $1m bonuses isn't meaningless. performing as the youngest in a league isn't meaningless. the numbers of that league may be meaningless but his numbers were not my point.
the numbers in the league only mattered as far as comparing to vargas' numbers being similar in that same league, and that rodriguez seems to have improved over the year in something that is considered highly skill based (his k/walk ratio). that's the entire premise of DRC.
Forgot Crow/Marceaux. Also Montes De Oca (2nd TJ) Crow was already damaged goods so he probably shouldn't be listed here but still.
no Dan that is the exact point!
how many DSL guys ever get in any teams top 20 while they are in the DSL? honestly asking, my guess is very few unless they got $2m+ bonuses and were top IFAs who had reputations from before they got signed. Mets gave Daiverson, Larez, and Baptist more than Rodriguez got, none of them are in the pipeline top 30 (nor Rodriguez).
Marco Vargas when acquired this year was still considered a high variance lotto ticket since he's only playing FCL. of course a full level below that and not even stateside is an even bigger variance lotto ticket. rodriguez is one of the youngest players in the league, has had a good year that's trending even better, nobody has a crystal ball but he seems like the mets best bet to have a good year in fcl next year like vargas this year.
when you are trading rentals like Pham (and Robertson) the only way to get upside is by targeting players very far away. the farther away they are the higher the variance though (both good and bad). the guy literally only turned 17 last month and he seems to be outplaying a bunch of guys the mets bonused 1m+ in the last few IFA classes. he is almost a year younger than daiverson and baptist, 6 months younger than larez. outperforming what juan/fanas did in dsl.
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Vargas prove my point? 139 wRC+, .319/.421/.456 last season and despite that, Keith Law didn't even have him in his top *20* Marlins prospects in Feb. Only after he started hitting stateside did he suddenly garner buzz. That was a big part of the narrative, how his "ranking" at the time of the trade didn't represent the helium he had from his 2023 performance.
no Dan that is the exact point!
how many DSL guys ever get in any teams top 20 while they are in the DSL? honestly asking, my guess is very few unless they got $2m+ bonuses and were top IFAs who had reputations from before they got signed. Mets gave Daiverson, Larez, and Baptist more than Rodriguez got, none of them are in the pipeline top 30 (nor Rodriguez).
Marco Vargas when acquired this year was still considered a high variance lotto ticket since he's only playing FCL. of course a full level below that and not even stateside is an even bigger variance lotto ticket. rodriguez is one of the youngest players in the league, has had a good year that's trending even better, nobody has a crystal ball but he seems like the mets best bet to have a good year in fcl next year like vargas this year.
when you are trading rentals like Pham (and Robertson) the only way to get upside is by targeting players very far away. the farther away they are the higher the variance though (both good and bad). the guy literally only turned 17 last month and he seems to be outplaying a bunch of guys the mets bonused 1m+ in the last few IFA classes. he is almost a year younger than daiverson and baptist, 6 months younger than larez. outperforming what juan/fanas did in dsl.
Eric,
I'm not really clear what me saying DSL numbers have proven to show little to nothing and teams and writers don't bother with them has to do with Rodriguez potentially being a really strong return for Pham? Jeffrey Paternostro does this for a living and flat out said in his Vargas blurb that DSL numbers don't tell us much but when Vargas came stateside and continues hitting they began to take notice did he not?
Alex Ramirez
Willy Fanas
Simon Juan
Jesus Baez
Dangelo Sarmiento
Daiverson Gutierrez
have all been disappointing or worse this season
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Forgot Crow/Marceaux. Also Montes De Oca (2nd TJ) Crow was already damaged goods so he probably shouldn't be listed here but still.
Also forgot Joel Diaz (TJ)
so you agree with my point when jeff says it? i think this was literally the blurb re vargas that triggered in my head when i mentioned rodriguez because you can literally put his name in this with the only possible addition being a mention that he was also a bonus baby (which vargas was not).
(im assuming the lack of present physicality based on his age)
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so you agree with my point when jeff says it? i think this was literally the blurb re vargas that triggered in my head when i mentioned rodriguez because you can literally put his name in this with the only possible addition being a mention that he was also a bonus baby (which vargas was not).
(im assuming the lack of present physicality based on his age)
So... DSL stats don't mean much is.... accurate?
Estrada 2022 16.7% walk rate/13.1% K rate
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Vargas prove my point? 139 wRC+, .319/.421/.456 last season and despite that, Keith Law didn't even have him in his top *20* Marlins prospects in Feb. Only after he started hitting stateside did he suddenly garner buzz. That was a big part of the narrative, how his "ranking" at the time of the trade didn't represent the helium he had from his 2023 performance.
no Dan that is the exact point!
how many DSL guys ever get in any teams top 20 while they are in the DSL? honestly asking, my guess is very few unless they got $2m+ bonuses and were top IFAs who had reputations from before they got signed. Mets gave Daiverson, Larez, and Baptist more than Rodriguez got, none of them are in the pipeline top 30 (nor Rodriguez).
Marco Vargas when acquired this year was still considered a high variance lotto ticket since he's only playing FCL. of course a full level below that and not even stateside is an even bigger variance lotto ticket. rodriguez is one of the youngest players in the league, has had a good year that's trending even better, nobody has a crystal ball but he seems like the mets best bet to have a good year in fcl next year like vargas this year.
when you are trading rentals like Pham (and Robertson) the only way to get upside is by targeting players very far away. the farther away they are the higher the variance though (both good and bad). the guy literally only turned 17 last month and he seems to be outplaying a bunch of guys the mets bonused 1m+ in the last few IFA classes. he is almost a year younger than daiverson and baptist, 6 months younger than larez. outperforming what juan/fanas did in dsl.
Eric,
I'm not really clear what me saying DSL numbers have proven to show little to nothing and teams and writers don't bother with them has to do with Rodriguez potentially being a really strong return for Pham? Jeffrey Paternostro does this for a living and flat out said in his Vargas blurb that DSL numbers don't tell us much but when Vargas came stateside and continues hitting they began to take notice did he not?
you need to reread my initial post. the comp level difference of the dsl and fcl was only a tangential question, both are obviously very far from queens. whether one is the moon and the other is mars, it doesn't really matter.
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he feels like next year's big riser. before the pham trade i was hoping they'd get a comparable or better return than what they got for robertson, they only got one player instead of 2 but rodriguez has to be the organizations best bet to be next year's marco vargas. i dont know how different the dsl/fcl comp level is but he only just turned 17 years old last month. if comes anywhere close to a similar season next year he's going to get some helium.
vargas' performance stayed pretty steady dsl --> fcl.
my entire point was that he looks like the organizations best bet to be next year's marco vargas, who i think you'd agree was probably one of the biggest risers on all the prospect lists this year? as you mentioned he went from not even being on organization top 20 lists to getting top 50 overall consideration.
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so you agree with my point when jeff says it? i think this was literally the blurb re vargas that triggered in my head when i mentioned rodriguez because you can literally put his name in this with the only possible addition being a mention that he was also a bonus baby (which vargas was not).
(im assuming the lack of present physicality based on his age)
So... DSL stats don't mean much is.... accurate?
oh hey look a pedantic strawman! let me do you a few better, FCL stats don't mean much!
and low A ball stats only mean slightly more than that.
and brooklyn stats only slightly more.
and bing stats only slightly more.
and as we've seen with Baty and Vientos difficult transitions at age 23, if you get to AAA and rake it doesn't mean all that much in relation to MLB.
players play the level they are at. if they play better than the other players at that level, that's good. if they are younger than the other players that's even better. nothing is ever guaranteed with prospects in any sport but being productive (and having been thought well enough to get paid big bonuses or drafted high) are better than the alternatives.
of course it's guesswork.
here's a simple question, if you had to pick 1 guy in the org to be next year's marco vargas who would you pick?
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may or may not be the next Marco Vargas (he's been excellent so far) but it's just as possible/likely a guy like Larez or Baptist gets stronger and/or cuts down their k's and becomes a player. It's mostly guesswork at 17-18 with players agreeing to deals as young as 14 (as 2025 Mets pick Elian Pena has rumored to have done). Julio Zayas signed for 10,000 this year. he's hitting .307/.368/.517 with 7 homers, 7.4% walk rate, 12.9% BB rate and is a 17 year old catcher and I can damn near guarantee you won't see him popping up on lists thanks to DSL performance.
of course it's guesswork.
here's a simple question, if you had to pick 1 guy in the org to be next year's marco vargas who would you pick?
Probably Anthony Baptist. Strong bat to ball skills, 60 runner, wiry build with some pop but I'll just as easily believe he absolutely stinks next season.
you keep ignoring the context i've pointed out over and over again apart from the DSL stats themselves.
i cant find the # but i think julio zayas got less than a 100k bonus. the mets didn't trade a player who was supposedly in demand at the deadline for zayas (meaning presumably the mets chose rodriguez over other players offered by arizona and other teams). the fact that the mets chose rodriguez as the player they acquired for pham tells us that they like him, it may even tell us they like him more than say jarvis since pham probably had more value than canha. we also heard rumors that the az scouts were disappointed to give him up. and the mets really liked him as an IFA last year.
none of that means zayas cant be good it's just information we dont have apart on zayas from stats that we do have on rodriguez. and in the case of the bonus $ its significantly less favorable for zayas.
ok well i dont know where to find dsl splits if fangraphs doesnt have them, but this is just a hunch, if we went back 31 games on rodriguez ill bet his k/bb rates are closer to what they are in the 12 games as a met than the season average. i dont think players just overnight started walking twice as much as they k. its obviously sss but that's a skill thing more an inflated batting average bc of a few hits dropping in for a high babip.
rodriguez' 12 games as a met are a 12% higher walk rate (20%), 60% lower k-rate (8%), 7 xbh, and 5 steals.
stats aside striking out less, walking more, hitting the ball harder are good things to trend for a player who again only just turned 17 last month.
and it has never been my one and only point, which is why ive called it a strawman.
a couple days ago id asked you if rodriguez was outplaying the 3 bonus babies from the met class, you said yes. which i think i said at the time seemed notable since he's the youngest of the 4 and as you mentioned they all got more $ than him.
today i looked at his numbers relative to vargas' in the dsl (first time i did that) and noticed that they were mostly better - and specifically trending much better because unlike any other player in the DSL (including vargas last year) i havent seen a site that tracks splits but Rodriguez' splits are captured thanks to the trade. also first time i looked to compare rodriguez' age this year to vargas' age in the dsl last year, comparatively he's a little younger than vargas was.
all of that led me to say that i think he's the mets best candidate to be next year's vargas - which was my point. none of that was a specific commentary on the dsl statistically or as a league. that's just where rodriguez is now and vargas was last year. it's also by no means a sure thing. i only heard the guys name for the first time 3 weeks ago. any of last year's 3 bonus babies or zayas or simon juan could be better prospects. someone could come out of nowhere from a tiny 17k bonus like vargas did. if any of us actually knew for sure we'd be employed by the mlb teams spending tens of millions of dollars trying to figure that out bc they still get it wrong more often than not.
it doesn't matter at all, it's just where these kids who are signed out of latin america are playing as a first step before some get selected to move stateside. you are trying to draw a correlation from a league whose participants are probably 90%+ a result of geography? that's a total guess but if i were guessing about my guess im probably low.
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again I ask, if it mattered much, why aren't the DSL leader boards littered with a who's who of top players who have come from Latin America? Wouldn't it make sense to see a ton of top names?
it doesn't matter at all, it's just where these kids who are signed out of latin america are playing as a first step before some get selected to move stateside. you are trying to draw a correlation from a league whose participants are probably 90%+ a result of geography? that's a total guess but if i were guessing about my guess im probably low.
Doesn't matter at all? Why wouldn't we see a plethora of "known" big names if we looked at the DSL leaderboards through recent history? Why wouldn't "the best of the best" put up big numbers in the DSL if the correlation were there?
if you look at it this seems to be a post-covid issue.
up to 2019 they had signed gimenez in 2015, alvarez 2017, mauricio 2018, and ramirez 2019. rosario was 2012.
2020 got postponed due to covid and everything after has been a disappointment. also had 4 different GMs since 2019 so maybe just part of that breakage.
2022
17 year old Reylin Perez 176 wRC+ (Tigers #18 prospect)
2022
17 year old Carlos Sanchez 169 wRC+ (unranked in the Reds top 38)
17 year old Enmanuel Tejeda 162 wRC+ (Yankees #28 prospect)
These were the top performing 17 year olds in the DSL last season. What does that tell us about how DSL numbers are viewed? Do you think Eric Longenhagen is just putting his head in the sand? or more likely the view is, there isn't a ton to be learned fromt hese numbers.
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again I ask, if it mattered much, why aren't the DSL leader boards littered with a who's who of top players who have come from Latin America? Wouldn't it make sense to see a ton of top names?
it doesn't matter at all, it's just where these kids who are signed out of latin america are playing as a first step before some get selected to move stateside. you are trying to draw a correlation from a league whose participants are probably 90%+ a result of geography? that's a total guess but if i were guessing about my guess im probably low.
Doesn't matter at all? Why wouldn't we see a plethora of "known" big names if we looked at the DSL leaderboards through recent history? Why wouldn't "the best of the best" put up big numbers in the DSL if the correlation were there?
here's an analogy on the correlation you are suggesting.
why aren't we seeing a correlation between the best readers at our local elementary school and nobel prize winners?
the vast majority of players in the DSL are there bc they are a certain age, from latin america. same as the vast majority are in a local public school because they are a certain age and from a certain geography. some public schools are great, some arent, and for most they are there because there isn't another choice.
going stateside is like getting into a good prep school. the odds for those selected and who perform will go up. A/A+ ball is like college right? which is why the draft picks go there first usually. AA and AAA are like post-grad. this is so stupidly basic and anyone who follows prospects knows the higher the level the better the odds and vice versa.
we also know to be truly special at the MLB level its like doing quantum physics with a blindfold on while riding a tilt a whirl after eating 3 funnel cakes and shotgunning 4 beers. there are only a handful of julio rodriguez on the planet at any moment in time who can do that, so sorry if im not shocked there aren't more of them in the DSL when that's only a subset of all prospects since HS and college prospects dont go there.
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Mets probably need to address their IFA scouting department. While bonuses only mean so much, having the top guys immediately struggle (Fanas/Juan/Gutierrez), it's not a great sign and in Fanas case, he's pushing 20 years old.
if you look at it this seems to be a post-covid issue.
up to 2019 they had signed gimenez in 2015, alvarez 2017, mauricio 2018, and ramirez 2019. rosario was 2012.
2020 got postponed due to covid and everything after has been a disappointment. also had 4 different GMs since 2019 so maybe just part of that breakage.
Last few (2021 was the year they spread it around so no big name)
2021-Yohairo Cuevas (500K) not much of a prospect
Gustavo Marquez (released)
Sebastian Castro (injured)
Ellian Nunez 6.27 era in the DSL
Diego Mosquera (solid season, utility player upside)
2022
Simon Juan (1.9 million) 92 career games .218/.303/.315 (still only 18 but no mention on any recent prospect lists)
Willy Fanas 1.5 million 1.5 million 70 career games .255/.326/.375 (20 in January)
Dangelo Sarimento (700K) .257/.351/.331 (19 in January)
Jesus Baez 275 K .231/.330/.3478 (19 in February)
Yonatan Henriquez 100K .231/.369/.306 (19 in October)
2023
Daiverson Guitterez 1.9 million .186/.321/.244 (18 next month)
Cristopher Larez 1.5 million .274/.351/.405 (18 in January, missed the second half with a leg injury)
Anthony Baptist 1.1 million .277/.423/.465 (18 in October)
I wonder how much is affected by the use and work with analytics in the system now? Soe growing and flourishing as the season went on, some struggling with it.
2023 top bonuses
Salas a true phenom, already in AA 5.6 million
Celesten 4.7 million, assigned to the DSL injured for the entire season
Mayea 4.4 million (in the DSL-Yankees)
Bonilla 4.1 million (in the DSL- Blue Jays)
Brailer Guerrero 3.7 million (DSL Rays)
Alfredo Duno DSL Reds
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“They’d be a Top 10 system if they had better pitching,” said Jim Callis, one of the MLB Pipeline's analysts.
To which a rival team executive added:
“If the Mets are going to contend in the next couple of years they’re going to have to find a way to acquire pitching to supplement what’s in their system.”
“So if you put Clifford in there too, I know from ranking systems that when you get two or three Top 100 prospects, that can have a huge impact.”
Others temper such optimism to some extent.
Law says Gilbert “can really play center field so he’ll definitely be a big-leaguer, but he’s probably a lower-ceiling guy overall.”
As for Acuna, Law says, “He should be a good big-leaguer for a long time but I don’t think he’s a star. He’s not Ronald.”
Whatever the ceilings of the new acquisitions, the depth could be especially valuable considering the Mets already have other highly-touted position-player prospects such as Ronny Mauricio, Jett Williams, Kevin Parada, and 2023 first-round pick Colin Houck, a high school shortstop that Callis called “a steal” at pick No. 32 for the Mets.
Callis said Houck slipped in the draft because more good college hitters were available than usual, stemming from that five-round draft in the Covid year of 2020, which forced more high school players than usual to play in college, and many teams seized on that opportunity.
In any case, add those prospects to rookies Francisco Alvarez, Brett Baty (“He’ll hit eventually,” said Law, speaking to Baty’s recent demotion to Triple-A), and Mark Vientos, and the Mets have plenty of flexibility to trade for pitching at some point.
2023 top bonuses
Salas a true phenom, already in AA 5.6 million
Celesten 4.7 million, assigned to the DSL injured for the entire season
Mayea 4.4 million (in the DSL-Yankees)
Bonilla 4.1 million (in the DSL- Blue Jays)
Brailer Guerrero 3.7 million (DSL Rays)
Alfredo Duno DSL Reds
you have to remember there are more prospects from draft than IFA.
this year's total draft pool leaugewide was $307m.
IFA's are what $5-6m per team, so probably about half that amount in total?
so if there are let's say 15 super stars at any moment in time in the mlb, 10 of them should probably be from draft and 5 from IFA, and they may all be spread from different draft classes/IFA classes.
“It’s possible his lack of plate discipline will catch up with him, but why hasn’t he been called up? It’s okay if he struggles. At this point he’s not going to get any better in Triple-A and you can’t protect him forever. If he comes up and gets exposed then it’s on him to make the adjustment, with help from the coaching staff. If he can’t make the adjustment, then you know.”
A scout I spoke to agrees about Mauricio.
“If they’re thinking maybe he has more value as a trade piece before he plays in the big leagues, I don’t buy it,” said the scout. “Everybody has the same reports on him, the concerns about chasing out of the strike zone.
“Mauricio is at the point where the only way to create more value is calling him up and hoping he has the athleticism and enough strike-zone awareness to show he can hit big league pitching. If so they have to decide if he’s worth more playing another position (other than his natural shortstop) or as a trade piece for pitching.”
exactly. so now lets finish the exercise, 15 most valuable players on fg right now:
Betts - draft
Ohtani - japan
Acuna - IFA, venezuala, skipped dsl
Freeman - draft
Lindor - draft
Robert - cuban IFA, played dsl
Witt - draft
Julio - big bonus IFA, played dsl
Semian - draft
Franco - top IFA but debuted stateside
Olson - draft
Kim - korea
Garcia - cuba
Tucker - draft
Carroll - draft
almost exactly the right % split since we didn't factor in veteran international free agents from other countries.
using these top 15 isn't the best way to do this since the odds of any player being this good are low, but it shows why the resources are distributed the way that they are between draft and IFAs.
bc im spending the time to go through 100 players and tabulating it. feel free you would prob be better at knowing at a glance who goes in which category, there are 108 players worth more than 1 fwar right now.
my guess is the %'s hold up similarly and continue to track the $ distribution, which would mean there are probably 20-30 IFAs on that list, not all of whom played DSL, and for those that did they probably played in the DSL at different times. so in any single season there were probably 1-3 eventual every day big leaguers.
22 of them are worth less than 1 fwar.
so 270 every day lineup spots.
only 108 every day players above replacement level.
atlanta has 6 of the 108 and lad has 7. at a glance those look like the most of any teams.
last year mets had 7 with marte, canha, escobar the dropoffs.
Top 100 list unless somebody is trying to be cute with some HUGE bonus like Mayea. If there was a correlation, don’t you think we’d see DSL top performers making these lists frequently? There will undoubtedly be multiple 2023 HS draftees making lists going into next season (and that’s without “professional” games played like the DSL kids)
Top 100 list unless somebody is trying to be cute with some HUGE bonus like Mayea. If there was a correlation, don’t you think we’d see DSL top performers making these lists frequently? There will undoubtedly be multiple 2023 HS draftees making lists going into next season (and that’s without “professional” games played like the DSL kids)
this really isnt that complicated dan.
top hs kids play in tournaments, games on tv, and all the all star circuits. they are scouted and offered by college programs. prospect writers see them, meet them, scout them.
ifa's are literally in another country, playing in places nobody sees in person or probably even on video except teams who have professional scouts and who pay for complexes there. it is the freaking dark web just to figure out who he is signing where. other than the crazy phenoms everyone hears about they arent going to get ranked until they do something stateside where people are actually seeing them (including the team's scouts who are stateside).
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Does big leaguers have to do with it? There are in any given year 150-200 “top 100 prospecrs” (different websites, different writers) and most of those names are recognizable. That’s not how it shakes out when you look at DSL leader boards historically. Top performers don’t equate with really ever becoming “known” prospects let alone performing stateside. You’ll notice you almost never see a player ascend to top prospect or (even close) status because they were so outstanding in the DSL. I doubt a single DSL top performer cracks a single “major”
Top 100 list unless somebody is trying to be cute with some HUGE bonus like Mayea. If there was a correlation, don’t you think we’d see DSL top performers making these lists frequently? There will undoubtedly be multiple 2023 HS draftees making lists going into next season (and that’s without “professional” games played like the DSL kids)
this really isnt that complicated dan.
top hs kids play in tournaments, games on tv, and all the all star circuits. they are scouted and offered by college programs. prospect writers see them, meet them, scout them.
ifa's are literally in another country, playing in places nobody sees in person or probably even on video except teams who have professional scouts and who pay for complexes there. it is the freaking dark web just to figure out who he is signing where. other than the crazy phenoms everyone hears about they arent going to get ranked until they do something stateside where people are actually seeing them (including the team's scouts who are stateside).
So if the top performers in the DSL routinely became top performers stateside and/or top prospects on this wouldn’t be represented both on current lists and a who’s who of good players? If anything, wouldn’t writers just look at top performers and say “well most of these top DSL performers do well here so…”
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again no offense intended but your arguments are all over the place to basically say that DSL is the riskiest league - which is as obvious as water is wet. it is the farthest from big leagues, youngest prospects, and all teenage IFAs which is a much riskier subgroup than drafted players or veteran IFAs.
but it does happen - looking back the same year the mets gave mauricio 2m the mariners gave jrod 1.75m both dominican. Jrod debuted in the DSL in 2018 with a triple slash of .315/.404/.525 for a 160 rc while mauricio skipped the dsl and went stateside in 2018 at age 17. rodriguez blew up A ball in 2019 as an 18 year old and got himself unanimous top prospect status pre-2020. mauricio did well enough stateside that he cracked baseball america's top 100 list pre-2019 as a 17 year old, ahead of j-rod even though j-rod was clearly the more talented player. he just didnt get recognized as quickly because he came over stateside a year later.
so as fun as all of this has been i think we are back to where we were at the beginning. i think the mets new jrod has the best chance of being next year's vargas for all the reasons mentioned. you can continue arguing against the dsl but it's meaningless. nobody would disagree that out of every single minor league level there is it's the lowest/riskiest because there is literally no lower level.
"The prospect who may be closest to the big leagues is 6-foot-5 right-hander Mike Vasil, who recently took a no-hitter into the ninth inning of a Triple-A start but otherwise has largely struggled in ten starts at Syracuse after having success at Double-A this season."
Last 5 starts 3.21 era and going back as far as July 3rd (8 starts) 3.81 era over 40.2 innings 34 hits 18 walks 40 k's. So yeah, he was awful in June (10.24 era) he hasn't largely struggled at all.
i agree this is boring and going nowhere, but i dont understand why you keep using the strawman that i am just cherry picking a statline from the DSL. that is just like mildly an offensive suggestion at this point. even if he were hitting off a tee in a batting cage or in the california penal league he is notable based on the fact that he is one of the small handful of IFA's who got a million dollar bonus.
The Mets having a top 6 pick is more about having the draft pool money available than the drop from say 7 or 8 to 17-18. From 8 to 18 based on 2023's pool #'s is about 2 million.
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Pirates No. 1 overall Draft pick Paul Skenes has been promoted to Double-A Altoona!
and how many got 7 figures in the draft? 100?
do you think more or less than 50% of the top prospects pan out from that group of 100-150 per year who get $1m as compared to the much larger pool of players who get less than $1m?
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and how many got 7 figures in the draft? 100?
do you think more or less than 50% of the top prospects pan out from that group of 100-150 per year who get $1m as compared to the much larger pool of players who get less than $1m?
Eric, no beef but I'm tired of this dialogue. You disagree with the notion that DSL performance doesn't tell us much (that despite numerous writers stating that on the record) and more telling me that directly. You believe it does actually correlate. We will have to agree to disagree.
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and how many got 7 figures in the draft? 100?
do you think more or less than 50% of the top prospects pan out from that group of 100-150 per year who get $1m as compared to the much larger pool of players who get less than $1m?
Eric, no beef but I'm tired of this dialogue. You disagree with the notion that DSL performance doesn't tell us much (that despite numerous writers stating that on the record) and more telling me that directly. You believe it does actually correlate. We will have to agree to disagree.
I also wasn't the one who brought bonuses(?) into the discussion? Big bonus players are busts all the time, IFA/amateur etc. Maitan was supposed to be the next big thing, Ynoa? Bonus tells you what teams thought of these guys at 14-15 years old. I'd bet good money the Mets (just using them as an example) would take back the money they spent on a guy like Fanas vs. believing he's a 1.5 million player/prospect at this point.
"Signed for just shy of $2 million in January, Gutierrez was perhaps the best defensive catching prospect in the entire 2023 international amateur class, and while he filled out considerably between when he agreed to sign and when he actually put pen to paper, Gutierrez hasn’t suddenly turned into Ronnier Quintero or anything like that."
He signed 1/15/2023, I don't personally know when he "agreed" to sign but it was likely 2 or even 3 years prior to that.
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received 7 figures in the previous signing period
and how many got 7 figures in the draft? 100?
do you think more or less than 50% of the top prospects pan out from that group of 100-150 per year who get $1m as compared to the much larger pool of players who get less than $1m?
Eric, no beef but I'm tired of this dialogue. You disagree with the notion that DSL performance doesn't tell us much (that despite numerous writers stating that on the record) and more telling me that directly. You believe it does actually correlate. We will have to agree to disagree.
ok dan, we have found agreement, i am tired of this dialogue where you continue twisting the argument to something im not saying as a strawman. not trying to be a dick (no beef!) but im a little surprised that you cant seem to help yourself from misrepresenting what im saying.
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received 7 figures in the previous signing period
and how many got 7 figures in the draft? 100?
do you think more or less than 50% of the top prospects pan out from that group of 100-150 per year who get $1m as compared to the much larger pool of players who get less than $1m?
Eric, no beef but I'm tired of this dialogue. You disagree with the notion that DSL performance doesn't tell us much (that despite numerous writers stating that on the record) and more telling me that directly. You believe it does actually correlate. We will have to agree to disagree.
I also wasn't the one who brought bonuses(?) into the discussion? Big bonus players are busts all the time, IFA/amateur etc. Maitan was supposed to be the next big thing, Ynoa? Bonus tells you what teams thought of these guys at 14-15 years old. I'd bet good money the Mets (just using them as an example) would take back the money they spent on a guy like Fanas vs. believing he's a 1.5 million player/prospect at this point.
first round picks bust all the time too. jt ginn got 3m and he was an outright bust.
who is arguing that prospects don't bust? just the strawman.
show me where i said DSL numbers mean a whole lot?
that is the strawman.
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the walk/k rates are what stand out for a player that young more than anything else. especially the trend we can see thanks to the deadline. he's walked more than twice as much as he's k'd since joining mets org. given that he's also a bonus baby we've got a few reasons to believe the talent is there."
And I noted there are MULTIPLE players running *20%* walk rates, multiple players with *.500* OBP, not .400, 500. How is that a "strawman" argument? At no point did you acknowledge, okay, you know what the walk rates in the DSL are heavily inflated so I should take that into consideration? This is really my final post on this because it's really becoming tedious but the DSL has
2 players with OBP over .500 and 88 with .400 or greater OBP
the FCL for comparisons sake has
0 players with a .500 OBP and 13 over .400. It's just not the same thing.
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the walk/k rates are what stand out for a player that young more than anything else. especially the trend we can see thanks to the deadline. he's walked more than twice as much as he's k'd since joining mets org. given that he's also a bonus baby we've got a few reasons to believe the talent is there."
And I noted there are MULTIPLE players running *20%* walk rates, multiple players with *.500* OBP, not .400, 500. How is that a "strawman" argument? At no point did you acknowledge, okay, you know what the walk rates in the DSL are heavily inflated so I should take that into consideration? This is really my final post on this because it's really becoming tedious but the DSL has
2 players with OBP over .500 and 88 with .400 or greater OBP
the FCL for comparisons sake has
0 players with a .500 OBP and 13 over .400. It's just not the same thing.
And no that's not a typo, the DSL has *88* players getting on base at least 40% of the time.
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Mets minor-league infielder Cristopher Larez was suspended for 56 games after testing positive for Boldenone, a steroid. He has been playing in the Dominican Summer League.
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the walk/k rates are what stand out for a player that young more than anything else. especially the trend we can see thanks to the deadline. he's walked more than twice as much as he's k'd since joining mets org. given that he's also a bonus baby we've got a few reasons to believe the talent is there."
And I noted there are MULTIPLE players running *20%* walk rates, multiple players with *.500* OBP, not .400, 500. How is that a "strawman" argument? At no point did you acknowledge, okay, you know what the walk rates in the DSL are heavily inflated so I should take that into consideration? This is really my final post on this because it's really becoming tedious but the DSL has
2 players with OBP over .500 and 88 with .400 or greater OBP
the FCL for comparisons sake has
0 players with a .500 OBP and 13 over .400. It's just not the same thing.
walk and k rates aren't league "numbers". they are proxies for the ever popular "swing decisions". someone running a 2:1 walk to k ratio in any league is good decision making, especially when they are one of the youngest players in the league, and a very different thing from saying the league's numbers or more traditional stat lines matter.
One of the top SP prospects in baseball. Arguably the top lefty
meaningless! (sorry couldnt resist)
Mets DSL Player of the year is Jeffry Rosa
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One of the top SP prospects in baseball. Arguably the top lefty
Who are you arguing for instead … snelling ? I know his family too in a redraft he’s a top 10 pick imo .. say what u want about Preller there’s a reason he always has prospect capital to deal they can draft
Long story short but some guy is having a back and forth with Pham based on this video (and back and forth)
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Yamamoto + one of E-Rod or Montgomery works for me
Jonah Tong to @stluciemets, joining him 20th round pick Kellum Clark. Villalobos and Campos from St. Lucie to FCL and Wenninger (6th round) and Troesser (4th) to @FCLMets (and debuting today) #Mets
he is not doing this with overwhelming exit velocity, but he does have the highest barrel rate on the team. barrels = xbh.
interesting to note but last year the mets only had 1 player over 6% barrel rate, Alonso at 8.6%. so there is a reason they are hitting for more power this year, they are barreling the ball a lot more thanks to lindor, alonso, alvarez, and now stewart.
now for some cold water, here are his stats in syracuse (top) and mlb this year (bottom). what's interesting is that everything looks reasonably sustainable. his k rate is higher and walk rate lower in MLB, as you would expect. very low BABIP in both. a .338 obp at mlb level isn't remarkable. the standouts in both statlines are the power (iso) .287 syracuse, .328 big leagues.
the cold water = there are only 3 qualified players in the mlb who are over .300 iso and they are alonso, olson, shohei. if we drop down to .287 we add 4 more with betts, jdm, robert, and jake burger. number 8 is max muncy, and maybe that's hopeful for stewart, but more likely he is on a homer heater that will obviously fall back to earth. maybe he is a super streaky player and sort of like this year's naquin. but under the hood things look better than naquin.
also interesting, while he has a pretty big career split and has mostly played vs righties, at syracuse this year he actually had a slightly higher ops vs lefties over 980. 1 of his met homers was against a lefty. so he isn't as unplayable as vogelbach as an example, and he's at least playable in a corner.
max muncy's breakout was his age 27/28 season without any covid year in the middle, and thanks to a .300+ iso. his entire stateline is also driven by a strong iso (.246 for his career). stewarts career big league iso is now .202 through his age 29. im not betting on it but maybe there's a chance?
@reillocity
's FaBIO ratings ranked today's debuting pitchers Troesser 4/14 and 12/14 out of the 14 NCAA pitchers they selected
Wenninger 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 0 walks 1 k.
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Team: High-A Brooklyn (South Atlantic)
Age: 19
Why He’s Here: .391/.462/.826 (9-for-23) 3 R, 4 2B, 2 HR, 2 RBIs, 3 BB, 5 SO, 2 SB.
The Scoop: Williams has had an excellent first full pro season, even if the full quality of it may be a little clouded by how hard it is for hitters to deal with the Florida State League. Williams’ stint in the Florida State League was excellent, but if there was one nitpick, it was that his power was limited. He had just 24 extra-base hits in 79 games with six home runs. Since he’s come to Brooklyn, Williams has already added 10 more extra-base hits, including three home runs in just 18 games. Williams keeps sliding between shortstop and center field, and his on-base ability and speed should be valuable wherever he ends up making his defensive home. (JC)
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this year seems like it was a direct result of mistakes by porter/scott/eppler, however in fairness that was because all 3 were tasked with changing the tires on a moving car at high speed.
scott/porter almost misfired completely in 2021 other than Lindor.
eppler's black friday defined last year in a good way, until last year's deadline defined it in a bad way. both were net negatives this year.
hopefully we are beyond all of that and stearns is walking into an organization in an exponentially better position now than it was at the end of 2020. remember stearns walked into the astros organization in 2012 when they were coming off 50-win seasons. his last year before milwaukee was their first winning year in 8, and the start of their recent run basically finished 1st or 2nd every year and winning 2 WS. They made the playoffs in 2015 for the first time in a decade, and have now made the playoffs 8 of 9 years. so he has seen it firsthand.
as nice as it would be to get a top 6 pick this year, i think continuing this recent hot streak and finishing the year at .500 or better would be a really good sign for the health of the organization going forward. the system is in good shape, they have some good cost controlled upside guys at or close to the MLB level, they have 2 super stars and a few who are all stars in good years under contract.
get alonso extended, buy some pitching, and continue pumping resources into building up the organization.
a preference towards the lesser health risk of position players?
coincidence because they just liked the position players better?
an understanding that short of someone like brown or sheehan, they were still going to have to hit FA SP hard?
guess it doesnt matter why, but the result was that they get an extra 5 months to get smarter about pitchers before having to go into the market and commit resources whether that's FA, trades, etc.
his endorsement of buck/eppler (buck especially since his shelf life cant be that long) in-season was frustrating, and honestly given their recent play post deadline shake up i think it may have hurt their chances. if they had done something bold earlier would this recent stretch of better play have happened earlier and possibly when jv/max were still there? but it sent a good message to people considering working for cohen that he's patient and not impulsive. he will stand behind his people.
im sure tommy pham and his agency (gary v's agency) appreciate the comments by cohen supporting him, but also the players in those team's current clubhouses take notice of that. vayner sports doesnt have a ton of big names but there's no downside and the ceo of that agency is pretty new and looks like he had a decent track record prior (Greg Genske) so it's possible they grow more important.
even right now, as frustrating as it has been to see guys like ortega, stewart, medick, ortega, and arauz get playing time over real prospects, i assume that gets looked a favorably by other AAAA depth players who have to sign on for AAA jobs hoping they will get a chance to earn their way back into the big leagues.
albeit through difficult circumstances he has not gotten the executive hires right but he has done an A+ job investing in the organization for the future. and when he went rogue in the offseason he was right - the team needs 1 more bat.
i know there's a hush right now but i think we are going to see an extreme full court press for ohtani in the offseason where cohen is going to make him turn down an extra $50m-100m if he wants to go elsewhere.
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Mets reliever John Curtiss underwent surgery today to remove a loose body from his right elbow. He'll be ready for Opening Day.
The issue with Tidwell seems to be locating his stuff. Don’t necessarily want another John Maine who is at 100 pitches through 5 innings.
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"within a fg" sounds like they were at least 1 more good prospect away from a deal. i would imagine the price for alonso would have been higher than the price on JV or scherzer. tyler Black sounds a lot like they type of player they've liked. frelick too but also similar to gilbert who they added. Misiorowski is interesting because they dont have a high velocity arm like that. Black + Misiorowksi + 1 other top 100 guy sounds like it gets within range but was probably 1 player too many for milwaukee to give up for a 1.5 year rental.
if they talk again in the offseason i wonder if burnes for alonso is something either side would consider. both only have 1 year left. i love alonso and my first choice would be extension but if he's being unreasonable i think id do that. burnes has been top 7 CY voting the last 3 years.
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Mets prospect Jett Williams has only one stretch this year that he went three straight games without reaching base and look at his numbers since in 54 games:
.320/.470/.575, 14 2B, 4 3B, 8 HR, 21 SB (1 CS), with more walks (49) than strikeouts (47).
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Only three minor leaguers have posted the following numbers this season:
- 10+ home runs
- 35+ stolen bases
- 80+ walks
Jakob Marsee
Kyren Paris
Jett Williams
@Metsmerized
#Mets @BKCyclones
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How Mets SS/CF prospect Jett Williams ranks among 337 minor leaguers with at least 400 plate appearances this season:
2nd - 20.3 BB%
10th - .431 OBP
15th - 146 wRC+
18th - 6.3 SwingingStrike%
25th - 39 SB
Unfortunately hearing this also *could* be TJ. It’s definitely his elbow.
Jonah Tong St. Lucie debut 3 innings 0 hits 3 walks 6 k’s
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Unfortunately hearing this also *could* be TJ. It’s definitely his elbow.
Jonah Tong St. Lucie debut 3 innings 0 hits 3 walks 6 k’s
Tommy John confirmed. See you in 2025
Dylan Ross (March 2022)
Robert Dominguez (March 2022)
Coleman Crow ("Earlier this summer")
John Valle (August 2023)
There may be others (some on the 60 day without known injuries) but these 4 are known to have had TJ
Luis A. Rodriguez back on the 60 day (had recently returned from TJ)
Hall (placed on the 60 day upon signing)
Ziegler (originally ruled out for the year, then reported by @mikemayer22
there was some optimism he'd throw some, hasn't #Mets
Some more- Zebulon Vermillion (missed the entire 2023 season, unknown)
Daviel Hurtado/William Lugo (Their top 2 IFA arms of the most recent period, unknown)
Connor Brandon (2022 17th rounder-unknown)
Joel Diaz (unknown date, reported initially by @mikemayer22
on 3/31)
Matt Allan (1/2023)
Bryce Montes De Oca also March 2023 #Mets
Javier Atencio (60 day, horrendous season, injury related? Unknown injury)
Raimon Gomez (TJ "around April")
Landon Marceaux (rough time post trade, placed on the 60 day)
Chris Santiago (2022 18th rounder-missed entire season)
Mathieu Voros 2022 UDFA (60 day)
Marcel Renteria (TJ, June 2023)
Dylan Tebrake (full-season IL end of July)
Matt Rudick (full-season IL-mid August, battling unknown injury)
Mauricio 1-1, Baty 0-1, K, McIIwain 0-1, Cortes 1-1
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#Mets prospect Jett Williams since joining @BKCyclones
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SAL ranks (min. 80 PA):
🎢 1st AVG (.323)
🎢 1st OBP (.470)
🎢 1st OPS (1.085)
🎢 1st 2B (7)
🎢 T-1st H (21)
2023 in SAL (min. 80 PA):
🎢 4th BB% (20.5%)
🎢 6th wRC+ (192) & wOBA (.479)
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#Mets prospect Jett Williams since joining @BKCyclones
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SAL ranks (min. 80 PA):
🎢 1st AVG (.323)
🎢 1st OBP (.470)
🎢 1st OPS (1.085)
🎢 1st 2B (7)
🎢 T-1st H (21)
2023 in SAL (min. 80 PA):
🎢 4th BB% (20.5%)
🎢 6th wRC+ (192) & wOBA (.479)
it seems like it would be a big wasted opportunity to not let him get a taste of AA to finish the year. what more is there for any player to do once they are one of the top players in the league? if he's a big part of the future why not let him get a few weeks in with gilbert and acuna? they can still decide to start him wherever they want next spring.
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103mph and 402 feet slightly the other way to center is pretty impressive. id probably still go cortes ahead bc of the k-rate but almonte seems like such a wasted spot.
LF 5'7" Carlos Cortes
CF 5'6" Jett Williams
RF 5'9 Drew Gilbert
2b 5'8" Luisangel Acuna
C 5'9" Francisco Alvarez
DH 5'6" Matt Rudick
SS 5'6" Wyatt Young
LF 5'7" Carlos Cortes
CF 5'6" Jett Williams
RF 5'9 Drew Gilbert
2b 5'8" Luisangel Acuna
C 5'9" Francisco Alvarez
DH 5'6" Matt Rudick
SS 5'6" Wyatt Young
i know this is a joke but i wonder if anyone has ever looked at the impact of team's with smaller strike zones because their players are just smaller.
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LF 5'7" Carlos Cortes
CF 5'6" Jett Williams
RF 5'9 Drew Gilbert
2b 5'8" Luisangel Acuna
C 5'9" Francisco Alvarez
DH 5'6" Matt Rudick
SS 5'6" Wyatt Young
i know this is a joke but i wonder if anyone has ever looked at the impact of team's with smaller strike zones because their players are just smaller.
I haven't seen that but I have seen things talking about how super sized players (like Judge) get a higher % of strikes called on them because of their size so the reverse is probably true (or could be).
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LF 5'7" Carlos Cortes
CF 5'6" Jett Williams
RF 5'9 Drew Gilbert
2b 5'8" Luisangel Acuna
C 5'9" Francisco Alvarez
DH 5'6" Matt Rudick
SS 5'6" Wyatt Young
i know this is a joke but i wonder if anyone has ever looked at the impact of team's with smaller strike zones because their players are just smaller.
I haven't seen that but I have seen things talking about how super sized players (like Judge) get a higher % of strikes called on them because of their size so the reverse is probably true (or could be).
yeah i would guess there's a relationship, if someone charted the tallest teams vs the shortest teams id bet the shortest team has an advantage with balls/strikes.
though the trade off is probably fewer xbh bc less power.
but if you could get a short team that's powerful like alvarez, jett, gilbert...
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Luke Ritter left during his at-bat in the 8th inning after an awkward swing. Ritter immediately called time after the swing and walked straight to the dugout.
Ritter hit his Mets minor league leading 27th home run earlier in the game.
Like Tidwell, all of them have worked through significant alterations to their arsenals. Hamel added a cutter, has tried to get more sweep on his slider and has changed the grip on his changeup, all since the start of spring training. Scott was experimenting with different changeup grips until finding one that works earlier this year. In barely 12 months, Stuart has gone from a fastball-centric college reliever to a Double-A starter leaning heavily on his slider but confident throwing any of four pitches in any count.
But beggars cannot be choosers, and the Mets are begging for internal options to add to their pitching staff. Only six of the 34 pitchers New York has used this season were drafted or signed by the club. Those half-dozen combined for a 5.47 ERA over 218 2/3 innings this year. Only one of them has an ERA below four: Luis Guillorme, who tossed a single scoreless inning in a 10-0 loss back in April.
This quintet wants to change that.
“When you build a community of guys that get along and they’re all performing and all coming up together and starting to move up at the same time, it builds a relationship,” Vasil said. “Every guy is pulling for each other, every guy is rooting for each other. To me, that’s something really special going on.”
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Mets roster moves: to clear space for Sean Reid-Foley, the team optioned reliever Reed Garrett and DFA'd Tyson Miller.
i think statcast has had his velocity there in syracuse too. when i check the daily mauricio/baty ev i've noticed him in the gamefeeds. actually a little surprised they didnt call him up earlier but coming back from injuries is trickier than just advancing guys without injury.
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6 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 6 K
Absolutely ridiculous run
Winning is being stressed for now on. Instructional and adjustments coming out of spring. They don't care about results early on. How do you adjust. Middle of the year is production and promotion time. Stretch run is teach them how to be winners and to hate losing. That group in the GCL has really bonded over it, nice to see.
While Mauricio’s chase concerns give some pause about his prospect profile, his power has never been in question as he’s backed it up with 20 homers in 109 games for Triple-A Syracuse this season. He’s also been aggressive on the basepaths with 21 steals in 27 attempts, giving him a second straight 20-20 seasons in the upper Minors. He’s the only repeat 20-20 performer of the nine to reach those marks so far in 2023.
While Mauricio’s chase concerns give some pause about his prospect profile, his power has never been in question as he’s backed it up with 20 homers in 109 games for Triple-A Syracuse this season. He’s also been aggressive on the basepaths with 21 steals in 27 attempts, giving him a second straight 20-20 seasons in the upper Minors. He’s the only repeat 20-20 performer of the nine to reach those marks so far in 2023.
Really makes no sense he's not up at this point while we're seeing the likes of Arauz, Mendick, etc.
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Mets signed Franklin Gomez(P) January 15, 2022 with no fan fare and to a low bonus . Since then Gomez has gone
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While Mauricio’s chase concerns give some pause about his prospect profile, his power has never been in question as he’s backed it up with 20 homers in 109 games for Triple-A Syracuse this season. He’s also been aggressive on the basepaths with 21 steals in 27 attempts, giving him a second straight 20-20 seasons in the upper Minors. He’s the only repeat 20-20 performer of the nine to reach those marks so far in 2023.
Really makes no sense he's not up at this point while we're seeing the likes of Arauz, Mendick, etc.
could be wrong bc im not watching him on d, but i think the defense is what's holding them back and i think the baty experience is part of that and has them spooked. i dont think they are totally wrong if that is the reason either. baty's defensive regression over the year was unexpected and disappointing.
none of that excuses not giving someone like cortes a shot. i know his defense isn't great either but he's 26. ortega, arauz, mendick, and stewart arent winning GGs.
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While Mauricio’s chase concerns give some pause about his prospect profile, his power has never been in question as he’s backed it up with 20 homers in 109 games for Triple-A Syracuse this season. He’s also been aggressive on the basepaths with 21 steals in 27 attempts, giving him a second straight 20-20 seasons in the upper Minors. He’s the only repeat 20-20 performer of the nine to reach those marks so far in 2023.
Really makes no sense he's not up at this point while we're seeing the likes of Arauz, Mendick, etc.
could be wrong bc im not watching him on d, but i think the defense is what's holding them back and i think the baty experience is part of that and has them spooked. i dont think they are totally wrong if that is the reason either. baty's defensive regression over the year was unexpected and disappointing.
none of that excuses not giving someone like cortes a shot. i know his defense isn't great either but he's 26. ortega, arauz, mendick, and stewart arent winning GGs.
You're probably correct but let him figure it out at the MLB level with coaching here. We need to see if the bat can play.
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they also should have called him up when his bat was hot back in June.
the biggest mistakes they made the last 2 years were not giving guys every day chances early in the year when opportunities were there and while they were hot. they have specifically beaten the confidence out of their own young players.
i know some people would say "but baty and vientos sucked and alvarez is struggling that's why" but i think that's a stupid excuse. look at a guy like dj stewart who started slow but grew playing every day, now imagine a version of him that's 22/23 years old but with real upside. they wasted at bats on guys not producing way too long. marte looked cooked all year, he should have gone on the IL immediately after that failed experiment in CF and that game when he let the ball go under his glove. mauricio should have been every day OF and vientos almost every day DH from those points forward. they should have leaned into the "baby mets" instead of leaning away.
the season may have fallen apart any way but they'd be in better shape as an organization right now.
Which btw. I always say spring training is a dream for a baseball junky, but it’s changed a lot over the years.
For the true junkies here. Do yourself a favor. Catch a GCL game once. It’s truly a junkies dream come true.
Which btw. I always say spring training is a dream for a baseball junky, but it’s changed a lot over the years.
For the true junkies here. Do yourself a favor. Catch a GCL game once. It’s truly a junkies dream come true.
Playoffs baby!
@JustinRocke
Since returning from the All-Star break on July 14, Jett Williams is slashing .345/.497/.646 with a 1.143 OPS in 33 games between Single-A @stluciemets
& High-A @BKCyclones
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In that span, no one in @MiLB
(min. 145 PA) has registered a higher OBP (.497).
in coming days
not saying it's anyone's fault, but this has to go down as one of the worst contracts ever, right?
8 starts, 31 innings pitched, probably an 8 ERA, 1-4 record
$245M
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not saying it's anyone's fault, but this has to go down as one of the worst contracts ever, right?
8 starts, 31 innings pitched, probably an 8 ERA, 1-4 record
$245M
With no insurance. Yikes.
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Ronny Mauricio numbers:
115 MPH off the bat
His 21st HR of the season
His International League-leading 135th hit
boom
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Mets minor-league INF Luke Ritter is out 4-6 weeks (so likely the rest of the season) because of an oblique strain, per a league source. Across Double A and Triple A this season, he hit 27 home runs. The 26-year-old is Rule 5 eligible.
release 3 DSL players 2B Lewis Castillo, SS Samuel Camacaro and, SS Yohenny Mata
Wilson Esterlin to St Lucie as well
🚨Let's do this ONE...LAST...TIME...🚨
Final FREE Update to the Top 10 Projected Prospects (non-debuted)!
1⃣Jackson Holliday
2⃣Evan Carter
3⃣Junior Caminero
4⃣Emmanuel Rodriguez
5⃣Jett Williams 👀
6⃣Pete Crow-Armstrong
7⃣James Wood
8⃣Samuel Zavala
9⃣Lazaro Montes
🔟Carlos Jorge
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Final FREE Update to the Top 10 Projected Prospects (non-debuted)!
1⃣Jackson Holliday
2⃣Evan Carter
3⃣Junior Caminero
4⃣Emmanuel Rodriguez
5⃣Jett Williams 👀
6⃣Pete Crow-Armstrong
7⃣James Wood
8⃣Samuel Zavala
9⃣Lazaro Montes
🔟Carlos Jorge
scout the statline winning you over brings a tear to my eye.
That trade was beyond moronic. OMG, what the hell were they thinking???
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Another Jett Williams dinger tonight
Only Junior Caminero, Roman Anthony and Ryan Clifford have a higher ISO among teenagers in High A south Atlantic league.
Power is *supposed* to be his weakness.
Cortes
McIIwain
Thanks.
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Another Jett Williams dinger tonight
Only Junior Caminero, Roman Anthony and Ryan Clifford have a higher ISO among teenagers in High A south Atlantic league.
Power is *supposed* to be his weakness.
And we have 2 of the 4! The prospect writers are so behind not having Jett at #1 and a top 40 in the game.
Cortes
McIIwain
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Minor league OBP leaders, 19U hitters with at least 400 PA.
Extra credit for 2022 first-round shortstops Jackson Holliday and Jett Williams for playing in pitcher-friendly leagues.
Not that they need the extra credit.
mauricio / acuna is an interesting #2/3 debate. not sure there's a right answer. 2 different playing styles, 1 guy with better defense, the other with more power closer to big leagues. i put both over gilbert because they have louder tools.
i was luke warm on gilbert and 1 good month doesn't change the general level i consider him but he's performing a level ahead of parada and clifford, and more likley to be + impact on defense. so while i think he may have the least upside of the 3 he probably has the highest floor too. and hey, like jett he's close to ops'ing 1.000 in august which is almost a 200 point gain over his best prior AA month so maybe i was late to the party on his upside just like jett.
all in though i think that top 6 is 5x 50 grades and 1x 55 grade. fangraphs estimates 50 grades at $28m and 55 grades at $46m. so that's $140m worth of 50 grades, and $186m total in those top 6. $186m would be fangraphs 13th ranked farm system. so just those 6 players, 3 from the deadline trades, are a top half farm system if we use FG methodology.
notably FG agrees with all of those grades except Jett - who they still have at a 45+ worth $8m. if we only changed their grade on Jett, their total value of the mets system would jump up from $216m to $254m - which would be 2nd best behind Pitt at $267m.
7-10 are probably ramirez, vargas, houck, j-rod, and id probably rank them in that order just based on the levels they are at.
didnt include the pitchers because they are all clustered other than tidwell and vasil seeming like the clear top 2 but both below 50 grade. fg only values 45 grade pitchers at $4m and it's hard to argue with that.
tl:dr that top 6 is probably as good as almost any top 6 in MLB, and the system had a really great august. need some of those pitchers to step and some of those 7-10 low level guys to continue ascending next year. would be nice if some of these guys who have done well at Cuse can play their way into firmer big league roles for next year over the next month.
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His 22nd, he is a repeat 20/20 player, his K's and BB's changed significantly and subsequently his OBP (for the better) from last year to this year.
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The night after hitting two home runs, Mets outfield prospect Brandon McIlwain was on base four times for Triple-A Syracuse with two doubles and two walks.
He has a .952 OPS since his promotion to Triple-A.
His 22nd, he is a repeat 20/20 player, his K's and BB's changed significantly and subsequently his OBP (for the better) from last year to this year.
it's mind boggling to me that some of these prospect lists see 100 better prospects in minors. he only turned 22 a few months ago, has a lot of paths to being successful because they are playing him at so many positions. he's a true 5 tool.
i really think some of these services just get prospect fatigue talking about players for 4-5 years and if they dont do something special they move on to the younger generation. or in mauricio's case even if they do something special. he has 55 xbh in 113 games, which is close to an 80 pace over a full season. aaron judge was the only guy who had 80+ last year.
when you look at the current 40 man there are a lot of easy ones though.
It was almost pure athleticism IMO, he went down on one knee and basically hit a 9 iron over the right field wall.
it was one of those HRs that you see like a flick of his wrists and it makes you think of untapped potential.
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2 hits, they are going to have some tough rule 5 decisions this off-season.
when you look at the current 40 man there are a lot of easy ones though.
Yeah, but there are also big leaguers that need to be added as well and 40 man decisions are "forever" decisions. Once added you need to waive/DFA a player to remove them. It's not as simple as "just add them!"
Just a partial list
Ramirez, Juarez, Consuegra, Crow, Allan, Jarvis, Orze, Ritter, Cortes, Ventura, Peroza, McIIwain, Jackson, Suarez.
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INF Mark Vientos has been reinstated from the 10-Day IL.
RHP Jeff Brigham has been recalled from Triple-A Syracuse.
LHP Adam Kolarek has been designated for assignment.
OF Abraham Almonte has been designated for assignment.
that's true but they dont need many "slots" for veteran signings as of now, and wont need as many with so many young guys on the 40 ready to play depth roles. Mauricio obviously, but if they add McIilwain, Cortes, whoever presumably it's because they think those guys can be depth players.
Mauricio being able to play so many positions helps them avoid needing a replacement for Escobar or any other back SS since they already have Guillorme/Lindor.
this should be an offseason where they add a small handful of impact veterans. 2 SP, maybe 1 versatile hitter, and 2 relievers with as high impact as possible. which should give them 10+ spots to protect prospects.
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send to the AFL this season. Might use it to get some final looks at tough Rule 5 decisions. Flip side is giving teams another look at these players as well.
Schwartz/Rudick both missed extensive time so they would be top candidates, Ziegler as well (obviously only if they are healthy)
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You think they move him up to AA for playoffs or let him ride out the rest of the season in Brooklyn?
You think they move him up to AA for playoffs or let him ride out the rest of the season in Brooklyn?
Was told they don’t want to pull major players from pennant races. Also Cohen (like the Wilpons before him) really values the Brooklyn fans. Williams likely isn’t promoted unless Brooklyn falls out of the race which seems unlikely (currently up 2.0 games for the second half crown/playoff spot)
-Loves Jett Williams
-Likes Gilbert more second half than he did earlier this season
-VERY down on Alex Ramirez, says he looks disinterested and still looks good in CF but very weak swings and as noted by others, issues with premium velocity
-Down on Parada, says bat speed looks less impressive than it did pre-draft "not a catcher" for him
-Said to keep an eye on Wilfredo Lara, more of a utility type but kind of slept on
-Has heard teams like McIIwain "not going to project rule 5 stuff in August but he'd be a hot name".
have signed the 6th overall pick in the 2015 draft LHP Tyler Jay to a minor league deal. Jay (now 29 years old) last pitched affiliated baseball back in 2019 (Reds system)
have signed the 6th overall pick in the 2015 draft LHP Tyler Jay to a minor league deal. Jay (now 29 years old) last pitched affiliated baseball back in 2019 (Reds system)
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The Binghamton Rumble Ponies, Double-A Affiliate of the @Mets
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has been named Eastern League Pitcher of the Week for August 21-27.
Which is the same amount they were able to offer him before the deadline
6. Ronny Mauricio, SS, Mets
Team: Triple-A Syracuse (International)
Age: 22
Why He’s Here: .435/.536/.870 (10-for-23), 7 R, 2 2B, 1 3B, 2 HR, 4 RBIs, 5 BB, 4 SO, 3-for-3 SB
The Scoop: Anytime Mauricio walks more than he strikes out he makes the Hot Sheet, as that is typically a sign that Mauricio is locked in and seeing the ball well. Not since Justin Upton’s heyday have we seen a player as streaky as Mauricio. After opening the season scorching hot for two months, Mauricio hit a prolonged slump through June into July, hitting .218/.268/.420 from June 1 to July 17. Since then Mauricio has caught fire, finishing his season in a similar fashion to how it opened. Last week Mauricio collected a hit in the first five games of the series with Buffalo, hitting five extra-base hits from Tuesday to Saturday. Mauricio is a twitchy athlete with plus power and an aggressive contact-driven approach. (GP)
i think the playing time for him, ortega, and dj stewart is a billboard to agents of AAAA/fringe MLB players who are going to sign for minor league deals.
not saying it's right but they seemed to want to keep the syracuse guys down until 9/1 and give the above a full month.
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Jonathan Araúz since 2021 is 24/155 (.155/.224/.290). A 40 wRC+ good for 583/593 players with at least 170 PA's
i think the playing time for him, ortega, and dj stewart is a billboard to agents of AAAA/fringe MLB players who are going to sign for minor league deals.
not saying it's right but they seemed to want to keep the syracuse guys down until 9/1 and give the above a full month.
Explain Danny Mendick then lol
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BREAKING: The Los Angeles Angels have placed starter Lucas Giolito, relievers Matt Moore and Reynaldo López, and outfielders Hunter Renfroe and Randal Grichuk on waivers, sources tell ESPN. Huge potential playoff implications: All can be claimed by teams for free on Thursday.
and Tyler Thomas to @SyracuseMets
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Jonathan Araúz since 2021 is 24/155 (.155/.224/.290). A 40 wRC+ good for 583/593 players with at least 170 PA's
i think the playing time for him, ortega, and dj stewart is a billboard to agents of AAAA/fringe MLB players who are going to sign for minor league deals.
not saying it's right but they seemed to want to keep the syracuse guys down until 9/1 and give the above a full month.
Explain Danny Mendick then lol
same thing. remember he had actually been good in chi before the acl tear (he just hasn't been good here).
ortega and stewart have been decent - the production from pham/canha to them hasn't had much dropoff if any. both better than marte. this is august.
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BREAKING: The Los Angeles Angels have placed starter Lucas Giolito, relievers Matt Moore and Reynaldo López, and outfielders Hunter Renfroe and Randal Grichuk on waivers, sources tell ESPN. Huge potential playoff implications: All can be claimed by teams for free on Thursday.
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Look as loathe as I am to say it the commissioner probably needs to step in here
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Waiver order no longer goes by league. Someone in the Marlins/Reds/Giants tier is about to get a bunch of killer acquisitions for nothing but money. This is a complete joke and destroys the integrity of the pennant race.
Fingers crossed it's just tired arm and nothing major.
Throws out Dylan Crews on a SB attempt.
Jarvis with another stinker. 3 innings 4 hits 4 runs 3 walks 3 k’s
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Ronny Mauricio has two hits tonight including his 23rd home run of the season.
He has reached base in 21 straight games.
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Defense isn't going to get any better in AAA let them work out and kinks at this level. Also how many times have we seen defensive reports be totally off? I know Mauricio has a high error count but maybe other major leaguers around him helps that. Alonso picks some throws etc.
that is what i suspect. they are making him think about playing out a year somewhere that's not ny, that will not come close to offering him whatever extension he's looking for, and being forced to go open market.
he is repped by a smaller agency and he looks like he'll be their biggest deal ever no matter what he gets. don't love there being an inexperienced counterpart in the negotiation if the client is already appearing to be difficult. seems like they may be looking for too big of a "win" considering all the circumstances because this should be a pretty simple extension.
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Says the Mets made Alonso an offer which he passed on. This is probably (most likely) part of the reason this trade talk stuff kicked up (even down to putting the screws to Alonso, making him sweat a bit)
that is what i suspect. they are making him think about playing out a year somewhere that's not ny, that will not come close to offering him whatever extension he's looking for, and being forced to go open market.
he is repped by a smaller agency and he looks like he'll be their biggest deal ever no matter what he gets. don't love there being an inexperienced counterpart in the negotiation if the client is already appearing to be difficult. seems like they may be looking for too big of a "win" considering all the circumstances because this should be a pretty simple extension.
Exactly these two posts. Click HERE to see Pete's Spotrac page. He's represented by Apex Baseball.
I remember Shecky pointing out that tactics like this would be used. The Mets want Pete on a shorter deal, but Pete is being stubborn and so is his neophyte agency. they want a longer deal and are trying to do what Kim Miale did to Joe Schoen. Pete's gonna need to think long and hard about what it would mean to test the Mets. They've already shown they're willing to trade big time players. Granted, he's a different kettle of fish due to his younger age, being home grown, and being a core player. With all that said, he can be replaced. Everyone can. Ball's in his court.
He can come down on his demands and agree to a 6 or 7 year deal peacefully this offseason, starting with buying out his last arbitration year next year, OR he can get testy and get dealt. I don't think the Mets necessarily want to deal him, but if there's one thing Steve Cohen understands it's markets.
If Pete REALLY values being a Met, he and his rinky dink agency need to to realize who they're dealing with in Steve Cohen and that the grass is NOT necessarily always greener on the other side. His choice. The agency is interested in making a name for themselves, not Pete's happiness. Take a look at Freddie Freeman's meltdown with his agent(s) after he found out what went down during his negotiation and the crying about how much he missed the Braves. I'd say the Braves did pretty well for themselves moving on from him.
On that note, Ryan Clifford's at A+ Brooklyn now and is a damned fine potential in-house replacement candidate circa 2026 (HERE is his MiLB.com page) for Pete at 1B. That would give them 2 years to hold the fort if they deal Pete this offseason and only 1 year if they keep him next year and let him walk---which is doubtful IMO. They're gonna want to get something for him and add to their minor league war chest.
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they have so many catching prospects right? they probably wait until he's closer to FA.
look at how cheap mcneil was even though he got pretty close to UFA, these overage guys have very little leverage. as alonso seems to be finding out.
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of Apex (Alonso's agency) their second biggest client is Will Smith. More money than I'll ever have but Will Smith has only made 7 million as a member of LAD, and has 2 more years of arbitration. He'll be a 31 year old FA, likely never really truly "cash in". Do the Dodgers extend him now for 2-3 more? Or just let it play out and let him walk?
they have so many catching prospects right? they probably wait until he's closer to FA.
look at how cheap mcneil was even though he got pretty close to UFA, these overage guys have very little leverage. as alonso seems to be finding out.
2 of the best catching prospects in baseball in Cartaya/Rushing + Liranzo/Fernandez... so yes. Loaded.
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of Apex (Alonso's agency) their second biggest client is Will Smith. More money than I'll ever have but Will Smith has only made 7 million as a member of LAD, and has 2 more years of arbitration. He'll be a 31 year old FA, likely never really truly "cash in". Do the Dodgers extend him now for 2-3 more? Or just let it play out and let him walk?
they have so many catching prospects right? they probably wait until he's closer to FA.
look at how cheap mcneil was even though he got pretty close to UFA, these overage guys have very little leverage. as alonso seems to be finding out.
2 of the best catching prospects in baseball in Cartaya/Rushing + Liranzo/Fernandez... so yes. Loaded.
if the brewers/mets thing gets rekindled in the offseason, misiorowski and quero would be my guess on the package the mets would want even for just 1 year of alonso even with alvarez. i think the path going forward with DH is having 2 quality catchers and with Parada being up in the air defensively catcher is pretty thin upper levels.
from the brewers side at least 1 of them had to be in the brewer offer for the offer to be tempting for mets, probably misiorowski, and im sure the mets tried to be aggressive on the 2nd/3rd pieces and that's where they were a FG apart.
gilbert, jett, mauricio, nimmo signed long term, acuna give them a lot of outfield options AA or higher now. still possible baty (or parada) moves to LF.
can never have enough quality C and SS in a system.
parada may not be a catcher at all so for system building purposes the mets need to 'act as if'.
you can't just hope or even bet on parada being a catcher because by the time you find out for sure it's too late. trading for hernandez was a good move. i dont think trading alonso is a good move but if you do it catcher is perhaps the position id value highest other than a high velocity pitcher.
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to somebody just last week that actually thinks Hernandez is the Mets top C prospect (not Parada). Thinks Hernandez's floor is a good backup C with the ceiling of a starter, whereas he doesn't think Parada is a viable C going forward. We'll see who is right, but it's not as outrageous of a take as you'd think on it's face.
parada may not be a catcher at all so for system building purposes the mets need to 'act as if'.
you can't just hope or even bet on parada being a catcher because by the time you find out for sure it's too late. trading for hernandez was a good move. i dont think trading alonso is a good move but if you do it catcher is perhaps the position id value highest other than a high velocity pitcher.
Oh, they aren't likely moving him fully off of C anytime "soon". But they have seemingly become more open to giving players time at other spots "quicker" than years past. Wouldn't shock me to see Parada see time at 1b occasionally next season, just to see how he responds. LF, less likely but who knows? Between Hernandez isn't a stud prospect but he has starters "upside" and they have Alvarez already. Gutierrez awful debut but only 18, and Rodriguez is the top IFA C in the 2024 class and he's going to be with the Mets as well. It's not loaded but they have some talent.
not to oversimplify but 36 xbh in 380 plate appearances should play at any position if he can keep that up. that's 60+ in a full year. alonso and lindor probably the only mets that get there this year (they each have 55 right now, next closest is nimmo at 43, after that alvarez at 29, mcneil 28, no other player even has 20).
april was his weakest month across the board so the may-aug numbers trend even better.
those xbh numbers for the mets are why it's crazy they havent been more aggressive with mauricio and vientos. beyond the homers they had been xbh machines. if you hit a lot of XBH's you can deal with some swing and miss. alonso is not having his ideal year hitting .220 with a .320 obp and 22% k's but there are enough xbh's that he's still a big net positive.
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Ronny Mauricio is putting together a terrific month of August for Triple-A Syracuse:
.303/.373/.586, .959 OPS
5 2B, 3B, 7 HR, 15 RBI, 11 BB, 8-for-10 in stolen bases
along with hopefully cortes and mcillwain.
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.277 (4 games)
105 k's over 386 ab's. If you're going to strike out like that AND not be a likely asset in LF like that a .182 ISO is pretty underwhelming. He was 15th in the SAL in ISO, 3rd on his own team behind Clifford/Consuegra and his K/BB was 41st. As I said, season 1, "solid" season but completely disagree that's good enough to profile as a starting MLB OF by the numbers taking into consideration his likely defensive ability in LF.
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Ronny Mauricio is putting together a terrific month of August for Triple-A Syracuse:
.303/.373/.586, .959 OPS
5 2B, 3B, 7 HR, 15 RBI, 11 BB, 8-for-10 in stolen bases
along with hopefully cortes and mcillwain.
Mike Hessman was the last minor leaguer to slug 400 homers, can Ronny join him! (I'm obviously kidding).
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105 k's over 386 ab's. If you're going to strike out like that AND not be a likely asset in LF like that a .182 ISO is pretty underwhelming. He was 15th in the SAL in ISO, 3rd on his own team behind Clifford/Consuegra and his K/BB was 41st. As I said, season 1, "solid" season but completely disagree that's good enough to profile as a starting MLB OF by the numbers taking into consideration his likely defensive ability in LF.
im not the biggest fan of using rc this way but canha's last 3 years average to about 115, so that's still at least a starter level player assuming his defense can be neutral (in LF that's not a high bar).
he's 11 months younger and 1 year behind gilbert even though they were from the same draft class. parada actually has more xbh than gilbert on the year. the hope is obviously that he will have a better year next year and get to that same type of 130+ at AA (or AAA) we are seeing from gilbert now but the fact that parada is already getting xbh at the rate he is gives a clear path to getting there.
🔹 .303 AVG
🔹 7 HR
🔹 15 RBI
🔹 .959 OPS
🔹 11 BB (most in a month in his professional career)
And again each of the dozen times he was rumored to be on his way to the big club 🤣
Will he get a Sept call up?
that's all completely reasonable my point is if that is his 'ok' season, a 'good' season should be pretty good even if he ends up in LF.
if this was his 'good' season then that will be a disappointing outcome but that seems like a premature assessment since it was only year 1. just based on how he was viewed in the draft i'd be more comfortable betting that his best seasons are in the future and this wasnt his career year.
And again each of the dozen times he was rumored to be on his way to the big club 🤣
Will he get a Sept call up?
i think we trusted you, the lack of trust is with this mets regimes decision making since they've missed the mark a lot.
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Lavender also why not.
Not rule 5 eligible until 2024. Doubt they want to start that clock when his walk rate is already a concern. He’ll be there in ST I’m sure
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I don't mind that if that's the case, but the major caveat I have is that Mauricio *has* to know or it's stupid.
I do think he should be called up 9/1 and should have been up sooner based on play, but I have to assume there is a reason - that isn't the reason in the link.
i think the devers deal got alonso thinking grandiose.
and in a rational world, if devers is worth 313m, it is hard to make an argument alonso isn't worth a lot more than half that.
but pete also needs to be realistic. that deal is an outlier. turning down 200m over whatever duration would be idiotic. the mets should offer him 200m over whatever number of years they want for tax reasons and both sides should take a win.
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Need a longer look at Jonathan Arauz duh. Free Ronny, Cortes, McIIwain. I’d actually give Orze a look too but that ones more out there
Lavender also why not.
Not rule 5 eligible until 2024. Doubt they want to start that clock when his walk rate is already a concern. He’ll be there in ST I’m sure
He'll be 24 at the start of next year. Who cares about the clock IMO ofc.
I don't mind that if that's the case, but the major caveat I have is that Mauricio *has* to know or it's stupid.
I do think he should be called up 9/1 and should have been up sooner based on play, but I have to assume there is a reason - that isn't the reason in the link.
there were perfectly good reasons why alvarez was going to spend most of this year in AAA too.
none of them stopped him from hitting a bunch of big homers and being the team's best defensive catcher in a long time from day 1.
there's a difference between whatever ideal world the mets think they are living in where it's easy to predict prospect readiness and the real world where unexpected stuff happens every season. im sure they had a bunch of good reasons for their trade deadline moves last year too, but it's an unpredictable game. none of us would have predicted that both ortega and stewart have been significant upgrades on marte.
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Need a longer look at Jonathan Arauz duh. Free Ronny, Cortes, McIIwain. I’d actually give Orze a look too but that ones more out there
Lavender also why not.
Not rule 5 eligible until 2024. Doubt they want to start that clock when his walk rate is already a concern. He’ll be there in ST I’m sure
He'll be 24 at the start of next year. Who cares about the clock IMO ofc.
The clock referring to the 40 man. If he comes up and he stinks your options are to DFA him or hold a player on the 40 man that isn't capable of helping the big club. They are already going to have multiple players that fit
Crow 40 man spot until ST
Acuna
Montes De Oca 40 man spot until ST
Josh Walker
If you call up Lavender now and he sucks (and again he has a FIP over 5 and a 4.89 BB/9) , there is no going back.
Justin Jarvis who will have to be added to the 40
McIIwain/Cortes/Juarez/Ramirez/Ventura/Orze/Allan/Peroza/Ritter/Consuegra/Jeremiah Jackson as rule 5 eligible. They may have room on the 40 man but they are likely in no rush to add to these decisions. Mauricio obviously doesn't full under this because he's already on the 40 man.
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is there is likely something we don't know about that is pushing the Mets to not call up Mauricio.
I don't mind that if that's the case, but the major caveat I have is that Mauricio *has* to know or it's stupid.
I do think he should be called up 9/1 and should have been up sooner based on play, but I have to assume there is a reason - that isn't the reason in the link.
there were perfectly good reasons why alvarez was going to spend most of this year in AAA too.
none of them stopped him from hitting a bunch of big homers and being the team's best defensive catcher in a long time from day 1.
there's a difference between whatever ideal world the mets think they are living in where it's easy to predict prospect readiness and the real world where unexpected stuff happens every season. im sure they had a bunch of good reasons for their trade deadline moves last year too, but it's an unpredictable game. none of us would have predicted that both ortega and stewart have been significant upgrades on marte.
every case is different. Alvarez, in addition to doing well at his level only needed to be a better option than Nido/Narvaez so it was compelling to call him up.
Mauricio is unlikely to ever be a better option than Lindor, so moving off SS has complicated things for him.
Either way though I think he should have been called up and should be called up, but my point was whether us fans know the story or not, he should know what is preventing it from happening.
Among full season pitchers Daniel Juarez since OD 2022 leads the organization in era (1.67), 2nd in BAA (trailing only @EliAnkeney), leads the organization in whip (0.98), 9th in FIP and will be 23 for the entire 2024 season (rule 5 eligible!)
I do not.
We can agree to disagree.
I do not.
We can agree to disagree.
post-deadline absolutely. alvarez got his chance when MLB players got hurt not because of his 4 games he played at syracuse. in ST they were very clear they weren't considering him for the MLB roster. they also almost sent him back down mid-may when nido/narvaez were rehabbing. the only reason they didnt was because he got hot and started hitting big homers.
when the mets traded their 2 starting OF's at the trade deadline, or earlier when Marte got hurt, they called up DJ Stewart, Ortega, almonte, arauz, mendick and the like. those were all similar opportunities to call up mauricio, they chose not to.
Brandon McIIwain .965
The Mets haven't had quality internal OF depth in YEARS but no, leave them both down in AAA
Brandon McIIwain .965
The Mets haven't had quality internal OF depth in YEARS but no, leave them both down in AAA
exactly. there is literally no justification for some of their decisions except "they prefer vets, even dead end vets".
Cortes has always been a good bat to ball skills hitter. he is 26. he doesn't K a lot. there is no rational reason to not give him a shot over some of the at bats given to almonte, stewart, ortega.
and that's only if there's not a reason to first keep Mauricio buried. one of their top prospects who has 2x 20/20 seasons in a row with big exit velo and has been hitting a steady .300 going back to winter league.
the mets for 2 years have acted like they know for sure their prospects are going to suck and arent even worth giving a chance.
they have only ever gotten MLB chances when forced by injuries. and sometimes not even then.
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view Alvarez and Mauricio's path to the majors being the same in 2023.
I do not.
We can agree to disagree.
post-deadline absolutely. alvarez got his chance when MLB players got hurt not because of his 4 games he played at syracuse. in ST they were very clear they weren't considering him for the MLB roster. they also almost sent him back down mid-may when nido/narvaez were rehabbing. the only reason they didnt was because he got hot and started hitting big homers.
when the mets traded their 2 starting OF's at the trade deadline, or earlier when Marte got hurt, they called up DJ Stewart, Ortega, almonte, arauz, mendick and the like. those were all similar opportunities to call up mauricio, they chose not to.
I have no idea what your point is.
I said all along, Mauricio should have been called up, but since he hasn't been my expectation is the Mets have had open communication with him about why. If there is something they feel he needs to work on they aren't secret about it they talk with him and explain it.
If you think you need 1000 words to disagree with that don't bother, I don't even see how my comment is controversial.
I have no idea what your point is.
I said all along, Mauricio should have been called up, but since he hasn't been my expectation is the Mets have had open communication with him about why. If there is something they feel he needs to work on they aren't secret about it they talk with him and explain it.
If you think you need 1000 words to disagree with that don't bother, I don't even see how my comment is controversial.
my point is very simple in less than 1k words - i disagree with the below including the caveats.
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this isn't just 1 prospect, it's multiple. the last 2 years this regime has chosen to play a lot of highly flawed veterans who have done a lot of sucking instead of giving their actual prospects chances. they have called up 34 year old abraham almonte twice and played him in 8 games this month, post-deadline. forget mauricio, what conceivable purpose does that serve over anyone else at syracuse in their 20's? almonte went 1/15 with 8'ks and terrible defense.
Otherwise I have no explanation, but I believe there has to be an explanation.
Otherwise I have no explanation, but I believe there has to be an explanation.
i was willing to buy that when it was just 1 guy. but first it was vientos, then it was mauricio, and now in august it's a host of guys (cortes, mcillwain, ritter) who have played well over the last several months not getting shots while the #11 and #14 on this list have been rostered all month with #13 getting 2 different call up shots. these are august numbers:
if they all have bad attitudes or preparation problems then there's a deeper issue in the system.
maybe meaningless but syracuse did a pregame interview with mcillwain and their tweet promoting it says "cusp of majors". Sounds like a good head on his shoulders.
Syracuse Mets
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"The game just slows down. It feels awesome."
On tonight's
@VisitSyracuse
pregame show, Brandon McIlwain chatted with
@evstockton
about his recent power surge at the plate & his transition from D1 Quarterback to the cusp of the Majors.
Brandon McIlwain Pregame Interview | August 30, 2023 - ( New Window )
good news is since he's already 25 it's just a few short years until he checks the coveted "30+ years old" box.
@Joelsherman1
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The Mets are planning to promote touted prospect Ronny Mauricio on Friday when rosters expand to 28, The Post has learned
@Joelsherman1
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The Mets are planning to promote touted prospect Ronny Mauricio on Friday when rosters expand to 28, The Post has learned
About time.
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Need a longer look at Jonathan Arauz duh. Free Ronny, Cortes, McIIwain. I’d actually give Orze a look too but that ones more out there
Lavender also why not.
Not rule 5 eligible until 2024. Doubt they want to start that clock when his walk rate is already a concern. He’ll be there in ST I’m sure
He'll be 24 at the start of next year. Who cares about the clock IMO ofc.
The clock referring to the 40 man. If he comes up and he stinks your options are to DFA him or hold a player on the 40 man that isn't capable of helping the big club. They are already going to have multiple players that fit
Crow 40 man spot until ST
Acuna
Montes De Oca 40 man spot until ST
Josh Walker
If you call up Lavender now and he sucks (and again he has a FIP over 5 and a 4.89 BB/9) , there is no going back.
That's my bad. I thought he was on the 40 already. Alright let's leave him down.
Mention him. Said he sits 93 with a 45 slider. At least worth keeping our eye on
He’s hitting .282/.440/.564 with 19 BB/20 K in those 23 games.
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When I interviewed Jett Williams for @Metsmerized
, he talked about altering his leg kick at the behest of a former coach in the #Mets system.
Jett reverted back to his original mechanics this summer, & has seen vast improvements in his power production.
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When I interviewed Jett Williams for @Metsmerized
, he talked about altering his leg kick at the behest of a former coach in the #Mets system.
Jett reverted back to his original mechanics this summer, & has seen vast improvements in his power production.
Real good coaching there. Wonder who it was.
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When I interviewed Jett Williams for @Metsmerized
, he talked about altering his leg kick at the behest of a former coach in the #Mets system.
Jett reverted back to his original mechanics this summer, & has seen vast improvements in his power production.
Real good coaching there. Wonder who it was.
On that note-
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Sources: The Mets have fired director of player development Kevin Howard.
Howard was also the Mets assistant hitting coach for part of the 2021 season.
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Sources: There has been a huge shakeup in the Mets front office. Kevin Howard, director of player development has been fired as well as Jeff Lebow, Director of Pro Player Evaluation. Other higher ranking officials and analysts said to be fired as well. Changes coming to Mets org.
howard came over from cleveland and started in january 2021 (same month porter got fired)
Lebow, 30, graduated from Cornell University in 2011 and joined the Mets as a Baseball Operations Assistant in 2011. He later became a Baseball Operations Coordinator in 2014 before being promoted to Manager of Professional Scouting earlier this year. he had been promoted by bvw in 2019 to asst scouting director.
guess we know who eppler faults for their poor 2022 deadline evaluations and perhaps some of the problems we've seen with lack of development in the last couple years.
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It started way before these guys....
But its a continuation of the fact that while the #Mets can draft and sometimes develop well....
They have been NOTORIOUSLY bad at self-identifying which players are "MLB caliber" guys.
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It started way before these guys....
But its a continuation of the fact that while the #Mets can draft and sometimes develop well....
They have been NOTORIOUSLY bad at self-identifying which players are "MLB caliber" guys.
it will be very interesting to see how this plays out. in terms of prospect development and prospects being ready to handle the big leagues it seemed like things regressed the last couple years. i would imagine there are a lot of jett williams stories.
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Sources tell myself and
@MikeMayer22
that Jim Cavallini, Mets Director of Performance, has been fired.
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Two minor league promotions:
Right-handed pitcher Layonel Ovalles is headed to High-A Brooklyn. The 20-year-old has a 4.18 ERA (4.73 overall) in August with 30 K/5 BB.
Two-way player Nolan McLean has been added to the St. Lucie Mets roster. Drafted in 3rd RD this year.
had 9 players undergo TJ surgery (this includes minor leaguers).
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Mets firings are very targeted and very telling. Directors of departments that target Development and Pro Player Evaluation, 2 areas they’ve struggled with immensely. Analytics department looking at a re-tool as well.
Michael Marino
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Jim Cavallini, hired in 2018 before Cohen
Kevin Howard, hired in 2021 after Cohen
Bryan Hayes, been with org for over 10 years, promoted under Cohen
Jeff Lebow, been with org for over 10 years, promoted under Cohen
3 of 4 either promoted or hired under Steve Cohen’s ownership
now has @mets
system the #8 most valuable system in baseball with a total value of $216 million. Pittsburgh remains #1 $267 #Mets
now has @mets
system the #8 most valuable system in baseball with a total value of $216 million. Pittsburgh remains #1 $267 #Mets
if you bump jett up to a 55 grade, nothing else, i think that alone moves mets to 2nd at 254m.
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When I interviewed Jett Williams for @Metsmerized
, he talked about altering his leg kick at the behest of a former coach in the #Mets system.
Jett reverted back to his original mechanics this summer, & has seen vast improvements in his power production.
Real good coaching there. Wonder who it was.
The organization's coaching is caca. I LOLd when Cookie found stunted success with hs slider earlier this season when found a tip from Instagram instead of getting one from his pitching coach. Good on Jett for doing his thing. Jabronis.
@BKCyclones
debut tonight and Dom Hamel on the mound for
@RumblePoniesBB
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Jett Williams in the month of August:
27 G, .301/.458/.548, 1.007 OPS
8 2B, 5 HR, 15 RBI, 26 BB/22 SO
10-for-11 in stolen bases
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Jett Williams in the month of August:
27 G, .301/.458/.548, 1.007 OPS
8 2B, 5 HR, 15 RBI, 26 BB/22 SO
10-for-11 in stolen bases
Stud. Writers sleeping on him so much. #1 in system top 40 overall maybe higher.
MLB has the top 5 as 60 grades overall, holliday is a 70 grade, the rest are 55 grade (they also grade Jett at 55).
is there anyone on this list other than holliday who you would definitely take over jett? brooks lee / carson williams look like the first guys im not that tempted to take over jett.
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MLB has the top 5 as 60 grades overall, holliday is a 70 grade, the rest are 55 grade (they also grade Jett at 55).
is there anyone on this list other than holliday who you would definitely take over jett? brooks lee / carson williams look like the first guys im not that tempted to take over jett.
It's hard to say because it's more scouting than scouting the stat line/age. If we're going by that then Jett should probably be in the top 20 at this point. His height is causing the disconnect though I'd say. I'd have to look back at Altuve and Pedroia and Bregmann numbers and rankings to see how they were treated and numbers they put up.
Who is your
1. Biggest prospect bust of '23
2. Biggest riser of '23
3. Favorite "my guy"
4. Guy you're much lower on than the consensus
5. A guy outside the Top 200 who can be Top 50 after next season.
6. A guy you talked up that crashed in '23
Jarrett Seidler
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1.) Brett Baty
2.) uhhh Tyler Stuart I guess?
3.) Marco Vargas
4.) Kevin Parada
5.) Jeremy Rodriguez
6.) also Brett Baty
yeah just browsing statlines i dont think theres a reasonable case for jett in the top 4 until he performs well at AA. that's just too big of a box checked.
carson williams 31% k-rate at A+ this year though, that's where you can start poking some holes.
Who is your
1. Biggest prospect bust of '23
2. Biggest riser of '23
3. Favorite "my guy"
4. Guy you're much lower on than the consensus
5. A guy outside the Top 200 who can be Top 50 after next season.
6. A guy you talked up that crashed in '23
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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1.) Brett Baty
2.) uhhh Tyler Stuart I guess?
3.) Marco Vargas
4.) Kevin Parada
5.) Jeremy Rodriguez
6.) also Brett Baty
1. Biggest prospect bust of '23 - Alex Ramirez
2. Biggest riser of '23 - Tie between Stuart and Scott but that's now complicated with injuries
3. Favorite "my guy" - Jacob Reimer
4. Guy you're much lower on than the consensus - Mauricio
5. A guy outside the Top 200 who can be Top 50 after next season. - Is Tidwell top 200? Probably so I'll go Ronald Hernandez
6. A guy you talked up that crashed in '23 - Baty at MLB level
1. Biggest prospect bust of '23 - Alex Ramirez
2. Biggest riser of '23 - Christian Scott
3. Favorite "my guy" - Jett Williams (I know it's kind BSs because he's arguably their top prospect but I've been team Jett since pre-draft! Otherwise Jesus Baez bad 2023 and all
4. Guy you're much lower on than the consensus - Parada
5. A guy outside the Top 200 who can be Top 50 after next season. - Ziegler/Hernandez
6. A guy you talked up that crashed in '23 - Alex Ramirez
short version, vientos hits the ball harder, baty more polished.
baty has 5x as many attempts at 3b as vientos, so their defense by rate is comparable.
interesting that they both have graded poorly coming in on balls but baty grades better going toward 3b while vientos grades better going toward 1b.
at first in very sss vientos graded out well.
both players clearly have talent, mets need to do a better job of judging and developing guys like this or else someone else will just like the west coast mets (SFG) have while mets had to overpay for replacement level players.
Paid
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MILB August K-BB% leaders(min 75 bf)
Drew Thorpe, NYY: 35.9%
Sammy Natera Jr, LAA: 31.6
Ricardo Yan, ARI: 31.6
Jose Fleury, HOU: 30.9
Joe Boyle, OAK: 30.2
Eric Cerantola, KC: 30
Robert Gasser, MIL: 29.5
Owen Murphy, ATL: 29.2
Joander Suarez, NYM: 29.1
i think martino made a comment around the trade deadline that steve cohen and stearns were going to meet just as happened with theo epstein and see if they click with each other, but specifically mentioned it would happen in september. not sure if that's a point when stearns contract is technically considered ended or what. his deal has always seemed unique and this year he obviously wasn't full time.
the way the mets are acting they seem to have some candidates identified for POBO as opposed to another wide ranging search from square 1.
he loves Theo and he's always loved Piazza, so is itching for a reason to become a Mets fan.
he loves Theo and he's always loved Piazza, so is itching for a reason to become a Mets fan.
i honestly never considered it since it didnt happen 2 years ago but this article from martino was kind of shocking to me a couple months ago because i dont remember the theo/mets rumors feeling inevitable 2 years ago, i remember it feeling like a long shot.
if you are cohen, and you went through all the pains of other owners blocking interviews and all the money spent to not yet get a single playoff win, i feel like i'd think back often on the lunch with the guy who wins championships everywhere and wonder if maybe it's worth another try if it was a real possibility.
that said looking back on martino's recent article, the bold seems notable re stearns given the recent FO reshuffling. not sure why martino would speculate august/september if he didnt have some kind of explicit info since the common understanding re stearns is that he's under contract.
The same sense of external inevitability has now affixed itself to Cohen and David Stearns, the former president of baseball operations for the team currently in town playing the Mets, the Milwaukee Brewers. The two will probably meet for the first time in August or September, and then decide if they want another conversation.
On the Mets' future -- Billy Eppler, Max Scherzer, Steve Cohen and more - ( New Window )
Cohen IIRC termed it as a phone call with Theo not an interview and he was very complimentary of him.
My stance is I would do it. the Wilpons maintained an ownership interest I believe (with Saul Katz) so why not give Theo an ownership interest in his comp package - contingent on winning a title.
Win a title you get 1%, something like that.
Which if the Mets are valued at $3B (I have no idea what it is now, when Cohen bought the team I think it was $2.4B), that gives Theo $30M (in ownership equity) to win a title - plus whatever his other comp is. I think Cohen should do that and I think Theo should too.
Other sports do it.
The Lightning gave Steve Yzerman ownership points to become GM. When/if he left (and he did) there was a clause the majority owner had the option to buy the ownership stake back at a preset price.
It's really up to the owner, your and my opinions are valid as our opinions, but irrelevant.
Other sports do it.
The Lightning gave Steve Yzerman ownership points to become GM. When/if he left (and he did) there was a clause the majority owner had the option to buy the ownership stake back at a preset price.
It's really up to the owner, your and my opinions are valid as our opinions, but irrelevant.
It's hardly ever done anywhere around the world for a reason. Answer should be a clear no. The Mets are an extremely valuable asset. Nobody gets a piece of it. Do the job & get paid handsomely for it. That's it.
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I guess.
Other sports do it.
The Lightning gave Steve Yzerman ownership points to become GM. When/if he left (and he did) there was a clause the majority owner had the option to buy the ownership stake back at a preset price.
It's really up to the owner, your and my opinions are valid as our opinions, but irrelevant.
It's hardly ever done anywhere around the world for a reason. Answer should be a clear no. The Mets are an extremely valuable asset. Nobody gets a piece of it. Do the job & get paid handsomely for it. That's it.
Again, it's not up to you or me.
I can see both sides to it.
If you get the right FO person and they lead the franchise to a championship (or many) the value of the franchise increases (a lot in some cases), why not let them share in that?
If as an owner winning is the priority and money is secondary I can see it making sense for both parties.
You cannot. And that's cool, but neither of us is an owner and it's not up to us.
“ In essence, these moves could represent the first collaboration between general manager Billy Eppler and an incoming president of baseball operations like David Stearns, who remains an active possibility but not a certainty to join the Mets, according to league sources.”
So unless Martino is completely out of the loop, this sounds like a whole lot of nothing.
“Owner Steve Cohen retains trust in Eppler to make major decisions, as evidenced by these firings. No matter who the Mets hire as POBO, Eppler will remain a trusted, high-ranking voice in Cohen’s organization.
Still, the Mets will not replace the employees let go this week until the POBO situation is resolved -- namely, if Cohen, Stearns and Eppler decide to work together. Then that group will identify incoming heads of player development and pro scouting.
Part of the reason for executing the moves in late August was to provide the departing employees time to talk to other clubs while still under contract.
For now, player development will be run by committee, with assistant director of player development Andrew Christie and director of minor league operations Ronny Reyes continuing in influential roles, sources said.“
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We have claimed RHP Peyton Battenfield off waivers from Cleveland and optioned him to Triple-A Syracuse.
Seidler
“ If you believe he’s been successfully reset you probably shouldn’t be sitting him in game 2 of the new era against a righty with typical splits”
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if they arent playing him and vientos every day why did they bother calling him back up. dj stewart and vogelbach don't need to play every day, baty playing some LF in real games shouldnt be off the table if they want to see vientos at 3b.
Seidler
“ If you believe he’s been successfully reset you probably shouldn’t be sitting him in game 2 of the new era against a righty with typical splits”
it's insanity. dj stewart and vogelbach have earned playing time but they dont both need to be in there every day. pick 1 of them, play baty whereve the open spot is. this is not rocket science.
https://twitter.com/SNY_Mets/status/1698123998343705054?s=20 - ( New Window )
Good start? He's 3/18 with 9 k's in Bing lol
93-94 on his FB, throwing 4 pitches, seems worth filing away for next season.
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@AnthonyDiComo
Starling Marte (groin) said he hopes to play again this year after working with a physical therapist who has helped Tiger Woods and Sidney Crosby.
If he doesn't continue to progress, however, Marte may need to reprise the same surgery he underwent last November all over again.
3-3 3 run homer
Francys Romero
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@francysromeroFR
Cuban 3B Alejandro Cruz (16) left the country and will seek to sign with an MLB team, per sources.
Cruz was Cuba's third baseman in the U-15 World Cup 2022. Excellent arm, speed/hitting combo.
I ranked Cruz as the #3 prospect of 2023 on my list of the best 25 U-15 players.
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Well, when you pitch 6 no-hit innings and strike out 6 in your Double-A debut, you're going to get some love! 🔥
@MiLB
has named
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Joander Suarez the Eastern League Pitcher Of The Week
@BKCyclones
and Jersey Shore are now an identical 34-26 this half, tied for the division lead (and playoff spot). Brooklyn's final 6 games are against Wilmington (last place in the SAL North) JS finishes up with Hudson Valley (4th place). Ventura on the mound tonight
Looks like Reimer just got back from 7 day injured list so that's good.
Looks like Reimer just got back from 7 day injured list so that's good.
One of his parents passed away (which is why he was moved to the inactive list), unclear what has happened since then.
in a way it's not the worst thing in a year with a lot of options. i assume at least a few of them didnt forget how to pitch or see their stuff regress. smart teams will find the ones who were unlucky and perhaps get a discount.
it's easier to overpay for past performance when recent past performance demands it. contracts are most tied to past performance even though team is looking for future performance. in normal years im sure the best bets for the future overlap with whoever had a good statistical year and then that player gets the biggest contract. this year will likely be more of a difficult to predict market.
i know we would prefer to not give up the cost of QO, but it also may create a less competitive market for whoever the right pitcher is. the most important thing is getting right whoever the next wheeler/gausman is.
Little to no risk for the Phillies. A team will likely give him a multi-year deal and if they don't and he comes back for 1 year with a 4 million dollar raise, so be it. FA SP market suddenly doesn't look all that great.
Yamamoto in his own category as presumably only so many teams will be on his wishlist.
Won't even bother considering Kershaw as a FA. Here are the "top" names Stroman, Snell, Morton (he's not leaving ATL), Rodriguez, Montgomery, Lynn (awful season), Lorenzen, Giolito (very poor season, trending the wrong way). I think Nola is a 100% lock barring late season injury.
i wouldnt hate buying low on giolito.
nola was 4th in CY last year so he is interesting bc if he'd have followed that up with another good year he would have been looking at a massive deal. now with the QO who knows?
a lot of it is homers and his expected homers are 4 fewer than actual even though he's allowed harder contact. he has gotten barreled up 2% more this year than career which is significant, but also only a difference in 2/100 total events. i wouldn't be surprised if he ends up back to PHI on a 1 year deal to try to hit the market free next year or if someone gambles $150m for 5 years on him hoping they got a discount on what he would have been worth coming off a CY year.
i dont care which 2 sp they choose, with however much $ they've spent on adding bodies in the FO just get it right.
@CamineroCrush
Most batted balls of 110 mph or greater, 2023:
Acuña Jr- 61
Ohtani- 47
Vlad Jr- 41
Stanton- 39
JUNIOR CAMINERO- 35 (age 19 season!!)
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I retract this statement, Acuna (listed as a member of the Rangers) was named Best Baserunner in the Texas League (not the fastest). I admittedly didn't think to look there #Mets
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Laughable with Jett.
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@BaseballAmerica updated top 100 prospects Acuna #60 Gilbert #81 Clifford #92 Jett Williams #93
Laughable with Jett.
BA tends to be more "traditional" with its scouting emphasizing body type like you are selling jeans or searching for Fabio. Jett Williams lack of size and loud tools knock him down.
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We have placed RHP Paul Skenes on the Development List and will not pitch again this season.
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@BaseballAmerica updated top 100 prospects Acuna #60 Gilbert #81 Clifford #92 Jett Williams #93
Laughable with Jett.
BA tends to be more "traditional" with its scouting emphasizing body type like you are selling jeans or searching for Fabio. Jett Williams lack of size and loud tools knock him down.
I understand that and commented as such in this thread but still makes it a bit of a joke. I think Jett was 98 coming into this year by BA and with the season he's having/graduations he's only moved up 5 spots?
Vientos DH
Alvarez C
Baty 3B
Mauricio 2B
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Broken finger
Who would wanna sign him next season at all? Guy's toast.
@timbhealey
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Carlos Carrasco broke his pinky finger Sunday when a 50-pound dumbbell fell on it, Buck Showalter said. He had surgery on it.
@AnthonyDiComo
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Edwin Díaz (recovery from knee surgery) is with the Mets in Washington and tentatively scheduled to travel with them the rest of the way. He has two bullpens scheduled this road trip, and the Mets want him to throw those in front of Jeremy Hefner and the training staff.
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Low back tightness.
@Britt_Ghiroli
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Low back tightness.
DL him and call up McIlwain so we can see him! Or dump Arauz.
Perozo 3-5 2B, 3B
Lara 1-3 SB, 2 walks
Clifford 1-3 HR, K
Tidwell got bombed in Bing and had an inning where his velocity dropped. Something to monitor.
Clifford 1-3 HR, K
Tidwell got bombed in Bing and had an inning where his velocity dropped. Something to monitor.
From DeMayo
He let up back-to-back home runs in the 4th on fastballs clocked on stadium gun at 91 and 92. Trainer came and visited but Tidwell stayed in and velo was back for next batter before being removed
from 8/18
"Update on off the record .. Scott got some good news. They sent him for second opinion to be sure and there is a shot he avoids surgery"
from 8/18
"Update on off the record .. Scott got some good news. They sent him for second opinion to be sure and there is a shot he avoids surgery"
Great news!!!
id imagine we will see cohen give some people from the houston and milwaukee FOs some healthy raises in the next couple months.
talk about an area ripe for cohen to spend a relatively insignificant sum of money (10-20m) in an effort to make himself look like robin hood while strengthening his organization.
the article makes a really good point though about how impossible it is to judge young FO members. if it takes 5-10 years to judge draft picks, it takes that long to judge a young scout/analyst. unless you are someone like david stearns who worked with them 10 years ago in HOU or 5 years ago in MIL.
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it's crazy he's still only 38 now, so the league office hired him when he was 23, cleveland hired him as a director when he was about 26, and a year later at 27 luhnow hired him as a special asst. so he seems to have been a star in the making to everyone he came in contact the entire period before milwaukee made him the youngest GM in mlb at 30, which was only 8 years after graduating harvard.
as someone who was always a little luke warm on his inclusion at the same tier as beane/theo as we've had a year or so to look deeper expecting this possibility, the more you dig the more there is to like.
i think dunn, ginn, allan, and peterson each made lists but almost certainly accurate that they were consensus.
swr i think may have been consensus after getting traded to TOR, but when peterson is far and away the best outcome in almost a decade that's nothing to brag about.
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Since 1900, a total of 17 rookie pitchers have reached 200 strikeouts.
Three are NPB veterans.
3. Hideo Nomo, 236
7. Yu Darvish, 221
16. Daisuke Matsuzaka, 201
The Mets' Kodai Senga is 24 strikeouts away from joining the 200 club.
when i was on the mets fo directory the other day i notice ricco is still there as svp/chief of staff. i think he was another guy stearns mentioned being fond of from his met days.
when i was on the mets fo directory the other day i notice ricco is still there as svp/chief of staff. i think he was another guy stearns mentioned being fond of from his met days.
Omar was brought back by Cohen as an "ambassador" before the Yankees gave him a real job so it doesn't appear to be anything personal (and there were rumblings for years Sandy/Omar weren't besties, might have been as simple as that)
"After billionaire owner Steve Cohen took over in Nov. 2020, Minaya was fired from the front office but came back as ambassador for the team in a role he described as marketing and outreach."
Doubtful Cohen/Omar have any issues as Omar is close with Cohen's wife and father in-law and again, he was brought back after being fired.
@MBrownstein89
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Jett Williams over his last 67 games dating back to June 13th:
.307/.461/.548, 1.009 OPS
15 2B, 5 3B, 10 HR, 62 BB/58 SO, 35 RBI
24-for-25 in stolen bases
@Metsmerized
#Mets #LGM
New York was clear when it took the former Oklahoma State star in the third round that it planned to let him play two ways to begin his Minor League career. He’s done that so far, showing off loud tools on both sides of the ball. He’s already touched 97.5 mph in his first pitching appearance while mixing in a low-90s slider and a low-80s curveball for Single-A St. Lucie, and his first hit was a 102 mph rocket for a homer in the FCL. McLean still projects best on the bump, but the raw power might earn him a few more at-bats as he climbs toward Queens.
New York was clear when it took the former Oklahoma State star in the third round that it planned to let him play two ways to begin his Minor League career. He’s done that so far, showing off loud tools on both sides of the ball. He’s already touched 97.5 mph in his first pitching appearance while mixing in a low-90s slider and a low-80s curveball for Single-A St. Lucie, and his first hit was a 102 mph rocket for a homer in the FCL. McLean still projects best on the bump, but the raw power might earn him a few more at-bats as he climbs toward Queens.
The blurb is kind of funny mentioning his "first" hit. He has 1 hit, 1/7 with 5 k's. No issue with them letting him DH for now but he's almost certainly a full-time P soonish.
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With one more walk, @BKCyclones
shortstop Jett Williams will become the first teenager in @MiLB
to reach the century mark in free passes since the stat portal began in 2005.
Williams enters Thursday tied for 3rd in MiLB in walks with 99.
Junior Santos as a RP 19.2 innings 19 hits 8 walks 15 k's 3.38 era. Obviously, not eye-popping but far improved
Parada 1-4,HR, K
Jackson 1-3, 2b, K
Acuna 1-2, 2b, BB
@FCLMets
and headed the opposite direction Franklin Gomez and Andinson Ferrer
Low to mid 90's FB, good slider, the knock on him was always command and lack of an average 3rd pitch but he's always been a "could be a legit prospect". He's not suddenly some big-time ace or something but quite the run.
@pgammo
As several organizational changes hit the Mets yesterday, the feeling with those remaining is the new President of Baseball Operations will be named within two weeks.
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would imagine if the mets are going to make an announcement "within 2 weeks" it will be early next week and not on a friday but would also think if it's typical contractual/hr stuff getting finalized they'd want that stuff done before the last minute of an official pr announcement so maybe we get some more reports leaking out in the next few days?
the reports earlier this week re 'talks accelerating' and 'moving towards a deal' read like finalizing contracts/background checks type stuff.
Huge win for BK Jett 2-4, 2b, 2 k's
Ramirez 1-4, 3 k's (awful season)
Reimer 1-3, K
Wow. It's getting to the point that this guy is the Mets' #1 priority, not Ohtani.
Huge win for BK Jett 2-4, 2b, 2 k's
Ramirez 1-4, 3 k's (awful season)
Reimer 1-3, K
Ramirez has a sub .230 OBP since August 1st. Not a typo
its too bad we didnt get a few weeks of jett, gilbert, acuna, parada altogether. maybe midseason next year if they can all get to AAA i guess.
as long as the D in CF is still good it should keep him relevant in at least a lagares/mdd sort of way. plus D in CF is a carrying tool that will give him 2-3 years more development time with the bat that others wouldn't get.
more raw power than the mdd/lagares types too right? even at the big league level with proven players it seems like sometimes guys need a bad season as a wake up call that talent isnt everything.
id imagine in ramirez' case now seeing a depth chart of cf'ers above him like gilbert, maybe jett/acuna, has some kind of impact on him. even mcillwain in the sense that just last year he started at A+ now he's on verge of the 40 man.
hopefully ramirez has the right kind of reaction to the new reality of his situation and he realizes he needs to step up for his spot.
right it's fewer xbh. last year in brookly in half the games he had 23 xbh, this year he has 29 in twice as many games. that is almost the entire difference.
a positive way of looking at that is his entire regression was fewer than 20 batted balls having a different outcome. there could have been a few more hard hit balls that fielders caught, which the babip would indicate is possible.
his line drive rate went down and the flyball rate went up so maybe he was trying to hit more homers? he also went to CF more and pulled the ball less, which should impacts exit velocity negatively because pull side is going to be harder contact for most. more infield flyballs is a negative across the board. if we had full batted ball data id be curious to see if there were more 350foot 100mph+ flyball outs, especially to CF. it may have been his approach was wrong and he wasted mistakes where he made good contact but just hit the ball to places he doesnt have enough power to capitalize on.
really looking forward to exit velo throughout all the levels but looking at the batted ball %'s id guess his exit velo went down a little bit and he'd be better off finding a way to hit more line drives again.
Part of those drops was better prospects coming in from trades above him - but yes generally any prospect who has a bad season is going to drop, it’s always a question of degree and whether or not something fundamental happened that lowers value (like a position switch).
And now his 100th walk of the season! Now the second teenager to hit that mark since 2005. Termarr Johnson did it a few days ago. Elite prospect.
Yup. Hit a bomb. Was talking to a writer and one of the "concerns" is that he has absolutely maxed out his exit velocities in terms of his power production. Some players do have an ability do this apparently, Bregman oddly being the example I was given. I'm admittedly Jett fan #1 but it was explained to me that players perceived to be "maxing out" their tools (or a specific tool) in the lower minors will sometimes get a "side eye" from the community. He agreed if Williams were 5'10 he'd get more "love" but that's tied into what I said above.
If they don’t land a top-six pick, the Mets will be 17th at best. They cannot get into the Nos. 7-16 range.
All this is relevant for money reasons, too. Each slot in the draft comes with a “slot value,” or a recommended signing bonus. The amount of cash a club can commit to draft picks is capped based on these slot values.
The No. 6 pick in the draft this year, for example, came with a slot value of $6.63 million. That is a huge number.
The No. 17 pick came with a slot value of $4.17 million.
Those numbers tick up each year, but getting into the top six basically would allow the Mets to spend an additional $2.5 million — at least — to bring high-level talent into their farm system.
If they don’t land a top-six pick, the Mets will be 17th at best. They cannot get into the Nos. 7-16 range.
All this is relevant for money reasons, too. Each slot in the draft comes with a “slot value,” or a recommended signing bonus. The amount of cash a club can commit to draft picks is capped based on these slot values.
The No. 6 pick in the draft this year, for example, came with a slot value of $6.63 million. That is a huge number.
The No. 17 pick came with a slot value of $4.17 million.
Those numbers tick up each year, but getting into the top six basically would allow the Mets to spend an additional $2.5 million — at least — to bring high-level talent into their farm system.
Thanks again for this Dan. It really is the key to getting talent this season. Hope the NYM tank these meaningless games and avoid those penalties.
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This matters more for the Mets than for other clubs because of those luxury-tax penalties. Because their major-league payroll this year is (way) more than $40 million over the first level of the tax, they will get docked 10 spots for their first draft selection next year. But again, the top six choices are protected, tax penalties or no tax penalties.
If they don’t land a top-six pick, the Mets will be 17th at best. They cannot get into the Nos. 7-16 range.
All this is relevant for money reasons, too. Each slot in the draft comes with a “slot value,” or a recommended signing bonus. The amount of cash a club can commit to draft picks is capped based on these slot values.
The No. 6 pick in the draft this year, for example, came with a slot value of $6.63 million. That is a huge number.
The No. 17 pick came with a slot value of $4.17 million.
Those numbers tick up each year, but getting into the top six basically would allow the Mets to spend an additional $2.5 million — at least — to bring high-level talent into their farm system.
Thanks again for this Dan. It really is the key to getting talent this season. Hope the NYM tank these meaningless games and avoid those penalties.
It would be HUGE to have the pick protected vs. move down
Dayum. This kid might be up with the big club in 2025 at this rate. My guess would be that they hold him off till 26 though cuz of the glut they've got. Kid is for real.
this could look really stupid but i think he's a bit overrated. his k-rate has increased every level in the minors, almost 30% in AAA this year. his AAA ops was 829, wrc was 105.
his .271 batting average is fine, but supported by a .368 babip. mauricio was hitting .293 with a .323 babip. mauricios AAA ops was 852 with a 108 wrc. we know mauricio has elite ev so it's hard for me to say that a 368 babip is explainable by that.
mauricio is a year older so this isn't exactly apples to apples, and obviously there is a value on very good defense in CF. but i think PCA's trend would lead me to guess that his bat has some struggles adjusting to the big leagues similar to what we've seen from the 3 prospects whose bats were all on a similar level and if anything more accomplished. the bat to ball skills that have so far given mauricio the best transition are more similar to the mets prior call ups.
obviously having 5 high end young guys would be better than 4 but other than the ability to play CF it's hard for me to pick something out from PCA beyond what the other 4 have, and as we've seen breaking in 3 or 4 young guys is hard enough.
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called up by Cubs. What I wouldnt do right now to have him penciled in as the OD 2024 CF.
this could look really stupid but i think he's a bit overrated. his k-rate has increased every level in the minors, almost 30% in AAA this year. his AAA ops was 829, wrc was 105.
his .271 batting average is fine, but supported by a .368 babip. mauricio was hitting .293 with a .323 babip. mauricios AAA ops was 852 with a 108 wrc. we know mauricio has elite ev so it's hard for me to say that a 368 babip is explainable by that.
mauricio is a year older so this isn't exactly apples to apples, and obviously there is a value on very good defense in CF. but i think PCA's trend would lead me to guess that his bat has some struggles adjusting to the big leagues similar to what we've seen from the 3 prospects whose bats were all on a similar level and if anything more accomplished. the bat to ball skills that have so far given mauricio the best transition are more similar to the mets prior call ups.
obviously having 5 high end young guys would be better than 4 but other than the ability to play CF it's hard for me to pick something out from PCA beyond what the other 4 have, and as we've seen breaking in 3 or 4 young guys is hard enough.
His bat will play with his 80 grade D. Look at the play he made tonight already. He isn't going to be a huge power guy but he'll hit enough.
knowing nimmo should be good in CF from now until gilbert/acuna/jett arrive, would you trade with certainty any of the mets 4 rookies for him?
for me definitely not alvarez. the other 3 are all maybes that would depend on whether or not i believed (or didnt) in their off field makeups.
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knowing nimmo should be good in CF from now until gilbert/acuna/jett arrive, would you trade with certainty any of the mets 4 rookies for him?
for me definitely not alvarez. the other 3 are all maybes that would depend on whether or not i believed (or didnt) in their off field makeups. https://x.com/M_Montemurro/status/1701762706540220695?s=20 - ( New Window )
That's fair and I really just want him in the system still as he never should have been dealt as we know. Nimmo wasn't as good in CF this year and having PCA in CF and Nimmo in a corner looks better to me. He should have been another piece in the puzzle.
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with the glove he'll be a big leaguer and prob a regular. my point isn't to knock him as a prospect, just saying i dont see him on some different level from the guys they have. the glove is better than the 3 non-alvarez and the bat is probably behind all 4.
knowing nimmo should be good in CF from now until gilbert/acuna/jett arrive, would you trade with certainty any of the mets 4 rookies for him?
for me definitely not alvarez. the other 3 are all maybes that would depend on whether or not i believed (or didnt) in their off field makeups. https://x.com/M_Montemurro/status/1701762706540220695?s=20 - ( New Window )
That's fair and I really just want him in the system still as he never should have been dealt as we know. Nimmo wasn't as good in CF this year and having PCA in CF and Nimmo in a corner looks better to me. He should have been another piece in the puzzle.
no real disagreement there i just think there's some revisionism with the trade. in '21 they had those big 4, plus allen/ginn. PCA was out with shoulder surgery and basically pre-debut. they were sitting in first place hoping to get syndergaard/jdg back for playoffs.
to get a good player at the deadline you are usually giving up a top 7 prospect, they got a good player just not the right good player. and obviously they gave up on the wrong prospect way too soon. sort of evened out when they got bassitt for ginn though since he seems like a total bust. but again apparently targeted the wrong "good player" since they didnt bring bassitt back for whatever reason.
hopefully stearns brings some coherence to choosing the right guys going forward. that was something he was pretty good at in milwaukee. yelich was one of the right guys.
Eric Cross
@EricCross04
Wyatt Langford hit another HR yesterday and is now up to 7 HR and 8 SB in 34 G with a .342/.457/.659 slash line and more walks (26) than strikeouts (23).
He's my #2 overall prospect and I'm tempted to put him #1 overall.
5-cat stud.
@MBrownstein89
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Jett Williams' last 80 games:
.298/.452/.542, .994 OPS
17 2B, 7 3B, 12 HR, 73 BB, 39 RBI
30-for-32 in stolen bases
@Metsmerized
#Mets #LGM
Perfect 2 k’s
Perfect 2 k’s
2 perfect 4 k’s. He’s my #1 P prospect in the system and has been if the elbow holds up…
57. Luisangel Acuña
78. Drew Gilbert
89. Ryan Clifford
90. Jett Williams
99. Ronny Mauricio
57. Luisangel Acuña
78. Drew Gilbert
89. Ryan Clifford
90. Jett Williams
99. Ronny Mauricio
Mauricio is now on 2 of the 3 requisite top 100 lists to be eligible for PPI in 2024. He has to remain on 2/3 until the end of ST
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57. Luisangel Acuña
78. Drew Gilbert
89. Ryan Clifford
90. Jett Williams
99. Ronny Mauricio
Mauricio is now on 2 of the 3 requisite top 100 lists to be eligible for PPI in 2024. He has to remain on 2/3 until the end of ST
Nice. You'd have to think that with his performance thus far he will stick.
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I like Clifford very much. That said, he is like Alonso: a 1 1/2 tool guy. Power a major plus tool. Hit an average tool.
Jett should be ranked much higher, and I am in agreement 100% with Dan on his contention that Jett is the top prospect in the Mets system, particularly after his performance this year. Jett could conceivably be a Biggio-type
Both tall LH bats. Clifford doesn't have the weight. Like Duda, Clifford likely to hit in the .230s, with plenty of walks and high K totals, with a lot of power. Both 1B/corner OF.
And to my point, I'd comp Jett to Biggio. Likely won't see the power binge Biggio saw in the steroid era, but would expect some very similar seasons to those Biggio had in the first half of his career. Again, should certainly be ranked higher than Clifford
491 minor league pitchers have thrown at least 80 innings in 2023... Christian Scott's K/BB% is 1/491 28.4% and his FIP is also 1/491 (2.32). Again, I get that he's 24... he's not 30! He's a little older. Really ridiculous how little attention he gets
Both tall LH bats. Clifford doesn't have the weight. Like Duda, Clifford likely to hit in the .230s, with plenty of walks and high K totals, with a lot of power. Both 1B/corner OF.
And to my point, I'd comp Jett to Biggio. Likely won't see the power binge Biggio saw in the steroid era, but would expect some very similar seasons to those Biggio had in the first half of his career. Again, should certainly be ranked higher than Clifford
Posted this the other day but I spoke with somebody influential with one of this major lists (and as you know I'm a Jett fanboy) his height is obviously part of the reason he's underrated but another is his exit velocities are not outstanding and there is a feeling his power tool is pretty maxed out. There are players who "find a way" despite this and an example given was Alex Bregman
Bregman averages 20+ homers per season despite EV/barrel% (percentiles) 2023 36th%/20th, 2022 48%/46, 2021 43/29
Altuve's first 3 full MLB seasons though: 7 HR, 5 HR, and 7 HR. So you never really fully know what type of power a player will develop
I understand that. I know of no bigger Jett fan than you. You are to Jett what Eric is to Vientos (hope both of you are right)
If I appear to be arguing, it's certainly not against the messenger
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no way am I crapping on Jett Williams, rather it's a talking point regarding the kind of player he is.
I understand that. I know of no bigger Jett fan than you. You are to Jett what Eric is to Vientos (hope both of you are right)
If I appear to be arguing, it's certainly not against the messenger
Oh not at all. The person I was speaking to brought up Bregman as an "outlier" who makes it work, so I was curious and it does seem at least if we are talking just about this one very specific facet that Bregman has "made it work". I thought for sure I'd see extreme home/road HR splits as well (Crawford boxes) but no... since 2020 he's hit 33 homers at home/31 on the road. He must (and this may well be something Jett does/can do) knows when to use his pull side power and when do use the whole field for singles/doubles etc.
I wouldn't be shocked if Jett gets a cup of coffee next year like Mauricio, ready to go for 2025. Top of the order by mid-season hopefully.
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I wouldn't hate seeing @mets
give Christian Scott a chance to start. Everything I've read suggested he maintained his velocity for multiple innings and that both the slider and CU "flash" why not? #Mets
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Maybe not the hottest of takes, but Christian Scott is a top 5 SP prospect in the system.
Daniel Wexler
@WexlerRules
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Jun 30, 2022
Most underrated performer in @mets
system this season (limited SSS for sure) is...Christian Scott u He now leads the organization in FIP (30+ innings) 2.64 and #2 in K/9 13.50. Considering he was a RP in college... interesting #Mets
@BKCyclones
Last night, five members of the 2023 Cyclones were selected in the Lidom Draft:
🔶 Felipe De La Cruz (7th Round)
🔷 Wilkin Ramos (9th Round)
🔶 Layonel Ovalles (12th Round)
🔷 Stanley Consuegra (14th Round)
🔶 Jordany Ventura (14th Round)
he started his a22 2016 in AA, the power surged and he hit 20 homers in 80 games at AA/AAA, got to the big leagues halfway through the year where he hit another 8, rest is history.
if we cut out Jett's numbers below A+ this year, he's closing in on 200 plate appearances. he has hit .300 with 19 total xbh, 7 being homers. 2 full years younger, showing more power, and having advanced to AA already, it's pretty hard to make any argument he shouldn't be ranked/rated better than bregman pre-2016 even though there's no guarantee he continues forward without any bumps in the road. right now he is ahead. bregman's age 19 freshman year was interesting enough was his highest ops year at LSU (963), and that's still a bit lower than Jett has done this year between A+/AA.
there is of course more to it than age/stats but we are talking about 2 players who were both high draft picks for a reason. looking back law had bregman as his 7th best prospect in 2015, jett was his 11th last year. bregman went 2nd overall but also almost 2m under slot.
it is very hard for me to imagine there are 30 more exciting prospects in mlb than jett right now.
.323/.412/.535 with 38 steals, 22 total k's. Unreal season. He's never been as good as he looked in 2018-2019 and we can hazard a guess why... but this is his 5th season with 4+ fWAR, almost seems like a post-hype underrated player at this point.
imagine this scenario:
next year jett pulls a hammy or has an oblique strain in ST, as happens all the time. or maybe he gets hit on the wrist and has a sore wrist he has to work through for a couple weeks. or maybe he gets whatever the new strain of covid is and loses 5 pounds of muscle in a week.
he plays through whatever the ailment is and with his ability to get on base he still posts an ops over 800 but all of a sudden his babip is down in a more normal range sub-.350, and just like his a ball numbers this year his batting average is back down around .250 with a little less power. maybe there's even a bad 2-3 weeks or month in there that qualifies as a legitimate slump. maybe he makes futures game midseason, maybe he doesnt.
is any of that crazy or is all of that pretty typical stuff that happens all the time in baseball? it's happened with each of alonso, mcneil, conforto, nimmo (and to varying degrees vientos, mauricio, alvarez, baty during their minor league careers).
we can all imagine what that would do to jett in next year's mid-season prospect rankings, as there are sure to be prospects elsewhere healthy and putting up big flashy numbers just like he is this year - many will be supported by big babip's over .350.
my point is prospect rankings are generally extreme with recency bias. i hope jett is one of the guys who is so good the arrow only ever points up. if he is he will be in the big leagues at age 20 next year. players that talented are few and far between though, so i would probably guess it's more likely he has some bumps next year even if they are highly influenced by bad luck. if he ends up going into his age 21 in the minors, that's still likely going to be a player we should be almost as excited about as we are now unless something fundamentally changes with his physical ability (i.e. a significant injury). thank you for coming to my ted talk.
Wow. He still would have been a better hire than BVW.
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Brett Baty is undergoing an MRI on his groin today. Danny Mendick is back in New York, but not active (yet). It appears the Mets are waiting on Baty news.
Separately, Ronny Mauricio is recovering from his illness and potentially available off the bench. He should be back Friday.
Regarding the traffic jam of position players, I'm very interested to see if the Mets make a deal. Too many prospects is never a problem, but I have a feeling they make a deal this offseason. Either for a young, cost-controlled SP or a guy like Soto (and sign him to a 12 year extension)
@SNYtv
Edwin Diaz is on the Citi Field mound throwing this afternoon
Raw deal in Boston. I think I'm going senile. Still, same point. #hirebloom
A lot of the other top teams have stacked front offices full of senior guys. Bloom was a senior guy in Tampa and having access to everything he learned there (as well as his scouting methods) would be a sweet add.
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How did he get a raw deal?
He botched the Betts trade and the Bogaerts negotiations (depending who you ask). and those are/were two potential franchise altering moves.
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the Mets should hire him to a senior position roughly on par with where Eppler is at. IMO, he got a bit of a raw deal in Baltimore and he'd be a really asset for the Mets. Unless he gets another head job (unlikely) have to imagine that the Mets comp offer would be better than anywhere else.
How did he get a raw deal?
He botched the Betts trade and the Bogaerts negotiations (depending who you ask). and those are/were two potential franchise altering moves.
also screwed us spending $300m on devers since he's probably eventually going to have to move off 3b.
i liked some of what chaim did in boston but he blew too many big decisions. he was kind of case in point in terms of what would kind of worry me about any potential blindspots with stearns. spending money is harder than it looks from small markets.
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the Mets should hire him to a senior position roughly on par with where Eppler is at. IMO, he got a bit of a raw deal in Baltimore and he'd be a really asset for the Mets. Unless he gets another head job (unlikely) have to imagine that the Mets comp offer would be better than anywhere else.
How did he get a raw deal?
He botched the Betts trade and the Bogaerts negotiations (depending who you ask). and those are/were two potential franchise altering moves.
Betts should have never been allowed to leave Boston in the first place. Should be asking why he was traded
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Joander Suarez since August 25th with Brooklyn & Binghamton:
🔵 3-0 in 4 starts
🟠 24.0 innings
🔵 4 Hits
🟠 0 Runs
🔵 6 Walks
🟠 25 strikeouts
Worth noting Peroza, Ritter, Cortes, MILwain are all Rule 5 eligible.
On that note-Haven't given it a deep dive a whole year out but Vasil, Hamel, Scott, Rudick, Lavender are all 2024 eligible off the top of my head
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Was promoted to AAA. Hit a HR in his debut yesterday. 2-4. I think we might have some depth/bench bats coming shortly where we won't have to waste a lot money in FA on those types of players. Cortes, McIlwain, Ritter, Peroza, Jordan all interesting.
Worth noting Peroza, Ritter, Cortes, MILwain are all Rule 5 eligible.
On that note-Haven't given it a deep dive a whole year out but Vasil, Hamel, Scott, Rudick, Lavender are all 2024 eligible off the top of my head
I forgot Rudick as well since he's out with the injury. I'll say they all have given the FO something to think about.
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Was promoted to AAA. Hit a HR in his debut yesterday. 2-4. I think we might have some depth/bench bats coming shortly where we won't have to waste a lot money in FA on those types of players. Cortes, McIlwain, Ritter, Peroza, Jordan all interesting.
Worth noting Peroza, Ritter, Cortes, MILwain are all Rule 5 eligible.
On that note-Haven't given it a deep dive a whole year out but Vasil, Hamel, Scott, Rudick, Lavender are all 2024 eligible off the top of my head
I forgot Rudick as well since he's out with the injury. I'll say they all have given the FO something to think about.
That's one thing I've been big on. No more paying the Escobars and Canhas and Narvaezs of the world $5-10 million each on the bench. (I know they were all bridges, but still). Would be nice to have a couple (or more) of those guys to become good bench players.
Hopefully guys like Gervase and Lavender can become good bullpen guys as well. Stearns really beefed up the bullpen, so would be nice if the Mets could start producing good homegrown bullpen guys
How high is the ceiling for Jett Williams. Could he be the next Altuve?
We received four questions about Mets shortstop/center fielder Jett Williams this week, which makes answering one an Inbox mandate. The 14th overall pick in the 2022 Draft out of a Texas high school, he has batted .265/.429/.458 with 13 homers and 44 steals while rising from Single-A to Double-A at age 19. He and fellow 2022 prep first-rounder Termarr Johnson (Pirates) are the first teenagers to draw 100 walks in a Minor League season since JD Closser in 1999 and the first to do so entirely in full-season ball since Mike Whitlock in 1996.
Williams, No. 3 on the Mets' Top 30 Prospects list and No. 78 on the Top 100, was a scout favorite in last year's Draft as a 5-foot-6, 175-pound dynamo who raked on the high school showcase circuit. He has good feel for the barrel, some sneaky power and at least plus speed. There are mixed reports on his arm, which earns fringy to solid grades, so there's some question as to whether he remains at shortstop or moves to second base or center.
While Williams is built along the lines of Altuve, he's a different type of player. Altuve made much more consistent contact in the Minors (11 percent strikeout rate versus 21 percent for Williams so far) and developed into a 25-30 homer guy, which is more than Williams will. But Williams does have a lofty ceiling as a potential on-base machine with 15-homer pop and more speed and defensive versatility than Altuve had at the same stage.
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Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
Mets hitting instruction has been so bad lately that all of their high exit velo guys have ended up with exorbitant ground ball rates and low pull rates for “taking what the pitcher gives you” (which is usually a groundout to a middle infielder) and doesn’t even improve contact
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every relatively good team at this has tried to optimize this class of hitter to take more pitches and try to pull in the air while trading some raw damage to do it, because hitting a ball 101 in the air to left is almost always better than 111 straight on the ground
Hard to ignore the GB% of Vientos/Baty and now Mauricio and even harder to believe it's not an organizational "issue".
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
Mets hitting instruction has been so bad lately that all of their high exit velo guys have ended up with exorbitant ground ball rates and low pull rates for “taking what the pitcher gives you” (which is usually a groundout to a middle infielder) and doesn’t even improve contact
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every relatively good team at this has tried to optimize this class of hitter to take more pitches and try to pull in the air while trading some raw damage to do it, because hitting a ball 101 in the air to left is almost always better than 111 straight on the ground
Hard to ignore the GB% of Vientos/Baty and now Mauricio and even harder to believe it's not an organizational "issue".
i think the ev the mets guys have makes this even crazier if it's true other orgs coach it differently, because i can guarantee other orgs dont all have a guy like vientos who can step into the big leagues and post a top 10 exit velo league wide from day - which he has done even dating back to last year.
if there are only 5 guys better than him in the big leagues id imagine there are only that many or less in the minors.
hard pass for me. always had a lot of swing and miss, alonso a much better investment over the next several years than any FA hitter.
id consider rolling the dice on arenado if a trade is cheap enough, and id want marte in there to offset short term $, but wouldnt give up any thing major because he's seemed to start taking some steps back.
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.212/.311/.381-.692 last 74 games played. Yikes
hard pass for me. always had a lot of swing and miss, alonso a much better investment over the next several years than any FA hitter.
id consider rolling the dice on arenado if a trade is cheap enough, and id want marte in there to offset short term $, but wouldnt give up any thing major because he's seemed to start taking some steps back.
Throw in the fact he'd cost 2 picks, pool money, IFA money, a large contract and will be 32 in 2025 (not saying they will punt 2024 at all but likely a bit of a transition year)...
Josh Norris 🐻
@jnorris427
#Yankees LHP Henry Lalane ranked as the No. 4 prospect in the FCL.
Having done some more calls on him, he has the potential to be one of best pitching prospects in the sport at this time next year.
Every review I get is *glowing*
Hurt his back sadly
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damn, I got him late in my fantasy baseball league, really late.
It's a keeper league, and I may keep him anyway, but would make me feel better (for fantasy baseball and real baseball) if he pitched a couple times this year (if he is healthy enough for it).
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Excited about him and Gervase next year. Hopefully those two and maybe Hartwig improving can give them a couple of homegrown relievers for once.
@SlangsOnSports
Juan Soto has a 153 OPS+ this season
he’s on pace to have a 5th qualified season with at least a 140 OPS+, tied for the most by a player thru age-24 season, with:
Mike Trout
Mickey Mantle
Jimmie Foxx
Ty Cobb
and in 2018, when he was 8 PA shy of qualifying? 142 OPS+
@SlangsOnSports
Juan Soto has a 153 OPS+ this season
he’s on pace to have a 5th qualified season with at least a 140 OPS+, tied for the most by a player thru age-24 season, with:
Mike Trout
Mickey Mantle
Jimmie Foxx
Ty Cobb
and in 2018, when he was 8 PA shy of qualifying? 142 OPS+
It seems like a quiet season too, did he get off to a slow start?
Sore leg for Parada
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Sarah Langs
@SlangsOnSports
Juan Soto has a 153 OPS+ this season
he’s on pace to have a 5th qualified season with at least a 140 OPS+, tied for the most by a player thru age-24 season, with:
Mike Trout
Mickey Mantle
Jimmie Foxx
Ty Cobb
and in 2018, when he was 8 PA shy of qualifying? 142 OPS+
It seems like a quiet season too, did he get off to a slow start?
He did. From 6/1 until now he's 11th in wRC+ (148)
Bonds
Trout
Mantle
Yordan Alvarez
Judge
McGwire
Frank Robinson
Dick Allen
Frank Thomas
Willie Mays
Hank Aaron
That's it.
He'd be just hitting his prime.
the only question is if it's better to spend $400m+ on soto or 200M on alonso. he's still only a corner OF so it's arguable where he's worth an extra $200m of value (plus whoever the prospect is).
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Bits from Buck Showalter:
* Brett Baty (left groin strain) is due to return to the lineup tomorrow
* Starling Marte is in PSL for likely simulated games; Mets still optimistic about return before season runs out
If the Mets are in fact all in, then sure, go for it - trade prospects, but if they don't plan to be major players in FA why not wait until after the season when he just costs money and you let Alonso walk (or trade him).
Is he eligible for a QO from SD after next season?
Either way, he rejected a 15-year $440M deal from WAS. Barring catastrophe, he is going to be the highest paid player in the league (in terms of biggest contract if not also AAV).
if soto is on the trade market they can't just wait until 2025 and hope to get him for free because whoever the padres trade him to is probably likely to extend him. the question is what do the padres look for? a prospect package or a win now player they can extend easier?
the best argument against soto if he's on the trade market is probably ohtani, who they could just as easily make the highest paid player in MLB while keeping all their prospects. ohtani is 5 years older and obviously the injury makes things a little more complex to figure out, and as unique as he is that contract was already complex. i do think the mets are going to go for ohtani and its probable the market to get him is less competitive with the injury.
ohtani is the only FA who I think would define the offseason as "all in", but i dont think the offseason is ohtani or bust.
If the Mets are in fact all in, then sure, go for it - trade prospects, but if they don't plan to be major players in FA why not wait until after the season when he just costs money and you let Alonso walk (or trade him).
Is he eligible for a QO from SD after next season?
Either way, he rejected a 15-year $440M deal from WAS. Barring catastrophe, he is going to be the highest paid player in the league (in terms of biggest contract if not also AAV).
He’s eligible for a QO from SD.
Scott pitched well. Jackson another HR.
Soto's 450m is going to be over 13-15 years because he is so young. if you signed him this offseason, the first 10 years of his deal will be under age 35. the nats offer was actually something like a 13 years 390m extension, and there were supposed deferments in there bringing that present day value down.
He's absolutely a lineup changing force like Judge. his ops this year is 910 and he has the same number of walks as strikeouts. judge's ops is about 50 points higher (not qualified below because of missed time). there are only 6 other qualified players better than soto and this season is actually 30 points below his career OPS.
acuna, betts, seager, olson are all under long term deals. freeman is signed through age 37.
the options for the mets adding an MVP level bat the next 2 years are Ohtani and Soto. both will cost 400m+ and set new records for total deal. if SD decides to trade soto then he probably doesn't hit the open market.
all of this is good backdrop for why it probably doesn't make sense to do anything except resign alonso because those 9 figs will almost def start with "2" and he's probably the 3rd best bat on list over the next 2 years. maybe the only other one with a legitimate MVP ceiling.
"Mike Lupica
@MikeLupica
Brian Snitker, manager of the best team in baseball, will turn 68 in October. Dusty Baker, whose team won the World Series last year, is 74. Buck Showalter is 67. You know what the Mets don’t need? A boy wonder manager. They already have one of the best managers in baseball."
I'm not interested in debating whether Buck should keep his job but the name most associated with the Mets job is 53 year old Craig Counsell, he of the 700 major league wins and 4 playoff appearances. The other name I've seen a lot recently is Pat Murphy. Murphy is 64 years old, was HC for Notre Dame/Arizona State for 20 seasons and a Brewers coach for the past 8. Where is anybody suggesting the Mets hire some random young person off the street? This seems like a specific effort for the media to help Buck keep his job.
i think buck has been a fine manager in a lot of ways, though not enough that he needs to keep his job, and i dont believe he's anti-analytics or a dinosaur with respect to his game strategy.
i do think he's a dinosaur with his devotion to veterans and clearly he wasnt on the same page with the fo this year. neither he nor the fo was on the right page either.
i think buck has been a fine manager in a lot of ways, though not enough that he needs to keep his job, and i dont believe he's anti-analytics or a dinosaur with respect to his game strategy.
i do think he's a dinosaur with his devotion to veterans and clearly he wasnt on the same page with the fo this year. neither he nor the fo was on the right page either.
Honestly, my only point is... oddly coordinated how in 3 days time 3 of Buck's old pals from the NY market felt the need to support keeping him and Lupica's case... strawman argument... where has anybody suggested the Mets hire some "boy wonder"? I haven't seen a name like that suggested a single time.
Sounds like Dolan (at some point) likely *considered* (past tense) bidding on @mets
(or making an offer for @Yankees
)
Alonso is asking for 10 years.
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and they shouldnt wipe him out just to wipe him out. but he has to fit with the direction stearns is going. if there is any concern he wont fit then they have to wipe him out.
i think buck has been a fine manager in a lot of ways, though not enough that he needs to keep his job, and i dont believe he's anti-analytics or a dinosaur with respect to his game strategy.
i do think he's a dinosaur with his devotion to veterans and clearly he wasnt on the same page with the fo this year. neither he nor the fo was on the right page either.
Honestly, my only point is... oddly coordinated how in 3 days time 3 of Buck's old pals from the NY market felt the need to support keeping him and Lupica's case... strawman argument... where has anybody suggested the Mets hire some "boy wonder"? I haven't seen a name like that suggested a single time.
it's just glad handing. writing a puff piece right now costs nothing but maybe it gets access for a good quote or 2 in the future whether he sticks with the mets or not.
they are looking for ideas on anything they can find right now because there's space to fill and the season has been over for almost 2 months.
"Mike Lupica
@MikeLupica
Brian Snitker, manager of the best team in baseball, will turn 68 in October. Dusty Baker, whose team won the World Series last year, is 74. Buck Showalter is 67. You know what the Mets don’t need? A boy wonder manager. They already have one of the best managers in baseball."
I'm not interested in debating whether Buck should keep his job but the name most associated with the Mets job is 53 year old Craig Counsell, he of the 700 major league wins and 4 playoff appearances. The other name I've seen a lot recently is Pat Murphy. Murphy is 64 years old, was HC for Notre Dame/Arizona State for 20 seasons and a Brewers coach for the past 8. Where is anybody suggesting the Mets hire some random young person off the street? This seems like a specific effort for the media to help Buck keep his job.
Of course it is. Buck was one of them and is calling in his favors. I actually prefer that he start the season next year with the Mets, but sans an extension. Counsell's taking the year off and will probably be back in action in 2025.
This is a perfect bridge situation. The Mets can't fire Buck and then hire a guy for a year only---unless it's really bad They'd lose out on CC that way. Best scenario is for Buck to at least start off the season with the team in the 3rd and final year of his deal. If he goes all ham by not playing the kids again, fire him and make Chavez the interim manager and hire CC for 2025.
P.S. Buck has a chance to be part of the Mets organization in some capacity going forward if he plays his cards right. That's not something he should sneeze at. He's a stubborn mule though, so it wouldn't surprise me. Mets need to take away his toys though (e.g., Vogelsnack) to prevent him from indulging himself.
@BKCyclones
Congratulations to Paul Gervase who has been named to the South Atlantic League All-Star Team after posting a 1.72 ERA with the Cyclones across 47.0 innings of relief. The former LSU Tiger struck out 76 in 47.0 innings. #AmazinStartsHere
Scott pitcher of the year
Rosa DSL player/Franklin Gomez DSL pitcher
Rhylan Thomas the OF GG from the Mets
@MetsPlayerDev
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The 2023 @Mets
Infield Gold Glove Award winner: William Lugo!
*All players nominated by me. I made this whole thing up. Thanks for reading!
Jett Williams, SS, New York Mets
Williams posted a .263/.425/.451 line as a 19-year-old in his first full pro season, going to the Mets with the 14th pick in the 2022 draft out of a Texas high school. He led all teenagers in the minors with 104 walks and was second in OBP only behind Holliday. He did all this with just a 22 percent strikeout rate on the year, although I suppose a little bit of that plate discipline comes from having such a small strike zone, as Williams is listed at 5-foot-6. As long as he continues to hit the ball reasonably hard, that on-base skill will continue to play.
Christian Scott, RHP, New York Mets
Scott had an injury-plagued 2022 season where he made just nine starts and nine relief appearances, throwing 58 2/3 innings, and never really found his slider after showing a promising one in 2021 at the University of Florida. He started 2023 in the injured list, and during the rehab the Mets helped him work to generate more of his velocity from his lower half, after which he took off, with a 2.57 ERA in 87 2/3 innings, about two-thirds of that coming in Double A, while cutting his walk rate by more than half from the year before, all the way to just 3.6 percent. His velocity held firm while his slider was much better, probably still more of an above-average pitch than a plus one but enough to get right-handers out more effectively than he had the year before. The Mets have tried to convert several college relievers to starting and Scott looks like the most promising one of the group.
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Luisangel Acuña is in the lineup tonight for Binghamton as they look to clinch a spot in the Championship Series.
Acuña left Game 1 of the series on Tuesday after getting HBP in the face.
Pitching in the minors definitely looks a lot better than it did coming into the year. Let's get some of those guys back from TJ like Diaz and get Ziegler going as well.
Yeah I was thinking he comes back around August and hopefully shows a good 2 months. Only mentioned him because I'm the highest on him out of the other given how the Mets viewed him with placement in full season so early.
If Ziegler stays healthy and shows and some of the 2022 draft picks like Morris we'll really be cooking. Will have a top 20 pick in the 1st but then we'll be picking top 10 in every round thereafter so budget should be good to add some others. I expect absolutely 0 from Matt Allan but what a story it would be if he can pitch even decent next year at some level and stay healthy.
Mets prospects playing in the Arizona Fall League this year for the Glendale Desert Dogs:
C Kevin Parada
INF D'Andre Smith
OF/IF Rowdey Jordan
1B/OF JT Schwartz
RHP Nolan Clenney
RHP Jordan Geber
RHP Brendan Hardy
RHP Trey McLoughlin
LHP Tyler Thomas
REPORT: CRAIG COUNSELL EXPECTED TO MANAGE IN 2024 - Posted by Patrick Glynn | Sep 21, 2023
Craig Counsell’s 2024 plans could spur Brewers-Mets bidding war - By Jon Heyman - Published Sep. 21, 2023, 7:08 p.m. ET
It'd be nice to have a manager who can blend in young upcoming talent from our minor league system into the big club as opposed to someone who'll let them rot on the bench.
BA named Jett Williams our minor league player of the year.
And our 2 best pitching prospects at that!
Looks like normal minor league package: they have tweeted that it was free when the other games were
Good to see Acuna healthy.
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or just the normal minor league package?
Looks like normal minor league package: they have tweeted that it was free when the other games were
It’s says “free game of the day” on MiLB scoreboard
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I think he's been a maybe defensively the entire time although the trend is not positive. Much more concerning are the offensive traits; of the 1054 players who had 300 MiLB PA last year he had the 58th worst swinging strike rate with nowhere near enough damage to make up for it
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I guess. There were eye scout concerns about the plate setup the entire time and they were way worse for me in person than on video, and it's obviously showing up in that he's been unable to make contact with or drive pro velocity much.
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I liked the pick when they made it to be clear. Sometimes these guys just don't hit, the same thing happened with Cross and the Royals and we didn't have red flags up there really. But he's a courtesy/pre-draft report grade for me now, based on 2023 alone not even close to a list
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
They had two picks in the same area and one is stock way up and the other is stock way down, it's not even an indictment on their drafting or dev
that said i find that seidler in particular seems to overstate some of that stuff though and i think his analysis typically have some holes in them. or at least blindspots. he likes to make sweeping generalizations off of what i would consider highly volatile sss, often without age context.
without seeing the data it's hard to say but his criticisms of vientos and mauricio both fell into those categories. i wouldnt say either of those guys has done enough to say he's taking an L on them yet but we have seen each of them have the capacity to make peripheral improvements and I would argue they have already shown their raw talents were underrated. parada just played his age 21 at A+ and AA. conforto was the most recent college hitter the mets drafted except he played CBB 3 years to parada's 2, so he didnt play A+/AA until his age 22. parada has already hit as many homers and almost as many XBH as a met prospect as conforto did except in a few hundred fewer plate appearances and at a younger age.
"Parada didn't have the type of season we expected but did advance to Double-A which seems likely where he will begin 2024. Parada hasn't shown the elite contact abilities and the same approach he had in college, and his power isn't playing as big as a result. There are some defensive issues here as well, and the extra reps in Arizona will give the Mets an extended looks at his receiving and throwing, which both need work."
(I think he's going to help the 2024 Mets as a bench piece)
Schwartz 78
"I like Schwartz's bat but he hasn't really hit for much power, making it difficult to envision a long career as a first baseman."
the defense is a 100% legitimate concern and ill trust whatever live reports say there (not to mention the error totals and CS).
im just talking bat bc anyone who can produce an 800+ops will find a spot somewhere. parada is already showing the power to get there. his iso as a met minor leaguer is higher than conforto's was as prospect because he's hit xbh at a higher rate. next year is a big year for him and strictly talking bat, it is not a stretch to think he can have the kind of breakout gilbert has had at AA in his age 22.
Is Jett gonna start next season at Double A Dan?
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@jettwilliams04 and @tystuart19 both named to @BaseballAmerica's Minor League All-Star team second team #Mets
Is Jett gonna start next season at Double A Dan?
Near lock to be the starting SS in AA to begin 2024.
-Brandon Sproat (2nd)
-Wyatt Hudepohl (4th)
-Zach Thornton (5th)
-Noah Hall (7th)
-John Valle (TJ) (14th)
-Justin Lawson (15th)
-Gage Bihm (UDFA)
-Hale Sims (UDFA)
That honestly sounds crazy.
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TIL despite being RA Dickey's personal catcher (164 starts with 2 teams) for years, Josh Thole and Dickey were not close (or even friends by Thole's account). Thole didn't really sound like he was fond of Dickey.
That honestly sounds crazy.
Dickey said he was surprised Thole felt that way. Thole claimed he asked for Dickey's book to be autographed and Dickey said there were autographed copies at Barnes and Nobles. If Dickey was kidding, Thole sure doesn't feel that way.
Chris Clegg
Paid
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MiLB 2nd Half BA Leaders(min 150 PA)
Spencer Horwitz - .424
Will Wagner - .371
Rhylan Thomas - .363
Jacob Hurtubise - .358
Jasson Dominguez - .356
Vaughn Grissom - .353
Xavier Fernandez - .353
Dylan Beavers - .352
Yohandy Morales - .348
Yovanny Rodriguez (6)
Raymel Ortiz(26)
Jensi (I've seen him listed as "Jensy" as well) Rivas(31)
Edward Lantigua(41)
Ronald Hernandez, Daiverson Guitterez and Kevin Parada are now listed at 5'11" vs. 6'1"
Jett Williams officially 5'6" vs. 5'8"
Dom Hamel from 5'11 to 6'2
Acuna 5'10 to 5'8
Yovanny Rodriguez (6)
Raymel Ortiz(26)
Jensi (I've seen him listed as "Jensy" as well) Rivas(31)
Edward Lantigua(41)
We've really cornered the market on Venezuelan catchers.
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Mets expected to sign-
Yovanny Rodriguez (6)
Raymel Ortiz(26)
Jensi (I've seen him listed as "Jensy" as well) Rivas(31)
Edward Lantigua(41)
We've really cornered the market on Venezuelan catchers.
Ethan Salas (Padres) is also from VZ. Just happens to be a lot of C talent coming from there right now.
McLoughlin 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 2 walks 2 k's
Thomas 1 inning 2 hits 0 runs 0 walks 1 k
New York’s front office thus includes various groups of people hired by different leaders. One staffer recently described the organization as one-third Alderson hires, one-third Porter/Scott hires, and one-third Eppler hires. The exec called the front office “a ragtag collection of leftovers from four or five prior regimes.”
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Ronald Hernandez, Daiverson Guitterez and Kevin Parada are now listed at 5'11" vs. 6'1"
Jett Williams officially 5'6" vs. 5'8"
Dom Hamel from 5'11 to 6'2
Acuna 5'10 to 5'8
haha reminds me of my Senior year in high school our player bios in our annual program. Not one of us was listed at under 6 feet 200 pounds. in reality, maybe two or three players max were over 6 feet.
At least Hamel grew...
New York’s front office thus includes various groups of people hired by different leaders. One staffer recently described the organization as one-third Alderson hires, one-third Porter/Scott hires, and one-third Eppler hires. The exec called the front office “a ragtag collection of leftovers from four or five prior regimes.” Link - ( New Window )
add on top that good organizations rarely let good people leave even at lower levels. giving people promotions and raises without them needing to move their families makes it tough unless you overpay at any level.
the organization being so far behind in staffing up because of all the change is easily biggest frustration of cohen era. porter's dickpic probably created at least 20m-30m worth of organizational breakage. and possibly a lot more than that.
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Agreed
Also....
Eric Cross
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Pitching prospects with a strikeout rate above 30% and a walk rate below 5% this season. (Min 60 IP)
Jackson Jobe #RepDetroit
Christian Scott #LGM
That's it.
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Sources: Marc Tramuta is leaving the Mets to join the Toronto Blue Jays as a Special Assistant, Player Personnel.
Tramuta had been with the Mets since 2012 and was director of amateur scouting for six years.
Tramuta worked with the Blue Jays before joining the Mets.
If he's cleared to play in MLB, I'm interested.
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I'm glad Tramuta has a landing spot, but I also think it's time for the Mets to have some different voices at the top of the draft. It seemed to me from this past class that Tramuta and Tanous's influence was on the wane, anyway.
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@enosarris
Low-A Stuff+ leaders (not comprehensive, as tracking systems aren't in every park), minimum 40 pitches per appearance
Jackson Jobe
Chris Paddack
Saul Garcia
Lazaro Estrada
Thomas Harrington
(sheet updated)
@alxnelson
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I'm glad Tramuta has a landing spot, but I also think it's time for the Mets to have some different voices at the top of the draft. It seemed to me from this past class that Tramuta and Tanous's influence was on the wane, anyway.
kind of a bummer but if tanous is sticking around it's probably not a big deal. was also probably somewhat in the works since last year when they changed his role to "senior advisor". will be interesting to see if stearns replaces the guy they made amateur scouting director last year, presumably they are since he wasnt in the first purge?
surviving the first purge is meaningful because some of those guys had been recently promoted in the eppler era.
amateur scouting jobs seem to change on cycles, so it may be that he's got 10 months of an audition while stearns waits for other options. sort of how tramuta was probably figuring out his next move over the last 10 months.
Toussaint is expected to return
But counsel is number 1 obviously, but preparing for not getting him too. All,parties know where everyone stands, so a bit concerning.
But counsel is number 1 obviously, but preparing for not getting him too. All,parties know where everyone stands, so a bit concerning.
Sounds like Beltran to me.
what exactly are the reasons that Christian Scott gets so little attention? I get that he was 24 in AA but 11.0 K/9 vs. 1.2 BB/9 is outstanding and everything I've read speaks pretty highly of his actual stuff. Kind of confused what I'm missing here. #Mets
Jarrett Seidler
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Lack of track record/previous reliever projection, missed time during the season, age relative, lack of pitch data for him this year are all reasons
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#1 I find it very hard to believe they would be comfortable with Acuna in CF anytime soon. 4 total games out there for his career.
#2 Found it odd he didn't mention Montes De Oca will miss time in 2024. He had TJ March 30, 2023. How much time will he miss? Who knows but nearly 0% chance he's on the 26 man opening day.
#1 I find it very hard to believe they would be comfortable with Acuna in CF anytime soon. 4 total games out there for his career.
#2 Found it odd he didn't mention Montes De Oca will miss time in 2024. He had TJ March 30, 2023. How much time will he miss? Who knows but nearly 0% chance he's on the 26 man opening day.
Will got back to me about the 1st one and he more or less said scouts think he'll be able to handle it but that it's tough to say until somebody actually does it.
this was alluded to in a different thread and it seems to me the people pissed at Buck over Vogie should direct their rage toward Eppler or they would be hypocritical.
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The reaction to this one should be interesting....@NYPost_Mets confirming Bill Madden's exclusive that Daniel Vogelbach was a major point of contention between Showalter and Eppler. Per Puma, Showalter was forced to play Vogelbach by Eppler #Mets
this was alluded to in a different thread and it seems to me the people pissed at Buck over Vogie should direct their rage toward Eppler or they would be hypocritical.
I would love to see Eppler fired.
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this was alluded to in a different thread and it seems to me the people pissed at Buck over Vogie should direct their rage toward Eppler or they would be hypocritical.
I would totally be fine with Stearns showing Eppler the door. I wish he would.
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The reaction to this one should be interesting....@NYPost_Mets confirming Bill Madden's exclusive that Daniel Vogelbach was a major point of contention between Showalter and Eppler. Per Puma, Showalter was forced to play Vogelbach by Eppler #Mets
this was alluded to in a different thread and it seems to me the people pissed at Buck over Vogie should direct their rage toward Eppler or they would be hypocritical.
the criticism went to buck because the lineup card was presumed his responsibility. just like eppler was criticized for the trade since that's his presumed responsibility.
if anything i think most posters will feel validated by this since the manager's internal monologue may as well have been a bbi gamethread.
But Showalter — who was fired last weekend, allowing new president of baseball operations David Stearns the opportunity to pick his own manager following the Mets’ 75-win season — also had an issue with Vogelbach’s limited skill set, according to a source.
Vogelbach’s strength over two months last season after arriving from the Pirates was on-base percentage.
But the slow-footed Vogelbach didn’t hit for enough power, even when getting on base, to warrant regular inclusion in the lineup in Showalter’s estimation, the source said.
Vogelbach’s limited mobility also meant he couldn’t be used in the field.
the only poster i can think of who may be disappointed by this reporting is arcadesnablats since he spent so much time arguing buck was right to play vogelbach when even buck apparently disagreed.
He has a shot to be a very solid bench piece. Can play 4 positions and even some 3B. A little pop. Won’t be a huge average guy so the McNeil comps I’ve seen are silly but I think (and I like him) but I think Guillorme’s time as a Met is on borrowed time.
He has a shot to be a very solid bench piece. Can play 4 positions and even some 3B. A little pop. Won’t be a huge average guy so the McNeil comps I’ve seen are silly but I think (and I like him) but I think Guillorme’s time as a Met is on borrowed time.
Not just because of Jordan, just to clarify
Yeah, but also doesn’t mean nothing. We can’t just assume that Alonso is going to go the same route as Nimmo. Different situations, different people.
Alonso seems like an emotional cat and he clearly wants the money and the years. This is a big reason a player signs with Boras. If the Mets wanted to resign Alonso and NOT grossly overpay, I think that just went out the window.
I do now, lol
And if they do there is not much more ridiculous than the "Mets are trading Seaver again..." takes.
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Yeah, but also doesn’t mean nothing. We can’t just assume that Alonso is going to go the same route as Nimmo. Different situations, different people.
Alonso seems like an emotional cat and he clearly wants the money and the years. This is a big reason a player signs with Boras. If the Mets wanted to resign Alonso and NOT grossly overpay, I think that just went out the window.
Not sure I understand. His options are sign during the season or hit the FA market (as Nimmo did). If he takes option one he’s obviously a Met and if he takes option 2 the Mets/Cohen can make the decision to make him the largest offer (as they did with Nimmo). Situations are exactly the same. The Mets had a chance to lock up Nimmo, rolled the dice on waiting, and then outbid other teams (namely Toronto) to keep their guy. Alonso being a different person than Nimmo really doesn’t matter. If you’re saying Alonso would hit FA and be unwilling to return to the Mets despite the top offer because he’s “emotional” then we will have to agree to disagree.
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Very soon his agent will apply to free agency so in a few months Yariel could already be eligible to sign with an MLB team.
According to several international scouts I have consulted, Yariel could receive a 5-year contract in the range of 50-70 M.”
He wrecked the Mets in that WC playoff series.
I can't believe he'd be hard to get from SD who has publicly said they plan to decrease payroll 20% for the 2024 season. He is not a big salary probably even with arbitration but if they attach him to one like Musgrove maybe it could work.
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I’ve had my eyes on Grisham as a trade target for @mets. Drafted by the Brewers in 2015 (pre-Stearns taking over) but was in their organization through 2019. Undeniably has has struggles at the plate over the last 2 but only 26 years old, signed through 2025
He wrecked the Mets in that WC playoff series.
I can't believe he'd be hard to get from SD who has publicly said they plan to decrease payroll 20% for the 2024 season. He is not a big salary probably even with arbitration but if they attach him to one like Musgrove maybe it could work.
I like some of his underlying traits and at minimum is a plus fielder with speed and power who is only 26. The kind of player other teams buy low on and then they figure it out: I think his floor is solid enough that he’d be a nice addition.
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Very soon his agent will apply to free agency so in a few months Yariel could already be eligible to sign with an MLB team.
According to several international scouts I have consulted, Yariel could receive a 5-year contract in the range of 50-70 M.”
Easily one of the most impressive players in the WBC. Of the players I didn’t know much about, he and fellow FA Shota Imanaga were the 2 that made me think “who is that?”
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I’ve had my eyes on Grisham as a trade target for @mets. Drafted by the Brewers in 2015 (pre-Stearns taking over) but was in their organization through 2019. Undeniably has has struggles at the plate over the last 2 but only 26 years old, signed through 2025
He wrecked the Mets in that WC playoff series.
I can't believe he'd be hard to get from SD who has publicly said they plan to decrease payroll 20% for the 2024 season. He is not a big salary probably even with arbitration but if they attach him to one like Musgrove maybe it could work.
I like some of his underlying traits and at minimum is a plus fielder with speed and power who is only 26. The kind of player other teams buy low on and then they figure it out: I think his floor is solid enough that he’d be a nice addition.
Not a player I'd get excited about, but he'd presumably be a lower cost option and like you said a plus fielder.
for the record though, he turns 27 in less than 30 days. Not that it matters, but when citing his age, it probably makes more sense to use the one he'll be when he plays his next game.
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Boras is a bit of a nothingburger for me here. I’ve been saying my expectation was that Alonso and the Mets would go the Nimmo route in FA and who is Brandon Nimmo’s agent? How did that work out?
Yeah, but also doesn’t mean nothing. We can’t just assume that Alonso is going to go the same route as Nimmo. Different situations, different people.
Alonso seems like an emotional cat and he clearly wants the money and the years. This is a big reason a player signs with Boras. If the Mets wanted to resign Alonso and NOT grossly overpay, I think that just went out the window.
Not sure I understand. His options are sign during the season or hit the FA market (as Nimmo did). If he takes option one he’s obviously a Met and if he takes option 2 the Mets/Cohen can make the decision to make him the largest offer (as they did with Nimmo). Situations are exactly the same. The Mets had a chance to lock up Nimmo, rolled the dice on waiting, and then outbid other teams (namely Toronto) to keep their guy. Alonso being a different person than Nimmo really doesn’t matter. If you’re saying Alonso would hit FA and be unwilling to return to the Mets despite the top offer because he’s “emotional” then we will have to agree to disagree.
The path is the same but the situation is different. And I’m not saying that Alonso would hit FA and would be unwilling to return to the Mets because he’s “emotional”. Of course he’d take the highest offer.
My point is, Alonso/Nimmo are different people. It appears that Alonso may harbor some resentment about the Buck firing (had to be talked out of going to Cohen). He’s a premier power hitting first baseman in MLB vs a good center fielder. He’s looking for big years and big money. All things to be taken into consideration. And who really knows what their true motivation is. But generally, talk of Alonso’s frustration along with the contract differences and then change of agent (to Boras) all around the same time doesn’t give me good vibes. But that’s just me.
have to feel better about the chances of him extending with mets based on all the big deals they've done with boras than with that no-name agency he was with prior who haven't done any big deals. all those guys did was blow up their biggest client so who knows what else they were capable of mismanaging.
there's a chance it goes more like conforto than nimmo but the difference there was the mets didnt want conforto back by the time he got to FA, and then he hurt himself.
As I've noted previously, on my sheet I have 11 Mets pitchers rehabbing from TJ + other pitchers with "unannounced" injuries that very well could be.
bc of the service time?
it's crazy that we are at the end of alonsos first deal, really feels like just yesterday we were all arguing about his service time.
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Taking the Cubs stuff at face value (and conveniently since I’m about to start writing their list) you aren’t getting PCA, Shaw, Caissie, Alcantara or Horton. Maybe you get Wicks but I doubt it. So you are looking at like two of Brown, Triantos, Rojas, Canario and Ferris.
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Taking the Cubs stuff at face value (and conveniently since I’m about to start writing their list) you aren’t getting PCA, Shaw, Caissie, Alcantara or Horton. Maybe you get Wicks but I doubt it. So you are looking at like two of Brown, Triantos, Rojas, Canario and Ferris.
lol I think I had three of the players he says they won't get in my proposal.
I'm probably not trading Alonso for two 5 - 15 prospects even a good farm system like the Cubs.
I'd rather wait to the deadline until someone is desperate or offer a QO and get a crappy comp pick.
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Taking the Cubs stuff at face value (and conveniently since I’m about to start writing their list) you aren’t getting PCA, Shaw, Caissie, Alcantara or Horton. Maybe you get Wicks but I doubt it. So you are looking at like two of Brown, Triantos, Rojas, Canario and Ferris.
And that is exactly why I don't see a much bw the Mets and Cubbies... Said it at deadline and yesterday
i guess i said it 2 years ago because that's when olson got traded at a very similar stage at the time 2+ years from FA, and the return even then was meh.
the only way i can see it now is if alonso is a piece to getting a different rental FA whose team thinks they have a better chance to sign alonso. maybe that's a milwaukee pitcher or soto. but im not betting on either because for the mets if you are trading for a CY pitcher or 500m soto, you'd rather have alonso still here too. or there's an arm stearns is so much higher on than his present organization, but that seems very unlikely.
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Taking the Cubs stuff at face value (and conveniently since I’m about to start writing their list) you aren’t getting PCA, Shaw, Caissie, Alcantara or Horton. Maybe you get Wicks but I doubt it. So you are looking at like two of Brown, Triantos, Rojas, Canario and Ferris.
Funny enough FG's had a very similar take
"If you assume that Alonso’s next team will get $11 million plus some hard-to-quantify amount of value from having the first shot at extending Alonso or netting a possible qualifying offer compensation pick, that would put the return for Alonso somewhere in the range of a 50 FV prospect. Just to provide some context of what a 50 FV means, the current 50s on the Cubs and Brewers, two teams that have reportedly talked with the Mets, are James Triantos, Sal Frelick, Kevin Alcántara, Ben Brown, and Jordan Wicks. That’s not to say that all or any of these players would be offered in an Alonso trade, only that this is the level of prospect the Mets could expect under these assumptions."
Yes. 8/31
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Buck Showalter is interested in the Angels’ managerial opening, according to a source, and trying hard to get an interview. The job isn’t deemed attractive within the industry because GM Perry Minasian is entering the final year of his contract. But Showalter wants to manage.
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@ByRobertMurray
had the below to say about Craig Counsell:
“I have talked to plenty of different people in baseball who believe he will probably not return to Milwaukee”
Joe DeMayo
@PSLToFlushing
He also said he had someone close to Counsell tell him “If David Stearns and Steve Cohen came and offered Counsell a 5-year deal for $25-30 million, how does he turn that down?”
He noted Stephen Vogt as a real possibility to replace Counsell in Milwaukee if he were to depart
Johan Moreno
Deivy Victora
Nehomar Turmero Jr
1st round pick (19th overall in 2016) Justin Dunn was DFA'ed by the Reds and cleared waivers
A lot of smoke there, but I just don't see it.
1st round pick (19th overall in 2016) Justin Dunn was DFA'ed by the Reds and cleared waivers
Surprised the Mets didn't put in a claim so he can join Anthony Kay and have a Mets reunion.
See if Simeon Woods-Richardson gets cut too.
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Rakuten Eagles LHP Yuki Matsui will exercise his international FA rights and pursue a MLB contract this winter.
At 27, he became the youngest player in NPB history to reach 200 saves this season. He has a 1.42 ERA over the last 3 years with a 36.4 K%.
Francisco Lindor (never known for his arm) posted a career low 80 MPH on his throws from SS, down significantly from 2022 (83.3) but well within his normal range (80.1 in 2020, 80.5 in 2021) so the bone spurs presumably didn't have a major impact in the field
@francysromeroFR
Cuban ace RHP Yariel Rodriguez (26) impressed yesterday in his first tryout with more than 15 MLB teams watching in the Dominican Republic.
After 6 months without active play, the speed, pitch movement and spin rate are there.
FB (9 pitches) 96.2 MPH / 2586 Spin
SL (6 pitches) 84.9 MPH/ 2905
CV (4 pitches) 76.7 MPH / 2714
SP (2 pitches) 88.9 MPH / 1704
CH (1 pitch) 86.2 MPH / 1664
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Francisco Lindor played through an elbow injury all season, reports @martinonyc
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“According to a person with direct knowledge of the situation, Lindor first felt the effects of the bone spur in his right elbow during spring training. The discomfort lingered through the season, but he did not want to make it public, or stop playing.
Lindor, who values what he calls 'posting up' as highly as anyone, played in 160 games this year and became the fourth player in Mets history to hit 30 home runs and steal 30 bases. But perhaps most impressive was his defense, newly unshackled by MLB’s limitations on defensive shifts. The rule changes showcased Lindor’s range and athleticism and led to many sparkling plays."
We're gonna have to it seems. Pete's going to free agency with Boras unless the Mets trade him.
Lara went in the fourth round of that same 2023 Liga Dominicana Draft, ahead of other notable names such as Rayne Doncon, Yordanny Monegro (Red Sox No. 29 prospect), Yoniel Curet (Rays No. 15 prospect) and Jhancarlos Lara.
RoboScout ranked the Mets prospect No. 23 in Low-A after he put up a 122 wRC+ over 409 plate appearances as a 19-year-old. He’s only three months older than Samuel Zavala and their Low-A performances were actually quite similar. Lara, though, incurred much less attention.
Our baseline benchmarks are as follows:
Contact rate above 75%
90th Percentile Exit Velocity above 102 mph
An average exit velocity above 86 mph
A chase rate below 30%
This blend of metrics gives us a similar baseline to both Amador and Caminero, while providing some wiggle room. The sample sizes we are working with are small, and a couple of well-struck balls in play can make a large difference.
Finally, we need to narrow the field down to players 18 years of age or younger. With the accelerated paths for domestic-aged players, I haven’t excluded players who appeared at a full-season level.
Jesus Baez, SS, Mets: Baez ranked 15th on the Florida Complex League Top 20 despite hitting .210/.306/.333 over 160 plate appearances. He shows a strong combination of consistent power, high-end power projection and strong plate skills. Outside a .245 batting average on balls in play and some scout notes on fringy swing decisions, nothing within Baez’s profile explains his poor batting average this season. From a pure metrical perspective, Baez is as strong a candidate as any of blossoming into an impact hitter.
Jeffry Rosa, OF, Mets: A 19-year-old power hitter, Rosa led the DSL in home runs and shows excellent exit velocity data. He misses the list due to a below-average contact rate of 68.8%. Few players at the complex level can match Rosa’s power, as his 105.9 mph 90th percentile exit velocity is elite for a teenager.
- (Hitters) Parada 6/26 .231/.259.385 1 walk, 10 k's (2/14 throwing) Jordan 6/25 .240/.321/.400, 3 walks, 7 k's, Schwartz 7/25 .280/.357/.320, 2 walks, 4 k's, Smith 2/20 .100/.217/.100 2 walks 4 k's
AFL @mets
pitchers , Clenney 3 innings 2 walks 3 k's, Hardy 3 innings 3 hits 2 er 0 walks 2 k's, McLoughlin 4 innings 1 hit 0 runs 3 walks 3 k's, Tyler Thomas 4 innings 5 hits 3 runs 3 walks 6 k's , Geber 7 innings 7 hits 5 runs 3 walks 3 k's #Mets
Whatever went on there.
Can’t wait till it comes out
-Sounds like John Curtiss is tendered a contact
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Jordan 7/31 .226/.314/.355, 4 doubles, 4 walks, 12 k's. 1/2 SB's
Schwartz 8/30 .267/.333/.400, 1 double, 1 homer, 2 walks, 6 k's
Smith 4/24 .167/.259/.167, 2 walks 4 k's
Parada 6/30 .200/.226/.333 1 double, 1 hr, 1 walk, 12 k's (2/19 throwing out runners)
Clenney 3 innings 0 hits 0 runs 2 walks 3 k's
McLoughlin 4.2 innings 2 hits 0 runs 3 walks 3 k's
Thomas 5.1 innings 5 hits 3 runs 3 walks 8 k's
Hardy 3 innings 3 hits 2 runs 0 walks 2 k's
Geber 7 innings 7 hits 5 runs 3 walks 3 k's
And this is about Mets minor leaguers, lol
They are allowed to interview (both Boston and SF have). Counsell isn't allowed to interview until 11/1.
And this is about Mets minor leaguers, lol
there was a hockey thread that lasted almost two years. Most of it was me talking to myself, but every now and then other hockey fans posted. lol.
If he stays in Toronto, I’ve also heard he could shift to the third base coach role after Luis Rivera’s retirement.
Blankenhorn crushed one out of PNC Park when I was in attendance. I think it hit the water, and was one of his very few HRs in the majors.
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Three veteran scouts - Joseph Kowal, Pat Jones and Eddie Bane - were fired this week by the Mets. A fourth, Chad MacDonald, stepped aside for personal reasons. Bane was in amateur scouting, the rest were in the pro scouting department.
LHP Anthony Kay
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-C Michael Pérez
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He's actually had a pretty awful AFL. He's 2/21 throwing out runners and hitting .211/.250/.421 14 k's vs. 2 walks over 10 games
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He's actually had a pretty awful AFL. He's 2/21 throwing out runners and hitting .211/.250/.421 14 k's vs. 2 walks over 10 games
His stock is very much down, not a top 100 prospect anymore. Both he and Alex Ramirez saw their stocks fall the most of the Mets top names. Ramirez was a disaster, Parada more "disappointing" than terrible
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The Mets’ Kevin Parada didn’t catch well and showed a 40 arm, although I have to point out that the AFL can be a treacherous place to evaluate catchers who’ve played a full season because they’re exhausted by October. He’s off to a miserable start in Arizona, with 10 strikeouts and just one walk along with a .259 OBP so far, but I saw his lone homer, a bomb to dead center off a Jackson Jobe changeup, and actually saw half of the six hits he’s had so far this fall in the two games I happened to catch.
the power continues to show up which is good because he will need power if his bat is going to play somewhere other than C, which seems likely.
in AFL he has 5 xbh in 42 at bats.
in AA he was 5 xbh in 54 at bats.
in A+ he was 36 in 340 at bats.
(46 in 436 total)
so he has been a little better than 1 xbh in 10 at bats all year regardless of level.
by way of comparison the met big leaguers who did that were lindor, alonso, nimmo though alvarez also came close.
nimmo 60 in 592
lindor 66 in 602
alonso 69 in 568
alvarez 37 in 382
jett in brooklyn was 18 in 127, which id imagine was highest rate of any player in met system at any individual level w/ 100+ abs. gilbert was 15 in 123 at AA. mauricio was 56 in 490 at cuse. clifford was 44 in 423 (10 in 117 at brooklyn despite hitting .188). acuna was 39 in 510, but was on pace before hitting just 5 in 148 at bing.
comparing to alvarez/baty/vientos in minors 2022:
2022 alvarez 49 in 411
2022 baty 41 in 362 (had 21 in 353 big leagues 2023)
2022 vientos 41 in 378 (had 15 in 218 big leagues 2023)
they obviously all wont work out but a pretty crazy amount of power in the system right now. it doesnt take a ton of projection to see parada getting himself into the 50+ xbh range next year, the question is if he can make more consistent contact and k less. and obviously defense though that seems less like a question and more like an inevitability.
assuming the 4 met big leagues who hit xbh at that level last year continue to do that, within the next 2 seasons it would seem like at minimum they should have another 2 doing that and at maximum that number has a chance to be a full lineup.
also a huge benefit that 3 of the 4 already doing it in mlb are at the premium defensive positions, which should ease transitions with less responsibility in corners.
Lindor/Alvarez 7 runs saved
Alonso 6
Every other regular was 0 or worse with Marte and Nimmo both at -7
McNeil and Marte with the biggest regression, McNeil from +5 to 0 and Marte from +4 to -7
nimmo was disappointing but most of his worst plays were miscues. he had like 3 or 4 flat out drops in and out of the glove and at least 2 were important moments.
between gilbert, acuna, jett he probably only has 1 or 2 more years as full time cf.
Team: Glendale
Age: 23
Why He’s Here: .444/.421/1.056 (8-for-18), 4 R, 5 2B, 0 3B, 2 HR, 9 RBIs, 0 BB, 3 SO, 1-for-1 SB
The Scoop: Schwartz was excellent in the regular season despite being limited by injuries. He didn’t show much in the way of power, though, clubbing just four home runs in 66 games with High-A Brooklyn. The UCLA alum has found his power stroke in a big way in the Arizona Fall League. Schwartz hit his two home runs of the fall this past week, and his .628 slugging percentage is sixth-best on the circuit.
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bullpen coach Dom Chiti is joining @Angels
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i would imagine the guy he worked with and the richest owner in baseball are probably willing to prove a fit.
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I think it will also depend on personnel and staffing decisions. Probably doesn’t want a micromanagement of the lineup card or having staff foisted on him.
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I think it will also depend on personnel and staffing decisions. Probably doesn’t want a micromanagement of the lineup card or having staff foisted on him.
why would stearns organize things any differently in that regard than he did in MIL?
this one isn't complicated, either way counsell will probably be working for someone he's worked with for the last half decade. geography, compensation, resources to win WS are the differences.
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Source confirms Twins GM Thad Levine is no longer in the running in the Red Sox baseball ops search, as @jeremynygaard
and @alexspeier
have reported. Unclear if he pulled himself out. But another perceived top candidate out.
@alexspeier
Continuing to update the Red Sox search for a new head of baseball operations: Confirmed that Breslow has advanced in the process. Unknown if anyone else has. Multiple industry sources consider Breslow the favorite to get the job. https://bostonglobe.com/2023/10/23/sports/red-sox-reportedly-narrow-field-candidates-head-baseball-operations-job/?event=event25
via @BostonGlobe
@jonmorosi
Sources: Buck Showalter is a candidate for the Angels managerial opening.
Perry Minasian and Showalter have a longstanding connection from their time with the Texas Rangers.
@MLBNetwork
@MLB
Done deal. New manager of the Giants.
@enosarris
If Giants bench coach Kai Correa becomes available (he's got another year on his contract), he should be snapped up. Helped push a group of veterans not known for their gloves into a decent defensive team (#1 in OAA for team infield!) Mets fit?
@dennistlin
The current expectation from within the Padres is that Ryan Flaherty or Mike Shildt will get the job, even if external candidates are interviewed.
@timbhealey
Mets roster moves: Danny Mendick, Michael Perez, Jonathan Arauz, Rafael Ortega and Vinny Nittoli elected free agency after being outrighted off the 40-man roster.
Also, Anthony Kay was claimed off waivers by the Athletics.
-Houck the top hitter
-Clark best debut
-McLean most power
-Houck/Ewing best runners noted they didn't take many plus runners
-McLean FB
-Hall best CU
-Houck best athlete
-Sproat closest to MLB (no obvious pick)
-Clark best late pick #Mets
“He’s special,” an American League international crosschecker said. “There have been some special guys who are 5-10. There aren’t that many, that’s the concern, but the stuff is good enough. He’s got the stuff to do it and he holds his stuff. I don’t think he’ll have an issue.”
“He’d be one where he could be a big money guy,” said an NL special assistant with extensive history scouting the Pacific Rim. “No injuries, super durable, good delivery, fast arm. The sky is the limit on this guy.”
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The Mets have received permission to interview Craig Counsell for their managerial position, reports @martinonyc
They will be interviewing him soon
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The Mets have received permission to interview Craig Counsell for their managerial position, reports @martinonyc
They will be interviewing him soon
would think just a matter of time now. counsell had all the leverage needed without an interview if he and MIL were going to find a deal that works.
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They will be interviewing him soon
would think just a matter of time now. counsell had all the leverage needed without an interview if he and MIL were going to find a deal that works.
Unless he wants to take Cohen's offer back to MIL for them to match
Very much relevant even if they don't bring in Counsell (which I think they will).
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The Mets have received permission to interview Craig Counsell for their managerial position, reports @martinonyc
They will be interviewing him soon
would think just a matter of time now. counsell had all the leverage needed without an interview if he and MIL were going to find a deal that works.
Unless he wants to take Cohen's offer back to MIL for them to match
his agent knows what the offer is that's awaiting him and im sure they've already given milwaukee a number. or milwaukee gave him their best number and it's nowhere near what the mets are going to offer.
the mets are likely to make him the highest paid or near highest paid manager in baseball. it is a near certainty they communicated that prior to any interview. the fact that he is getting to the interview would indicate that milwaukee isnt willing to do that.
sort of a "if you love something let it go and if its meant to be it will come back to you". maybe a homeless guy pisses on him in the elevator in ny and decides it's not for him. who knows.
it also allows them to start their own search quicker and start locking down asst coaches as opposed to waiting if the inevitable is that counsell was going to sign in NY in november.
agreed im expecting something like 5x5. buck was getting almost 4x3 so 5x5 isnt even a big increase for mets.
the leak last week about counsell being "open to NY geographically" was probably a final prod to see if milwaukee would get to the $ he wants.
now he's not just open to it but on the plane.
managers are such a personality/individual market fit, if i had my choice of any manager im pretty sure i'd rule out almost anyone who has only managed in 1 market. like i dont think snitker would be a good fit here.
melvin and bochy probably the 2 best still doing it even though probably each has 1 foot into retirement like francona and dusty.
counsell is obviously a little different since stearns has worked with him before, but as an example if there were no stearns and it was eppler hiring counsell id be similarly excited about the upside since his record speaks for itself but with slightly lower expectations because there's more risk the fit isnt right.
correct there is an internal fit and external fit. with stearns it's easy to figure the internal fit is a known quantity. it will still be different than milwaukee because cohen is different and it's a bigger organization but the general way of operating should be familiar.
externally it will be a totally different fit and there is risk there for both sides. if things dont work out there will be 10's of millions of people unleashing vitriol towards him that arent today. the 100's of cameras in his face every day that arent there in milwaukee are im sure the biggest factor he's weighing (other than $). having been a player on WS teams im sure he at least feels like he's seen it before as compared to someone like mickey callaway who completely disassembled.
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The Mets have received at least one inquiry from an opposing team on pitching coach Jeremy Hefner, who is under contract for next season. But team officials have been told by Hefner that he will wait to wait to see if he fits in the Mets' plans before considering other jobs.
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That sounds like a full story is being told here..
Also from Sammon
"Given Counsell’s reputation as one of the game’s best managers, it stands to reason that every team with a vacancy has interest in him, though some teams will be more attractive to him than others. The Houston Astros are expected to join the San Diego Padres, Cleveland Guardians and Los Angeles Angels with managerial openings. Also, teams with current managers that might want to make a change shouldn’t be ruled out."
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Cuban ace Yariel Rodriguez (26) had another excellent showcase in front of the 30 MLB teams.
There are about 4-5 teams actively in the bid for Rodriguez, per sources.
Today he faced respectful hitters such as Abraham Almonte and the Giants prospect, Marco Luciano. He again exhibited a lot of stability in speed through the innings. His speed was between 94-97 MPH.
His partner in the World Baseball Classic, Luis Robert Jr. was present in the stands of Quisqueya stadium and when he finished the showcase he came down to greet him. Rodriguez is represented by Edgar Mercedes and Born To Play.
Braves signed him. 2 year $14.25 million.
I’ve seen Rodriguez projected at as high as 70 million. I really, really doubt he gets anywhere near that after a year away from the game and limited experience as a SP
I saw that too. He'd be a perfect second lefty in the bullpen to go along with Raley.
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that's a name that would seem to make a lot of sense for the BP. his savant page is insane for a guy in colorado throwing 87 mph.
I saw that too. He'd be a perfect second lefty in the bullpen to go along with Raley.
Solid RP but he actually has reverse splits. Lefties hit .284/.370/.421 against him this year. Something to consider if that's the role you're looking for.
I saw a clip of him on SNY and it sounded like an opinion and a nothingburger. Said something to the effect of "do we know he even wants to come to the mets?".
on top of the obvious ($) he/his agent are at least leaking that they have interest and are going to interview. we know milwaukee gave permission. nothing is ever a guarantee until a contract is signed but i think there's clearly some level of significant interest on both sides making dicomo's position nothing more than skepticism.
he owes senga a serious commission. he should have to buy all the meals on road trips together.
That is definitely a shift for BA. BA has tended to prefer great body types/loud tools guys over production.
i think that's going to become consensus - his xbh explosion those last 2 months at his age and with that walk rate, he is true 5 tool and showing up in game. there aren't many of those guys getting to upper levels as teenagers. pretty sure alvarez probably the only met prospect to do that in the last 2 decades unless im forgetting someone.
mauricio was always young/big tools and his age 18 was entirely in A ball with only 4 homers in 116 games. 93 wrc. his age 19 was a wash out because of covid in 2020, but it seems unlikely he'd have come anywhere close to putting up jett a19 numbers. he didn't come close in his a20 in 2021 other than the power.
anything can happen with prospects but if jett has anywhere close to the kind of year he had last year he may end up getting at bats in queens at some point.
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is sky high on Jett Williams. Not sure where he lands defensively but raved about him on their podcast.
That is definitely a shift for BA. BA has tended to prefer great body types/loud tools guys over production.
jett has some pretty big exit velos. imo that's the loudest tool there is now and it's so much less subjective than any other tool. it's an electronically sourced number over big sample sizes (all bbes).
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is sky high on Jett Williams. Not sure where he lands defensively but raved about him on their podcast.
That is definitely a shift for BA. BA has tended to prefer great body types/loud tools guys over production.
How a guy looks has been replaced by pure numbers.
He has speed, has been replaced by he runs an x
He has power potential, has been replaced by EV
H he has life in his pitch, has been replaced by his spin rate.
No one wants to hear what he might be able to do, when you can measure what he can actually do lol
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is sky high on Jett Williams. Not sure where he lands defensively but raved about him on their podcast.
That is definitely a shift for BA. BA has tended to prefer great body types/loud tools guys over production.
How a guy looks has been replaced by pure numbers.
He has speed, has been replaced by he runs an x
He has power potential, has been replaced by EV
H he has life in his pitch, has been replaced by his spin rate.
No one wants to hear what he might be able to do, when you can measure what he can actually do lol
it's crazy how quickly all the data is becoming public, but really helps understand why some organizations seemed like they had crazy advantages over the prior 10-15 years. The ones that had more data on what players were actually doing, and more importantly valuing/using that data, it's really the difference between being able to see something on TV in 8k or only hear about it on the radio.
exciting to have an exec who was really on the forefront of that with one of those organizations. and an owner willing to spend on whatever the data is that's available that we don't know about because if statcast is as good as it is i can only imagine the dashboards the top teams have created for all levels.
he seems like a super intense guy who has issues with anyone not as intense as him. he played well here and didnt do anything wrong while he was here, but also seems not worth the lightning rod effect.
Same with a scouts opinion.
Works best when you have multiple checks. And the rare time they all agree, or catch a problem the other is missing.
There’s nothing better than when one department catches something, and asks the other to find out why…
i got the sense from one of the interviews canha did that he's not for everybody.
canha seemed to like him/not have any problems with him, but also seemed to have his own way of doing things different from pham's. canha is also a winning player who i think translates to being a very good role player, so i think its ok for there to be different strokes for different folks. i see the appeal of high energy grinders (like counsell was) and maybe even players guys with an edge like pham, but every situation is different.
Same with a scouts opinion.
Works best when you have multiple checks. And the rare time they all agree, or catch a problem the other is missing.
There’s nothing better than when one department catches something, and asks the other to find out why…
data only ever as good as the people interpreting it.
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I think he teamwould be better off. He’d make a great first base coach one day IMO
i got the sense from one of the interviews canha did that he's not for everybody.
canha seemed to like him/not have any problems with him, but also seemed to have his own way of doing things different from pham's. canha is also a winning player who i think translates to being a very good role player, so i think its ok for there to be different strokes for different folks. i see the appeal of high energy grinders (like counsell was) and maybe even players guys with an edge like pham, but every situation is different.
No different than your own life. Ever met someone who knows everting and thinks his way is always the best way? They pay attention to all the details, so they’re right more often than nit.
But when they’re blunt, it rubs people the wrong way.
Till one day they look back, and appreciate it.
That’s Pham. And that’s why a lot of guys hate him, then miss him.
@BaseballAmerica ranks Kodai Senga the #5 best NL rookie in 2023, Francisco Alvarez came in at #7. Senga's pre-season grade improved from 55-60, Alvarez's downgraded from 65 to 60, Brett Baty 50 #Mets
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Craig Counsell is in Cleveland to meet with the Guardians about their managerial opening, league sources tell @WillSammon
and me.
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Multiple people mentioned that Counsell and wife Michelle very much like New York, which gives the Mets a decent chance in the case of the most-watched managerial free agency in years.
One other issue that may help the Mets is that Counsell is said to be interested in raising the bar for managerial salaries, which have stagnated or even trended lower in recent years, from a high of Joe Torre’s $8 million at his height in the Yankees’ dynasty. "
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Multiple people mentioned that Counsell and wife Michelle very much like New York, which gives the Mets a decent chance in the case of the most-watched managerial free agency in years.
One other issue that may help the Mets is that Counsell is said to be interested in raising the bar for managerial salaries, which have stagnated or even trended lower in recent years, from a high of Joe Torre’s $8 million at his height in the Yankees’ dynasty. "
beautiful. would be malpractice for his agent to not try given the circumstances. 6mx5 incoming.
have released nearly 30 players. Cole Gordon, Kolby Kubichek, Manuel Guance, Nick Meyer, Elliot Johnstone, Pedro Mercedes, Ramon Henriquez, Luis Castillo, Fernando Villalobos, Christopher Vasquez, Yordis Perera, Eric Santana, Gregory Leal, Jonaiker Palacios, Sammy Tavarez, Luis A Rodriguez (the righty), Joe Joe Rodriguez, Luis Montas, Dylan Hall, Chase Estep, Carlos Dominguez. Cesar Berbesi, Dyron Campos, Matt Minnick
have released nearly 30 players. Cole Gordon, Kolby Kubichek, Manuel Guance, Nick Meyer, Elliot Johnstone, Pedro Mercedes, Ramon Henriquez, Luis Castillo, Fernando Villalobos, Christopher Vasquez, Yordis Perera, Eric Santana, Gregory Leal, Jonaiker Palacios, Sammy Tavarez, Luis A Rodriguez (the righty), Joe Joe Rodriguez, Luis Montas, Dylan Hall, Chase Estep, Carlos Dominguez. Cesar Berbesi, Dyron Campos, Matt Minnick
Surprised the most with Dominguez and Estep. Estep only because he was 2022 draftee. Had a terrible year but still a surprise.
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have released nearly 30 players. Cole Gordon, Kolby Kubichek, Manuel Guance, Nick Meyer, Elliot Johnstone, Pedro Mercedes, Ramon Henriquez, Luis Castillo, Fernando Villalobos, Christopher Vasquez, Yordis Perera, Eric Santana, Gregory Leal, Jonaiker Palacios, Sammy Tavarez, Luis A Rodriguez (the righty), Joe Joe Rodriguez, Luis Montas, Dylan Hall, Chase Estep, Carlos Dominguez. Cesar Berbesi, Dyron Campos, Matt Minnick
Surprised the most with Dominguez and Estep. Estep only because he was 2022 draftee. Had a terrible year but still a surprise.
Maybe with all of the bats picked up in trade there just wasn't a roster space and it was not worth keeping him around as organizational fodder
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We’ve claimed RHP Penn Murfee off waivers from Seattle.
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Mets announce they've claimed RHP Penn Murfee off waivers from the Mariners. Murfee has a 2.70 ERA over 80 appearances the last two seasons but had surgery to repair a torn UCL this past summer.
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Penn Murfee could be a really sneaky pick up for the Mets for late-2024, but more so 2025 and beyond if he can get back to form.
Really effective relief arm the last two seasons for Seattle. Very unique look.
BC Eric Chavez no longer a candidate for @padres
job #Mets
Schwartz .289/.345/.519 6 doubles, 2 homers, 2 walks 10 k's over 52 ab,
Parada .170/.210/.373 3 doubles, 3 homers, 3 walks, 23 k's 59 ab, 4/35 throwing (11%)
2/2 Smith .233/.298/.349 2 doubles, 1 hr, 3 walks 11 k's, 0/1 SB's 47 ab, Hardy 4.2 innings 5 hits walks 4 k's 7.71 era, McLoughlin 6.2 innings 3 hits 4 walks 6 k's 0.00, Geber 15 innings 16 hits 3 walks 13 k's 5.40 era, Thomas 8.2 innings 6 hits 3 runs 5 walks 12 k's #Mets
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NEWS: The San Diego Padres took out a loan for about $50 million in September to address short-term cash flow issues and meet their obligations, including player payroll.
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NEWS: The San Diego Padres took out a loan for about $50 million in September to address short-term cash flow issues and meet their obligations, including player payroll.
their spending spree was/is still insane. living in padre country i asked a few who i know are close to the team how they were spending the way they were last offseason and never got an answer that didn't sound like rainbows/unicorns. their broadcast partner is bankrupt. seidler's net worth is a fraction of cohens and even cohen talked about his own spending not being sustainable. and while cohen may have spent more short term, he has handed out a lot less long term than the pads have.
soto is the most attractive asset but i wonder if they wouldnt be happier to have someone take machado or xander off their hands even though they just signed them. that could be a crazy offseason ahead.
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NEWS: The San Diego Padres took out a loan for about $50 million in September to address short-term cash flow issues and meet their obligations, including player payroll.
Mendoza is very highly regarded, hard worker, he’s essentially been the Yankees version Luis Rojas. Has been coaching for 13 years despite not being 43. I doubt either one is the next manager even if Counsell passes.
lol. The Pads are a team I admire. I actually hate to see them go through this. At least their owners want to win and are willing to spend to do it, unlike a whole buncha other teams' owners. We are blessed to have Uncle Steve own this club. How goes it with you Rory?
P.S. We should give Eric in LI a visit out in Padreland! Beautiful part of the country. Nothing like sunshine and warm weather. The Northeast is cold and ooglay A.F. today.
He’s bad a very poor AFL but it’s also his first full season and as a catcher that can be grueling. If he repeats his 2023 in 2024, then yeah you probably can label him a “miss”.
-Counsell’s interview is today
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lol. The Pads are a team I admire. I actually hate to see them go through this. At least their owners want to win and are willing to spend to do it, unlike a whole buncha other teams' owners. We are blessed to have Uncle Steve own this club. How goes it with you Rory?
P.S. We should give Eric in LI a visit out in Padreland! Beautiful part of the country. Nothing like sunshine and warm weather. The Northeast is cold and ooglay A.F. today.
my record at padreland isnt so good. machado hit 2 balls off scherzer that still havent landed.
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Pareda has shown anything in AFL to indicate he won’t be a bust?
He’s bad a very poor AFL but it’s also his first full season and as a catcher that can be grueling. If he repeats his 2023 in 2024, then yeah you probably can label him a “miss”.
-Counsell’s interview is today
don't really say this as a prediction, but there is no reason counsell shouldn't be ready to make a decision in the next few days ahead of offseason activity picking up. if you were him and you've had a month to think about all your options, why wait and delay being able to weigh in on decisions on the roster you're going to be managing? that's regardless of whichever team he decides to manage.
I just want to point out, this no longer means just $$, but terms. That's the thing to keep an eye on IMO.
let's see how this thing loands
that will not carry the rest of his game if he doesn't improve the BA or find some level of playable defense somewhere, but it's a lot easier to improve the non-power stuff than vice versa. and if the bat improves enough without the defense at least DH is an option.
he's also playing ahead of his age more than a typical college draftee because he'd only played 2 years at GT. Conforto for comparison played 3 years of college so his age 21 was his draft year and he never got above A-. his first full year was his age 22 which will be next year for Parada, and he's already at AA/having played in AFL. Next year is the key year for him.
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Answer to the question of why it seemingly took so long for Mets to interview Craig Counsell: There was a long phone conversation already. Plus, obviously, he and Stearns know each other well.
not really predicting today is a final "let's do this" meeting, but also not predicting it's not. i agree with you dan, if i had to bet one way or the other its happening and probably in the next few days.
I know Cohen told Scherzer we weren't "going all in for 2024", but we might be a couple top end pitchers from being really good.
Despite the horrible year, I'm actually ok with running it back with pretty much all the position players if we add Yamamoto and Snell.
C : Alvarez/Narvaez
1B: Alonzo
2B: Mauricio
SS: Lindor
3B: Baty/Vientos
IF: Guilorme?
LF: McNeil
CF: Nimmo
RF: Marte?
OF: Stewart
IF/OF: Acuna
Snell
Yamamoto
Senga
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Peterson/Megill/Lucchesi/Butto
The two deals that are most often cited when trying to determine what Alonso should get paid are the ones inked by Matt Olson and Freddie Freeman.
Ahead of his age-28 season, Olson signed an eight-year extension with the Braves worth $168 million.
Entering his age-32 season, Freeman signed a six-year, $162 million free agent deal with the Dodgers.
Neither Freeman (a more well-rounded hitter than Alonso) nor Olson (who was younger and two full years from free agency when he signed his deal) is a perfect comp for Alonso, but it's close enough.
But Boras doesn't believe those deals should color what Alonso should get.
"We all work in different markets, and I got Mark Teixeira a contract where he became a world champion with the Yankees for $180 million in 2007," Boras said. "I also understand I got Prince Fielder a contract at [$214 million] in 2011. There are different markets, different representation, and different dynamics you look at."
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I know Cohen told Scherzer we weren't "going all in for 2024", but we might be a couple top end pitchers from being really good.
Despite the horrible year, I'm actually ok with running it back with pretty much all the position players if we add Yamamoto and Snell.
C : Alvarez/Narvaez
1B: Alonzo
2B: Mauricio
SS: Lindor
3B: Baty/Vientos
IF: Guilorme?
LF: McNeil
CF: Nimmo
RF: Marte?
OF: Stewart
IF/OF: Acuna
Snell
Yamamoto
Senga
Quintana
Peterson/Megill/Lucchesi/Butto
Was explicitly told the Mets will not chase QO FA’s other than Ohtani. Snell would cost them their 2nd and 5th round picks, about 2.5 million in draft money and 1 million in IFA money
right and in this case with the public-ness of it and fact that counsell wouldnt be a direct report to cohen, i doubt they get to that meeting if either side isnt prepared to move forward.
Which Boras probably would laugh them out of the room on.
Unforuntately, unless Pete steps in and demands to stay a career met, I don't think this is happening. And it honestly might be for the better for both sides that way.
their pool is i think right around 6 so they could they'd just have to punt on any other high priced guys or go with a super small class of just 1-2 more guys.
i dont expect them to do it bc there are enough FA SP who wont require it but i dont think it's a total 3rd rail. obviously they are prepared for the possibility in the event they get ohtani. like if that were to happen id imagine they aren't going to totally blow up their IFA class and break a bunch of deals they've made, id imagine they already have the $1m set aside but would rather be able to spend it as opposed to not.
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Mets have one of their biggest (if not the biggest IFA bonus- a rumored 3-4 million) signings coming in 2025 so losing 1 million in IFA money is something they really can’t “afford” to do.
their pool is i think right around 6 so they could they'd just have to punt on any other high priced guys or go with a super small class of just 1-2 more guys.
i dont expect them to do it bc there are enough FA SP who wont require it but i dont think it's a total 3rd rail. obviously they are prepared for the possibility in the event they get ohtani. like if that were to happen id imagine they aren't going to totally blow up their IFA class and break a bunch of deals they've made, id imagine they already have the $1m set aside but would rather be able to spend it as opposed to not.
5.2 million for 2023 for the Mets (he’s a 2025) giving an example but no teams break deals all the time. In fact, Eppler is currently being sued for 2 broken deals
Agreed Dan. You lose those picks for Ohtani and don't think twice about. Blake Snell? He's really good but probably not the path forward I see the Mets taking.
And yeah Ohtani is 1 of 1. Snell not so much. Good pitcher but he’s not particularly young (31 this upcoming season) and is the kind of move you make when you’re close and need one more piece. That’s not the Mets on paper. I’d be stunned if the Mets pivot and make such a move.
Which Boras probably would laugh them out of the room on.
Unforuntately, unless Pete steps in and demands to stay a career met, I don't think this is happening. And it honestly might be for the better for both sides that way.
on an early extension i agree. im sure boras is trying to use devers as a comp and i dont think he's totally wrong to do so since devers defense is a bigger negative than alonso regardless of where he plays (which will probably be 1b or DH sooner rather than later).
but if he gets to FA, im just not sure where he goes.
boston already has 300m on devers.
freeman is signed through 2027 in LA.
yankees can get out of rizzo if they want, but have stanton through 27.
braves olson.
toronto vlad jr.
harper/hoslins in phi.
abreu 1 more year in houston (plus alvarez).
pads out of money.
so cubs? tex? sfg? laa? those were the only 12 teams other than mets with payroll above 170m last year.
if im mets im pretty comfortable saying our offer is to be the only 200m 1b in baseball right now. but if you want to wait to try find something better bring it back and maybe we'll top it.
🔸 Counsell had a long telephone chat with the Mets: "Some sources classified that as an interview, others classified it as a conversation. He is receiving his callback Thursday."
🔸 Counsell is open to the idea of coming to New York
🔸 Team hoping to hire Counsell do not know where his talks with the Brewers stand
- Mendoza had a first-round interview last week, which was not in person.
- Several other candidates received first-round interviews and did not receive in-person callbacks.
- Mendoza had an in-person callback Wednesday.
- That interview was said to have gone well, and Mendoza remains involved in the process.
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Draft would be greatly impacted losing a 2nd and 5th round pick as well. Thats significant draft pool spending, especially if they pick 17th and not 6th. Extremely high price to pay
Agreed Dan. You lose those picks for Ohtani and don't think twice about. Blake Snell? He's really good but probably not the path forward I see the Mets taking.
not saying this is snell, but if you think any pitcher available is wheeler 2019 that price is a nothing-burger comparatively if you're right.
if you could put wheeler on this team right now but you had to give up this year's brandon sproat (1.5m) and christopher larez (1.4m) they would do that in a heartbeat.
since 2020 wheeler has more fwar than any sp in baseball so that's an extreme outcome but nola is 4th on that list, burnes is 2nd (would be trade cost), montgomery 19th, snell 24th. shohei is 22nd even w/ injury.
of course you prefer the guys who dont cost the qo but that's not an infinite list.
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lol. The Pads are a team I admire. I actually hate to see them go through this. At least their owners want to win and are willing to spend to do it, unlike a whole buncha other teams' owners. We are blessed to have Uncle Steve own this club. How goes it with you Rory?
P.S. We should give Eric in LI a visit out in Padreland! Beautiful part of the country. Nothing like sunshine and warm weather. The Northeast is cold and ooglay A.F. today.
all good here, actually just left PNW and moved back to NY for the holidays. Sorry Speedy, we never got a game in
Padres are a weird team, kinda a west coast version of 2015 Yankees. Lots of millionaires but Instead of AROD you have Machado who never really takes hold of a leadership role. An no real impact homegrown talent coming up.
For me with Mets I dont know Counsel at all, NY is a rough place to manage. Yoshinobu Yamamoto makes us interesting and I stick by my 1 year low risk/high reward signing with Tyler Mahle.
Rumor that Trout could got o Philly next season.
Also, that was a kick ass world series and some great playoff baseball. Really enjoyed it.
Hope all is good fam.
if that's the case then it seems like they have already smartly strategized a way that if they use the QO this year, it impacts them as minimally as possible since their class is going to be so invested in 1 player to start with.
again it's not plan A, im sure yamamoto and montgomery are, but those guys are going to have a dozen bidders each sort of like gausman a few years ago (who is now the 3rd most valuable SP since 2020 behind burnes/wheeler).
if they want a non-ancient top of the rotation SP, they may need to lose QO comp. i hope they get yamamoto or montgomery or both but that's going to extremely competitive.
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right now whoever they sign this year is a lot closer to larez or sproat because that's where they are going to be in their stage of development. sproat could be the next wheeler and larez the next mauricio but we have no idea - any IFA (teenager) carries extreme risk and the point would stand even if it were davierson who got almost 2m which would be twice the penalty.
and as ive explained before, it's not like they lose 1m and they lose their favorite IFA;s. they will lose the 1m from their budget they care the least about. it could be that they just loose 20 guys who were all going to get 50k bonuses whose names we havent even heard in the first place.
last year the mets signed 28 IFAs and only those top 3 got 1m+. i cant find the BA link but i think fewer than 5 others got more than 100k so there was a big chunk of guys they signed to smaller deals but added up to about 1m.
What are the final odds of the Mets picking 6th or better vs 17th or worse? Is it like 57/43 that the Mets drop down to 17?
It looks like the lottery is in December. I wonder if any of the Mets offseason decisions are going to hinge on how that lottery goes.
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the Mets fall from 6 to 17, their pool already drops from about 6 to 4 for the first round, then minus 2 million for a 2nd round pick and 450K more for a 5th round pick. So their draft pool (if they pick 17th). It's a draft pool crusher.
What are the final odds of the Mets picking 6th or better vs 17th or worse? Is it like 57/43 that the Mets drop down to 17?
It looks like the lottery is in December. I wonder if any of the Mets offseason decisions are going to hinge on how that lottery goes.
They have a 5.5% chance of picking 1st, 6.0 2nd, 6.5% 3rd, 7.2% 4th, 8% 5th, 9% 6th and a 26.6% chance of picking 8th (which in their case would be 18th).
last year their overslot signings were:
houck +150k
ewing +190k
barro +500k
then a few other guys after round 10 who were +100-200k.
sproat was signed for slot in round 2 at 1.475 which makes him a very simple base case of what they would be giving up by signing someone on a QO.
whatever they do now they obviously wont know who is on the board in 2024 when they pick and what the best strategy will be. but they can lose 1.5m and still have the capability of going overslot for whoever their first pick is.
with less $ spend in both IFA/draft the biggest impact is that those classes will likely be defined by whether or not they get their headliners right. which is why it seems notable their IFA class is more invested in 1 headliner than ever before.
2nd round is about 2 million by itself, 5th round another 400K
Drop from 6 to 17 would be an additional 2.5 million in draft pool money
That's about 2.4 million for signing a QO FA (+ 1 million in draft money) and about 5 million in pool money lost if they don't finish top 6 in the lottery (for context the Mets had 8.4 million to spend TOTAL last season and that was with extra picks).
So maybe I'm confused with what the 1.5 number your citing is?
RHP Hector Rodriguez is now a dominant monster in Italy. 69.2 innings 127 k's (16.4 K/9, led the league)
Hector Rodriguez is now pitching in the VWL 5 perfect innings 5 k's. Maybe bring back Hector?
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Correct. It's based on the lottery. Top 6 draft slot, not top 6 records.
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Sorry if this has already been covered, but I thought if we didn't finish with one of the 6 worst records, we drop 10 spots. It's actually based on the lottery?
Correct. It's based on the lottery. Top 6 draft slot, not top 6 records.
Dan, you need to check into baseball rehab. You’re a junky.
2nd round is about 2 million by itself, 5th round another 400K
Drop from 6 to 17 would be an additional 2.5 million in draft pool money
That's about 2.4 million for signing a QO FA (+ 1 million in draft money) and about 5 million in pool money lost if they don't finish top 6 in the lottery (for context the Mets had 8.4 million to spend TOTAL last season and that was with extra picks).
losing the pool money from not finishing top 6 is something they cant control. if they get lucky that is found money in the couch cushions. they spent over the CBT knowing they would get dropped 10 spots in the draft so by all rights that's what they planned on and deserve. if they luck into that not being the case it's a phenomenal outcome but if they dont they didnt "lose" anything. they got plenty of prospect ROI from all the money they spent when they added all the prospects they added at the deadline.
what they control is the decision to sign a QO free agent or not.
the penalty is exactly as written - a second round pick at slot value - which is exactly what sproat was last year. and sure a 5th round pick also but we all know the odds of all draft picks so thats a total nothingburger imo. last year's 5th was zach thornton (he basically got slot).
and 1m of IFA money - which they spent on 3 individual IFAs last year so get rid of whichever one you liked least and that's the closest approximation of what the penalty is.
in total it is a $3m prospect penalty - and as ive said they get to strategize around the penalty to minimize it's impact. which im sure they've been doing in the IFA side knowing they seemed likely to go after ohtani going back 2 years.
$3m of prospect value is 1 40+ grad prospect according to FG. which tracks with the penalty ive been approximating bc they have sproat as a 40+ grade right now (larez is a 40 grade, but im not even sure they wouldn't have been able to sign him with the penalty last year, they probably blow off a bunch of lower level signings instead of him).
So maybe I'm confused with what the 1.5 number your citing is?
1.5m was what sproat got last year (which was exactly slot). this years 2nd will be higher so the slot value will be slightly higher but sproat was generally ranked ahead of where they picked him so i think he's a good proxy to the type of talent they would be giving up.
Wow, Danngets sports headaches. you weren’t in the mood?? I hear ya though, bud.
I’ve occasionally mentioned it in the last. I used to say a baseball junkie needs to experience spring training, buts that’s changed over the years. But for a an uber fan like you, I can suggest enough catching some backfield minor,league games if you ever head down there.
But even better, catch an FCL game. For a guy like you, you’d be a kid in a candy store!!!!
He’s slow??
No, homerun trot
He jogged out a HR?
No, walked. All of them.
How many?
(Cracks up laughing) ALOT!!!!!!
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7th overall pick in 2nd round of the 2023 draft had a pool number of Rockies: $1,868,400, the 7th pick in the 5th round had a pool number of Rangers: $437,900
So maybe I'm confused with what the 1.5 number your citing is?
1.5m was what sproat got last year (which was exactly slot). this years 2nd will be higher so the slot value will be slightly higher but sproat was generally ranked ahead of where they picked him so i think he's a good proxy to the type of talent they would be giving up.
+ 5th round pick and 5th round money, 8th pick in the 5th round was 433,500. So it's far, far closer to 2 million in lost money, 1.93,500 based on 2023's numbers and the pools go up, not down annually.
They’d win the lottery
Draft Griffin under slot first.
Then kill it with some mid round over slots!!!
But in Metsland… things don’t go that way 😞
the odds of getting that amount of production from prospect $ that's roughly equal to sproat, larez, thornton is exponentially lower, and at least 5 years deferred in the future.
and keep in mind that just like sproat/larez, if there are players they like better than them in those classes they will still get them because the penalty is smaller than their highest value choice (first round pick, biggest IFA signing).
100% go for yamamoto/montgomery first but if they go elsewhere don't turn the phone off.
right on time here's law's top 50, he has Shohei 1, Nola 3, Yamamoto 4, Gray 5, Montgomery 6, Snell 7, Rodriguez 8, Imanaga 11, Hendricks 12, Lugo 17. So seems like a pretty big drop off after those guys in the top 10 making 1 of them a must.
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7th overall pick in 2nd round of the 2023 draft had a pool number of Rockies: $1,868,400, the 7th pick in the 5th round had a pool number of Rangers: $437,900
So maybe I'm confused with what the 1.5 number your citing is?
1.5m was what sproat got last year (which was exactly slot). this years 2nd will be higher so the slot value will be slightly higher but sproat was generally ranked ahead of where they picked him so i think he's a good proxy to the type of talent they would be giving up.
+ 5th round pick and 5th round money, 8th pick in the 5th round was 433,500. So it's far, far closer to 2 million in lost money, 1.93,500 based on 2023's numbers and the pools go up, not down annually.
the pools go up along with the slot values (which i said) but the value of the prospect is still the same. they lose slot value of their 2nd and 5th highest pick - which their 2nd round and 5th round picks last year approximate closest. unlike last year they arent going to get comp picks for losing players via FA so the picks they are risking should be their 2nd rd pick and 5th rd picks at slot value.
And I gave that number before Law's piece!
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"Daniel Wexler
@WexlerRules
It would. I think that’s very low. Got 15 before he proved he could start. I suspect he gets something like 3 for 39."
After first-round telephone interviews, the Mets began their in-person interviews on Wednesday with Carlos Mendoza, and are continuing on Thursday with Craig Counsell. There are believed to be one or maybe two other finalists, if we want to use that vague word (the Mets would push back on it).
Oakland manager Mark Kotsay has been in the mix, sources say, but it is unclear to what extent. The New York Post also linked former San Diego skipper Andy Green to the job.
it seems like they've toed a balance between it being obviously counsell's job and not talking to anyone in any way threatening to counsell being a clear top target (publicly at least).
On paper (which means next to nothing in November) the top of this draft is not as intriguing as last year. Wetherholt seeing time at SS should help his draft stock quite a bit. I'm intrigued by Seaver King. Caglianone with the Ohtani comps seems ridiculous (and unfair)
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The Mets are down to a few in-person manager interviews and are on track to make a hire within a week, league sources say.
After first-round telephone interviews, the Mets began their in-person interviews on Wednesday with Carlos Mendoza, and are continuing on Thursday with Craig Counsell. There are believed to be one or maybe two other finalists, if we want to use that vague word (the Mets would push back on it).
Oakland manager Mark Kotsay has been in the mix, sources say, but it is unclear to what extent. The New York Post also linked former San Diego skipper Andy Green to the job.
it seems like they've toed a balance between it being obviously counsell's job and not talking to anyone in any way threatening to counsell being a clear top target (publicly at least).
Also, the conspiracy theorist in me... it looks like a real search aka the league can't claim the Mets/Stearns tampered before they could.
i really have to say it would be so nice to do to philly what they did to us with wheeler - assuming law ends up right about nola.
Also, the conspiracy theorist in me... it looks like a real search aka the league can't claim the Mets/Stearns tampered before they could.
i think that would be a near impossible case to prove given that stearns and counsell were technically still part of the same org through sept 1. so there's only like a month in between and stearns wasnt even employed by the mets that entire time.
if there's a tampering case it would more likely be with stearns some time over the 2+ year pursuit than counsell in the brief period after stearns hire but before mil got eliminated. milwaukee has now twice given mets permission to talk to their guys a little early so it would seem that they aren't scorned but i suppose that could change.
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The ballpark, which opened in 2009, was financed with 40-year and 37-year PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes) bonds at interest rates between 4.3% and 6.5%. Back then, the Mets were owned by the Wilpon and Katz families, who operated the New York City-owned ballpark (formerly known as Queens Ballpark LLC) through a lease agreement with the New York City Industrial Development Agency (NYCIDA) until 2049.
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projecting Lugo at roughly 3 for 39, and I'd do that. Unclear if he'd be willing to return. I think he's very similar to Quintana in value.
And I gave that number before Law's piece!
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"Daniel Wexler
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It would. I think that’s very low. Got 15 before he proved he could start. I suspect he gets something like 3 for 39."
i think he's more likely to get 2 years than 3, but for mets i think a 3x30m makes a ton of sense to flatten out his lux tax hits and knowing he can shift to BP effectively. id be very happy with him as a 3rd SP who can compete for a rotation slot with peterson/megill/vasil and shift to BP if necessary.
i would imagine lugo doesnt care too much where he pitches other than how it impacts how much $ he gets since middle relievers dont get $30m.
if he's their 2nd SP signing that seems a little risky but he's a perfect 3rd SP/potential high leverage RP swing piece.
The ballpark, which opened in 2009, was financed with 40-year and 37-year PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes) bonds at interest rates between 4.3% and 6.5%. Back then, the Mets were owned by the Wilpon and Katz families, who operated the New York City-owned ballpark (formerly known as Queens Ballpark LLC) through a lease agreement with the New York City Industrial Development Agency (NYCIDA) until 2049. Link - ( New Window )
if memory serves this was done about 12 months before seidler and a bunch of others were screaming to "name 1 thing cohen has actually done better than the wilpons"?
have released nearly 30 players. Cole Gordon, Kolby Kubichek, Manuel Guance, Nick Meyer, Elliot Johnstone, Pedro Mercedes, Ramon Henriquez, Luis Castillo, Fernando Villalobos, Christopher Vasquez, Yordis Perera, Eric Santana, Gregory Leal, Jonaiker Palacios, Sammy Tavarez, Luis A Rodriguez (the righty), Joe Joe Rodriguez, Luis Montas, Dylan Hall, Chase Estep, Carlos Dominguez. Cesar Berbesi, Dyron Campos, Matt Minnick
More releases to announce-
17th round 2022 Connor Brandon, UDFA Mathieu Voros, IFA Adrian Hernandez, 2021 7th rounder Kevin Kendall.
RHP Elian Nunez, RHP Yeudi Lora, LHP Arlison Rodriguez, C Jose Marcano and RHP (and 70 grade name) Frelianderson Seijas
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im not sure im buying it or selling it. im almost definitely going for yamamoto, montgomery, ohtani first - but so will 1/3 of baseball.
a lot fewer than 1/3 of baseball will go hard for nola, snell, etc. and that number will be again less whoever gets the top guys w/o QOs. so there may be some deals to be had.
let's say they get 1 of yamamoto/montgomery (which seems like a pretty safe bet).
if nola or snell is sitting out there at a reasonable price on a 4 or 5 year deal not unlike how bassitt lingered on the market last year, i think they'd have to consider it.
a Yamamoto/Senga/Quintana + Nola or Snell top 4 would be very strong. All except Quintana 30 or younger.
for a combined $50m/year x 4-7 years they can do that. and then they've got some real runway to build up/phase in the arms in the system.
does he count against any different pool or is he just a free agent?
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does he count against any different pool or is he just a free agent?
Once he's declared a FA he will count against whatever IFA year's pool he opts to sign. The Mets don't have much money left this year (no clue how much this kid is expected to sign for, admittedly had never even heard of him). He could wait until the next signing period.
got it so no more yoan moncadas but if over 25 all bets off?
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simplest terms, if you're under 25 you count against IFA pools.
got it so no more yoan moncadas but if over 25 all bets off?
Exactly. Then you're a full-on FA, same as with the over 25 Japanese players (who are eligible for FA)
"He’s probably a $25 million per year guy, even at 24 or so starts a year, but I’d be wary of going more than two years for a guy with two Tommy Johns and several other arm injuries on his medicals."
Clevinger's best FIP since 2019 was 4.15 over 8 starts in 2020 and he's been worth 3.3 fWAR over that time. He's also known as an absolute dickhead. Who is giving Mike Clevinger 25 million per? Goodness.
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Dodgers are finalizing a two-year contract extension with Max Muncy, source tells The Athletic.
Muncy had a $14 million club option for 2024 that was pending.
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was on it.
@ByRobertMurray
Terms of Max Muncy’s extension with the Los Angeles Dodgers: two years, $24 million with $10 million club option for 2026.
That's a steal for LAD. Muncy has posted 5.3 fWAR since OD 2022 hitting 57 homers with a 113 wRC+
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The Mets have placed more players on outright waivers to clear 40-man space, per source:
-RHP Peyton Battenfield
-RHP John Curtiss
-RHP Elieser Hernández
-RHP Bryce Montes de Oca
-RHP Denyi Reyes
-OF Tim Locastro
If unclaimed, Montes de Oca and Battenfield could be retained.
considering they probably don't need to sign more than 5 active roster free agents, and probably only 1 or 2 by the gm meetings, they should have plenty of slots for whomever they want to keep.
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Thanks for doing that btw GF. I think you should start another one again on January 1st as well (Off-Season Thread Part 2 until Spring Training) so people can find them besides the usual die-hards.
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With the WS over should we start a new thread for the off-season?
Thanks for doing that btw GF. I think you should start another one again on January 1st as well (Off-Season Thread Part 2 until Spring Training) so people can find them besides the usual die-hards.
Sounds good! I'll try to remember in January haha.
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