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How do you think our Run D does against big D

CMicks3110 : 9/4/2023 12:23 pm
With A’Shawn, Nacho, Riley, Okereke, Simmons, Boogie joining Dex and Leo against a very formidable Dallas O-Line. How do you think we do at containing Pollard?
If we get them  
Bill in UT : 9/4/2023 12:26 pm : link
all on the field at the same time, they should do great :)
We handled Pollard well  
HBart : 9/4/2023 12:29 pm : link
In the second Dallas game last season. With Ximenes and Mondeaux out there half the time.

I can't imagine us not doing even better this time.

Much more concerned about CeeDee Lamb. He's been the real killer.
Not concerned about run d  
beatrixkiddo : 9/4/2023 12:38 pm : link
We have so much DT depth along with a much improved MLB in Okereke. I’m more concerned with Lamb and Cooks against our young unproven secondary. Gonna need to generate a pass rush and keep Dak’s timing off to be successful. I think our Offense can hang though.
this is an area where the Giants decisions  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/4/2023 12:44 pm : link
over the off-season says they must do better this season
If our run defense is a problem.....  
George from PA : 9/4/2023 12:51 pm : link
The Giants will have a very long season...

More concerned with Pass rush without  
larryflower37 : 9/4/2023 1:06 pm : link
A overload blitz.
I am concerned about putting 2 rookie CBs on an island with no help if we need to overload to get pressure on Dak.
If we can get pressure by sending 4 or 5 we will be in good shape.
Game 1 is tricky  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/4/2023 1:26 pm : link
Lot of new players in the front seven. One positive is that they did a very good job against Tennessee last season in the opener (26 carries, 96 yards, 3.6 ypc).

If they hold Dallas to similar numbers I think they will be in very good shape.



I say Pollard has 24 carries, 124 yards, 2 td's. The Giants once  
Jack Stroud : 9/4/2023 1:42 pm : link
again can not perform on natioanl tv and are the cowturd intimidation continues.
run d  
ToddPJ76 : 9/4/2023 1:49 pm : link
I think the giants will be fine against the run. Deuce Vaughn and how he is used is a bit of a wildcard though.

What I am concerned with is the giants offensive line vs Dallas Run D.

Last year after the thanksgiving game, Micah Parsons went on twitter and proclaimed

"heard he was the best, I stayed on his side all game"

this was a shot at Andrew thomas. I have to imagine Thomas and the giants remember this stuff.

also it wasn't true, Parsons lined up against the backup right tackle a bunch of times.

I want to Thomas drive him out of the screen all night.
I actually like the way the Giants  
Dnew15 : 9/4/2023 1:50 pm : link
Matchup against the Cowturds … finally.

Adoree’s work in the slot in the preseason would appear to have a matchup up with Lamb in mind.

Given the beasts the Giants can put up front to stop the run, I like the defensive matchup on paper for the Giants.

Wink will dial up some pressure and Dak will turn it over.

Giants win.
Nothing up the middle...  
x meadowlander : 9/4/2023 1:55 pm : link
...edges probably more vulnerable, but the middle of the Giants D should be as good as its been since the Parcells era.
Tyler Smith tweaked his hamstring this morning  
ToddPJ76 : 9/4/2023 1:59 pm : link
Also just to add the cowboys starting left guard Tyler Smith apparently tweaked his hamstring this morning and left practice.

They are saying it is minor. He didn't miss a snap last year as a rookie so I imagine he will be fine.

If he has to miss time however it could be big because talent wise the cowboys backups fall off a cliff after the starting five.

5th round rookie asim richards would step in at guard if smith can't play.
The only question I have is our OL vs their front 7, and if we  
PatersonPlank : 9/4/2023 2:04 pm : link
can't hold up can Kafka scheme around it.
One thing that will be different  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/4/2023 2:07 pm : link
is Smith is back at left tackle. Be interesting to see how much he has left.
Yes Tyron is starting at left tackle  
ToddPJ76 : 9/4/2023 2:08 pm : link
Yes smith is at left tackle and the other smith is at left guard.
.  
pjcas18 : 9/4/2023 2:30 pm : link
Deuce Vaughn scares me..  
1st and 10 : 9/4/2023 2:48 pm : link
Small, quick back verse our big linemen.
RE: Deuce Vaughn scares me..  
pjcas18 : 9/4/2023 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16192226 1st and 10 said:
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Small, quick back verse our big linemen.


Don't be scared.
RE: I actually like the way the Giants  
HBart : 9/4/2023 3:08 pm : link
In comment 16192200 Dnew15 said:
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Matchup against the Cowturds … finally.

Adoree’s work in the slot in the preseason would appear to have a matchup up with Lamb in mind.

Given the beasts the Giants can put up front to stop the run, I like the defensive matchup on paper for the Giants.

Wink will dial up some pressure and Dak will turn it over.

Giants win.

I agree re Adoree/Lamb, and I like the way we match up also.
RE: We handled Pollard well  
Ivan15 : 9/4/2023 3:14 pm : link
In comment 16192139 HBart said:
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In the second Dallas game last season. With Ximenes and Mondeaux out there half the time.

I can't imagine us not doing even better this time.

Much more concerned about CeeDee Lamb. He's been the real killer.
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Jackson may cover Lamb wherever he goes. Dallas will try to force Giants to cover Lamb with one of the rookies. At least until that doesn’t work.
RE: run d  
Del Shofner : 9/4/2023 3:39 pm : link
In comment 16192198 ToddPJ76 said:
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I think the giants will be fine against the run. Deuce Vaughn and how he is used is a bit of a wildcard though.


Agree. Vaughn's highlights from college are pretty remarkable. His dad is a scout for the Cowboys so no surprise he ended up there.
Our D line depth  
Joe Beckwith : 9/4/2023 3:47 pm : link
will be able to have a strong LW and Sexy D for the last 20+ minutes.
We keep it close or lead at that point they can’t use the run game to make a consuming drive, forcing Dak to throw, advantage us.
I’m most concerned about Lamb as well  
BSIMatt : 9/4/2023 4:02 pm : link
He’s their best offensive player..but I think doing well against the run goes hand in hand with defending Lamb. The more predictable down and distances the Giants can get Dallas in, the more one dimensional you make their offense it can only aid Martindale in getting to his pressure packages vs Dallas passing game.
RE: I say Pollard has 24 carries, 124 yards, 2 td's. The Giants once  
Lowell : 9/4/2023 4:12 pm : link
In comment 16192192 Jack Stroud said:
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again can not perform on natioanl tv and are the cowturd intimidation continues.


Parsons beat Thomas for two sacks in the second meeting.
I think Simmons  
Bill in UT : 9/4/2023 4:15 pm : link
is going to have a busy game, blitzing and spying Dak
Would be nice to see the interior DL do their job but need edges  
nygiantfan : 9/4/2023 4:34 pm : link
to play smart as Dallas went to outside with runs a good amount last year too.

More interested in how Jackson and our rookie CBs hold up versus some veteran WRs and Dak. Recall Lamb did fairly well versus our guys last year and he even had a few big drops.
Well said Bsi  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/4/2023 5:03 pm : link
I think McCarthy understands this and is why he has been talking about running the ball more this season.

He says he wants to win TOP and keep turnovers down on offense.

We will see who wins the battle.
RE: Well said Bsi  
HBart : 9/4/2023 5:59 pm : link
In comment 16192272 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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I think McCarthy understands this and is why he has been talking about running the ball more this season.

He says he wants to win TOP and keep turnovers down on offense.

We will see who wins the battle.

And Schottenheimer leans toward running between the tackles. Interesting to see if they go that route knowing it plays right into our DL strength and depth.
Hopefully it doesn't suck the big D  
Blue Dream : 9/4/2023 6:21 pm : link
Like last year.
RE: .  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/4/2023 6:31 pm : link
In comment 16192219 pjcas18 said:
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'You tried to milk him, didn't you? You sick son of a bitch.'
Few things to consider from last year  
nygiants16 : 9/4/2023 7:27 pm : link
First gamr no Leonard Williams and it was the 1st game of the year for KT and Ojulari...

The Giants have upgraded big time from Jaylon Smith and Crowder to Okereke and Simmons...

That alone should make their run D much better, they also have added better depth behind Lawrence and Williams and adding Basham gives them another versatile edge that can stop the run
RE: RE: .  
GeoMan999 : 9/4/2023 7:30 pm : link
In comment 16192314 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 16192219 pjcas18 said:


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'You tried to milk him, didn't you? You sick son of a bitch.'


Bomb, bomb, bomb….
RE: I say Pollard has 24 carries, 124 yards, 2 td's. The Giants once  
joeinpa : 9/4/2023 7:52 pm : link
In comment 16192192 Jack Stroud said:
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again can not perform on natioanl tv and are the cowturd intimidation continues.


There have been many a loss to Dallas in prime time games. Hoping they put a stop to that trend Sunday Night.
Simmons may not get half the snaps  
mpinmaine : 9/5/2023 12:42 am : link
as he was signed so recently.
My view.


I also say that if we can shut down the run (in any game)

at that point we can play good in the secondary..gotta stuff that run, I think the giants have a decent chance to do so.

Opening week, wink, wrinkles,

Both sides of

this game will have something of a surprise if they need it I feel.

offensively
RE: Simmons may not get half the snaps  
HBart : 9/5/2023 8:42 am : link
In comment 16192479 mpinmaine said:
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as he was signed so recently.
My view.


I also say that if we can shut down the run (in any game)

at that point we can play good in the secondary..gotta stuff that run, I think the giants have a decent chance to do so.

Opening week, wink, wrinkles,

Both sides of

this game will have something of a surprise if they need it I feel.

offensively

Dallas coach McCarthy said a challenge of preparing for a game one is that 1/3 of the plays will be unscouted.
RE: RE: Simmons may not get half the snaps  
fanatic II : 9/5/2023 9:49 am : link
In comment 16192527 HBart said:
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In comment 16192479 mpinmaine said:


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as he was signed so recently.
My view.


I also say that if we can shut down the run (in any game)

at that point we can play good in the secondary..gotta stuff that run, I think the giants have a decent chance to do so.

Opening week, wink, wrinkles,

Both sides of

this game will have something of a surprise if they need it I feel.

offensively


Dallas coach McCarthy said a challenge of preparing for a game one is that 1/3 of the plays will be unscouted.


This applies to the Dallas offense also. They have installed a new offense with a new play caller this year. The analytics of tendencies for Dallas will be unknown.
Pollard getting 24  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/5/2023 9:49 am : link
for 124 can be very different with how those yards are obtained. If he or any back had a couple big runs but many of the others are minimal gains then Wink could still utilize his blitz packages and have favorable down/distance situations.

If they are getting high carries with consistent 4-5 yards then that makes it more challenging.

The first game played out this way last year with the Giants the team that got a couple big runs. Dallas had more carries and was very consistent in gains. Giants gave up a lot of sacks (Neal 3) and Jones had a turnover.
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christian : 9/5/2023 10:00 am : link
It's interesting LOS to see how much your view of the run game has evolved from the days where you relentlessly abused the board about the virtues of 4 YPC (then 4.2) and 30 carries.

Do you mean to say you just can't look at the counting stats and create causation to wins?

I have a tear in my. Our little Mikey is grownz up.
RE: RE: RE: Simmons may not get half the snaps  
HBart : 9/5/2023 10:01 am : link
In comment 16192565 fanatic II said:
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In comment 16192527 HBart said:


Quote:


In comment 16192479 mpinmaine said:


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as he was signed so recently.
My view.


I also say that if we can shut down the run (in any game)

at that point we can play good in the secondary..gotta stuff that run, I think the giants have a decent chance to do so.

Opening week, wink, wrinkles,

Both sides of

this game will have something of a surprise if they need it I feel.

offensively


Dallas coach McCarthy said a challenge of preparing for a game one is that 1/3 of the plays will be unscouted.



This applies to the Dallas offense also. They have installed a new offense with a new play caller this year. The analytics of tendencies for Dallas will be unknown.

Yup. Should be especially fun.
If the Giants slow down their run and keep Dallas pass rush in check  
OBJ_AllDay : 9/5/2023 10:17 am : link
I love their chances. Dak is going to be throwing us some gifts Sunday night if he gets into poor down and distance
Abused the board  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/5/2023 10:48 am : link
-okay Christian. The very few people I had issue with share the same profile. Very insecure who like to tell me how intelligent they and what they have done in life.

Continue with your fantasy though.

If I need to know what time it is I will reach out to you. Just the time please. I don't have a lot of confidence in your clock building.

Seems like I have gotten into your head a bit. Just maybe I hit on some truths about you.

Best to play elsewhere and with posters more aligned with your thoughts. Good luck.



...  
christian : 9/5/2023 11:25 am : link
LOS I really enjoy our back-and-forth.

Maybe you weren't around for the old times on BBI, but this board has always had a flavor of ribbing each other.

I can sense maybe you're taking this way more seriously than I am. I'm always light hearted with you, and just poke fun at some of the inconsistencies in your posts. As you certainly are welcome to do with mine.

I mean it with all my heart old chap. I'm glad you've come around that the counting stats in the run game don't mean much. It wasn't pretty watching you flopping around like a fish trying to make sense of them.
Christian  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/5/2023 11:36 am : link
Saying I am the worst poster in BBI history or that I should have been banned is not ribbing. Plenty of other beauties from you. It's very personnel imv.

Always best to not make assumptions as I have told you before. You may not like the outcome.

RE: Christian  
christian : 9/5/2023 11:42 am : link
In comment 16192656 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Saying I am the worst poster in BBI history or that I should have been banned is not ribbing. Plenty of other beauties from you. It's very personnel imv.

Always best to not make assumptions as I have told you before. You may not like the outcome.


I think this is a good example of me ribbing you, and you threatening me, which I file under You taking this way more seriously than I am.

And free advice, I would never go the mods over anything, but threatening posters is a great way to get yourself banned old pal.
The onus of proof  
RetroJint : 9/5/2023 12:25 pm : link
is strictly on the Giants . The Cowboys have had the Giants by the balls for sometime , not quite being made their bitches like the Eagles have done , but similar. The final scores of last season’s games were not indicative of how much the Cowboys dominated .

The Giants need to hold Lamb and Pollard in reasonable check . And in the red zone , watch the 3 tight ends .

For the Giants C and ROT will be marked men . Neal was hideous against Dallas last season . He was clueless blocking one-man over stunts .

As to the topic point , the Dallas running attack will not win the game . But it might finish the game . Optimism abounds for the Giants , and rightly so. However it must be tempered with realism . This is going to be a very difficult task.
RE: The onus of proof  
christian : 9/5/2023 7:06 pm : link
In comment 16192700 RetroJint said:
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For the Giants C and ROT will be marked men . Neal was hideous against Dallas last season . He was clueless blocking one-man over stunts .


The version of Neal that shows up early in the year will have an outsized impact on the W/L record.

How big of a liability he was early and late in the season cannot be ignored.

He was a game wrecker.
Today's NY Post  
HBart : 9/6/2023 6:09 am : link
Has 2 articles on the run D, including Neal's rematch. Nothing BBI didn't already know but still a fun read. From one, a reminder:

Tae Crowder and Austin Calitro started at inside linebacker while Justin Ellis and Nick Williams started next to star Dexter Lawrence on the defensive line in the first matchup.

Neither Crowder, Calitro nor Ellis are currently on an NFL roster, while Williams is a journeyman.
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