I'm really looking forward to seeing a more confident more dynamic Daniel Jones. Last time he was on the field he got put in the hurt locker. I hope he comes out angry.
that would be an area of concern...hasn't done it much and in a big game with bad weather. Just tell him to do the Coughlin strategy and just don't get anywhere near the punt.
I like the NYG coaching staff vs. McCarty. Dan Quinn and Parsons worry me though. I alo think Eric was right about the giants messing with the Cowboys by putting Waller on the injury report.
Are we just snakebit? What a drive to start off then…
No, we haven’t yet hit on an OL besides Thomas so the same thing happens. JMS and Neal are TBD, but until we fix that we are going to have issues and you can’t skill position (not that we have such great skill position players besides Barkley and Waller) your way out of it. We need Neal and JMS to be good and then go from there
Giants OL is still having a lot of trouble with speed rushers, just like last year. They also look like they aren't on the same page, which is making that problem worse. This is still an OL that is better going forward than backward.
You can be successful without an Oline. The Giants have been lacking this position for how long now?? smh. Also, Teh Giants not drafting Parsons will haunt the Giants for years to come. That's the facts..
Maybe shuffling the line constantly before the season
Gettleman did not want Toney at #20. Toney was a Judge pick. Gettleman apparently wanted Darrisaw. The question is whether he wanted the trade with Chicago, which made drafting Parsons impossible.
You're not wrong. I just hope the Giants don't go winless this regular season again against the Cowboys and Eagles. The only two games that I think they can win are this one and the last one of the season (the Eagles might not have anything to play for then).
RE: I can only listen via WFAN but it sounds bad....
Gettleman did not want Toney at #20. Toney was a Judge pick. Gettleman apparently wanted Darrisaw. The question is whether he wanted the trade with Chicago, which made drafting Parsons impossible.
I get the feeling Gettleman made that trade since Chicago clearly offered more than a ham sandwich. He just wouldn't have drafted Toney.
You're not wrong. I just hope the Giants don't go winless this regular season again against the Cowboys and Eagles. The only two games that I think they can win are this one and the last one of the season (the Eagles might not have anything to play for then).
all knew the interior of our OL was a big question mark, especially when Ezeudu in his second year couldn't seize the starting job from Bredeson. Glowinski is an aging veteran, and Schmitz is a rookie. And as someone said, it looks like we're still having trouble picking up stunts. The "hallmarks" of this team are showing up again: bad OL and bad ST.
The difference between Thibs and Parsons is noticeable.
Gettleman did not want Toney at #20. Toney was a Judge pick. Gettleman apparently wanted Darrisaw. The question is whether he wanted the trade with Chicago, which made drafting Parsons impossible.
I get the feeling Gettleman made that trade since Chicago clearly offered more than a ham sandwich. He just wouldn't have drafted Toney.
I think so too. He also wanted another #1 since so many players who were granted an extra year because of COVID-19 would be coming out.
Too many cute plays that people cannot execute. Daboll needs to get back to basics.
You could sort of see it in the preseason. Not enough game time for big players, defense was getting confused all the time.
… but the way Dallas has momentum and their defense has clear confidence to just fly around out there, it’s tough to see the Giants scoring 18 in this one.
see how this team deals with adversity. He’ll get a good dose now. So far they don’t look like they belong on the same field as Dallas.
A contender and a pretender.
Maybe I'll turn it on again later. But right now the o-line can't block and the receivers can't get open. And Daboll has abandoned the run for some stupid reason.
After all that talk by the announcers before this drive.
Only surprise was that it wasn't Jones that fumbled, since they highlighted his improvement last year.
If I weren't a somewhat rational human being, I'd almost think the game is scripted...
Maybe I'll turn it on again later. But right now the o-line can't block and the receivers can't get open. And Daboll has abandoned the run for some stupid reason.
I don't know if the receivers are open or not. The offensive live can't block them at all.
hope no one is going to blame this debacle on Jones. At this rate he'll be in the hospital by halftime. Even those early runs showed he was already running for his life.
Got to start thinking about changing the interior OL. The current combination of Bredeson, Schmitz, and Glowinski looks worse than than a high school team in pass protection.
hope no one is going to blame this debacle on Jones. At this rate he'll be in the hospital by halftime. Even those early runs showed he was already running for his life.
Got to start thinking about changing the interior OL. The current combination of Bredeson, Schmitz, and Glowinski looks worse than than a high school team in pass protection.
hope no one is going to blame this debacle on Jones. At this rate he'll be in the hospital by halftime. Even those early runs showed he was already running for his life.
Got to start thinking about changing the interior OL. The current combination of Bredeson, Schmitz, and Glowinski looks worse than than a high school team in pass protection.
This is really on coaches too, and especially Daboll. These guys look like they just met each other. OL need to develop cohesion, trust, and group-think. What have they been doing in practice and preseason?
I'm not sure I've ever seen an OL like this before. They are
This has been a constant going back 10-11 years and five coaching staffs. Even in the 2nd SB run, Giants OL was holding up on back of Eli and passing weapons.
Start to a season I can remember. Everything that can go wrong, has gone wrong. Bad snaps, blocked kicks, pick 6 on a tipped ball, Thomas limping, and Oline is getting manhandled.
Giants NEED a stop and a score. Otherwise this game will be over by halftime.
RE: Evan Neal spending a lot of time turning around
Reese's destruction of the OL so far has continued after DG's failed attempt and a big TBD from Schoen. In the NFCE having your QB produce 80 percent of your offense does not play well like Buffalo.
How many coaches/GMs are we going to cycle through before we get one that can actually build a team to match Philly or Dallas? I know that we need to show some patience with this current group, but I would hope that in year 2 it wouldn't look as bad or worse than in the first year... again.
Why in the fuck do these two teams consistently open against each other? It’s fucking asinine.
So Dallas can start 1-0 and get the hype machine started. That's also why it's on national TV.
Yes, I am sure it’s to plug the Dallas hype machine instead of like maybe we can good ratings from tv’s biggest market playing the most popular team in America.
But I can think of a few worse. That's how sad this franchise is. Like I said, we never just get "outplayed". When we lose, we fucking embarrass ourselves.
All but after watching many games today you can see a lot of teams were just flat, out of sync and not ready. It sucks that we lay down in front of Dallas and Philadelphia year after year.
Cowboys are dominating on both sides of the ball and of course ST as well. Their lines are destroying ours. This is embarrassing. We can't pass block and aren't generating any pass rush against Dak, who is essentially immobile.
This is Joe Judge part two. Yea yea I’m reactionary. But this is embarrassing on epic level. It always has to be embarrassing. Always.
It’s just one game. And It’s not over yet. And even if it is, Daboll has to rally his troops to get ready for Game 2.
Yea but it always has to be on national tv. And always has to be Dallas. I hope more than anything that you guys can put me on blast as a crow eating bitch. I pray for it. We are such a joke.
1994 ended with a winning streak, lots of optimism for ‘95, they play Dallas at home on MNF opening night and get absolutely destroyed 35-3 while Jerruh cavorts on the sideline. Same kick in the balls kind of feeling.
I know we want to blame one player but every player has played horrible.
Blame the coaches because every phase of this team was not ready to play tonight
Maybe the starters should have played in the preseason. When r we going to learn, when this team starts talking about how good they are, it’s time to roll our eyes and prepare to be disappointed.
Didn’t Parsons want to be a Giants? But of course Giants thought he was a character red flag, they prefer high class citizens like Deandre Baker and Eli Apple
Didn’t Parsons want to be a Giants? But of course Giants thought he was a character red flag, they prefer high class citizens like Deandre Baker and Eli Apple
Didn’t Parsons want to be a Giants? But of course Giants thought he was a character red flag, they prefer high class citizens like Deandre Baker and Eli Apple
Well, if we get to 26-7 at least we won't be shut out.
Then we see if our coaches can make adjustments and at least execute the 2nd half. I knew our interior OL would struggle but expected Neal to be better and well Thomas too.
another thing I hate about the Giants, play the Rookie! who cares they need weapons right now! Every other team with rookie WR's played them today?!?! Not the Giants...
Because you don’t suck as much at your jobs as the Giants do. Why dont you fucking play 1 Down in the preseason with your fucking starters? Goddamn, fucking bullshit. I fucking hate these guys. I spend my blood money on this. I visit this site 10 times a day. And this is what I get. I spend my blood money on this shit. Now I’m going home at halftime. Get laughed out of my stadium again. I’m done.
Didn’t Parsons want to be a Giants? But of course Giants thought he was a character red flag, they prefer high class citizens like Deandre Baker and Eli Apple
Yep, relied on the opinion of the Dline coach at the time who used to coach at Penn State. But hey, the Giants have Neal, KT, Waller and Hawkins instead of Parsons. Awesome.
If I'm them, I take a couple of knees and go into the locker room up 26-0 secure in knowing I get the ball to start the 3rd Quarter. They can also let the Giants stew. After that missed kick, the Giants are even more demoralized.
O line still sucks and we wasted 2 top 10 picks on Neal and Thibs. They both look asleep more often than not. Jones hoodwinked us all and is richer for it. Rookie corners I can live with as long as there is some growth this season. This is so tiresome. I keep trying to figure out what happened? Did the team sell its soul to beat Brady twice? Glad I didn’t pony up for Ticket. Same sad crap. Rinse, lather, repeat.
Fucking pussies! Fuck you Joe Shoen you pretty boy fag piece of shit. Ban me .I don’t give a shit. I’ll just rejoin with a dupe again like I did the last six time's. I spend my fucking blood money on this! Fuck you Giants! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Have fun banning me mods. Fuck you. Fuck you too. Fuck this whole site. Fuck the New York Giants. Fuck them forever. Fuck the faggot piece of shit owner John Mara. Fuck everybody! I’m out.
But before I go. Forever. Fuck the Cowboys. Fuck them forever. One day we will beat them. One day. And I will be there. I will be there instead of all you fucking faggots sitting on your mother‘s couches. Fuck you too.
And I think it’s bad enough this team may not recover. This is the most. Epic loss (so far) by this team I can remember. And it always happens in prime time. And it always happens against the fucking cowboys.
Daboll and Schoen must have bought into their own hype. And boy do I hope they come back and win to make me look stupid. I’m begging and praying for it. I’ll happily eat crow
This team has been a rudderless
Joke since Tom Coughlin walked out that door. It’s a fact. Yea we win here and there. But we are a fucking joke. JOKE
Whatever your job is. You don’t suck at it as much as the Giants do. You don’t talk shit as much as the Giants do. You don’t say people don’t believe in you as much of Giants do. And most importantly, you don’t steal $5000 a year from your season ticket holders like the Giants too. Be proud of yourself.
And you are a good person. bye-bye
And I think it’s bad enough this team may not recover. This is the most. Epic loss (so far) by this team I can remember. And it always happens in prime time. And it always happens against the fucking cowboys.
Daboll and Schoen must have bought into their own hype. And boy do I hope they come back and win to make me look stupid. I’m begging and praying for it. I’ll happily eat crow
This team has been a rudderless
Joke since Tom Coughlin walked out that door. It’s a fact. Yea we win here and there. But we are a fucking joke. JOKE
There is basically a zero percent chance the Giants come back.
Of course this sounds hyperbolic, but it isn’t wrong.
I expect a very very different team to come out and play starting as soon as next week. But if you have this standard of play for the full year? Yeah daboll should be gone.
Nice to see Simms, Hoss and Eli together at least.
He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.
He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.
He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.
Yeah the Oline hasn't been that bad...................
He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.
He definitely needs to overcome adversity. And take advantage of opportunities when available. But nothing is going right at this point. It's like falling out of airplane and the parachute won't open...
for Thomas the Ol is really bad, especially Neal. He clearly doesn't have the feet to play tackle, but Bredeson, Schmitz, and Glowinski were also bad. The OL will likely be a problem all season.
I'd like to see Ezeudu and McKethan in the second half, and although I can't believe I'm saying this, Peart. Neal should be benched.
Schoen improved the team speed everywhere except on the OL.
We also aren't generating any pass rush.
This game is still won in the trenches, and we are losing there on both sides of the ball.
Daboll is going to have to get their attention after this one. If they happen to drop a game next week to the Cards it’s off to San Fran on short rest.
This operation is going nowhere until they can beat Dallas and Philadelphia. What pisses me off is fucking Washington stumbles into wins every now and again vs those guys. With us it’s a 100% lead pipe lock loss.
He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.
The OL has been horrid.
It has.
Doesn’t excuse a QB from awful decision making and turnovers. QBs can’t melt under adversity like Jones seems to do sometimes.
Jones doesn’t get absolved from this. He’s been terrible tonight too.
He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.
The OL has been horrid.
Of course it has. But that doesn't excuse the awful pick which was thrown which led to a Dallas TD.
He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.
Then Schoen had better be looking at the top college qb’s this fall. Jones, who is being paid like he’s the answer, isn’t.
RE: Jones has zero time, he's running from the minute he gets the snap
but I'm not going to read much into it. The pass protection is abysmal, the weather is bad, and he was allowed to play a total of what, three drives in the entire preseason?
think Jones is rattled, which isn't surprising given that he's running for his life as soon as he touches the ball on every pass play. His OL is a sieve. He's desperate to make something happen as the QB and so is pressing.
He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.
The OL has been horrid.
It has.
Doesn’t excuse a QB from awful decision making and turnovers. QBs can’t melt under adversity like Jones seems to do sometimes.
Jones doesn’t get absolved from this. He’s been terrible tonight too.
Are we really pinning the first INT on Jones? Barkley wasn't touched by God, he was touched by the top of a helmet.
think Jones is rattled, which isn't surprising given that he's running for his life as soon as he touches the ball on every pass play. His OL is a sieve. He's desperate to make something happen as the QB and so is pressing.
Come on. That first INT clearly wasn't on Jones. It was the 2nd one. That was a horrific decision. That should be clear. The ensuing drive led to a Dallas TD.
He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.
Then Schoen had better be looking at the top college qb’s this fall. Jones, who is being paid like he’s the answer, isn’t.
No QB in the world can succeed with what we’re seeing from the offensive line tonight.
No other explanation. Over a decade of just shit OL play. It’s a joke
I don't get how other teams can run out 2nd and 3rd stringers and be competent, while Giants have thier starting unit - with guys they picked early in the draft -- and Jones can't even hit his back foot in his drop before he has to take off. Miami played w/o their LT today and had over 500 yards of offense.
Talent has improved but really missing key pieces. Still no pass rush, most of the ol sucks, no true #1 receiver. Though Jones isn’t entirely at fault, he once again also hasn’t done enough to overcome less than ideal play around him. He really struggles against good defenses and doesn’t see the whole field.
Bottom line is year after year it seems like we are always having the same discussions about deficiencies in the positions that win in this league.
That Waller is really making a difference in the offense!!
Come on. That first INT clearly wasn't on Jones. It was the 2nd one. That was a horrific decision. That should be clear. The ensuing drive led to a Dallas TD.
Absolutely. That second one was textbook Jones when he starts feeling a game getting away...which didn't happen much last season.
People on here saying turnoverS like the guy is handing them the ball
think Jones is rattled, which isn't surprising given that he's running for his life as soon as he touches the ball on every pass play. His OL is a sieve. He's desperate to make something happen as the QB and so is pressing.
This. Let him press, he might work something out that he can use in the future being that he’s saddled with this line.
Talent has improved but really missing key pieces. Still no pass rush, most of the ol sucks, no true #1 receiver. Though Jones isn’t entirely at fault, he once again also hasn’t done enough to overcome less than ideal play around him. He really struggles against good defenses and doesn’t see the whole field.
Bottom line is year after year it seems like we are always having the same discussions about deficiencies in the positions that win in this league.
Can’t argue with anything you wrote. It is spot-on.
If your OL stinks your toys cannot be used. I have never seen a worse OL in a half.
This. It doesn't matter how many times you change the coach or the quarterback or the receivers, if you have one of the worst offensive lines in the league, you are going to be a bad team.
He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.
The OL has been horrid.
It has.
Doesn’t excuse a QB from awful decision making and turnovers. QBs can’t melt under adversity like Jones seems to do sometimes.
Jones doesn’t get absolved from this. He’s been terrible tonight too.
Are we really pinning the first INT on Jones? Barkley wasn't touched by God, he was touched by the top of a helmet.
Of course not. Don’t be so dense.
But that 2nd pick was the knife into the jugular of this team for the night. Jones followed it up next two series with what looked like panic run audibles. Kafka also gets blame. When your OL is terrible and QB rattled, have to have better playbook and audible options than designed runs a fast DL can eat up with ease.
He forgot what got him the big contract was playing a smart game manager role. He’s trying to make plays instead playing within his limits. Not to excuse the incredibly poor OL and what appears to be a major bust at RT.
They can’t always try to patch the holes with free agents. There are to many teams in this league that draft a Thibodeaux and Neal and get an immediate stud. They may develop into that but there are many teams in this league where that happens immediately.
Universally regarded as a top ten pick. No GM would have been criticized for taking him at 7.
Sometimes the entire league mis-evaluates a college prospect. It happens. But it’s still just one game into the new season and Evan Neal can still improve.
That was a drop, but that was a bad throw to Hyatt. He threw it behind Campbell as well.
Jones having a bad night. He is sucking wind for sure. But, He is rattled and I don't blame him. This OL is fucking putrid again. I knew this OL would be our downfall this year. So tired of it. And Daboll should have played the starters more in preseason. They are clearly not even close to ready.
halftime down 4 scores. The difference here is that the giants are at home and need to show some pride. If Dallas scores an opening 2nd half TD, it's quitting time for these guys.
Knew they would be playing Dallas since May and look completely unprepared for the game.
The mentality of the team is bothering me too. It's simply not there. It's flat and I don't understand how that is possible in an opening primetime game against a rival like the Cowboys.
As for that second INT, he was desperate, running for his life and trying to make something happen.
No doubt he’s under duress but as it has been against the better teams in this league, he doesnt do much to overcome or elevate the play around him and crumbles with everyone else. Unfortunately, you can’t pay big bucks for a qb like that in this league. I think at this point we know what Jones is, he can be very god against mediocre or bad defenses, but really struggles against quality teams in this league. This is now back to back putrid starts against division opponents. It’s concerning whether or not you want to admit it.
Knew they would be playing Dallas since May and look completely unprepared for the game.
The mentality of the team is bothering me too. It's simply not there. It's flat and I don't understand how that is possible in an opening primetime game against a rival like the Cowboys.
The reduced preseason and inability to run vigorous practices is hurting the league. Some teams seem to come out better than others, but the last few years when you look across the league you see a lot of rust the first 2-3 weeks.
Jones has about 1 second to throw on every snap. None of this is on him. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot and doesn’t understand how football works.
It doesn't matter anymore now that Dallas has scored another TD, but at least that was something. This one's beyond over. Welcome to 1995 embarrassment territory on MNF on Opening Night.
Fucking pussies! Fuck you Joe Shoen you pretty boy fag piece of shit. Ban me .I don’t give a shit. I’ll just rejoin with a dupe again like I did the last six time's. I spend my fucking blood money on this! Fuck you Giants! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Have fun banning me mods. Fuck you. Fuck you too. Fuck this whole site. Fuck the New York Giants. Fuck them forever. Fuck the faggot piece of shit owner John Mara. Fuck everybody! I’m out.
Why would they ban YOU coach DaBoll?
But before I go. Forever. Fuck the Cowboys. Fuck them forever. One day we will beat them. One day. And I will be there. I will be there instead of all you fucking faggots sitting on your mother‘s couches. Fuck you too.
As for that second INT, he was desperate, running for his life and trying to make something happen.
No doubt he’s under duress but as it has been against the better teams in this league, he doesnt do much to overcome or elevate the play around him and crumbles with everyone else. Unfortunately, you can’t pay big bucks for a qb like that in this league. I think at this point we know what Jones is, he can be very god against mediocre or bad defenses, but really struggles against quality teams in this league. This is now back to back putrid starts against division opponents. It’s concerning whether or not you want to admit it.
Exactly. Can't wait to pick up Pat Mahomes off the waiver wire. He couldn't even elevate Toney
THERES JAGS LIKE WARD AND MCCLOUD OUT THERERE LOLOLOLOL
Every team has JAGs out there in spots. The problem is we have key units like the OL where JAGs would actually be an improvement. Give this team an OL of 5 JAGs and this would be a different game.
Jones having a bad night. He is sucking wind for sure. But, He is rattled and I don't blame him. This OL is fucking putrid again. I knew this OL would be our downfall this year. So tired of it. And Daboll should have played the starters more in preseason. They are clearly not even close to ready.
Jones got 80M+ dollars because he was smart and ultra-accurate with the ball last year.
It's not too much to expect him to do what he did last year.
The line was putrid last year and Jones kept his head above water. He's got to do it again.
Jones has about 1 second to throw on every snap. None of this is on him. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot and doesn’t understand how football works.
These posts are so ridiculous. The 2nd pick was on Jones. Because the OL sucks it allows him to make unforced errors? That is such bullshit.
Don't remind the forum. That's gonna be a beat down against that defensive front. People will see soon why fans wanted to play Minnesota in the playoffs and not Frisco.
RE: Let's face it the Giants don't want to be here
and they're less competitive than last year. wtaf?
I know it doesn't make much sense. The on;y thing I can think of is, you can't make it in the NFL without an Oline, and the Giants just ignored it for to long.
this point, I'd expect effort to be lacking. Everyone just wants the game to be over and not get hurt. We completely embarrassed.
Like everyone else, I just don't understand why after 10 plus years we still don't even have a decent OL. Other teams rebuild their OL in a few years, but for us, the task is apparently impossible.
The reduced preseason and inability to run vigorous practices is hurting the league. Some teams seem to come out better than others, but the last few years when you look across the league you see a lot of rust the first 2-3 weeks.
This is how I’m trying to look at it. Week 1, weird shit happens
The fear I have is that Schoen was a rookie GM was still working with DG's leftover scouts as he couldn't fire everybody.
Lol. Schoen was relying on the work of a bad GM who was canned, while not doing his own work? If true, he should be fired immediately, but that’s a ridiculous theory
As for that second INT, he was desperate, running for his life and trying to make something happen.
Agreed.
There was also that interception that hooker dropped.. And other bad passes..
Maybe at some point we get him an OLine so we can see if he is an NFL qb. Sorry, might not be his fault but he is still a mediocre qb. Do you believe you win championships with him? Anyway. It’s not the time.
Jones has about 1 second to throw on every snap. None of this is on him. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot and doesn’t understand how football works.
Speaking of idiots who don't understand how football works, what's your take on Evan Neal tonight?
The fear I have is that Schoen was a rookie GM was still working with DG's leftover scouts as he couldn't fire everybody.
Lol. Schoen was relying on the work of a bad GM who was canned, while not doing his own work? If true, he should be fired immediately, but that’s a ridiculous theory
He wasn't working with DG's work, but he was working with a lot of DG's scouts. You can't exactly scout college games if you're hired in January and it's too late to literally fire everybody.
It's why you often see scouts let go AFTER drafts.
keep talking about OL, but I have major concerns with our secondary and coverage on defense holding up. If Ojulari and Thibs don’t sustain better one on one pressures so Wink doesn’t blitz like crazy all the time, this defense won’t holdup.
They need to get #73 off the TV.
Daniel Jones needs to pay his fucking contract back. This is just embarrassing. Going to be another LONG season 0-4 vs eagles and cowboys easily.
Or else we’ll be in a familiar spot: season over by Columbus Day and we’re talking draft..nobody wants that shit again..
Next week is a must win.
Thursday night against the miners to avoid 0 and 3. Not good place to be.
This is why I said must win. That SF game is about as lock of a sure L as there is on the schedule. We lose next week it’s over. Still have 3 losses beyond that with Dallas/Philly.
keep talking about OL, but I have major concerns with our secondary and coverage on defense holding up. If Ojulari and Thibs don’t sustain better one on one pressures so Wink doesn’t blitz like crazy all the time, this defense won’t holdup.
I don't know if we can properly evaluate the defense given the hole they were in when they finally took the field.
The dude has been a beast for 2 season in a row for the Colts?! Is it our coaching staff?? Why do players come to the Giants and regress?? and when the leave they become studs again??
those first 6 min were such a tease. I was actually a believer. Then it all imploded in the worst way possible. Only thing that could make this worse is if it was against the eagles
The dude has been a beast for 2 season in a row for the Colts?! Is it our coaching staff?? Why do players come to the Giants and regress?? and when the leave they become studs again??
He forced a fumble but of course, it bounced right to Dallas.
I'd actually seriously consider firing him after this. Thomas' career was saved when Columbo was fired, maybe Evans is saved by Johnson getting the axe.
We have our answer. It's not about the QB, not about shiny new weapons. This team has no answer at either guard position and right tackle, and so far the new center is getting torched. 4/5s of the oline looks like they don't belong on an NFL field. This is...what it is.
But this is different. Everyone is vulnerable in this weather, especially the guy getting sacked a million times.
The score of this game will be what it is, and it sucks royally but they have to move on quickly. Thankfully there is a winnable game next week against the Cards but now the importance of that game is heightened.
Our QB can't take this many hits in a game. 6 sacks, 10 runs most of which ended in a hit. Several other hits on drop backs. Plus he's running for his life.
-the Giants do this after a surprising season last year
-UVA football is the laughingstock of Division I
-worst Yankees season in 30 years
-UVA basketball had yet another first round upset in the most embarrassing fashion possible
-the Rangers and Knicks are the best of the bunch and that is the saddest statement I can imagine
looks like the great the destruction of LOS under Reese extended by Dave continues. It was never going to be easy to come out of so much damage but it's been long enough.
Bill and Tom are too old to fix it. It's JS/Bd's turn but a big fail to start.
bench Neal to send a message. It should have happened at halftime. Put in Peart. As I said, I would have also benched Glowinski.
Take all the starters out at this point.
100% this. You have to set the fucking tone. You don’t let it slide cause it’s game one. Parcells would have murdered all of them at half time. Literally made them stop living on earth. Pathetic. Daboll has a deeeeeeep hole to climb out of. Deeeeep
just wanted to play, didn't matter whether it was guard or tackle. Doesn't look like he's a tackle. There has to be someone we can replace him with and slide him inside.
transition to guard for Neal won't happen this year. It would have to wait until the offseason. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't have been benched no later than halftime. I would have put in Peart. He can't be any worse (no one could) and it tells Neal that his play is unacceptable.
Many of us knew the guards needed an upgrade this coming off-season. Adding a RT as well only extends the process of getting this fucking OL corrected once and for all. Neal has to be an answer.
I think Neal is too tall with too high a center of gravity
just wanted to play, didn't matter whether it was guard or tackle. Doesn't look like he's a tackle. There has to be someone we can replace him with and slide him inside.
1- Taking draft position into account, Schoen's first 2 picks, Thibs and Neal, may be his worst so far. Have they looked at Neal at RG at all, maybe there's a way to salvage him. Is Bobby Johnson really an OL guru? Who has he made better?
2- Adoree Jackson was horrible in the slot tonight. Couldn'td cover anyone and got washed out on run plays. When Banks went out they replaced him with McCloud. Why not replace him with AJ and put Holmes in the slot?
3-There is a real chance that we will need to acquire 3 starters on the OL for next season, and that is with giving JMS the benefit of the doubt
4-We are not as bad as we look tonight. But we are also not a threat to win the SB this year.
Many of us knew the guards needed an upgrade this coming off-season. Adding a RT as well only extends the process of getting this fucking OL corrected once and for all. Neal has to be an answer.
I guess no cigars for Dabs tonight.
He should be embarrassed by this display.
Hopefully he has a nice bed at Quest as he should spend the week there trying to correct this debacle.
exactly. 80-0 costs the same as 21-20. I feel bad for the guy who had to load the TOUCHDOWN FIREWORKS silos in the rain before the game. I think Nathaniel Hackett called him "the fucker."
It’s not the loss …kc wasnt embarrassed at home like this
I am sure KC was embarrassed. They did not expect to lose. I think most Giants fans expected to be eviscerated like this. At home in prime time against Dallas. Like whipped dogs.
Iits like the 1995 Monday Night “closed the gap” gam when Smith waved “bye bye” to our season on his long TD run.
This was never even a game. On the Giants first drive it felt good. But once that blocked FG happened the team looked beaten.
It’s hard to fathom.
SHUT OUT????
SHUT OUT????
(As of right now)
All of the good feeling? All that was accomplished last year?
All of the upgrades? All of the praise for Shoen and Daboll?
It all disappeared after ONE QUARTER of this game.
Picked up right where he left off, maybe even worse. He needs to get benched and maybe earn a spot at one of the guard spots if he really works at it. What’s bust.
Iits like the 1995 Monday Night “closed the gap” gam when Smith waved “bye bye” to our season on his long TD run.
This was never even a game. On the Giants first drive it felt good. But once that blocked FG happened the team looked beaten.
It’s hard to fathom.
SHUT OUT????
SHUT OUT????
(As of right now)
All of the good feeling? All that was accomplished last year?
All of the upgrades? All of the praise for Shoen and Daboll?
It all disappeared after ONE QUARTER of this game.
I just can’t belief that played this badly.
Yep. I guess the last question left is do we even score?
I'm sure Daboll wants at least one positive drive. Probably won't happen.
That's what's happening. Even Dabes will say no mas at a vertain point though. I'm guessing that'll be around the 10 minute to 7.5 minute mark of the 4th Qtr wjen he pulls the plug and puts TT in at QB and then proceeds to empty the bench everywhere else. Pride's at stake too.
thought Neal was going to be good this year after showing absolutely nothing last year. Not trying to call anyone out...just don't understand where the logic was coming from.
running stunts and shuffling the alignment pre-snap, only to watch the Dallas line stonewall everything and Dak delivers a pass on the money from a quiet pocket.
getting open because the Cowboys are getting to Jones with just four or five rushers. That leaves six or seven defenders they can drop back into coverage.
I’m going to wonder if this game would have been different
Had Thomas not committed that false start on the first drive and that drive resulted in a TD. Maybe we still lose 40-7, but we’d have a brief few minutes of good vibes. Instead, we got nothing all night to feel good about. Just angst.
lot of people, including myself, wanted Neal. Cross of course would have been better. But we're not professional scouts getting paid thousands of dollars to make those picks.
thought Neal was going to be good this year after showing absolutely nothing last year. Not trying to call anyone out...just don't understand where the logic was coming from.
Yep. He is plying even worse than last year, hard to regress from that. I called it out as a key to the season, was our success depended on Neal becoming even average. Him not improving at all and this season is over. They need to see what other guys can do at RT, Peart can’t possibly be worse. Neal needs to go to the bench and work on competing for an OG job. He is not a tackle.
thought Neal was going to be good this year after showing absolutely nothing last year. Not trying to call anyone out...just don't understand where the logic was coming from.
He went out and worked to get better by working with Willie Anderson. My hope here, like when you change your swing in golf, is you get worse for a while before you get better. That’s really all I can hang my hat on with Neal at the moment. If this is who he is, the NYG are f’ed.
thought Neal was going to be good this year after showing absolutely nothing last year. Not trying to call anyone out...just don't understand where the logic was coming from.
Yep. He is plying even worse than last year, hard to regress from that. I called it out as a key to the season, was our success depended on Neal becoming even average. Him not improving at all and this season is over. They need to see what other guys can do at RT, Peart can’t possibly be worse. Neal needs to go to the bench and work on competing for an OG job. He is not a tackle.
Peary is terrible too. They all suck. And Thomas looks hobbled again.
won't happen, but the starting OL next week should be:
Thomas.
Ezeudu.
Bredeson.
McKethan.
Peart.
Lemieux is the best LG option, and JMS needs to stay at C bc there’s hope he’ll develop. I’d move Ben Bredeson to RG. Ezeudu is too inconsistent. I’d like to see a McKethan play RT, he looks the part.
and most of those douche bags wearing Cowboy gear have neevr been close to Texas.
So true. Cowboys fans from Texas are actually alright. One of my longtime friends is from Dallas. Good peeps. NY/NJ Cowboys fans are the scum of the Earth though. Ugh.
is much worse than 1995 IMO, and not just because the score is now 40-0. The expectations were a lot higher for this team, and we haven't beaten Dak since his rookie season.
thought Neal was going to be good this year after showing absolutely nothing last year. Not trying to call anyone out...just don't understand where the logic was coming from.
He went out and worked to get better by working with Willie Anderson. My hope here, like when you change your swing in golf, is you get worse for a while before you get better. That’s really all I can hang my hat on with Neal at the moment. If this is who he is, the NYG are f’ed.
I hope that's the problem. The only pass you can give him at this point is it's the first game of the season and Dallas has good players. His PFF score will be interesting
And nothing suggests that this might change. Next week will be worth taking another look just to see, but the present personnel look jfundamentally unsound.
won't happen, but the starting OL next week should be:
Thomas.
Ezeudu.
Bredeson.
McKethan.
Peart.
Lemieux is the best LG option, and JMS needs to stay at C bc there’s hope he’ll develop. I’d move Ben Bredeson to RG. Ezeudu is too inconsistent. I’d like to see a McKethan play RT, he looks the part.
Fine with me. Just don't trot out the same five as this week, although I think that's what Daboll will unfortunately do.
Gonna be wild when the cardinals kick our ass next week
These guys look like it's the first time they've played football in a year or two and the game plan was to try a couple of things and see how it rolls.
This is honestly so bad I’m not sure I’m even going to take much stock into it. This is a bad dream. None of it makes sense. Just flush it and move onto next week.
in calm, objective language why this OL is so friggin bad.
You put an untested rookie C in prime time against an elite defensive front and asked him to make line calls and adjustments. Evan Neal looks like he’s just as bad at football as he was last season. Glowinski is an aging backup G at this point.
not losing to Dallas, we are used to this, but the blowout fashion. Did they beat us by more than a score or two at all last year?
I recall the game at home against the Cowboys last season being competitive until the 4th Qtr with the Giants having their moments. This is something else. A bad start is ok. %hit happens. How they responded was alarming. This club still can't play form behind.
This is honestly so bad I’m not sure I’m even going to take much stock into it. This is a bad dream. None of it makes sense. Just flush it and move onto next week.
I’ve felt that way since midway through the 1st Quarter…
tonight was the first night my son wanted to sit down and watch a football game with his dad. He has never been interested in football before.. and this is what we had to watch..
Ive been a Giants fan for 45 plus years.. and I have NEVER been as disgusted with this team as I am tonight.. and its not even losing is them completely embarrassing the hell out of themselves.
Absolutely RUINED what should have been a special father and son evening.
We heard that Jones had to get the ball downfield more often and they put a lot of emphasis on receivers.
Not true. What we learned from the Giants' four Super Bowl wins is that if you protect the quarterback he can make any set of receivers look good.
The only player who was a highly paid star was Plax.
Parcells: Stephen Baker, Mark Ingram, Lionel Manuel
Coughlin: David Tyree, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham. Victor Cruz
I think all were out of football three years later.
Agree with your point, but Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham. Victor Cruz was perhaps the best trio of WRs in the league that year. We don't win if Eli had our WR core last year on that team.
Fucking pussies! Fuck you Joe Shoen you pretty boy fag piece of shit. Ban me .I don’t give a shit. I’ll just rejoin with a dupe again like I did the last six time's. I spend my fucking blood money on this! Fuck you Giants! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Have fun banning me mods. Fuck you. Fuck you too. Fuck this whole site. Fuck the New York Giants. Fuck them forever. Fuck the faggot piece of shit owner John Mara. Fuck everybody! I’m out.
But before I go. Forever. Fuck the Cowboys. Fuck them forever. One day we will beat them. One day. And I will be there. I will be there instead of all you fucking faggots sitting on your mother‘s couches. Fuck you too.
Cowboys defense is talented. Highest pressure rate last year, and Dan Quinn is taking (has taken every fucking game he's coached against us) our coaching staff to school. I posted this about 1000 times in all the prediction threads. I was terrified of this game because I had no confidence in the OL. And here we are. A fucking embarrassment on national TV. Again. I literally want to beat the fuck out of my friends that are Dallas fans (of which I have many). Because they are not going to let me hear the end of this fucking nightmare.
tonight was the first night my son wanted to sit down and watch a football game with his dad. He has never been interested in football before.. and this is what we had to watch..
Ive been a Giants fan for 45 plus years.. and I have NEVER been as disgusted with this team as I am tonight.. and its not even losing is them completely embarrassing the hell out of themselves.
Absolutely RUINED what should have been a special father and son evening.
I feel for you. At the end of the day, that hurts more than any loss. Hopefully he sticks with it.
I’m not sure why Tyrod Taylor isn’t handing the ball
He’s a little full of himself sometimes in a Judge-ian, Belichickesque fashion. A friend of mine texted me that they should rescind the Coach of the Year award from him. The Eagles playoff beat down was bad enough. This to start the year in prime time against a division rival?
Just to save myself the anguish. Just checked back in and I’m just crushed that we have just completely crumbled as a team. Where do we go from here? Dabs,Schoen, Neal, Jones , Kayvon? WTF? Where do we go from here?
Just to save myself the anguish. Just checked back in and I’m just crushed that we have just completely crumbled as a team. Where do we go from here? Dabs,Schoen, Neal, Jones , Kayvon? WTF? Where do we go from here?
Hopefully they get mad and take it out on next week's opponent.
They got punched in the mouth. They got knocked down. Let's see if they get back up and fight.
Besides, Jones has some things to prove but toughness ain’t one of them. I’d argue he’s a guy who so tough he needs to be saved from himself at times. Like tonight for example.
How in such terrible weather, losing by 40, 4 minutes to go and even Dallas has pulled their starters....you leave your starting QB (and others) in the game.
What the hell? I feel like I'm watching Joe Judge decision making again.
RE: The Breida fumble shows you what kind of a night this has been.
How in such terrible weather, losing by 40, 4 minutes to go and even Dallas has pulled their starters....you leave your starting QB (and others) in the game.
What the hell? I feel like I'm watching Joe Judge decision making again.
I also hate going for it on 4th and long in these situations.
How in such terrible weather, losing by 40, 4 minutes to go and even Dallas has pulled their starters....you leave your starting QB (and others) in the game.
What the hell? I feel like I'm watching Joe Judge decision making again.
Maybe he is hoping that DJ will get hurt. Hahahaha
The concerning part of this game is obviously how hapless the offensive line has been
If this is an indication of their abilities, there is no overcoming such a deficiency
But fans who conclude from tonight that there is no hope, don’t understand competition. There are just times when the game, match, whatever overwhelms you.
The concerning part of this game is obviously how hapless the offensive line has been
If this is an indication of their abilities, there is no overcoming such a deficiency
But fans who conclude from tonight that there is no hope, don’t understand competition. There are just times when the game, match, whatever overwhelms you.
i dont think i could of predicted this, everything that could go wrong did go wrong, Neal and Glowinski played as bad as you could possibly play, the offense did absokutely nothing..
The blocked field goal seemed to take the wind out of the team and thats unaccapetable...
This was utterly embarrassing and Daboll is a good coach but he needs to sit there and tske all the slings and arrows
The concerning part of this game is obviously how hapless the offensive line has been
If this is an indication of their abilities, there is no overcoming such a deficiency
But fans who conclude from tonight that there is no hope, don’t understand competition. There are just times when the game, match, whatever overwhelms you.
Season isn’t over, it s just beginning.
This exactly. Been watching for over 50 years and you are correct sir.
The concerning part of this game is obviously how hapless the offensive line has been
If this is an indication of their abilities, there is no overcoming such a deficiency
But fans who conclude from tonight that there is no hope, don’t understand competition. There are just times when the game, match, whatever overwhelms you.
Season isn’t over, it s just beginning.
This game sets the tone for the season. Worst game played by any team all weekend on nationally televised stage. I'll be surprised if we win an in division game this season after watching this honestly. We definitely will be 0-4 again vs Dallas and Philly. And I don't see this bag of shitballs beating Washington either.
Sadly, the last 10+ years of Giants football have allowed me to develop lots of scar tissue. Losses are much easier to deal with, even ass kickings. What a shit franchise.
tonight was the first night my son wanted to sit down and watch a football game with his dad. He has never been interested in football before.. and this is what we had to watch..
Ive been a Giants fan for 45 plus years.. and I have NEVER been as disgusted with this team as I am tonight.. and its not even losing is them completely embarrassing the hell out of themselves.
Absolutely RUINED what should have been a special father and son evening.
I feel for you. First impressions are hard to shake. Probably switch to a top 5 college team this year for the indoctrination. Gonna be a long season in NJ
Calling for the Giants to get DJ out of the game. Papa was like, "the Cowboys are playing chess, while the Giants are playing checkers."
Hey, don't knock checkers. Giants were playing rock, paper scissors, only they kept putting out their hand after seeing what the other side did, and still always losing.
NYG had better win next week as the rest of the division could go 2-0. They lose, with a TNF game in SF after that, and you can turn the lights out on 2023.
If Thomas is out for a while, they’re f’ed.
The concerning part of this game is obviously how hapless the offensive line has been
If this is an indication of their abilities, there is no overcoming such a deficiency
But fans who conclude from tonight that there is no hope, don’t understand competition. There are just times when the game, match, whatever overwhelms you.
Season isn’t over, it s just beginning.
It's not that there is no hope, but they aren't anywhere near Dallas and Philly. The last two games the Giants were humiliated by each team. It was a really shitty reality check. This team isn't close to Dallas, Philly or SF.
I'd absolutely sign for 3-4. This schedule is brutal.
NYG had better win next week as the rest of the division could go 2-0. They lose, with a TNF game in SF after that, and you can turn the lights out on 2023.
If Thomas is out for a while, they’re f’ed.
Caleb Williams?
Next jackass who utters the phrase "closed the gap"
tonight was the first night my son wanted to sit down and watch a football game with his dad. He has never been interested in football before.. and this is what we had to watch..
Ive been a Giants fan for 45 plus years.. and I have NEVER been as disgusted with this team as I am tonight.. and its not even losing is them completely embarrassing the hell out of themselves.
Absolutely RUINED what should have been a special father and son evening.
I feel for you. First impressions are hard to shake. Probably switch to a top 5 college team this year for the indoctrination. Gonna be a long season in NJ
Sorry man
My son is 7 and doesn’t care about football
For me he uses a Giants Lunch bag
I’m waiting for him to tell me tomorrow he took crap for it
This is what everyone here said about Evan Neal from last years performance. If there’s anything you should know over this past decade being a Giant fan is none of us truly know what rock bottom is for this organization honestly.
I forget the year, it may have been as far back as the 90's...
This is what everyone here said about Evan Neal from last years performance. If there’s anything you should know over this past decade being a Giant fan is none of us truly know what rock bottom is for this organization honestly.
Evan Neal will be a good guard next year. He cannot play tackle at the NFL level.
NYG had better win next week as the rest of the division could go 2-0. They lose, with a TNF game in SF after that, and you can turn the lights out on 2023.
If Thomas is out for a while, they’re f’ed.
If they lost next week, they easily could start 0-6
NYG had better win next week as the rest of the division could go 2-0. They lose, with a TNF game in SF after that, and you can turn the lights out on 2023.
If Thomas is out for a while, they’re f’ed.
Caleb Williams?
The need is OL, but if they believe deep down in their conscience that Jones really isn’t the answer, as I do, then you have to explore possibilities at that position.
NYG had better win next week as the rest of the division could go 2-0. They lose, with a TNF game in SF after that, and you can turn the lights out on 2023.
If Thomas is out for a while, they’re f’ed.
If they lost next week, they easily could start 0-6
The concerning part of this game is obviously how hapless the offensive line has been
If this is an indication of their abilities, there is no overcoming such a deficiency
But fans who conclude from tonight that there is no hope, don’t understand competition. There are just times when the game, match, whatever overwhelms you.
Season isn’t over, it s just beginning.
This exactly. Been watching for over 50 years and you are correct sir.
Exactly. Steelers and Bengals fans don't feel any better than we do and they had high expectations too.
It's a humbling league
I am more disappointed in how ill prepared this team was.
Every phase of the game was horrible and the coaches looked stunned all game.
The franchise took a step backwards today after all the forward momentum.
It has become an important week not that we need to win next week but how this coaching staff and organization recover.
In the immediate past this would be the beginning of the end and true colors show up.
Hopefully they do and say all the right things and correct the direction.
Kinda a lynch pin moment
NYG had better win next week as the rest of the division could go 2-0. They lose, with a TNF game in SF after that, and you can turn the lights out on 2023.
If Thomas is out for a while, they’re f’ed.
Caleb Williams?
If we're in position to draft him, that means this team is the worst in football. You fire everybody down to the waterboy.
Neal is obviously far more concerning than Thibs, but Thibs has to pick it up too. He's not playing up to the expectation.
They were picked 5 and 7. It's bad enough to miss on one when you pick that high, you simply can't miss on both when you have two top 10 picks.
Thibs has only played like a star in national games... I am worried he is living up to his pre-draft negatives... doesn't give 100% effort on every play...
Thibs has only played like a star in national games... I am worried he is living up to his pre-draft negatives... doesn't give 100% effort on every play...
I never liked the selection of Thibs. Good player, but I just don't see where the greatness is. Just too stiff and one dimensional.
RIP Dad
Let's go Giants
RIP Dad
Let's go Giants
we’re with you brother
RIP Dad
Let's go Giants
My condolences for your loss. Let's win the game for your father.
Dak Fumbles and throws a pick
Dexter 2 Sacks, Parsons 2 Sacks
Lets
Go
Giants
RIP Dad
Let's go Giants
God bless you brother.
I’d co-sign for this.
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I’d co-sign for this.
+2.
He is the fullback!!!
My feed is really behind yours. I read ur message before the to here
Yes he does, hitting holes hard
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Had to burn a TO.
My feed is really behind yours. I read ur message before the to here
Sorry your feed is behind. Glad I could help.
Fudge
details?
These games count.
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Fuck me
details?
On twitter, he’s on sideline getting attention
please take a fork and stab yourself in the eye so you stop posting.
Dallas can't set the edge and their back five/six drop deep to try to cover any throw on the run.
Coaching
Yup
Link - ( New Window )
I like ur optimism
If Thomas is hurt along with that turnover TD, I can't imagine a worse start to this game.
Wow
Or Tyrod will be our QB the rest of the season.
Incompetence.
Our rookie center having a rough start to his career
This is I agree with. They should have held onto Crowder. The punter is meh too. Coverage units are a lil sus.
That punt was nearly blocked also.
Run game was working
Yes, the whole o line looks bad, but he looks particularly awful
No, we haven’t yet hit on an OL besides Thomas so the same thing happens. JMS and Neal are TBD, but until we fix that we are going to have issues and you can’t skill position (not that we have such great skill position players besides Barkley and Waller) your way out of it. We need Neal and JMS to be good and then go from there
Yes
Yes, I replied to the wrong post. Glowinski looks horrible.
[quote] Is a fucking stiff [/quote
He is. And so is Bredenson. Bargain basement guards.
- - AT false start.
- - JSM bad snap.
- - Glowinski a clown block.
You can;t make mistakes like that and think it won't affect the team for years..
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who whiffed, btw?
Yes, I replied to the wrong post. Glowinski looks horrible.
How many more picks can we throw at the line with the same results? Something deeper is wrong.
Our pass rush is non-existent. Cowboys seem to be able to find offensive linemen anywhere in or out of the draft.
Sometime the other team is better.
The Giants are on the right path
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Another year getting swept by Dallas…
Sometime the other team is better.
The Giants are on the right path
To where?
I think it was Judge and O'Brien who wanted Toney, not Gettleman. Those two dummies won out over DG.
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Another year getting swept by Dallas…
Sometime the other team is better.
The Giants are on the right path
It's been all the time the last few years. It gets old. Even Washington beats Dallas and Philly every now and then.
This is why I'm constantly a Debbie downer. Hype is imaginary. Show me actual evidence one of these years...
that was a judge pick
Exactly. See what a good offensive line can do?!
Doesn't that feel really familiar?
I'm not a "same old Giants" guy but I'd like to see a different script.
I’m getting 1995 vibes
Gettleman did not want Toney at #20. Toney was a Judge pick. Gettleman apparently wanted Darrisaw. The question is whether he wanted the trade with Chicago, which made drafting Parsons impossible.
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Another year getting swept by Dallas…
Sometime the other team is better.
The Giants are on the right path
You're not wrong. I just hope the Giants don't go winless this regular season again against the Cowboys and Eagles. The only two games that I think they can win are this one and the last one of the season (the Eagles might not have anything to play for then).
Team looks disjointed and out of sorts.
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that was a judge pick
Yep, from what I understanr, Judge wanted Toney
If it’s not called it must be legal.
Gettleman did not want Toney at #20. Toney was a Judge pick. Gettleman apparently wanted Darrisaw. The question is whether he wanted the trade with Chicago, which made drafting Parsons impossible.
I get the feeling Gettleman made that trade since Chicago clearly offered more than a ham sandwich. He just wouldn't have drafted Toney.
Yeah X looks a lot more comfortable as the box and blitz safety.
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Another year getting swept by Dallas…
Sometime the other team is better.
The Giants are on the right path
You're not wrong. I just hope the Giants don't go winless this regular season again against the Cowboys and Eagles. The only two games that I think they can win are this one and the last one of the season (the Eagles might not have anything to play for then).
I’m with you 💯
This game isn’t over as well!!!
Defense did ok. My biggest concern was the rookie Cns against the vet WRs. So far they have done well, Jackson got picked on the play to lamb.
Offense and ST has been shite though. They look like they are running drills in iractice
Doesn't that feel really familiar?
I'm not a "same old Giants" guy but I'd like to see a different script.
Yes. And generally in primetime against Cowboys or Eagles.
Could have been called. Wasn't.
Commanders were called today for marginal contact. That was a full block.
No pressure on Dak.
100% pressure on Jones
AT false start makes it a long third down and then JSM struggles with wet ball.
Five minutes later - 9-0.
A blocked FG and a pick play that wasn't called, that's their points.
Yep. Bullshit noncall
That a terrible no call for sure
C'mon guys, have some faith here....
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Gettleman did not want Toney at #20. Toney was a Judge pick. Gettleman apparently wanted Darrisaw. The question is whether he wanted the trade with Chicago, which made drafting Parsons impossible.
I get the feeling Gettleman made that trade since Chicago clearly offered more than a ham sandwich. He just wouldn't have drafted Toney.
I think so too. He also wanted another #1 since so many players who were granted an extra year because of COVID-19 would be coming out.
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Gettleman did not want him but he wanted Toney.
I think it was Judge and O'Brien who wanted Toney, not Gettleman. Those two dummies won out over DG.
Revisionist history. A significant percentage of BBIers didn't want Parsons.
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Dallas dominating.
Poor preparation and sloppy play up front on offense and specials.
Agree. If the team doesn’t show up, I don’t have to, either.
These guys had me fooled pretty good.
This will be repeated three more times this year. And probably right three more times.
You could sort of see it in the preseason. Not enough game time for big players, defense was getting confused all the time.
finally a laugh
Is everyone outside of NY right??
A contender and a pretender.
How would you know? They cant block anyone. Jonathan Hankins looks like a pass rusher. I mean this is...Jesus christ what is this?
We play too many good teams this year.
Poor preparation and sloppy play up front on offense and specials.
I hate to say it, but this is looking like Judge's second year. Guess those 6-11 predictions from PFF are looking good at the moment ...
You’re a reactionary idiot
But it seems Giants didn’t get the memo.
No need when our OL can’t even give Jones 3 seconds
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Gettleman did not want him but he wanted Toney.
I think it was Judge and O'Brien who wanted Toney, not Gettleman. Those two dummies won out over DG.
Revisionist history. A significant percentage of BBIers didn't want Parsons.
I disagree. I know I wanted him.
My brother is a Dallas fan and I told him before the game I was deeply concerned with out interior OL and lo & behond they have not performed at all.
Only surprise was that it wasn't Jones that fumbled, since they highlighted his improvement last year.
If I weren't a somewhat rational human being, I'd almost think the game is scripted...
Lifelong Giant fan for just a week?
I don't know if the receivers are open or not. The offensive live can't block them at all.
Got to start thinking about changing the interior OL. The current combination of Bredeson, Schmitz, and Glowinski looks worse than than a high school team in pass protection.
Not good. Like Lloyd Christmas ending up with Mary Swanson not good.
WTF Kafka.
Got to start thinking about changing the interior OL. The current combination of Bredeson, Schmitz, and Glowinski looks worse than than a high school team in pass protection.
Nobody blaming Jones. He can’t block for himself
Agree 100% that was a odd series.
Just imagine if they were wearing alternate laundry.
Got to start thinking about changing the interior OL. The current combination of Bredeson, Schmitz, and Glowinski looks worse than than a high school team in pass protection.
This is really on coaches too, and especially Daboll. These guys look like they just met each other. OL need to develop cohesion, trust, and group-think. What have they been doing in practice and preseason?
Giants at no speed
I read all the we can beat Dallas posts...
All I am seeing is another philly style beating as we have lost the line on both sides of the ball..
Stack the box and come after Jones...
We have no answers...
I will read the shit show report when I get up later...
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Gettleman did not want him but he wanted Toney.
I think it was Judge and O'Brien who wanted Toney, not Gettleman. Those two dummies won out over DG.
Revisionist history. A significant percentage of BBIers didn't want Parsons.
Complete bullshit.
They are though. They have an outstanding defensive squad and an excellent DC in D. Quinn with arguably the best defender in football right now.
Couldn't have fathomed they would be absolutely owned like this. Looks like a JV squad out there.
Right about now I would volunteer to drive Kafka to Northwestern
There’s no chance they’re worse than the line from 3-4 years back. No way.
Daboll has this team woefull unprepared
Kafka has had his lunch handed to him
And our OL still sucks major ass.
Not being competitive at home opening night is a major warning sign IMO.
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a total sieve.
There’s no chance they’re worse than the line from 3-4 years back. No way.
So far - they are.
I was assured he would be as good as AT this season.
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a total sieve.
There’s no chance they’re worse than the line from 3-4 years back. No way.
No chance? They haven’t even slowed DAL down. It almost looks like they’re just letting them through.
Both punts have been great.
This has been a constant going back 10-11 years and five coaching staffs. Even in the 2nd SB run, Giants OL was holding up on back of Eli and passing weapons.
+1
Giants NEED a stop and a score. Otherwise this game will be over by halftime.
All night long
We made nice additions to the DL
The OL sheesh…
Philly DL will destroy us
Again
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Please take a HC job, even if it’s next week.
Right about now I would volunteer to drive Kafka to Northwestern
Not sure how you can blame Kafka. If your OL can't block, not much you can do
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a total sieve.
There’s no chance they’re worse than the line from 3-4 years back. No way.
No chance? They haven’t even slowed DAL down. It almost looks like they’re just letting them through.
so far, I'd have to say they are worse.
OL still sucks.
LOFL. Yes, it was suggested for a day or two that Daboll was really getting inside Dallas' head...
This is embarrassing.
NFL getting exactly what the want, a big Cowboys circle jerk with a big market of Giants fans getting sucked in for the ride
Defense I think will be okay but the OL....
Giants lost this shit when they let parsons go to Dallas. He fucking loves killing NYG. We can never block him. Never. Fucking gross.
He wouldn't have been if our pass rush could have gotten home for once
This.
Why in the fuck do these two teams consistently open against each other? It’s fucking asinine.
Even though that wasn’t close to PI
We're fucked ahaha.
rookies jags they have stars
Bro, its a PI. He didn't even need to do it. Dude is nervous. He never played in front of a crowd half this size.
Um, that was clear PI
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Fuck the NFL schedule makers
This.
Why in the fuck do these two teams consistently open against each other? It’s fucking asinine.
So Dallas can start 1-0 and get the hype machine started. That's also why it's on national TV.
We look further away than ever. For once we're actually healthy.
This kid in Dallas gets smacked across the middle and holds on for a huge 3rd down conversion.
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Um, that was clear PI
Are you crazy?
This kid in Dallas gets smacked across the middle and holds on for a huge 3rd down conversion.
This
The way we look right now? We should be huge underdogs.
Macadoo part 2
Yup.
LOL. Well never have a coach as bad as Joe Judge again. If we do, I'll probably call it as a fan.
Interesting how Dallas can find UDFAs and draft picks and keep a functioning offensive line and we have top picks and can't.
Agreed. I think it was just a better play by the defense...
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Fuck the NFL schedule makers
This.
Why in the fuck do these two teams consistently open against each other? It’s fucking asinine.
So Dallas can start 1-0 and get the hype machine started. That's also why it's on national TV.
Yes, I am sure it’s to plug the Dallas hype machine instead of like maybe we can good ratings from tv’s biggest market playing the most popular team in America.
True. I also didn't hear how cooks was the best player in football and deserves a monster contract all off season
It’s just one game. And It’s not over yet. And even if it is, Daboll has to rally his troops to get ready for Game 2.
So you’re saying I should go to sleep early?
Me too! Looks like they all suck. I better be wrong.
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Um, that was clear PI
Are you crazy?
Not as crazy as those trying to blame this abomination on the refs
There were two unfortunate mistakes leading to the Dallas TDs.
Take a deep breath and stay strong,
People here keep telling me how bad a coach this guy is. All he’s done is win.
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Might want to watch the Barkley play again. Diggs put his helmet right on the ball. The cooks hit was not even close to the same
True. I also didn't hear how cooks was the best player in football and deserves a monster contract all off season
That is quite irrelevant considering the play
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This is Joe Judge part two. Yea yea I’m reactionary. But this is embarrassing on epic level. It always has to be embarrassing. Always.
It’s just one game. And It’s not over yet. And even if it is, Daboll has to rally his troops to get ready for Game 2.
Yea but it always has to be on national tv. And always has to be Dallas. I hope more than anything that you guys can put me on blast as a crow eating bitch. I pray for it. We are such a joke.
There were two unfortunate mistakes leading to the Dallas TDs.
Take a deep breath and stay strong,
Are we watching the same game?
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Might want to watch the Barkley play again. Diggs put his helmet right on the ball. The cooks hit was not even close to the same
Agreed. I think it was just a better play by the defense...
It was a great defense play. Barkley is also terribly slow getting around in the pass game.
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Might want to watch the Barkley play again. Diggs put his helmet right on the ball. The cooks hit was not even close to the same
True. I also didn't hear how cooks was the best player in football and deserves a monster contract all off season
That is quite irrelevant considering the play
Ah so every player would have fumble that
Give me Drake Maye in the draft.
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Might want to watch the Barkley play again. Diggs put his helmet right on the ball. The cooks hit was not even close to the same
True. I also didn't hear how cooks was the best player in football and deserves a monster contract all off season
That is quite irrelevant considering the play
Ah so every player would have fumble that
More than likely
By Daniel
There were two unfortunate mistakes leading to the Dallas TDs.
Take a deep breath and stay strong,
This is one of the worst Giants losses I've ever seen so far. On the rise?
Cincinnati was pretty bad today too ... but this is bad.
The gap looks worse tonight. We could at least give Dallas a game before.
absolutely dominated....
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The Giants are talented and on the rise.
There were two unfortunate mistakes leading to the Dallas TDs.
Take a deep breath and stay strong,
This is one of the worst Giants losses I've ever seen so far. On the rise?
This looks like a 4 win team if the line is really this bad.
It's probably not, but...
1st down
QB?
I hate to say it, but PFF's 6-11 prediction looks on the nose. If optimistic.
There were two unfortunate mistakes leading to the Dallas TDs.
Take a deep breath and stay strong,
Go take another long rip from your weed to pen.
I don't blame you at this point. If Dallas scores a TD here and their D continues to flummox the Giants' OL, then it's good night Gracie.
It’s a 2 yr commitment.
Zing! Good reminder though, probably switch to that at half time.
A good IQ test for giants fans tonights will be if they blame Jones
Neal is a piece of shit
This fucking sucks, couldn't write a worse start and no game to enjoy.
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Got that big contract?
A good IQ test for giants fans tonights will be if they blame Jones
The INT to set up this TD was all on Jones. He had no business throwing that stupid INT.
Can he block?
Sorry 2 interceptions.
The fact that you have to say "one of" speaks more towards this franchise.
Shades of Week 1, 1995
2 INT’s
This script was written 2 years ago. Everyone crumbles around him, then Jones tries to force it. Clockwork
This fucking sucks, couldn't write a worse start and no game to enjoy.
40? They might hit 60 tonight.
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Got that big contract?
A good IQ test for giants fans tonights will be if they blame Jones
You caught the part where he threw the ball directly to the other team and then they scored a touchdown right?
thats like the 3rd time i see Jones tonight force it to waller.....
id rahter him spread it around and find the open man
not force the ball to a haobbled waller.
Well his point was the game is called to significantly favor the passing offense in the NFL..
Smacked in mouth up front. Dominated.
I can’t recall worse, in a season-opener, and I go back to the mid-70s.
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Lol
Can he block?
Does it matter? We seem to take guys who can block in college and find ways for them to not block in the pros.
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Got that big contract?
A good IQ test for giants fans tonights will be if they blame Jones
Ha. Yeah. Like he’s played well. Get a clue.
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1/6, 0 yards, 0 completions, 1 interception and some scrambles.
Sorry 2 interceptions.
Last INT was terrible, but can’t hang this debacle on him. Our OL looks like a high school team out there
I realise if the OL does not provide time this is what you get
But why were we so excited?
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Got that big contract?
A good IQ test for giants fans tonights will be if they blame Jones
Can’t be the QB right??
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1/6, 0 yards, 0 completions, 1 interception and some scrambles.
2 INT’s
That first one shouldn't be on Jones. To me, that's a fumble...
Neal is a piece of shit
Since everyone is playing bad he figured we won’t notice if he throws a INT. Might as well contribute to the mess. He is trying to be a team player.
2ints
It's got to be mental at this point on some level.
And who should be doing the drafting.....
good thign its a 2 year commitmment.
Dallas were so up for this
We were not prepared ...
We've got 2 top 7 picks and a 2nd rounder on the line. At some point there's a deeper problem.
Blame the coaches because every phase of this team was not ready to play tonight
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Got that big contract?
A good IQ test for giants fans tonights will be if they blame Jones
You caught the part where he threw the ball directly to the other team and then they scored a touchdown right?
Is this satire?
Pathetic
This is great
Same problem different year
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Its really very disappointing.
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1/6, 0 yards, 0 completions, 1 interception and some scrambles.
Sorry 2 interceptions.
You are watching this game and your takeaway is Jones is the problem?
The game was over at 16-0.
A Dallas penalty is likely the only way we'll get a first down the rest of the game.
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even if they don't score another point. There's no way this Giants team is capable of scoring 26 points.
The game was over at 16-0.
The game was probably over at 6-0
“He has the time”? Are you nuts?
Do you remember the MNF opener at home against Dallas in 1995?
Lightening fast.
But that hardly means the season is over.
A lot more football ahead.
LOL
Lightening fast.
But that hardly means the season is over.
A lot more football ahead.
Yep
Trade a draft choice for him.
^This.
Nope.
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Stack the box,
Come after Jones, you will get there...
make him prove it another year......
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We will never get over passing on Parsons.NEVER.
Nope.
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1/6, 0 yards, 0 completions, 1 interception and some scrambles.
Sorry 2 interceptions.
You are watching this game and your takeaway is Jones is the problem?
Oh its more than him for sure.
That said, I don't know what the Cowboy approach was.
Trade a draft choice for him.
With respect to Callahan, the best OL Coach in the league is in Philly. The killer is we almost managed to get Stoutland here too.
Very few clean pockets so far … is it possible there have been none?
Well we cant blame Dave Gettlemen anymore.
They should sit him. What’s the point. Game is over.
Yup. Crossed my mind 20 minutes ago. Thought we'd be able to go toe to toe with them. Nope. 35-0 wipeout
That’s a bad take.
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We will never get over passing on Parsons.NEVER.
Nope.
fuck Gettleman forever
Didn’t Parsons want to be a Giants? But of course Giants thought he was a character red flag, they prefer high class citizens like Deandre Baker and Eli Apple
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1995
Yup. Crossed my mind 20 minutes ago. Thought we'd be able to go toe to toe with them. Nope. 35-0 wipeout
That night will forever be burned in my brain. Unlike that night I’m not at the game, thank god.
Well we cant blame Dave Gettlemen anymore.
The fuck we can't. Is there a statute of limitations for your precious DG?
So he's Ereck Flowers?
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We will never get over passing on Parsons.NEVER.
Nope.
fuck Gettleman forever
Didn’t Parsons want to be a Giants? But of course Giants thought he was a character red flag, they prefer high class citizens like Deandre Baker and Eli Apple
Don't forget Kadarius Toney.
He threw 5 all last year…..
Wasted pick.
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We will never get over passing on Parsons.NEVER.
Nope.
fuck Gettleman forever
Didn’t Parsons want to be a Giants? But of course Giants thought he was a character red flag, they prefer high class citizens like Deandre Baker and Eli Apple
Yes, Parsons wanted to be here.
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No effort
So he's Ereck Flowers?
Ereck Flowers was actually serviceable at some point. But not far off
Wasted pick.
So far Ekwonu, taken by Panthers two picks later has been absolutely terrible so far too.
Agree.. He is bad.. wow
Then we see if our coaches can make adjustments and at least execute the 2nd half. I knew our interior OL would struggle but expected Neal to be better and well Thomas too.
Could Peart be worse than Neal right now?
hes the worst T in teh sport....
Evan Neal looks like he only started playing football three weeks ago.
He’s been a total disaster tonight. Unreal
sucks. There’s just no way around it.
No pick will ever be worse than Joe Don Looney.
They could have prime Randy Moss and Jerry Rice and they still couldn't get them the ball. They can't block a soul.
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If so he should be sitting
Talk is cheap. Play the game.
Talk is cheap. Play the game.
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damn..
They could have prime Randy Moss and Jerry Rice and they still couldn't get them the ball. They can't block a soul.
My concern is we could have prime Anthony Munoz and Alan Faneca and this line would still suck.
Nothing has gone right.
We continue to get raw dogged by the nfc East
Where is Dido when you need her?
The coaches
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We will never get over passing on Parsons.NEVER.
Nope.
fuck Gettleman forever
Didn’t Parsons want to be a Giants? But of course Giants thought he was a character red flag, they prefer high class citizens like Deandre Baker and Eli Apple
Yep, relied on the opinion of the Dline coach at the time who used to coach at Penn State. But hey, the Giants have Neal, KT, Waller and Hawkins instead of Parsons. Awesome.
Giants failing in every respect.
Except he has looked like this in every game he has played
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Who is to blame?
The coaches
Agreed. This team DOES NOT LOOK PREPARED AT ALL!!!!!
It’s cursed
The Jones deal can be gotten out of. NYG had no real alternative.
He could have a future at RG if RT doesn’t work out.
Neither can I...no atmosphere...
The bad news is this team isn't close to the top tier teams and the schedule is tough playing the AFC east.
Agree
As well as he should. Team came out & laid an egg.
This. WTf was that?
Plus, they had to travel for a road game
Most knowledgeable person in the site, in my opinion. Shame that a bunch is sensitive souls who couldn’t handle being wrong chased him away.
The bad news is this team isn't close to the top tier teams and the schedule is tough playing the AFC east.
Eh, this team is nowhere near Dallas. The way they look tonight, they're going to have trouble with Arizona.
The bad news is this team isn't close to the top tier teams and the schedule is tough playing the AFC east.
But there were people on this board saying that the NFC was "wide open" for the Giants to win!
I was thinking the same thing, also. I think they could’ve played a little bit more in the preseason. A lot of rust.
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It's Philly, SF and then a HUGE drop off. The good news is the Giants should be able to handle the other NFC teams.
The bad news is this team isn't close to the top tier teams and the schedule is tough playing the AFC east.
Eh, this team is nowhere near Dallas. The way they look tonight, they're going to have trouble with Arizona.
I meant to include Dallas on the top tier group as well.
He's on his way, definitely need to see more games though.
Not cool
When it rains it pours.
And why do you think that?
Plus, they had to travel for a road game
What? Based on what?
Neal, up and down, right Mr. Credible?
But before I go. Forever. Fuck the Cowboys. Fuck them forever. One day we will beat them. One day. And I will be there. I will be there instead of all you fucking faggots sitting on your mother‘s couches. Fuck you too.
The tackle experiment is over.
Shit, if this continues, I'd trade him
Tom Coughlin understood this and made it priority number one and returned the franchise that standard.
Reese/Ross destroyed the foundation of the franchise. Dave failed to turn that destruction around.
JS/BD welcome to the NFCE. Have you figured out it out yet?
Au contraire. Plenty of Cowboys fans there.
They’ll get their medium Pepsis on the way out the door and like it!
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Last year for saying Neal needs to move to Guard. It’s his only chance of success. I know it is only 1 half, but yikes is he playing bad.
He's on his way, definitely need to see more games though.
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Celebrating
Think he was kidding
Not a good joke. Ever
What? Based on what?
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Last year for saying Neal needs to move to Guard. It’s his only chance of success. I know it is only 1 half, but yikes is he playing bad.
He's on his way, definitely need to see more games though.
And then Jones is sacked again.
Yes it can look this bad, the coaches did not get the players ready to play this game and they lacked preseason reps and it shows.
Daboll and Schoen must have bought into their own hype. And boy do I hope they come back and win to make me look stupid. I’m begging and praying for it. I’ll happily eat crow
This team has been a rudderless
Joke since Tom Coughlin walked out that door. It’s a fact. Yea we win here and there. But we are a fucking joke. JOKE
Hope is not a plan.
We really have no one else to put at tackle. Tyre Phillips is a better tackle than Neal and we cut him.
I will say the few times i focused on jms he looked solid. Glowinski as usual cannot pass block.
So our two worst pass blockers are at right guard and right tackle. That explains alot.
Eric Flowers was all pro compared to Neal.
Yes.
Old reliable: the redskins.
At least once…
The Commanders. But not the Eagles or the Cowboys.
Tom Coughlin understood this and made it priority number one and returned the franchise that standard.
Reese/Ross destroyed the foundation of the franchise. Dave failed to turn that destruction around.
JS/BD welcome to the NFCE. Have you figured out it out yet?
Reese is seriously being brought up still? Come on.
And then Jones is sacked again.
Not a great pass...
$40 million QB’s should be able to do that with their eyes closed.
Every aspect of the team sucked.
And you are a good person. bye-bye
Daboll and Schoen must have bought into their own hype. And boy do I hope they come back and win to make me look stupid. I’m begging and praying for it. I’ll happily eat crow
This team has been a rudderless
Joke since Tom Coughlin walked out that door. It’s a fact. Yea we win here and there. But we are a fucking joke. JOKE
There is basically a zero percent chance the Giants come back.
Hopefully they keep the Cowboys under 40.
Of course this sounds hyperbolic, but it isn’t wrong.
I expect a very very different team to come out and play starting as soon as next week. But if you have this standard of play for the full year? Yeah daboll should be gone.
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Young and Parcells determined your OL and overall LOS dictates games.
Tom Coughlin understood this and made it priority number one and returned the franchise that standard.
Reese/Ross destroyed the foundation of the franchise. Dave failed to turn that destruction around.
JS/BD welcome to the NFCE. Have you figured out it out yet?
Reese is seriously being brought up still? Come on.
Sad thing is the Reese OL was still better than this one. Go figure. Bobby Hart was better than any RT we've had since.
You can tell he's not comfortable doing anything tonight.
I think he expects to get hit on handoffs at this point.
Down 26-0 to Cowboys at half.
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with the drop, although the pass was behind him.
And then Jones is sacked again.
Not a great pass...
Judge actually beat Dallas & Philly. *ducks*
Down 26-0 to Cowboys at half.
Great post
He went from our young Parcells to a pumpkin in 11 days.
The OL has been horrid.
Yeah the Oline hasn't been that bad...................
Cramps is what Twitter is saying
Jerry Reese isn't only a 2 time championship, he's a mother f'n witch doctor.
He definitely needs to overcome adversity. And take advantage of opportunities when available. But nothing is going right at this point. It's like falling out of airplane and the parachute won't open...
I'd like to see Ezeudu and McKethan in the second half, and although I can't believe I'm saying this, Peart. Neal should be benched.
Schoen improved the team speed everywhere except on the OL.
We also aren't generating any pass rush.
This game is still won in the trenches, and we are losing there on both sides of the ball.
Daboll is going to have to get their attention after this one. If they happen to drop a game next week to the Cards it’s off to San Fran on short rest.
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At hitting guys going across the field in stride. We just saw it there on that pass to Hyatt.
I agree. His long pass is decent and sideline is ok but his timing is at best erratic to guys moving across the field
Which is unfortunate because the horizontal passing game sure seems like a Daboll staple.
This operation is going nowhere until they can beat Dallas and Philadelphia. What pisses me off is fucking Washington stumbles into wins every now and again vs those guys. With us it’s a 100% lead pipe lock loss.
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with the drop, although the pass was behind him.
And then Jones is sacked again.
Not a great pass...
He has played WR his whole life got to catch that ball..no excuses...
Toney was lambasted for dropping a much harder ball that Hyatt’s drop
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Banks?
Cramps is what Twitter is saying
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He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.
The OL has been horrid.
It has.
Doesn’t excuse a QB from awful decision making and turnovers. QBs can’t melt under adversity like Jones seems to do sometimes.
Jones doesn’t get absolved from this. He’s been terrible tonight too.
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He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.
The OL has been horrid.
Of course it has. But that doesn't excuse the awful pick which was thrown which led to a Dallas TD.
Possible factor
The only thing to keep an eye on is if the Eagles figured something out and the Cowboys picked up on it and other teams also pick up on it.
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with the drop, although the pass was behind him.
And then Jones is sacked again.
Not a great pass...
He has played WR his whole life got to catch that ball..no excuses...
Toney was lambasted for dropping a much harder ball that Hyatt’s drop
It’s a drop….
He is an nfl wr and it him in hands. It’s a drop…
Then Schoen had better be looking at the top college qb’s this fall. Jones, who is being paid like he’s the answer, isn’t.
How about the beautiful interception? Was that the fans fault?
It’s a drop….
He is an nfl wr and it him in hands. It’s a drop…
He dropped a bad pass.
Yup.
He came up limping after the sideline PBU
The only thing to keep an eye on is if the Eagles figured something out and the Cowboys picked up on it and other teams also pick up on it.
Commanders have a hellish front 7 on defense too. Giants have an ugly talent discrepancy in their own division.
Plus a million!
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He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.
The OL has been horrid.
It has.
Doesn’t excuse a QB from awful decision making and turnovers. QBs can’t melt under adversity like Jones seems to do sometimes.
Jones doesn’t get absolved from this. He’s been terrible tonight too.
Are we really pinning the first INT on Jones? Barkley wasn't touched by God, he was touched by the top of a helmet.
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Banks?
Cramps is what Twitter is saying
He's not the only one looking like he's going through a period
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geez, it's one game and any team can have a bad game. You are never as bad as you look when you lose and never as good as you look when you win.
The only thing to keep an eye on is if the Eagles figured something out and the Cowboys picked up on it and other teams also pick up on it.
Commanders have a hellish front 7 on defense too. Giants have an ugly talent discrepancy in their own division.
Honestly, the only reason we beat the Commanders is because we have their number. On paper they should gouge us a new one with that line.
Down 26-0 to Cowboys at half.
True..excellent point
No kidding.
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He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.
Then Schoen had better be looking at the top college qb’s this fall. Jones, who is being paid like he’s the answer, isn’t.
No QB in the world can succeed with what we’re seeing from the offensive line tonight.
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If your OL stinks your toys cannot be used. I have never seen a worse OL in a half.
Plus a million!
Pick any Giants oline from 2013 on and that line fits
I don't get how other teams can run out 2nd and 3rd stringers and be competent, while Giants have thier starting unit - with guys they picked early in the draft -- and Jones can't even hit his back foot in his drop before he has to take off. Miami played w/o their LT today and had over 500 yards of offense.
Bottom line is year after year it seems like we are always having the same discussions about deficiencies in the positions that win in this league.
Absolutely. That second one was textbook Jones when he starts feeling a game getting away...which didn't happen much last season.
People on here saying turnoverS like the guy is handing them the ball
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with the drop, although the pass was behind him.
And then Jones is sacked again.
Not a great pass...
He has played WR his whole life got to catch that ball..no excuses...
By that same fucking logic, Jones has played QB his whole life, he's got to get that ball to the front of the receiver.
This. Let him press, he might work something out that he can use in the future being that he’s saddled with this line.
I think it's really a play where the defense deserves credit for a better play.
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I know there’s no way of knowing now but DJ’s head got slammed into the turf on that first run. He looks terrible.
Possible factor
Good point.
Bottom line is year after year it seems like we are always having the same discussions about deficiencies in the positions that win in this league.
This. It doesn't matter how many times you change the coach or the quarterback or the receivers, if you have one of the worst offensive lines in the league, you are going to be a bad team.
Company man..
"What do you think of your team's execution?"
"I'm in favor of it."
You simply cannot miss when you have the number 5 and 7 pick. Missing on one that high is bad enough, but if you miss on both...
I loved the Neal pick. I was wrong.
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He struggles against fast defenses. When the game gets fast, you see it with Jones. The OL has been bad, but it's not all that. He's made some very poor throws.
The OL has been horrid.
It has.
Doesn’t excuse a QB from awful decision making and turnovers. QBs can’t melt under adversity like Jones seems to do sometimes.
Jones doesn’t get absolved from this. He’s been terrible tonight too.
Are we really pinning the first INT on Jones? Barkley wasn't touched by God, he was touched by the top of a helmet.
Of course not. Don’t be so dense.
But that 2nd pick was the knife into the jugular of this team for the night. Jones followed it up next two series with what looked like panic run audibles. Kafka also gets blame. When your OL is terrible and QB rattled, have to have better playbook and audible options than designed runs a fast DL can eat up with ease.
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Was there no sign of this in college?
I loved the Neal pick. I was wrong.
So did I and so was I
lol
With zero pass protection is ridiculous.
As for that second INT, he was desperate, running for his life and trying to make something happen.
"Sir, does this mean that Anne Margaret is not coming?"
Well we have ZERO points so far.
Looked like a leg muscle strain maybe hammy woooohooo
I don't know about THE least...
What about the bad passes that were behind the receivers?
With zero pass protection is ridiculous.
As for that second INT, he was desperate, running for his life and trying to make something happen.
Sometimes the entire league mis-evaluates a college prospect. It happens. But it’s still just one game into the new season and Evan Neal can still improve.
Jones having a bad night. He is sucking wind for sure. But, He is rattled and I don't blame him. This OL is fucking putrid again. I knew this OL would be our downfall this year. So tired of it. And Daboll should have played the starters more in preseason. They are clearly not even close to ready.
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second INT was on Jones, but I still think he's the least of our offensive problems tonight.
What about the bad passes that were behind the receivers?
The ones that hit them in the hands?
"Sir, does this mean that Anne Margaret is not coming?"
I would be in favor of sending the entire organization to Phu Bai. Captain Januarys gonna need all his people.
With zero pass protection is ridiculous.
As for that second INT, he was desperate, running for his life and trying to make something happen.
Agreed.
they drop everything
With zero pass protection is ridiculous.
As for that second INT, he was desperate, running for his life and trying to make something happen.
It was still an absolute awful decision and throw.
Doesn’t matter
Dallas owns the LoS on both sides.
The mentality of the team is bothering me too. It's simply not there. It's flat and I don't understand how that is possible in an opening primetime game against a rival like the Cowboys.
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Hopefully it's just precautionary
Looked like a leg muscle strain maybe hammy woooohooo
With zero pass protection is ridiculous.
As for that second INT, he was desperate, running for his life and trying to make something happen.
No doubt he’s under duress but as it has been against the better teams in this league, he doesnt do much to overcome or elevate the play around him and crumbles with everyone else. Unfortunately, you can’t pay big bucks for a qb like that in this league. I think at this point we know what Jones is, he can be very god against mediocre or bad defenses, but really struggles against quality teams in this league. This is now back to back putrid starts against division opponents. It’s concerning whether or not you want to admit it.
invisbileeeeeeee
The fear I have is that Schoen was a rookie GM was still working with DG's leftover scouts as he couldn't fire everybody.
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With zero pass protection is ridiculous.
As for that second INT, he was desperate, running for his life and trying to make something happen.
Agreed.
There was also that interception that hooker dropped.. And other bad passes..
The mentality of the team is bothering me too. It's simply not there. It's flat and I don't understand how that is possible in an opening primetime game against a rival like the Cowboys.
Yeah, that's the more concerning thing.
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Hopefully it's just precautionary
Looked like a leg muscle strain maybe hammy woooohooo
cramps
it can't be cramps,he would be in there if it were cramps
This is worse than a bad day under Joey Judge.
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Expected to return
Doesn’t matter
Why would they ban YOU coach DaBoll?
But before I go. Forever. Fuck the Cowboys. Fuck them forever. One day we will beat them. One day. And I will be there. I will be there instead of all you fucking faggots sitting on your mother‘s couches. Fuck you too.
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With zero pass protection is ridiculous.
As for that second INT, he was desperate, running for his life and trying to make something happen.
No doubt he’s under duress but as it has been against the better teams in this league, he doesnt do much to overcome or elevate the play around him and crumbles with everyone else. Unfortunately, you can’t pay big bucks for a qb like that in this league. I think at this point we know what Jones is, he can be very god against mediocre or bad defenses, but really struggles against quality teams in this league. This is now back to back putrid starts against division opponents. It’s concerning whether or not you want to admit it.
Exactly. Can't wait to pick up Pat Mahomes off the waiver wire. He couldn't even elevate Toney
"Sir, does this mean that Anne Margaret is not coming?"
Good point.. i missed that..
Every team has JAGs out there in spots. The problem is we have key units like the OL where JAGs would actually be an improvement. Give this team an OL of 5 JAGs and this would be a different game.
Why is the screen pass not in our playbook?
I remember Tim Carter recovering a fumble in the Endzone for us. That was...cool.
Jones got 80M+ dollars because he was smart and ultra-accurate with the ball last year.
It's not too much to expect him to do what he did last year.
The line was putrid last year and Jones kept his head above water. He's got to do it again.
Next week is a must win.
Thursday night against the miners to avoid 0 and 3. Not good place to be.
These posts are so ridiculous. The 2nd pick was on Jones. Because the OL sucks it allows him to make unforced errors? That is such bullshit.
Don't remind the forum. That's gonna be a beat down against that defensive front. People will see soon why fans wanted to play Minnesota in the playoffs and not Frisco.
Just like the Playoff game.
It’s a disturbing trend.
These lopsided blowouts are more than talent.
If that happens, Schoen and Daboll would probably both be on the hot seat for 2024.
I know it doesn't make much sense. The on;y thing I can think of is, you can't make it in the NFL without an Oline, and the Giants just ignored it for to long.
Like everyone else, I just don't understand why after 10 plus years we still don't even have a decent OL. Other teams rebuild their OL in a few years, but for us, the task is apparently impossible.
This is how I’m trying to look at it. Week 1, weird shit happens
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Was there no sign of this in college?
The fear I have is that Schoen was a rookie GM was still working with DG's leftover scouts as he couldn't fire everybody.
Lol. Schoen was relying on the work of a bad GM who was canned, while not doing his own work? If true, he should be fired immediately, but that’s a ridiculous theory
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With zero pass protection is ridiculous.
As for that second INT, he was desperate, running for his life and trying to make something happen.
Agreed.
There was also that interception that hooker dropped.. And other bad passes..
Maybe at some point we get him an OLine so we can see if he is an NFL qb. Sorry, might not be his fault but he is still a mediocre qb. Do you believe you win championships with him? Anyway. It’s not the time.
We do lose spectacularly dont we?
or
Is it a lack of coaching?
Which division opponent can this team beat?
We can’t even attempt a FG without looking bad.
Speaking of idiots who don't understand how football works, what's your take on Evan Neal tonight?
and this defense looks as porous as last year.
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Was there no sign of this in college?
The fear I have is that Schoen was a rookie GM was still working with DG's leftover scouts as he couldn't fire everybody.
Lol. Schoen was relying on the work of a bad GM who was canned, while not doing his own work? If true, he should be fired immediately, but that’s a ridiculous theory
He wasn't working with DG's work, but he was working with a lot of DG's scouts. You can't exactly scout college games if you're hired in January and it's too late to literally fire everybody.
It's why you often see scouts let go AFTER drafts.
They need to get #73 off the TV.
Daniel Jones needs to pay his fucking contract back. This is just embarrassing. Going to be another LONG season 0-4 vs eagles and cowboys easily.
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Or else we’ll be in a familiar spot: season over by Columbus Day and we’re talking draft..nobody wants that shit again..
Next week is a must win.
Thursday night against the miners to avoid 0 and 3. Not good place to be.
This is why I said must win. That SF game is about as lock of a sure L as there is on the schedule. We lose next week it’s over. Still have 3 losses beyond that with Dallas/Philly.
I don't know if we can properly evaluate the defense given the hole they were in when they finally took the field.
But they are being torched in terms of preparation for this game.
Completely unprepared for this game. And they knew they were going to play Dallas since May. That's not good.
I mean in a very loose, broad sense yes. But not in any meaningful way.
Everyone should be embarrassed.
Agreed. Daboll prolly wants him to try and get a good drive going first though. They'll prolly wait until the 4th quarter if things stay as they are.
Just make sure you're all wearing ski masks when you show up for your check on Tuesday.
Or maybe Dallas is just that good.
Or maybe Dallas is just that good.
I don't think Dallas is just that good. This team is just woeful.
but this is not playable.
you cant operate an offense with this guy AND Glowinski
this is pathetic.
He was last year, for sure
Lol
Jones may legit die if he keeps dropping back…
As well as Lawrence and a few others.
This game is way over and getting key guys hurt will just make this more disastrous
He forced a fumble but of course, it bounced right to Dallas.
He’s beyond embarrassing.
Throw out the young players like preseason. No sense in getting more injuries on the starters
Lol
I'd actually seriously consider firing him after this. Thomas' career was saved when Columbo was fired, maybe Evans is saved by Johnson getting the axe.
Just make sure you're all wearing ski masks when you show up for your check on Tuesday.
It would be awesome if nobody from the media showed up. Daboll walks into an empty room.
What does that say about our coaches?
What did they spike the gatorade with!
Just make sure you're all wearing ski masks when you show up for your check on Tuesday.
I’m sure Mara has the box of clown gear ready to go in the closet. Haha
I disagree. I think he passed Flowers already. Lol
Put in Taylor and some new OL.
I am not sure if DJ would have less time if they just removed our OL from the game.
What does that say about our coaches?
What did they spike the gatorade with!
No what is scary is that they don't have anyone better
But Thibs needs to pick it up too. They were picked 5 and 7 in that draft. You simply cannot miss on two draft picks that high.
Looking forward to Sy’s review.
Don't have another tackle capable of blocking to replace him.
The score of this game will be what it is, and it sucks royally but they have to move on quickly. Thankfully there is a winnable game next week against the Cards but now the importance of that game is heightened.
or wash or AR or MINN or GB or SF......
This. And McAdoo year two.
He's worse than Flowers ever was. Jones isn't even able to get to his back foot. The left side is actually holding up decently.
Peart isn't any worse ...
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He is THE MAJOR liability on this offense. His shit play is glaring and blinding while also being unfathomable and unacceptable.
Don't have another tackle capable of blocking to replace him.
Who knows? Bad scouting? Poor coaching? I have no clue.
Take all the starters out at this point.
-UVA football is the laughingstock of Division I
-worst Yankees season in 30 years
-UVA basketball had yet another first round upset in the most embarrassing fashion possible
-the Rangers and Knicks are the best of the bunch and that is the saddest statement I can imagine
Stop throwing good money after bad and try him inside?
They have better names but the talent doesn’t seem to be there
Bill and Tom are too old to fix it. It's JS/Bd's turn but a big fail to start.
Nope.
Stop throwing good money after bad and try him inside?
And replace him with what?
Stop throwing good money after bad and try him inside?
Struggling is an understatement. He's arguably the worst player at his position
He sucks too. He's just not as good as sucking as Neal is
We’ll see next week.
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Nope.
No pressure whatsoever. That's not gonna help the rookie DBs
Take all the starters out at this point.
100% this. You have to set the fucking tone. You don’t let it slide cause it’s game one. Parcells would have murdered all of them at half time. Literally made them stop living on earth. Pathetic. Daboll has a deeeeeeep hole to climb out of. Deeeeep
I can accept him being a 6th pick but not an all pro. but, this bad?
The players suck
Cramps
They've done nothing well. All phases of the game imploded.
Next week. If the Giants fall to the Cards that's a bad sign for the season.
Many of us knew the guards needed an upgrade this coming off-season. Adding a RT as well only extends the process of getting this fucking OL corrected once and for all. Neal has to be an answer.
Who is that "someone"?
more like Hobson's choice
What stuns me os how impotent our DL is. Our edge looks like theirs on slow motion with skirts. Our interior guys are getting manhandled too.
Unprepared for Dallas's intensity too was also very surprising. First time in Daboll era I feel like we've been outcoached, and by miles.
Yup
2- Adoree Jackson was horrible in the slot tonight. Couldn'td cover anyone and got washed out on run plays. When Banks went out they replaced him with McCloud. Why not replace him with AJ and put Holmes in the slot?
3-There is a real chance that we will need to acquire 3 starters on the OL for next season, and that is with giving JMS the benefit of the doubt
4-We are not as bad as we look tonight. But we are also not a threat to win the SB this year.
It’s not the loss …kc wasnt embarrassed at home like this
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Many of us knew the guards needed an upgrade this coming off-season. Adding a RT as well only extends the process of getting this fucking OL corrected once and for all. Neal has to be an answer.
I know…Im just trying not to cry
He should be embarrassed by this display.
Hopefully he has a nice bed at Quest as he should spend the week there trying to correct this debacle.
exactly. 80-0 costs the same as 21-20. I feel bad for the guy who had to load the TOUCHDOWN FIREWORKS silos in the rain before the game. I think Nathaniel Hackett called him "the fucker."
Neal is just being annihilated on every play.
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We will have the same record as Kansas City.
It’s not the loss …kc wasnt embarrassed at home like this
I am sure KC was embarrassed. They did not expect to lose. I think most Giants fans expected to be eviscerated like this. At home in prime time against Dallas. Like whipped dogs.
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Both Guards are horrific
Many of us knew the guards needed an upgrade this coming off-season.
Yet, how many on BBI bought into the Daboll BS that we were just moving guys around for versatility during the season?
It’s so bad it’s almost like he is trying to throw it….he isn’t even trying to block
They can't
im sorry the talent gap is enormous.
Deservedly so. They effed their ratings.
Oh thank you for this. I am so SO fucking pissed off but this made me crack up. Thank you... lol
They could stop some of the designed runs
This was never even a game. On the Giants first drive it felt good. But once that blocked FG happened the team looked beaten.
It’s hard to fathom.
SHUT OUT????
SHUT OUT????
(As of right now)
All of the good feeling? All that was accomplished last year?
All of the upgrades? All of the praise for Shoen and Daboll?
It all disappeared after ONE QUARTER of this game.
I just can’t belief that played this badly.
None because we can't pass protect long enough for routes longer than 3 yards to develop.
Picked up right where he left off, maybe even worse. He needs to get benched and maybe earn a spot at one of the guard spots if he really works at it. What’s bust.
Banks has cramps.
This was never even a game. On the Giants first drive it felt good. But once that blocked FG happened the team looked beaten.
It’s hard to fathom.
SHUT OUT????
SHUT OUT????
(As of right now)
All of the good feeling? All that was accomplished last year?
All of the upgrades? All of the praise for Shoen and Daboll?
It all disappeared after ONE QUARTER of this game.
I just can’t belief that played this badly.
Yep. I guess the last question left is do we even score?
Thomas.
Ezeudu.
Bredeson.
McKethan.
Peart.
That's what's happening. Even Dabes will say no mas at a vertain point though. I'm guessing that'll be around the 10 minute to 7.5 minute mark of the 4th Qtr wjen he pulls the plug and puts TT in at QB and then proceeds to empty the bench everywhere else. Pride's at stake too.
Not gonna lie. I wouldn't mind seeing DeVito about now. No interest in watching Taylor
Tyre Philips looked decent at times last year at OT. But for some reason, we decided to cut him. Part is no better than Neal
They have a whole quarter. They might win. Lol lol lol
This is disgusting. They deserve whatever comes their way tomorrow on the radio.
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Has to be someone that can play better than this.
Tyre Philips looked decent at times last year at OT. But for some reason, we decided to cut him. Part is no better than Neal
Peart
Charles Cross
After the last few games can you blame them?
Thomas.
Ezeudu.
Bredeson.
McKethan.
Peart.
Exeudu is God Awful too
Gotta love our "I hate night games" fans. They do suck. Other fanbases embrace it. Here, it's "down in front!".
Couldn't agree more.
Yep. He is plying even worse than last year, hard to regress from that. I called it out as a key to the season, was our success depended on Neal becoming even average. Him not improving at all and this season is over. They need to see what other guys can do at RT, Peart can’t possibly be worse. Neal needs to go to the bench and work on competing for an OG job. He is not a tackle.
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The amount of Cowboys fans there for a Week 1 game is embarrassing. This fanbase fucking sucks.
After the last few games can you blame them?
Considering how good we were last year, absolutely.
Jones helped with the shitshow too. No sympathy from me.
The thing is, I think if we had picked Cross, he'd be awful and Neal would be good in Seattle.
I hate to say it, but this would never happen in Philly.
Tell me again how he’s a top DT.
The Giants have zero chance of winning the division until they get better up front.
Did Daboll peak last year? All goodwill from last year squandered? I mean, it is one game, but what a fucking disaster. At home, national TV, Cowboys.
Must win next week or kiss this season good bye.
He went out and worked to get better by working with Willie Anderson. My hope here, like when you change your swing in golf, is you get worse for a while before you get better. That’s really all I can hang my hat on with Neal at the moment. If this is who he is, the NYG are f’ed.
Wait til next year.
And feel encouraged.
The Giants have zero chance of winning the division until they get better up front.
I just don’t trust them to evaluate OL. They have an awful success rate at drafting them.
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Yep. He is plying even worse than last year, hard to regress from that. I called it out as a key to the season, was our success depended on Neal becoming even average. Him not improving at all and this season is over. They need to see what other guys can do at RT, Peart can’t possibly be worse. Neal needs to go to the bench and work on competing for an OG job. He is not a tackle.
Peary is terrible too. They all suck. And Thomas looks hobbled again.
Thomas.
Ezeudu.
Bredeson.
McKethan.
Peart.
Lemieux is the best LG option, and JMS needs to stay at C bc there’s hope he’ll develop. I’d move Ben Bredeson to RG. Ezeudu is too inconsistent. I’d like to see a McKethan play RT, he looks the part.
So true. Cowboys fans from Texas are actually alright. One of my longtime friends is from Dallas. Good peeps. NY/NJ Cowboys fans are the scum of the Earth though. Ugh.
The Giants have zero chance of winning the division until they get better up front.
I don't know how many times it has to be said. We will never.... NEVER... FUCKING EVER compete with Dallas or Philly until WE FIX THIS FUCKING OL.
And feel encouraged.
I mean hesrt can never be questioned. It’s not easy to play the position when your OL is a fucking bunch of trash cans
The Giants have zero chance of winning the division until they get better up front.
You don’t have to draft OL with top picks to become good.
FUCK THIS TEAM. Later.
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thought Neal was going to be good this year after showing absolutely nothing last year. Not trying to call anyone out...just don't understand where the logic was coming from.
He went out and worked to get better by working with Willie Anderson. My hope here, like when you change your swing in golf, is you get worse for a while before you get better. That’s really all I can hang my hat on with Neal at the moment. If this is who he is, the NYG are f’ed.
I hope that's the problem. The only pass you can give him at this point is it's the first game of the season and Dallas has good players. His PFF score will be interesting
The Giants have zero chance of winning the division until they get better up front.
You want this regime to draft another Neal? I think the problem is deeper.
Do you think they’re going to try to strip the ball out Isiah?
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won't happen, but the starting OL next week should be:
Thomas.
Ezeudu.
Bredeson.
McKethan.
Peart.
Lemieux is the best LG option, and JMS needs to stay at C bc there’s hope he’ll develop. I’d move Ben Bredeson to RG. Ezeudu is too inconsistent. I’d like to see a McKethan play RT, he looks the part.
Fine with me. Just don't trot out the same five as this week, although I think that's what Daboll will unfortunately do.
These guys look like it's the first time they've played football in a year or two and the game plan was to try a couple of things and see how it rolls.
They send 2/3/4 and drop the rest and immediately there is pressure on Jones...
It's just ridiculous
Well that's the problem. Queen Latifah sang the national anthem. Game over. She did great though.
Maybe this is why Baltimore let Martindale go ....
"Holy damn, this is the worst beating of the entire opening weekend."
You put an untested rookie C in prime time against an elite defensive front and asked him to make line calls and adjustments. Evan Neal looks like he’s just as bad at football as he was last season. Glowinski is an aging backup G at this point.
I recall the game at home against the Cowboys last season being competitive until the 4th Qtr with the Giants having their moments. This is something else. A bad start is ok. %hit happens. How they responded was alarming. This club still can't play form behind.
I’ve felt that way since midway through the 1st Quarter…
Not true. What we learned from the Giants' four Super Bowl wins is that if you protect the quarterback he can make any set of receivers look good.
The only player who was a highly paid star was Plax.
Parcells: Stephen Baker, Mark Ingram, Lionel Manuel
Coughlin: David Tyree, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham. Victor Cruz
I think all were out of football three years later.
Tonight's game was unacceptable and it won't take me a day to watch the film to know we did not show up.
Jobs are going to be on the line, players and coaches.
Apologise to those who showed up tonight
Hopefully a wakeup call outa this
We lost to Cooper Rush. WGAF about Dak?
I’m at a loss.
I expect more next week.
They send 2/3/4 and drop the rest and immediately there is pressure on Jones...
It's just ridiculous
Yup. DAL playing at a different speed and intensity level. It’s tired.
than the eagles in the playoffs last year. It's mind boggling how horrific this is.
Ive been a Giants fan for 45 plus years.. and I have NEVER been as disgusted with this team as I am tonight.. and its not even losing is them completely embarrassing the hell out of themselves.
Absolutely RUINED what should have been a special father and son evening.
Aaron Rodgers owned the Bears, but not sure on the record
Not true. What we learned from the Giants' four Super Bowl wins is that if you protect the quarterback he can make any set of receivers look good.
The only player who was a highly paid star was Plax.
Parcells: Stephen Baker, Mark Ingram, Lionel Manuel
Coughlin: David Tyree, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham. Victor Cruz
I think all were out of football three years later.
Agree with your point, but Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham. Victor Cruz was perhaps the best trio of WRs in the league that year. We don't win if Eli had our WR core last year on that team.
Oh, it's been pretty easy to find our #7 pick.
than the eagles in the playoffs last year. It's mind boggling how horrific this is.
Having that happen and then this is abysmal.
Have to question their judgment.
But before I go. Forever. Fuck the Cowboys. Fuck them forever. One day we will beat them. One day. And I will be there. I will be there instead of all you fucking faggots sitting on your mother‘s couches. Fuck you too.
Understated post. Needed one more F you though...
Cowboys might have the best defense in the league. A deep pass rush with the best individual pass rusher is a part of that.
I feel bad for Sy to have to write a review. Is it possible to have no Studs and all duds? I think this may be warranted.
Our OL continues to stink. Even Thomas looks bad. Why Jones is out there with 8 mins in this weather is stupid.
Haha legit cannot make this up
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Haha legit cannot make this up
He was in for Thomas
Cowboys defense is talented. Highest pressure rate last year, and Dan Quinn is taking (has taken every fucking game he's coached against us) our coaching staff to school. I posted this about 1000 times in all the prediction threads. I was terrified of this game because I had no confidence in the OL. And here we are. A fucking embarrassment on national TV. Again. I literally want to beat the fuck out of my friends that are Dallas fans (of which I have many). Because they are not going to let me hear the end of this fucking nightmare.
I feel bad for Sy to have to write a review. Is it possible to have no Studs and all duds? I think this may be warranted.
Our OL continues to stink. Even Thomas looks bad. Why Jones is out there with 8 mins in this weather is stupid.
I think McKinney and the Scotsman had good games.
Ive been a Giants fan for 45 plus years.. and I have NEVER been as disgusted with this team as I am tonight.. and its not even losing is them completely embarrassing the hell out of themselves.
Absolutely RUINED what should have been a special father and son evening.
I feel for you. At the end of the day, that hurts more than any loss. Hopefully he sticks with it.
What the fuck are we trying to accomplish?
All in an absolute downpour.
What the fuck are we trying to accomplish?
Joe judge wants to speak with you
He’s a little full of himself sometimes in a Judge-ian, Belichickesque fashion. A friend of mine texted me that they should rescind the Coach of the Year award from him. The Eagles playoff beat down was bad enough. This to start the year in prime time against a division rival?
If Jones gets hurt, that's totally on Daboll. WTF is he thinking at this point?
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Thomas is hurt too. Because…of course.
Being crushed.
Someone explain this to me. Please.
Are they elite or are they just good and fucking own Mara's asshole.
What the fuck are we trying to accomplish?
Pride man. To paraphrase Marsellus Wallace, that's pride *uckin' with Daboll.
Duh. I'm surprised they haven't busted their guts yet.
Fuck that. How good do Thibs, Ojulari, and Neal look? Fuck the draft.
How much respect can he gain in rehab?
Judge 2.0.
For who? The OL depth behind them are fringe nfl players.
Coaching.
Hopefully they get mad and take it out on next week's opponent.
They got punched in the mouth. They got knocked down. Let's see if they get back up and fight.
Besides, Jones has some things to prove but toughness ain’t one of them. I’d argue he’s a guy who so tough he needs to be saved from himself at times. Like tonight for example.
Banks has cramps.
If Ezeudu was any better than the other guards he'd have been starting
and that includes a lot of horrible games
In such a long list to choose from this is really saying something but I think you are right. This is as bad as anything I’ve seen before.
What the hell? I feel like I'm watching Joe Judge decision making again.
Cowboys seemed to handle the rock ok
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worst game I think I've seen. At least the worst in 20 years
In such a long list to choose from this is really saying something but I think you are right. This is as bad as anything I’ve seen before.
What the hell? I feel like I'm watching Joe Judge decision making again.
I also hate going for it on 4th and long in these situations.
What the hell? I feel like I'm watching Joe Judge decision making again.
Maybe he is hoping that DJ will get hurt. Hahahaha
Anyone?
Pretty much, lol
Cowboys are playing chess and they Giants are trying to stuff checkers up their nose.
If this is an indication of their abilities, there is no overcoming such a deficiency
But fans who conclude from tonight that there is no hope, don’t understand competition. There are just times when the game, match, whatever overwhelms you.
Season isn’t over, it s just beginning.
If this is an indication of their abilities, there is no overcoming such a deficiency
But fans who conclude from tonight that there is no hope, don’t understand competition. There are just times when the game, match, whatever overwhelms you.
Season isn’t over, it s just beginning.
Could be over next Sunday though.
One of the more embarrassing discussions ever on BBI...
The blocked field goal seemed to take the wind out of the team and thats unaccapetable...
This was utterly embarrassing and Daboll is a good coach but he needs to sit there and tske all the slings and arrows
If this is an indication of their abilities, there is no overcoming such a deficiency
But fans who conclude from tonight that there is no hope, don’t understand competition. There are just times when the game, match, whatever overwhelms you.
Season isn’t over, it s just beginning.
This exactly. Been watching for over 50 years and you are correct sir.
Doesn't matter, you sit him down.
If this is an indication of their abilities, there is no overcoming such a deficiency
But fans who conclude from tonight that there is no hope, don’t understand competition. There are just times when the game, match, whatever overwhelms you.
Season isn’t over, it s just beginning.
This game sets the tone for the season. Worst game played by any team all weekend on nationally televised stage. I'll be surprised if we win an in division game this season after watching this honestly. We definitely will be 0-4 again vs Dallas and Philly. And I don't see this bag of shitballs beating Washington either.
One of the more embarrassing discussions ever on BBI...
Daboll showed them.
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He's a captain and he wanted to show the team his heart is in it.
Doesn't matter, you sit him down.
Yeah exactly. That’s just unaccountable coaching.
You're kidding, right?
Jones should have been out after Dallas scored in the third quarter.
Dumbol.
Ive been a Giants fan for 45 plus years.. and I have NEVER been as disgusted with this team as I am tonight.. and its not even losing is them completely embarrassing the hell out of themselves.
Absolutely RUINED what should have been a special father and son evening.
I feel for you. First impressions are hard to shake. Probably switch to a top 5 college team this year for the indoctrination. Gonna be a long season in NJ
Hey, don't knock checkers. Giants were playing rock, paper scissors, only they kept putting out their hand after seeing what the other side did, and still always losing.
So was the Eagles playoff game. I was surprised how quickly it was dismissed. Eagles were the better team but the Giants no show’d.
If Thomas is out for a while, they’re f’ed.
If this is an indication of their abilities, there is no overcoming such a deficiency
But fans who conclude from tonight that there is no hope, don’t understand competition. There are just times when the game, match, whatever overwhelms you.
Season isn’t over, it s just beginning.
It's not that there is no hope, but they aren't anywhere near Dallas and Philly. The last two games the Giants were humiliated by each team. It was a really shitty reality check. This team isn't close to Dallas, Philly or SF.
I'd absolutely sign for 3-4. This schedule is brutal.
Feel the same way. I am at a loss.
If Thomas is out for a while, they’re f’ed.
Caleb Williams?
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tonight was the first night my son wanted to sit down and watch a football game with his dad. He has never been interested in football before.. and this is what we had to watch..
Ive been a Giants fan for 45 plus years.. and I have NEVER been as disgusted with this team as I am tonight.. and its not even losing is them completely embarrassing the hell out of themselves.
Absolutely RUINED what should have been a special father and son evening.
I feel for you. First impressions are hard to shake. Probably switch to a top 5 college team this year for the indoctrination. Gonna be a long season in NJ
Sorry man
My son is 7 and doesn’t care about football
For me he uses a Giants Lunch bag
I’m waiting for him to tell me tomorrow he took crap for it
This is what everyone here said about Evan Neal from last years performance. If there’s anything you should know over this past decade being a Giant fan is none of us truly know what rock bottom is for this organization honestly.
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was a rough watch. Nowhere to go but up!
This is what everyone here said about Evan Neal from last years performance. If there’s anything you should know over this past decade being a Giant fan is none of us truly know what rock bottom is for this organization honestly.
Evan Neal will be a good guard next year. He cannot play tackle at the NFL level.
If Thomas is out for a while, they’re f’ed.
If they lost next week, they easily could start 0-6
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NYG had better win next week as the rest of the division could go 2-0. They lose, with a TNF game in SF after that, and you can turn the lights out on 2023.
If Thomas is out for a while, they’re f’ed.
Caleb Williams?
The need is OL, but if they believe deep down in their conscience that Jones really isn’t the answer, as I do, then you have to explore possibilities at that position.
They were picked 5 and 7. It's bad enough to miss on one when you pick that high, you simply can't miss on both when you have two top 10 picks.
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NYG had better win next week as the rest of the division could go 2-0. They lose, with a TNF game in SF after that, and you can turn the lights out on 2023.
If Thomas is out for a while, they’re f’ed.
If they lost next week, they easily could start 0-6
Suddenly, the schedule looks VERY brutal.
It's never too early. "Copium" is what the kids call it
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The concerning part of this game is obviously how hapless the offensive line has been
If this is an indication of their abilities, there is no overcoming such a deficiency
But fans who conclude from tonight that there is no hope, don’t understand competition. There are just times when the game, match, whatever overwhelms you.
Season isn’t over, it s just beginning.
This exactly. Been watching for over 50 years and you are correct sir.
Exactly. Steelers and Bengals fans don't feel any better than we do and they had high expectations too.
It's a humbling league
The franchise took a step backwards today after all the forward momentum.
It has become an important week not that we need to win next week but how this coaching staff and organization recover.
In the immediate past this would be the beginning of the end and true colors show up.
Hopefully they do and say all the right things and correct the direction.
Kinda a lynch pin moment
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NYG had better win next week as the rest of the division could go 2-0. They lose, with a TNF game in SF after that, and you can turn the lights out on 2023.
If Thomas is out for a while, they’re f’ed.
Caleb Williams?
If we're in position to draft him, that means this team is the worst in football. You fire everybody down to the waterboy.
They were picked 5 and 7. It's bad enough to miss on one when you pick that high, you simply can't miss on both when you have two top 10 picks.
Thibs has only played like a star in national games... I am worried he is living up to his pre-draft negatives... doesn't give 100% effort on every play...
Thibs has only played like a star in national games... I am worried he is living up to his pre-draft negatives... doesn't give 100% effort on every play...
I never liked the selection of Thibs. Good player, but I just don't see where the greatness is. Just too stiff and one dimensional.