I don't want Stroman back. Pham is out. it would be interesting if they picked up Canha again. That seems doubtful, however.
The canary in the coal mine will be if Vogel is back. If he is they are "rebuilding". If they jettison him then you know they are re-loading and just told Max that to get him to waive his trade clause and thought his best days were behind him.
I would really like to see them add a powerhouse RF. This lineup cooked when Marte was on his game, but he is damaged goods now. Buy him out and look elsewhere. Maybe in Juan Soto's direction.
Add quality Starting Pitchers in their Prime.
No to Stroman. And Hell No to Vogey. This roster needs a refresh.
I would really like to see them add a powerhouse RF. This lineup cooked when Marte was on his game, but he is damaged goods now. Buy him out and look elsewhere. Maybe in Juan Soto's direction.
Add quality Starting Pitchers in their Prime.
No to Stroman. And Hell No to Vogey. This roster needs a refresh.
Soto is my top wish, behind Yamamoto. Sign Yamamoto and trade some prospects for Soto. Mets have a glut (never a bad thing), so I would have no issue doing something like Parada and Acuna for Soto. Parada blocked at DH and C by Alvarez and Vientos. INF you have Lindor, Jett coming, McNeil, Mauricio, younger guys, etc.
I would love if the Mets could sign Nola away from Philly
That said, I want Yamamoto and another top 8 SP from that list, and even though he's a Phillie I would love Nola.
We need some relievers, anxious to see what Stearns does with this high end prospect group. I don't think all of Alvarez, Batt, Vientos, and Mauricio will be here next year, so who does he trade and who does he bet on?
What to do with Alonso? I am not one to think Alonso is untradable. If you got Burnes, signed Yamamoto, sign Nola, to go with Senga and Quintana, then you have the staff yo compete against anyone. And you put Vientos at first or whatever, sign Mitch Garver who can play first base, DH and catcher. I'm spitballing here but I'd like to see an elite rotation with no one older than 33 (other than Quintana).
Get the Acuna up here and hopefully Gilbert not too far behind.
I believe in Vientos, Alvarez, and Mauricio and think they will generate enough power. Where everyone plays I have no idea.
Interesting that on that list...we only have Ottavino & Cookie
I would really like to see them add a powerhouse RF. This lineup cooked when Marte was on his game, but he is damaged goods now. Buy him out and look elsewhere. Maybe in Juan Soto's direction.
Add quality Starting Pitchers in their Prime.
No to Stroman. And Hell No to Vogey. This roster needs a refresh.
I would love to see them turn Mauricio into a RF. Perhaps that is where they feel Gilbert will slot into long term.
But one thing that makes sense to me is that you have Acuna, Mauricio, and Jett, and all are middle infielders with SS locked down by Lindor. The obvious solution is you have to start making one or two of these guys outfielders in the near term. Squirrell can play left. I want to see Acuna in the majors by the end of May, and he needs to play MI or CF, CF would be my preference, but then you have to move Nimmo, and that means LF bc he doesn't have a RF arm.
Then Jeff moves to DH? Or permanent 2B? If the latter...Mauricio needs to be in RF or you should just trade someone. Do you really make Jeff the primary DH in this scenario?
RE: Interesting that on that list...we only have Ottavino & Cookie
How about a little love for Trey McLoughlin who has now made 8 appearances in the AFL without allowing a run. Among P who have thrown at least 5 innings only 7 have yet to allow a run
that he was going to be a Met but Hader has made clear to teams he expects to close. Not exactly a surprise, the "surprise" is probably the promo/hype video he sent to teams narrated by Trevor Hoffman lol
but the competition will be fierce. If I’m Stearns, I definitely look into what it would take to get Soto, but I’d be OK with a DJ Stewart/Marte combo in RF. Bullpen obviously is a priority as well. Minor league pitching doesn’t have a lot of top of rotation potential, but it is fairly deep. Hopefully a couple of guys pop and either provide back end of rotation help or bullpen.
RE: I would love if the Mets could sign Nola away from Philly
There just aren’t many attainable ones that fit what they’re looking for. High end, not depth.
If they don’t get them, Pete moving increases.
if this means they are looking for velocity than it's basically yamamoto. or trading for burnes.
im not so sure it's worth chasing velocity in the starting rotation bc of all the risks that come along with it. rangers won the ws without a ton of velocity. dbacks didnt win but they similarly lacked high end velo. kelly, dunning, montgomery, gallen, scherzer, heaney all bottom have avg velo. eovaldi 69th percentile sure but senga at 77th percentile actually higher.
RE: RE: I would love if the Mets could sign Nola away from Philly
actually reasonably happy Narvaez is returning. Alvarez spoke highly of him, Christian Scott raved about him when he was rehabbing and he's friendly with Stearns (texted him when he was hired) if they hire Counsell, obviously him as well. As long as it's a 70/30, 80/20 split playing time-wise, I think Narvaez will provide "value".
actually reasonably happy Narvaez is returning. Alvarez spoke highly of him, Christian Scott raved about him when he was rehabbing and he's friendly with Stearns (texted him when he was hired) if they hire Counsell, obviously him as well. As long as it's a 70/30, 80/20 split playing time-wise, I think Narvaez will provide "value".
For sure. He's a quality guy in that role. Miles ahead of the trash we had before masquerading as starters even in Nidon't and McCann't.
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The Dodgers have declined right-hander Lance Lynn’s $18 million club option for 2024, a source tells The Athletic. He will receive a $1 million buyout.
A reunion is still possible between the two sides. Dodgers expected to be in the pitching market this winter.
actually reasonably happy Narvaez is returning. Alvarez spoke highly of him, Christian Scott raved about him when he was rehabbing and he's friendly with Stearns (texted him when he was hired) if they hire Counsell, obviously him as well. As long as it's a 70/30, 80/20 split playing time-wise, I think Narvaez will provide "value".
While $7M is a little pricey for that "value," if he is helping prospects exceed expectations and is comfortable being a bench player you find ways to adjust.
The Mets had 2 guys in the front office whose names started with a T. I thought I read somewhere that one of them left for another team.
Is my memory correct ?? Is this a big loss ??
Marc Tramuta is now with the Blue Jays. Drew Toussaint took on a bigger role in 2023 so that's likely the true reason Tramuta left and not a Stearns "firing" etc.
surgery for Kershaw. He's "hopeful" he will pitch again. Dodgers are now down 2 of their SP (he and Lynn) they will surely be involved in the SP market.
How does the industry feel about Counsell as next Mets manager?
surgery for Kershaw. He's "hopeful" he will pitch again. Dodgers are now down 2 of their SP (he and Lynn) they will surely be involved in the SP market.
Plus they may want to move on from Urias. Gonsolin out for the year with Tommy John. Buehler recovering from TJ
surgery for Kershaw. He's "hopeful" he will pitch again. Dodgers are now down 2 of their SP (he and Lynn) they will surely be involved in the SP market.
Plus they may want to move on from Urias. Gonsolin out for the year with Tommy John. Buehler recovering from TJ
the free agent market for pitchers may be ferocious. i would probably bet against there being a "bassitt" type steal for anyone this year.
surgery for Kershaw. He's "hopeful" he will pitch again. Dodgers are now down 2 of their SP (he and Lynn) they will surely be involved in the SP market.
Plus they may want to move on from Urias. Gonsolin out for the year with Tommy John. Buehler recovering from TJ
the free agent market for pitchers may be ferocious. i would probably bet against there being a "bassitt" type steal for anyone this year.
Well, it doesn't help either that there isn't much in terms of FA hitters. Beyond Ohtani, Bellinger and Chapman are the next big names. I would expect the trade market to be active as well because of this.
What kind of package would it take to get Soto from the Padres ??
Knowing that the Padres had to get a Loan to make payroll last September and will not be able to afford Juan Soto next year....what could the Mets offer in a deal. I think the Padres have got enough infielders as it stands now. They might want some cost-controlled pitching. The Mets have some interesting arms in the high Minor Leagues.
What kind of package would it take to get Soto from the Padres ??
Knowing that the Padres had to get a Loan to make payroll last September and will not be able to afford Juan Soto next year....what could the Mets offer in a deal. I think the Padres have got enough infielders as it stands now. They might want some cost-controlled pitching. The Mets have some interesting arms in the high Minor Leagues.
What might it take to get him to CitiField ??
I had proposed Parada and Acuna. I think that's fair. I'd rather stay away from trading Vasil/Tidwell/Scott, but if say Parada/Clifford/and another pitcher got it done, I'd do that.
Really would want to keep Jett and Gilbert on the minor league end.
who was the minor league pitcher at the end of last year who got injured at the end, and what was his injury? I am drawing a blank, and googling injured Mets pitchers will lead to 50,000 results.
who was the minor league pitcher at the end of last year who got injured at the end, and what was his injury? I am drawing a blank, and googling injured Mets pitchers will lead to 50,000 results.
Thanks in advance.
Scott got hurt and we thought it was bad but he ended up coming back to pitch.
via trade when you can get him for free next offseason for cash only.
Or another team trades for him and signs him to an extension. I couldn't disagree more. Soto is a game changer, and one of the best hitters in baseball. Just turned 25 and has a lifetime .946 OPS. He has a game that should age well IMO. I'd trade for him and sign him to a 12 year extension in a second.
who was the minor league pitcher at the end of last year who got injured at the end, and what was his injury? I am drawing a blank, and googling injured Mets pitchers will lead to 50,000 results.
Thanks in advance.
Scott got hurt and we thought it was bad but he ended up coming back to pitch.
Thanks. Thought it was Scott, but I had thought it was more serious.
What kind of package would it take to get Soto from the Padres ??
Knowing that the Padres had to get a Loan to make payroll last September and will not be able to afford Juan Soto next year....what could the Mets offer in a deal. I think the Padres have got enough infielders as it stands now. They might want some cost-controlled pitching. The Mets have some interesting arms in the high Minor Leagues.
What might it take to get him to CitiField ??
I had proposed Parada and Acuna. I think that's fair. I'd rather stay away from trading Vasil/Tidwell/Scott, but if say Parada/Clifford/and another pitcher got it done, I'd do that.
Really would want to keep Jett and Gilbert on the minor league end.
I would do that deal....Parada keeps lowering his value as a Catcher. He may have to find a new position. I might even add one of the mentioned Pitchers to make it happen.
Jett is a Keeper, maybe as a CF in the Bigs. The 'Verlander Outfielders' are worth keeping too.
via trade when you can get him for free next offseason for cash only.
Or another team trades for him and signs him to an extension. I couldn't disagree more. Soto is a game changer, and one of the best hitters in baseball. Just turned 25 and has a lifetime .946 OPS. He has a game that should age well IMO. I'd trade for him and sign him to a 12 year extension in a second.
He's hitting free agency no matter who trades for him. Mets can just sign him for free in one year. I'm not trading three top prospects and continuing to build a poorly constructed roster with massive bloat of salary for a few players and nothing else.
Is having a truly brutal AFL and the Padres have the best C prospect in baseball. That would be a very surprising player for them to target.
Then substitute players of equivalent rankings. Acuna/Clifford/lesser pitcher besides top 3-4; Acuna/one of the SP/Ramirez or similar other prospect. Whatever.
Mets RHP prospect Dominic Hamel finished the year strong!
Final 9 starts:
48 IP/1.88 ERA/.189 BA/61 K(32.4%)/17 BB(9%)
FB: 93-97 w/20 inches of IVB
Mixes a SL and Cutter with a distinct curve.
Could debut in 2024.
Me-(Hamel still probably 60/40 ends up in the BP but if he can throw strikes he has #4 SP potential)
including Acuna (who is the Mets top ranked prospect and similar skill set/position with Jett), and a 3rd flyer.
For one of the top prospects, a guy like Baty/Vientos/Mauricio could be in the discussion, though I'd balk at giving up both Acuna and Mauricio for a player on the last year of his contract.
Gray, 34 next season and will cost picks for a team but is quietly one of the more consistent SP in baseball. No surprise the Braves would be interested
including Acuna (who is the Mets top ranked prospect and similar skill set/position with Jett), and a 3rd flyer.
For one of the top prospects, a guy like Baty/Vientos/Mauricio could be in the discussion, though I'd balk at giving up both Acuna and Mauricio for a player on the last year of his contract.
Jett is the Mets best prospect. Writers just haven't realized yet it like us here.
including Acuna (who is the Mets top ranked prospect and similar skill set/position with Jett), and a 3rd flyer.
For one of the top prospects, a guy like Baty/Vientos/Mauricio could be in the discussion, though I'd balk at giving up both Acuna and Mauricio for a player on the last year of his contract.
Jett is the Mets best prospect. Writers just haven't realized yet it like us here.
Think it’s clear they have 3 top guys in some order and the debates really become interesting at 4. I’m not including guys like Baty/Mauricio. Just players still in the minors. I’m guessing most sites would have Clifford next, but I’m sure some think Parada deserves another year before docking him too much, Houck. Don’t know that there is a great argument for anybody else in that group though I’m exceptionally high on Scott if his arm can hold up. Ramirez had an awful season but it’s still one season, so like Parada (who was more meh than awful like Ramirez but is a little older than Ramirez) you hold out hope he bounces back. Vargas is probably a lower upside guy but has a real ability to hit and that’s not nothing. I like Tidwell/Vasil, but look like decent backend or BP guys (we shall see). Sproat? Who knows? Should be an interesting 2024
kind of a Gallo type with not as much power, but a (hopefully better hit tool: average hit tool at 50 per MLB pipeline)
I could easily see him being a very valuable corner OF. Hitting .240 or whatever, but with 30+ HRs. Or I could easily see him busting out. You never know with prospects, but with him I just have no idea.
Is having a truly brutal AFL and the Padres have the best C prospect in baseball. That would be a very surprising player for them to target.
Brutal is being kind. Wife & I just got back from seeing 4 games of the Desert Dogs. I have no idea how Parada was drafted #1. Sure, he had excellent Division 1 stats, but I was flabbergasted at how bad he was.
Guys stealing bases left & right. Parada's many throwing errors. Scouts had him as a 40 arm...that might be generous also.
Other catching skills looked OK, but his bat was under .200 and very soft, weak contact. In the 3 games we saw, a lot swings & misses, K's, and weak contact. Tired? long season? nursing an injury?
T. McLoughlin looked good...JT Schwartz was hitter of the week while we were there, but then tailed off.
pads would get a player they can insert right away plus a quality AA prospect. if pushed to do gilbert or acuna instead of parada it's probably a give you make. maybe you kick in $+marte too and the pads figure it's a "free" name player they can sell since he was an all star just a year ago.
nimmo - lindor - soto - alonso 1-4 is worth it.
mcneil - alvarez - baty 5-7 is solid with upside.
8-9 mauricio or vientos will still be around. maybe you sign a canha type to compliment stewart.
it's not exactly similar, but once upon a time stearns rightly saw yelich as a uniquely worth it bat to be aggressive for. soto is maybe the closest position player since.
the only counterargument is why not just sign ohtani "free"? that makes it a lot easier to trade assets for burnes if nec.
What kind of package would it take to get Soto from the Padres ??
Knowing that the Padres had to get a Loan to make payroll last September and will not be able to afford Juan Soto next year....what could the Mets offer in a deal. I think the Padres have got enough infielders as it stands now. They might want some cost-controlled pitching. The Mets have some interesting arms in the high Minor Leagues.
What might it take to get him to CitiField ??
I had proposed Parada and Acuna. I think that's fair. I'd rather stay away from trading Vasil/Tidwell/Scott, but if say Parada/Clifford/and another pitcher got it done, I'd do that.
Really would want to keep Jett and Gilbert on the minor league end.
I would do that deal....Parada keeps lowering his value as a Catcher. He may have to find a new position. I might even add one of the mentioned Pitchers to make it happen.
Jett is a Keeper, maybe as a CF in the Bigs. The 'Verlander Outfielders' are worth keeping too.
Very cool you got to attend games. The Mets sent a very uninteresting group this year. Mostly organizational filler + Parada + Jordan and Schwartz
We try to go every year as we live in Las Vegas, so just a 4 1/2 hour drive. We went the year Alonso hit 53 in his rookie season specifically to see if the scouts were right/wrong re: his defense being OK. Within two games, I turned to my wife and said loudly (we sit in or close to the scouts), Pete is MLB ready! A couple of scouts turned and nodded yes.
I'm an ex shortstop and my wife's first husband was a shortstop in the minor league SF Giants org, so we know a bit about infield play.
this site claims to be about 90%+ accurate evaluating real trades
including Acuna (who is the Mets top ranked prospect and similar skill set/position with Jett), and a 3rd flyer.
For one of the top prospects, a guy like Baty/Vientos/Mauricio could be in the discussion, though I'd balk at giving up both Acuna and Mauricio for a player on the last year of his contract.
I'm an admitted prospect hugger but there's no way I'm trading Acuna. He's close to the majors, developing power, great speed, and those bloodlines. I simply wouldn't trade him, I think he's a key part of the Mets' future. This team needs speed and we are seeing a real speed movement in baseball.
including Acuna (who is the Mets top ranked prospect and similar skill set/position with Jett), and a 3rd flyer.
For one of the top prospects, a guy like Baty/Vientos/Mauricio could be in the discussion, though I'd balk at giving up both Acuna and Mauricio for a player on the last year of his contract.
I'm an admitted prospect hugger but there's no way I'm trading Acuna. He's close to the majors, developing power, great speed, and those bloodlines. I simply wouldn't trade him, I think he's a key part of the Mets' future. This team needs speed and we are seeing a real speed movement in baseball.
I like Acuna a lot as well. Soto is one of the few I trade him for. Still have Jett, Mauricio. If they don’t trade him great, I agree Acuna and Jett and Mauricio would provide a ton of excitement.
Eric the only issue with Ohtani is the ton of options he has
Mets no guarantee to get him even if high bidder. Plus DH only. But you do what you can to clear room for a player like that. Vientos/Parada almost definitely become trade bait at that point, hopefully for pitching.
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Cuban RHP Yariel Rodriguez (26) was declared free agent by MLB, per sources.
He is eligible to sign with an MLB team starting today.
I just read that Kevin Parada and JT Schwartz were selected to the Arizona Fall League All Star game to be played this Sunday at 8:00 EST. The game will be televised on MLB.com.
Mets no guarantee to get him even if high bidder. Plus DH only. But you do what you can to clear room for a player like that. Vientos/Parada almost definitely become trade bait at that point, hopefully for pitching.
think i said this in a diff post than the one you are responding to but the only way you dont go for soto is if ohtani has at that point communicated he wants to come to the mets. i agree with you, 0 guarantee at this point that's the mets so you have to pursue soto unless that somehow changes.
I dont think its wise to go absorb/tie the franchise to big dollars to the lineup until we get a solid pipeline of starting pitching in place.
A bat like Soto would be a big upgrade but we wont get there until we have 2-3 healthy front line starters.
So if Yamamoto is a Met few months from now, we can revisit this.
I don't see how fans can see the results of the Texas Ranges with Nathan Eovaldi and Jordan Mongtomery as their "aces" and feel like the Mets can't compete in 2024.
Scherzer, the guy they expected to be the ace, shit the bed.
deGrom didn't make it out of April.
The Mets can compete in 2023 with quality starters, just need them to be "good enough" but need a lights out bullpen.
I'm starting to feel like sure if you have the cash shell out the money for an ace pitcher, but you don't need them to win championships.
I mean as Mets fans we watched a painful world series with a rotation filled with aces lose to the Royals less than a decade ago.
I dont think its wise to go absorb/tie the franchise to big dollars to the lineup until we get a solid pipeline of starting pitching in place.
A bat like Soto would be a big upgrade but we wont get there until we have 2-3 healthy front line starters.
So if Yamamoto is a Met few months from now, we can revisit this.
I don't see how fans can see the results of the Texas Ranges with Nathan Eovaldi and Jordan Mongtomery as their "aces" and feel like the Mets can't compete in 2024.
Scherzer, the guy they expected to be the ace, shit the bed.
deGrom didn't make it out of April.
The Mets can compete in 2023 with quality starters, just need them to be "good enough" but need a lights out bullpen.
I'm starting to feel like sure if you have the cash shell out the money for an ace pitcher, but you don't need them to win championships.
I mean as Mets fans we watched a painful world series with a rotation filled with aces lose to the Royals less than a decade ago.
i think this is 100% the correct strategy. lights out bullpen, quality lineup that plays defense, starters good enough to just get 5-6 innings of 3 runs or less. basically a rotation of bassitts/quintanas.
i know wins are somewhat of a vanity stat unrelated to the pitcher, but the fact that bartolo had more wins as a met in 3 years than harvey in 6 here has always stuck with me. when he was signed it was as a replacement for harvey's rehab season and he ended up outproducing him and throwing 200 innings every year.
just to impart that post into a real life scenario
one obvious issue is the Mets have nowhere near a top bullpen, in fact it was one of the worst in baseball in 2023. Yeah Diaz is a beast but they traded Robertson (arguably their best RP in 2023). Smith and Gott are filler at best. Raley is solid. Lot of work to be done.
one obvious issue is the Mets have nowhere near a top bullpen, in fact it was one of the worst in baseball in 2023. Yeah Diaz is a beast but they traded Robertson (arguably their best RP in 2023). Smith and Gott are filler at best. Raley is solid. Lot of work to be done.
they need 2 late game adds, and lugo is a perfect 5th sp/flex guy who shifts to pen in postseaon or if someone like vasil is ready to come up.
if eppler was still here robertson would have seemed very likely, now not as sure who stearns will target. suter seems like 1 obvious choice.
pass on bringing back Robertson, back to back seasons where he fell apart second half. His last 2 second half's
52.1 innings 31 walks
At 39, it's fair to wonder if he can handle a full season of pitching when it's happened back to back years (this season obviously worse).
i think part of his falloff was overuse. remember the canha homer was b2b games and at like 30 pitches. then we had to use the crap out of him without diaz. not many other options out there, id be willing to take a chance on him but you have to build enough depth to not over use him. ideally very little b2b or more than 1 inning.
will go somewhere like the Angels, rave about Buck Showalter and then suddenly call Buck racist or something of that nature. Cubs were pretty fed up with him at the end... as most teams tend to be.
to cross off Hader, when reached about his promo video he called himself the best closer in baseball. Not saying he's right or wrong but if he comes to NY it will be with the Yankees. Dodgers reportedly interested.
I would really like to see them add a powerhouse RF. This lineup cooked when Marte was on his game, but he is damaged goods now. Buy him out and look elsewhere. Maybe in Juan Soto's direction.
Add quality Starting Pitchers in their Prime.
No to Stroman. And Hell No to Vogey. This roster needs a refresh.
I would love to see them turn Mauricio into a RF. Perhaps that is where they feel Gilbert will slot into long term.
But one thing that makes sense to me is that you have Acuna, Mauricio, and Jett, and all are middle infielders with SS locked down by Lindor. The obvious solution is you have to start making one or two of these guys outfielders in the near term. Squirrell can play left. I want to see Acuna in the majors by the end of May, and he needs to play MI or CF, CF would be my preference, but then you have to move Nimmo, and that means LF bc he doesn't have a RF arm.
Then Jeff moves to DH? Or permanent 2B? If the latter...Mauricio needs to be in RF or you should just trade someone. Do you really make Jeff the primary DH in this scenario?
He's a fraking shortstop and Vientos / Baty are 3rd baseman.
The obvious thing to do is trade 2 of them since we already have Lindor.
You have a guy who can play like 3 different positions well and you're going to give that up to play him at DH so you can play some guy with no plate discipline and will likely not amount to a hill of beans.
to see what Stearns wants to do. I may be in minority but I don’t see McNeil here for his contract term. I also don’t want Robertson back. Better use of money elsewhere and trust Stearns will see that. You already have Ottavino. Deciding and sticking to a good DH strategy will help too. No more Vogelbachs.
Mets do have some superfluous bats without hard positions they can move for a pitcher or a real steady corner outfielder. While I like versatility and depth, I think some teams also went gung ho on just moving players around the field and are now scaling that back a bit.
Building pitching and positional depth is really key. Mets have for most part had pig slop in depth areas last 3-4 years regardless of high payroll.
said than done but would be great to try and replicate whast Ng did with Miami adding Puk/Tanner Scott for very little, buying low on talent. Scott was one of the top RP in baseball in 2023.
April 3, 2022: Traded by the Baltimore Orioles with Cole Sulser to the Miami Marlins for a player to be named later, Kevin Guerrero (minors) and Antonio Velez (minors). The Miami Marlins sent Yaqui Rivera (minors) (June 1, 2022) to the Baltimore Orioles to complete the trade.
Puk for Bleday, a former 1st rounder who didn't develop at all.
average return date for RP is now around 13 months. SP's 15. For context, Montes De Oca had TJ March 30th and he said he hopes to be back by mid-season.
me, he said he hopes to make an appearance in September and then have a normal off-season for 2025
"“The lower end of that, if I push it, 13 months will be around Sept. 2,” Hendriks said. “My goal is to be able to pitch next year and then be able to have a relatively normal offseason. I want to be able to get back out there and pitch and go back into my normal routine, a little bit more of just the way I do my offseason throwing programs and stuff like that. It’s going to be an important facet for me."
had TJ August 2nd. He's out for the entire 2024 season. He's already said he expects to come back strong in 2025.
looks like 2024 is still in play - from yesterday:
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GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Liam Hendriks intends to pitch at some point late in the 2024 season, despite undergoing Tommy John surgery on Aug. 2 in ‘23.
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His goal is to get back to the mound as soon as possible, which should surprise no one familiar with Hendriks’ fortitude.
“It’s just who I am. I don’t necessarily want to get into a position mentally where I’m OK with delaying things. It’s going to be a constant push to try and, ‘Oh, this is my goal? I want to beat that goal,’” Hendriks said. “Also doing it in a smart way.
“We’ll see as far as what everything else goes. Just a matter of going through the steps, the game plan from the surgeon. Sent Dr. [Keith] Meister [Hendriks’ Tommy John surgeon] a text, and I’ve already tried to trim some fat off the throwing program a little bit, but we’ll see how that goes.”
“Interesting, but certainly not surprising. The 34-year-old fought his way through chemotherapy and immunotherapy to treat Stage 4 non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, a diagnosis announced on Jan. 8 on his Instagram, and was able to return on May 29. So, he certainly will work his way toward the early side of the 12-14 month recovery following a procedure to repair a torn ulnar collateral ligament.
The lower end of that, if I push it, 13 months will be around Sept. 2,” Hendriks said. “My goal is to be able to pitch next year and then be able to have a relatively normal offseason. I want to be able to get back out there and pitch and go back into my normal routine, a little bit more of just the way I do my offseason throwing programs and stuff like that. It’s going to be an important facet for me.
“Depending on what happens contract-wise, who knows if I’m going to need that little showcase at the end of the season to be able to get a job. We’ll take that as it comes. It’s a wide range with one side being back in August and one side not being back at all.”
himself at the end of the season = not an option for the 2024 Mets. Not really sure why you're pushing back on this, it's from his mouth. Best case is August, "worst case" is misses the full season, and if he pushes it, early September. That's from him.
me, he said he hopes to make an appearance in September and then have a normal off-season for 2025
"“The lower end of that, if I push it, 13 months will be around Sept. 2,” Hendriks said. “My goal is to be able to pitch next year and then be able to have a relatively normal offseason. I want to be able to get back out there and pitch and go back into my normal routine, a little bit more of just the way I do my offseason throwing programs and stuff like that. It’s going to be an important facet for me."
So yeah, he's not a 2024 option
id take the risk. it will be cheap because the odds are he is nowhere near "liam hendriks" but if he does somehow return in time to get to the postseason roster you may be getting a back end guy for the games that matter in october. not too different from risks like holland and betances in years past where you are hoping to get lucky, except with cohen the $ is there so if it doesnt work out it's no big deal.
reportedly hopes to head back to the Dodgers. I wonder if he takes less to go there, Muncy's extension was team friendly. The weather obviously helps but the " winning culture" does team to help the Dodgers
“Interesting, but certainly not surprising. The 34-year-old fought his way through chemotherapy and immunotherapy to treat Stage 4 non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, a diagnosis announced on Jan. 8 on his Instagram, and was able to return on May 29. So, he certainly will work his way toward the early side of the 12-14 month recovery following a procedure to repair a torn ulnar collateral ligament.
The lower end of that, if I push it, 13 months will be around Sept. 2,” Hendriks said. “My goal is to be able to pitch next year and then be able to have a relatively normal offseason. I want to be able to get back out there and pitch and go back into my normal routine, a little bit more of just the way I do my offseason throwing programs and stuff like that. It’s going to be an important facet for me.
“Depending on what happens contract-wise, who knows if I’m going to need that little showcase at the end of the season to be able to get a job. We’ll take that as it comes. It’s a wide range with one side being back in August and one side not being back at all.”
this is the exact point - you are gambling on an unpredictable range hoping he hits the side in august/sept so he can be of value in oct. there may not be any other teams willing to risk 2-3m on that.
point is, if absolute best case is August and "worst case" is all of 2024(his own words) and saying he may pitch at the end of the season as a showcase that's not really a piece of the 2024 bullpen. That's a "bonus" if it works out.
Obviously his career has been a roller coaster and he has struggled mightily at times, but he's the kind of gamble I think a team like the Mets could take. Not relying on him for a specific role, but if he gets "right" can be a wild card in the pen.
point is, if absolute best case is August and "worst case" is all of 2024(his own words) and saying he may pitch at the end of the season as a showcase that's not really a piece of the 2024 bullpen. That's a "bonus" if it works out.
100% but if it works out it saves you trading a vargas type prospect at the deadline for whoever next years robertson is. the injury makes the price somewhere way south of what even robertson will cost with an arguably higher upside.
i have wanted drew smith gone for most of the last 2 years but him being in the bp through july and then hopefully replaced by hendriks aug-oct is a fine use of a "slot".
they'd still need to sign a robertson + suter combo. get lugo as your 5th SP and you can hope that a postseason BP would be diaz closing with robertson, suter, hendriks, lugo, otto, raley setting up. even if only 3 of those 6 pitch well/stay healthy you have a 4 deep back end.
you can probably get lugo, robertson, suter, hendriks for somwhere between 25-30m in 2024. lugo probably the only guy who needs a multi-year deal. which leaves room for a big multi-year deal for at least 1 top rotation SP while keeping the payroll in the neighborhood of the 2022 level.
i think that would be my plan - along with being "opportunistic" for soto/ohtani if either is gettable. getting 1 of those guys is pretty much the only way i can see the payroll matching the 2023 level.
Brewers did pretty well here. Not sure there is a massive gap between Holub and Jarvis value-wise when you consider it was a deadline deal (higher costs) Jarvis is rule 5 eligible and *likely* a RP himself. Especially, when deadline costs are generally higher.
Boca -- Where has JT Schwartz been playing in the Field. I know he's got first baseman's glove and some outfield burn.
Rory -- I wish you'd expand on your 'bad fit' assessment of Soto. His OPS is always over 900, and he's only 25 years old.
1B and looked good, comfortable there.
The problem is he doesn’t look like he has the pop you want from a 1B
Perhaps, JT said in an interview that he wants to be a gap to gap hitter vs. a pull guy. I actually saw him do this, hit to left late in the count. He had 2 doubles and 2 Hrs in the four games I was there.
said than done but would be great to try and replicate whast Ng did with Miami adding Puk/Tanner Scott for very little, buying low on talent. Scott was one of the top RP in baseball in 2023.
April 3, 2022: Traded by the Baltimore Orioles with Cole Sulser to the Miami Marlins for a player to be named later, Kevin Guerrero (minors) and Antonio Velez (minors). The Miami Marlins sent Yaqui Rivera (minors) (June 1, 2022) to the Baltimore Orioles to complete the trade.
Puk for Bleday, a former 1st rounder who didn't develop at all.
I love Tanner Scott. Great future top 5 closer. If we can make a trade you have to consider it.
Orix Buffaloes announced to have admitted Yoshinobu Yamamoto to transfer to the MLB through the posting system.
he'd definitely be my top target but im not sure he's the entire key. since 2021 nola is the 4th most productive SP in mlb, montgomery 17, gray 18, snell 19. ohtani 12th.
the 5 year age difference is highly attractive but im not too worried about a pitcher staying healthy through age 35 assuming all these guys get 4 or 5 year deals. i think the key is that they get 1 of yamamoto, montgomery, nola, snell, or trade for burnes bc any of them would form at least a competent top 2 with senga. getting any 2 of them would be even better though id imagine the 2nd sp will more likely be a lugo/martinez type in the range of quintanas contract.
to me how posting works? I forgot, it seems like it's been a while since Dice-K who was the first one I paid attention to.
Does Yamamoto have a say in it or is it basically just highest bidder to pay the posting fee is the only one he can negotiate with?
He 100% gets to choose his next team, his previous team gets a cut of his contract. That's the long and short of it. It's FA with the NPB essentially serving as his "agent" (not in the sense they will do the negotiating, in the sense they get a cut)
RE: with only 1 year left of arbitration (2025 FA)
If CC leaves, then it makes sense for them to move Burnes and firesale at the deadline.
Devin Williams?
They may well consider moving Williams but the cost would likely be immense. He's team-controlled for the next 2 seasons and his projected 2024 salary is only about 6 million. He'd likely cost "top" prospects as they have no incentive to move him.
probably put Bednar near that tier as well but he's never pitched in a big game/series because he's with the Pirates. Pressley/Minter somewhere in the next tier.
turn out to be a one year wonder but the Mets should be all over Robert Stephenson. 13.2 k/9, 3.10 era in 2023, absolutely dominant once he joined the Rays. He's going tot be a very popular name
could see Miami moving Edward Cabrera. I'm sure there are plenty of teams who think they can unlock more out of him. He was almost traded for Justin Turner at the deadline. I'd kick the tires there.
The Mets are close to naming a new manager because top candidate Craig Counsell is expected to choose a team within the next few days, a league source with direct knowledge of the process said Sunday morning.
Counsell has interviewed with the Mets and Cleveland Guardians, and could also return to Milwaukee. Cleveland is said to be a strong contender for his services, as well.
During the Mets’ interview process, Yankees bench coach Carlos Mendoza has also emerged as a very strong candidate. Mendoza has interviewed well this offseason in Cleveland and San Francisco. He is also interviewing this weekend with San Diego.
The only scenario that could seemingly delay the Mets’ process beyond this week is if both Counsell and Mendoza take jobs elsewhere.
RE: RE: RE: This report says that if the Brewers match Counsell's best offer he'll
“While the New York Mets and Cleveland Guardians are in strong pursuit, friends close to Counsell still predict he returns to Milwaukee, but receives a raise from $3.5 million to more than $5 million, making him the highest-paid manger in the game. - Nightengale
Jesus Luzardo? My wet dream is for the Mets to get him. I was hoping they could trade Baty straight up for him last off-season. What say about him possibly being out there this off-season?
RE: Dan - This is pie in the sky, but would the Marlins entertain trading
Jesus Luzardo? My wet dream is for the Mets to get him. I was hoping they could trade Baty straight up for him last off-season. What say about him possibly being out there this off-season?
There were rumors last off-season they considered moving him for a “big bat”. The problem is obviously the Mets don’t have one to spare. Worth making the call though
Expected within the next 72 hours. Mendoza interviewed with SD this weekend. Genuinely curious what the pivot would be if they hired him today as they waited on Counsell and Counsell went back to Mil. I guess it would be Andy Green? Doubt it comes to that. Seems like 60/40 Mendoza right now but we shall see
Expected within the next 72 hours. Mendoza interviewed with SD this weekend. Genuinely curious what the pivot would be if they hired him today as they waited on Counsell and Counsell went back to Mil. I guess it would be Andy Green? Doubt it comes to that. Seems like 60/40 Mendoza right now but we shall see
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Sources: The posting of OF Jung Hoo Lee by the Kiwoom Heroes is not expected to occur until later this month and could wait until after the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday. Game 1 of the Korean Series is Tuesday, and the announcement will wait until the KBO season ends. @MLBNetwork
And with that, Counsell's choices are now down to @Brewers and @Mets. I don't think many expected him to pick the Guardians anyway. Vogt has been highly regarded as a potential manager for years ala Cash/Ross, so he seems like an inspired hire by @CleGuardians #Mets
rickie weeks among them - which seems to me like a pre-emptive move to lock down as many people in their org they like as possible knowing stearns is going to be heavy in the staffing game for a while even after counsell makes a decision.
for a small market team to pay any manager the equivalent of 5% (1/20th) of their active roster payroll (which at year's end was about 30 players) seems a little crazy, but i guess it sends a bad message to also let people who want to stay leave over money - but that's the destiny of any successful small market team.
sounds like we'll know soon if it's counsell or mendoza
Michael Marino
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I’ve sensed a Mets unwillingness to blow MIL’s offer to Craig Counsell completely out of the water. I think it’s entirely possible their offer ends up around $2 million more per year than MIL’s. Is that enough to drag him out of MIL? My guess is no. We’ll find out soon enough.
Worth noting "first time" managers have had quite a bit of success in recent years. Last 2 NL WS teams were helmed by first timers, before that Snitker, Cora, Dave Martinez, Kevin Cash, Dave Roberts all made and/or won the WS since 2017 #Mets
all rumors seem to coalescing around a decision of 1 or other today
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Sources: Not a lot of concern exists about the possibility of the Mets losing out on both Craig Counsell and Carlos Mendoza. If the Mets were to miss out on Craig Counsell, they believe they shouldn’t have much trouble transitioning to a Mendoza hiring.
i don't know much about mendoza other than the last few weeks of reading but ill assume he's more experienced version of luis rojas. who didnt do so badly until controversy hit. i like that he has a strong defensive reputation.
of the QO decisions this season appear to be no-brainer. Soler is maybe the most ? I can think of given Miami's cheapness and Bell opting in at 16.5. I have a feeling Soler ends up an awful signing for somebody but if he doesn't have a QO his market should be decent.
like i said mendoza feels most comparable to rojas - the big difference being that rojas was 4 years younger when he got the promotion and mendoza has spent those years at the big league level for the yankees, which is id imagine meaningful experience in knowing the difference between managing a minor leaguer clubhouse and a big leaguer clubhouse (which is where rojas seemed out of his depth). rojas had only had 1 year at the big league level before being named manager at 38, which was at the time 2nd youngest in mlb.
seeing this as i finished this post, the way this is being handled makes me think it's a return to MIL. if he was leaving i think he'd handle the exit in a quieter manner.
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Craig Counsell has decided which team he will manage. Announcèment should come this afternoon. Mets and Brewers are certainly finalists.
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Late morning Monday, Carlos Mendoza remains in very strong position to be the next Mets manager . Official world on Counsell destination coming soon
and used Mets to get the best offer he could from them. Don't wish him any ill will, but it would be odd for him to go through this whole process only to leave MIL at the last minute.
Hope this post turns out to be wrong in the next 30 minutes or so or whenever it leaks where he ends up.
and used Mets to get the best offer he could from them. Don't wish him any ill will, but it would be odd for him to go through this whole process only to leave MIL at the last minute.
Hope this post turns out to be wrong in the next 30 minutes or so or whenever it leaks where he ends up.
i assume the same. this whole thing ended up getting a little silly. almost reminiscent of when the mets were negotiating with seattle for lou pinella. pick a team and let's move on to the fun of cohen winning us another offseason.
Marlins made a great POBO hire yesterday in Pete Bendix from the Rays. I Know a lot of us were hoping he would come to the Mets in that role or as GM when we were looking.
like how many people even know counsell's name? what % of met fans are even paying attention to this? 5%? maybe 10% max? just decide and let someone tweet it. nobody needs an explanation it's all pretty simple. staying home or getting paid.
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Bob Nightengale
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Milwaukee Brewers GM Matt Arnold while waiting manager Craig Counsell’s decision: ‘Consistent with our policy regarding contract negotiations and out of respect for both Craig and the process, we are not going to comment on our discussions at this time.”
RE: RE: Dan - This is pie in the sky, but would the Marlins entertain trading
Jesus Luzardo? My wet dream is for the Mets to get him. I was hoping they could trade Baty straight up for him last off-season. What say about him possibly being out there this off-season?
There were rumors last off-season they considered moving him for a “big bat”. The problem is obviously the Mets don’t have one to spare. Worth making the call though
Do you think the Marlins would do Luzardo for Baty, Acuna, & Peterson? Is that too much from the Mets' side.
Past three years: 3 different teams, 3 World Series rings. A good luck charm that can overcome the cursed Mets?
The canary in the coal mine will be if Vogel is back. If he is they are "rebuilding". If they jettison him then you know they are re-loading and just told Max that to get him to waive his trade clause and thought his best days were behind him.
Add quality Starting Pitchers in their Prime.
No to Stroman. And Hell No to Vogey. This roster needs a refresh.
If they don’t get them, Pete moving increases.
Add quality Starting Pitchers in their Prime.
No to Stroman. And Hell No to Vogey. This roster needs a refresh.
Soto is my top wish, behind Yamamoto. Sign Yamamoto and trade some prospects for Soto. Mets have a glut (never a bad thing), so I would have no issue doing something like Parada and Acuna for Soto. Parada blocked at DH and C by Alvarez and Vientos. INF you have Lindor, Jett coming, McNeil, Mauricio, younger guys, etc.
Would love to add a Nola and Yakamoto to refresh the pitching staff.
That said, I want Yamamoto and another top 8 SP from that list, and even though he's a Phillie I would love Nola.
We need some relievers, anxious to see what Stearns does with this high end prospect group. I don't think all of Alvarez, Batt, Vientos, and Mauricio will be here next year, so who does he trade and who does he bet on?
What to do with Alonso? I am not one to think Alonso is untradable. If you got Burnes, signed Yamamoto, sign Nola, to go with Senga and Quintana, then you have the staff yo compete against anyone. And you put Vientos at first or whatever, sign Mitch Garver who can play first base, DH and catcher. I'm spitballing here but I'd like to see an elite rotation with no one older than 33 (other than Quintana).
Get the Acuna up here and hopefully Gilbert not too far behind.
I believe in Vientos, Alvarez, and Mauricio and think they will generate enough power. Where everyone plays I have no idea.
Ottavino will be a good re-sign for reasonable money as a bullpen piece hoping that Diaz is back and good as new!
Add quality Starting Pitchers in their Prime.
No to Stroman. And Hell No to Vogey. This roster needs a refresh.
I would love to see them turn Mauricio into a RF. Perhaps that is where they feel Gilbert will slot into long term.
But one thing that makes sense to me is that you have Acuna, Mauricio, and Jett, and all are middle infielders with SS locked down by Lindor. The obvious solution is you have to start making one or two of these guys outfielders in the near term. Squirrell can play left. I want to see Acuna in the majors by the end of May, and he needs to play MI or CF, CF would be my preference, but then you have to move Nimmo, and that means LF bc he doesn't have a RF arm.
Then Jeff moves to DH? Or permanent 2B? If the latter...Mauricio needs to be in RF or you should just trade someone. Do you really make Jeff the primary DH in this scenario?
Ottavino will be a good re-sign for reasonable money as a bullpen piece hoping that Diaz is back and good as new!
Ottavino will be back (player option)
Would love to add a Nola and Yakamoto to refresh the pitching staff.
The Mets won't sign a starting pitcher who receives a qualifying offer.
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If they don’t get them, Pete moving increases.
if this means they are looking for velocity than it's basically yamamoto. or trading for burnes.
im not so sure it's worth chasing velocity in the starting rotation bc of all the risks that come along with it. rangers won the ws without a ton of velocity. dbacks didnt win but they similarly lacked high end velo. kelly, dunning, montgomery, gallen, scherzer, heaney all bottom have avg velo. eovaldi 69th percentile sure but senga at 77th percentile actually higher.
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They do a good job of signing our pitchers away like Wheeler, Walker.......Tug McGraw in the old days....
Would love to add a Nola and Yakamoto to refresh the pitching staff.
The Mets won't sign a starting pitcher who receives a qualifying offer.
despite the rumors im not totally convinced on that.
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For sure. He's a quality guy in that role. Miles ahead of the trash we had before masquerading as starters even in Nidon't and McCann't.
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They do a good job of signing our pitchers away like Wheeler, Walker.......Tug McGraw in the old days....
Would love to add a Nola and Yakamoto to refresh the pitching staff.
The Mets won't sign a starting pitcher who receives a qualifying offer.
Just because they don’t want to, doesn’t mean they absolutely won’t give up a pick. Never say never.
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They do a good job of signing our pitchers away like Wheeler, Walker.......Tug McGraw in the old days....
Would love to add a Nola and Yakamoto to refresh the pitching staff.
The Mets won't sign a starting pitcher who receives a qualifying offer.
Just because they don’t want to, doesn’t mean they absolutely won’t give up a pick. Never say never.
they may have to. whatever this offseason lacks in velocity and position players, the strength is in a pretty good number of prime aged SP options.
Carlos Mendoza is also familiar with @mets C Omar Narvaez as both were members of the 2023 VZ WBC team, Mendoza serving as bench coach #Mets
bottomline is i expect they will spend at least $50m or $60m on pitchers that will get them back to the $300m payroll range from 2022.
Are you predicting this?
or,
It has actually happened?
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The Dodgers have declined right-hander Lance Lynn’s $18 million club option for 2024, a source tells The Athletic. He will receive a $1 million buyout.
A reunion is still possible between the two sides. Dodgers expected to be in the pitching market this winter.
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returns, option picked up
Are you predicting this?
or,
It has actually happened?
Has happened. Mets pick up his option.
While $7M is a little pricey for that "value," if he is helping prospects exceed expectations and is comfortable being a bench player you find ways to adjust.
The Mets had 2 guys in the front office whose names started with a T. I thought I read somewhere that one of them left for another team.
Is my memory correct ?? Is this a big loss ??
$6.5 million.
The Mets had 2 guys in the front office whose names started with a T. I thought I read somewhere that one of them left for another team.
Is my memory correct ?? Is this a big loss ??
Marc Tramuta is now with the Blue Jays. Drew Toussaint took on a bigger role in 2023 so that's likely the true reason Tramuta left and not a Stearns "firing" etc.
The Mets had 2 guys in the front office whose names started with a T. I thought I read somewhere that one of them left for another team.
Is my memory correct ?? Is this a big loss ??
Marc Tramuta and Tommy Tanous. Tramuta left last month to go back to the Jays though. Here are some old articles about them:
MMO EXCLUSIVE: METS DIRECTOR OF AMATEUR SCOUTING MARC TRAMUTA - Posted by Jack Ramsey | Jul 21, 2021
MORNING BRIEFING: MARC TRAMUTA LEAVES METS FOR TORONTO - Posted by Shaun Chornobroff | Oct 4, 2023
Marc Tramuta Leaving Mets For Blue Jays Special Assistant Role - By Alexis Farinacci - October 4, 2023
Plus they may want to move on from Urias. Gonsolin out for the year with Tommy John. Buehler recovering from TJ
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surgery for Kershaw. He's "hopeful" he will pitch again. Dodgers are now down 2 of their SP (he and Lynn) they will surely be involved in the SP market.
Plus they may want to move on from Urias. Gonsolin out for the year with Tommy John. Buehler recovering from TJ
the free agent market for pitchers may be ferocious. i would probably bet against there being a "bassitt" type steal for anyone this year.
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surgery for Kershaw. He's "hopeful" he will pitch again. Dodgers are now down 2 of their SP (he and Lynn) they will surely be involved in the SP market.
Plus they may want to move on from Urias. Gonsolin out for the year with Tommy John. Buehler recovering from TJ
the free agent market for pitchers may be ferocious. i would probably bet against there being a "bassitt" type steal for anyone this year.
Well, it doesn't help either that there isn't much in terms of FA hitters. Beyond Ohtani, Bellinger and Chapman are the next big names. I would expect the trade market to be active as well because of this.
What kind of package would it take to get Soto from the Padres ??
Knowing that the Padres had to get a Loan to make payroll last September and will not be able to afford Juan Soto next year....what could the Mets offer in a deal. I think the Padres have got enough infielders as it stands now. They might want some cost-controlled pitching. The Mets have some interesting arms in the high Minor Leagues.
What might it take to get him to CitiField ??
Whatever it costs, it will be a lot
What kind of package would it take to get Soto from the Padres ??
Knowing that the Padres had to get a Loan to make payroll last September and will not be able to afford Juan Soto next year....what could the Mets offer in a deal. I think the Padres have got enough infielders as it stands now. They might want some cost-controlled pitching. The Mets have some interesting arms in the high Minor Leagues.
What might it take to get him to CitiField ??
I had proposed Parada and Acuna. I think that's fair. I'd rather stay away from trading Vasil/Tidwell/Scott, but if say Parada/Clifford/and another pitcher got it done, I'd do that.
Really would want to keep Jett and Gilbert on the minor league end.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
Scott got hurt and we thought it was bad but he ended up coming back to pitch.
Whatever it costs, it will be a lot
What antics?
Or another team trades for him and signs him to an extension. I couldn't disagree more. Soto is a game changer, and one of the best hitters in baseball. Just turned 25 and has a lifetime .946 OPS. He has a game that should age well IMO. I'd trade for him and sign him to a 12 year extension in a second.
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who was the minor league pitcher at the end of last year who got injured at the end, and what was his injury? I am drawing a blank, and googling injured Mets pitchers will lead to 50,000 results.
Thanks in advance.
Scott got hurt and we thought it was bad but he ended up coming back to pitch.
Thanks. Thought it was Scott, but I had thought it was more serious.
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All right all you GM's out there --
What kind of package would it take to get Soto from the Padres ??
Knowing that the Padres had to get a Loan to make payroll last September and will not be able to afford Juan Soto next year....what could the Mets offer in a deal. I think the Padres have got enough infielders as it stands now. They might want some cost-controlled pitching. The Mets have some interesting arms in the high Minor Leagues.
What might it take to get him to CitiField ??
I had proposed Parada and Acuna. I think that's fair. I'd rather stay away from trading Vasil/Tidwell/Scott, but if say Parada/Clifford/and another pitcher got it done, I'd do that.
Really would want to keep Jett and Gilbert on the minor league end.
I would do that deal....Parada keeps lowering his value as a Catcher. He may have to find a new position. I might even add one of the mentioned Pitchers to make it happen.
Jett is a Keeper, maybe as a CF in the Bigs. The 'Verlander Outfielders' are worth keeping too.
CF Nimmo
RF Soto
SS Lindor
1B Alonso
C Alvarez
DH Vientos
2B McNeil
3B Mauricio/Baty
LF Stewart
Switch up 5-9 depending on who is hot.
In 2 years, McNeil to bench and Stewart gone. Jett and Gilbert in.
LF Nimmo
RF Soto
SS Lindor
1B Alonso
C Alvarez
DH Vientos
3B Mauricio/Baty
CF Gilbert
2B Jett
Not bad at all.
(Bummer, I had heard he was potentially up for the GM job, beyond highly thought of)
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via trade when you can get him for free next offseason for cash only.
Or another team trades for him and signs him to an extension. I couldn't disagree more. Soto is a game changer, and one of the best hitters in baseball. Just turned 25 and has a lifetime .946 OPS. He has a game that should age well IMO. I'd trade for him and sign him to a 12 year extension in a second.
He's hitting free agency no matter who trades for him. Mets can just sign him for free in one year. I'm not trading three top prospects and continuing to build a poorly constructed roster with massive bloat of salary for a few players and nothing else.
Sorry.
My assumption from day one is he's less likely to be a Met, than likely. But you gotta take your best shot and try to come to "terms"
Then substitute players of equivalent rankings. Acuna/Clifford/lesser pitcher besides top 3-4; Acuna/one of the SP/Ramirez or similar other prospect. Whatever.
Mets RHP prospect Dominic Hamel finished the year strong!
Final 9 starts:
48 IP/1.88 ERA/.189 BA/61 K(32.4%)/17 BB(9%)
FB: 93-97 w/20 inches of IVB
Mixes a SL and Cutter with a distinct curve.
Could debut in 2024.
Me-(Hamel still probably 60/40 ends up in the BP but if he can throw strikes he has #4 SP potential)
For one of the top prospects, a guy like Baty/Vientos/Mauricio could be in the discussion, though I'd balk at giving up both Acuna and Mauricio for a player on the last year of his contract.
Sonny I assume? Jon Gray isn't a FA
For one of the top prospects, a guy like Baty/Vientos/Mauricio could be in the discussion, though I'd balk at giving up both Acuna and Mauricio for a player on the last year of his contract.
Jett is the Mets best prospect. Writers just haven't realized yet it like us here.
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including Acuna (who is the Mets top ranked prospect and similar skill set/position with Jett), and a 3rd flyer.
For one of the top prospects, a guy like Baty/Vientos/Mauricio could be in the discussion, though I'd balk at giving up both Acuna and Mauricio for a player on the last year of his contract.
Jett is the Mets best prospect. Writers just haven't realized yet it like us here.
I agree, and we all know Dan does.
I could easily see him being a very valuable corner OF. Hitting .240 or whatever, but with 30+ HRs. Or I could easily see him busting out. You never know with prospects, but with him I just have no idea.
I missed Hendriks had actual TJ, thought it was arthroscopic.
Brutal is being kind. Wife & I just got back from seeing 4 games of the Desert Dogs. I have no idea how Parada was drafted #1. Sure, he had excellent Division 1 stats, but I was flabbergasted at how bad he was.
Guys stealing bases left & right. Parada's many throwing errors. Scouts had him as a 40 arm...that might be generous also.
Other catching skills looked OK, but his bat was under .200 and very soft, weak contact. In the 3 games we saw, a lot swings & misses, K's, and weak contact. Tired? long season? nursing an injury?
T. McLoughlin looked good...JT Schwartz was hitter of the week while we were there, but then tailed off.
nimmo - lindor - soto - alonso 1-4 is worth it.
mcneil - alvarez - baty 5-7 is solid with upside.
8-9 mauricio or vientos will still be around. maybe you sign a canha type to compliment stewart.
it's not exactly similar, but once upon a time stearns rightly saw yelich as a uniquely worth it bat to be aggressive for. soto is maybe the closest position player since.
the only counterargument is why not just sign ohtani "free"? that makes it a lot easier to trade assets for burnes if nec.
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All right all you GM's out there --
What kind of package would it take to get Soto from the Padres ??
Knowing that the Padres had to get a Loan to make payroll last September and will not be able to afford Juan Soto next year....what could the Mets offer in a deal. I think the Padres have got enough infielders as it stands now. They might want some cost-controlled pitching. The Mets have some interesting arms in the high Minor Leagues.
What might it take to get him to CitiField ??
I had proposed Parada and Acuna. I think that's fair. I'd rather stay away from trading Vasil/Tidwell/Scott, but if say Parada/Clifford/and another pitcher got it done, I'd do that.
Really would want to keep Jett and Gilbert on the minor league end.
I would do that deal....Parada keeps lowering his value as a Catcher. He may have to find a new position. I might even add one of the mentioned Pitchers to make it happen.
Jett is a Keeper, maybe as a CF in the Bigs. The 'Verlander Outfielders' are worth keeping too.
No to Soto. Doesn’t fit
We try to go every year as we live in Las Vegas, so just a 4 1/2 hour drive. We went the year Alonso hit 53 in his rookie season specifically to see if the scouts were right/wrong re: his defense being OK. Within two games, I turned to my wife and said loudly (we sit in or close to the scouts), Pete is MLB ready! A couple of scouts turned and nodded yes.
I'm an ex shortstop and my wife's first husband was a shortstop in the minor league SF Giants org, so we know a bit about infield play.
for a reminder of those who think soto is some kind of bad fit.
vientos - entering his age 24
mauricio - entering his age 23
parada - entering his age 22
soto - turned 25 last week
unless shohei ohtani has communicated that he wants to be a met, a reasonable trade for soto is a no brainer.
For one of the top prospects, a guy like Baty/Vientos/Mauricio could be in the discussion, though I'd balk at giving up both Acuna and Mauricio for a player on the last year of his contract.
I'm an admitted prospect hugger but there's no way I'm trading Acuna. He's close to the majors, developing power, great speed, and those bloodlines. I simply wouldn't trade him, I think he's a key part of the Mets' future. This team needs speed and we are seeing a real speed movement in baseball.
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Cuban RHP Yariel Rodriguez (26) was declared free agent by MLB, per sources.
He is eligible to sign with an MLB team starting today.
for a reminder of those who think soto is some kind of bad fit.
vientos - entering his age 24
mauricio - entering his age 23
parada - entering his age 22
soto - turned 25 last week
unless shohei ohtani has communicated that he wants to be a met, a reasonable trade for soto is a no brainer.
when I say bad fit, i dont mean it as a performance/age fit.
I mean it as a state of franchise fit.
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including Acuna (who is the Mets top ranked prospect and similar skill set/position with Jett), and a 3rd flyer.
For one of the top prospects, a guy like Baty/Vientos/Mauricio could be in the discussion, though I'd balk at giving up both Acuna and Mauricio for a player on the last year of his contract.
I'm an admitted prospect hugger but there's no way I'm trading Acuna. He's close to the majors, developing power, great speed, and those bloodlines. I simply wouldn't trade him, I think he's a key part of the Mets' future. This team needs speed and we are seeing a real speed movement in baseball.
I like Acuna a lot as well. Soto is one of the few I trade him for. Still have Jett, Mauricio. If they don’t trade him great, I agree Acuna and Jett and Mauricio would provide a ton of excitement.
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Cuban RHP Yariel Rodriguez (26) was declared free agent by MLB, per sources.
He is eligible to sign with an MLB team starting today.
I just read that Kevin Parada and JT Schwartz were selected to the Arizona Fall League All Star game to be played this Sunday at 8:00 EST. The game will be televised on MLB.com.
Rory -- I wish you'd expand on your 'bad fit' assessment of Soto. His OPS is always over 900, and he's only 25 years old.
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vientos instead of mauricio is almost exactly even bc vientos' value is lower than mauricio's.
for a reminder of those who think soto is some kind of bad fit.
vientos - entering his age 24
mauricio - entering his age 23
parada - entering his age 22
soto - turned 25 last week
unless shohei ohtani has communicated that he wants to be a met, a reasonable trade for soto is a no brainer.
when I say bad fit, i dont mean it as a performance/age fit.
I mean it as a state of franchise fit.
how's he a bad state of the franchise fit?
are the mets moving on from lindor, senga, nimmo, mcneil, diaz? or are they trying to build up that core?
soto is one of the top players in the sport and 25 years old. the only franchises he's a bad fit for are the ones who cant afford him.
think i said this in a diff post than the one you are responding to but the only way you dont go for soto is if ohtani has at that point communicated he wants to come to the mets. i agree with you, 0 guarantee at this point that's the mets so you have to pursue soto unless that somehow changes.
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He is eligible to sign with an MLB team starting today.
Two sources I've spoken to both like him as a potential bullpen piece but the buzz is will beyond the facts league wide.
Rory -- I wish you'd expand on your 'bad fit' assessment of Soto. His OPS is always over 900, and he's only 25 years old.
1B and looked good, comfortable there.
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A bat like Soto would be a big upgrade but we wont get there until we have 2-3 healthy front line starters.
So if Yamamoto is a Met few months from now, we can revisit this.
9 IP, 9 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 14 K, 138 pitches unreal
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The guy is 25 and will be here for his prime years if they sign him.
9 IP, 9 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 14 K, 138 pitches unreal
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Boca -- Where has JT Schwartz been playing in the Field. I know he's got first baseman's glove and some outfield burn.
Rory -- I wish you'd expand on your 'bad fit' assessment of Soto. His OPS is always over 900, and he's only 25 years old.
1B and looked good, comfortable there.
The problem is he doesn’t look like he has the pop you want from a 1B
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The guy is 25 and will be here for his prime years if they sign him.
9 IP, 9 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 14 K, 138 pitches unreal
A bat like Soto would be a big upgrade but we wont get there until we have 2-3 healthy front line starters.
So if Yamamoto is a Met few months from now, we can revisit this.
I don't see how fans can see the results of the Texas Ranges with Nathan Eovaldi and Jordan Mongtomery as their "aces" and feel like the Mets can't compete in 2024.
Scherzer, the guy they expected to be the ace, shit the bed.
deGrom didn't make it out of April.
The Mets can compete in 2023 with quality starters, just need them to be "good enough" but need a lights out bullpen.
I'm starting to feel like sure if you have the cash shell out the money for an ace pitcher, but you don't need them to win championships.
I mean as Mets fans we watched a painful world series with a rotation filled with aces lose to the Royals less than a decade ago.
Also per Clegg (Yamamoto)
138 Pitches
FB: 93-96 mph/low release/high IVB
SPL: 88-91 low spin/12+ in of fade
SL: 83-86 12+ inches of sweep
CB: 75-78 12-6 shape
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I dont think its wise to go absorb/tie the franchise to big dollars to the lineup until we get a solid pipeline of starting pitching in place.
A bat like Soto would be a big upgrade but we wont get there until we have 2-3 healthy front line starters.
So if Yamamoto is a Met few months from now, we can revisit this.
I don't see how fans can see the results of the Texas Ranges with Nathan Eovaldi and Jordan Mongtomery as their "aces" and feel like the Mets can't compete in 2024.
Scherzer, the guy they expected to be the ace, shit the bed.
deGrom didn't make it out of April.
The Mets can compete in 2023 with quality starters, just need them to be "good enough" but need a lights out bullpen.
I'm starting to feel like sure if you have the cash shell out the money for an ace pitcher, but you don't need them to win championships.
I mean as Mets fans we watched a painful world series with a rotation filled with aces lose to the Royals less than a decade ago.
i think this is 100% the correct strategy. lights out bullpen, quality lineup that plays defense, starters good enough to just get 5-6 innings of 3 runs or less. basically a rotation of bassitts/quintanas.
i know wins are somewhat of a vanity stat unrelated to the pitcher, but the fact that bartolo had more wins as a met in 3 years than harvey in 6 here has always stuck with me. when he was signed it was as a replacement for harvey's rehab season and he ended up outproducing him and throwing 200 innings every year.
a) soto (40m), montgomery (25m), lugo (10m), robertson or other "2nd closer" (10m), another reliever like suter ($5m)
b) yamamoto (30m), montgomery (25m), lugo (10m), robertson or other "2nd closer" (10m), canha (10m), another reliever like suter ($5m)
to me it's A no question. if you can get ohtani instead of soto, that's even better. though i also wont complain about B if that's where things go.
52.1 innings 31 walks
At 39, it's fair to wonder if he can handle a full season of pitching when it's happened back to back years (this season obviously worse).
they need 2 late game adds, and lugo is a perfect 5th sp/flex guy who shifts to pen in postseaon or if someone like vasil is ready to come up.
if eppler was still here robertson would have seemed very likely, now not as sure who stearns will target. suter seems like 1 obvious choice.
52.1 innings 31 walks
At 39, it's fair to wonder if he can handle a full season of pitching when it's happened back to back years (this season obviously worse).
i think part of his falloff was overuse. remember the canha homer was b2b games and at like 30 pitches. then we had to use the crap out of him without diaz. not many other options out there, id be willing to take a chance on him but you have to build enough depth to not over use him. ideally very little b2b or more than 1 inning.
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I would really like to see them add a powerhouse RF. This lineup cooked when Marte was on his game, but he is damaged goods now. Buy him out and look elsewhere. Maybe in Juan Soto's direction.
Add quality Starting Pitchers in their Prime.
No to Stroman. And Hell No to Vogey. This roster needs a refresh.
I would love to see them turn Mauricio into a RF. Perhaps that is where they feel Gilbert will slot into long term.
But one thing that makes sense to me is that you have Acuna, Mauricio, and Jett, and all are middle infielders with SS locked down by Lindor. The obvious solution is you have to start making one or two of these guys outfielders in the near term. Squirrell can play left. I want to see Acuna in the majors by the end of May, and he needs to play MI or CF, CF would be my preference, but then you have to move Nimmo, and that means LF bc he doesn't have a RF arm.
Then Jeff moves to DH? Or permanent 2B? If the latter...Mauricio needs to be in RF or you should just trade someone. Do you really make Jeff the primary DH in this scenario?
He's a fraking shortstop and Vientos / Baty are 3rd baseman.
The obvious thing to do is trade 2 of them since we already have Lindor.
You have a guy who can play like 3 different positions well and you're going to give that up to play him at DH so you can play some guy with no plate discipline and will likely not amount to a hill of beans.
suter
robertson
hendriks
will smith
reynaldo lopez
hicks
agree re launching drew smith to the sun.
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suter
robertson
hendriks
will smith
reynaldo lopez
hicks
agree re launching drew smith to the sun. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/relief-pitcher/ - ( New Window )
Hendriks would be a 2025 option. Will miss the entire 2024 season.
Mets do have some superfluous bats without hard positions they can move for a pitcher or a real steady corner outfielder. While I like versatility and depth, I think some teams also went gung ho on just moving players around the field and are now scaling that back a bit.
Building pitching and positional depth is really key. Mets have for most part had pig slop in depth areas last 3-4 years regardless of high payroll.
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Puk for Bleday, a former 1st rounder who didn't develop at all.
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martinez/lugo as flex guys
suter
robertson
hendriks
will smith
reynaldo lopez
hicks
agree re launching drew smith to the sun. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/relief-pitcher/ - ( New Window )
Hendriks would be a 2025 option. Will miss the entire 2024 season.
is that confirmed? surgery was right around deadline and relievers usually come back quicker than sp.
"“The lower end of that, if I push it, 13 months will be around Sept. 2,” Hendriks said. “My goal is to be able to pitch next year and then be able to have a relatively normal offseason. I want to be able to get back out there and pitch and go back into my normal routine, a little bit more of just the way I do my offseason throwing programs and stuff like that. It’s going to be an important facet for me."
So yeah, he's not a 2024 option
looks like 2024 is still in play - from yesterday:
“It’s just who I am. I don’t necessarily want to get into a position mentally where I’m OK with delaying things. It’s going to be a constant push to try and, ‘Oh, this is my goal? I want to beat that goal,’” Hendriks said. “Also doing it in a smart way.
“We’ll see as far as what everything else goes. Just a matter of going through the steps, the game plan from the surgeon. Sent Dr. [Keith] Meister [Hendriks’ Tommy John surgeon] a text, and I’ve already tried to trim some fat off the throwing program a little bit, but we’ll see how that goes.”
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The lower end of that, if I push it, 13 months will be around Sept. 2,” Hendriks said. “My goal is to be able to pitch next year and then be able to have a relatively normal offseason. I want to be able to get back out there and pitch and go back into my normal routine, a little bit more of just the way I do my offseason throwing programs and stuff like that. It’s going to be an important facet for me.
“Depending on what happens contract-wise, who knows if I’m going to need that little showcase at the end of the season to be able to get a job. We’ll take that as it comes. It’s a wide range with one side being back in August and one side not being back at all.”
52.1 innings 31 walks
At 39, it's fair to wonder if he can handle a full season of pitching when it's happened back to back years (this season obviously worse).
I'd also pass on Robertson, but make a quality set-up man s top priority.
"“The lower end of that, if I push it, 13 months will be around Sept. 2,” Hendriks said. “My goal is to be able to pitch next year and then be able to have a relatively normal offseason. I want to be able to get back out there and pitch and go back into my normal routine, a little bit more of just the way I do my offseason throwing programs and stuff like that. It’s going to be an important facet for me."
So yeah, he's not a 2024 option
id take the risk. it will be cheap because the odds are he is nowhere near "liam hendriks" but if he does somehow return in time to get to the postseason roster you may be getting a back end guy for the games that matter in october. not too different from risks like holland and betances in years past where you are hoping to get lucky, except with cohen the $ is there so if it doesnt work out it's no big deal.
The lower end of that, if I push it, 13 months will be around Sept. 2,” Hendriks said. “My goal is to be able to pitch next year and then be able to have a relatively normal offseason. I want to be able to get back out there and pitch and go back into my normal routine, a little bit more of just the way I do my offseason throwing programs and stuff like that. It’s going to be an important facet for me.
“Depending on what happens contract-wise, who knows if I’m going to need that little showcase at the end of the season to be able to get a job. We’ll take that as it comes. It’s a wide range with one side being back in August and one side not being back at all.”
this is the exact point - you are gambling on an unpredictable range hoping he hits the side in august/sept so he can be of value in oct. there may not be any other teams willing to risk 2-3m on that.
Obviously his career has been a roller coaster and he has struggled mightily at times, but he's the kind of gamble I think a team like the Mets could take. Not relying on him for a specific role, but if he gets "right" can be a wild card in the pen.
Forgot Barlow was traded to SD at the deadline
Correction, it's *believed* this would be the final class that wouldn't be impacted but that's unclear.
100% but if it works out it saves you trading a vargas type prospect at the deadline for whoever next years robertson is. the injury makes the price somewhere way south of what even robertson will cost with an arguably higher upside.
i have wanted drew smith gone for most of the last 2 years but him being in the bp through july and then hopefully replaced by hendriks aug-oct is a fine use of a "slot".
they'd still need to sign a robertson + suter combo. get lugo as your 5th SP and you can hope that a postseason BP would be diaz closing with robertson, suter, hendriks, lugo, otto, raley setting up. even if only 3 of those 6 pitch well/stay healthy you have a 4 deep back end.
you can probably get lugo, robertson, suter, hendriks for somwhere between 25-30m in 2024. lugo probably the only guy who needs a multi-year deal. which leaves room for a big multi-year deal for at least 1 top rotation SP while keeping the payroll in the neighborhood of the 2022 level.
i think that would be my plan - along with being "opportunistic" for soto/ohtani if either is gettable. getting 1 of those guys is pretty much the only way i can see the payroll matching the 2023 level.
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Boca -- Where has JT Schwartz been playing in the Field. I know he's got first baseman's glove and some outfield burn.
Rory -- I wish you'd expand on your 'bad fit' assessment of Soto. His OPS is always over 900, and he's only 25 years old.
1B and looked good, comfortable there.
The problem is he doesn’t look like he has the pop you want from a 1B
Perhaps, JT said in an interview that he wants to be a gap to gap hitter vs. a pull guy. I actually saw him do this, hit to left late in the count. He had 2 doubles and 2 Hrs in the four games I was there.
He gave me a John Olerud vibe. Lots of doubles.
Amen! Everytime I think he has finally made it to the next step, he gives up another HR...everytime, every year!
meaning no compensation other than $$ needed to bring him in, right? Not a bad 2nd sp signing for this off season
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opts out. He's now a FA
meaning no compensation other than $$ needed to bring him in, right? Not a bad 2nd sp signing for this off season
Yup. No compensation other than obviously paying him
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Drew Smith was arguably the leader of the Tank Brigade. Hell NO to the Drew Smith Experience...
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opts out. He's now a FA
meaning no compensation other than $$ needed to bring him in, right? Not a bad 2nd sp signing for this off season
Yamamoto is my number 1 guy. After that it's a tie between E-Rod and Montgomery in terms of guys who won't cost anything but cash.
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Puk for Bleday, a former 1st rounder who didn't develop at all.
I love Tanner Scott. Great future top 5 closer. If we can make a trade you have to consider it.
Tyler Rogers SF & Jordan Hicks
So, if MIL pays him the most, he will stay.
Not exactly breaking news, lol. Sports reporting is absolutely awful these days.
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So, if MIL pays him the most, he will stay.
Not exactly breaking news, lol. Sports reporting is absolutely awful these days.
He would be making a decision between two/three teams offering the same. None of the teams would be 'paying him the most'
he'd definitely be my top target but im not sure he's the entire key. since 2021 nola is the 4th most productive SP in mlb, montgomery 17, gray 18, snell 19. ohtani 12th.
the 5 year age difference is highly attractive but im not too worried about a pitcher staying healthy through age 35 assuming all these guys get 4 or 5 year deals. i think the key is that they get 1 of yamamoto, montgomery, nola, snell, or trade for burnes bc any of them would form at least a competent top 2 with senga. getting any 2 of them would be even better though id imagine the 2nd sp will more likely be a lugo/martinez type in the range of quintanas contract.
Finished 2023 season strong after injury:
5w 1L 2.28era 11g 0.82WHIP
Does Yamamoto have a say in it or is it basically just highest bidder to pay the posting fee is the only one he can negotiate with?
Does Yamamoto have a say in it or is it basically just highest bidder to pay the posting fee is the only one he can negotiate with?
He 100% gets to choose his next team, his previous team gets a cut of his contract. That's the long and short of it. It's FA with the NPB essentially serving as his "agent" (not in the sense they will do the negotiating, in the sense they get a cut)
Finished 2023 season strong after injury:
5w 1L 2.28era 11g 0.82WHIP
Will miss all of 2024, shoulder surgery. Some buzz he may be non-tendered.
Devin Williams?
Devin Williams?
They may well consider moving Williams but the cost would likely be immense. He's team-controlled for the next 2 seasons and his projected 2024 salary is only about 6 million. He'd likely cost "top" prospects as they have no incentive to move him.
1/3 not 1/4 but you catch my drift
Assuming we kept some dialogue with Miami after Kim NG left.
Counsell has interviewed with the Mets and Cleveland Guardians, and could also return to Milwaukee. Cleveland is said to be a strong contender for his services, as well.
During the Mets’ interview process, Yankees bench coach Carlos Mendoza has also emerged as a very strong candidate. Mendoza has interviewed well this offseason in Cleveland and San Francisco. He is also interviewing this weekend with San Diego.
The only scenario that could seemingly delay the Mets’ process beyond this week is if both Counsell and Mendoza take jobs elsewhere.
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So, if MIL pays him the most, he will stay.
Not exactly breaking news, lol. Sports reporting is absolutely awful these days.
He would be making a decision between two/three teams offering the same. None of the teams would be 'paying him the most'
It doesn’t matter if “the most” is the same for 2 or three teams. If MIL matches “the most” then he isn’t leaving.
It’s a report that is stating the obvious.
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Yoshinobu Yamamoto's combined numbers over his last three seasons:
49-16 record, 550.2 IP, 580 SO, 1.44 ERA, 0.8862 WHIP
There were rumors last off-season they considered moving him for a “big bat”. The problem is obviously the Mets don’t have one to spare. Worth making the call though
Mendoza a finalist for the Padres job per Morosi
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Gary DiSarcina is among the Angels managerial candidates, source confirms @JonHeyman
report today.
The team could make a decision by the end of this week.
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for a small market team to pay any manager the equivalent of 5% (1/20th) of their active roster payroll (which at year's end was about 30 players) seems a little crazy, but i guess it sends a bad message to also let people who want to stay leave over money - but that's the destiny of any successful small market team.
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People involved in the process expect Craig Counsell will make a decision today on where to manage.
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I’ve sensed a Mets unwillingness to blow MIL’s offer to Craig Counsell completely out of the water. I think it’s entirely possible their offer ends up around $2 million more per year than MIL’s. Is that enough to drag him out of MIL? My guess is no. We’ll find out soon enough.
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Sources: Not a lot of concern exists about the possibility of the Mets losing out on both Craig Counsell and Carlos Mendoza. If the Mets were to miss out on Craig Counsell, they believe they shouldn’t have much trouble transitioning to a Mendoza hiring.
i don't know much about mendoza other than the last few weeks of reading but ill assume he's more experienced version of luis rojas. who didnt do so badly until controversy hit. i like that he has a strong defensive reputation.
seeing this as i finished this post, the way this is being handled makes me think it's a return to MIL. if he was leaving i think he'd handle the exit in a quieter manner.
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Craig Counsell has decided which team he will manage. Announcèment should come this afternoon. Mets and Brewers are certainly finalists.
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Late morning Monday, Carlos Mendoza remains in very strong position to be the next Mets manager . Official world on Counsell destination coming soon
Hope this post turns out to be wrong in the next 30 minutes or so or whenever it leaks where he ends up.
Hope this post turns out to be wrong in the next 30 minutes or so or whenever it leaks where he ends up.
i assume the same. this whole thing ended up getting a little silly. almost reminiscent of when the mets were negotiating with seattle for lou pinella. pick a team and let's move on to the fun of cohen winning us another offseason.
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Milwaukee Brewers GM Matt Arnold while waiting manager Craig Counsell’s decision: ‘Consistent with our policy regarding contract negotiations and out of respect for both Craig and the process, we are not going to comment on our discussions at this time.”
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Jesus Luzardo? My wet dream is for the Mets to get him. I was hoping they could trade Baty straight up for him last off-season. What say about him possibly being out there this off-season?
There were rumors last off-season they considered moving him for a “big bat”. The problem is obviously the Mets don’t have one to spare. Worth making the call though
Do you think the Marlins would do Luzardo for Baty, Acuna, & Peterson? Is that too much from the Mets' side.