I was asked to post this last night, didn't get a chance
1) Spring Training Schedule: The Mets are preparing for their upcoming spring training games, with matches scheduled against the Nationals on February 26 and the Astros on February 25.
2) Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Notable players such as Big Sexy, Wright and Reyes are among the new candidates on the Hall of Fame ballot.
3) MLB Awards Week: Recently, MLB Awards Week took place, with results and analysis highlighting key players and performances in the league. This includes the announcement of Acuna and Ohtani as unanimous MVPs.
4) Management and Coaching Updates: The Mets have been making significant changes in their management and coaching staff, including a new 3-year contract for their manager, Mendoza.
Current State of the Coaching Staff
The Mets are currently grappling with a bench coach vacancy, a critical role for any MLB team. This comes alongside role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes, who are now sharing hitting coach duties. These changes indicate a strategic reshuffle, aiming to bolster the team's coaching effectiveness.
New Additions and Hires
The introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting is a significant move. Their expertise could be pivotal in nurturing the next generation of Mets stars, ensuring a bright future for the team.
Willie Randolph's Consideration
The consideration of Willie Randolph for the bench coach position was intriguing. His connection with Carlos Mendoza and vast experience bring a wealth of knowledge, though questions about his age and ability to connect with younger players remain.
Randolph's Tenure as Mets Manager
Randolph's tenure from 2005 to 2008, including the 2006 NLCS appearance and the 2007 collapse, was a rollercoaster of emotions for fans. His firing and legacy are still topics of discussion among the Mets community.
Other Candidates in the Mix
Phil Nevin and other potential candidates are also in the mix. Each brings unique strengths and perspectives, making the decision a critical one for the Mets' future success.
David Stearns' Leadership and Approach
Under David Stearns' leadership, the Mets are exploring unconventional methods and a collaborative decision-making process in staffing. This innovative approach could be a game-changer for the team.
Collaborative Decision-Making
The Mets' collaborative approach to staffing, blending experience with fresh perspectives, could set the stage for a dynamic and successful coaching team.
As a Mets fan, these developments fill me with both excitement and anticipation. The decisions made in the coming days will shape the future of our beloved team. Here's to hoping for a season of triumphs and a future as bright as the stars in Queens!
Mets' Pitching Strategy in the Wake of Cardinals' Market Moves
As a Mets fan, I've seen our share of ups and downs. The recent developments in our pitching strategy, especially in light of the Cardinals setting the market, have me both intrigued and cautiously optimistic.
The Search for Starting Pitchers
The Mets, under the leadership of David Stearns, are on a quest to fortify their rotation. With Kodai Senga and José Quintana as the only certain starters, the need for additional firepower is clear. Last season's 75-87 record is a stark reminder that to compete with the likes of the Braves and Phillies, we need to up our game. The prospect of adding a high-caliber pitcher is exciting and could be a significant step towards contention.
The Cost of Landing Starting Pitchers
The Cardinals have set a new benchmark by signing Lance Lynn and Kyle Gibson for $10 million and $12 million, respectively. This move has implications for the Mets, who now face the reality of spending significantly to acquire top-tier pitchers. However, the question remains: is it wise to invest heavily in uncertain pitchers?
Comparing Pitchers and Mets' Strategic Moves
Joey Lucchesi and Tylor Megill could offer similar value to Lynn, but the Mets' eyes are on bigger prizes. Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Jordan Montgomery are high on our list, offering a blend of talent and potential without the hefty price tag associated with qualifying offer players like
Blake Snell and Sonny Gray.
The Mets must avoid overpaying for injury-prone pitchers, a lesson perhaps they’ve learned. Yet here comes Luis Severino...
Tyler Glasnow's Career and Potential Trade Partners
Speaking of an injury-prone pitcher… Tyler Glasnow, currently with the Tampa Bay Rays, is a hot topic in the trade rumor mill. His impressive career stats, including a 3.89 ERA and 678 strikeouts, make him an attractive target. However, his injury history, including a recent oblique injury, is a concern.
The Mets, known for their deep pockets, could be a perfect landing spot for Glasnow. The Rays and the Phillies are potential trade partners, but the complexity of trade negotiations means anything could happen.
Avoiding Risky Investments
The Mets should steer clear of unreliable options. Investing in pitchers who offer quality and reliability, especially if they command a lower salary than the likes of Lynn and Gibson, is a smarter strategy.
The Fifth Starter Conundrum
Lucchesi, while not the most glamorous option, could be a reasonable gamble as a fifth starter. The ideal scenario? Signing Yamamoto and trading for a young, controllable arm, aligning with the Cardinals' approach but tailored to our needs.
The Disappointing 2023 Season and Rebuilding
After a disappointing 2023 season, where we saw the departure of key players like Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer, signing a player of Yamamoto's caliber is not just desirable but necessary. His ability to electrify the mound could be the catalyst for a much-needed turnaround.
The focus should be on securing Yamamoto and a young arm through trade, emphasizing smart financial decisions. His familiarity with Kodai Senga could be a significant advantage, potentially creating a formidable rotation duo.
The Pursuit of Yamamoto and Other Options
The Mets' aggressiveness in pursuing Yamamoto will be telling. If we fail to secure him, alternatives like Blake Snell (doubtful since he received a qualifying offer) and Jordan Montgomery are still on the table. However, the Mets' approach to free agency this season will be critical in shaping our future.
Mets Sign Bullpen Arm to Bolster Depth
In a strategic move, the Mets signed Cole Sulser to a minor league contract. Sulser, with a mixed performance in MLB, could become a valuable piece in the Mets' bullpen. This low-risk move shows the Mets' intent to address their bullpen issues, which was a key reason for their struggles last season.
Ronny Mauricio's Performance Review
Minor and Major League Breakdown
In the minors, Mauricio's stats were impressive: a .292 batting average, 23 homers, and 24 stolen bases over 116 games. But when he stepped up to the majors, we saw a dip - a .248 average with 2 home runs in 26 games. Despite this, his potential shines through.
Evaluating Mauricio's Future
Mauricio's journey has been a rollercoaster. Starting strong in winter ball, he faced a setback being sent down to AAA Syracuse due to Lindor's presence. However, his performance there - especially those highlight-worthy homers - was nothing short of impressive. His delayed promotion might have been a misstep by the Mets, but once he got his shot in September, boy, did he show flashes of brilliance!
Coleman Crow's Breakout Potential
Now, let's talk about Coleman Crow. This kid has skills that could make him a star, but there's a risk we might lose him in the Rule 5 draft. Keeping an eye on his development is crucial for the Mets' future strategy.
Coleman Crow, a promising Mets prospect, is at risk of being plucked from the organization due to the Rule 5 draft. His impressive performance in Double-A, including a 1.88 ERA and 31 strikeouts, makes him a valuable asset. The Mets face the challenge of balancing their roster while protecting their prospects.
LFGM
As a die-hard Mets fan and someone who's lived through the rollercoaster of emotions that comes with following this team, the latest developments in our pitching lineup have me on the edge of my seat.
From last Mets thread:
- The New York Mets are introduced Carlos Mendoza as their new manager.
- Deadline to add players to the 40-man roster.
- Some fans have expressed their opinions about potential coaching staff changes and candidates.
- Speculation about who the Mets might add to their 40-man roster.
- The Yankees are mentioned in trade discussions for players like Nick Senzel and Soto.
- The agent representing Yamamoto and Senga, Joel Wolfe, is also involved with Stanton and Diaz.
Calling on all the BBI Met threads old posters, for a good Royal Rumble of days past...
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The Rangers won a WS not because they signed JDG or traded for Scherzer, but because they built SP depth that they needed when both those guys got hurt. And more importantly because they aggressively signed Corey Seager (despite the QO) who had a postseason for the ages. 12 rbis and 18 runs scored in 17 games while walking more than K'ing.
the chance to get MVP-level middle order hitters with 5-10 years of prime seasons doesn't come around often. The dodgers got betts and won a WS. Mets got Lindor and he's been key to them spending so much time in first place the prior 2 years. Rangers got Seager. Philly got Harper/JTR/Trea. Atlanta got Olsen. Yelich has similarly helped carry the Brewers over the last half decade.
Soto is younger and an arguably better offensive player than all of them because of the walk/k profile. The only argument against pursuing him aggressively is if you can get Ohtani.
Go for Soto aggressively then sign the best quality pitching depth you can find throughout the entire staff. If yamamoto wants in too great but if it's montgomery/imanaga/lugo/flaherty types that's ok too.
It might not matter, and the Mets might shy away from QO guys period. But IMO, the Mets could be more likely to sign a QO guy if their picks are say #6 and 17th in the second round vs. say 17th overall and 7th in the second round. The smaller discrepencancies in slot values in the latter scenario make it less likely they will forfeit 2nd round slot value.
With Edwin Diaz returning, we get back a top closer we didn't have last year as well as another year of experience for our younger guys.
Marte, Nimmo & Soto in the OF would be huge to take the pressure off of Lindor and Alonso to be the sole RBI producers.
I am anxiously on the edge of my seat and hope results exceed expectation!
Go Mets!
It might not matter, and the Mets might shy away from QO guys period. But IMO, the Mets could be more likely to sign a QO guy if their picks are say #6 and 17th in the second round vs. say 17th overall and 7th in the second round. The smaller discrepencancies in slot values in the latter scenario make it less likely they will forfeit 2nd round slot value.
I hear what you are saying, but end of day the penalty is comparable either way.
forfeited 2nd round slot value will be between 1.5-2m.
forfeited 5th highest pick is likely to be less than $500k.
+$1m IFA money.
last year sproat got about 1.5m and they paid 3 different IFAs $1m+. and remember they get to choose the players they don't draft/don't pay, so factoring in the ability to strategize a class around the lost pool $, for the right free agents the QO penalty is just not a big deal.
further, if it makes it easier to get good terms with a free agent you want because there's a less competitive market with other teams unwilling to pay QO free agents (like say Bassitt last year), there's actually some value recouped on a fairer contract with the FA.
Snell is probably the only QO free agent they'd be considering other than Ohtani, and if they think either is worth the $ they will cost the penalty is beyond insignificant.
Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
The Seattle Mariners acquire catcher Seby Zavala from the Arizona Diamondbacks
Gray is 34 years old
Chapman is a solid enough player but they have ?? in Baty and Mauricio plus "near term" considerations in Acuna and Jett Williams + Jeff McNeil. Chapman is 31 in April and the Mets reportedly were not one of the reported teams who spoke to Chapman at the GM meetings
Hader has flat out said he wants to close (and he's looking for more money than Edwin Diaz)
I guess you could make the argument for Bellinger but I really don't see that happening.
Might not make a difference in whether or not they go after a Snell, but who knows.
Might not make a difference in whether or not they go after a Snell, but who knows.
right - yamamoto's age/upside makes him a very compelling choice over snell, the qo only adds to that.
if they miss on yamamoto though, montgomery vs. snell is probably next decision. if that's a close call maybe QO factors into that but i think we'd all probably agree that they need to come away with 1 of those 3 SP.
Unlikely to be “soon”. Martino reported he won’t even be meeting with teams until early December.
I figured Dan, I am holding out hope that Stearns along with Cohen's checkbook can sell Yamamoto on the vision to bring a World Series to the Mets.
I thought I was hearing Yoshinobu Yamamoto was a huge Yankees fan and Tanaka's career was a factor.
i think that sort of needs to be the plan with yamamoto, snell, montgomery.
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The #Dbacks have reportedly acquired IF Eugenio Suarez ($8.2M median trade value) from the #Mariners in exchange for RHP Carlos Vargas ($1.4M) and C Seby Zavala ($0.5M).
The deal is accepted by our model as a major overpay by SEA.
Baseball Trade Values
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It's hard to see this as anything other than a salary dump by Seattle. Even in a down year, Suarez was a 3-win player in 2023 by fWAR.
Zavala was DFA'd by the White Sox in September and available to any team for free. Vargas is a hard-throwing reliever with no MLB track record.
Nola's deal came in under a lot of projections even if it were slightly more lucrative and he took a home team discount, the Cardinals SP moves were reasonable, Lopez took reasonable $.
LAD, NYY, NYM, TEX are all likely to spend a lot ($50-100m) and clearly after some very big fish, but once Ohtani and Yamamoto come off the board, and perhaps Soto too, I guess we'll see how aggressive everyone remains.
135m payroll last year (spotrac), right now around 111m after Suarez.
no real big hitters on the market though maybe having just dealt their 3b, Chapman qualifies?
they already have Ray/Castillo on books so I'd doubt they add another $20m+ SP but maybe Hader to compliment Munoz?
1. He’s a lefty
2. Him and Diaz in 8th and 9th to set up and close either way would be dynamic
3. If one gets injured the other is there to close
Bullpen and an Ace is my priority
Offense. Let Mauricio Acuna Alvarez and Baty Vientos all play and develop
Said he has no coast preference either
I'm extremely grateful for the relationships I built and time I spent with the Phillies.
Can't wait for this next chapter! #LGM
As far as the immediate interest from around a dozen teams, Wolfe called it a "perfect storm" of supply and demand.
"It's what we call a perfect storm, where you have one of the finest young pitchers in the world who also is just 25 years old," he said, via Kyodo News. "It's generational. Something like this only happens once every 10 or 15 years."
:)
To be clear this was when Bauer was a FA not now
Yet there are Mets fans that still want to sign this douche??
Just for thoughts.
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Man, it’s good to see you show up around here Z
That Bat signal worked!!!
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Apparently claimed he was going to sign with NYM over LAD until “the Mets started leaking things to the press” Zack Scott says he doesn’t believe that’s the case
Yet there are Mets fans that still want to sign this douche??
Yeah, if he can help win a WS I would in a second.
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from spotrac:
last year yankees spent $280m. (first threshold was $233m, Yankees avoid top tier "cohen tax" which started at 293m)
in 2022 they spent $253m. (threshold was $230m)
in 2021 they spent $209m. (threshold was $210m)
this year the threshold goes to $237m and the top tier is +$60m (297m).
right now spotrac projects the Yankees at $235.7m, so unless they are willing to go into the top tier, it would seem likely their budget is around $60m.
spotrac has mets at almost the same starting point ($236.9m), the difference being that Cohen was willing to spend about $50m above the top tier last year.
with the number of 40 man spots stearns cleared out, this should be a crazy offseason.
@WillSammon
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The Mets are close to hiring John Gibbons as their bench coach league sources tell me and
@Ken_Rosenthal
. Gibbons, the former Blue Jays manager, brings a lot of experience to the dugout next to Carlos Mendoza.
On April 5, 2016, after a 3–2 loss to the Tampa Bay Rays ended on a questionable slide by José Bautista which was ruled as a double play, Gibbons stated, "Maybe we'll come out and wear dresses tomorrow. Maybe that's what everybody's looking for." A day later, after he received criticism for his initial comment, he said that "the world needs to lighten up a little bit".[26] On May 17, Gibbons was suspended three games by Major League Baseball for his role in a benches-clearing incident between the Blue Jays and Texas Rangers on May 15 involving Rangers infielder Rougned Odor and Blue Jays outfielder José Bautista.[27] On September 11, Gibbons was ejected for the eighth time in the 2016 season, tying the team's single-season record set by Bobby Cox; he led the major leagues in 2016.[28][29] In 2016, he was successful on a lower percentage of replay challenges than any other MLB manager with 10 or more challenges, at 38.8%.[28] The Blue Jays made the playoffs for the second consecutive season, and defeated Baltimore in the Wild Card Game to advance. In the Division Series, the Blue Jays swept the Texas Rangers in three games. Toronto was eliminated by the Cleveland Indians in the Championship Series, four games to one.[30]
On April 1, 2017, Gibbons signed a two-year extension with the Blue Jays, that also included an option for the 2020 season.[31] In 2017, he was again successful on a lower percentage of replay challenges than any other MLB manager with 10 or more challenges, at 26.7%.[32]
On September 26, 2018, it was confirmed by the Blue Jays that Gibbons would not return for the 2019 season.[33] Toronto mayor John Tory proclaimed the 26th as "John Gibbons Day" in Toronto, noting Gibbons' "tremendous contributions to the Toronto Blue Jays franchise."[34] His final game was a 9–4 loss to the Tampa Bay Rays.[35] The Blue Jays finished the 2018 season with a 73–89 record.[35] In 2018 he was ejected seven times, more than any other manager in the major leagues.[36] During his second stint as Blue Jays manager, he finished with a record of 488 wins and 484 losses.[12] Overall, Gibbons has a 793–789 record from both stints as Blue Jays manager.[35]
seems like his podcast was pretty popular.
pretty interesting, first hire i can recall of a former podcaster, conducting interviews. now he'll be a subject again.
That’s my guess. Left his job with the Braves to
Do the podcast, probably saw guys like Buck, Ron Washington, Bochy back in the game and decided to give it a go
@martinonyc
Mike Sarbaugh will be the Mets 3B coach, per sources.
@martinonyc
Mike Sarbaugh will be the Mets 3B coach, per sources.
Mike Sarbaugh is a good hire. Very long time member of the Indians/Guardians organization. Very well regarded. Was a mild surprise when it was announced he was leaving the organization. Spent 2015-2020 coached Francisco Lindor
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Howie Rose
@HowieRose
Hearing there might be Ohtani news today.
Howie Rose
@HowieRose
Hearing there might be Ohtani news today.
I’m calling BS. He stopped tweeting after that tweet and nobody else aka other writers have backed this up or even mentioned it. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.
Always is the case around Thanksgiving. For obvious reasons.
There will be plenty of discussions starting this week.
But I do agree with you. The slow signings up until spring training is terrible for fans and the sport. It’s way better for fans to get attached to the new signing early, get excited, get a jersey for the holidays.
Signing right before ST kinda sucks.
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Baseball has really made their off-season boring with enjoying dragging. At least it feels that way to me. Haven't even heard any news this week.
Always is the case around Thanksgiving. For obvious reasons.
There will be plenty of discussions starting this week.
But I do agree with you. The slow signings up until spring training is terrible for fans and the sport. It’s way better for fans to get attached to the new signing early, get excited, get a jersey for the holidays.
Signing right before ST kinda sucks.
Yes this week is slower as you mention but up until now we've had nothing. Nola is the only top 30 FA to sign and only because he signed back with Philly so negotiations were further along. 1 somewhat big trade with Suarez.
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3 for 75 (25 per)
If I recall correctly, didn't any Gray signing involve a loss of draft pick ??
My Braves buddy, just this past Saturday, was crowing about the Bravos clearing space to sign Gray.
seems like a strong deal for Cards and another sign that maybe the pitching contracts won't be quite as high as predicted other than yamamoto.
snell seems like the guy who may be there for the taking because id imagine his price tag will be high, the QO will turn off some teams, and the other motivated buyers will probably fill needs with montgomery, yamamoto, crease, etc.
if they miss on yamamoto, i could see snell ending up with a deal approximating the nola deal.
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3 for 75 (25 per)
If I recall correctly, didn't any Gray signing involve a loss of draft pick ??
My Braves buddy, just this past Saturday, was crowing about the Bravos clearing space to sign Gray.
Yup. Cardinals lose their 2nd pick and 500 K in IFA money (different bracket than the Mets)
@jonmorosi
RHP Robert Stephenson has been one of the most popular free-agent relievers this offseason, sources say.
Stephenson, who had a 0.678 WHIP over 42 appearances with the Rays this year, is drawing interest from the Dodgers, Cubs, and Angels, among other teams.
@jonmorosi
RHP Robert Stephenson has been one of the most popular free-agent relievers this offseason, sources say.
Stephenson, who had a 0.678 WHIP over 42 appearances with the Rays this year, is drawing interest from the Dodgers, Cubs, and Angels, among other teams.
FG's projected deal for Stephenson seems absurdly low (2x5), I'd be blown away if a team gets him for anywhere near that low.
@AaronGleeman
Twins traded 2021 first-round pick Chase Petty (#26 overall) for Sonny Gray.
They got two very good seasons from Gray, who threw a total of 304 innings with a 2.90 ERA.
Now they'll get a 2024 first-round pick (around #33 overall) as compensation for losing Gray in free agency.
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A rival talent evaluator says it's unclear whether the Brewers will trade Corbin Burnes and/or SS Willy Adames. If the Brewers keep Burnes into the 2024 season and try to compete, his trade value probably isn't going to be much lower in July than it is right now.
@BNightengale
Atlanta has joined the Dodgers and several others who are engaged in trade talks with the Chicago White Sox for ace Dylan Cease.
@Buster_ESPN
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A rival talent evaluator says it's unclear whether the Brewers will trade Corbin Burnes and/or SS Willy Adames. If the Brewers keep Burnes into the 2024 season and try to compete, his trade value probably isn't going to be much lower in July than it is right now.
similar equation for them as alonso for mets.
to deal him now or in season, there has to be a piece involved they really want.
otherwise keep at reasonable $, compete, and plan on at worst a comp pick next year that should be worth more than $2.5m (assuming mil is a rev share team).
only difference with mets is they can also decide to pay alonso at any point and not lose him at all.
@BNightengale
Atlanta has joined the Dodgers and several others who are engaged in trade talks with the Chicago White Sox for ace Dylan Cease.
Can't wait for the Braves to get another All-Star level player for nothing
Would a Jordan Montgomery signing come with any of these 'strings' attached ?
I think he's the big lefty I'd want to sign.
Would a Jordan Montgomery signing come with any of these 'strings' attached ?
I think he's the big lefty I'd want to sign.
No. He was not eligible for a QO
-previously offered a QO
-Traded in-season during the season prior
@enosarris
The Sonny Gray signing was a strong one, imo. This year, he picked up a sweeper that was #1 by results & #22 by Stuff+ (min 100 IP), always had premium spin, four-seam is still above average if not super fast, and if you just use his projections with aging, StL paid market rate.
@enosarris
Final WBC Stuff+ leaders, minimum 28 pitches per appearance:
1) Shoto Imanaga
2) Yoshinobo Yamamoto
3) Jose De Leon
4) Julio Urias
5) Yu Darvish
6) Sandy Alcantara
7) Cristian Javier
8) Jose Urquidy
9) Shohei Ohtani
10) Luis Garcia
11) Roki Sasaki
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also from a few days ago linked below is his projection on an ohtani contract which falls in line with what i expect. i think id guess 10x$450m so he also hits highest AAV of any player, not just total $, unless the signing team wants to artificially lower the aav for lux tax or something. id also expect some innings related incentives that can bring it over $500m.
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@AzoulayHaron
After reportedly agreeing to terms with RHP Sonny Gray, The Cardinals may not be done looking for starting pitching, as they have had trade talks with multiple teams regarding acquiring a front-line starter, sources tell @MLBNerds
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@Feinsand
Japanese pitchers LHP Shota Imanaga and RHP Naoyuki Uwasawa have officially been posted, per source. Each will have a 45-day window beginning tomorrow to sign with an MLB club, which ends on January 11 at 5pm ET.
9 million
They’re cheaper, work harder, no comp picks, and would be a financial boon to the franchise…
2) it’s next to impossible, but both teams would benefit from finding a third team and making a three way of Alonso and Burnes (Marlins?)
Strong and overlooked signing
Everyone hates him for his contract, but solid bench and occasional starter. Ideal role player IMO.
They’re cheaper, work harder, no comp picks, and would be a financial boon to the franchise…
2) it’s next to impossible, but both teams would benefit from finding a third team and making a three way of Alonso and Burnes (Marlins?)
ive been mentioning something around alonso/burnes since the mil rumor came out. what do you think a 3rd team would offer in that mix though? are you thinking mil wouldnt want alonso any more so the 3rd team gets pete and sends prospects to mil?
if im the mets im only interested if i can get ohtani or soto though.
and playing that out, if i get 1 of them then im less inclined to trade pete.
so the only way i see it is if the mets get 1 of the big hitters but miss out on all the FA pitchers and burnes is the only top rotation guy they can get, and milwaukee is only willing to part with burnes if they can get alonso.
have a great holiday season
They’re cheaper, work harder, no comp picks, and would be a financial boon to the franchise…
2) it’s next to impossible, but both teams would benefit from finding a third team and making a three way of Alonso and Burnes (Marlins?)
What if they miss? specifically on Yamamoto? I don't see a legit fallback plan to contention that makes me confident.
Do they trade Alonso and reset to the extend they can with the players they have under long-term contract?
They’re cheaper, work harder, no comp picks, and would be a financial boon to the franchise…
2) it’s next to impossible, but both teams would benefit from finding a third team and making a three way of Alonso and Burnes (Marlins?)
Pretty hard pass for me on Uwasawa. Soft tosser with poor whiff/k rates whose velocity was down further this season. I expect him to be the next Arihara. Let a team like the Nats take a shot on him.
have a great holiday season
You too!
@JonHeyman
Former KBO MVP Jung Hoo Lee is expected to be posted in early December. Lee, 25, is a lefty hitting CF.
Cohen and his wife Alex said bringing someone on of Havens’ “caliber is an exciting development for the Mets organization.”
While Havens would appear to be an ideal fit to run the Mets local television network — SNY — that is not currently an option because it’s still owned by Sterling Equities, a company controlled by the Wilpon Family, which sold the Mets to Cohen for $2.4 billion. SNY has the rights to air Mets games until 2030.
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@MarinoMLB
Sources tell @AzoulayHaron
and myself that the Cardinals have made teams interested in adding starting pitching aware that LHP Steven Matz is available via trade. Matz signed a 4 year, $44 million contract with STL before 2022.
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Fragile yes, but great stuff when healthy. Almost deGrom lite.
@m_sheldon
According to a source, the Reds were pursuing Sonny Gray and were close before he went to the Cardinals on a reported 3-year, $75 million deal.
Reds also have interest in Tyler Glasnow of the Rays. He's owed $25M in '24. TB is not wanting to rebuild and seeks MLB-ready starter.
montgomery
snell
as well as a 2nd tier SP from FA (whether that's imanaga, or someone else).
if the price on a burnes or glasnow is right then i could see that too either as the 2nd or 3rd SP.
but i see almost no world where they don't sign 1 of the top 3 to a 5 year+ contract.
Am I a ridiculous homer to suggest Parada for Glasnow?
Sure Parada's stock is dropping like a stone but he was a top 50 prospect prior to 2023 and Glasnow is built out of egg shells.
Am I a ridiculous homer to suggest Parada for Glasnow?
Sure Parada's stock is dropping like a stone but he was a top 50 prospect prior to 2023 and Glasnow is built out of egg shells.
Seems very light even with Glasnow's injury history.
Am I a ridiculous homer to suggest Parada for Glasnow?
Sure Parada's stock is dropping like a stone but he was a top 50 prospect prior to 2023 and Glasnow is built out of egg shells.
I suspect the Mets would do this with the quickness. I question if a team like TB that values defense over offense at the C position would be interested in Parada.
@MLBNetworkRadio
"I think they're listening. Keep on eye on Alex Bregman."
@JimDuquetteGM
isn't sure the #Astros can re-sign their star third baseman next offseason.
Bryce Spalding
@bryce_spalding
From Jeff Passan today at 10 am :
“So the Reds -- who, like the Orioles, also dabbled in the Nola negotiations -- need a starter. Giving up controllable talent for one-year rentals isn't necessarily the Reds' style. Doing so for a frontline type, though, is well within their means talent- and budget-wise, with a payroll that currently stands at $32 million and warrants a bump into nine-figure territory. At the recent owners meetings, Cincinnati's Bob Castellini said he expects to spend this offseason.”
#Reds are going to be active.
maybe. i think he crossed paths with mendoza as a nyy so the mets have that connection + the obvious ($). he and his wife grew up in south carolina, it looks like she's a dr who matched at vanderbilt earlier this year so who knows.
i think both yamamoto and snell are higher tier pitchers, so unless mendoza or stearns loves him they'd probably go for those 2 first. yamamoto makes the most sense for a huge contract nobody else matches.
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Former KBO MVP Jung Hoo Lee is expected to be posted in early December. Lee, 25, is a lefty hitting CF.
I’m a big fan of his, I’d definitely make an offer for him
The "can you believe the Mets gave up on this guy" memes would write themselves, just like with TDA.
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If TB is indeed looking for MLB ready talent for Glasnow. You're basically looking at Baty or Mauricio, though David Peterson would fulfill his destiny as "the Rays turned him into a good #3" if he were involved
The "can you believe the Mets gave up on this guy" memes would write themselves, just like with TDA.
or maybe it would be opposite and the Mets are the beneficiaries and the comments are pitying the Pirates and Rays because Glasnow finally stays healthy like TDA did on his 4th or 5th team.
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expect Montgomery to stay with the Rangers for a deal that ends up being reported as less than the top offer.
maybe. i think he crossed paths with mendoza as a nyy so the mets have that connection + the obvious ($). he and his wife grew up in south carolina, it looks like she's a dr who matched at vanderbilt earlier this year so who knows.
i think both yamamoto and snell are higher tier pitchers, so unless mendoza or stearns loves him they'd probably go for those 2 first. yamamoto makes the most sense for a huge contract nobody else matches.
She's apparently doing her residency in Boston so they are both living there right now. Could help the Red Sox... or even the Mets/Yankees/Phillies
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expect Montgomery to stay with the Rangers for a deal that ends up being reported as less than the top offer.
maybe. i think he crossed paths with mendoza as a nyy so the mets have that connection + the obvious ($). he and his wife grew up in south carolina, it looks like she's a dr who matched at vanderbilt earlier this year so who knows.
i think both yamamoto and snell are higher tier pitchers, so unless mendoza or stearns loves him they'd probably go for those 2 first. yamamoto makes the most sense for a huge contract nobody else matches.
She's apparently doing her residency in Boston so they are both living there right now. Could help the Red Sox... or even the Mets/Yankees/Phillies
the instagram post i found re vandy mentioned she was also doing a pelim year at harvard so I assume that's what she's doing in boston.
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(yes im aware that this was a strange place for mlb free agent sleuthing to go)
back to jordan, there is a lot to like there. it would not shock me at all of mendoza really likes him and he's a top target along with yamamoto. signing the 2 of them and a bunch of relievers, maybe one of the COF'ers, would be a great offseason with no futures sacrificed.
he was in the NYY org for 8+ seasons and with Mendoza on the bench for all his starts from 2017 when he debut in the bigs until his trade. i would imagine Mendoza's voice will carry significant weight with stearns, along with montgomery's obvious success the past couple years.
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Residencies are generally short-term (I believe - like a year or two) and many couples don't make life decisions based on the location of a residency.
they did love it when he was traded to NY but it could have been BOS, NY, PHI - any major city with good hospitals which is probably 20+
Residencies are generally short-term (I believe - like a year or two) and many couples don't make life decisions based on the location of a residency.
they did love it when he was traded to NY but it could have been BOS, NY, PHI - any major city with good hospitals which is probably 20+
i dont see it as a specific positive or negative. im a general believer that $ wins 9x out of 10.
they dont have kids and seemed to be comfortable with their careers already having taken them to different places, so i assume they are expecting that to continue - but if the biggest offer also happens to be conveniently located that's im sure a bonus.
as would be if he happened to have some kind of pre-existing relationship at his new team (like mendoza may be).
he's earned $20m over his career, this contract will be for more than that in year 1 so this is going to be his big payday, probably his only one, so i would imagine he is going to the highest bidder.
“Free agent lefty Jordan Montgomery is spending the winter in Boston, calling the city his offseason home while his wife, McKenzie, begins her dermatology residency at an area hospital. Montgomery has been working out and throwing at Boston College in recent weeks, according to multiple sources.“
Not sure if I posted the payroll math in this thread or one of the others, but if they do it will require big investment beyond what they’ve spent before. Not saying they won’t do that, but I’d be surprised I think. I think they are only about $40m from their prior high and anything beyond takes them to top tax tier for first time.
Dodgers seem like a much bigger threat, and while I doubt they get Soto they are in big on all the big name Japanese players. Not that that’s a big secret. They are like 150m below their prior high. Mets about 110m below last years high.
Could see that. I don’t think I’d do it bc it’s selling pretty low on McNeil and he is a very useful chess piece, but I could see it. And the rays likely have other pieces on the fringes of their system who Mets would like for depth. Interesting idea.
Separately we should do a top 10-20 fa game while we wait for stuff to actually happen. Not sure who my met guesses would be, they seem very hard to read right now. Hard to see them not being the high $ on Yamamoto I guess. I have a feeling other than him it will be a burst out of nowhere like epplers first Black Friday maybe right before winter meetings?
Yamamoto and Soto would be a monster offseason - they are linked to both so not exactly ground breaking, right?
who knows who else.
the last time I doubted the Yankees would be aggressive in FA my father (a diehard yankees fan) said they would sign Teixeira both Sabathia (I think the two biggest FA names available) and I said no way they sign both - to top it off they added Burnett).
Soto would obviously be a trade, but who knows maybe an extension too.
bellinger - nyy (fits short porch, good defense at a few spots, may not stop them from getting soto)
yamamoto - nym (dont see them getting outbid for a near perfect fit)
snell - lad (if they get ohtani and outbid on yamamoto, why not keep going on QO players? snell probably cheaper than yamamoto even w/ CY, better than e-rod who they were willing to extend)
montgomery - bos (al east track record, wife in bos so already training there)
chapman - detroit (may be too on the nose next to baez)
hader - lad (again may as well go all in on QOs)
imanaga - lad
e-rod - chc (seems similar to taillon/stroman signings)
gurriel - nym (assuming they dont get soto, +23 DRS in LF last 3 years, +2 OAA last year, good arm, good contact bat)
not sure why but i think the mets get giolito if they dont spend bigger for the 2nd sp. probably a glorified pillow deal with a 2nd year option and opt out. and a bunch of relievers. o/u 3.5. would like to see a lugo reunion as 5th sp/flex guy but may be wishful thinking.
This might very well affect how the Mets approach signing a player with a QO (e.g., Blake Snell if the Mets miss out on YY). That would require them to forfeit their first round pick if it isn't in the top 6 selections. Right now the Mets have the 7th best odds to win the lottery. This is going to be a big event for them for that reason. Instead of forfeiting their first round pick if it's not in the top 6 picks, they'd only be giving up their 2nd round and 5th round picks I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong please).
As one would expect, these teams face the stiffest penalties. For signing a QO-rejecting free agent, these clubs would have to give up $1MM in international bonus pool money, as well as two draft picks — their second- and fifth-highest selections in the 2024 draft.
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This might very well affect how the Mets approach signing a player with a QO (e.g., Blake Snell if the Mets miss out on YY). That would require them to forfeit their first round pick if it isn't in the top 6 selections. Right now the Mets have the 7th best odds to win the lottery. This is going to be a big event for them for that reason. Instead of forfeiting their first round pick if it's not in the top 6 picks, they'd only be giving up their 2nd round and 5th round picks I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong please).
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Competitive Balance Tax Payors: Dodgers, Padres, Mets, Phillies, Braves, Rangers, Blue Jays, Yankees
As one would expect, these teams face the stiffest penalties. For signing a QO-rejecting free agent, these clubs would have to give up $1MM in international bonus pool money, as well as two draft picks — their second- and fifth-highest selections in the 2024 draft.
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The Mets won’t be giving up their 1st regardless. If they don’t pick top 6 their pick and associated pool money drops 10 spots (to 17th). Their QO cost remains the same. 2nd round pick, 5th round pick and 1 million in IFA money.
It’s been a little slower than usual but not substantially so. It’s always a bit of a slog before the meetings and arguably the top 2 FA pretty much pace the field (Ohtani/Yamamoto) and both of them have decided to go slow with their process which slows down the rest of the market.
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Are teams in a holding pattern of sorts until next week's Nashville Winter Meetings in your opinion Dan?
It’s been a little slower than usual but not substantially so. It’s always a bit of a slog before the meetings and arguably the top 2 FA pretty much pace the field (Ohtani/Yamamoto) and both of them have decided to go slow with their process which slows down the rest of the market.
Makes sense. Great point about the two big FA linchpins. It feels like once the first dominoes fall that the rest will swiftly follow. Thanks again Dan.
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Are teams in a holding pattern of sorts until next week's Nashville Winter Meetings in your opinion Dan?
It’s been a little slower than usual but not substantially so. It’s always a bit of a slog before the meetings and arguably the top 2 FA pretty much pace the field (Ohtani/Yamamoto) and both of them have decided to go slow with their process which slows down the rest of the market.
Yeah, there's also never been this many impact players posted from Japan/Korea, etc.
rosenthal says not a question of "if" but "when/where" on Soto, so once ohtani chooses id imagine that bidding war goes thermonuclear.
the pitching market is already moving. nola decided, depth guys coming off the board. most teams need multiple pitchers. yamamoto and imanaga are on clock, yamamoto timing lines up pretty close to WM or shortly after, imanaga likely after that.
if the mets dont identify and lock down a couple depth arms pre-WM it will be disappointing. they have 12+ spots to fill on 40 man.
the LAD are probably going to spend $150m this offseason and they only have 5 spots open right now.
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i think they are in to the extent they can be on ohtani, and he is running the tightest ship i can recall of a big FA, and obviously in very big on yamamoto.
there probably arent any other FA hitters worth getting aggressive with right now, and on the pitching side i think the market is staggered behind yamamoto (who isnt so there's smoke). snell is also the only boras client the nym may be interested in, and i think he's probably back burner at best until yamamoto decides, and we know there are ny reporters who source a lot of their info from boras.
like i said im very surprised they havent signed some depth arms though given how many slots they need to fill.
but the rest of the silence kind of makes sense because i think they are big game game hunting ohtani, yamamoto, soto - and it's hard to see cohen not rage spending to come away with 1 of them.
if they miss on all of the real big fish, 1 of snell/montgomery is getting paid.
You rarely see a top 3-4 as strong as this past season
looking for chapman teams they would be a fit. and a very similar FA profile to baez, though different regime so who knows.
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may get stuck with Bauer and Shecky will need to pick a new team, lol.
if they miss on all of the real big fish, 1 of snell/montgomery is getting paid.
Even with them I still support Bauer if he checks out legally and his version of events is accurate.
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I don’t see a way for him to improve unless he increases his declining fastball velocity (94.2 to 92.8 to 91.3 to 91.4) since he is already limiting his fastball usage to 35%. Three of his secondaries have a 13% or better swinging-strike rate. Just expect a ton of innings with an 8.0 K/9 and a near 4.00 ERA."
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dont want to say im nervous, but im anxious for him to get his first big deal.
maybe it's just as easy as opening up cohen's checkbook but for all his issues eppler knew how to win an offseason and get big deals done.
the rangers dont win the WS if they hadnt made a lot of big deals in the past few offseasons.
Sears is a personal favorite trade target and Blackburn would be worth calling about as well
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Glasnow trade chatter is running wild and Cubs seem to be very involved. Their deep farm system + ML ready talent makes them an intriguing partner.
One player I’d target in return from them is Keegan Thompson. He’s got a wide arsenal that I think can reach another level
he was suspended and went to Japan as far as I know
And no he hasn't retired, his agent just shot down a report he was going to pitch in Venezuela and confirmed he's looking to sign with an MLB team. He came out and gave Cole (his former enemy) praise for winning CY, some took that to be a move to garner some interest from NYY.
In the case of the New York Yankees and Yoshinobu Yamamoto, it’s a small but potentially meaningful part of a courtship.
According to league sources, the Yanks have purposefully held the number 18 for Yamamoto over the past year. That is not only Yamamoto’s number with the Orix Buffaloes, but is traditionally considered the "ace" number in Japan.
Hiroki Kuroda, a onetime NPB ace, wore 18 with the Yankees. Masahiro Tanaka wore number 18 as an ace for the NPB’s Rakuten Golden Eagles before signing with the Yankees, but took 19 in New York out of respect for Kuroda, who was still on the team.
That's Mike Marino, not the aforementioned Andy Martino to be clear.
HAAAAAAAAAA
He checks all the boxes, except the douche box 😂
I vow to not follow, nor contribute here while he wears orange and blue.
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That's Mike Marino, not the aforementioned Andy Martino to be clear.
Not sure who Marino is talking about in the above quote. I like Montgomery too.
Oh, and Darryl.....do you mind if we 'unretire' number 18 for the next few years ?
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is free to sign with an MLB team.
And no he hasn't retired, his agent just shot down a report he was going to pitch in Venezuela and confirmed he's looking to sign with an MLB team. He came out and gave Cole (his former enemy) praise for winning CY, some took that to be a move to garner some interest from NYY.
Lol, I was thinking of Trevor May. I thought it was weird but maybe Bauer said "fuck it, I'm done."
Unrelated to this, but as a Habs fan too, I hate retiring jersey numbers.
Get a ring of honor or team hall of fame, or whatever. Retiring numbers is stupid.
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says they really like Montgomery.
That's Mike Marino, not the aforementioned Andy Martino to be clear.
Not sure who Marino is talking about in the above quote. I like Montgomery too.
Oh, and Darryl.....do you mind if we 'unretire' number 18 for the next few years ?
Marino says the Mets like Montgomery
is he good enough to be a true top of the rotation guy?
if not can they afford him as the 2nd SP they get?
only need to answer yes to 1 of the above.
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Sources: Mets have identified Jordan Montgomery as a pitcher they really like. Yoshinobu Yamamoto is someone they are also very interested in, but far more teams are interested in him which could make it more difficult to acquire him. Both pitchers on Mets wishlist.
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(these are educated guesses):
Soto: Yankees
Glasnow: Cardinals
Montgomery: Mets
Yamamoto: a team in NY
Ohtani: Dodgers
Bieber: Reds
Burnes: No Trade
Alonso: No Trade
Torres: No Trade
India: Blue Jays
Cease: Orioles
Robert: No Trade (but they should)
a Yamamoto + Montgomery offseason would be a home run.
they retained ~$21m each and thereby saved $22m each in 2024.
those amounts will obviously go a pretty long way toward paying down 2 top of the rotation arms if they like the players/price tags enough.
with senga a likely opt out in 2 years and Quintana up next year, there is certainly room for 2 long term SP deals. i expect 1 long term and 1 short term just knowing the market is competitive for the top guys, but yamamoto and montgomery would be an A offseason and just what dr ordered.
is he good enough to be a true top of the rotation guy?
if not can they afford him as the 2nd SP they get?
only need to answer yes to 1 of the above.
I don't see much of an argument for him being a top of the rotation starter, nor will his contract come in at that range. He has a career 3.68 era/3.75 FIP and will be 31. I'd love to add Montgomery but I don't even think the most optimistic of views projects him to suddenly become an ace. Steamer projects him for 3.2 fWAR, 3.94 era/4.01 FIP and those projects sound about right to me. Puts his "value" around where Gray's is, but younger with no QO attached. So he probably gets more years than you'd like (guessing 6) at about 26 million per season
6x26 = 156 million is about where I expect his contract to come in.
Mentality aside, Montgomery may not be an ace or net a contract befitting one. That said, practically any rotation could benefit from his addition, and he should cross into nine-figure territory with his upcoming deal. – JJ
Law
He did undergo Tommy John surgery in 2018 but hasn’t missed a start since the beginning of the 2020 season, including 32 starts each of the past two years. Montgomery is definitely at his peak right now, with his best velocity and results, but I like this formula — strikes, deception, changing speeds, without reliance on huge velocity — to age well, so he’s one of the few starting pitchers on this market I’d be willing to go four years for, and I think he’ll probably end up with five-year offers.
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Steamer projects E-Rod at 2.9 fWAR, 4.08 FIP, 3.97 era
Montgomery 3.2 fWAR, 4.01 FIP, 3.94 era
2023 E-Rod 152.2 innings 3.66 FIP 3.0 fWAR 3.30 era
2023 Montgomery 188.2 innings 3.56 FIP, 4.3 fWAR 3.20 era
Just doesn't look like a double the money, 2 more years level gap (and I'd happily take both of them).
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Kenta Maeda contract with the Detroit Tigers is now official:
2024: $14 million.
2025: $10 million.
any team giving out that contract is only doing it if they think Montgomery is a top of the rotation pitcher. judging by marino's report, the mets may think that.
the last 3 full years 2021-2023 montgomery is the 17th most productive SP in mlb - which if you go by the basic math that there are 30 teams and each has 2 top of the rotation starters means he was comfortably performing to that level (on playoff teams no less). so he has a legitimate argument at being considered 'top of the rotation' even if as law said for a long time his stuff was projected more middle/back of the rotation.
and I do agree with you Dan it's a valid question whether or not he has just overachieved or if he's legitimately that good despite not having high end stuff. obviously that's what the NYY thought when they dealt him for Bader. his numbers are good enough to warrant categorizing him as good as Snell, but the stuff holds me back to thinking it'd be better if he was the 2nd best SP they add despite the price tag.
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bassitt got 21m at age 34 with QO depressing market, after crapping the bed in his 2 biggest starts of the year.
a younger player of exactly the same skill level, without a QO and off a good postseason, is going to get more because the demand is going to be higher, and obviously a longer deal as well since he's got more prime years left. montgomery's contract projections range between 22m-26m and i think that's reasonable (esp since those numbers net out to similar take home $ depending on taxes in different markets).
end of the day i think all of these guys are going to get comparable AAVs (Nola got 24.5m, e-rod opted out of 16m, gray got 25m, snell and montgomery likely to get in that 25m range). the years are the bigger differentiator w/r/t the demand. younger and without QO should be in higher demand, along with more reliable innings projections.
Brubaker departed Point72 after four years to “pursue other opportunities,” according to an internal memo seen by Bloomberg, which didn’t give further details.
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The Baltimore Orioles have reported to have offered Naoyuki Uwasawa a multi-year contract with him settling for the 4th to 5th spot in the starting rotation.
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The Yankees purposefully did not issue #18 last year and have been saving it for Yoshinobu Yamamoto to possibly claim, per
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Yamamoto wore #18, which is traditionally considered the "ace" number in Japan, with the Orix Buffaloes
btw #18 is also available for mets.
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The Yankees purposefully did not issue #18 last year and have been saving it for Yoshinobu Yamamoto to possibly claim, per
@martinonyc
Yamamoto wore #18, which is traditionally considered the "ace" number in Japan, with the Orix Buffaloes
btw #18 is also available for mets.
18 is being retired this season for the Mets so it's not available for Yamamoto.
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or at least not doing much to tamp things down. they are either going full evil empire and upping their payroll to like $350m+ or something is going to have to give in their status as favorites for yamamoto, soto, bellinger, etc.
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The Yankees purposefully did not issue #18 last year and have been saving it for Yoshinobu Yamamoto to possibly claim, per
@martinonyc
Yamamoto wore #18, which is traditionally considered the "ace" number in Japan, with the Orix Buffaloes
btw #18 is also available for mets.
18 is being retired this season for the Mets so it's not available for Yamamoto.
wow i totally missed that announcement.
what level of prospect is he compared to big bro as an IFA?
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Expected to sign Vladi Miguel Guerrero in the 2024 IFA period per Mayer. Son of Vlad and brother of Vlad Jr.
what level of prospect is he compared to big bro as an IFA?
Not a major prospect
Out of a deal
With the Mets…. Yeesh
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Expected to sign Vladi Miguel Guerrero in the 2024 IFA period per Mayer. Son of Vlad and brother of Vlad Jr.
what level of prospect is he compared to big bro as an IFA?
Not a major prospect
what was vlad jr? i know mets almost got him in wilpon years and i think it was pre-pools so i assume wasnt a huge sb?
The son of nine-time All-Star and 2004 American League Most Valuable Player Vladimir Guerrero, the right-handed batter could be the best overall hitter in the class, and some consider him the best overall player this year.
"Those kind of guys don't come across very often," said Blue Jays special assistant of Latin American operations Ismael Cruz on Thursday. "So it was either play all of your marbles on one guy or it was go out and get a couple of players that are fine, but for us, Vladimir is a difference-maker. He has the potential to be a very, very special kid."
Blue Jays stole Cruz from the Mets, he now runs the Dodgers IFA department
the surprising thing is that the mets were that in it in those days. whenever those negotiations were going on had to be peak madoff problems ('12-14?).
- my IFA guy on Guerrero “bad body, big power but don’t love the swing, last name is the carrying tool”
- my IFA guy on Guerrero “bad body, big power but don’t love the swing, last name is the carrying tool”
i dont hate betting on bloodlines when it comes to hitting. especially if it's not even a big bonus.
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Got one of the largest bonuses in recent memory (3.9 million) (the Mets at one point were expected to sign him)
the surprising thing is that the mets were that in it in those days. whenever those negotiations were going on had to be peak madoff problems ('12-14?).
I remember their pursuit and almost signing of Guerrero being surprising but I don’t recall their being any real explanation. My complete guess is Cruz had a relationship with Vlad Sr. But how they convinced the Wilpons to come “close” to 3.9 is beyond me
we've had an excess of time spent not celebrating things for reflection.
They sign Dan as. Free agent, and we’re fucked…
Cuz Prisonstriper fans are mongos.
Scott Havens, CEO of Bloomberg Media, has been named the new President of Business Operations for the New York Mets beginning January 2024. He will take over the role from Sandy Alderson, who will transition into an advisory position.
As President, Havens will oversee all non-baseball operations for the Mets and report directly to team owner Steve Cohen. His priorities include improving workflows, boosting revenue, and elevating the fan experience.
The appointment signifies substantial leadership changes for the Mets, with Havens' media and business expertise expected to shape the team's business management and operations. Meanwhile, Sandy Alderson will provide institutional guidance in an advisory capacity during the transition and beyond.
In summary, Scott Havens brings fresh leadership to the Mets' business side, while Sandy Alderson continues advising the club. Significant operational changes are anticipated from Havens' appointment as he takes over business operations leadership.
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Somehow I never considered the fact that Piazza’s 9/11 home run came off a guy born in NYC/Flushing.
Scott Havens, CEO of Bloomberg Media, has been named the new President of Business Operations for the New York Mets beginning January 2024. He will take over the role from Sandy Alderson, who will transition into an advisory position.
As President, Havens will oversee all non-baseball operations for the Mets and report directly to team owner Steve Cohen. His priorities include improving workflows, boosting revenue, and elevating the fan experience.
The appointment signifies substantial leadership changes for the Mets, with Havens' media and business expertise expected to shape the team's business management and operations. Meanwhile, Sandy Alderson will provide institutional guidance in an advisory capacity during the transition and beyond.
In summary, Scott Havens brings fresh leadership to the Mets' business side, while Sandy Alderson continues advising the club. Significant operational changes are anticipated from Havens' appointment as he takes over business operations leadership.
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It’s been suggested he’ll be particularly valuable once the TV deal is up.. which sadly isn’t for a while but still.
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Scott Havens, CEO of Bloomberg Media, has been named the new President of Business Operations for the New York Mets beginning January 2024. He will take over the role from Sandy Alderson, who will transition into an advisory position.
As President, Havens will oversee all non-baseball operations for the Mets and report directly to team owner Steve Cohen. His priorities include improving workflows, boosting revenue, and elevating the fan experience.
The appointment signifies substantial leadership changes for the Mets, with Havens' media and business expertise expected to shape the team's business management and operations. Meanwhile, Sandy Alderson will provide institutional guidance in an advisory capacity during the transition and beyond.
In summary, Scott Havens brings fresh leadership to the Mets' business side, while Sandy Alderson continues advising the club. Significant operational changes are anticipated from Havens' appointment as he takes over business operations leadership.
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It’s been suggested he’ll be particularly valuable once the TV deal is up.. which sadly isn’t for a while but still.
That is what I was thinking. I'd imagine Cohen is planning to buy SNY.
Yup. 2030
https://www.amny.com/sports/where-does-sny-stand-amid-steve-cohen-mets-takeover/
https://metsmerizedonline.com/report-steve-cohen-still-interested-in-buying-sny/
at one point i think there were rumors that cohen was paying a total of $4bn for both mets/sny but that ended up not true.
by the way going back down memory lane, thank god the wilponzis wilponzied the original deal because had they not done that and screwed the pooch, they still would have been involved at least transitionally through next year.
"I'm very disappointed we couldn't work out a deal," Cohen said in a statement after the deal broke apart, per Tim Healey of Newsday. "But as an 8 percent holder, I'm looking forward to a higher bid for the team."
While the two sides had initially agreed on a five-year transition period, the Wilpons wanted to maintain team control beyond the 2024 season and wanted to extend their control of SNY beyond the current 20-year rights deal, per Deesha Thosar of the New York Daily News.
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Reds are among many teams in on Emilio Pagan, who had a nice season in Minnesota (2.99 ERA, 0.95 WHIP). Time for the reliever market to open up a bit.
he kept the control beyond 5 years i think - it sounds like sands corp is going to develop a big resort/casino around the arena once gambling gets legalized so that was their incentive (which is similar i guess to what cohen is trying to do, so in a way they kind of stole the cohen model too).
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@JonHeyman
Reds are among many teams in on Emilio Pagan, who had a nice season in Minnesota (2.99 ERA, 0.95 WHIP). Time for the reliever market to open up a bit.
Homer prone RPer in that ballpark... whatever could go wrong? (and yes, HR's weren't an issue for him in 2023) but 2021+2022 1.99 HR/9, the worst mark in baseball among RP's
it has proven mostly inconsequential and it is so very wilpons that they would hang on to a dying asset bc they like the short term cash flow leveraged by a self serving deal they did.
sports rights continue to increase in value so cohen waiting them out to 2030 is probably something they should be very afraid of because sny is likely worthless at that point (if it even hangs on until then).
@martinonyc
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The Mets are active . In fact they are close to acquiring a player. Not star level but I don’t have the name at present
not sure what padres would do with volpe since they have kim, bogaerts, tatis, machado, so dominguez seems to me like he has to be the obvious centerpiece.
michael king has some value but he is 28 and schmidt isnt far behind at 27. i assume the "and more" would still be at least 1 substantial prospect because that deal may as well be baty, peterson (assuming he was healthy), megill, and in dominguez case he too is coming off injury.
https://www.sny.tv/articles/update-yankees-juan-soto-trade-talks - ( New Window )
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"My totally made-up trade
Carlos Correa and Max Kepler to the Mets for Starling Marte, Tylor Megill and Mark Vientos"
"My totally made-up trade
Carlos Correa and Max Kepler to the Mets for Starling Marte, Tylor Megill and Mark Vientos"
Mets dodged a bullet with the Correa contract, so take it on...
Michael Marino
@MarinoMLB
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Sources: Ohtani sweepstakes are moving along and the Texas Rangers and at least one team in the AL East has dropped out. Teams who feel they aren’t real players are beginning to take themselves out of talks.
@MarinoMLB
Among the teams I have confirmed are still in for MLB Phenom Shohei Ohtani:
Dodgers
Cubs
Blue Jays
Angels
This isn’t an exclusive list, others still remain in. These are just the ones I know are still in the mix.
@MarinoMLB
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Sources: Starting pitching market is active. Not entirely impossible we see one of the bigger FA arms go in the next day or two. The lefties are drawing a ton of interest, Eduardo Rodriguez and Jordan Montgomery. Some teams wary of waiting out the Yamamoto sweepstakes.
ive seen some suggestions about mets resetting their luxury tax on twitter based on a rosenthal comment, there's basically no way to do that this year, but i need to look at how realistic it would be for next year. it obviously isnt stopping them from going after yamamoto, but i wonder if they did all short term deals other than yamamoto if getting under next year is realistic when the scherzer money is fully gone, along with mccann, quintana, narvaez.
my hunch is no, unless they have numerous of their young guys step up as cheap starter level players this year.
if they need to send houston more money for verlander's option then it becomes harder.
if say vientos steps up and makes alonso expendable, then it becomes easier again. or if they can find some way to dump marte.
but net-net i think it's possible to spend $50m multi-year in the starting rotation and still have wiggle room to stay under luxury tax threshold if they want. if they are a playoff team i doubt it factors in, but if they aren't that's when they may think a reset makes sense. or if there's just nobody they want to spend on.
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Reds are among many teams in on Emilio Pagan, who had a nice season in Minnesota (2.99 ERA, 0.95 WHIP). Time for the reliever market to open up a bit.
Goes to the Reds on a 2 year deal.
@mike_petriello
Pagán is always underrated in my view, and CIN badly needs pitching, so mostly good on this, but an extreme fly-ball guy in that park scares me more than a little
@mike_petriello
Pagán is always underrated in my view, and CIN badly needs pitching, so mostly good on this, but an extreme fly-ball guy in that park scares me more than a little
the hosmer piece of that deal aside since i think they were going to dump him off anyway, the paddack would be nice to have right now too.
who even knows, if they kept hosmer maybe it would have prevented them from the vogelbach trade and losing holderman too.
Héctor Gómez
@hgomez27
BREAKING: Nelson Cruz embraces new role as Los Angeles Dodgers' adviser, per @TenchyRodNYC
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Héctor Gómez
@hgomez27
BREAKING: Nelson Cruz embraces new role as Los Angeles Dodgers' adviser, per @TenchyRodNYC
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BREAKING: Mets now stock pop tarts in the clubhouse for players
Héctor Gómez
@hgomez27
RP Luis Perdomo, who pitched this season with the @chibalotte
, will be an official free agent starting tomorrow, after having an excellent 2023 season in Japan, where he pitched in 53 games, with 41 holds and a 2.13 ERA.
Many MLB and Japanese teams are expected to show interest in Perdomo.
He earned $1.8MM in 2023.
- my IFA guy on Guerrero “bad body, big power but don’t love the swing, last name is the carrying tool”
Video of Acosta
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@Ken_Rosenthal
Emilio Pagán deal with Reds, pending physical, source tells @TheAthletic
: Two years, $16M with performance bonuses. Player option after year one. First with agreement: @Feinsand
@JonHeyman
@MarinoMLB
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Memo to MLB fans. Your team probably wants Yoshinobu Yamamoto. The problem is your friends team also wants Yoshinobu Yamamoto. It’s craziness behind the scenes for him, and the $ might be absolutely absurd. Might be closer to $300M than it is to $200M.
Michael Marino
@MarinoMLB
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Mets are in on Yamamoto. They love him, for good reason. But I can’t stress enough how many interested suitors there are. Almost feels like teams are scared to be the ones to miss out on him. That leads to chaos, and a boat load of money for Yamamoto.
i think you need to count on Yamamoto as gravy if you get him.
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While the exact names are not known, the Padres are said to be looking at top prospects/rookies like Jasson Dominguez and Anthony Volpe, young major league pitchers in the Michael King/Clarke Schmidt category, and more. That is standard behavior at the beginning of trade talks for a superstar player. It was also standard behavior for the Yankees to say no, but want to keep talking.
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There is virtually no expectation that a team acquiring Soto this winter would be able to sign him to an extension before free agency. Trading for him would be akin to picking up a rental player at the July trade deadline.
not sure what padres would do with volpe since they have kim, bogaerts, tatis, machado, so dominguez seems to me like he has to be the obvious centerpiece.
michael king has some value but he is 28 and schmidt isnt far behind at 27. i assume the "and more" would still be at least 1 substantial prospect because that deal may as well be baty, peterson (assuming he was healthy), megill, and in dominguez case he too is coming off injury. https://www.sny.tv/articles/update-yankees-juan-soto-trade-talks - ( New Window )
Soto is SD's get out of jail free card to makeup for all the resources they used up in search of a win now championship
It feels like the Yankees offer is being used to drive up other teams offers...
Plus the history of Yankee prospects has to leave some level of caution with AJ. Preller.
There has to be better offers.
@AzoulayHaron
Big news regarding the outfielder market: The Rays are shopping OF Randy Arozarena, and there’s a good chance that he is moved, sources tell @MLBNerds
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he should have done the gibby podcast. missed opportunity.
Maeda 2x12
Lopez 3x10
Maeda 2x12
Lopez 3x10
I wanted Lopez BADLY. He would've been perfect to set up Diaz.
Maeda 2x12
Lopez 3x10
i really hope they make some kind of signing along these lines (and per martino it sounds like they may).
here's 1 theory we can track though in terms of why things may be slow, it may very well be that they aren't looking to go halfway this offseason.
they may either be all in on certain long term guys (yamamoto, montgomery, ohtani etc).
and if not then only want 1 year deals even if they are inflated AAV so they can preserve the option to reset lux tax next year.
both of those groups are harder to leverage quickly than a middle road contract that's going to be harder for a middle of the road player to pass up (fearing the market leaving them out in the cold).
@martinonyc
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The Dodgers are believed to be a strong contender for Yamamoto, too. If LAD does not end up with Ohtani, that's a major threat to Yankees/Mets chances.
@jonmorosi
Sources: Dylan Cease trade talks have intensified in the last 48 hours, and some people close to the negotiations believe a deal *before* the winter meetings is increasingly possible.
Cease’s hometown Braves are among the finalists.
Right last name, wrong first name. But IIRC they paid Gregory a lot of money, more than Gimenez or whoever it was who was signed at the time.
Mark Feinsand
@Feinsand
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Luis Severino is nearing a deal with the Mets, per source.
@jonbecker_
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2m
Median contract prediction is 1y/$10.5M
It if there isn’t a team option but its fine.
basically the same money. id be lying if i wasnt getting betances vibes from this but i guess you trust that they did their homework that he's healthy. he doesn't seem to have had the velocity issues betances had, it seems like it was a bunch of lat strains in the past couple years.
here's an article on his ending in the bronx.
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@martinonyc
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1m
Luis Severino is just the beginning. More pitching coming to Mets soon
overpaying severino to get him on a 1 year deal may be a strategy we see them continue to keep the door open on possibly reseting luxury tax next year.
from his top 50 FA:
39. Luis Severino, RHP
Seasonal age in 2024: 30
Bats: R | Throws: R
2023 team: Yankees
Stats: 6.65 ERA, 89 1/3 IP, 34 BB, 79 K, 23 HR, -1.5 bWAR/-0.6 fWAR
Severino finished third in the Cy Young Award voting in 2017 and was off to an even better start in 2018, with a 2.31 in 128 1/3 innings at the break, but since then it’s all gone to pieces. He had a 5.57 ERA in the second half of that year, then suffered a series of injuries including two to his shoulder, a UCL tear and a lat strain, so he’s thrown 209 1/3 innings in the past five seasons. Since that 2018 midpoint, he’s got a 4.73 ERA and bottomed out this past year where even his premium fastball couldn’t miss enough bats or limit hard contact.
Between his arm trouble and a delivery that’s always made it hard for him to repeat, he seems like an ideal candidate to move to the bullpen, where he can air it out for an inning or two, and maybe regain some of the bite on his slider — actually on his four-seamer too, as neither pitch had as much vertical movement in 2023 as they had in the previous few seasons. He had huge issues with lefties in 2023, and he hasn’t regained the changeup he flashed before the arm trouble, but might need to try a new approach to the pitch or try a splitter or cutter, given how long it’s been since his changeup was a weapon for him. Someone may try him as a starter, but I think they’re tilting at windmills with his track record, and I would love to see what he looks like in a short relief role, where I think he’ll miss a lot more bats. He could extend his career and maybe even become an elite late-game option, as we’ve seen with a lot of former starters who couldn’t hold up under the workload.
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better than Carrasco for less money.
basically the same money. id be lying if i wasnt getting betances vibes from this but i guess you trust that they did their homework that he's healthy. he doesn't seem to have had the velocity issues betances had, it seems like it was a bunch of lat strains in the past couple years.
here's an article on his ending in the bronx. Luis Severino’s Yankees career might be finished following injury news - ( New Window )
Carrasco 2023 salary: $14M
Severino 2024 salary: $13M
@martinonyc
Mets are in talks with UT Joey Wendle
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better than Carrasco for less money.
basically the same money. id be lying if i wasnt getting betances vibes from this but i guess you trust that they did their homework that he's healthy. he doesn't seem to have had the velocity issues betances had, it seems like it was a bunch of lat strains in the past couple years.
here's an article on his ending in the bronx. Luis Severino’s Yankees career might be finished following injury news - ( New Window )
Carrasco 2023 salary: $14M
Severino 2024 salary: $13M
a) that's a meaningless difference
b) severino has another 2m worth of incentives so he could end up technically more expensive
c) if he does that will be just as meaningless of a difference
@ByRobertMurray
Free-agent infielder Joey Wendle and the New York Mets are in agreement on a contract, pending physical, according to sources familiar with the deal.
murray says deal done (1 year). doesn't feel like an upgrade on guillorme but joey wendle hasn't been on my radar so idk maybe ill change my mind diving deeper.
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better than Carrasco for less money.
basically the same money. id be lying if i wasnt getting betances vibes from this but i guess you trust that they did their homework that he's healthy. he doesn't seem to have had the velocity issues betances had, it seems like it was a bunch of lat strains in the past couple years.
here's an article on his ending in the bronx. Luis Severino’s Yankees career might be finished following injury news - ( New Window )
Carrasco 2023 salary: $14M
Severino 2024 salary: $13M
a) that's a meaningless difference
b) severino has another 2m worth of incentives so he could end up technically more expensive
c) if he does that will be just as meaningless of a difference
k
I understand we are in on Yamamoto and we had 2 aggressive off seasons but this feels like we are not being aggressive. I’m sure I’ll deservedly get crap but it’s frustrating. This feels like a step back and Cohen’s money is not even going to get this team out of the doldrums. We are the Jets of mlb.
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Is probably washed (34 this season) but was once a good player
murray says deal done (1 year). doesn't feel like an upgrade on guillorme but joey wendle hasn't been on my radar so idk maybe ill change my mind diving deeper.
If it's any more than the vet minimum I don't get it.
1 interesting point from Jerry Blevins, he mentioned that he thinks mets are planning to go almost full time 6 man rotation this year and that could help sevirino and with senga already here and them talking to yamamoto/imanaga that would make sense.
@Feinsand
Wendle’s deal is believed to be worth roughly $2 million plus performance bonuses, per source.
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Is probably washed (34 this season) but was once a good player
murray says deal done (1 year). doesn't feel like an upgrade on guillorme but joey wendle hasn't been on my radar so idk maybe ill change my mind diving deeper.
If it's any more than the vet minimum I don't get it.
$2m + incentives. im with you, no idea why they would dump guillorme to spend more on wendle. feels like a "locker room" guy which feels like a wasted roster spot.
1 interesting point from Jerry Blevins, he mentioned that he thinks mets are planning to go almost full time 6 man rotation this year and that could help sevirino and with senga already here and them talking to yamamoto/imanaga that would make sense.
Yeah he's never received one before and if we keep him all year then it's possible but he's really have to pitch well and stay healthy. It's outside the box thinking though so maybe that is in their equation.
I understand we are in on Yamamoto and we had 2 aggressive off seasons but this feels like we are not being aggressive. I’m sure I’ll deservedly get crap but it’s frustrating. This feels like a step back and Cohen’s money is not even going to get this team out of the doldrums. We are the Jets of mlb.
i feel like someone made a similar post 2 years ago right before black friday and like 72 hours before they got scherzer.
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Is probably washed (34 this season) but was once a good player
murray says deal done (1 year). doesn't feel like an upgrade on guillorme but joey wendle hasn't been on my radar so idk maybe ill change my mind diving deeper.
If it's any more than the vet minimum I don't get it.
$2m + incentives. im with you, no idea why they would dump guillorme to spend more on wendle. feels like a "locker room" guy which feels like a wasted roster spot.
Yuck yeah don't get this after looking at his numbers past couple of years. His defense seemed poor last year also.
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im trying to talk myself into liking the signing and i guess it's fine, but it feels like a double risk because you need him to both stay healthy and get better results when healthy. i like that the velocity is still there but someone like giolito you can at least be confident in the health even if you are hoping for a similar bounce back on the field. that risk reduction feels worth an extra $5-10m to me but it's not my $.
1 interesting point from Jerry Blevins, he mentioned that he thinks mets are planning to go almost full time 6 man rotation this year and that could help sevirino and with senga already here and them talking to yamamoto/imanaga that would make sense.
Yeah he's never received one before and if we keep him all year then it's possible but he's really have to pitch well and stay healthy. It's outside the box thinking though so maybe that is in their equation.
it's betting on the bounce back like gausman and rodon in SF but if memory serves they weren't coming off as bad of years.
this feels a little bit more like thor in LAA or harvey. but those guys were perhaps more physically diminished in their velocity so that may not be totally fair either.
I understand we are in on Yamamoto and we had 2 aggressive off seasons but this feels like we are not being aggressive. I’m sure I’ll deservedly get crap but it’s frustrating. This feels like a step back and Cohen’s money is not even going to get this team out of the doldrums. We are the Jets of mlb.
yes you should get crap and you should back away from the keyboard, take a breath, and be patient.
Matt in SGS : mute : 7:35 pm : link : reply
problem, in addition to not staying healthy, is he couldn't come to terms with the fact that he wasn't throwing 99 mph anymore but still thought he did, so he was surprised to get lit up when players were turning on it at 94 mph. He never adjusted. I don't know if he can be rescued as a starter anymore. I remember watching him getting killed and wondered if he was tipping pitches. But then he kept getting hit start after start and you realized, he wasn't tipping pitches, he sucked.
Going from Yankees to Mets isn't a change in scenery really because it's still the same town. If I were the Mets, I'd put him in the pen and see if you can turn him into a dominant setup man for Diaz.
the velocity isnt down quite as much as that (his avg FB was 96.4 last year, career best was 97.6 in 2018. pithed effectively in 2022 at 96.3) but i do think there's good reason to be worried about how poorly his results were last year.
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I understand we are in on Yamamoto and we had 2 aggressive off seasons but this feels like we are not being aggressive. I’m sure I’ll deservedly get crap but it’s frustrating. This feels like a step back and Cohen’s money is not even going to get this team out of the doldrums. We are the Jets of mlb.
yes you should get crap and you should back away from the keyboard, take a breath, and be patient.
pjcas - I am trying to watch the Rangers and my entitled ass is mad about them looking like crap tonight so there's a peak into my mindset.
I thought this was a safespace and if I preface my own flaws I have immunity from criticism.
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and we are linked to Severino and Joey Wendle?
I understand we are in on Yamamoto and we had 2 aggressive off seasons but this feels like we are not being aggressive. I’m sure I’ll deservedly get crap but it’s frustrating. This feels like a step back and Cohen’s money is not even going to get this team out of the doldrums. We are the Jets of mlb.
yes you should get crap and you should back away from the keyboard, take a breath, and be patient.
pjcas - I am trying to watch the Rangers and my entitled ass is mad about them looking like crap tonight so there's a peak into my mindset.
I thought this was a safespace and if I preface my own flaws I have immunity from criticism.
lol, fair enough, carry on. I think the Rangers will come back and win that game.
prior to the wendle announcement thought the next move may have been margot.
same stuff we've heard about yamamoto (they love him, in big) and ohtani (not a top player for him right but could change).
also crazy but i didnt know he's still in college. depressing that there's already a nextgen chris cotillo.
So why not hire him in some capacity that doesn't need a roster spot.
justin turner
doesnt think mets in on glasnow "they aren't looking to pay a rental price in prospects for 1 year"
soto (yankees, mariners, teams with pitching prospects)
e-rod could go soon (mets a team to watch)
hasnt heard anything on giolito
atlanta likes cease, baltimore put a big offer in on him at deadline they probably wish they took
if he hits .212 with a .248 obp and a 306 slg i think i can guarantee nobody will love him unless they are a blood relative. if his blood relatives are mets fans they may not even love him.
wonder how much that part of their FO has changed in the last couple years. presumably something zauzmer is involved in.
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If there’s anyone in the game that’s not just a potential future manager, I think Wendle will one day be a GREAT manager.
So why not hire him in some capacity that doesn't need a roster spot.
Buy one, get one free 🤣
He’s their 5th Starter
And he signed for very good RP money, not starter money.
And on only a one year deal
Patience people
If at the end of the offseason he is our biggest signing I get the concern, but I would be shocked if he wasn’t in the 4th or 5th rotation spot rather than 3rd.
Wendle is bench fodder (it's a meh signing but its not a big deal and signals they are somewhat committed to giving baty/mauricio playing time).
there is some hope for severino. im hoping they have more reasons for hope than we do, but the fact that he still has his velocity is notable.
Among the class, few players have seen their stock drop to the same extent as Severino. He made consecutive All-Star games and secured top-10 Cy Young placements in 2017-18. The righty topped 190 innings in each season and combined for a 3.18 ERA with a 28.8% strikeout rate. Going into 2019, he and the Yankees agreed to a $40MM extension that covered his four arbitration years with a $15MM club option for his first would-be free agent season.
Injuries essentially robbed Severino of the first three years of that deal. Shoulder and lat problems limited him to three starts in 2019. The club announced the following February that he’d suffered a UCL injury requiring Tommy John surgery. That cost him all of 2020 and a good portion of ’21. Severino was set back again by shoulder discomfort late that season, keeping him to four relief outings.
The Dominican-born hurler entered 2022 healthy. He was effective early on, working to a 3.45 ERA behind a 27.2% strikeout rate into mid-July. A lat strain then sent him back to the injured list, keeping him out into September. He made it back to throw 16 regular season innings at the end of the year and tossed 11 frames over two playoff starts. The Yankees were encouraged enough by the form he showed when healthy to exercise the option.
Unfortunately, the lat issues resurfaced this year. Another strain sent Severino to the IL for the first six weeks of the season. He returned at the end of May to reassume a rotation spot. This time, his effectiveness disappeared. Severino was hit hard throughout the summer, surrendering a 6.65 ERA across 89 1/3 innings.
His 2.32 HR/9 rate was second-worst among starting pitchers. The strikeout rate plummeted nearly nine percentage points. He generated swinging strikes on only 9.1% of his offerings after earning a whiff more than 12% of the time in each of the previous two seasons. Severino’s disastrous year finished on a sour note in September. A left oblique strain cut his season short.
Nothing in the 2023 statistical profile is encouraging. The reasons for hope are twofold: his pre-’23 track record of strong performance when healthy and still-present velocity. It’d be easier to explain Severino’s terrible year if the injuries had completely sapped his arm strength. Instead, he averaged an impressive 96.5 MPH on his heater — only a touch below its peak level. His slider wasn’t as sharp as it had been in prior seasons, but Severino’s repertoire didn’t collapse.
A change in environment or potential pitch mix alteration could make him a popular target for a one-year deal. Severino has more impressive raw stuff than Noah Syndergaard did when he found a $13MM guarantee last offseason. Matthew Boyd received $10MM as a rebound candidate coming off a season in which he was limited to 13 1/3 innings. Severino’s camp could look to beat those numbers on a pillow contract.
-Rosenthal says the Marlins are open to moving a SP but not Luzardo or Garrett
-Seattle could be open to moving a SP for offensive help (McNeil? He didn’t suggest McNeil, but DiPoto mentioned 2B and the Mets don’t really have other position players that would both start for Seattle AND possibly be available on the Mets side aka Alonso/Nimmo.
“ Personally, I'd bring in a quality utility man with 3b experience (a Joey Wendle type) and let Baty/Mauricio battle it out for 3b.”
Severino has pitched like a top of the rotation pitcher nearly his entire career when he pitched. The big issue is his injury history, so emphasis on "when he pitched." The exception was last year, where he was atrocious. Last four starts last year, he pitched 21.2 innings and gave up 6 runs with 18 Ks and 4 walks, so there is a SSS postive trend there.
The big question is whether last year was an anomoly or a trend. I asked a number of non-douchie Yankee fan friends their thoughts and it was pretty unanimous that it was a good risk for the Mets, and they all seemed to feel that he was pitching through injury most of the season.
Definitely worth a risk for a Carrasco price. If he's suddenly terrible (like Thor seems to have been), oh well. Demote him to the bullpen as long man or whatever. If it hits, it's a home run. Either re-sign him or get a pick back from the QO.
If they sign two other starters (ie Montgomery/Rodriguez/Yamamoto and a buy low guy like Giolito at a minimum), it's a chance worth taking.
I like these deals for baseball, as it locks up homegrown guys for small market teams, though selfishly, arguably not good for big money teams like the Mets.
“ Personally, I'd bring in a quality utility man with 3b experience (a Joey Wendle type) and let Baty/Mauricio battle it out for 3b.”
You be Kreskin Dan! lol
Seriously though, is Wendle that much of an upgrade over Guillorme? Personally, I'd rather have Guillorme as my utility guy.
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Numbers vs. lefties were atrocious in 2023 and presumably somehow figuring out what to do there would be a huge help. Obviously easier said than done but 1.005 OPS against vs. lefties, career .726
Severino has pitched like a top of the rotation pitcher nearly his entire career when he pitched. The big issue is his injury history, so emphasis on "when he pitched." The exception was last year, where he was atrocious. Last four starts last year, he pitched 21.2 innings and gave up 6 runs with 18 Ks and 4 walks, so there is a SSS postive trend there.
The big question is whether last year was an anomoly or a trend. I asked a number of non-douchie Yankee fan friends their thoughts and it was pretty unanimous that it was a good risk for the Mets, and they all seemed to feel that he was pitching through injury most of the season.
Definitely worth a risk for a Carrasco price. If he's suddenly terrible (like Thor seems to have been), oh well. Demote him to the bullpen as long man or whatever. If it hits, it's a home run. Either re-sign him or get a pick back from the QO.
If they sign two other starters (ie Montgomery/Rodriguez/Yamamoto and a buy low guy like Giolito at a minimum), it's a chance worth taking.
I'm a Yankees fan (I'll defer to you guys on the douchey part). For a team with a bankroll like the Mets, I'd say 1 year is a very worthwhile risk to take.
The upside/downside equation of that signing makes perfect sense IMO.
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“ Personally, I'd bring in a quality utility man with 3b experience (a Joey Wendle type) and let Baty/Mauricio battle it out for 3b.”
You be Kreskin Dan! lol
Seriously though, is Wendle that much of an upgrade over Guillorme? Personally, I'd rather have Guillorme as my utility guy.
I prefer Guillorme myself tbh.
I'm a Yankees fan (I'll defer to you guys on the douchey part). For a team with a bankroll like the Mets, I'd say 1 year is a very worthwhile risk to take.
The upside/downside equation of that signing makes perfect sense IMO.
Thank you bigbluehoya. Dave in Hoboken, who I like as a poster, is a huge Yankees fan and he was saying that Sevy was shot and that the Mets signing him was indicative of a decision by a poorly run organization. I am not sure if Yankee fans are aware of the Stearns hire and if that changes the perception or not.
This has a 2009, 2018 feel to it thus far.
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Talk about a random pull
“ Personally, I'd bring in a quality utility man with 3b experience (a Joey Wendle type) and let Baty/Mauricio battle it out for 3b.”
You be Kreskin Dan! lol
Seriously though, is Wendle that much of an upgrade over Guillorme? Personally, I'd rather have Guillorme as my utility guy.
This has less to do with the utility, last man on the bench.
Than the potential starting players earning minimum wage.
Which allows big money signings elsewhere.
BIG picture. Just like the Severino signing.
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“ Personally, I'd bring in a quality utility man with 3b experience (a Joey Wendle type) and let Baty/Mauricio battle it out for 3b.”
You be Kreskin Dan! lol
Seriously though, is Wendle that much of an upgrade over Guillorme? Personally, I'd rather have Guillorme as my utility guy.
This has less to do with the utility, last man on the bench.
Than the potential starting players earning minimum wage.
Which allows big money signings elsewhere.
BIG picture. Just like the Severino signing.
Guillorme would have cost just about the same. Is Wendle better? I think not.
Good post.
guillorme (rightfully) probably wants a bigger opportunity, even if he needs to compete for it, than the mets can give him if they are committed to playing mauricio and baty.
signing wendle is an endorsement of those guys playing a lot, and he's not an impediment to that.
i think guillorme is a similar and probably better player, but at age 29 and having never made much money over his career it would only be natural that he's not happy with an end of bench role. i would be surprised if he doesnt find a bottom division team who will let him play almost every day between SS and 2b and if he does that he can make himself some real money this time next year.
guillorme (rightfully) probably wants a bigger opportunity, even if he needs to compete for it, than the mets can give him if they are committed to playing mauricio and baty.
signing wendle is an endorsement of those guys playing a lot, and he's not an impediment to that.
i think guillorme is a similar and probably better player, but at age 29 and having never made much money over his career it would only be natural that he's not happy with an end of bench role. i would be surprised if he doesnt find a bottom division team who will let him play almost every day between SS and 2b and if he does that he can make himself some real money this time next year.
Fair enough. Excellent points regarding LG wanting a bigger role and more $$$ (even though he kinda sucks, lol). Wendle being more willing to play this utility role (remember Keith Miller from back in the day? lol) and his clubhouse leadership do stand out too.
This is an end of the bench position. You can debate the players, but this was a much better, well thought out puzzle piece fit. Some puzzles stick together better with a little glue.
Guillorme has made about $4m in his first 6 years, now a FA.
this is kind of a now or never time for him. at 29 if he can have a good year this year or next year in a more full time role, he will have a chance to cash in on a contract that doubles his career earnings.
jace peterson got a 2x5m last offseason off a 2 fwar age 32 season where he played 113 games in MIL and posted a rc comparable to guillormes career average playing a +DRS 3b/2b.
i was surprised they non-tendered guillorme, even more surprised when they paid 2m for wendle, but my guess is they just wanted to do right by a guy who had been in the org for over a decade and was blocked here.
This is an end of the bench position. You can debate the players, but this was a much better, well thought out puzzle piece fit. Some puzzles stick together better with a little glue.
i think some of the motivation behind this move is similar to cohen's press conference vote of support for eppler/buck. its a small thing on paper but one that sends a message to an entire organization (and more importantly the agent community) the mets are talent friendly.
When someone invokes your name right before saying you’ve changed baseball, that’s worth taking notice. When other sources impressed with your work furthering the sport’s collective understanding of pitching mechanics confirm your impact, that gets you put high on the list of intriguing people in baseball.
“He basically brought the concept of throwing workload as it’s calculated today to baseball,” said one independent contractor who works with teams.
But it’s not only his detailed knowledge of biomechanics that fuels respect for Hansen.
“Ben brings ideas to life,” said an executive who has worked with him. “He’s truly got a knack for sparking innovative fire. While he’s brilliant technically, his ability to make people across all departments feel heard and valued is equally impressive.”
Having worked with Intel (on three-dimensional markerless motion capture technology) and Motus (on wearable technology), Hansen understands the biomechanics space inside and out and seems to inspire those around him.
Unfortunately, it's not that simple. He didn't have "an injury" that explains his struggles. He's been injury prone since 2019 (multiple lat, oblique issues) but this isn't as simple as "well, if he's over the oblique strain" because that doesn't really explain WHY he's struggled. He hasn't had the same issue every time.
add that with mendoza and it makes sense.
for the comparable price i think id prefer a quintana type, but then again he got hurt for the first half last year so its not like theres no risk there either. pitchers break.
id be surprised if they dont add at least 2 more SP at which point there's almost no risk carrying a severino as your 5th sp with megill/vasil/butto/luchessi still as org depth. he could even end up their 6th sp if they go full 6 man.
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If that checks out, I can see why they feel that the year after his return, is when he gets back into top form.
Unfortunately, it's not that simple. He didn't have "an injury" that explains his struggles. He's been injury prone since 2019 (multiple lat, oblique issues) but this isn't as simple as "well, if he's over the oblique strain" because that doesn't really explain WHY he's struggled. He hasn't had the same issue every time.
agree. the injuries are equally concerning with the 2023 performance. he has 2 big obstacles to overcome, not 1. if each were 50-50 on their own, that means hitting both is just 25%. not great odds.
to get a quintana for the same price like last year maybe they would have needed to wait patiently though, and presumably they like severino's upside enough that they didnt want to do that.
the vibe seems to be that they will sign enough other guys that this wont carry much risk but im with you in the sense that it feels like syndergaard/harvey once they were past their expiration dates.
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If that checks out, I can see why they feel that the year after his return, is when he gets back into top form.
Unfortunately, it's not that simple. He didn't have "an injury" that explains his struggles. He's been injury prone since 2019 (multiple lat, oblique issues) but this isn't as simple as "well, if he's over the oblique strain" because that doesn't really explain WHY he's struggled. He hasn't had the same issue every time.
agree. the injuries are equally concerning with the 2023 performance. he has 2 big obstacles to overcome, not 1. if each were 50-50 on their own, that means hitting both is just 25%. not great odds.
to get a quintana for the same price like last year maybe they would have needed to wait patiently though, and presumably they like severino's upside enough that they didnt want to do that.
the vibe seems to be that they will sign enough other guys that this wont carry much risk but im with you in the sense that it feels like syndergaard/harvey once they were past their expiration dates.
Close to zero risk (obviously, the "risk" is how reliant they are on him and how they could impact the rest of the team ie bullpen) but very low overall risk and I'm not even "hating" on the signing at all but if it were as simple as "if his knee is healthy he should be very good", he likely isn't settling for 1 year 13 million.
The fact he still was throwing hard is obviously a positive, but also is something of a red flag as regaining bite/movement is generally much harder than a guy pitching through injury finding his velocity tick up again once healthy.
I'd be MORE confident if this were a pitcher with a recent track record of health who had a major injury he was coming back from. This one is more ambiguous. But I can confidently say they will add at least 2 more SPers.
If the signing is a bust, it won't sting for long and it won't stop you from anything else. If the Mets were flush with pitching, maybe a different story about the opportunity cost of those innings.
But hopefully for you guys, when the hot stove is all over, he's slotting as a #3 or better yet #4. Not many #4s out there with that type of ceiling and experience.
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and we are linked to Severino and Joey Wendle?
I understand we are in on Yamamoto and we had 2 aggressive off seasons but this feels like we are not being aggressive. I’m sure I’ll deservedly get crap but it’s frustrating. This feels like a step back and Cohen’s money is not even going to get this team out of the doldrums. We are the Jets of mlb.
yes you should get crap and you should back away from the keyboard, take a breath, and be patient.
ooh, I like it Pjac
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If the signing is a bust, it won't sting for long and it won't stop you from anything else. If the Mets were flush with pitching, maybe a different story about the opportunity cost of those innings.
But hopefully for you guys, when the hot stove is all over, he's slotting as a #3 or better yet #4. Not many #4s out there with that type of ceiling and experience.
very fair take. hard to not have some betances vibes for met fans, but the big difference here is the velocity is still there. that is different than syndergaard, harvey, and betances and gives this a chance. also it's not the wilponzis selling this as an ace, it's cohen who we know doesnt hesitate to outspend his mistakes.
i dont hate law's take in that if severino is a good BP conversion option, that's a great fallback. so i see value in law's opinion of him if he is right about that.
i wanted (and would still like) lugo as a 5th/6th sp for that type of flexibility, if severino can do that on a 1 year deal at a comparable price that's good.
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liked Eno's take (as usual). Liked this move more than the Lance Lynn/Gibson/Flaherty types, his actual performance will likely never be what he was in 2019 but the underlying stuff is good enough to still have some hope he's a quality SPer. Keith Law obviously is less optimistic.
i dont hate law's take in that if severino is a good BP conversion option, that's a great fallback. so i see value in law's opinion of him if he is right about that.
i wanted (and would still like) lugo as a 5th/6th sp for that type of flexibility, if severino can do that on a 1 year deal at a comparable price that's good.
I should have been more clear, I think Law is less optimistic that Severino has a reasonable shot of being a good MLB *SPer* again, he seemed to believe he could be a good RPer.
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liked Eno's take (as usual). Liked this move more than the Lance Lynn/Gibson/Flaherty types, his actual performance will likely never be what he was in 2019 but the underlying stuff is good enough to still have some hope he's a quality SPer. Keith Law obviously is less optimistic.
i dont hate law's take in that if severino is a good BP conversion option, that's a great fallback. so i see value in law's opinion of him if he is right about that.
i wanted (and would still like) lugo as a 5th/6th sp for that type of flexibility, if severino can do that on a 1 year deal at a comparable price that's good.
I should have been more clear, I think Law is less optimistic that Severino has a reasonable shot of being a good MLB *SPer* again, he seemed to believe he could be a good RPer.
right, i have no idea how they view severino, clearly he will attempt to start first, but in their minds they may view him as one of the best late game options on the market that's gettable on a 1 year deal. robertson or chapman may not get much less than he just got.
Last 4 starts, he gave up a total of 6 runs. So a good trend there towards the end. Also brought down his ERA from a high of 8.06 in August. 4 starts with 7 or more ER. 2 of those games against Baltimore. (Was he tipping his pitches, and they figured it out? Or do they just have his number)
Definitely have to have a plan B if he flunks, even if it is just pulling him early when he clearly doesn't have it that day, or moving him to the pen.
We've announced several additions to our front office: Eduardo Brizuela, VP & special assistant to the president of baseball operations; Andy Green, senior VP, player development; Kris Gross, VP, amateur scouting.
-Rosenthal says the Marlins are open to moving a SP but not Luzardo or Garrett
-Seattle could be open to moving a SP for offensive help (McNeil? He didn’t suggest McNeil, but DiPoto mentioned 2B and the Mets don’t really have other position players that would both start for Seattle AND possibly be available on the Mets side aka Alonso/Nimmo.
Think Miami would take Marte back if we ate 7M?, maybe get AJ Puk out of it. Marte could be a good influence for Jazz too
Also, is it crazy to think that a McNeil trade would signal the end of the Alonso era?
Where they signed him to a shorter, but good BP arm dollar amount
Not bad for a sixth man. Very fair
"Ladies and gentlemen, Mets fans, today is a day of celebration for our beloved team! I'm thrilled to announce that we have successfully secured the talents of the one and only Luis Severino! Yes, you heard it right – Luis Severino is now a New York Met!"
The room erupts in applause as Wilpon continues, "Not many teams can boast the addition of a seasoned All-Star, and at the prime age of 30, Severino brings a wealth of experience and skill to our pitching staff. This is a game-changer for the Mets, and we couldn't be more excited about what he'll bring to the mound."
As questions from the reporters start pouring in, one curious journalist asks about the potential signing of Japanese ace Yoshinobu Yamamoto.
Wilpon chuckles and responds, "Ah, the hot stove is always burning, isn't it? While we've been exploring various options to further strengthen our rotation, I must admit that with Luis Severino now on board, along with the likes of Kodai Senga, Jose Quintana, and the promising Tylor Megill, we've got quite the pitching arsenal. As much as we appreciate the talent and potential of Yoshinobu Yamamoto, we want to ensure that we don't overcrowd our rotation, especially with David Peterson's anticipated return at mid-season. We have to make strategic choices to keep the balance and maintain the synergy within the team."
The room buzzes with excitement and anticipation for the upcoming season as Wilpon concludes, "So, Mets fans, get ready for an incredible season ahead! We're building something special here, and with Luis Severino leading our rotation, the future looks bright for the New York Mets!"
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Mets owner Jeff Wilpon stands before a crowd of eager reporters, a wide grin on his face.
Wilpon chuckles and responds, "Ah, the hot stove is always burning, isn't it? While we've been exploring various options to further strengthen our rotation, I must admit that with Luis Severino now on board, along with the likes of Kodai Senga, Jose Quintana, and the promising Tylor Megill, we've got quite the pitching arsenal. As much as we appreciate the talent and potential of Yoshinobu Yamamoto, we want to ensure that we don't overcrowd our rotation, especially with David Peterson's anticipated return at mid-season. We have to make strategic choices to keep the balance and maintain the synergy within the team."
The room buzzes with excitement and anticipation for the upcoming season as Wilpon concludes, "So, Mets fans, get ready for an incredible season ahead! We're building something special here, and with Luis Severino leading our rotation, the future looks bright for the New York Mets!"
This is pure go,d 😂
Wouldn’t hurt to overpay by a few dollars on a ton of AAAA, minor league deals. Without taking up off-season slots too ;)
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So updated @mets have 30 on their 40 man (once these 2 moves are finalized) and yet still have multiple players on the 40 man who could be removed if need be. Plenty of holes but also plenty of room for adds. Guys like Zack Short, Reed Garrett, SRF, Phil Bickford remain so if Stearns wants to go wild with smaller deals he can.
Wouldn’t hurt to overpay by a few dollars on a ton of AAAA, minor league deals. Without taking up off-season slots too ;)
anyone in particular you like that would fit that mold?
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So updated @mets have 30 on their 40 man (once these 2 moves are finalized) and yet still have multiple players on the 40 man who could be removed if need be. Plenty of holes but also plenty of room for adds. Guys like Zack Short, Reed Garrett, SRF, Phil Bickford remain so if Stearns wants to go wild with smaller deals he can.
Wouldn’t hurt to overpay by a few dollars on a ton of AAAA, minor league deals. Without taking up off-season slots too ;)
anyone in particular you like that would fit that mold?
nick senzel-ecki
might be well... short. With the addition of Wendle @mets
have Lindor, Mauricio, Wendle + Acuña (who is on the 40 man) all of whom have extensive SS experience. Short is pushing 30 with a career 58 wRC+ as a big leaguer
Met with Steinbrenner, “we had a good conversation, we hugged in the end, Steinbrenner told me he understood my position, my situation, it was a tough decision to go to Mets, the Yankees were dealing with a luxury tax issue, Steinbrenner offered me a 1-year deal, but I passed since Mets had presented a multi-year contract.”
“At first, I did not understand New York. I was told not to go to the Mets. Mets were not a priority. Yankees were ‘by far’ a priority. In New York it didn’t matter who you were, you’ll get your boo’s like if it was a shower after a game.”
“I didn’t understand, these guys sign me for 7 years, and these fans will boo you, I didn’t understand why. My wife told me It wasn’t personal. The same fan who boos you wants a photo after the game. My wife told me it’s not personal, it’s part of the culture. I thought this is some culture.”
Hit a homerun one day, didn’t want to come out for the curtain call. “Julio Franco told me to go out, I said no. I’m loyal, if you’re with me and I’m with you, I’m with you during the good and the bad. They’re with me now but what about later when I strike out? More boos? No, I’m not going out. I was upset, Julio told me ‘Carlito go out, go out, it’s going to change’ then he forced me out, and I took a quick curtain call, looking down, and came back in. Reporters asked me why and I said why, you have to support me during the bad and the good, you can’t support me during the good and not the bad, I don’t think that’s right.”
Difference between Mets and Yanks … “during my time with the Mets, not comparing them to now, but when I played with them. They currently have a new ownership and are trying to change the culture. When I played with the Mets, I felt they didn’t have an identity. We were a team that was looking to compete with the Yankees, I felt like that was a lack of focus, the Yankees didn’t play in the National League, they played in the American League. Why do we want to compete with the Yankees when we should be competing with the Dodgers? Understand? We didn’t have that focus. That came from the top to the bottom. We were a team that reacted too much to negative news. For example, I would get to the stadium and I had to answer a question about gossip that had nothing to do with baseball. I had to focus on whoever was on the mound, Kevin Brown, or whoever. But now I have to respond to rumors and gossip. It was an organization very much into gossip. Gossip would make it to the clubhouse and it became a distraction. For example, you go to a meeting with the manager, general manager, team owner, and the person in charge of the media, and you. And you have a private meeting, and the next day the meeting is in the papers. It wasn’t me, then who leaked it? How do you trust that circle? You get to a point where you want to get away from that. Only to find out it was an ‘anonymous source,’ when reporters would come to me with an ‘anonymous source’ I would ask them for names. No name? Then you get no comment or response from me. The gossip just never ends. There were no issues in the clubhouse between the players, it was something that would come from above. I had to be very careful how I spoke and answered questions.”
“If I was asked about Reyes, I would say, ‘Reyes plays with injuries, with pain, in good and bad, when he’s sick, I appreciate his effort, his effort is what’s important. You know where reporters are going with their line of questions and you get tired of it.”
On Willie Randolph… “Willie was our manager, Willie had a philosophy where he told us, ‘If you guys need a day off, just come to my office, talk to me, and no problem, you’ll have your day off.’ Carlos Delgado was at the hospital one night, his wife had given birth, Carlos spent a complicated night in the hospital, he got no sleep, we have a day game and he tells me, ‘brother I’m dead’ I told him to go speak to Willie. Willie takes him out of the lineup, after the game he’s asked why Delgado was not in the lineup, Willie says, ‘Oh he came to me and asked me for the day off’ So I didn’t understand why Willie would say that. If you’re asked that question, just say ‘he deserves a day off, he plays every day’ instead it was ‘he came, and asked me for a day off’ then the reporters started to look at the pitcher that day and his numbers against Delgado, Delgado’s numbers weren’t good against him, and they tried to create a negative story on Delgado. After that, practically no player went to Willie’s office to ask for a day off. We could be dead tired, we saw it as a breach of trust. I told him, Willie don’t worry about me, I’ll play every day, until the day you want to give me a day off because you want to, things changed after that, everything changed.”
“When I had my accident in center field with Mike Cameron. I called my wife and told her I had an accident while playing the outfield, I was going to the hospital, but I was ok. I made that same phone call about 30 times, so my wife went crazy and called the trainer. At the hospital they asked me questions like my name, if I’m married, address, date of birth, age. I didn’t know my date of birth. They asked me my age and I took off a couple of years. The trainer told the doctor my real age. Until I answered correctly, they wouldn’t release me. So, I started looking up my date of birth and address, I started to memorize the answers until I answered the questions correctly and was released. Under current concussion protocol, I wouldn’t have played the rest of the year. The rest of the year I played with headaches, dizziness, I would wake up and lose my balance. I missed three days because of my desire to play, my desire to be there.”
“I had pain in my knees, when I would walk it was like a spike in my knee. In spring training, I was looking at the rookies run the field, and I had doubts if I would ever be able to do that again. After my surgery I had to shop around for knee braces, I tried several until I found one that worked for me. I would feel less pain. From 2009 to 2017 I played with pain in my knees. Every game there was a moment where I would feel slight pain my knee. You know when I stopped feeling that pain? When I retired. I would wake up looking for that pain and it was simply gone.”
Asked about going above the Mets to have surgery… “bro it wasn’t like that, that’s the gossip I told you about. As a player if you get hurt, you have the right to look for second opinion. The Met doctor told me to my face, and my wife, ‘Carlos, I don’t know what else I can do for your knee’ So I go see Steadman, the knee specialist in Colorado. The Met doctor gave Steadman permission to perform my operation. If they don’t give permission, I can’t have the operation. They all signed off on the documents. I wake up in the hospital, I turn to ESPN, and I hear, ‘Carlos Beltran is suspended without pay’ it was a disaster. I get to Spring training, the press, the owner, the owner’s son. I was frustrated. I did what I had to do which was have surgery. The Met doctor had given me permission, I didn’t understand, I was frustrated. The whole thing was unfair. I rehabbed, came back, and when I was told I was going to be traded I didn’t think twice about it. I didn’t feel good at all about being there. I was fed up of being there, fed up of the gossip, I wanted out of that atmosphere. I was traded to San Francisco.”
“When I got to the Yankees there was never any gossip like with the Mets. It was an organization with a lot of championships. More structure. They don’t respond much to the press. They are after a mission. They’re not distracted. Us as Mets would get distracted. We would be doing ok, then something would happen, and we would go off course to solve this issue, and while you’re solving that issue everyone else is heading forward. With the Yankees there’s no loss of focus.”
So glad those owners are gone, not sure the culture has completely changed yet. I wish Beltran was manager.
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Spoke to Bernie Williams about signing with the Yankees and taking his center field spot. “Bernie was a professional, Bernie was at the end of his career.”
Met with Steinbrenner, “we had a good conversation, we hugged in the end, Steinbrenner told me he understood my position, my situation, it was a tough decision to go to Mets, the Yankees were dealing with a luxury tax issue, Steinbrenner offered me a 1-year deal, but I passed since Mets had presented a multi-year contract.”
“At first, I did not understand New York. I was told not to go to the Mets. Mets were not a priority. Yankees were ‘by far’ a priority. In New York it didn’t matter who you were, you’ll get your boo’s like if it was a shower after a game.”
“I didn’t understand, these guys sign me for 7 years, and these fans will boo you, I didn’t understand why. My wife told me It wasn’t personal. The same fan who boos you wants a photo after the game. My wife told me it’s not personal, it’s part of the culture. I thought this is some culture.”
Hit a homerun one day, didn’t want to come out for the curtain call. “Julio Franco told me to go out, I said no. I’m loyal, if you’re with me and I’m with you, I’m with you during the good and the bad. They’re with me now but what about later when I strike out? More boos? No, I’m not going out. I was upset, Julio told me ‘Carlito go out, go out, it’s going to change’ then he forced me out, and I took a quick curtain call, looking down, and came back in. Reporters asked me why and I said why, you have to support me during the bad and the good, you can’t support me during the good and not the bad, I don’t think that’s right.”
Difference between Mets and Yanks … “during my time with the Mets, not comparing them to now, but when I played with them. They currently have a new ownership and are trying to change the culture. When I played with the Mets, I felt they didn’t have an identity. We were a team that was looking to compete with the Yankees, I felt like that was a lack of focus, the Yankees didn’t play in the National League, they played in the American League. Why do we want to compete with the Yankees when we should be competing with the Dodgers? Understand? We didn’t have that focus. That came from the top to the bottom. We were a team that reacted too much to negative news. For example, I would get to the stadium and I had to answer a question about gossip that had nothing to do with baseball. I had to focus on whoever was on the mound, Kevin Brown, or whoever. But now I have to respond to rumors and gossip. It was an organization very much into gossip. Gossip would make it to the clubhouse and it became a distraction. For example, you go to a meeting with the manager, general manager, team owner, and the person in charge of the media, and you. And you have a private meeting, and the next day the meeting is in the papers. It wasn’t me, then who leaked it? How do you trust that circle? You get to a point where you want to get away from that. Only to find out it was an ‘anonymous source,’ when reporters would come to me with an ‘anonymous source’ I would ask them for names. No name? Then you get no comment or response from me. The gossip just never ends. There were no issues in the clubhouse between the players, it was something that would come from above. I had to be very careful how I spoke and answered questions.”
“If I was asked about Reyes, I would say, ‘Reyes plays with injuries, with pain, in good and bad, when he’s sick, I appreciate his effort, his effort is what’s important. You know where reporters are going with their line of questions and you get tired of it.”
On Willie Randolph… “Willie was our manager, Willie had a philosophy where he told us, ‘If you guys need a day off, just come to my office, talk to me, and no problem, you’ll have your day off.’ Carlos Delgado was at the hospital one night, his wife had given birth, Carlos spent a complicated night in the hospital, he got no sleep, we have a day game and he tells me, ‘brother I’m dead’ I told him to go speak to Willie. Willie takes him out of the lineup, after the game he’s asked why Delgado was not in the lineup, Willie says, ‘Oh he came to me and asked me for the day off’ So I didn’t understand why Willie would say that. If you’re asked that question, just say ‘he deserves a day off, he plays every day’ instead it was ‘he came, and asked me for a day off’ then the reporters started to look at the pitcher that day and his numbers against Delgado, Delgado’s numbers weren’t good against him, and they tried to create a negative story on Delgado. After that, practically no player went to Willie’s office to ask for a day off. We could be dead tired, we saw it as a breach of trust. I told him, Willie don’t worry about me, I’ll play every day, until the day you want to give me a day off because you want to, things changed after that, everything changed.”
“When I had my accident in center field with Mike Cameron. I called my wife and told her I had an accident while playing the outfield, I was going to the hospital, but I was ok. I made that same phone call about 30 times, so my wife went crazy and called the trainer. At the hospital they asked me questions like my name, if I’m married, address, date of birth, age. I didn’t know my date of birth. They asked me my age and I took off a couple of years. The trainer told the doctor my real age. Until I answered correctly, they wouldn’t release me. So, I started looking up my date of birth and address, I started to memorize the answers until I answered the questions correctly and was released. Under current concussion protocol, I wouldn’t have played the rest of the year. The rest of the year I played with headaches, dizziness, I would wake up and lose my balance. I missed three days because of my desire to play, my desire to be there.”
“I had pain in my knees, when I would walk it was like a spike in my knee. In spring training, I was looking at the rookies run the field, and I had doubts if I would ever be able to do that again. After my surgery I had to shop around for knee braces, I tried several until I found one that worked for me. I would feel less pain. From 2009 to 2017 I played with pain in my knees. Every game there was a moment where I would feel slight pain my knee. You know when I stopped feeling that pain? When I retired. I would wake up looking for that pain and it was simply gone.”
Asked about going above the Mets to have surgery… “bro it wasn’t like that, that’s the gossip I told you about. As a player if you get hurt, you have the right to look for second opinion. The Met doctor told me to my face, and my wife, ‘Carlos, I don’t know what else I can do for your knee’ So I go see Steadman, the knee specialist in Colorado. The Met doctor gave Steadman permission to perform my operation. If they don’t give permission, I can’t have the operation. They all signed off on the documents. I wake up in the hospital, I turn to ESPN, and I hear, ‘Carlos Beltran is suspended without pay’ it was a disaster. I get to Spring training, the press, the owner, the owner’s son. I was frustrated. I did what I had to do which was have surgery. The Met doctor had given me permission, I didn’t understand, I was frustrated. The whole thing was unfair. I rehabbed, came back, and when I was told I was going to be traded I didn’t think twice about it. I didn’t feel good at all about being there. I was fed up of being there, fed up of the gossip, I wanted out of that atmosphere. I was traded to San Francisco.”
“When I got to the Yankees there was never any gossip like with the Mets. It was an organization with a lot of championships. More structure. They don’t respond much to the press. They are after a mission. They’re not distracted. Us as Mets would get distracted. We would be doing ok, then something would happen, and we would go off course to solve this issue, and while you’re solving that issue everyone else is heading forward. With the Yankees there’s no loss of focus.”
wow that is amazing. i feel somewhat compelled to say theres stuff in there ive never really heard an athlete admit, or maybe only very rarely?
the wilponzi stuff we all knew but hearing him articulate the "gossip culture" is so dead on. that was the jeff wilpon nelson doubleday warned of from start to end (w/ the jlo/arod nonsense).
the willie randolph story and concussion/knee surgery are next level though.
thank you for sharing that dan. if anyone ever compares cohen as an owner to wilponzis again they should have to write out that entire story on a blackboard 1000000x.
-Nick Senzel career vs. lefties .287/.334/.460 (for example) is probably a better use of a roster spot than Short
That f'ing ownership pisses me off. However didn't Beltran agree to manage the Mets when they were still owned by the Wilpons? Or was the Steve Cohen purchase already rumored.
In any event, it's disappointing and eye opening to read that. I am wondering if this was the same attitude in the late 80s when Doubleday was part owner.
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https://nypost.com/2023/11/30/sports/where-yankees-stand-in-juan-soto-yoshinobu-yamamoto-pursuit/. Yankees feel pretty decent about their chances for Yamamoto and Soto but here’s why the odds for them should be better for Soto
soto is estimated to get 33m in arb.
yamamoto is probably getting close to 30m per.
so yankees are basically saying they are all in on a $300m+ payroll (which is +20m over their previous high) before they even fill out the rest of their roster.
from the article:
But they could talk about pitchers Michael King and Clarke Schmidt, and/or pitching prospect Drew Thorpe (they prefer to keep King and Thorpe).
@dan - am i crazy or does a king/schmidt/thorpe return seem unfathomably low for soto? i know the pads want pitchers, but wouldnt something like mauricio + gilbert or acuna + any pitcher in met system + megill blow that offer out of the water?
https://nypost.com/2023/11/30/sports/where-yankees-stand-in-juan-soto-yoshinobu-yamamoto-pursuit/ - ( New Window )
if they get him for a song it's a failure by mets to not at least get the price up.
if competing is what pads want (and i agree it's probably a big factor) pay down marte to free and that's all of a sudden a great free lotto ticket to that end. i have no idea what his odds are of being healthy again, but they aren't zero so if he's free why not?
we've heard before the marlins like baty a ton and have offered some of their pitching for him before - send them baty (or mauricio, or vientos) for some pitching SD can plug in now.
Soto is only 1 year older than Baty. if you can get soto for Baty + some other prospects you do it every single time.
But
When Yankees are going hard this offseason started to bubble a week or two ago. I was told with an eye roll. “Here we go again”
Wrap up was Yanks will be in on Soto, and won’t be willing to give up X, Y, and Z. But secondary names will float that aren’t even fathomable in a Soto trade. Apparently that’s their MO to bump up their prospects in trades 3-9 months down the line.
This doesn’t come from me, and have no clue how true it is. But hearing these names, I did have to laugh.
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So updated @mets have 30 on their 40 man (once these 2 moves are finalized) and yet still have multiple players on the 40 man who could be removed if need be. Plenty of holes but also plenty of room for adds. Guys like Zack Short, Reed Garrett, SRF, Phil Bickford remain so if Stearns wants to go wild with smaller deals he can.
Wouldn’t hurt to overpay by a few dollars on a ton of AAAA, minor league deals. Without taking up off-season slots too ;)
anyone in particular you like that would fit that mold?
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That f'ing ownership pisses me off. However didn't Beltran agree to manage the Mets when they were still owned by the Wilpons? Or was the Steve Cohen purchase already rumored.
In any event, it's disappointing and eye opening to read that. I am wondering if this was the same attitude in the late 80s when Doubleday was part owner.
Man. That Beltran hiring/firing fiasco stings even more now after reading that. The fact he dealt with all of that and gave it one more chance and he got burned again. Awful.
Really hope to see him on the sidelines again down the road.
yamamoto 💰💰💰
montgomery > e-rod/snell
the rest:
if they really want him it's not hard to envison something like 10x275m for yamamoto.
https://sny.tv/articles/what-about-the-mets-yoshinobu-yamamoto-juan-soto - ( New Window )
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When Yankees are going hard this offseason started to bubble a week or two ago. I was told with an eye roll. “Here we go again”
Wrap up was Yanks will be in on Soto, and won’t be willing to give up X, Y, and Z. But secondary names will float that aren’t even fathomable in a Soto trade. Apparently that’s their MO to bump up their prospects in trades 3-9 months down the line.
This doesn’t come from me, and have no clue how true it is. But hearing these names, I did have to laugh.
it's funny, id been trying to think of reasons to be so vocal about a pursuit and that's as good as any ive come up with.
If Padres want MLB ready pitching as reported, I try to get pitchers from the Marlins to flip for Soto. Agreed the Mets could put together a better deal than that.
Very wild. 2021: 52 innings, 35 walks, 24 HBP. 2022 injured. Last year: 17 innings, 8 walks and 5 HBP. In other words, the perfect pitcher for when the Mets are up or down big vs the Braves. Plunk a few without even trying
He will be on the 40 man. Major league deal. One year.
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Mauricio at DH and batting 2nd in his 1st LIDOM game of the season.
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I’m not privy to where this came from and cannot validate every assertion (like the Mets doctor knowing about the Steadman knee surgery). But reading that generally sounds like how things operated.
says for a long time he had a well known tip on his pitches the whole league knew. he knew about it and knows he needs to clean it up but habits are hard to break.
says his fb lost some rise and his slider is down a few mph, but he still did a lot of things well last year. first pitch strikes and mechanics good. just couldnt put people away with 2 strikes and gave up too much hard contact on the FB since it didnt have the rise. thinks its a good signing though.
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Mauricio at DH and batting 2nd in his 1st LIDOM game of the season.
0-4 with a walk.
This is reminding me of the A-Rod 2000-01 off season
I remember exactly where I was when Ed Coleman told Mike & the Mad Dog the Mets were out on A-Rod!
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This is reminding me of the A-Rod 2000-01 off season
I remember exactly where I was when Ed Coleman told Mike & the Mad Dog the Mets were out on A-Rod!
a-rod was 25 and wanted to play for mets, they were cheap so instead they criticized him in public (24+1). there hasnt been any speculation ohtani wants to be in ny (either team) so moving on isnt the same as not trying.
there isnt an writer who hasnt speculated the mets to being willing to spend the most on this year's 25 year old star who is open to playing in ny.
I refuse to comment on this any further because you seem like a good dude, but that is one of the most moronic things I've read a Mets fan say on here it's a pretty high bar.
no offense.
Mets aren't exactly in what I would call a clear "win" window.
Mets can allocate their dollars elsewhere.
I've always felt Ohtani would be a weird fit after his injury.
How many things have you heard leak FROM the Mets this offseason. So, why would this be the first leak?
And PJ - your comment "it's a pretty high bar" is absolutely hysterical!!
I refuse to comment on this any further because you seem like a good dude, but that is one of the most moronic things I've read a Mets fan say on here it's a pretty high bar.
no offense.
Pj - ouch!!!
Again I post nonsense - even I don’t compare the situations - it did remind me of being on Udalll road in west Islip in the car when the Mets announced they were out - that’s where it ended. My posts have been missing a lot lately I get it. Today, Dec 1 is my birthday so I ask for a bit of slack from my BBI Mets brothers.
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on Ohtani reminds you of missing out on Arod?
I refuse to comment on this any further because you seem like a good dude, but that is one of the most moronic things I've read a Mets fan say on here it's a pretty high bar.
no offense.
Pj - ouch!!!
Again I post nonsense - even I don’t compare the situations - it did remind me of being on Udalll road in west Islip in the car when the Mets announced they were out - that’s where it ended. My posts have been missing a lot lately I get it. Today, Dec 1 is my birthday so I ask for a bit of slack from my BBI Mets brothers.
Happy Birthday man.
remember when Yanks signed Arod in 04 Mets signed Beltran in 05, and that was the wilpon era. Gotta Have faith
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I refuse to comment on this any further because you seem like a good dude, but that is one of the most moronic things I've read a Mets fan say on here it's a pretty high bar.
no offense.
Pj - ouch!!!
Again I post nonsense - even I don’t compare the situations - it did remind me of being on Udalll road in west Islip in the car when the Mets announced they were out - that’s where it ended. My posts have been missing a lot lately I get it. Today, Dec 1 is my birthday so I ask for a bit of slack from my BBI Mets brothers.
lol, no slack even needed.
I was crushed with the way Arod happened.
To me this off-season hinges on Yamamoto who is probably even less ten 50/50 right now. and if the Mets miss on Yamamoto I'd probably find a way to get under the luxury tax and reset. there just aren't enough ways to build a contender IMO - and I'm one who thinks you don't need an ace, you can win with 5 2's/3's if you know what I mean and a really strong bullpen with timely hitting and a good defense.
thankfully we can be pretty confident it will be better than whatever the wilponzis would have delivered. they probably would have offered some gratis nosebleeds against the A's in return for holding your grandma's birthday check "for safe keeping".
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on Ohtani reminds you of missing out on Arod?
I refuse to comment on this any further because you seem like a good dude, but that is one of the most moronic things I've read a Mets fan say on here it's a pretty high bar.
no offense.
Pj - ouch!!!
Again I post nonsense - even I don’t compare the situations - it did remind me of being on Udalll road in west Islip in the car when the Mets announced they were out - that’s where it ended. My posts have been missing a lot lately I get it. Today, Dec 1 is my birthday so I ask for a bit of slack from my BBI Mets brothers.
lol, no slack even needed.
I was crushed with the way Arod happened.
To me this off-season hinges on Yamamoto who is probably even less ten 50/50 right now. and if the Mets miss on Yamamoto I'd probably find a way to get under the luxury tax and reset. there just aren't enough ways to build a contender IMO - and I'm one who thinks you don't need an ace, you can win with 5 2's/3's if you know what I mean and a really strong bullpen with timely hitting and a good defense.
I want Yamamoto. Hell, I'd go 10 years, $300 million for him. But other pitchers out there. They could sign two other SP and have a nice rotation. Say one of Montgomery/Rodriguez, Senga, Quintana, Giolito, Severino
If he gets 10-12 years, I could easily see his contract approaching $300 million. You don't see 25 year old aces come on the market ever. Risk of that long a contract for any pitcher, but wouldn't be shocked with the competition if that's what it took
Quintana, Giolito (6.94 FIP), Severino (6.14 FIP)
are not reliable even as back of the rotation pitchers.
that's like bubble gum and duct tape and you'll still have a $300M payroll or whatever.
So, it's a domino effect for me. Yamamoto makes everyone better and also suggests to me it makes sense to go all in.
with those three as the back 3 of the rotation I feel like better off tearing it down - just my opinion
if i was guess right now it would be mets doing a 10x27m or something like that. and if you are willing to do that what's the different to cohen if it's 10x28, 10x29, or 10x30 if it wins the player?
re trades he expects at WM:
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Cease should go. Soto should go. Glasnow will go. Crew finally talking Burnes. Rays now talking Randy. Guards now talking Clase. It should be pretty active this offseason.
re mets and montgomery:
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Nothing close to my knowledge here. Like I’ve reported, the Mets REALLY like Jordan Montgomery. The 3 questions here:
1. Does he like the Mets as much as they like him?
2. Is he signing before or after Yamamoto?
3. How does their Yamamoto interest effect their Monty interest?
separately he seems to think mets get margot.
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on Ohtani reminds you of missing out on Arod?
I refuse to comment on this any further because you seem like a good dude, but that is one of the most moronic things I've read a Mets fan say on here it's a pretty high bar.
no offense.
Pj - ouch!!!
Again I post nonsense - even I don’t compare the situations - it did remind me of being on Udalll road in west Islip in the car when the Mets announced they were out - that’s where it ended. My posts have been missing a lot lately I get it. Today, Dec 1 is my birthday so I ask for a bit of slack from my BBI Mets brothers.
It's my pop's birthday too. Don't worry man. Go smoke a jay or have some eddies. You'll feel loosey goosey as possible afterwards, lol.
-Top bid on Yamamoto "almost certainly" will be at or over 300 including posting fee
- It's expected he will receive one (or more opt-out)
-Top bid on Yamamoto "almost certainly" will be at or over 300 including posting fee
- It's expected he will receive one (or more opt-out)
lets just keep fingers crossed LAD get ohtani.
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Happy Birthday!
Interesting. Both he and Adams are wild, but tough to hit.
Was Crick out all last year due to elbow inflammation? That's all I can find on an admittedly quick search
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Interesting. Both he and Adams are wild, but tough to hit.
Was Crick out all last year due to elbow inflammation? That's all I can find on an admittedly quick search
Opted out of a minor league deal in March and then didn’t sign with another team aka sat out the season
It's my pop's birthday too. Don't worry man. Go smoke a jay or have some eddies. You'll feel loosey goosey as possible afterwards, lol.
Hahaha Optimus. Maybe.
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Interesting. Both he and Adams are wild, but tough to hit.
Was Crick out all last year due to elbow inflammation? That's all I can find on an admittedly quick search
Opted out of a minor league deal in March and then didn’t sign with another team aka sat out the season
Thanks. Yeah, I saw that he opted out of the minor league deal, but looks like he had elbow inflammation in 2022. I was wondering if that continued in 2023, or if his not playing at all last year (not even the minors) had nothing to do with injury.
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Very excited for his stateside debut next year after what he showed in DSL!
What do you like about him? I know nothing about him, but looking at his numbers, he looks like a AAAA guy
good article on him from when he was traded last year - he only ended up getting 10 games in the big leagues.
These are all positive traits – so why isn’t Hummel a bigger deal? The short answer is a 65 wRC+ in 201 big league plate appearances. The longer, more in-depth answer starts with understanding that while Hummel has the qualities of a regular contributor, they never harmonized in his debut season. To wit: Upon contact, balls exited Hummel’s bat at consistently medium-high speeds, but seldom at the optimal angles. He hit fastballs well, but Hummel drove breaking balls and offspeed pitches into the ground with alarming frequency. And what’s exit velocity good for if supplied to a grounder? Pitchers are a smart bunch, and they caught on. Consider the relationship between the percentage of sliders Hummel saw and his rolling-average wOBA. It probably isn’t coincidence:
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yep dj stewart a decent example, though he'd had some more success at the mlb level.
the ground ball/exit velo stuff/launch angle sounds kind of vientos-ish too. does the hard things (hard contact) but hasnt quite figured out how to make the simpler adjustments for success.
why? He's 26 and under team control for a while.
I know last year he wasn't as lights out as 2022 and it doesn't really work for the Mets if he wants to close, but a back of the bullpen with a healthy Diaz and Clase would really shorten games.
That is the kind of creativity that would make me care a little less about missing on Yamamoto (if they do). or even more bullish on the move if they get Yamamoto (if they get him).
maybe this year's michael perez and hummel this years mendick.
assuming they continue to be out on ohtani, it would be almost impossible to spend $100m even if they wanted to. most likely they end up below last year's total payroll by at least a little.
obviously need other players to say yes, but i assume their plan A is something like:
$30m yamamoto
$15m-25m Monty or E-rod or Imanaga
$15m COF/DH
$20m to 3 or 4 rp
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Padres asking for King plus money for Juan Soto and Trent Grishman, per sources. Talks have stalled. Story up soon.
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I should say King plus as many as six prospects and money for Soto and Grisham.
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What could ultimately lead the Yankees and Padres closer to an agreement are talks centered around Clarke Schmidt and other prospects. Dominguez, volpe, peraza, wells, Torres currently not involved
Jasson Dominguez and Anthony Volpe are not involved in these talks, nor are Gleyber Torres, Austin Wells or Everson Periera, per sources.
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TL/DR: King, Thorpe, Brito, Vazquez. 1-2 more prospects and Cash is too much for Soto, Yankees believe. Yankees are not properly valuing Soto yet, Padres believe.
King >>> Megill
Thorpe = Tidwell? drafted pretty close to each other
Brito << Vasil
Vazquez = Jarvis?
i assume the reports mets not in it are accurate, but i think it's a mistake. boras can say whatever he wants, there is always a risk soto doesn't make it to UFA.
not having a comparable 'king' makes it tough but i would think there's some kind of 3rd team who could send them a king (miami) in return for one of their big league hitting prospects. even if it's baty, soto is only 1 year older than baty. its possibly 10 years of a HOF'er. who mashes in Citifield.
it's a risk hoping he gets there, or that he gets there without a prohibitive favorite elsewhere.
i get not wanting to gut the system for a rental but we might be waiting a long time for the next 25 year old HOF hitter to be on market.
@MarinoMLB
We are entering #LeverageSeason. One thing you’re hearing w/ Soto talks in recent reporting is that Padres believe Yanks offer reflect they think they are the only real team in the mix. Now reporting out that Blue Jays are in. Both sides trying to gain leverage here in talks.
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It makes sense for the Padres to engage Toronto on Soto. They need change and they need it fast. Toronto has guys they can offload of value in a potential deal. We’ll see where these talks and talks with other potential teams progress.
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TL/DR: King, Thorpe, Brito, Vazquez. 1-2 more prospects and Cash is too much for Soto, Yankees believe. Yankees are not properly valuing Soto yet, Padres believe.
King >>> Megill
Thorpe = Tidwell? drafted pretty close to each other
Brito << Vasil
Vazquez = Jarvis?
i assume the reports mets not in it are accurate, but i think it's a mistake. boras can say whatever he wants, there is always a risk soto doesn't make it to UFA.
not having a comparable 'king' makes it tough but i would think there's some kind of 3rd team who could send them a king (miami) in return for one of their big league hitting prospects. even if it's baty, soto is only 1 year older than baty. its possibly 10 years of a HOF'er. who mashes in Citifield.
Thorpe won MILB pitcher of the year. He's in another tier compared to Tidwell. Will be a top 50 prospect if not higher. Their pitching in general a lot better.
I think the Mets will miss on Yamomoto, will go into the season with Senga as #1, and won't add any starting caliber position players.
Pete extension will be the only thing that will be pushed as major move..which is cool, but fully expected and not really exciting.
Not a complaint here, just my gut. Looking forward to the season no matter what because I think the team is better than they played last year and not as far off as some in media are saying.
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it's a risk hoping he gets there, or that he gets there without a prohibitive favorite elsewhere.
i get not wanting to gut the system for a rental but we might be waiting a long time for the next 25 year old HOF hitter to be on market.
Yeah, I don't really understand not being in on him. I mean if you could trade Scherzer, Verlander, Canha, Pham for Soto wouldn't you have done it? Then why not the prospects you got for them?
-I’d call Seattle about Woo and offer McNeil+ (I’d be willing to give up a decent prospect with McNeil too). Very high on Woo. #2 starter upside
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with whatever healthy games he has left in his body id think he wants to be on a top contender, would imagine there's no great deal out there for him that's not tied to incentives.
if gourriel's defensive improvement in LF is legit, i think he's the best fit. they've seemed to like adding players with good whiff/k rates. his expected homers in citi would have been the same 27 he hit in AZ and over his career only 2 less than his actual total. he was worth 2 fwar year last year with his lowest BABIP too. his .281 babip was 34 points under his career average of .316 (and correspondingly his xba was 12 points higher than actual, so he had a career year even being unlucky). he also had his lowest avg exit velo year and 4th lowest barrel%.
it may be that he's even looking for a 1 year deal to try to earn a bigger deal if he thinks his game is on the upswing (which the under the hood stuff sort of implies there may be).
this is a cool new (to me at least) data viz on savant, it is interactive so if you click through it he only missed like 1 flyball that was categorized below 3 star difficulty (whatever that translates to, which id guess is above 60% catch probability) and 3 that were 3 star (40%?). doesn't make many or any 4/5 star plays but he got to the ones he was supposed to and has the positive value arm. in 2022 the story was similar but in prior years he was less reliable at the < 3 stars.
mlbtr has him for 4x54m, i think id try to juice the aav on a 1x15m w/ 2-3m incentives or something like that with a 2nd year at $15m or a player opt out.
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Free-agent reliever Joe Kelly and the Los Angeles Dodgers are “very close” to an agreement, according to sources familiar with the situation. All indications are that a deal will get done.
Would have been a nice add.
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Free-agent reliever Joe Kelly and the Los Angeles Dodgers are “very close” to an agreement, according to sources familiar with the situation. All indications are that a deal will get done.
im pretty surprised mets havent added at least 1 reliever so far since that market has had some movement. i didnt love the sevy signing but im glad they had the conviction to see something they liked and take a chance. they need 3 or 4 rp at least, hard to believe there arent 1 or 2 they really like and are worth getting aggressive on.
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Update: The Orioles are showing interest in Robert Stephenson, as the bullpen market has begun to move more rapidly. Baltimore is looking for an impact arm in Bautista’s absence.
both him and grisham (reverse splits) would be interesting salary dumps. though i think grisham obviously makes sense to nyy in a soto deal.
He’s a contact hitter with fringy power, reaching double-digit homers in the hitter-friendly KBO just twice in seven seasons, with 23 in 2022 as his high mark. He’s strong enough for doubles power but has to muscle up so much to get to over-the-fence power that it takes him out of his usual swing and approach. He’s a capable defender in centerfield but isn’t a burner and doesn’t have huge range, so he may end up in a corner in MLB. He’s the best hitter in Korea right now, and while the pitching he’s faced isn’t at the level of MLB pitching, he’s done everything you might reasonably ask a hitter to do in that environment, making a lot of hard contact and rarely swinging and missing, with some platoon split and not a ton of power."
Would love to get Paredes. Still has developing power as well. Wonder what they would want.
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Would love to get Paredes. Still has developing power as well. Wonder what they would want.
I only mention him because TB apparently is shopping him. Maybe take back Margot's $ as well if it makes the price lower. Parades won't be cheap either way (even with Margot) but he's the kind of player I would give up a lot for. 4 3b struck out less than him despite 31 homers.
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I haven't seen @mets connected but I have to believe Stearns will check in on Paredes, who is reportedly available. Only going to be 25 in 2024, cost will be high but very good young player signed through 2027 #Mets
Would love to get Paredes. Still has developing power as well. Wonder what they would want.
I only mention him because TB apparently is shopping him. Maybe take back Margot's $ as well if it makes the price lower. Parades won't be cheap either way (even with Margot) but he's the kind of player I would give up a lot for. 4 3b struck out less than him despite 31 homers.
Yup couldn't agree more. Baty and more I would do.
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The Yankees and Padres' trade talks are at a complete stalemate, with the Yankees saying the Padres' request of 7 players for All-Star outfielder Juan Soto is unrealistic:
Michael King
Clark Schmidt
Drew Thorpe
Randy Vazquez
Jhonny Brito
Two prospects
And taking CF Trent Grisham
i took a deeper look when GF mentioned Thorpe's year last year as significantly better than Tidwell and he does look pretty underrated (not being on top 100's).
King and Thorpe are 2 solid pieces the mets don't have, even if it seems like a near lock that King turns into a 29 year old pumpkin as soon as yankees deal him.
I do imagine they'd be able to get pieces like that from a 3rd team like Miami for Baty or Mauricio if they wished to.
paredes would be a good add but i also have to think the price is going to be close to as significant as soto, so not sure what the point is. his ceiling w/ the bat is probably lower than soto's floor. same age. different positions but mets have enough options at 3b that's not a big deal.
i think they are definitely light on soto's value (they have it less than Baty or Mauricio straight up)
but they also seem overly high on both king/schmidt whose values they also have as big enough to get soto straight up.
soto is a unique case so not sure there's an easy comp for him other than looking back at the betts trade and roughly matching or slightly exceeding that.
i think they are definitely light on soto's value (they have it less than Baty or Mauricio straight up)
but they also seem overly high on both king/schmidt whose values they also have as big enough to get soto straight up.
soto is a unique case so not sure there's an easy comp for him other than looking back at the betts trade and roughly matching or slightly exceeding that.
No disrespect intended but any site that regards Baty or Mauricio worth MORE than Soto clearly has limitations...
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Top prospect Jackson Chourio’s deal with the Milwaukee Brewers will be official today. It will guarantee eight years and $82 million with two club options that can max value at $142.5 million, sources tell ESPN. News on the 19-year-old at ESPN:
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though it also has the padres ask from the yankees worth 3x soto.
i think they are definitely light on soto's value (they have it less than Baty or Mauricio straight up)
but they also seem overly high on both king/schmidt whose values they also have as big enough to get soto straight up.
soto is a unique case so not sure there's an easy comp for him other than looking back at the betts trade and roughly matching or slightly exceeding that.
No disrespect intended but any site that regards Baty or Mauricio worth MORE than Soto clearly has limitations...
their formula is pretty simple statistically for MLB players:
price of war they produce
- cost of contract/years of control
= surplus value
they project soto as having 57m worth of value remaining under contract
his contract projects at 33m
so his surplus is 24m. pretty simple calculation for major leaguers with track records/contracts.
what isn't in the calculation is that he's a 25 year old unicorn and trading for him also has some level of impact on securing him long term beyond the 1 year. teams trading for him are going to want to sign him for 10+ potential prime years, so in theory you could project his surplus at $45m aav as 10m x12 years = 100+ (which is closer but higher to where pads are valuing him, not as a rental and not as a player with 3 years of cheap control, but as an expensive HOF'er who will be worth a near $500m contract)
btw their calculation on alonso based on what our expectations are for a trade seem accurate:
33m worth of value left
22m contract
11m surplus
11m is basically the value of a fringe top 5 prospect, which is probably about what is the reasonable price for alonso. soto's value is more in line with top prospects (his value is equal to acuna/gilbert, and normally a top rental is probably not bringing back more than 1 top prospect).
their young MLB player calculations are where i think things are total guesswork because you are making difficult projections on players like baty/mauricio/king and then multiplying those projections over 5 or 6 years of cheap control.
obviously that methodology is going to value years of cheap control significantly as a force multiplier. which teams do as well (especially for young players they really believe in).
i would imagine their prospect values are mostly derived from top 100 lists/prospect grades from fg, pipeline, ba, etc. so obviously these values arent going to be nearly as accurate as mlb players with real track records.
i think Preller says "baty works as a headliner but i need more because we both know you arent trading for soto just to keep him for 1 year".
i also think he directs him back to the Betts trade - i dont know what this evaluator would have said but id imagine:
verdugo was worth more than baty,
downs was a top 50 prospect at the time so he probably had a 20+ surplus value,
and they took on price $.
so that results in a trade of Baty + Acuna or Gilbert + another prospect + equivalent of taking on $16m/year of price's deal.
so that was probably closer to the 70+ surplus value deal the pads are asking of the yankees.
that type of package is right in the value ballpark of what they are asking of the yankees.
Their AFV numbers appear to be inflated.
Their AFV numbers appear to be inflated.
you can judge for yourself but it's basically their version of steamer or zips (which prove to be pretty reliable in aggregate, szymborksi actually just posted this evaluation of the 2023 zips projections the other day, spreads on pitchers/era+ was similar).
https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/valuing-major-leaguers - ( New Window )
Wade Miley back to Brewers on 1 year deal. I thought we might see him for the Mets on a 1 year given the Stearns connection.
Wade Miley back to Brewers on 1 year deal. I thought we might see him for the Mets on a 1 year given the Stearns connection.
Makes sense that these Japanese players would prefer the West coast. Stinks for us, though. Only way to get them is in a massive overpay.
2. doesn't think yankees will spend on both soto and yamamoto
also just tweeted this:
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Mets shopping list at winter meetings: an outfielder, free agent starting pitching and relief pitching.
@martinonyc
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Mets are still in on Yamamoto, but that won’t happen in Nashville.
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Yoshinobu Yamamoto is coming to the U.S. within the next week to meet with MLB teams. The Mets will be among those teams.
2. doesn't think yankees will spend on both soto and yamamoto
also just tweeted this:
Andy Martino
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Mets shopping list at winter meetings: an outfielder, free agent starting pitching and relief pitching.
Looking forward to the Mets getting started on any of the things on their shopping list. I’m tired of hearing about the Braves moves.
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1. thinks mets will be high $ on yamamoto
2. doesn't think yankees will spend on both soto and yamamoto
also just tweeted this:
Andy Martino
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Mets shopping list at winter meetings: an outfielder, free agent starting pitching and relief pitching.
Looking forward to the Mets getting started on any of the things on their shopping list. I’m tired of hearing about the Braves moves.
one way or another the mets will add at least $50m to the 2024 payroll. id probably take the over on that too.
i think braves are already above where they were last year so who knows how much more they plan to spend so their moves are more likely to be trades, which if good cost controlled players will be costly.
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1. thinks mets will be high $ on yamamoto
2. doesn't think yankees will spend on both soto and yamamoto
also just tweeted this:
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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Mets shopping list at winter meetings: an outfielder, free agent starting pitching and relief pitching.
Looking forward to the Mets getting started on any of the things on their shopping list. I’m tired of hearing about the Braves moves.
"I didn't hear it" = It's not happening?
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1. thinks mets will be high $ on yamamoto
2. doesn't think yankees will spend on both soto and yamamoto
also just tweeted this:
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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Mets shopping list at winter meetings: an outfielder, free agent starting pitching and relief pitching.
Looking forward to the Mets getting started on any of the things on their shopping list. I’m tired of hearing about the Braves moves.
"I didn't hear it" = It's not happening?
Predictable response from the predictable poster.
Gee, thanks Captain Obvious. Yes, I’m fully aware that there may be conversations going on that we all aren’t privy to. BUT, moves are being made that I figured the Mets would be involved in - while the Mets are instead signing AAA fodder. It has been a big area of concern. And I’m surprised we haven’t jumped on the market yet…given our resources. Appreciate your response.
But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.
There have certain been some signings already (Maeda, Martinez, Pagan, Lopez) that I thought this team might be involved with considering the huge need. Don’t get me wrong - the depth signings are potentially great. But we should also be very active with the top shelf FAs as well. I just don’t see the urgency. Doesn’t meant it’s not there - but Atlanta is forging forward and they are already at the top of the mountain. Just saying.
But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.
What's going down late Tuesday afternoon?
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But one constant is the arms they call up to the pen each season are really, really bad. These minor signings are actually really important. They will not blow several games over the course of the year if they have arms to cycle in the minors.
But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.
What's going down late Tuesday afternoon?
I assume he is referencing the MLB draft lottery.
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But one constant is the arms they call up to the pen each season are really, really bad. These minor signings are actually really important. They will not blow several games over the course of the year if they have arms to cycle in the minors.
But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.
What's going down late Tuesday afternoon?
I assume he is referencing the MLB draft lottery.
That's right good call!
If your sister was the 2nd most expensive date on the market right now.
The point isn’t severino it is that nobody has come off the board yet anywhere. Every teams fans is waiting for something substantial to happen.
Salary dump, so what’s next?
And heard Kelenic was rubbing some the wrong way.
Would love to hear your input.
You've got to be kidding.
The problem is we have no idea what Seve as a RP looks like.
Salary dump, so what’s next?
And heard Kelenic was rubbing some the wrong way.
Would love to hear your input.
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The full deal, per
@RyanDivish
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trying to fire up the simulator to see how they value this since i think it's mostly moving money but their hamster wheel is broken.
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Would love to hear your thoughts on the trade
Salary dump, so what’s next?
And heard Kelenic was rubbing some the wrong way.
Would love to hear your input.
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The full deal, per
@RyanDivish
: Mariners send Kelenic, LHP Marco Gonzales and 1B Evan White to Braves for pitchers Jackson Kowar and Cole Phillips.
trying to fire up the simulator to see how they value this since i think it's mostly moving money but their hamster wheel is broken.
When does ATL take on money? I know all the beats are reporting as such but come on they see the talent in Kelenic and he did start to put it together last year.
When does ATL take on money? I know all the beats are reporting as such but come on they see the talent in Kelenic and he did start to put it together last year.
white is set to make 7m this year, 8m next year, 2m buyout in 2026. hasn't played in mlb since 2021.
gonzalez on books for 12.25m this year, no buyout next year. xera's around 5 the last 3 seasons, all below replacement level.
so i think atlanta took on about $30m over 2 years to get kelenic for 1 pre-arb and 4 arb years?
would have been such a boss move by cohen to buy kelenic back, but i dont think the k-rate is what they are looking for.
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Don’t look at the braves most recent trade lol
You've got to be kidding.
LOL... can't make this arc up.. crazy
mets really need 2 long term SP signed. senga has 2 years until opt out. quintana and severino are 1 year guys. even if peterson comes back healthy and wins a legitimate spot he's only got 2 arb years left after 24. megill has 3.
so ideally i think mets would want to solidify 2 spots of their rotation for the long term this offseason and it seems like their 2 favorite options are yamamoto and montgomery. if they miss on yamamoto that probably leads to a guy like giolito and then being back in market next year for burnes.
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But one constant is the arms they call up to the pen each season are really, really bad. These minor signings are actually really important. They will not blow several games over the course of the year if they have arms to cycle in the minors.
But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.
What's going down late Tuesday afternoon?
MLB Lottery will take place at 5:30 pm EDT tomorrow.
having the worse offensive OF in baseball. Not eager to “expect” a Marte rebound and a Stewart repeat, Taylor as an extra OFer is one thing, as the starting CF with Nimmo moving to LF... major yuck.
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But one constant is the arms they call up to the pen each season are really, really bad. These minor signings are actually really important. They will not blow several games over the course of the year if they have arms to cycle in the minors.
But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.
What's going down late Tuesday afternoon?
MLB Lottery will take place at 5:30 pm EDT tomorrow.
For a quiet leak free offseason, wouldn't that be something if the national writers starting hearing things before then? ;)
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Sources: Braves are among the teams still engaged with Shohei Ohtani’s camp, as I reported in this @MLBNetwork
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In comment 16312631 Shecky said:
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But one constant is the arms they call up to the pen each season are really, really bad. These minor signings are actually really important. They will not blow several games over the course of the year if they have arms to cycle in the minors.
But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.
What's going down late Tuesday afternoon?
MLB Lottery will take place at 5:30 pm EDT tomorrow.
For a quiet leak free offseason, wouldn't that be something if the national writers starting hearing things before then? ;)
Stop making me think Yammamoto or Ohtani is happening lol
published their Yankees top 10 this morning. Their system is in good shape. They are lower on Thorpe than I am (#7 in their system). Liked Lalane a lot when I watched him in 2022 in the DSL. 6'7" lefty
Spoke to Seidler about Thorpe yesterday and he says BP will have him in their top 50-60 range when their list comes out.
published their Yankees top 10 this morning. Their system is in good shape. They are lower on Thorpe than I am (#7 in their system). Liked Lalane a lot when I watched him in 2022 in the DSL. 6'7" lefty
Spoke to Seidler about Thorpe yesterday and he says BP will have him in their top 50-60 range when their list comes out.
That's pretty surprising on Thorpe. They'll be the odd man out on that one.
Rosado has KBO experience. Certainly expect them to pick his brain regarding both Lee and Go #Mets
Stearns said they expected Nimmo to be the CFer but might see some time in the corners "if it makes sense". Can't imagine they land a CFer who is of "starters" quality or that they would move Nimmo for Lee.
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published their Yankees top 10 this morning. Their system is in good shape. They are lower on Thorpe than I am (#7 in their system). Liked Lalane a lot when I watched him in 2022 in the DSL. 6'7" lefty
Spoke to Seidler about Thorpe yesterday and he says BP will have him in their top 50-60 range when their list comes out.
That's pretty surprising on Thorpe. They'll be the odd man out on that one.
no statcast available but pipeline says thorpe sits 89-93 and i cant imagine there are very many pitching prospects who are going to rank top 50 without velocity. also left his last start early in sept and ended the season on IL (no idea what the issue was, nyy kept it quiet).
here are 2 keith law write-ups on thorpe, first from sept 20 and second from may 31 after seeing him in person (he seems more with BA than BP):
Thorpe is a great example of a minor-league pitcher whose performance and projection don’t line up — he led all minor-league pitchers in strikeouts this year with 182, ranking third among starters with a 34 percent strikeout rate, and had the best differential between his strikeout and walk rates among minor-league starters at 26.9 percent (that’s just strikeout rate minus walk rate). I wrote up Thorpe when I saw him with Hudson Valley in May, and raised questions about whether the fastball would really play against better hitters, acknowledging that his changeup is easily a plus pitch and he’s got more than enough breaking ball. Here the point is who had the best season, though, not who has the most upside, and Thorpe had the best season of any minor-league starter this year, posting a 2.52 ERA in 139 1/3 innings between High A and Double A.
a package headlined with him and king (plus a bunch of other stuff) is reasonable but i dont think either alone is a "cant turn down" headliner - which is why i think SD feels compelled to ask for as big of a package as they are. maybe im seeing ghosts but this feels like a typical nyy "sell the guy high while you can".
verdugo was coming off a 2 fwar age 23 season playing mostly CF when he headlined the betts trade. and downs was a 20 year old with a 1.100 ops in AA ranked top 50 by mlb and top 100 by ba, and they ate the price $. the met equivalent of that package is probably closer to alvarez + jett than anything else in mets system, though if you squint and get creative with 3rd teams i think there's an argument for something like baty + acuna + other stuff creating enough value (which is the type of package id at least submit even if it doesnt win the day).
even if we take that as fact if a fb doesnt play that's a big impact on a changeup. im not saying it will or wont (i have no idea) but law/ba seem to think there's sig risk it wont even though they arent in the data dead spot.
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met with the Giants on Saturday. Finalists believed to be Dodgers, Cubs, Blue Jays, Angels, and Giants
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Rooting for Blue Jays and Angels I guess.