I wanted the Yanks to sign Harper badly. I haven't wanted them to make a move this much since then.
I thought I saw Boras say Soto won't sign until free agency, but I can be wrong
Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
obviously he's a fantastic hitter, but the combination of such poor contact hitting recently (.259 BA last 2 years) + being a terrible fielder already at age 24 makes me extremely wary of investing in him long-term.
RE: RE: RE: if they can trade for and then sign Soto
Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
When was the last time the Yankees wanted to retain one of their big FA's and missed out? I'm confident if they pay the cost it'll take to get him that they'll keep him even if it's not an immediate extension. An offseason headlined by Soto and Yamamoto would be a home run and they appear to be the favorites for both of them as of now, which means they'll likely get neither and probably strike out on Bellinger as well.
obviously he's a fantastic hitter, but the combination of such poor contact hitting recently (.259 BA last 2 years) + being a terrible fielder already at age 24 makes me extremely wary of investing in him long-term.
8th in OPS last year, an OBP equivalent to Freeman and Diaz who both hit 330. All of the advanced stats are nearly equal to his career averages, including his 2021 season where be put up monster numbers. There's nothing to suggest he's not the same player he's always been.
He’s a .275 hitter hitting 30+ homers while walking more than he strikes out. I don’t think there’s anything to concerned about. I think we’ll see a bump in the average and power numbers in Yankee stadium as well.
is a perfect fit for every team IMO. It's not often players at his age become available. He's not a great fielder but he's not a ridiculously bad circus out there either.
Have any names leaked who have been shared? I can't click the link.
is a perfect fit for every team IMO. It's not often players at his age become available. He's not a great fielder but he's not a ridiculously bad circus out there either.
Have any names leaked who have been shared? I can't click the link.
All it says is that they’re interested in Dominguez, Volpe, King, Thorpe but not that those names have been offered by the Yankees
is a perfect fit for every team IMO. It's not often players at his age become available. He's not a great fielder but he's not a ridiculously bad circus out there either.
Have any names leaked who have been shared? I can't click the link.
Agreed.
Re: names, all he said was:
"While the exact names are not known, the Padres are said to be looking at top prospects/rookies like Jasson Dominguez and Anthony Volpe, young major league pitchers in the Michael King/Clarke Schmidt category, and more. That is standard behavior at the beginning of trade talks for a superstar player. It was also standard behavior for the Yankees to say no, but want to keep talking."
My guess is if a deal gets done it'll be headlined by Spencer Jones and either King or Schmidt.
His history is that he hits to all fields and would lose homers in Death Valley. He could perhaps adjust to the porch, but that's an unknown. statcast - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: if they can trade for and then sign Soto
Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
When was the last time the Yankees wanted to retain one of their big FA's and missed out? I'm confident if they pay the cost it'll take to get him that they'll keep him even if it's not an immediate extension. An offseason headlined by Soto and Yamamoto would be a home run and they appear to be the favorites for both of them as of now, which means they'll likely get neither and probably strike out on Bellinger as well.
Outside of Judge who is that in the last 15 years? He’s not one of their “own” FAs in sense it’s one year audition. The Boras factor is also huge. Mets will make a huge bid if he hits FA.
I assume Dominguez would be headed west in any deal
Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
When was the last time the Yankees wanted to retain one of their big FA's and missed out? I'm confident if they pay the cost it'll take to get him that they'll keep him even if it's not an immediate extension. An offseason headlined by Soto and Yamamoto would be a home run and they appear to be the favorites for both of them as of now, which means they'll likely get neither and probably strike out on Bellinger as well.
Outside of Judge who is that in the last 15 years? He’s not one of their “own” FAs in sense it’s one year audition. The Boras factor is also huge. Mets will make a huge bid if he hits FA.
The point is you get him in the building, there is a certain cachet that goes with playing for the Yankees and putting on the pinstripes. They haven't failed to resign any rentals they wanted to keep either with Rizzo being the most recent example.
RE: I assume Dominguez would be headed west in any deal
that they really won't entertain a new contract discussion until free agency, I really don't see a team offering a Dominguez-level prospect in a Soto package. Especially with the widely-known financial pressures that SD is facing.
Most of what I have read suggests that the Padres will be most keen on pitching prospects with MLB-proximity, given they they still intend on competing and are losing something like 800 starter IPs to free agency.
that they really won't entertain a new contract discussion until free agency, I really don't see a team offering a Dominguez-level prospect in a Soto package. Especially with the widely-known financial pressures that SD is facing.
Most of what I have read suggests that the Padres will be most keen on pitching prospects with MLB-proximity, given they they still intend on competing and are losing something like 800 starter IPs to free agency.
My opener here would be Thorpe, Pereira, Schmidt.
I'd also have to imagine that given the Padres aspirations to compete this year, they'd want to move him to an AL team which limits the suitors.
that they really won't entertain a new contract discussion until free agency, I really don't see a team offering a Dominguez-level prospect in a Soto package. Especially with the widely-known financial pressures that SD is facing.
Most of what I have read suggests that the Padres will be most keen on pitching prospects with MLB-proximity, given they they still intend on competing and are losing something like 800 starter IPs to free agency.
My opener here would be Thorpe, Pereira, Schmidt.
Agreed. If he was coming with 5 years worth of control, parting with Dominguez makes sense. I doubt it takes Dominguez
Price would be too high. I would not want to give up either Spencer Jones or Dominguez in any deal. They would have to give up too much and take on another huge contract. Boras will also want Soto to hit the market. Yanks would be saddled with 4 huge contracts (Cole, Judge, Stanton & Soto) and have little room to add to the roster while depleting their system. To me I'd rather see them try and sign Bellinger or Keirmaier and wait on Dominquez or Jones. Jones has torn it up in the minors and I expect him on the team in 2 years tops.
Price would be too high. I would not want to give up either Spencer Jones or Dominguez in any deal. They would have to give up too much and take on another huge contract. Boras will also want Soto to hit the market. Yanks would be saddled with 4 huge contracts (Cole, Judge, Stanton & Soto) and have little room to add to the roster while depleting their system. To me I'd rather see them try and sign Bellinger or Keirmaier and wait on Dominquez or Jones. Jones has torn it up in the minors and I expect him on the team in 2 years tops.
The team that trades prospects for a star-level player wins the deal a very very high percentage of the time.
Right. Neither of these guys are getting any younger. Given the amount of money they're paying those two, it's insanity not to go all out for such a major improvement to the roster.
RE: over/under on how long they take to turn him into a .200 hitting
- Yankees are definitely the favorites for Soto right now and the teams are engaged in talks, could see it getting done at the winter meetings
- Soto is the Yankees main focus right now as far as bats go, the Yankees really want him and are the main team right now and have a good chance of getting him
- Said Volpe isn't going anywhere and he doesn't think Jasson will be in the deal either when it shakes out but SD likes Jasson a lot as well as Drew Thorpe
- When things eventually shake out and if there's a deal, he thinks it'll be players like King and Schmidt headlining the deal, maybe Spencer Jones but the Yankees would like to keep him
- If they don't get Soto, they'll look at Bellinger and won't rule out Bellinger + Soto but thinks it's more likely they fill their CF void through a trade like Grisham being included in the Soto deal or maybe signing Jung Hoo Lee
- People with the Yankees he's spoken to said they feel really good about what they've heard so far re: Yamamoto
- Lastly, he's confident that the Yankees will do something big this offseason, doesn't see at least one major move not happening and probably more than one
RE: I listened to Heyman just now. Nothing groundbreaking but a
- Yankees are definitely the favorites for Soto right now and the teams are engaged in talks, could see it getting done at the winter meetings
- Soto is the Yankees main focus right now as far as bats go, the Yankees really want him and are the main team right now and have a good chance of getting him
- Said Volpe isn't going anywhere and he doesn't think Jasson will be in the deal either when it shakes out but SD likes Jasson a lot as well as Drew Thorpe
- When things eventually shake out and if there's a deal, he thinks it'll be players like King and Schmidt headlining the deal, maybe Spencer Jones but the Yankees would like to keep him
- If they don't get Soto, they'll look at Bellinger and won't rule out Bellinger + Soto but thinks it's more likely they fill their CF void through a trade like Grisham being included in the Soto deal or maybe signing Jung Hoo Lee
- People with the Yankees he's spoken to said they feel really good about what they've heard so far re: Yamamoto
- Lastly, he's confident that the Yankees will do something big this offseason, doesn't see at least one major move not happening and probably more than one
The time to make a move is now, when these guys are still playing at their peak. And, if the Yankees are committed to re-signing Soto, they can make it happen. It's all about having the will to do so.
- Yankees are definitely the favorites for Soto right now and the teams are engaged in talks, could see it getting done at the winter meetings
- Soto is the Yankees main focus right now as far as bats go, the Yankees really want him and are the main team right now and have a good chance of getting him
- Said Volpe isn't going anywhere and he doesn't think Jasson will be in the deal either when it shakes out but SD likes Jasson a lot as well as Drew Thorpe
- When things eventually shake out and if there's a deal, he thinks it'll be players like King and Schmidt headlining the deal, maybe Spencer Jones but the Yankees would like to keep him
- If they don't get Soto, they'll look at Bellinger and won't rule out Bellinger + Soto but thinks it's more likely they fill their CF void through a trade like Grisham being included in the Soto deal or maybe signing Jung Hoo Lee
- People with the Yankees he's spoken to said they feel really good about what they've heard so far re: Yamamoto
- Lastly, he's confident that the Yankees will do something big this offseason, doesn't see at least one major move not happening and probably more than one
Drew Thorpe is really good.. He’s the one guy I think will be really valuable for us going forward. Welp, we’ll see what it costs but IId rather not lose him.
By any measure, he is already one of the top 10 hitters in the game and young. I agree the Yankees are likely to resign him.
I'm a Mets fan and wish he were coming here. But the Yankees are more win-now, I think, and Mets are carrying too much dead $ this year. He'd massively improve either lineup.
I can't believe there are fans who are wary of trading prospects
By any measure, he is already one of the top 10 hitters in the game and young. I agree the Yankees are likely to resign him.
I'm a Mets fan and wish he were coming here. But the Yankees are more win-now, I think, and Mets are carrying too much dead $ this year. He'd massively improve either lineup.
FWIW, if Soto is truly a DH prospect because of poor fielding not sure that they need another DH.
Why is he a poor fielder? I guy of that athletic ability should easily reach average fielder level if he was interested. For 10 years $400+ mill he'd better be able to play decent OF.
Definitely feels like Soto to the Yankees is gonna happen.
He’s a .275 hitter hitting 30+ homers while walking more than he strikes out. I don’t think there’s anything to concerned about. I think we’ll see a bump in the average and power numbers in Yankee stadium as well.
Saw a chart a few weeks ago that showed how many HRs he would have had last season based on playing his home games in each park. Believe it or not, he would have hit the fewest home runs if he had played his home games in Yankee Stadium. Makes no sense.
RE: I assume Dominguez would be headed west in any deal
He’s a .275 hitter hitting 30+ homers while walking more than he strikes out. I don’t think there’s anything to concerned about. I think we’ll see a bump in the average and power numbers in Yankee stadium as well.
Saw a chart a few weeks ago that showed how many HRs he would have had last season based on playing his home games in each park. Believe it or not, he would have hit the fewest home runs if he had played his home games in Yankee Stadium. Makes no sense.
I think that’s projecting his approach is the same exact and he’d lose homers in Death Valley and assuming he won’t change his approach to take advantage of the porch.
I think he’s a good enough hitter he will adjust to the porch, it may come at the expense of a few points of BA but the homers will make up for it
He's got the highest upside of any of their young guys, at least among those above rookie ball.
Not for a rental. For comparison look at what the Sox got for Mookie.
In hindsight it looks pretty bad but at the time Verdugo was as highly regarded as Jasson and Downs was a top 100 guy. Plus the Dodgers took on Price’s deal
Though unlikely, there is always a chance Cohen throws 500M at Boras,
He's been CONSTANTLY injured these past several years and even on the rare occurence when he is healthy; he hasn't been good. Him getting $13 million for one year is hilarous. Good for him to take a terribly run team for a ride, though. Good for him.
He's been CONSTANTLY injured these past several years and even on the rare occurence when he is healthy; he hasn't been good. Him getting $13 million for one year is hilarous. Good for him to take a terribly run team for a ride, though. Good for him.
I agree Dave - (and you probably know I’m a Mets fan). I’m not thrilled with this signing at all. I’m actually on here because I think the Soto acquisition is very good. Batting behind Judge. I figured some of the Sevy news was mentioned here and wanted your guys (Yankee fans) take.
RE: Though unlikely, there is always a chance Cohen throws 500M at Boras,
He's been CONSTANTLY injured these past several years and even on the rare occurence when he is healthy; he hasn't been good. Him getting $13 million for one year is hilarous. Good for him to take a terribly run team for a ride, though. Good for him.
I don't understand why they'd sign Sevy over Nick Martinez who's far less risky and got essentially the same money but an extra year. Makes me wonder if the Mets plan on resetting the tax next year.
He’s a .275 hitter hitting 30+ homers while walking more than he strikes out. I don’t think there’s anything to concerned about. I think we’ll see a bump in the average and power numbers in Yankee stadium as well.
Saw a chart a few weeks ago that showed how many HRs he would have had last season based on playing his home games in each park. Believe it or not, he would have hit the fewest home runs if he had played his home games in Yankee Stadium. Makes no sense.
I think that’s projecting his approach is the same exact and he’d lose homers in Death Valley and assuming he won’t change his approach to take advantage of the porch.
I think he’s a good enough hitter he will adjust to the porch, it may come at the expense of a few points of BA but the homers will make up for it
While it's a small sample size, Soto has 5 HR's in 9 career games at YS (also hit 310 but BA with that sample size isn't indicative of much).
I am reading comments that the Yankees should avoid Juan Soto and take a safer path with Kevin Keirmaier.
I'll be dipped in shit and covered in rainbow sprinkles.
Actually,if they do trade for Soto,Kiermaier would probably be the other LH hitting OF they sign. Yanks seem committed to Dominguez as their CF,so when he returns June/July,Kiermaier becomes the backup OF & for those crying about Soto's defense,he could replace him in late innings(although I wouldn't want to take his bat out of the lineup). Acquiring both Soto & Bellinger won't work unless they somehow can move Stanton,so once Dominguez returns, they could rotate OFers in the DH spot.
RE: RE: RE: I assume Dominguez would be headed west in any deal
He's got the highest upside of any of their young guys, at least among those above rookie ball.
Not for a rental. For comparison look at what the Sox got for Mookie.
In hindsight it looks pretty bad but at the time Verdugo was as highly regarded as Jasson and Downs was a top 100 guy. Plus the Dodgers took on Price’s deal
One major difference is Mookie wanted to sign a deal and then did before he even played a game for the Dodgers. By all accounts, Soto wants to be a FA and so this really is just a rental.
I am reading comments that the Yankees should avoid Juan Soto and take a safer path with Kevin Keirmaier.
I'll be dipped in shit and covered in rainbow sprinkles.
Actually,if they do trade for Soto,Kiermaier would probably be the other LH hitting OF they sign. Yanks seem committed to Dominguez as their CF,so when he returns June/July,Kiermaier becomes the backup OF & for those crying about Soto's defense,he could replace him in late innings(although I wouldn't want to take his bat out of the lineup). Acquiring both Soto & Bellinger won't work unless they somehow can move Stanton,so once Dominguez returns, they could rotate OFers in the DH spot.
Sure - there's a version of the world where Keirmaier makes sense here...as a stopgap. But if that is anywhere close to the biggest move of the outfield "upgrade", they did not understand the assignment.
More specifically, it makes my head spin to see someone say that they hope the Yankees pass on a Soto trade and head in the direction of a Kevin Kiermaier. Opinions are just that, and mine is that take is batshit crazy.
Sure - there's a version of the world where Keirmaier makes sense here...as a stopgap. But if that is anywhere close to the biggest move of the outfield "upgrade", they did not understand the assignment.
More specifically, it makes my head spin to see someone say that they hope the Yankees pass on a Soto trade and head in the direction of a Kevin Kiermaier. Opinions are just that, and mine is that take is batshit crazy.
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
Ok, so one poster.....
I'm sure you have a point here, but I'm having trouble finding it. I pointed out what I found to be a completely insane take. That is bothering you in some way, and I want to wish you well in dealing with that feeling.
Kiermaier makes a lot of sense in addition to Soto.
Very good defensive CF who can keep the spot warm until Dominguez gets back. But if they miss out on Soto and Bellinger to sign Kiermaier, that would be pretty bad -- similar to when the Yanks passed on the loaded SS FA class to sign IKF
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
Ok, so one poster.....
I'm sure you have a point here, but I'm having trouble finding it. I pointed out what I found to be a completely insane take. That is bothering you in some way, and I want to wish you well in dealing with that feeling.
You did say someONE...ok
But I think trading a boatload for Soto without a long term deal in hand is insane. If the people included are 2nd level prospects ok. Maybe you give up one top prospect and a couple 2nd levels, but why would you give up a treasure trove for a 1 year rental. Yes they could use his bat(or any bat), without question. But a liability in the field...
Now if they can off load Stanton, absolutely. That changes everything.
RE: Kiermaier makes a lot of sense in addition to Soto.
Very good defensive CF who can keep the spot warm until Dominguez gets back. But if they miss out on Soto and Bellinger to sign Kiermaier, that would be pretty bad -- similar to when the Yanks passed on the loaded SS FA class to sign IKF
numbers I've seen speculated for KK are in the range of $20M over 2 years. Not my money, but they do seem to operate with limits. Kiermaier posted a 104 wRC+ last year (which was his best season in the last 6), and expected metrics would suggest that it was better than he deserved. I'd just as soon bring back Bader for less money if we are talking about a seat-warming situation.
I'm all for ramping up left-handedness in the lineup....with good hitters. And KK is not a good hitter.
RE: RE: Kiermaier makes a lot of sense in addition to Soto.
Very good defensive CF who can keep the spot warm until Dominguez gets back. But if they miss out on Soto and Bellinger to sign Kiermaier, that would be pretty bad -- similar to when the Yanks passed on the loaded SS FA class to sign IKF
numbers I've seen speculated for KK are in the range of $20M over 2 years. Not my money, but they do seem to operate with limits. Kiermaier posted a 104 wRC+ last year (which was his best season in the last 6), and expected metrics would suggest that it was better than he deserved. I'd just as soon bring back Bader for less money if we are talking about a seat-warming situation.
I'm all for ramping up left-handedness in the lineup....with good hitters. And KK is not a good hitter.
KK is an excellent OF, probably better than Bader. He is awful at the plate. Rays batted him 8th or 9th, IIRC?
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
Ok, so one poster.....
I'm sure you have a point here, but I'm having trouble finding it. I pointed out what I found to be a completely insane take. That is bothering you in some way, and I want to wish you well in dealing with that feeling.
You did say someONE...ok
But I think trading a boatload for Soto without a long term deal in hand is insane. If the people included are 2nd level prospects ok. Maybe you give up one top prospect and a couple 2nd levels, but why would you give up a treasure trove for a 1 year rental. Yes they could use his bat(or any bat), without question. But a liability in the field...
Now if they can off load Stanton, absolutely. That changes everything.
these things are subjective, of course. and you are right that the trade price matters.
My opinion is based on 2 beliefs:
1) I view Soto as a surefire first ballot hall of famer when it's said and done. He's one of the best hitters I've watched. He's got a career .946 OPS, and he hasn't even had any of those years yet that you can point to and say "I'll be that's his career year". In every year of his career post age 21, he has walked more than he has struck out. He's 25 years old and very likely has not peaked yet.
2) I don't think it will take tippy-top tier prospects to land him. His agent has been vocal about no extension until FA, and everyone knows that San Diego is a financial dumpster fire right now. They are under some duress to unload money, and everyone knows it. I think it can be done without a Domniguez, Volpe, Peraza. If the lead piece is a Spencer Jones or Drew Thorpe, I think that's fine price to pay.
A package like Thorpe, Schmidt, Pereira wouldn't bother me at all. I think he's that good, and I think they should go into it with the mindset that they will do whatever it takes to make him like NY and re-sign him whether now or at the end of the season.
I'm not sure how many teams would be willing to outbid that package. Only a handful of teams will likely be at the table to pay him $400-500M, and I would expect that only teams who realistically will try to re-sign him would enter the trade talks now.
I'm very likely in the minority on this point -- but I'd quite frankly rather have Soto than Ohtani. Largely due to his age, but that's how good I think he is.
RE: RE: RE: Kiermaier makes a lot of sense in addition to Soto.
Very good defensive CF who can keep the spot warm until Dominguez gets back. But if they miss out on Soto and Bellinger to sign Kiermaier, that would be pretty bad -- similar to when the Yanks passed on the loaded SS FA class to sign IKF
numbers I've seen speculated for KK are in the range of $20M over 2 years. Not my money, but they do seem to operate with limits. Kiermaier posted a 104 wRC+ last year (which was his best season in the last 6), and expected metrics would suggest that it was better than he deserved. I'd just as soon bring back Bader for less money if we are talking about a seat-warming situation.
I'm all for ramping up left-handedness in the lineup....with good hitters. And KK is not a good hitter.
KK is an excellent OF, probably better than Bader. He is awful at the plate. Rays batted him 8th or 9th, IIRC?
yes, something like that. It's all about offense to me. Offense is the reason that the Yankees have sucked in recent years (relative to their own standard). Complete players are great, but I'm absolutely willing to sacrifice a little bit of defense especially for an elite bat. Soto can credibly play the outfield. It absolutely isn't his strength but a lot of the commentary about his shortcomings with the glove are overcooked.
these things are subjective, of course. and you are right that the trade price matters.
My opinion is based on 2 beliefs:
1) I view Soto as a surefire first ballot hall of famer when it's said and done. He's one of the best hitters I've watched. He's got a career .946 OPS, and he hasn't even had any of those years yet that you can point to and say "I'll be that's his career year". In every year of his career post age 21, he has walked more than he has struck out. He's 25 years old and very likely has not peaked yet.
2) I don't think it will take tippy-top tier prospects to land him. His agent has been vocal about no extension until FA, and everyone knows that San Diego is a financial dumpster fire right now. They are under some duress to unload money, and everyone knows it. I think it can be done without a Domniguez, Volpe, Peraza. If the lead piece is a Spencer Jones or Drew Thorpe, I think that's fine price to pay.
A package like Thorpe, Schmidt, Pereira wouldn't bother me at all. I think he's that good, and I think they should go into it with the mindset that they will do whatever it takes to make him like NY and re-sign him whether now or at the end of the season.
I'm not sure how many teams would be willing to outbid that package. Only a handful of teams will likely be at the table to pay him $400-500M, and I would expect that only teams who realistically will try to re-sign him would enter the trade talks now.
I'm very likely in the minority on this point -- but I'd quite frankly rather have Soto than Ohtani. Largely due to his age, but that's how good I think he is.
I can agree with this...
as far as Ohtani, I am not so fond of him requiring a team to let him pitch as well as DH full time. Either be a pitcher or a fielder/DH, eve if he is a remarkable player.
But I think trading a boatload for Soto without a long term deal in hand is insane. If the people included are 2nd level prospects ok. Maybe you give up one top prospect and a couple 2nd levels, but why would you give up a treasure trove for a 1 year rental. Yes they could use his bat(or any bat), without question. But a liability in the field...
Now if they can off load Stanton, absolutely. That changes everything.
Most of the Yankees prospects are 2nd level prospects anyways if Volpe and Dominguez aren't on the table, especially if they mostly want MLB or near-MLB pitching. I'd imagine King and/or Schmidt will need to be in the deal to get it done (more likely King but who knows).
Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
Baseball America has:
55. Dominguez
69. Pereira
76. Jones
96. Thorpe
RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
I am reading comments that the Yankees should avoid Juan Soto and take a safer path with Kevin Keirmaier.
I'll be dipped in shit and covered in rainbow sprinkles.
Actually,if they do trade for Soto,Kiermaier would probably be the other LH hitting OF they sign. Yanks seem committed to Dominguez as their CF,so when he returns June/July,Kiermaier becomes the backup OF & for those crying about Soto's defense,he could replace him in late innings(although I wouldn't want to take his bat out of the lineup). Acquiring both Soto & Bellinger won't work unless they somehow can move Stanton,so once Dominguez returns, they could rotate OFers in the DH spot.
Sure - there's a version of the world where Keirmaier makes sense here...as a stopgap. But if that is anywhere close to the biggest move of the outfield "upgrade", they did not understand the assignment.
More specifically, it makes my head spin to see someone say that they hope the Yankees pass on a Soto trade and head in the direction of a Kevin Kiermaier. Opinions are just that, and mine is that take is batshit crazy.
As I said previously,If they trade for Soto,Kiermaier makes sense from a financial & team standpoint. He certainly wouldn't be the major OF upgrade, but would fit in perfectly.short & long term! If the Soto deal falls through, I then could see them going after Bellinger & Lee!
RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
is that he is slow and a poor defender. His offensive capabilities are obviously terrific. The Yankees absolutely need that kind of bat.
I suppose they survived Reggie Jackson in RF.
The Yankees should pair Soto with a fast CFer who has great range. It's doable. Just me grousing I guess.
Passan says he thinks the Yankees are the favorites for both Soto
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
Yeah, let's run it back and pass on trading for one of the best hitters in the sport. Surely Judge will hit 70 HR's next year to get us over the hump.
big thing that people overlook with Soto is the walks. Led the majors in walks last year. Third in the majors in OBP, behind Acuna and Ohtani. So you're getting a .275-.280 hitter, 100 RBIs, 30-35 homers and on base all the time, setting the table for Judge.
Stated that the Padres and Yankees are far apart on a deal but the Blue Jays have entered as a suitor.
Olney was on Kay and said everyone is likely going to be completely underwhelmed by the return the Padres get and that there just aren’t many teams in on Soto because of his pending free agency.
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What could ultimately lead the Yankees and Padres closer to an agreement are talks centered around Clarke Schmidt and other prospects. Dominguez, volpe, peraza, wells, Torres currently not involved
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What could ultimately lead the Yankees and Padres closer to an agreement are talks centered around Clarke Schmidt and other prospects. Dominguez, volpe, peraza, wells, Torres currently not involved
If none of those guys are involved make the deal. Can’t let him go to Toronto
Reporting there's a chasm in between the two teams. Yanks don't want to include Thorpe or King. Padres not happy and Yanks might turn their attention elsewhere for now.
TL/DR: King, Thorpe, Brito, Vazquez. 1-2 more prospects and Cash is too much for Soto, Yankees believe. Yankees are not properly valuing Soto yet, Padres believe.
I can understand why they’re pushing Schmidt over King
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What could ultimately lead the Yankees and Padres closer to an agreement are talks centered around Clarke Schmidt and other prospects. Dominguez, volpe, peraza, wells, Torres currently not involved
If none of those guys are involved make the deal. Can’t let him go to Toronto
I’m not sure I believe the Toronto thing. Word is they have Ohtani at the top of their list. In light of the news the Yanks are playing hard ball this just seems like the Padres leaking a bogus scenario to get the Yankees attention. What better way than to throw out a divisional rival? The timing is too suspect here, imo
RE: I can understand why they’re pushing Schmidt over King
to try and gain leverage with the Yankees which given reports before today seemed to indicate they had little. They're not going to trade Tiedemann and he's their main chip as far as MLB-ready starters go.
While risky, reports are similar to how Cashman has always operated/negotiated deals. We know he's stubborn though and could overplay his hand.
Padres gave away Abrams, Gore, Hassell, Wood, and Susana, none
of the prospects being talked about from the Yanks are anywhere near the top 4. But Soto couldn't uplift the Padres despite having 3 other top hitters and the NL Cy Young on the team. And he's one year closer to free agency.
He's exactly what the Yanks need, if not for Stanton taking up the DH spot for the next few years. Unless Seattle offers 3/5 of their starting rotation, I wouldn't be in a hurry to include King or Thorpe.
RE: We also need to pay him 400M plus and petition the league
to put 2 fielders in LF and without a 3B if Volpe’s defensive metrics are to be believed.
Give them Schimdt, Hampton, both Brito and Vasquez, plus Pereira. But not more than that.
If the Yanks do end up trading for Soto (and signing him), I would seriously consider trying Judge at first and moving Soto to RF. I think Judge is a good enough athlete to play first.
of the prospects being talked about from the Yanks are anywhere near the top 4. But Soto couldn't uplift the Padres despite having 3 other top hitters and the NL Cy Young on the team. And he's one year closer to free agency.
He's exactly what the Yanks need, if not for Stanton taking up the DH spot for the next few years. Unless Seattle offers 3/5 of their starting rotation, I wouldn't be in a hurry to include King or Thorpe.
This sort of reminds me of the Knicks with Donovan Mitchell. While it might be true today that the Yankees are mostly bidding against themselves, that doesn't mean another team won't come out of the woodwork and put together a better offer than what they're asking for from the Yankees now. Unlike with Mitchell though, you have the added risk of Ohtani signing and then the suitors who are left out jumping in with desperation offers.
He's been CONSTANTLY injured these past several years and even on the rare occurence when he is healthy; he hasn't been good. Him getting $13 million for one year is hilarous. Good for him to take a terribly run team for a ride, though. Good for him.
Why would anyone have an issue with Severino being gone?
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
This is one of those posts that is more than likely going to age poorly. For his age his production so far has him on an easy hall of Fame trajectory.
It'll be funny if they describe him as a shitty fielding 270 hitter with 30 hr pop at his Cooperstown induction ceremony.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
This is one of those posts that is more than likely going to age poorly. For his age his production so far has him on an easy hall of Fame trajectory.
It'll be funny if they describe him as a shitty fielding 270 hitter with 30 hr pop at his Cooperstown induction ceremony.
I would never understand someone not wanting a top 5 bat in the league who hasn't even hit his prime.
RE: RE: We also need to pay him 400M plus and petition the league
to put 2 fielders in LF and without a 3B if Volpe’s defensive metrics are to be believed.
Give them Schimdt, Hampton, both Brito and Vasquez, plus Pereira. But not more than that.
If the Yanks do end up trading for Soto (and signing him), I would seriously consider trying Judge at first and moving Soto to RF. I think Judge is a good enough athlete to play first.
Why would you take a Gold Glove RF & move him to first,weakening 2 positions?
RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
People really thought he was going to moonwalk into the hall of fame on the first ballot after what he had accomplished through 2021 at age 23. He hasn’t been exactly the same caliber of hitter the past 2 seasons, but that’s a very big relative let down. He’s still a highly productive hitter and worth acquiring for the likes of Michael King
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
Wow,just wow! His BB/K ratio isn't that great? He's led the league in BBs 3 years,including last year where he walked(132)more than he struck out(129).His OBP is always over .400,had 12 SBs last year(so he can run).He's only 25 & has yet to peak.Let's get him in Pinstripes for next season & see if you're calling him an "Above Average Player" next October!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
Not even close. Stanton being as big as he is, was bound to breakdown. And look at the age difference!!!!
I want him with Dominguez in CF. I really like that kid. I would push a package with one of Volpe or Peraza instead of Dominguez, plus a pitcher.
I'm not sure I would make King the sticking point, like the Yankees are apparently trying initially. I like King, but overall their development of starting pitching has not been stellar and he is nowhere near special, which Soto is.
I want him with Dominguez in CF. I really like that kid. I would push a package with one of Volpe or Peraza instead of Dominguez, plus a pitcher.
I'm not sure I would make King the sticking point, like the Yankees are apparently trying initially. I like King, but overall their development of starting pitching has not been stellar and he is nowhere near special, which Soto is.
I haven’t really seen that the Padres are insisting on any of Dominguez, Volpe or Peraza. At least from anyone reputable. It seems there strong preference is young, cost controlled SP
What I don't want to see is we lose out on all the top players and end
up with Bellinger on a 6/175M contract and Snell 6/210M.
Schmidt, Brito, Vazquez and Hampton are 4 present or almost ready SP they can plug in this year. Plus Pereira. Peraza probably isn't as appealing to them because of Merrill.
If we have to sub Jones for Pereira, so be it. I don't know if there is enough separation in between Hampton and Thorpe to let it be a sticking point.
None of them are top 30 prospects, given our recent track record probably at most 1 of the lot will turn into anything.
King I'd like to keep though.
How about we take Soto and Tatis and they take back
up with Bellinger on a 6/175M contract and Snell 6/210M.
Schmidt, Brito, Vazquez and Hampton are 4 present or almost ready SP they can plug in this year. Plus Pereira. Peraza probably isn't as appealing to them because of Merrill.
If we have to sub Jones for Pereira, so be it. I don't know if there is enough separation in between Hampton and Thorpe to let it be a sticking point.
None of them are top 30 prospects, given our recent track record probably at most 1 of the lot will turn into anything.
King I'd like to keep though.
Given Cashman's recent track record (Ellsbury being the exception), more likely I think he would instead try to prove he's the smartest guy in the room by acquiring players on the cheap that at best would improve the team a bit at the margins. To me, that is the worst case scenario.
RE: How about we take Soto and Tatis and they take back
Stanton? Tatis would be great in our LF. Soto could DH.
With the passing of their owner, shedding those mega contracts may be more important than winning right now.
There's no way they can sell their fanbase on losing all their key FA's and 2 of their 3 best players after the albatross contract they gave Bogaerts last year. Plus Tatis has a lot of value on that contract at his age, if they just wanted to shed his salary they could get a good return from another team.
Stanton? Tatis would be great in our LF. Soto could DH.
With the passing of their owner, shedding those mega contracts may be more important than winning right now.
There are rumors that Soto and Tatis can’t stand each other. And neither one can stand Machado. They had some pretty significant locker room issues last season, which may explain their completely disappointing season
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
How can you possibly say his BB/K ratio isn't that great in today's game? That's a baffling statement.
if the Yankees can get Soto without Dominguez or Volpe or anyone like that it's a massive win, obviously need to see the other players they do trade but it's basically Manhattan for trinkets redux.
if they add Yamamoto too the Yankees are like one of the NBA super teams.
what Yankees fan is against trading for Soto? You don't get 25 year olds come available with his skill set very often, if ever.
if the Yankees can get Soto without Dominguez or Volpe or anyone like that it's a massive win, obviously need to see the other players they do trade but it's basically Manhattan for trinkets redux.
if they add Yamamoto too the Yankees are like one of the NBA super teams.
what Yankees fan is against trading for Soto? You don't get 25 year olds come available with his skill set very often, if ever.
That’s just rnargi being rnargi…
99.9% of Yankees fans know that landing Soto without giving up Dominguez or Volpe is a no brainer
if the Yankees can get Soto without Dominguez or Volpe or anyone like that it's a massive win, obviously need to see the other players they do trade but it's basically Manhattan for trinkets redux.
if they add Yamamoto too the Yankees are like one of the NBA super teams.
what Yankees fan is against trading for Soto? You don't get 25 year olds come available with his skill set very often, if ever.
I'm with you 100%. I think some fans are just scarred by recent big acquisitions that have backfired badly. This isn't one of those though
These talks are taking on a very D.Mitchell to the Knicks vibe
With the Yanks trying to fuck up a 1 car funeral. Just make a good offer. Other teams are gonna swoop in, especially once they lose out on Ohtani. The guy is a perfect fit for this lineup and he's 25. I'm not saying give up everything but try and hold on to the Martian and Volpe but it seems like they want pitching so just offer a good package. None of our pitching prospects are untouchable. King is valuable but come on how long before he gets inevitable TJ surgery like they all do. I get he's a rental but you're not landing Soto with some sort of low ball offer.
I think they wanted him back, but not for the absurd contract he got from Seattle.
And I was fine with that....until they then blew $150 million on Ellsbury.
I would have given Cano a 10-year contract. With him, they win maybe two WS's. Without him, none. Who cares that he'll get old, useless and still cost money. These are inflationary times.
It’s all projection and nothing is guaranteed but the system
is a bit deeper than before. Cashman better not screw up the Soto trade and then give Bellinger a 200M contract to compensate.
I actually like King more than Thorpe. Thorpe throws in the low 90’s, even with a great CU and a workable slider I don’t know what his ceiling is. Schmidt has to be in the deal, apparently SD asked for both Brito and Vazquez as well, no problem there, and let’s push for Hampton instead of Thorpe. But Thorpe shouldn’t be a deal breaker. If Thorpe is included, then maybe an OF doesn’t need to be involved. I can definitely live with trading Pereira though.
Baseball-wise Soto is a no brainer, but Boras is his agent. He’s not giving a hometown discount and probably will command 450M while going to the highest bidder.
Soto to Toronto would be no bueno, but they don’t have much ML ready pitching to trade except for Tidenman.
RE: It’s all projection and nothing is guaranteed but the system
is a bit deeper than before. Cashman better not screw up the Soto trade and then give Bellinger a 200M contract to compensate.
I actually like King more than Thorpe. Thorpe throws in the low 90’s, even with a great CU and a workable slider I don’t know what his ceiling is. Schmidt has to be in the deal, apparently SD asked for both Brito and Vazquez as well, no problem there, and let’s push for Hampton instead of Thorpe. But Thorpe shouldn’t be a deal breaker. If Thorpe is included, then maybe an OF doesn’t need to be involved. I can definitely live with trading Pereira though.
Baseball-wise Soto is a no brainer, but Boras is his agent. He’s not giving a hometown discount and probably will command 450M while going to the highest bidder.
Soto to Toronto would be no bueno, but they don’t have much ML ready pitching to trade except for Tidenman.
I like King but the injury history is worrisome and they'd be selling high with only 2 years of control left anyways. It'd hurt to part with him but as a centerpiece of a Soto deal I think it's a no-brainer. Just a question of what else has to go with him.
RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
I think they wanted him back, but not for the absurd contract he got from Seattle.
And I was fine with that....until they then blew $150 million on Ellsbury.
I would have given Cano a 10-year contract. With him, they win maybe two WS's. Without him, none. Who cares that he'll get old, useless and still cost money. These are inflationary times.
I thought the Yankees handled him just fine and looking back it seems correct. His 5 years in Seattle he was not as good as his time in NY and the 5 years after that he fell off a cliff, including a suspension.
For Soto, there are no pitchers I would feel strongly enough
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental.
I didn't just fall off the turnip truck, I've been following Dominguez since they first signed him. I know all about his special skillset, but he has been at best streaky on his way up the minor league ladder.
I'm not a scout and neither are you. I don't think going to games at Somerset makes you more informed or better able to evaluate him than the guys who put together the lists for Baseball America or MLB.com. They're certainly more informed than I am and given their current opinion, I don't think he should stand in the way of landing Soto (who I don't view as a one-year rental because I think trading for him makes it far more likely than not that he signs a longterm deal at some point).
RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental.
I didn't just fall off the turnip truck, I've been following Dominguez since they first signed him. I know all about his special skillset, but he has been at best streaky on his way up the minor league ladder.
I'm not a scout and neither are you. I don't think going to games at Somerset makes you more informed or better able to evaluate him than the guys who put together the lists for Baseball America or MLB.com. They're certainly more informed than I am and given their current opinion, I don't think he should stand in the way of landing Soto (who I don't view as a one-year rental because I think trading for him makes it far more likely than not that he signs a longterm deal at some point).
He was playing over his age group at every level and he started to turn it on in AA. I would not deal him without more back from San Diego. Soto is gone next year. They will get a decent deal but they are not entitled to fleece the Yanks.
they want in trades. But the Padres aren’t “entitled to fleece the Yankees”. Lol. The Padres should be content with “a decent deal”.
Haha, peak entitled Yankee fan shit there.
Mets Fan?
It is not entitled. You don't get fleeced by a team that knows it is going to lose a player in FA next year. Padres should look for their best deal, but you do not overpay.
RE: RE: Most teams have to overpay for big-time players that
they want in trades. But the Padres aren’t “entitled to fleece the Yankees”. Lol. The Padres should be content with “a decent deal”.
Haha, peak entitled Yankee fan shit there.
Mets Fan?
It is not entitled. You don't get fleeced by a team that knows it is going to lose a player in FA next year. Padres should look for their best deal, but you do not overpay.
Especially when the Padres are so broke that they had to take loans to make payroll.
Looks like the Martian is back at #1, and rated to be the fastest runner, best power and best arm. Hampton has the best FB and curve. They have both Jones and Peraza in the projected 2027 lineup. Arias looks to be highly rated now too.
Don’t have the actual list tho.
RE: BA’s top 10 for Yankees supposed to drop today.
Looks like the Martian is back at #1, and rated to be the fastest runner, best power and best arm. Hampton has the best FB and curve. They have both Jones and Peraza in the projected 2027 lineup. Arias looks to be highly rated now too.
Don’t have the actual list tho.
Full list is:
1. Jasson
2. Spencer Jones
3. Pereira
4. Hampton
5. Arias
6. Wells
7. Thorpe
8. Lalane
9. Lombard
10. Warren
Brandon Wile
@Brandon_N_Wile
Shi on the Blue Jays and Juan Soto
"The sense that I've gotten, unless that price changes from San Diego's current demands, I'm not sure the Blue Jays are involved. But everything in this market (is) very fluid, things can change very quickly."
We'll see what happens but the leaks about Toronto reek of SD trying to put pressure on the Yankees after the Yankees leaked their ask for Soto. Link - ( New Window )
on Soto:
"Other clubs -- including the Blue Jays -- remain engaged on Soto, as well, but if he’s going to be traded this week, it’s starting to feel like it’s the Yankees or bust."
On Yamamoto:
"The Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Giants and Dodgers are among the teams believed to be targeting Yamamoto, though most people inside the industry believe it could very well come down to an old-fashioned bidding war between the two New York clubs."
Curry usually has the best read on what's going on with the Yankees. Some things he's said so far:
- The Yankees know getting Soto is a move they have to make
- Preller and Cashman have a good relationship and the two sides will "make their way back to each other"
- Reiterated the Padres asked for 7 players and for the Yankees to take on additional salary beyond Soto. Did say he thinks the Yankees are willing to pay a price that "will hurt" but not 7 players
- Yankees will try very hard to hang onto King and see if they can get a deal done without him (didn't say King was untouchable though)
- Yankees feel that there are few teams willing to take on Soto's salary + give up what it'll take to get Soto
- On Yamamoto, the Yankees really want him and feel good about their chances. "When was the last time Brian Cashman flew to Japan to see a player?" Also mentioned Matsui will help recruit him
- They really want to land both Soto and Yamamoto
Pretty surprising to me how confident he seems about Soto. Not sure I've ever heard him talk more passionately about the Yankees needing a player (Soto) before a deal was done. Usually the Yankees use him to temper expectations, so I think we can assume they're confident about getting Soto and to a lesser extent, Yamamoto.
Read through some of Josh Norris' chat this afternoon, so.....
All the drama with Cashman and Stanton’s agent was going on, I said the Yankees will have Matsui talk to Yamamoto to sooth things over. I wouldn’t be surprised not to hear from Tanaka also.
All the drama with Cashman and Stanton’s agent was going on, I said the Yankees will have Matsui talk to Yamamoto to sooth things over. I wouldn’t be surprised not to hear from Tanaka also.
In the end, money talks and the bullshit walks.
The Yanks need to pull a Tampa Rays, keep the legit prospects and
trade aways the pretenders before they are exposed.
Everyone will keep King over Schmidt. Neither Brito and Vazquez would be a big loss. I’d try to trade Fitts, Beeter, and Warren too.
They have to pick the right one to keep between Pereira/Jones, Thorpe/Hampton. Cashman and co haven’t been good at that. Not counting the low A lottery tickets, system is strong in SP and INF, no need to keep them all.
In retrospect, they probably should have dealt Peraza, although we don’t know what Seattle was asking.
welp, we'll soon find out if they're right or just bullshitting
he spoke to an AL executive yesterday who told him “The Yankees are telling people they’re ahead of the pack on (Yoshinobu) Yamamoto. Like, way ahead.”
Re: Yamamoto, I hadn’t really expected the Yanks to wind up with him. I figured that he’d either want to be on the west coast or they’d get outbid by the Mets (or Dodgers if they miss on Ohtani). Still might be the case, but I’m starting to think the Yanks might have intel that he wants to play for them. Especially with multiple reports now saying he wants the spotlight and is intrigued by the history and prestige of the Yanks
about not losing and Dominguez is really the only position player I don't want to lose. If they have to include Volpe or Peraza, fine. Pereira? Fine.
Pretty much same here --I would probably try and hold Volpe but I didn't see enough from him last year to believe he's a good or great player in the making. To me he's average across the board but I get that he's very young and only played one year.
then how are Yankee fans going to feel about a rental, just asking? I don't see the Yanks as one player away, they won a grand total of 82 games last year. To me, it depends on who they have to give up. Keep in mind,
the Padres got 2 1/2 years of team control (counting 2024), when trading for Soto.
That's a big difference than one year...
The owner died, apparently their TV deal they had ended too?
I guess that is a reason for them to move payroll.
then how are Yankee fans going to feel about a rental, just asking? I don't see the Yanks as one player away, they won a grand total of 82 games last year. To me, it depends on who they have to give up. Keep in mind,
the Padres got 2 1/2 years of team control (counting 2024), when trading for Soto.
That's a big difference than one year...
The owner died, apparently their TV deal they had ended too?
I guess that is a reason for them to move payroll.
They're not trading any top prospects that will meaningfully impact the team's future. The Padres gave up a whole lot more than what he'll cost the Yankees, even if they were to acquiesce to the Padres initial demands
I’m glad they’re at least trying to hold the line on King.
Neither is the Martian or Peraza. (Btw, Padres are stacked with middle infield prospects so this is not surprising on Volpe/Peraza. They need MLB ready pitching to continue to compete for the Wild Card, which is why they're insisting on King.)
I really don't think the Yankees pull the trigger on Soto
without being committed to doing what it takes to re-sign him.
They only won 82 games, yes, but with pretty much everything going sideways for them aside from Cole. They do need to do more to improve the lineup than just Soto, yes, but sometimes people talk about them as if they're a baseball version of the Giants, and that's not the case.
RE: I really don't think the Yankees pull the trigger on Soto
They only won 82 games, yes, but with pretty much everything going sideways for them aside from Cole. They do need to do more to improve the lineup than just Soto, yes, but sometimes people talk about them as if they're a baseball version of the Giants, and that's not the case.
Couldn’t agree more. Soto (hopefully), Gleyber and Rizzo will all be extra motivated in contract years, and are good players to begin with. Judge is Judge, and will likely have better injury luck this season. Trevino/Wells is a solid catcher combo. Volpe won’t be overmatched for half the year like he was as a rook. Hold your breath for DJ, a healthy Martian at some point, and obviously Stanton. I think the Yankees will be a contender next season, and said that on game threads during the depths of last season.
Exactly Greg the over the top destroying of the Yankees in here
Is crazy at times. Yes the offense sucked last year, but they're looking to improve it. They can't have worse pitching luck this year. Also I agree when have the Yanks wanted to keep their own and were unsuccessful outside of maybe Cano? It's worth the risk. The "we're not one player away" argument is so overused around here for all sports. No team is ever one player away. You always look to improve. More often than not prospects disappoint.
without being committed to doing what it takes to re-sign him.
They only won 82 games, yes, but with pretty much everything going sideways for them aside from Cole. They do need to do more to improve the lineup than just Soto, yes, but sometimes people talk about them as if they're a baseball version of the Giants, and that's not the case.
Frankly they would be idiots to trade 5-7 players for Soto anad not be committed to resigning him.
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Alex Cora: "I called Aaron Boone yesterday, FaceTimed him, and he gave me this kinda-like smile, this look. He was very happy. So something big might happen over there."
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BREAKING: The New York Yankees are acquiring outfielder Alex Verdugo in a trade with the Boston Red Sox for right-handeres Richard Fitts, Greg Weissert and Nicholas Judice, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN.
Me neither. They’ll add someone like Verdugo and pass on Soto and Bellinger
Generational hitter.
I wanted the Yanks to sign Harper badly. I haven't wanted them to make a move this much since then.
Generational hitter.
I wanted the Yanks to sign Harper badly. I haven't wanted them to make a move this much since then.
I thought I saw Boras say Soto won't sign until free agency, but I can be wrong
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this would make up for so many wrongs.
Generational hitter.
I wanted the Yanks to sign Harper badly. I haven't wanted them to make a move this much since then.
I thought I saw Boras say Soto won't sign until free agency, but I can be wrong
Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
Generational hitter.
I wanted the Yanks to sign Harper badly. I haven't wanted them to make a move this much since then.
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Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
When was the last time the Yankees wanted to retain one of their big FA's and missed out? I'm confident if they pay the cost it'll take to get him that they'll keep him even if it's not an immediate extension. An offseason headlined by Soto and Yamamoto would be a home run and they appear to be the favorites for both of them as of now, which means they'll likely get neither and probably strike out on Bellinger as well.
8th in OPS last year, an OBP equivalent to Freeman and Diaz who both hit 330. All of the advanced stats are nearly equal to his career averages, including his 2021 season where be put up monster numbers. There's nothing to suggest he's not the same player he's always been.
I think they wanted him back, but not for the absurd contract he got from Seattle.
And I was fine with that....until they then blew $150 million on Ellsbury.
He's a phenomenal left handed hitter with pull power. With that short porch, his plate discipline, how in the world can you say that?
Have any names leaked who have been shared? I can't click the link.
Have any names leaked who have been shared? I can't click the link.
All it says is that they’re interested in Dominguez, Volpe, King, Thorpe but not that those names have been offered by the Yankees
Have any names leaked who have been shared? I can't click the link.
Agreed.
Re: names, all he said was:
"While the exact names are not known, the Padres are said to be looking at top prospects/rookies like Jasson Dominguez and Anthony Volpe, young major league pitchers in the Michael King/Clarke Schmidt category, and more. That is standard behavior at the beginning of trade talks for a superstar player. It was also standard behavior for the Yankees to say no, but want to keep talking."
My guess is if a deal gets done it'll be headlined by Spencer Jones and either King or Schmidt.
He's a phenomenal left handed hitter with pull power. With that short porch, his plate discipline, how in the world can you say that?
From Statcast, Soto's expected HRs if played every game as home stadium (based on 2022, 35 actual):
CIN: 38
MIL: 37
CUB: 36
LAD: 36
COL: 35
SEA: 35
CHW: 34
NYM: 34
PHI: 34
SDP: 33
HOU: 33
TOR: 32
TBR: 32
MIN: 32
WAS: 32
ATL: 31
TEX: 31
LAA: 31
ARI: 30
STL: 30
OAK: 30
DET: 29
BAL: 29
BOS: 28
SFG: 28
MIA: 28
CLE: 27
KCR: 27
NYY: 27
PIT: 26
His history is that he hits to all fields and would lose homers in Death Valley. He could perhaps adjust to the porch, but that's an unknown.
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Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
When was the last time the Yankees wanted to retain one of their big FA's and missed out? I'm confident if they pay the cost it'll take to get him that they'll keep him even if it's not an immediate extension. An offseason headlined by Soto and Yamamoto would be a home run and they appear to be the favorites for both of them as of now, which means they'll likely get neither and probably strike out on Bellinger as well.
Outside of Judge who is that in the last 15 years? He’s not one of their “own” FAs in sense it’s one year audition. The Boras factor is also huge. Mets will make a huge bid if he hits FA.
I would like them to get this deal done with Schmidt and not King, but if I were the Padres I'd want the opposite.
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Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
When was the last time the Yankees wanted to retain one of their big FA's and missed out? I'm confident if they pay the cost it'll take to get him that they'll keep him even if it's not an immediate extension. An offseason headlined by Soto and Yamamoto would be a home run and they appear to be the favorites for both of them as of now, which means they'll likely get neither and probably strike out on Bellinger as well.
Outside of Judge who is that in the last 15 years? He’s not one of their “own” FAs in sense it’s one year audition. The Boras factor is also huge. Mets will make a huge bid if he hits FA.
The point is you get him in the building, there is a certain cachet that goes with playing for the Yankees and putting on the pinstripes. They haven't failed to resign any rentals they wanted to keep either with Rizzo being the most recent example.
I think they'll try and keep Dominguez given the gaping hole in CF and make up the difference with other pieces if possible.
Most of what I have read suggests that the Padres will be most keen on pitching prospects with MLB-proximity, given they they still intend on competing and are losing something like 800 starter IPs to free agency.
My opener here would be Thorpe, Pereira, Schmidt.
Some combination of Spencer Jones, some young pitching, and some A ball lottery tickets - I think this gets done.
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And I don’t think they really wanted him back
I think they wanted him back, but not for the absurd contract he got from Seattle.
And I was fine with that....until they then blew $150 million on Ellsbury.
me too.
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Me neither. They’ll add someone like Verdugo and pass on Soto and Bellinger
Lmao. Clueless. The Verdugo trade was never going to happen.
Most of what I have read suggests that the Padres will be most keen on pitching prospects with MLB-proximity, given they they still intend on competing and are losing something like 800 starter IPs to free agency.
My opener here would be Thorpe, Pereira, Schmidt.
I'd also have to imagine that given the Padres aspirations to compete this year, they'd want to move him to an AL team which limits the suitors.
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Poor fielder in left in the Stadium? Defensive disaster. And his hitting doesn't stack up well in the Stadium either. Pass on this guy.
He's a phenomenal left handed hitter with pull power. With that short porch, his plate discipline, how in the world can you say that?
That’s easy, they’re just another whiny, clueless moron Yankee fan.
Most of what I have read suggests that the Padres will be most keen on pitching prospects with MLB-proximity, given they they still intend on competing and are losing something like 800 starter IPs to free agency.
My opener here would be Thorpe, Pereira, Schmidt.
Agreed. If he was coming with 5 years worth of control, parting with Dominguez makes sense. I doubt it takes Dominguez
The team that trades prospects for a star-level player wins the deal a very very high percentage of the time.
Right. Neither of these guys are getting any younger. Given the amount of money they're paying those two, it's insanity not to go all out for such a major improvement to the roster.
With analytics, about 1/2 season
I'll be dipped in shit and covered in rainbow sprinkles.
Not that this is likely but these moves will get them to the World Series as favorites
- Yankees are definitely the favorites for Soto right now and the teams are engaged in talks, could see it getting done at the winter meetings
- Soto is the Yankees main focus right now as far as bats go, the Yankees really want him and are the main team right now and have a good chance of getting him
- Said Volpe isn't going anywhere and he doesn't think Jasson will be in the deal either when it shakes out but SD likes Jasson a lot as well as Drew Thorpe
- When things eventually shake out and if there's a deal, he thinks it'll be players like King and Schmidt headlining the deal, maybe Spencer Jones but the Yankees would like to keep him
- If they don't get Soto, they'll look at Bellinger and won't rule out Bellinger + Soto but thinks it's more likely they fill their CF void through a trade like Grisham being included in the Soto deal or maybe signing Jung Hoo Lee
- People with the Yankees he's spoken to said they feel really good about what they've heard so far re: Yamamoto
- Lastly, he's confident that the Yankees will do something big this offseason, doesn't see at least one major move not happening and probably more than one
- Yankees are definitely the favorites for Soto right now and the teams are engaged in talks, could see it getting done at the winter meetings
- Soto is the Yankees main focus right now as far as bats go, the Yankees really want him and are the main team right now and have a good chance of getting him
- Said Volpe isn't going anywhere and he doesn't think Jasson will be in the deal either when it shakes out but SD likes Jasson a lot as well as Drew Thorpe
- When things eventually shake out and if there's a deal, he thinks it'll be players like King and Schmidt headlining the deal, maybe Spencer Jones but the Yankees would like to keep him
- If they don't get Soto, they'll look at Bellinger and won't rule out Bellinger + Soto but thinks it's more likely they fill their CF void through a trade like Grisham being included in the Soto deal or maybe signing Jung Hoo Lee
- People with the Yankees he's spoken to said they feel really good about what they've heard so far re: Yamamoto
- Lastly, he's confident that the Yankees will do something big this offseason, doesn't see at least one major move not happening and probably more than one
This is good news
Dont see that happening. Scott Boras almost always steers his guys to free agency, and Soto might be the biggest free agent he has ever represented
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Dont see that happening. Scott Boras almost always steers his guys to free agency, and Soto might be the biggest free agent he has ever represented
If that is the case, walk away. You don't trade top prospects for a 1 year rental.
- Yankees are definitely the favorites for Soto right now and the teams are engaged in talks, could see it getting done at the winter meetings
- Soto is the Yankees main focus right now as far as bats go, the Yankees really want him and are the main team right now and have a good chance of getting him
- Said Volpe isn't going anywhere and he doesn't think Jasson will be in the deal either when it shakes out but SD likes Jasson a lot as well as Drew Thorpe
- When things eventually shake out and if there's a deal, he thinks it'll be players like King and Schmidt headlining the deal, maybe Spencer Jones but the Yankees would like to keep him
- If they don't get Soto, they'll look at Bellinger and won't rule out Bellinger + Soto but thinks it's more likely they fill their CF void through a trade like Grisham being included in the Soto deal or maybe signing Jung Hoo Lee
- People with the Yankees he's spoken to said they feel really good about what they've heard so far re: Yamamoto
- Lastly, he's confident that the Yankees will do something big this offseason, doesn't see at least one major move not happening and probably more than one
Drew Thorpe is really good.. He’s the one guy I think will be really valuable for us going forward. Welp, we’ll see what it costs but IId rather not lose him.
I'm a Mets fan and wish he were coming here. But the Yankees are more win-now, I think, and Mets are carrying too much dead $ this year. He'd massively improve either lineup.
Pretty surprising. He's cooked
I'm a Mets fan and wish he were coming here. But the Yankees are more win-now, I think, and Mets are carrying too much dead $ this year. He'd massively improve either lineup.
FWIW, if Soto is truly a DH prospect because of poor fielding not sure that they need another DH.
Why is he a poor fielder? I guy of that athletic ability should easily reach average fielder level if he was interested. For 10 years $400+ mill he'd better be able to play decent OF.
I wouldn’t say he’s cooked though. He still can throw heat, just with no command.
Saw a chart a few weeks ago that showed how many HRs he would have had last season based on playing his home games in each park. Believe it or not, he would have hit the fewest home runs if he had played his home games in Yankee Stadium. Makes no sense.
Not for a rental. For comparison look at what the Sox got for Mookie.
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He’s a .275 hitter hitting 30+ homers while walking more than he strikes out. I don’t think there’s anything to concerned about. I think we’ll see a bump in the average and power numbers in Yankee stadium as well.
Saw a chart a few weeks ago that showed how many HRs he would have had last season based on playing his home games in each park. Believe it or not, he would have hit the fewest home runs if he had played his home games in Yankee Stadium. Makes no sense.
I think that’s projecting his approach is the same exact and he’d lose homers in Death Valley and assuming he won’t change his approach to take advantage of the porch.
I think he’s a good enough hitter he will adjust to the porch, it may come at the expense of a few points of BA but the homers will make up for it
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He's got the highest upside of any of their young guys, at least among those above rookie ball.
Not for a rental. For comparison look at what the Sox got for Mookie.
In hindsight it looks pretty bad but at the time Verdugo was as highly regarded as Jasson and Downs was a top 100 guy. Plus the Dodgers took on Price’s deal
Schmidt, Vasquez, Brito, Hampton and Pereira. We can throw in a couple of bullpen arms too.
Take it or leave it. I wouldn't do more than that.
Someone on this thread was calling everyone names back in July because he thought the Yanks would turn it around. Just pathetic.
I agree Dave - (and you probably know I’m a Mets fan). I’m not thrilled with this signing at all. I’m actually on here because I think the Soto acquisition is very good. Batting behind Judge. I figured some of the Sevy news was mentioned here and wanted your guys (Yankee fans) take.
Schmidt, Vasquez, Brito, Hampton and Pereira. We can throw in a couple of bullpen arms too.
Take it or leave it. I wouldn't do more than that.
Too much for a 1 year rental. I'd say Michael King, Spencer Jones and 1 of Drew Thorpe/Chase Hampton
Someone on this thread was calling everyone names back in July because he thought the Yanks would turn it around. Just pathetic.
I don't understand why they'd sign Sevy over Nick Martinez who's far less risky and got essentially the same money but an extra year. Makes me wonder if the Mets plan on resetting the tax next year.
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He’s a .275 hitter hitting 30+ homers while walking more than he strikes out. I don’t think there’s anything to concerned about. I think we’ll see a bump in the average and power numbers in Yankee stadium as well.
Saw a chart a few weeks ago that showed how many HRs he would have had last season based on playing his home games in each park. Believe it or not, he would have hit the fewest home runs if he had played his home games in Yankee Stadium. Makes no sense.
I think that’s projecting his approach is the same exact and he’d lose homers in Death Valley and assuming he won’t change his approach to take advantage of the porch.
I think he’s a good enough hitter he will adjust to the porch, it may come at the expense of a few points of BA but the homers will make up for it
While it's a small sample size, Soto has 5 HR's in 9 career games at YS (also hit 310 but BA with that sample size isn't indicative of much).
I'll be dipped in shit and covered in rainbow sprinkles.
Actually,if they do trade for Soto,Kiermaier would probably be the other LH hitting OF they sign. Yanks seem committed to Dominguez as their CF,so when he returns June/July,Kiermaier becomes the backup OF & for those crying about Soto's defense,he could replace him in late innings(although I wouldn't want to take his bat out of the lineup). Acquiring both Soto & Bellinger won't work unless they somehow can move Stanton,so once Dominguez returns, they could rotate OFers in the DH spot.
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He's got the highest upside of any of their young guys, at least among those above rookie ball.
Not for a rental. For comparison look at what the Sox got for Mookie.
In hindsight it looks pretty bad but at the time Verdugo was as highly regarded as Jasson and Downs was a top 100 guy. Plus the Dodgers took on Price’s deal
One major difference is Mookie wanted to sign a deal and then did before he even played a game for the Dodgers. By all accounts, Soto wants to be a FA and so this really is just a rental.
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I am reading comments that the Yankees should avoid Juan Soto and take a safer path with Kevin Keirmaier.
I'll be dipped in shit and covered in rainbow sprinkles.
Actually,if they do trade for Soto,Kiermaier would probably be the other LH hitting OF they sign. Yanks seem committed to Dominguez as their CF,so when he returns June/July,Kiermaier becomes the backup OF & for those crying about Soto's defense,he could replace him in late innings(although I wouldn't want to take his bat out of the lineup). Acquiring both Soto & Bellinger won't work unless they somehow can move Stanton,so once Dominguez returns, they could rotate OFers in the DH spot.
Sure - there's a version of the world where Keirmaier makes sense here...as a stopgap. But if that is anywhere close to the biggest move of the outfield "upgrade", they did not understand the assignment.
More specifically, it makes my head spin to see someone say that they hope the Yankees pass on a Soto trade and head in the direction of a Kevin Kiermaier. Opinions are just that, and mine is that take is batshit crazy.
Sure - there's a version of the world where Keirmaier makes sense here...as a stopgap. But if that is anywhere close to the biggest move of the outfield "upgrade", they did not understand the assignment.
More specifically, it makes my head spin to see someone say that they hope the Yankees pass on a Soto trade and head in the direction of a Kevin Kiermaier. Opinions are just that, and mine is that take is batshit crazy.
I don't recall anyone saying that...
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
While it's a small sample size, Soto has 5 HR's in 9 career games at YS (also hit 310 but BA with that sample size isn't indicative of much).
As you say, small sample, but interesting stat and I was interested in the Yankee pitchers and where the HRs were hit. Courtesy of Baseball Reference:
2018 (rookie season)
Chad Green (RF) (Soto's first MLB game)
Sonny Gray (LF line)
Chasen Shreve (CF-RF)
2021
Luis Cessa (LF-CF)
2023
Randy Vasquez (RF)
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
Ok, so one poster.....
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not a strawman.
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
Ok, so one poster.....
I'm sure you have a point here, but I'm having trouble finding it. I pointed out what I found to be a completely insane take. That is bothering you in some way, and I want to wish you well in dealing with that feeling.
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not a strawman.
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
Ok, so one poster.....
I'm sure you have a point here, but I'm having trouble finding it. I pointed out what I found to be a completely insane take. That is bothering you in some way, and I want to wish you well in dealing with that feeling.
You did say someONE...ok
But I think trading a boatload for Soto without a long term deal in hand is insane. If the people included are 2nd level prospects ok. Maybe you give up one top prospect and a couple 2nd levels, but why would you give up a treasure trove for a 1 year rental. Yes they could use his bat(or any bat), without question. But a liability in the field...
Now if they can off load Stanton, absolutely. That changes everything.
numbers I've seen speculated for KK are in the range of $20M over 2 years. Not my money, but they do seem to operate with limits. Kiermaier posted a 104 wRC+ last year (which was his best season in the last 6), and expected metrics would suggest that it was better than he deserved. I'd just as soon bring back Bader for less money if we are talking about a seat-warming situation.
I'm all for ramping up left-handedness in the lineup....with good hitters. And KK is not a good hitter.
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Very good defensive CF who can keep the spot warm until Dominguez gets back. But if they miss out on Soto and Bellinger to sign Kiermaier, that would be pretty bad -- similar to when the Yanks passed on the loaded SS FA class to sign IKF
numbers I've seen speculated for KK are in the range of $20M over 2 years. Not my money, but they do seem to operate with limits. Kiermaier posted a 104 wRC+ last year (which was his best season in the last 6), and expected metrics would suggest that it was better than he deserved. I'd just as soon bring back Bader for less money if we are talking about a seat-warming situation.
I'm all for ramping up left-handedness in the lineup....with good hitters. And KK is not a good hitter.
KK is an excellent OF, probably better than Bader. He is awful at the plate. Rays batted him 8th or 9th, IIRC?
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not a strawman.
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
Ok, so one poster.....
I'm sure you have a point here, but I'm having trouble finding it. I pointed out what I found to be a completely insane take. That is bothering you in some way, and I want to wish you well in dealing with that feeling.
You did say someONE...ok
But I think trading a boatload for Soto without a long term deal in hand is insane. If the people included are 2nd level prospects ok. Maybe you give up one top prospect and a couple 2nd levels, but why would you give up a treasure trove for a 1 year rental. Yes they could use his bat(or any bat), without question. But a liability in the field...
Now if they can off load Stanton, absolutely. That changes everything.
these things are subjective, of course. and you are right that the trade price matters.
My opinion is based on 2 beliefs:
1) I view Soto as a surefire first ballot hall of famer when it's said and done. He's one of the best hitters I've watched. He's got a career .946 OPS, and he hasn't even had any of those years yet that you can point to and say "I'll be that's his career year". In every year of his career post age 21, he has walked more than he has struck out. He's 25 years old and very likely has not peaked yet.
2) I don't think it will take tippy-top tier prospects to land him. His agent has been vocal about no extension until FA, and everyone knows that San Diego is a financial dumpster fire right now. They are under some duress to unload money, and everyone knows it. I think it can be done without a Domniguez, Volpe, Peraza. If the lead piece is a Spencer Jones or Drew Thorpe, I think that's fine price to pay.
A package like Thorpe, Schmidt, Pereira wouldn't bother me at all. I think he's that good, and I think they should go into it with the mindset that they will do whatever it takes to make him like NY and re-sign him whether now or at the end of the season.
I'm not sure how many teams would be willing to outbid that package. Only a handful of teams will likely be at the table to pay him $400-500M, and I would expect that only teams who realistically will try to re-sign him would enter the trade talks now.
I'm very likely in the minority on this point -- but I'd quite frankly rather have Soto than Ohtani. Largely due to his age, but that's how good I think he is.
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Very good defensive CF who can keep the spot warm until Dominguez gets back. But if they miss out on Soto and Bellinger to sign Kiermaier, that would be pretty bad -- similar to when the Yanks passed on the loaded SS FA class to sign IKF
numbers I've seen speculated for KK are in the range of $20M over 2 years. Not my money, but they do seem to operate with limits. Kiermaier posted a 104 wRC+ last year (which was his best season in the last 6), and expected metrics would suggest that it was better than he deserved. I'd just as soon bring back Bader for less money if we are talking about a seat-warming situation.
I'm all for ramping up left-handedness in the lineup....with good hitters. And KK is not a good hitter.
KK is an excellent OF, probably better than Bader. He is awful at the plate. Rays batted him 8th or 9th, IIRC?
yes, something like that. It's all about offense to me. Offense is the reason that the Yankees have sucked in recent years (relative to their own standard). Complete players are great, but I'm absolutely willing to sacrifice a little bit of defense especially for an elite bat. Soto can credibly play the outfield. It absolutely isn't his strength but a lot of the commentary about his shortcomings with the glove are overcooked.
these things are subjective, of course. and you are right that the trade price matters.
My opinion is based on 2 beliefs:
1) I view Soto as a surefire first ballot hall of famer when it's said and done. He's one of the best hitters I've watched. He's got a career .946 OPS, and he hasn't even had any of those years yet that you can point to and say "I'll be that's his career year". In every year of his career post age 21, he has walked more than he has struck out. He's 25 years old and very likely has not peaked yet.
2) I don't think it will take tippy-top tier prospects to land him. His agent has been vocal about no extension until FA, and everyone knows that San Diego is a financial dumpster fire right now. They are under some duress to unload money, and everyone knows it. I think it can be done without a Domniguez, Volpe, Peraza. If the lead piece is a Spencer Jones or Drew Thorpe, I think that's fine price to pay.
A package like Thorpe, Schmidt, Pereira wouldn't bother me at all. I think he's that good, and I think they should go into it with the mindset that they will do whatever it takes to make him like NY and re-sign him whether now or at the end of the season.
I'm not sure how many teams would be willing to outbid that package. Only a handful of teams will likely be at the table to pay him $400-500M, and I would expect that only teams who realistically will try to re-sign him would enter the trade talks now.
I'm very likely in the minority on this point -- but I'd quite frankly rather have Soto than Ohtani. Largely due to his age, but that's how good I think he is.
I can agree with this...
as far as Ohtani, I am not so fond of him requiring a team to let him pitch as well as DH full time. Either be a pitcher or a fielder/DH, eve if he is a remarkable player.
You did say someONE...ok
But I think trading a boatload for Soto without a long term deal in hand is insane. If the people included are 2nd level prospects ok. Maybe you give up one top prospect and a couple 2nd levels, but why would you give up a treasure trove for a 1 year rental. Yes they could use his bat(or any bat), without question. But a liability in the field...
Now if they can off load Stanton, absolutely. That changes everything.
Most of the Yankees prospects are 2nd level prospects anyways if Volpe and Dominguez aren't on the table, especially if they mostly want MLB or near-MLB pitching. I'd imagine King and/or Schmidt will need to be in the deal to get it done (more likely King but who knows).
Baseball America has:
55. Dominguez
69. Pereira
76. Jones
96. Thorpe
You mean all 11 games Dominguez played?
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I am reading comments that the Yankees should avoid Juan Soto and take a safer path with Kevin Keirmaier.
I'll be dipped in shit and covered in rainbow sprinkles.
Actually,if they do trade for Soto,Kiermaier would probably be the other LH hitting OF they sign. Yanks seem committed to Dominguez as their CF,so when he returns June/July,Kiermaier becomes the backup OF & for those crying about Soto's defense,he could replace him in late innings(although I wouldn't want to take his bat out of the lineup). Acquiring both Soto & Bellinger won't work unless they somehow can move Stanton,so once Dominguez returns, they could rotate OFers in the DH spot.
Sure - there's a version of the world where Keirmaier makes sense here...as a stopgap. But if that is anywhere close to the biggest move of the outfield "upgrade", they did not understand the assignment.
More specifically, it makes my head spin to see someone say that they hope the Yankees pass on a Soto trade and head in the direction of a Kevin Kiermaier. Opinions are just that, and mine is that take is batshit crazy.
As I said previously,If they trade for Soto,Kiermaier makes sense from a financial & team standpoint. He certainly wouldn't be the major OF upgrade, but would fit in perfectly.short & long term! If the Soto deal falls through, I then could see them going after Bellinger & Lee!
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
I suppose they survived Reggie Jackson in RF.
The Yankees should pair Soto with a fast CFer who has great range. It's doable. Just me grousing I guess.
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
Yeah, let's run it back and pass on trading for one of the best hitters in the sport. Surely Judge will hit 70 HR's next year to get us over the hump.
Give them Schimdt, Hampton, both Brito and Vasquez, plus Pereira. But not more than that.
DJ
Soto
Judge
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Martino said they want King and cash and talks are stalled. Not sure why
Olney was on Kay and said everyone is likely going to be completely underwhelmed by the return the Padres get and that there just aren’t many teams in on Soto because of his pending free agency.
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What could ultimately lead the Yankees and Padres closer to an agreement are talks centered around Clarke Schmidt and other prospects. Dominguez, volpe, peraza, wells, Torres currently not involved
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What could ultimately lead the Yankees and Padres closer to an agreement are talks centered around Clarke Schmidt and other prospects. Dominguez, volpe, peraza, wells, Torres currently not involved
If none of those guys are involved make the deal. Can’t let him go to Toronto
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What could ultimately lead the Yankees and Padres closer to an agreement are talks centered around Clarke Schmidt and other prospects. Dominguez, volpe, peraza, wells, Torres currently not involved
If none of those guys are involved make the deal. Can’t let him go to Toronto
I’m not sure I believe the Toronto thing. Word is they have Ohtani at the top of their list. In light of the news the Yanks are playing hard ball this just seems like the Padres leaking a bogus scenario to get the Yankees attention. What better way than to throw out a divisional rival? The timing is too suspect here, imo
Apparently the Padres want BOTH
While risky, reports are similar to how Cashman has always operated/negotiated deals. We know he's stubborn though and could overplay his hand.
He's exactly what the Yanks need, if not for Stanton taking up the DH spot for the next few years. Unless Seattle offers 3/5 of their starting rotation, I wouldn't be in a hurry to include King or Thorpe.
Give them Schimdt, Hampton, both Brito and Vasquez, plus Pereira. But not more than that.
If the Yanks do end up trading for Soto (and signing him), I would seriously consider trying Judge at first and moving Soto to RF. I think Judge is a good enough athlete to play first.
He's exactly what the Yanks need, if not for Stanton taking up the DH spot for the next few years. Unless Seattle offers 3/5 of their starting rotation, I wouldn't be in a hurry to include King or Thorpe.
This sort of reminds me of the Knicks with Donovan Mitchell. While it might be true today that the Yankees are mostly bidding against themselves, that doesn't mean another team won't come out of the woodwork and put together a better offer than what they're asking for from the Yankees now. Unlike with Mitchell though, you have the added risk of Ohtani signing and then the suitors who are left out jumping in with desperation offers.
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
This is one of those posts that is more than likely going to age poorly. For his age his production so far has him on an easy hall of Fame trajectory.
It'll be funny if they describe him as a shitty fielding 270 hitter with 30 hr pop at his Cooperstown induction ceremony.
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
This is one of those posts that is more than likely going to age poorly. For his age his production so far has him on an easy hall of Fame trajectory.
It'll be funny if they describe him as a shitty fielding 270 hitter with 30 hr pop at his Cooperstown induction ceremony.
I would never understand someone not wanting a top 5 bat in the league who hasn't even hit his prime.
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to put 2 fielders in LF and without a 3B if Volpe’s defensive metrics are to be believed.
Give them Schimdt, Hampton, both Brito and Vasquez, plus Pereira. But not more than that.
If the Yanks do end up trading for Soto (and signing him), I would seriously consider trying Judge at first and moving Soto to RF. I think Judge is a good enough athlete to play first.
Why would you take a Gold Glove RF & move him to first,weakening 2 positions?
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
Wow,just wow! His BB/K ratio isn't that great? He's led the league in BBs 3 years,including last year where he walked(132)more than he struck out(129).His OBP is always over .400,had 12 SBs last year(so he can run).He's only 25 & has yet to peak.Let's get him in Pinstripes for next season & see if you're calling him an "Above Average Player" next October!
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
Not even close. Stanton being as big as he is, was bound to breakdown. And look at the age difference!!!!
I'm not sure I would make King the sticking point, like the Yankees are apparently trying initially. I like King, but overall their development of starting pitching has not been stellar and he is nowhere near special, which Soto is.
I'm not sure I would make King the sticking point, like the Yankees are apparently trying initially. I like King, but overall their development of starting pitching has not been stellar and he is nowhere near special, which Soto is.
I haven’t really seen that the Padres are insisting on any of Dominguez, Volpe or Peraza. At least from anyone reputable. It seems there strong preference is young, cost controlled SP
Schmidt, Brito, Vazquez and Hampton are 4 present or almost ready SP they can plug in this year. Plus Pereira. Peraza probably isn't as appealing to them because of Merrill.
If we have to sub Jones for Pereira, so be it. I don't know if there is enough separation in between Hampton and Thorpe to let it be a sticking point.
None of them are top 30 prospects, given our recent track record probably at most 1 of the lot will turn into anything.
King I'd like to keep though.
With the passing of their owner, shedding those mega contracts may be more important than winning right now.
Schmidt, Brito, Vazquez and Hampton are 4 present or almost ready SP they can plug in this year. Plus Pereira. Peraza probably isn't as appealing to them because of Merrill.
If we have to sub Jones for Pereira, so be it. I don't know if there is enough separation in between Hampton and Thorpe to let it be a sticking point.
None of them are top 30 prospects, given our recent track record probably at most 1 of the lot will turn into anything.
King I'd like to keep though.
Given Cashman's recent track record (Ellsbury being the exception), more likely I think he would instead try to prove he's the smartest guy in the room by acquiring players on the cheap that at best would improve the team a bit at the margins. To me, that is the worst case scenario.
With the passing of their owner, shedding those mega contracts may be more important than winning right now.
There's no way they can sell their fanbase on losing all their key FA's and 2 of their 3 best players after the albatross contract they gave Bogaerts last year. Plus Tatis has a lot of value on that contract at his age, if they just wanted to shed his salary they could get a good return from another team.
With the passing of their owner, shedding those mega contracts may be more important than winning right now.
There are rumors that Soto and Tatis can’t stand each other. And neither one can stand Machado. They had some pretty significant locker room issues last season, which may explain their completely disappointing season
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
How can you possibly say his BB/K ratio isn't that great in today's game? That's a baffling statement.
if they add Yamamoto too the Yankees are like one of the NBA super teams.
what Yankees fan is against trading for Soto? You don't get 25 year olds come available with his skill set very often, if ever.
if they add Yamamoto too the Yankees are like one of the NBA super teams.
what Yankees fan is against trading for Soto? You don't get 25 year olds come available with his skill set very often, if ever.
That’s just rnargi being rnargi…
99.9% of Yankees fans know that landing Soto without giving up Dominguez or Volpe is a no brainer
if they add Yamamoto too the Yankees are like one of the NBA super teams.
what Yankees fan is against trading for Soto? You don't get 25 year olds come available with his skill set very often, if ever.
I'm with you 100%. I think some fans are just scarred by recent big acquisitions that have backfired badly. This isn't one of those though
Get Yammamoto, Soto and Bellinger/Lee and add from there.
Spend the money to support the huge dollars tied up in Cole and Judge or move both of them.
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I think they wanted him back, but not for the absurd contract he got from Seattle.
And I was fine with that....until they then blew $150 million on Ellsbury.
I would have given Cano a 10-year contract. With him, they win maybe two WS's. Without him, none. Who cares that he'll get old, useless and still cost money. These are inflationary times.
I actually like King more than Thorpe. Thorpe throws in the low 90’s, even with a great CU and a workable slider I don’t know what his ceiling is. Schmidt has to be in the deal, apparently SD asked for both Brito and Vazquez as well, no problem there, and let’s push for Hampton instead of Thorpe. But Thorpe shouldn’t be a deal breaker. If Thorpe is included, then maybe an OF doesn’t need to be involved. I can definitely live with trading Pereira though.
Baseball-wise Soto is a no brainer, but Boras is his agent. He’s not giving a hometown discount and probably will command 450M while going to the highest bidder.
Soto to Toronto would be no bueno, but they don’t have much ML ready pitching to trade except for Tidenman.
I actually like King more than Thorpe. Thorpe throws in the low 90’s, even with a great CU and a workable slider I don’t know what his ceiling is. Schmidt has to be in the deal, apparently SD asked for both Brito and Vazquez as well, no problem there, and let’s push for Hampton instead of Thorpe. But Thorpe shouldn’t be a deal breaker. If Thorpe is included, then maybe an OF doesn’t need to be involved. I can definitely live with trading Pereira though.
Baseball-wise Soto is a no brainer, but Boras is his agent. He’s not giving a hometown discount and probably will command 450M while going to the highest bidder.
Soto to Toronto would be no bueno, but they don’t have much ML ready pitching to trade except for Tidenman.
I like King but the injury history is worrisome and they'd be selling high with only 2 years of control left anyways. It'd hurt to part with him but as a centerpiece of a Soto deal I think it's a no-brainer. Just a question of what else has to go with him.
You mean all 11 games Dominguez played?
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You mean all 11 games Dominguez played?
I mean since his arrival in the Yankees organization.
He began lighting it up the past year and a half. Kind of happens with 16-18 year olds playing over the expected age bracket or minor league level.
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And I don’t think they really wanted him back
I think they wanted him back, but not for the absurd contract he got from Seattle.
And I was fine with that....until they then blew $150 million on Ellsbury.
I would have given Cano a 10-year contract. With him, they win maybe two WS's. Without him, none. Who cares that he'll get old, useless and still cost money. These are inflationary times.
You are probably right about the pitchers. If Volpe has to go, they have Peraza to step in at SS.
Yep, this appears to be coming down to which pitchers and how many of them. At least for now, SD seems to want all of them.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental.
I'm not a scout and neither are you. I don't think going to games at Somerset makes you more informed or better able to evaluate him than the guys who put together the lists for Baseball America or MLB.com. They're certainly more informed than I am and given their current opinion, I don't think he should stand in the way of landing Soto (who I don't view as a one-year rental because I think trading for him makes it far more likely than not that he signs a longterm deal at some point).
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You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental.
I didn't just fall off the turnip truck, I've been following Dominguez since they first signed him. I know all about his special skillset, but he has been at best streaky on his way up the minor league ladder.
I'm not a scout and neither are you. I don't think going to games at Somerset makes you more informed or better able to evaluate him than the guys who put together the lists for Baseball America or MLB.com. They're certainly more informed than I am and given their current opinion, I don't think he should stand in the way of landing Soto (who I don't view as a one-year rental because I think trading for him makes it far more likely than not that he signs a longterm deal at some point).
He was playing over his age group at every level and he started to turn it on in AA. I would not deal him without more back from San Diego. Soto is gone next year. They will get a decent deal but they are not entitled to fleece the Yanks.
are not involved in Juan Soto trade talks, per Andy Martino.
Haha, peak entitled Yankee fan shit there.
Haha, peak entitled Yankee fan shit there.
Mets Fan?
It is not entitled. You don't get fleeced by a team that knows it is going to lose a player in FA next year. Padres should look for their best deal, but you do not overpay.
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they want in trades. But the Padres aren’t “entitled to fleece the Yankees”. Lol. The Padres should be content with “a decent deal”.
Haha, peak entitled Yankee fan shit there.
Mets Fan?
It is not entitled. You don't get fleeced by a team that knows it is going to lose a player in FA next year. Padres should look for their best deal, but you do not overpay.
Especially when the Padres are so broke that they had to take loans to make payroll.
Don’t have the actual list tho.
Don’t have the actual list tho.
Full list is:
1. Jasson
2. Spencer Jones
3. Pereira
4. Hampton
5. Arias
6. Wells
7. Thorpe
8. Lalane
9. Lombard
10. Warren
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Shi on the Blue Jays and Juan Soto
"The sense that I've gotten, unless that price changes from San Diego's current demands, I'm not sure the Blue Jays are involved. But everything in this market (is) very fluid, things can change very quickly."
We'll see what happens but the leaks about Toronto reek of SD trying to put pressure on the Yankees after the Yankees leaked their ask for Soto.
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"Other clubs -- including the Blue Jays -- remain engaged on Soto, as well, but if he’s going to be traded this week, it’s starting to feel like it’s the Yankees or bust."
On Yamamoto:
"The Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Giants and Dodgers are among the teams believed to be targeting Yamamoto, though most people inside the industry believe it could very well come down to an old-fashioned bidding war between the two New York clubs."
Also Warren still top 10.
I usually like MLB.com’s list more.
Also Warren still top 10.
I usually like MLB.com’s list more.
Yeah BA is definitely the outlier when it comes to Thorpe for sure. You’ll see him higher in most rankings
- The Yankees know getting Soto is a move they have to make
- Preller and Cashman have a good relationship and the two sides will "make their way back to each other"
- Reiterated the Padres asked for 7 players and for the Yankees to take on additional salary beyond Soto. Did say he thinks the Yankees are willing to pay a price that "will hurt" but not 7 players
- Yankees will try very hard to hang onto King and see if they can get a deal done without him (didn't say King was untouchable though)
- Yankees feel that there are few teams willing to take on Soto's salary + give up what it'll take to get Soto
- On Yamamoto, the Yankees really want him and feel good about their chances. "When was the last time Brian Cashman flew to Japan to see a player?" Also mentioned Matsui will help recruit him
- They really want to land both Soto and Yamamoto
Pretty surprising to me how confident he seems about Soto. Not sure I've ever heard him talk more passionately about the Yankees needing a player (Soto) before a deal was done. Usually the Yankees use him to temper expectations, so I think we can assume they're confident about getting Soto and to a lesser extent, Yamamoto.
And Hampton and Thorpe's profiles were reversed, so Thorpe is 4 and Hampton 7.
Really high a LaLane. La Grange is his righty counterpart, a Betances 2.0. Not as high on John Cruz.
He thinks they have a top 10 system, but no superstars.
In the end, money talks and the bullshit walks.
Everyone will keep King over Schmidt. Neither Brito and Vazquez would be a big loss. I’d try to trade Fitts, Beeter, and Warren too.
They have to pick the right one to keep between Pereira/Jones, Thorpe/Hampton. Cashman and co haven’t been good at that. Not counting the low A lottery tickets, system is strong in SP and INF, no need to keep them all.
In retrospect, they probably should have dealt Peraza, although we don’t know what Seattle was asking.
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Bob Klapisch heard this from an AL Executive yesterday:
“The Yankees are telling people they’re ahead of the pack on (Yoshinobu) Yamamoto. Like, way ahead.”
Get it done.
Get it done.
Some people think he gets his information directly from the front office and is their unofficial press secretary, fwiw.
Pretty much same here --I would probably try and hold Volpe but I didn't see enough from him last year to believe he's a good or great player in the making. To me he's average across the board but I get that he's very young and only played one year.
the Padres got 2 1/2 years of team control (counting 2024), when trading for Soto.
That's a big difference than one year...
The owner died, apparently their TV deal they had ended too?
I guess that is a reason for them to move payroll.
the Padres got 2 1/2 years of team control (counting 2024), when trading for Soto.
That's a big difference than one year...
The owner died, apparently their TV deal they had ended too?
I guess that is a reason for them to move payroll.
They're not trading any top prospects that will meaningfully impact the team's future. The Padres gave up a whole lot more than what he'll cost the Yankees, even if they were to acquiesce to the Padres initial demands
He was 20/20 as a 22 year old and won a gold glove. Even if the gold glove award is a rather debatable, he played well defensively.
He was a 2 WAR player and numbers would suggest he was a little unlucky if anything.
He can and should cut his strikeout rate from 28% and increase his walk rate from 9%, potentially substantially on both, as he gains experience.
Volpe is going to be a really good player.
They only won 82 games, yes, but with pretty much everything going sideways for them aside from Cole. They do need to do more to improve the lineup than just Soto, yes, but sometimes people talk about them as if they're a baseball version of the Giants, and that's not the case.
Couldn’t agree more. Soto (hopefully), Gleyber and Rizzo will all be extra motivated in contract years, and are good players to begin with. Judge is Judge, and will likely have better injury luck this season. Trevino/Wells is a solid catcher combo. Volpe won’t be overmatched for half the year like he was as a rook. Hold your breath for DJ, a healthy Martian at some point, and obviously Stanton. I think the Yankees will be a contender next season, and said that on game threads during the depths of last season.
They only won 82 games, yes, but with pretty much everything going sideways for them aside from Cole. They do need to do more to improve the lineup than just Soto, yes, but sometimes people talk about them as if they're a baseball version of the Giants, and that's not the case.
Frankly they would be idiots to trade 5-7 players for Soto anad not be committed to resigning him.
Not that being idiots id foreign to them....
Alex Cora: "I called Aaron Boone yesterday, FaceTimed him, and he gave me this kinda-like smile, this look. He was very happy. So something big might happen over there."
And? It is openly talked about in the press and I and sure SD is talking too.
Pretty out of character for Cashman to do that. Makes him look bad if they don't wind up getting him.
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BREAKING: The New York Yankees are acquiring outfielder Alex Verdugo in a trade with the Boston Red Sox for right-handeres Richard Fitts, Greg Weissert and Nicholas Judice, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN.
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in a way fans and media don’t have to. Soto’s not a FA. Just strikes me as uberconfidence that he’s on the way, which works for me.
Pretty out of character for Cashman to do that. Makes him look bad if they don't wind up getting him.
Maybe Cashman is floating trial balloons...