Two more reporters, confirm rift between Martindale and Daboll.
Mike Sando of The Athletic reports that Daboll’s use of the “Patriots Way” behind closed doors is what has led to a falling out with defensive coordinator Wink Martindale, despite what they and the players would have you believe.
“Daboll learned from Bill and Nick, and we all remember Nick undressing Lane Kiffin and Daboll himself at Alabama,” a veteran coach who knows members of the Giants’ staff told Sando. “A guy as established as Wink says, ‘You can yell at the young coaches, but not me.'”
ESPN’s Jordan Raanan, while appearing on the latest episode of Talkin’ Giants, also acknowledged a rift between Daboll and Martindale.
“This is just my opinion on this but he gets on Wink and he gets on him hard. He’s all over him,” Raanan said. “When you’re on this guy and you’re riding him hard, and you’re crushing his defense and questioning the things he’s doing, and the guy is looking across to the other side and he’s like, ‘Your offense is 32nd in the league. We can’t even move the ball. . . And you’re sitting here MFing me and giving me a hard time.’ That’s how the tension builds and that’s why we’re at where we’re at.”
Raanan also reports that others have acknowledged that Daboll is a “hard guy to work for.” “That is something that’s come out,” Raanan said. “I got a text yesterday from somebody out of complete nowhere that said (that).”
The bottom line here is that when Jay Glazer reports something, you can take that something to the bank. The issues between Daboll and Martindale are very real and it will come to a head sooner rather than later.
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Not saying it can’t be true but reporting it as fact is wrong. Trusting a “random text” from Raanan? I’m good.
Not saying it can’t be true but reporting it as fact is wrong. Trusting a “random text” from Raanan? I’m good.
Is it random though? I mean it basically is supporting what a highly respected insider, Jay Glazer, reported. Sando also lends credence to the notion. Anyway, it is more noise.
Let's face it, Wink is a heavyweight himself and is probably deserving of a head coach opportunity in the league. I personally can't blame him for feeling like Daboll should have a different approach with him.
Let's face it, Wink is a heavyweight himself and is probably deserving of a head coach opportunity in the league. I personally can't blame him for feeling like Daboll should have a different approach with him.
Agreed. Wink has the resume where he doesn't deserve to be yelled at by a comparative newbie like Daboll.
If so, I'll bet Wink hangs on until the end of the season and moves on.
Exactly
Wink has been coaching a decade more than Daboll and is about 12 years older.
I'll use the military analogy. Daboll is in the man in charge yes, as he outranks a DC. Daboll is essentially a Lieutenant. A first time head coach (as a first time officer). Daboll is a seasoned DC, essentially a 1st Sergeant. Just because a LT outranks a 1st Sergeant doesn't mean he should be dressing him down. If it was behind closed doors it's bad enough. If in front of others, even worse.
Add to that the defense has performed significantly better this season that the offense, Daboll is not coming out looking too good.
That being said...no coach has done a good job this year on Offense/Defense/STs and if wide-spread changes are made, then so be it.
Agreed. This is what Glazer reported:
“These guys are in a bad place — bad place to the point where I don’t see them actually continuing their relationship after this season, maybe even during this season,” Glazer said of Daboll and Martindale, who never worked together previously. “Could be a mutual parting of the ways. When I talk to people inside that organization, they are saying the tension between these two, you can feel it. It is just getting worse and it’s just odd that it has happened considering how much success they had together last year.”
Wink may not be back, and there may be a rift - but boy these beats are just garbage. Either they know something but were too chicken-shit to share until Glazer did, or they are just fearful of missing out on the scoop so they just propagate the same story as everyone else but don't add anything new. Either way - the quality of the beats is at an all time low - thankfully we still have BBI
There had better be some arguing about a season that got away.
Winning solves it.
No shame.
That’s fine but these are the fruits of a terrible year.
The O-line
The ineffectiveness of Jones, the offense, Waller, etc
Eric Gray/no punt returner
No viable swing tackle
Using an injured kicker in a monsoon
Separate from all the above, Wink’s unit has had a much better season, and he’s had to do it with rookies and young, inexperienced players in Banks, Hawkins, Pinnock, Thibs and McFadden. Then they traded one of his best players in season (we all understand the trade was good) but on the field it hurt Wink’s unit.
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just guys receiving info from unnamed sources and then telling us about it. And there’s a big difference between hard to work with and a rift.
Not saying it can’t be true but reporting it as fact is wrong. Trusting a “random text” from Raanan? I’m good.
Is it random though? I mean it basically is supporting what a highly respected insider, Jay Glazer, reported. Sando also lends credence to the notion. Anyway, it is more noise.
People always bitch about "unnamed sources" but that's how news breaks. Jay Glazer isn't going to go on TV with information he doesn't believe is accurate.
I don't know why it's so hard to believe these two are reportedly butting heads. They have no previous relationship, and Wink was only hired after Patrick Graham left for the Raiders after he was presumed to be Daboll's DC.
Yelling at assistant is not the point. Is it Ryan? The point being made is that there is a falling out between the two that may very well lead to a divorce.
I don’t doubt there is friction, but this nuclear fallout that’s being reported sounds like embellished reporting. Is it ok to trust Glazer and still question how severe this issue actually is? That isn’t denial.
Hopefully McGaughey and Bobby Johnson are let go at the end of the year. Too many negative plays there and OL hasn't had development. Comparatively, the defense has had improvements especially for guys like Thibodeaux, Lawrence, and McFadden. Even Flott has looked much better in his second year.
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Don’t be in denial. Glazer reports it. It’s true. He is one of the most plugged in guys and his whole shtick now is to drop one news story a week. And this was his nugget this week. It’s definitely true and the fact dabs gave wink the game ball. I mean please, that has Hanlons fingerprints all over it
I don’t doubt there is friction, but this nuclear fallout that’s being reported sounds like embellished reporting. Is it ok to trust Glazer and still question how severe this issue actually is? That isn’t denial.
Either way, I think it's pretty obvious that Wink's tenure as DC is going to be over at season's end. Stories like this don't just appear out of thin air. SOMEONE wanted it to be known that Daboll and Wink aren't on the same page.
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Don’t be in denial. Glazer reports it. It’s true. He is one of the most plugged in guys and his whole shtick now is to drop one news story a week. And this was his nugget this week. It’s definitely true and the fact dabs gave wink the game ball. I mean please, that has Hanlons fingerprints all over it
I don’t doubt there is friction, but this nuclear fallout that’s being reported sounds like embellished reporting. Is it ok to trust Glazer and still question how severe this issue actually is? That isn’t denial.
Need to say something about the shitty team in the biggest market.
2) Where there is smoke there is fire
3) Daboll is a bit of a hot head
4) Wink is old enough to not need that shit
5) Defense took over 6 weeks to play a decent game but was the recipient of most of the off season upgrades
6) Offense is worst I have seen in long time
I would bet Wink leaves in the off season.
Rift may have been quashed by beats out of respect, but once Glazer opened that bottle the heresay leaks start.
I really like Wink, but that slow start is not forgiveable and the Jets loss allowing points with 28 seconds and half the field to move was bad defensive play calling. A'Shawn and Nacho were huge upgrades at DT and run defense should have vastly improved. It did not. That is a big failure in my view.
Who's to say he isn't? Kafka isn't on the sidelines so there's no video of them in a "tiff" or whatever you want to call it. But there's ample evidence Daboll hasn't been thrilled with the play-calling on that side of the ball either.
At this point, I'd put Daboll in charge of calling plays like a bunch of other HCs are already doing, let him hire a DC he believes in, make any other changes to the staff (OL, ST, etc) and let him sink or swim.
Belichick and Saban's schtick is often imitated but never duplicated. They are all time greats, that's why they get away with it.
Martindale's from the old school, and doesn't put on airs - despite the composed demeanor. The Buddy Ryan school that got Gilbride punched in the face. Daboll giving Wink shit while his offense is historically and unexplainably bad likely caused this, and it sucks.
Wink's got a very specific scheme and they've spent the last 2 years giving him heavy input into what types of players he needs. And now this?
I'm looking for evidence that Daboll's the right guy and I desperately want to believe, but it's tough.
These guys don't have to like each other, they just need to work together.
Do you really think Daboll doesnt tear kafka a new asshole on a regular basis? You just dont see it because hes up in the booth.
"Mike Sando of The Athletic reports that Daboll’s use of the “Patriots Way” behind closed doors is what has led to a falling out with defensive coordinator Wink Martindale, despite what they and the players would have you believe.
“Daboll learned from Bill and Nick, and we all remember Nick undressing Lane Kiffin and Daboll himself at Alabama,” a veteran coach who knows members of the Giants’ staff told Sando. “A guy as established as Wink says, ‘You can yell at the young coaches, but not me.'”
What is it with former Patriots assistants and being so...headstrong and, dare I say, arrogant?
Personality clashes with a younger boss, nothing new here.
But it's Daboll's team. He's the boss for now. And it's not like the defense isn't kicking butt regularly. They beat bad teams. That's all really.
I'd be interested in Leslie Fraizer next season.
He said not only would Wink likely be gone, but maybe even in-season.
The Giants defense has been healthier by FAR than the offense and has not performed well most of the year. We have been burned by Dallas, Washington- though they didn't score the points, Miami, Seattle (with a banged up QB and many mistakes with a banged up OLINE) and even Arizona for the entire first half and start of the 3rd quarter. Let's not forget the Jets blunder at the end.
The offense has sucked but honestly we have had basically the entire OLINE reshuffled for weeks on end and playing guys off the street at some points. Our QB's have been hurt and playing poorly behind the Oline and our TE has missed a ton of time as well as Barkley missing time.
The defense has had LW, DL, KT, banks, McKinney, Pinnock, BO, Mcfadden etc.. It has been far healthier and still has had poor games and a lack of a killer instinct..
And this sort of thing only rears its ugly head, when a team is bad and is losing.
That's why they got along fine last year, and this year you can add their relationship (or lack thereof) to the rest of the disaster this season has been.
Wink may not be back, and there may be a rift - but boy these beats are just garbage. Either they know something but were too chicken-shit to share until Glazer did, or they are just fearful of missing out on the scoop so they just propagate the same story as everyone else but don't add anything new. Either way - the quality of the beats is at an all time low - thankfully we still have BBI
Nailed it.
I've read enough interviews with Glazer over the years to know that he double sources everything he reports, and that he will never burn a bridge to get a story. He's all about maintaining relationships. If he went with this, it's absolutely legit AND he was doing somebody a favor by putting it out there in that fashion.
So, then, you ask yourself: who wanted this out there in such a splashy fashion?
He said not only would Wink likely be gone, but maybe even in-season.
I completely agree there is friction, but if its so bad that he's talking about leaving during the season, why wouldn't you do it during the bye week?
There's still an outside chance that they're going to be adults about the situation and do what's best for the team until year end. If Wink leaves then, which I don't want him to, then fine. I like him but he isn't the only good DC in the league and we have some in house guys that deserve a shot.
Still, even though I agree about Glazer being one of the 3 most reliable NFL sources, its very odd that not only did the beats seem shocked by this, but the players did too.
This offense couldn't score if their lives depended on it. When your defense is always on the field or playing like they can't give up even one score because they know the offense won't respond, they're gonna get tired and screwed up mentally. It's a miracle they're ranked 26th in defense PPG.
If I had to fire anybody Wink would be last on that list.
Daboll is the HC. Wink wants to be a HC and is certainly not someone who lacks in confidence.
When Wink sees what the offense is doing on the other side (and it has impacted his defense) you can see a conflict emerging especially if he thinks he is being singled out.
I don't think this existed before the season but I believe the Giants had Leslie Frazier in before training camp for a couple days. Maybe someone to keep a eye on.
It is easier for opposing offenses to accumulate more yards and points when the Giants are getting three and outs and punting the ball constantly. Defense has had its own issues, but not nearly as bad as the offense.
This offense couldn't score if their lives depended on it. When your defense is always on the field or playing like they can't give up even one score because they know the offense won't respond, they're gonna get tired and screwed up mentally. It's a miracle they're ranked 26th in defense PPG.
If I had to fire anybody Wink would be last on that list.
Did you not read above how bad the Giants defense ranks? I agree on Kafka. Been sour on his play calling since last year. But that is a different kettle of fish. Wink was given the largest booty of players and it is just as bad as last year. You would expect that getting A'Shawn and Nacho would clearly help the run defense...it hasn't. Even with Okereke and McFadden playing out of their minds they can't stop teams like the Patriots from running. Something is rotten in Denmark...
I think the offense being so bad is probably more of the issue.
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our defense is the only glimmer of hope we have...and that glimmer is small. Kafka is the one who should be getting shit on. It's amazing how ignorant people still are to data. We rank dead last in almost every offensive category and you're gonna get pissed at the D coordinator?
This offense couldn't score if their lives depended on it. When your defense is always on the field or playing like they can't give up even one score because they know the offense won't respond, they're gonna get tired and screwed up mentally. It's a miracle they're ranked 26th in defense PPG.
If I had to fire anybody Wink would be last on that list.
Did you not read above how bad the Giants defense ranks? I agree on Kafka. Been sour on his play calling since last year. But that is a different kettle of fish. Wink was given the largest booty of players and it is just as bad as last year. You would expect that getting A'Shawn and Nacho would clearly help the run defense...it hasn't. Even with Okereke and McFadden playing out of their minds they can't stop teams like the Patriots from running. Something is rotten in Denmark...
Lawrence was out against the Patriots. LW was traded. Top two DTs coming into the season not playing. You seriously can't figure out why the run defense was not as good without those two gone? Robinson and Nacho were signed as depth pieces.
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our defense is the only glimmer of hope we have...and that glimmer is small. Kafka is the one who should be getting shit on. It's amazing how ignorant people still are to data. We rank dead last in almost every offensive category and you're gonna get pissed at the D coordinator?
This offense couldn't score if their lives depended on it. When your defense is always on the field or playing like they can't give up even one score because they know the offense won't respond, they're gonna get tired and screwed up mentally. It's a miracle they're ranked 26th in defense PPG.
If I had to fire anybody Wink would be last on that list.
Did you not read above how bad the Giants defense ranks? I agree on Kafka. Been sour on his play calling since last year. But that is a different kettle of fish. Wink was given the largest booty of players and it is just as bad as last year. You would expect that getting A'Shawn and Nacho would clearly help the run defense...it hasn't. Even with Okereke and McFadden playing out of their minds they can't stop teams like the Patriots from running. Something is rotten in Denmark...
Lawrence was out against the Patriots. LW was traded. Top two DTs coming into the season not playing. You seriously can't figure out why the run defense was not as good without those two gone? Robinson and Nacho were signed as depth pieces.
Seriously? The Patriots stink. You think the GIants were worried about Mac Jones passing? Then take any game, even with LW before the trade. Wink was given the wealth of players. His run defense sucks. The Jets final drive with no timeouts to Zach(worse than Mc Jones) Wilson....
They often have the expectation that they're held to a different standard
I think the offense being so bad is probably more of the issue.
That's true. I'm sure Jim Johnson, Dick LeBeau and Monte Kiffin were chewed out way into their senior years, but the whole "Patriots Way" thing is just weird to me.
These guys don't have to like each other, they just need to work together.
+1
Same as with Daniel Jones, I don't see the rest of the NFL quaking at the thought of facing a Wink Martindale defense.
It isn’t. Doesn’t make his take on things gospel though. And what’s being reported anyway, that Wino may not be here next year? I think that was obvious after the horrific start, same for Kafka. And I think that’s my point, the reports seem to be embellishing what’s already fairly obvious. Making it seem like Wink is about to fight Daboll is unnecessary.
These fuckin guys walk in thinking they're cowboys and theyve never unholstered their revolver in their lives.
It's dangerous. And it wears thin. Literally every one of these MFers that think they got all the answers cuz they worked for a guy end up on the side of the road. All of them.
You do know that people that "vent" have lower risk.....
There's probably is a rift,but I'm not sure I'm buying these versions
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And that is going to mellow him out.
You do know that people that "vent" have lower risk.....
How about abdominal bodyfat as a heart attack risk?
I'm not into bodyshaming, but he is in a high-stress job, and I hope he is taking care of himself.
If you want a coaching staff that you can yell at without getting pushback, find different coaches.
Good leaders find the right way to communicate with people and don't take a one size fits all approach.
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And that is going to mellow him out.
You do know that people that "vent" have lower risk.....
How about abdominal bodyfat as a heart attack risk?
I'm not into bodyshaming, but he is in a high-stress job, and I hope he is taking care of himself.
My post stands because that was what you were saying. Yes he is vastly overweight in a high stress job. Venting releases stress.
I do look at his build and "worry".
This is probably the one thing I do not like about Daboll. Hope it does not bite him in the ass.
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our defense is the only glimmer of hope we have...and that glimmer is small. Kafka is the one who should be getting shit on. It's amazing how ignorant people still are to data. We rank dead last in almost every offensive category and you're gonna get pissed at the D coordinator?
This offense couldn't score if their lives depended on it. When your defense is always on the field or playing like they can't give up even one score because they know the offense won't respond, they're gonna get tired and screwed up mentally. It's a miracle they're ranked 26th in defense PPG.
If I had to fire anybody Wink would be last on that list.
Did you not read above how bad the Giants defense ranks? I agree on Kafka. Been sour on his play calling since last year. But that is a different kettle of fish. Wink was given the largest booty of players and it is just as bad as last year. You would expect that getting A'Shawn and Nacho would clearly help the run defense...it hasn't. Even with Okereke and McFadden playing out of their minds they can't stop teams like the Patriots from running. Something is rotten in Denmark...
No I agree, I guess my anger is more towards the lack of action against Kafka. I'm not saying Wink is the answer, but hearing reports like this make you feel like Kafka is flying under the radar and that's what frustrates me.
2) Where there is smoke there is fire
3) Daboll is a bit of a hot head
4) Wink is old enough to not need that shit
5) Defense took over 6 weeks to play a decent game but was the recipient of most of the off season upgrades
6) Offense is worst I have seen in long time
I would bet Wink leaves in the off season.
Rift may have been quashed by beats out of respect, but once Glazer opened that bottle the heresay leaks start.
I really like Wink, but that slow start is not forgiveable and the Jets loss allowing points with 28 seconds and half the field to move was bad defensive play calling. A'Shawn and Nacho were huge upgrades at DT and run defense should have vastly improved. It did not. That is a big failure in my view.
Agree with you point for point here. I liked the Wink Defense beacause it blitzed and applied pressure as opposed to Grahams bend but dont break. Thing I don't like is in 6 games Winks defense has looked like shite against the Eagles and Cowboys, where it really matters.
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Glazer is very tied into the Giants organization and has been a reputable source for years. Plus a ton of best writers are coming out with the same speculation. Daboll also has a history of not having strained relationships. It’s not hard to connect the dots.
It isn’t. Doesn’t make his take on things gospel though. And what’s being reported anyway, that Wino may not be here next year? I think that was obvious after the horrific start, same for Kafka. And I think that’s my point, the reports seem to be embellishing what’s already fairly obvious. Making it seem like Wink is about to fight Daboll is unnecessary.
why is it unnecessary. If that is the truth report it. Plus, Glazer's best friend is Strahan who definitely is still dialed into the org. In addition, I know people love to get on the you are overblowing it bandwagon, but anyone who thought that was a normal interaction between Wink and Daboll in Dallas is either niave or ignorant. Not only did he seem to be in Wink's face before halftime, he started in before the second half. If you could not get your business done in the locker room then I think it is pretty obvious there is some friction.
Daboll is billed as some offensive and QB genius and frankly his offense sucks. And wasn't some amazing thing last season either.
I think I'd get a little pissed off too if I had decades of experience and I'm getting dressed down by someone who knows about 100 times less than me about defense. And the supposed thing he does know isn't even any good either.
As would be the case with any other endeavor, he is probably still growing into the position and by, say, his seventh or eighth year, would probably have learned and acted differently towards Wink.
From Dabol's perspective, the D has played well, especially lately, and the players love Wink. It is young and should be better with another draft class. A new DC brings risk.
If there is a parting of ways, then we'll know these reports are not exaggerated. Because otherwise a split makes no sense. Hope it doesn't happen.
The steelers make the playoffs or at least compete with an absolutely brutal offense. You don't hear their DC crying about offense.
Daboll is billed as some offensive and QB genius and frankly his offense sucks. And wasn't some amazing thing last season either.
I think I'd get a little pissed off too if I had decades of experience and I'm getting dressed down by someone who knows about 100 times less than me about defense. And the supposed thing he does know isn't even any good either.
I seriously doubt Wink knows 100x more about defense than Daboll. If Daboll didn't know defenses and how they work, how could he operate an offense to attack a defense. Winks specialty is defense and Daboll offense. But both need to know how the other works or else they get their butts handed to them. Daboll isn't some Johnny come lately. He's been a coach for 25 years with a lot of time with some excellent HCs, OCs and DCs.
There is a reason Wink hasn't been a HC, yet. A lot of great DCs never got to be HC.
From Dabol's perspective, the D has played well, especially lately, and the players love Wink. It is young and should be better with another draft class. A new DC brings risk.
If there is a parting of ways, then we'll know these reports are not exaggerated. Because otherwise a split makes no sense. Hope it doesn't happen.
why would you doubt that. There will probably be anywhere from 6-8 defensive coordinator openings--why wouldn't Martindale get one? I think he would be at the top of the list
Belichick and Saban's schtick is often imitated but never duplicated. They are all time greats, that's why they get away with it.
Martindale's from the old school, and doesn't put on airs - despite the composed demeanor. The Buddy Ryan school that got Gilbride punched in the face. Daboll giving Wink shit while his offense is historically and unexplainably bad likely caused this, and it sucks.
Wink's got a very specific scheme and they've spent the last 2 years giving him heavy input into what types of players he needs. And now this?
I'm looking for evidence that Daboll's the right guy and I desperately want to believe, but it's tough.
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That looks to be more on Wink than Daboll. I read that as Wink thinking he's above it. Didn't Parcells regularly chew out Belichick? Comes with the role.
I think the offense being so bad is probably more of the issue.
That's true. I'm sure Jim Johnson, Dick LeBeau and Monte Kiffin were chewed out way into their senior years, but the whole "Patriots Way" thing is just weird to me.
Those three gentlemen deserve respect when spoken to. Even if there's beef, they've earned their stripes. Wink does too. Dabes has some growing up to do.
As would be the case with any other endeavor, he is probably still growing into the position and by, say, his seventh or eighth year, would probably have learned and acted differently towards Wink.
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Glazer is very tied into the Giants organization and has been a reputable source for years. Plus a ton of best writers are coming out with the same speculation. Daboll also has a history of not having strained relationships. It’s not hard to connect the dots.
It isn’t. Doesn’t make his take on things gospel though. And what’s being reported anyway, that Wino may not be here next year? I think that was obvious after the horrific start, same for Kafka. And I think that’s my point, the reports seem to be embellishing what’s already fairly obvious. Making it seem like Wink is about to fight Daboll is unnecessary.
why is it unnecessary. If that is the truth report it. Plus, Glazer's best friend is Strahan who definitely is still dialed into the org. In addition, I know people love to get on the you are overblowing it bandwagon, but anyone who thought that was a normal interaction between Wink and Daboll in Dallas is either niave or ignorant. Not only did he seem to be in Wink's face before halftime, he started in before the second half. If you could not get your business done in the locker room then I think it is pretty obvious there is some friction.
Because I’m under the impression it isn’t the truth, hence my comment. Never did I say don’t report the truth.
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Glazer is very tied into the Giants organization and has been a reputable source for years. Plus a ton of best writers are coming out with the same speculation. Daboll also has a history of not having strained relationships. It’s not hard to connect the dots.
It isn’t. Doesn’t make his take on things gospel though. And what’s being reported anyway, that Wino may not be here next year? I think that was obvious after the horrific start, same for Kafka. And I think that’s my point, the reports seem to be embellishing what’s already fairly obvious. Making it seem like Wink is about to fight Daboll is unnecessary.
why is it unnecessary. If that is the truth report it. Plus, Glazer's best friend is Strahan who definitely is still dialed into the org. In addition, I know people love to get on the you are overblowing it bandwagon, but anyone who thought that was a normal interaction between Wink and Daboll in Dallas is either niave or ignorant. Not only did he seem to be in Wink's face before halftime, he started in before the second half. If you could not get your business done in the locker room then I think it is pretty obvious there is some friction.
Because I’m under the impression it isn’t the truth, hence my comment. Never did I say don’t report the truth.
I mean what would make you think it’s not the truth though?
Players turning on him and they haven’t
Players leaking something like they usually do, and haven’t
Coaches arguing after a 2-8 start is expected. These “random text messages” make it sounds like something horrific happened. It’s dumb.
Let's face it, we gave up more than 30 points per game through the first 5 games. Wink SHOULD be getting drilled by Dabs at that point.
Here is how I think it all went down.
1. our defense looked like complete shit and Dabs got all over him.
2. the defense looked A LOT better over the past couple of weeks.
3. In the midst of that, Glazer heard about how Wink and Dabs were dealing with a strained relationship but he found out a few weeks late
4. Our defense played great the past two games and Dabs gave wink the game ball from the heart because he knows the defense was pivotal in the two wins wit DeVito at QB. I do not think he did it to squash the stories about their rift. I think the game ball was an authentic gesture.
Let's face it, we gave up more than 30 points per game through the first 5 games. Wink SHOULD be getting drilled by Dabs at that point.
Here is how I think it all went down.
1. our defense looked like complete shit and Dabs got all over him.
2. the defense looked A LOT better over the past couple of weeks.
3. In the midst of that, Glazer heard about how Wink and Dabs were dealing with a strained relationship but he found out a few weeks late
4. Our defense played great the past two games and Dabs gave wink the game ball from the heart because he knows the defense was pivotal in the two wins wit DeVito at QB. I do not think he did it to squash the stories about their rift. I think the game ball was an authentic gesture.
I agree with that too.
How the F could their relationship not be strained? The O has been abysmal all season while the D, outside of a few breakdowns and slow start, carried the team. The defense leads the NFL in 3 and outs. Why? They're playing pretty well, but mainly cause they're on the field so much.
Remember the last coach who "wasn't the easiest guy to play for" (Bill Parcells quote about Tom Couhlin)? Mara nearly fired him for that after 3 seasons (making the playoffs twice). Coughlin said and then did the right things and the rest is history.
I don't think anyone wants Wink gone except maybe Wink, who is obviously the final word. One more storyline to finish the season with.
If Daboll has an issue with Winks performance it should be addressed in private and in a professional manner.
If it is not being handled that way then I can understand Wink not being happy. Wink had paid his dues and should be treated with respect.
2) Where there is smoke there is fire
3) Daboll is a bit of a hot head
4) Wink is old enough to not need that shit
5) Defense took over 6 weeks to play a decent game but was the recipient of most of the off season upgrades
6) Offense is worst I have seen in long time
I would bet Wink leaves in the off season.
Rift may have been quashed by beats out of respect, but once Glazer opened that bottle the heresay leaks start.
I really like Wink, but that slow start is not forgiveable and the Jets loss allowing points with 28 seconds and half the field to move was bad defensive play calling. A'Shawn and Nacho were huge upgrades at DT and run defense should have vastly improved. It did not. That is a big failure in my view.
Okereke vs Waller
Nacho vs Campbell
Banks vs JMS and Hyatt
That really only leaves Robinson as a defensive improvement without a similar offensive equivalent. It only seems one-sided because Wink was able to get his FAs to perform while their offensive counterparts have underachieved.
Not really a part of the discussion but the Barkley tag and DJ contract (AT and Dexy cancel out) means we spent way more resources in the offseason on the offensive side of the ball.
I’ll also say that the D wasn’t any worse than the O in those 1st 6 weeks. I don’t think BD had a functional training camp plan.
If you can't deal with being yelled at in football, it's not for you.
Hahahaha love it
If Daboll has an issue with Winks performance it should be addressed in private and in a professional manner.
If it is not being handled that way then I can understand Wink not being happy. Wink had paid his dues and should be treated with respect.