Oregon vs Washington tonight. Oregon is the better team right now. Washington clipped them earlier. Should be a fun matchup with Penix and Nix slinging it. Lot of good WRs as well.
Here’s a hypothetical scenario. You’re winners this weekend:
Washington
Michigan
FSU
Bama
Texas
If this is this case - No SEC in the final 4? Hmmmm
I got the final four as such-Georgia, Michigan, Oregon, & Texas.
I got the final four as such-Georgia, Michigan, Oregon, & Texas.
I think if Oregon wins tonight they re in……. no?
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I think Oregon wins tonight. FSU loses tomorrow, but Texas, Michigan, & Georgia win tomorrow.
I got the final four as such-Georgia, Michigan, Oregon, & Texas.
I think if Oregon wins tonight they re in……. no?
Yeah - no question. No conference is getting two in this year unless Michigan, Texas, and Georgia loses.
Bama has a good chance to beat Georgia whose defense is not as strong as previous 2 years.
I think Oregon beats Washington and Michigan beats Iowa.
Not sure who wins ACC.It’s a toss up to me.
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I think Oregon wins tonight. FSU loses tomorrow, but Texas, Michigan, & Georgia win tomorrow.
I got the final four as such-Georgia, Michigan, Oregon, & Texas.
I think if Oregon wins tonight they re in……. no?
Sorry misread, didn’t have coffee yet.
So if they all win, decision committee has an easy job. Texas would get left out with one loss. (Although I think the TV networks would really love to have Texas in it.)
Texas needs an upset, I think FSU is a possibility due to second string QB.
If multiple upsets, decision committee will have a very tough time with many one loss teams.
I know. But I can dream.
If you want to get a good laugh, look at Iowa's offensive stats. I've linked below.
It's absolutely stunning how bad their offense is and they have ten wins. They have 20 offensive TDs in 12 games.
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It's absolutely stunning how bad their offense is and they have ten wins. They have 20 offensive TDs in 12 games. Brutal - ( New Window )
Please no Daniel Jones talk on this thread.... lol.
I think the committee has to be secretly rooting for a Georgia win or FSU/Texas to lose.
I think the committee has to be secretly rooting for a Georgia win or FSU/Texas to lose.
How do you put Bama in over undefeated teams and a team that beat them?
Oregon would have the better resume and head to head has to matter even if it was early in the year
Then it comes down to Bama and Texas. Texas beat Bama. Sorry Georgia has to be out too. No (real) quality wins and no SEC title.
Oregon would have the better resume and head to head has to matter even if it was early in the year
Beating Georgia on the road - SEC CG is in ATL - would be enough for me to qualify Bama over FSU and UT.
For me, FSU just isn't the same team right now and Bama lost early enough to recover from that UT loss, even if it was H2H.
Even an undefeated FSU team is not one of the 4 best teams. And both Georgia and Bama would put a whooping on Oregon, Wash and maybe even Michigan.
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Along with Michigan, Texas, fsu, Oregon Bama shouldn’t get in.
Oregon would have the better resume and head to head has to matter even if it was early in the year
Beating Georgia on the road - SEC CG is in ATL - would be enough for me to qualify Bama over FSU and UT.
For me, FSU just isn't the same team right now and Bama lost early enough to recover from that UT loss, even if it was H2H.
That’s the way I see it as well but I was curious as to what others thought the committee would do.
I know Bama lost to Texas and that has to count in Texas’ favor but it was very early on and Bama hasn’t lost since, while Texas has. Plus beating UGA would have to give Bama huge bonus points in the committees eyes.
Gonna be interesting to see this all play out but my gut tells me an SEC team gets in even a one loss Bama.
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Along with Michigan, Texas, fsu, Oregon Bama shouldn’t get in.
Oregon would have the better resume and head to head has to matter even if it was early in the year
Beating Georgia on the road - SEC CG is in ATL - would be enough for me to qualify Bama over FSU and UT.
For me, FSU just isn't the same team right now and Bama lost early enough to recover from that UT loss, even if it was H2H.
Disagree. Florida and Auburn are equally as bad and FSU covered with their backup and Alabama needed a Hail Mary
Ugh my reading comp sucks this AM! Looks like you were actually agreeing on Bama lol
Texas scheduled Alabama on the road and beat them.
Texas scheduled Alabama on the road and beat them.
It should count for something but my question is does the fact Bama hasn’t lost since while Texas has, along with Bama beating #1 Georgia in a Conf Champ this late in the year count more heading into the playoffs?
The goal is to get the four best teams right now in right? I’d put Texas in over FSU because of the Noles QB situation but not over Bama if Bama wins. Plus I have a hard time seeing the committee not putting an SEC Champ in.
Especially at the teams place.
Past conference reputation should have no impact on this years rankings.
Texas scheduled Alabama on the road and beat them.
I cede the point on H2H. But there is more credibility and weight if Bama takes out Georgia on the "road". That would be too good of an accomplishment.
BTW, you know these rivalries like Bama v Auburn are games where the records mean nothing. Those games get nuts. So, I wouldn't be so quick to diminish that win by Bama....
Past conference reputation should have no impact on this years rankings.
I wouldnt even consider Missouri or Ole Miss good teams. They are pretty good. Ole Miss two best wins are against Tulane and LSU and they gave up 50 in one of those games.
And dont give me rankings with this team. If Michigan beats Iowa - is anyone really going to be impressed with them beating a top 15 team? Of course not.
Especially at the teams place.
They were better in September but if Bama beats UGA in Atlanta tomorrow are they better now?
Doesn’t the fact Bama hasn’t lost since while UT has factor into it? The goal is to get the four best teams now in the playoffs.
I call BS on that as Texas if it wins the BigXII absolutely deserves the nod over Bama.
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Is part of the problem. Why? The SEC had the worst non conference record, the bottom half of the SEC was absolutely terrible. There were five good teams (tennesse shouldn’t be ranked they only are because they’re SEC).
Past conference reputation should have no impact on this years rankings.
I wouldnt even consider Missouri or Ole Miss good teams. They are pretty good. Ole Miss two best wins are against Tulane and LSU and they gave up 50 in one of those games.
And dont give me rankings with this team. If Michigan beats Iowa - is anyone really going to be impressed with them beating a top 15 team? Of course not.
I’m thinking you haven’t seen much of Missouri this year if you don’t think they’re a good team
Especially at the teams place.
Really? Teams can't get better as a season evolves?
Do you think the Jets are better than Philly? ;)
Do you think if Bama played Texas now - anywhere - Texas would be favored?
Milroe is a much better player/QB now then when they lost to Texas three months ago. Which makes Bama a better team...
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Over Bama doesn’t count because it was too early, then just start the season in November. What’s the point of playing the games?
Texas scheduled Alabama on the road and beat them.
I cede the point on H2H. But there is more credibility and weight if Bama takes out Georgia on the "road". That would be too good of an accomplishment.
BTW, you know these rivalries like Bama v Auburn are games where the records mean nothing. Those games get nuts. So, I wouldn't be so quick to diminish that win by Bama....
Doesn’t that say even more about FSU winning a rivalry game with their backup?
Jordan Travis is good, but it’s not like they’re losing Clemson Deshaun Watson. There’s even some things Rodemaker does better, including the deep ball. Their defense has also given up 58 second half points this year. FSU is legit with out without Travis. Would they beat Georgia, probably not. But I don’t think it’s r guaranteed blowout everyone is expecting.
I call BS on that as Texas if it wins the BigXII absolutely deserves the nod over Bama.
Of course it counts. It would count more to me if it wasn’t the first game of the year though and If UT had run the table and were undefeated there wouldn’t even be a discussion.
But they have lost since while Bama hasn’t, and if Bama beats the #1 team in the country tomorrow that’s a huge win.
Watching the crappy defenses of the west coast teams and some of the weak QB play in the Big 10 is alarming.
The game tomorrow between Bama and Georgia is basically for the SEC Championship and basically for National Championship as well.
I call BS on that as Texas if it wins the BigXII absolutely deserves the nod over Bama.
Agree, and to add to that, they beat Alabama on Tuscaloosa, fairly handily. And Texas losing to Oklahoma, in a rivalry game, isn't a bad loss.
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That tells me they’re the better team.
Especially at the teams place.
Really? Teams can't get better as a season evolves?
Do you think the Jets are better than Philly? ;)
Do you think if Bama played Texas now - anywhere - Texas would be favored?
Milroe is a much better player/QB now then when they lost to Texas three months ago. Which makes Bama a better team...
But they still didnt beat Texas at home nonetheless. Week 1 matters as much as week 14. There is no order of importance on when games are played. They all count the same.
Why even look at records then? Just put the 4 hottest teams in and let them duke it out.
This stuff whos playing matters now is a sports jock type commentary. Should we discount FSU win over LSU since LSU is playing better now? Of course not. The game counts. It doesnt matter when its played.
Watching the crappy defenses of the west coast teams and some of the weak QB play in the Big 10 is alarming.
The game tomorrow between Bama and Georgia is basically for the SEC Championship and basically for National Championship as well.
Disagree. I think it’s more equal than it’s ever been between the conferences. Georgia is still the leader by far, but the top of the conferences are closer than people think.
Watching the crappy defenses of the west coast teams and some of the weak QB play in the Big 10 is alarming.
The game tomorrow between Bama and Georgia is basically for the SEC Championship and basically for National Championship as well.
Theres a shit ton of crappy defenses in the SEC. Georgia is the best team in the nation. There is no doubt. But if they lose - they cant get in over Bama. And they cant get in over undefeated teams. People shit on Michigan for their non-conference schedule. Georgia's is just as bad. Missouri and Ole Miss arent good enough to leap undefeated teams.
Maybe hatred is too strong a word but objectively looking at it, I don’t know how anyone following the game doesn’t see how good that Conference is. To me it’s on another tier than any other and while I too would like to see new teams in, I want the best teams playing now in.
I think whoever wins that Championship has earned the right to be in, even a one loss Bama.
Well if Georgia takes care of business - then there is no argument. So why worry?
But if Georgia loses tomorrow and it is a good close game, both Bama and Georgia should be in the final four.
I’m with you there but it’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out, especially if Bama wins.
Interested to see how Penix does this evening in a big game.
Pretty sure ThomasG is a huge Dawgs fan, no?
But if Georgia loses tomorrow and it is a good close game, both Bama and Georgia should be in the final four.
Theres no chance. Unless there are other upset. I know you think FSU doesnt deserve it, and they probably dont. But an undefeated team from the ACC being left out? Thats a really really tough argument to make.
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And obviously a 2-loss Bama team would be out as well.
But if Georgia loses tomorrow and it is a good close game, both Bama and Georgia should be in the final four.
Theres no chance. Unless there are other upset. I know you think FSU doesnt deserve it, and they probably dont. But an undefeated team from the ACC being left out? Thats a really really tough argument to make.
FSU doesn't. Undefeated in this ACC?...whatever.
Hopefully they will just lose and give the committee a way out instead of having to exercise poor judgment.
FSU doesn't. Undefeated in this ACC?...whatever.
Hopefully they will just lose and give the committee a way out instead of having to exercise poor judgment.
Then you better hope Oklahoma State wins too. I cant see how you oput Bama in over a team they lost to at home.
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FSU doesn't. Undefeated in this ACC?...whatever.
Hopefully they will just lose and give the committee a way out instead of having to exercise poor judgment.
Then you better hope Oklahoma State wins too. I cant see how you oput Bama in over a team they lost to at home.
A bit messy, but I would be okay with Bama over Texas. It's close but that is how I would lean.
All games count but not to the same degree based on time and circumstance. Beating a clear-cut overall #1 team that hasn't lost in forever, on the eve of the playoffs, is a damn strong case for Bama.
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FSU doesn't. Undefeated in this ACC?...whatever.
Hopefully they will just lose and give the committee a way out instead of having to exercise poor judgment.
Then you better hope Oklahoma State wins too. I cant see how you oput Bama in over a team they lost to at home.
Did you not see the rest of the season? Again, the UT win should count for something and to me it would carry much more weight if it wasn’t so early in the season.
Throw in UT has lost since and Bama hasn’t and that’s where the monkey wrench gets thrown in for me. Plus I think Bama has played a tougher schedule since then and if they beat #1 UGA that’s the clincher for me on them getting the nod.
I get the other side of this but I have to wonder if it wasn’t Bama but another team would people feel the same?
Not to mention Florida State beat LSU in Baton Rouge, handily.
A Bama/Georgia matchup versus FSU would be about 40-13.
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FSU doesn't. Undefeated in this ACC?...whatever.
Hopefully they will just lose and give the committee a way out instead of having to exercise poor judgment.
Then you better hope Oklahoma State wins too. I cant see how you oput Bama in over a team they lost to at home.
Did you not see the rest of the season? Again, the UT win should count for something and to me it would carry much more weight if it wasn’t so early in the season.
Throw in UT has lost since and Bama hasn’t and that’s where the monkey wrench gets thrown in for me. Plus I think Bama has played a tougher schedule since then and if they beat #1 UGA that’s the clincher for me on them getting the nod.
I get the other side of this but I have to wonder if it wasn’t Bama but another team would people feel the same?
Of coruse i would. Beating a team head to head should be the number 1 factor moving forward when two teams have similar resumes. And again - when they play doesnt matter. There's no assigned value on the week they played. Especially when they lost at HOME.
And I saw Bama last week. They sucked. They got lucky. Is that something that should be considered then too? Because if you are going to argue it was a rivalry game - wasnt Texas's loss against their main rival?
How'd that work out for TCU the following week?
Oh yeah, 65-7.
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Is part of the problem. Why? The SEC had the worst non conference record, the bottom half of the SEC was absolutely terrible. There were five good teams (tennesse shouldn’t be ranked they only are because they’re SEC).
Past conference reputation should have no impact on this years rankings.
I wouldnt even consider Missouri or Ole Miss good teams. They are pretty good. Ole Miss two best wins are against Tulane and LSU and they gave up 50 in one of those games.
And dont give me rankings with this team. If Michigan beats Iowa - is anyone really going to be impressed with them beating a top 15 team? Of course not.
Regarding Ole Miss win vs. Tulane, Tulane had their backup QB in and were still in it towards the end.
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FSU doesn't. Undefeated in this ACC?...whatever.
Hopefully they will just lose and give the committee a way out instead of having to exercise poor judgment.
Then you better hope Oklahoma State wins too. I cant see how you oput Bama in over a team they lost to at home.
Did you not see the rest of the season? Again, the UT win should count for something and to me it would carry much more weight if it wasn’t so early in the season.
Throw in UT has lost since and Bama hasn’t and that’s where the monkey wrench gets thrown in for me. Plus I think Bama has played a tougher schedule since then and if they beat #1 UGA that’s the clincher for me on them getting the nod.
I get the other side of this but I have to wonder if it wasn’t Bama but another team would people feel the same?
Of coruse i would. Beating a team head to head should be the number 1 factor moving forward when two teams have similar resumes. And again - when they play doesnt matter. There's no assigned value on the week they played. Especially when they lost at HOME.
And I saw Bama last week. They sucked. They got lucky. Is that something that should be considered then too? Because if you are going to argue it was a rivalry game - wasnt Texas's loss against their main rival?
Difference being Bama didn’t lose to their rival on the road while UT did on a neutral field. Plus this is all based on Bama beating UGA who has won how many games in a row? That win would carry more weight for me than any other teams win, anywhere, anytime this year.
We can agree to disagree but you have to consider how big a win that would be. Personally I don’t think anyone beats UGA if Bama doesn’t. I’m not saying Bama will win as I’m definitely giving UGA the nod in that game, but my point is what if Bama does win that game?
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Over Bama doesn’t count because it was too early, then just start the season in November. What’s the point of playing the games?
Texas scheduled Alabama on the road and beat them.
I cede the point on H2H. But there is more credibility and weight if Bama takes out Georgia on the "road". That would be too good of an accomplishment.
BTW, you know these rivalries like Bama v Auburn are games where the records mean nothing. Those games get nuts. So, I wouldn't be so quick to diminish that win by Bama....
Texas has only lost one game, to #8 or so Oklahoma. This was a rivalry game as you state above, and Texas lost with seconds to go on a neutral field. Texas will have won 4 games over top 25 teams (which is at or near the top), beat Bama H2H on the road, have only 1 loss (to a top 10 team), and have one of the top Strength of Schedules in the country (they were #9 last I checked) They would deserve it in this scenario.
Having said that I think the winners this weekend are:
Georgia
Mich
Louisville
Wash
Texas
In this scenario I think Texas gets in as they leapfrog over an idle Ohio St team.
We can agree to disagree but you have to consider how big a win that would be. Personally I don’t think anyone beats UGA if Bama doesn’t. I’m not saying Bama will win as I’m definitely giving UGA the nod in that game, but my point is what if Bama does win that game?
I am not downplaying it. Beating Georgia would be huge. However - youre a committee member. You are putting 3 undefeated teams in (Michigan, Washington, FSU) - you have one spot left
Georgia - no conference title, Lost to Alabama
Alabama - conference title, lost to Texas
Texas - conference title, beat Bama
How do you not take the team with the similar resume that you beat head to head? If you discard the head to head battle - youre basically telling any contender never to schedule a tough out of conference opponent cause they are essentially meaningless.
Jordan Travis is good, but it’s not like they’re losing Clemson Deshaun Watson. There’s even some things Rodemaker does better, including the deep ball. Their defense has also given up 58 second half points this year. FSU is legit with out without Travis. Would they beat Georgia, probably not. But I don’t think it’s r guaranteed blowout everyone is expecting.
Do you think FSU is undefeated with any other QB on that roster playing except Travis?
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We can agree to disagree but you have to consider how big a win that would be. Personally I don’t think anyone beats UGA if Bama doesn’t. I’m not saying Bama will win as I’m definitely giving UGA the nod in that game, but my point is what if Bama does win that game?
I am not downplaying it. Beating Georgia would be huge. However - youre a committee member. You are putting 3 undefeated teams in (Michigan, Washington, FSU) - you have one spot left
Georgia - no conference title, Lost to Alabama
Alabama - conference title, lost to Texas
Texas - conference title, beat Bama
How do you not take the team with the similar resume that you beat head to head? If you discard the head to head battle - youre basically telling any contender never to schedule a tough out of conference opponent cause they are essentially meaningless.
In that scenario I agree it would be very tough but I think a Conference jChamp win over an undefeated UGA at this point in the season would tip the scales.
I get the scheduling tough games argument and it’s something I want to see more teams do, and as fun as it was to watch so early in the year, I honestly feel that UT win would carry more weight if it wasn’t so early.
It would really be good to see more teams toughen up their schedules and sprinkle some of these out of conference battles for a bit later in the year. Very difficult for me to put more weight on an early September game, even a head to head one, than a late season Conference Champ win over an undefeated team like UGA.
Good back and forth though and I can see the argument for both sides, but I’m just giving my take. Doesn’t mean I’m right but it’s how I see it.
Texas has only lost one game, to #8 or so Oklahoma. This was a rivalry game as you state above, and Texas lost with seconds to go on a neutral field. Texas will have won 4 games over top 25 teams (which is at or near the top), beat Bama H2H on the road, have only 1 loss (to a top 10 team), and have one of the top Strength of Schedules in the country (they were #9 last I checked) They would deserve it in this scenario.
Having said that I think the winners this weekend are:
Georgia
Mich
Louisville
Wash
Texas
In this scenario I think Texas gets in as they leapfrog over an idle Ohio St team.
I totally get the Texas argument. It's a strong one.
And I feel bad for FSU because college football is much better when they are relevant. Norvell has steadily rebuilt them back to prominence. But the loss of Travis changes what they are.
Next year the playoff expands to twelve. It's a year too late. This would have been the ideal year to use that format instead of the F4.
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Texas has only lost one game, to #8 or so Oklahoma. This was a rivalry game as you state above, and Texas lost with seconds to go on a neutral field. Texas will have won 4 games over top 25 teams (which is at or near the top), beat Bama H2H on the road, have only 1 loss (to a top 10 team), and have one of the top Strength of Schedules in the country (they were #9 last I checked) They would deserve it in this scenario.
Having said that I think the winners this weekend are:
Georgia
Mich
Louisville
Wash
Texas
In this scenario I think Texas gets in as they leapfrog over an idle Ohio St team.
I totally get the Texas argument. It's a strong one.
And I feel bad for FSU because college football is much better when they are relevant. Norvell has steadily rebuilt them back to prominence. But the loss of Travis changes what they are.
Next year the playoff expands to twelve. It's a year too late. This would have been the ideal year to use that format instead of the F4.
But the Travis argument is just pure opinion. Until FSU's backup QB's lose a game, they can't omit an undefeated power 5 team, especially one with Florida State's history.
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Along with Michigan, Texas, fsu, Oregon Bama shouldn’t get in.
Oregon would have the better resume and head to head has to matter even if it was early in the year
Beating Georgia on the road - SEC CG is in ATL - would be enough for me to qualify Bama over FSU and UT.
For me, FSU just isn't the same team right now and Bama lost early enough to recover from that UT loss, even if it was H2H.
It would be absolute absurdity to put a one-loss team in ahead of an undefeated team that won their conference.
If you want a playoff where the teams who just look better this week are in, just have an online fan vote and take the teams the public votes in!
Ohio State - Notre Dame - USC - Miami
But if Georgia loses tomorrow and it is a good close game, both Bama and Georgia should be in the final four.
Why would a team that is not even the best team in the SEC possibly be the best team in the country?
If Alabama beats Georgia, Georgia should be out. I know it won't work that way, but it should. If conferences are going to have championship games, they should mean something.
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Texas has only lost one game, to #8 or so Oklahoma. This was a rivalry game as you state above, and Texas lost with seconds to go on a neutral field. Texas will have won 4 games over top 25 teams (which is at or near the top), beat Bama H2H on the road, have only 1 loss (to a top 10 team), and have one of the top Strength of Schedules in the country (they were #9 last I checked) They would deserve it in this scenario.
Having said that I think the winners this weekend are:
Georgia
Mich
Louisville
Wash
Texas
In this scenario I think Texas gets in as they leapfrog over an idle Ohio St team.
I totally get the Texas argument. It's a strong one.
And I feel bad for FSU because college football is much better when they are relevant. Norvell has steadily rebuilt them back to prominence. But the loss of Travis changes what they are.
Next year the playoff expands to twelve. It's a year too late. This would have been the ideal year to use that format instead of the F4.
It absolutely doesn't change who they are until they lose. Should the playoffs really be a guess about how an individual player will play?
If Michigan wins the B1G Championship, but JJ McCarthy tears an ACL in practice the next week, should the committee replace them in the playoff?
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And obviously a 2-loss Bama team would be out as well.
But if Georgia loses tomorrow and it is a good close game, both Bama and Georgia should be in the final four.
Why would a team that is not even the best team in the SEC possibly be the best team in the country?
If Alabama beats Georgia, Georgia should be out. I know it won't work that way, but it should. If conferences are going to have championship games, they should mean something.
Who says the SEC championship doesn't mean something?
And go look up and see what the best team in the country a mere 2 years ago did. They lost the SEC Championship.
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Texas has only lost one game, to #8 or so Oklahoma. This was a rivalry game as you state above, and Texas lost with seconds to go on a neutral field. Texas will have won 4 games over top 25 teams (which is at or near the top), beat Bama H2H on the road, have only 1 loss (to a top 10 team), and have one of the top Strength of Schedules in the country (they were #9 last I checked) They would deserve it in this scenario.
Having said that I think the winners this weekend are:
Georgia
Mich
Louisville
Wash
Texas
In this scenario I think Texas gets in as they leapfrog over an idle Ohio St team.
I totally get the Texas argument. It's a strong one.
And I feel bad for FSU because college football is much better when they are relevant. Norvell has steadily rebuilt them back to prominence. But the loss of Travis changes what they are.
Next year the playoff expands to twelve. It's a year too late. This would have been the ideal year to use that format instead of the F4.
It absolutely doesn't change who they are until they lose. Should the playoffs really be a guess about how an individual player will play?
If Michigan wins the B1G Championship, but JJ McCarthy tears an ACL in practice the next week, should the committee replace them in the playoff?
They could before the announcement on Sunday - sure.
After Sunday, the playoffs are set.
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Along with Michigan, Texas, fsu, Oregon Bama shouldn’t get in.
Oregon would have the better resume and head to head has to matter even if it was early in the year
Beating Georgia on the road - SEC CG is in ATL - would be enough for me to qualify Bama over FSU and UT.
For me, FSU just isn't the same team right now and Bama lost early enough to recover from that UT loss, even if it was H2H.
It would be absolute absurdity to put a one-loss team in ahead of an undefeated team that won their conference.
If you want a playoff where the teams who just look better this week are in, just have an online fan vote and take the teams the public votes in!
Ohio State - Notre Dame - USC - Miami
I want the four best teams. Being undefeated means something, but not everything....to me.
Look, the entire process is subjective. Even the selection committee admits they apply an eye test.
I still don’t think all that much of Alabama this year. Not a believer in Milroe against top 5 teams. UGA is no pun intended the top dog right now. Close loss they should stay in. Blow out loss I would say stay home but right or wrong the last 2 seasons matter.
The two best teams based strictly on my eye test are UGA and Oregon. Washington doesn’t have the defense to win the playoff but Oregon does. Lanning is a fantastic coach.
Undefeated Michigan will undoubtedly be in but I’m pretty tired of their cupcake OOC and riding the OSU win. They don’t have the offense to win.
Fun year, lots of very good teams. Its great for CFB that Michigan, Florida State and Texas are very good again. NIL has had a good effect on parity in CFB. Looking forward to the playoff expansion.
What some are backing here is just dismissing an entire year's worth of games and saying a team is one player, and if that player is out that team is out.
I think teams should earn their place into a playoff. Beat the teams in-front of you and win your conference. You do that and you are in. If you can't, you aren't in.
If the way you develop your playoff field can ever involve the line "But remember week 3 against Vandy on the road" you have a bad process.
Agree completely. A one-loss Bama team that wins the SEC should be in the playoff.
What some are backing here is just dismissing an entire year's worth of games and saying a team is one player, and if that player is out that team is out.
Yes, I am saying just that because FSU in particular are not going to be as competitive without Travis. He was the straw that stirred that drink.
IMV, his loss has made it virtually impossible for FSU to win the playoffs now.
If Michigan can go undefeated and win their championship 55-3 then their conference is a complete joke and that is why two SEC teams would be a better representation in the CFP.
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You would be fine if Michigan goes undefeated, wins the B1G championship 55-3, but is left out of the playoff because McCarthy was on crutches after the game?
If Michigan can go undefeated and win their championship 55-3 then their conference is a complete joke and that is why two SEC teams would be a better representation in the CFP.
The conference championship was last weekend. Let’s be realistic.
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You would be fine if Michigan goes undefeated, wins the B1G championship 55-3, but is left out of the playoff because McCarthy was on crutches after the game?
If Michigan can go undefeated and win their championship 55-3 then their conference is a complete joke and that is why two SEC teams would be a better representation in the CFP.
The conference championship was last weekend. Let’s be realistic.
Hence the joke. Quite the conference where 1 game a year matters between only 2 teams and it isn't even the championship.
They have struggled lately, but that's a lot of points against a familiar opponent, especially one they beat.
So, while it's a classic "sucker line" and you probably should follow the money and play Oregon, I'm taking the 9.5.
There have been plenty of years where the SEC was absolutely loaded in years past especially the SECW. Has not been that way in a while.
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You would be fine if Michigan goes undefeated, wins the B1G championship 55-3, but is left out of the playoff because McCarthy was on crutches after the game?
If Michigan can go undefeated and win their championship 55-3 then their conference is a complete joke and that is why two SEC teams would be a better representation in the CFP.
The conference championship was last weekend. Let’s be realistic.
Hence the joke. Quite the conference where 1 game a year matters between only 2 teams and it isn't even the championship.
The realignment of all these major conferences has killed some conferences. Big 10 west has been a joke for years
There have been plenty of years where the SEC was absolutely loaded in years past especially the SECW. Has not been that way in a while.
No conference was really stellar this year.
Pac2 looked better because of the QB play overall. If Utah didn't lose Rising, that conference would have been an absolute war.
UDub is doing that on this opening drive.
if mara forces schoens hand, this is a great plan.
I still don't know why teams just don't sit on it. But for some reason they don't...
I still don't know why teams just don't sit on it. But for some reason they don't...
I always thought that was Eli's best throw. Accuracy and power outside the numbers is a great thing to have.
I like him more than the Penn State kid tbh
pennix just got more juice.
He just made a nice play on that punt return... ;)
pennix just got more juice.
I haven't seen anyone in this class that throws like Penix.
pennix just got more juice.
Dane Brugler thinks Nix is a day 2 pick and earliest he would take Penix is the third rd. Told this in his mock draft discussion on BBV.
Was hoping we could get him with our first pick in second round.
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#55 for Washington, left tackle. Sy has been talking him up on Twitter. Looks like he could be a great guard.
I like him more than the Penn State kid tbh
Don't get me started on Fashanu. I'm a PSU fan and I think he's the most overrated projected lottery player in the draft...
10-0, U.W. up. This is the best they've looked in 2 months. I'm very surprised, I really though Oregon woulld score at will, and run up the score against an anemic U.W. defense.
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pennix just got more juice.
I haven't seen anyone in this class that throws like Penix.
I just can't get past his lack of mobility, especially considering how the Giants can't figure out the OL. I think he'd be too perfect for a team like Dallas.
Did it on the first drive, too.
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Totally punched Oregon in the mouth. Big drive here.
Did it on the first drive, too.
+1. 2 really powerful drives by UW.
I just can't get past his lack of mobility, especially considering how the Giants can't figure out the OL. I think he'd be too perfect for a team like Dallas.
Same. I think his footwork gets out of whack too many times, too.
Although I would feel great with Neal protecting his blind side... ;)
+1. Totally correct.
UDub is really spreading this out with this 3x2 and motion.
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They have to because the system is so poorly designed. Men's basketball has 64 teams, so they eye test is only relevant to borderline teams. And even the last four there have to win a game to get in.
What some are backing here is just dismissing an entire year's worth of games and saying a team is one player, and if that player is out that team is out.
Yes, I am saying just that because FSU in particular are not going to be as competitive without Travis. He was the straw that stirred that drink.
IMV, his loss has made it virtually impossible for FSU to win the playoffs now.
There is no doubt Travis is an excellent QB for FSU. There is also no doubt Norvell sat on the offense last week with Rodemaker. Yet, despite what I would call a awful job calling the game in the 1st half by Norvell, FSU beat the spread in a very inspired Swamp at UF.
One of the two backup QBs is likely the starter next year. Who knows how well they do this week after getting starter snaps in practice the last two weeks.
I have no illusions that Louisville is a push over - they smacked the crap out of ND and I see the spread has come down from FSU by 3 to now FSU by 1.5.
I can see the committee bypassing FSU for another team if they struggle with Louisville but still win. It probably is not the correct decision to jump a 12-0 team with one that is 11-1. If Georgia gets beat by Alabama, do they take both Alabama and Georgia and dump FSU? Do they include Georgia, dump FSU and Alabama and bring in Oregon and Texas?
I doubt Alabama beats Georgia. We know Iowa isn't beating Michigan(99.9%).
If Washington beats Oregon and FSU beats Louisville, that should be the final four. It does not matter who plays Georgia, they'll get beat. Not even sure Michigan beats Georgia.
But I can see FSU getting bypassed and it likely does not sit well.
They actually played pretty well v Oregon State and Wazu.
The offense was flat...IMV.
Start watching that video of that WR/#11 down in Baton Rouge, Sy... ;)
Jones is mobile, and he's garbage. That 3rd and 16 throw before was against a blitz where the ball has to come out quickly.
I'm not worried about Penix's mobility. Build around his (or anyone else's) strengths.
I do
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They have to because the system is so poorly designed. Men's basketball has 64 teams, so they eye test is only relevant to borderline teams. And even the last four there have to win a game to get in.
What some are backing here is just dismissing an entire year's worth of games and saying a team is one player, and if that player is out that team is out.
Yes, I am saying just that because FSU in particular are not going to be as competitive without Travis. He was the straw that stirred that drink.
IMV, his loss has made it virtually impossible for FSU to win the playoffs now.
There is no doubt Travis is an excellent QB for FSU. There is also no doubt Norvell sat on the offense last week with Rodemaker. Yet, despite what I would call a awful job calling the game in the 1st half by Norvell, FSU beat the spread in a very inspired Swamp at UF.
One of the two backup QBs is likely the starter next year. Who knows how well they do this week after getting starter snaps in practice the last two weeks.
I have no illusions that Louisville is a push over - they smacked the crap out of ND and I see the spread has come down from FSU by 3 to now FSU by 1.5.
I can see the committee bypassing FSU for another team if they struggle with Louisville but still win. It probably is not the correct decision to jump a 12-0 team with one that is 11-1. If Georgia gets beat by Alabama, do they take both Alabama and Georgia and dump FSU? Do they include Georgia, dump FSU and Alabama and bring in Oregon and Texas?
I doubt Alabama beats Georgia. We know Iowa isn't beating Michigan(99.9%).
If Washington beats Oregon and FSU beats Louisville, that should be the final four. It does not matter who plays Georgia, they'll get beat. Not even sure Michigan beats Georgia.
But I can see FSU getting bypassed and it likely does not sit well.
This is a hard matchup for FSU without a QB. Louisville stats show they are the best run defense in the ACC, and by a decent margin. If FSU just run this will be an ugly game overall
+1. I was just thinking the same thing, that this game could really get away from Oregon. right now.
Just checked out Sy's twitter and he feels he could be WR2 which is incredibly high praise given the class.
Completely agree... this is a very deep QB and WR class. Probably why this is one of the best if not the best passing we have ever seen in the NCAA
2 nice 3rd down plays by the UW defense. someone needs to drug test these guys.
Penix hasn’t looked great either. It’s a 3 QB draft for me.
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Makes a belated return. Back on it's heels, can't tackle, about to let Oregon get back in the game.
2 nice 3rd down plays by the UW defense. someone needs to drug test these guys.
Franklin should have caught that first one.
No. No it doesn’t.
That last one was behind the WR, too, on that slant.
Nix has NEVER had great arm.
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Makes a belated return. Back on it's heels, can't tackle, about to let Oregon get back in the game.
2 nice 3rd down plays by the UW defense. someone needs to drug test these guys.
Franklin should have caught that first one.
Thank you, Sir! I stand corrected.
Penix hasn’t looked great either. It’s a 3 QB draft for me.
You mean the same D he shredded for 33 points previously (and should have been 36 if not for the missed FG)?
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And actual defense. Like the Ole SEC days.
Penix hasn’t looked great either. It’s a 3 QB draft for me.
You mean the same D he shredded for 33 points previously (and should have been 36 if not for the missed FG)?
Someone’s drinking early tonight. I advise you to stay away from this thread because your boy doesn’t look good and others are starting to see it.
And nix sucked in the first half against UW by missing easy throws and TDs. You want to start this shit now or you gonna watch your team hopefully win?
Your choice.
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No. No it doesn’t.
Yes it does. There’s a stark difference between Nix and Penix’ arm strength
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And actual defense. Like the Ole SEC days.
Penix hasn’t looked great either. It’s a 3 QB draft for me.
You mean the same D he shredded for 33 points previously (and should have been 36 if not for the missed FG)?
Someone’s drinking early tonight. I advise you to stay away from this thread because your boy doesn’t look good and others are starting to see it.
And nix sucked in the first half against UW by missing easy throws and TDs. You want to start this shit now or you gonna watch your team hopefully win?
Your choice.
That is a little agressive... he is allowed to have his opinions too. I like Nix more than most here. I can see him going late 1 in a trade up. He is above average runner, thrower, etc. He isn't as bad as most here claim he is. Saying that he is like my 5th best QB in this class.
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And actual defense. Like the Ole SEC days.
Penix hasn’t looked great either. It’s a 3 QB draft for me.
You mean the same D he shredded for 33 points previously (and should have been 36 if not for the missed FG)?
Someone’s drinking early tonight. I advise you to stay away from this thread because your boy doesn’t look good and others are starting to see it.
And nix sucked in the first half against UW by missing easy throws and TDs. You want to start this shit now or you gonna watch your team hopefully win?
Your choice.
LOL. He still scored 33 points. And should have been 36. But you be you, i guess.
Not the best start. But last time i checked, football is four quarters. We’ll see what happens. Defense needs to step up here
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That last one was behind the WR, too, on that slant.
Nix has NEVER had great arm.
That was about 1/2 foot behind perfect and that wrap around defense is likely PI in the NFL. His arm is plenty strong from what I see and the ball is out quickly.
Someone’s drinking early tonight. I advise you to stay away from this thread because your boy doesn’t look good and others are starting to see it.
And nix sucked in the first half against UW by missing easy throws and TDs. You want to start this shit now or you gonna watch your team hopefully win?
Your choice.
Go easy on 'wheels. He's had it very rough since the $160M Man went down... ;)
If the Huskies win, the O and D coordinators deserve the credit. So far they have called an impeccable game.
Penix sure throws a nice balll. Accurate, on timeand easy to catch.
That is a little agressive... he is allowed to have his opinions too. I like Nix more than most here. I can see him going late 1 in a trade up. He is above average runner, thrower, etc. He isn't as bad as most here claim he is. Saying that he is like my 5th best QB in this class.
My post was in response to his behavior in the past. Not his opinion here.
Correction - PAC2...
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That is a little agressive... he is allowed to have his opinions too. I like Nix more than most here. I can see him going late 1 in a trade up. He is above average runner, thrower, etc. He isn't as bad as most here claim he is. Saying that he is like my 5th best QB in this class.
My post was in response to his behavior in the past. Not his opinion here.
My bad... I miss over 95% of the stuff that gets posted here.
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if the Pac-12 wins the national championship in their last year.
Correction - PAC2...
LOl! Pac 2, I'm sorry, that's funny!
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if the Pac-12 wins the national championship in their last year.
Correction - PAC2...
Hahaha that is wrong... Hey I can't watch to see my Cal Bears compete in the ATLANTIC COAST conference. WTF
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if the Pac-12 wins the national championship in their last year.
Correction - PAC2...
Hahaha that is wrong... Hey I can't watch to see my Cal Bears compete in the ATLANTIC COAST conference. WTF
How strange, Cal in the ACC. "The World Turned Up side Down". A song the British Army played as they marched out of Yorktown to lay down their arms and surrender to the ragtag American Army.
Washington can control this game with a TD here.
+1. My same exact thoughts, UW coaching staff really prepared for this. Credit goes to DeBoer.
It looks to me as if Washington is controlling the line of scrimmage. Penix has a very clean pocket on most plays, and Nix doesn’t.
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Oregon blitzed, Penix saw it, and threw to the empty space, ...And TD!
Penix sure throws a nice balll. Accurate, on timeand easy to catch.
It sure seems he needs to put all his body into his throws. It is a herky jerky motion that I see.
Nix has a much smoother motion and a quicker release.
I admit I have limited exposure to both of them. So I may need to revise my observations by game end.
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That is a little agressive... he is allowed to have his opinions too. I like Nix more than most here. I can see him going late 1 in a trade up. He is above average runner, thrower, etc. He isn't as bad as most here claim he is. Saying that he is like my 5th best QB in this class.
My post was in response to his behavior in the past. Not his opinion here.
What the fuck? I’ve said from the beginning he’s a 2-3 round talent. You’re the only person being an asshole wrt to behavior.
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having one helluva half here.
It looks to me as if Washington is controlling the line of scrimmage. Penix has a very clean pocket on most plays, and Nix doesn’t.
Looks the same way to me. I'm totally surprised. I really thought Oregon would expose UW's faults.
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having one helluva half here.
It looks to me as if Washington is controlling the line of scrimmage. Penix has a very clean pocket on most plays, and Nix doesn’t.
Since the first snap, UDub has owned BOTH lines of scrimmage.
That's the game right there.
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having one helluva half here.
It looks to me as if Washington is controlling the line of scrimmage. Penix has a very clean pocket on most plays, and Nix doesn’t.
Since the first snap, UDub has owned BOTH lines of scrimmage.
That's the game right there.
You've been right about that observation from the start.
+1. You're right Speedy, and I'm sorry. I believe you're a devotee?
When did you become a Ducks fan?
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+1. You're right Speedy, and I'm sorry. I believe you're a devotee?
I am. Terrible D so far
That’s a good question- I suppose if Georgia wins does it really matter if Washington is 3 and Michigan is 2?
The Athletic had UW as #2 two weeks ago. I thought it was overstated, but...?
Nix needs a score before this half.
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If this turns into a blowout?
That’s a good question- I suppose if Georgia wins does it really matter if Washington is 3 and Michigan is 2?
Meant to say Washington is 2 and Michigan is 3
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When did you become a Ducks fan?
Ever since my kid started there two years ago.
Not unless their OL plays better.
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Yikes
When did you become a Ducks fan?
Ever since my kid started there two years ago.
You started at the right time... The Pac-12 is just starting to take over.
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Yikes
+1. You're right Speedy, and I'm sorry. I believe you're a devotee?
I am. Terrible D so far
I'm sorry Speedy, as a long time fellow Giants fan I understand the agony of disappointment.
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They can score points in bunches... If Washington starts trying to slow things down Oregon and make a move. Still think Washington wins by 10 but you never know with these levels of offense.
Not unless their OL plays better.
D needs to play better first
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If this turns into a blowout?
That’s a good question- I suppose if Georgia wins does it really matter if Washington is 3 and Michigan is 2?
Meant to say Washington is 2 and Michigan is 3
That’s true
I really thought Oregon was going to win, shows what I know.
Lol
I really thought Oregon was going to win, shows what I know.
Lol
As a UO fan, i thought the the spread was waaaaay too high
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Sometimes it gets away from you and it happens quickly. And it felt that way from the jump for Oregon. The spread for this game was ridiculous, Washington clearly came in very disrespected.
I really thought Oregon was going to win, shows what I know.
Lol
As a UO fan, i thought the the spread was waaaaay too high
It's still entirely possible that the 2nd half could be the mirror image of the 1st half.
With the PI call, it could all change now!\
He actually has good mobility. Injury history is not an issue. Mechanics? I’ll leave that to thr experts.
Ratings...
Jones could never have made that TD throw
You can’t impede a receiver like that. Period.
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Jones could never have made that TD throw
He could make that throw, we just wouldn't have caught it and someone would have pulled a hammy on the play.
Oregon could have totally lost it's composure, and it could have been a blowout. Got to credit Lannings for keeping things together until something broke for the better.
Some of the critiques here on him I just flat out don't agree with. But what do I know.
That's not PI. Receiver engaged as well and he absolutely gave up on the play. Play on. The booth official was spot on.
I meant Penix, not Nix.
He's very handsy.
I think he's going to go 2nd round. I want no part of him for the Giants though. He doesn't have all of the tools. There's not one tool in his toolbox thats elite. Intangibles i'll give you
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can't count them out... Nix is better than people say and they are a good team. Man I hope Washington can pull this out.
Some of the critiques here on him I just flat out don't agree with. But what do I know.
I think the problem is two fold... 1) he isn't great at any one thing. average to good at everything but not great... 2) he sucked when he was thrown in on a crappy Auburn team and it is tough for people to forget.
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And making good decisions so far. I just don’t love the lack of mobility, injury history and his mechanics. He looks to my untrained eye like an arm thrower.
I meant Penix, not Nix.
Mike, I agree. I have the same concerns about Penix.
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Muhammad interfered for like 10 seconds, lol. Oregon targeted him in first game and abused him. Need to do it more in second half.
That's not PI. Receiver engaged as well and he absolutely gave up on the play. Play on. The booth official was spot on.
You cannot impede a receiver on a route and hold him. It’s textbook interference.
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Nix seems to have all the tools and intangibles. I can see him going mid-first to mid-second round.
I think he's going to go 2nd round. I want no part of him for the Giants though. He doesn't have all of the tools. There's not one tool in his toolbox thats elite. Intangibles i'll give you
+1. I'm a UW homer, but I don't want him for the Giants either, for the same reasons. He's a really good college QB, but not in the NFL.
Yeah, like I said earlier on the throw Nix was a little behind the WR, that is going to be called in the NFL. I guess you missed the right hand grabbing the shoulder pad?
And yes it is possible it will not be called, but when a DB grabs shoulder pads....
Understand I don't care for either team and Oregon a little less..
I lived in Seattle, near the UW for 40 years. Hello to your Aunt.
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Nix seems to have all the tools and intangibles. I can see him going mid-first to mid-second round.
I think he's going to go 2nd round. I want no part of him for the Giants though. He doesn't have all of the tools. There's not one tool in his toolbox thats elite. Intangibles i'll give you
So I get this point but then I see guys like Jalen Hurts and Brock Purdy succeeding and it makes me second guess. I had the same thoughts on Jalen Hurts coming out, what does he do that's elite?
The thing with Nix is, to me, he has enough of everything physically. Can he run an NFL offense is my biggest question mark with him.
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Muhammad interfered for like 10 seconds, lol. Oregon targeted him in first game and abused him. Need to do it more in second half.
That's not PI. Receiver engaged as well and he absolutely gave up on the play. Play on. The booth official was spot on.
You cannot impede a receiver on a route and hold him. It’s textbook interference.
Yes, you know more than the official in the booth.
That was a "we need 20-10 at halftime" call
Hmmm..they are different QBs for sure.
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Nix seems to have all the tools and intangibles. I can see him going mid-first to mid-second round.
I think he's going to go 2nd round. I want no part of him for the Giants though. He doesn't have all of the tools. There's not one tool in his toolbox thats elite. Intangibles i'll give you
I've never been enamored with him, either. And I've tried.
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Nix seems to have all the tools and intangibles. I can see him going mid-first to mid-second round.
I think he's going to go 2nd round. I want no part of him for the Giants though. He doesn't have all of the tools. There's not one tool in his toolbox thats elite. Intangibles i'll give you
So I get this point but then I see guys like Jalen Hurts and Brock Purdy succeeding and it makes me second guess. I had the same thoughts on Jalen Hurts coming out, what does he do that's elite?
The thing with Nix is, to me, he has enough of everything physically. Can he run an NFL offense is my biggest question mark with him.
Hurts has a better arm than Nix will ever have and is an elite runner and has elite size. He also didn't go in the first round because of some concerns but Nix is more like Mariota than he is Hurts
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Muhammad interfered for like 10 seconds, lol. Oregon targeted him in first game and abused him. Need to do it more in second half.
That's not PI. Receiver engaged as well and he absolutely gave up on the play. Play on. The booth official was spot on.
You cannot impede a receiver on a route and hold him. It’s textbook interference.
Yes, you know more than the official in the booth.
That was a "we need 20-10 at halftime" call
It’s a rule. You don’t have to like it but it was called correctly.
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Muhammad interfered for like 10 seconds, lol. Oregon targeted him in first game and abused him. Need to do it more in second half.
That's not PI. Receiver engaged as well and he absolutely gave up on the play. Play on. The booth official was spot on.
You cannot impede a receiver on a route and hold him. It’s textbook interference.
Yes, you know more than the official in the booth.
That was a "we need 20-10 at halftime" call
It’s a rule. You don’t have to like it but it was called correctly.
You got it. You clearly know the rule better than the guy who was an official for decades that espn pays to analyze these things. Sorry for doubting you
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Nix seems to have all the tools and intangibles. I can see him going mid-first to mid-second round.
I think he's going to go 2nd round. I want no part of him for the Giants though. He doesn't have all of the tools. There's not one tool in his toolbox thats elite. Intangibles i'll give you
QBs get overdrafted and a lot of teams need QBs which is why I put him as a possibility in the middle of the 1st.
I don’t know that the next QB has to be elite at anything if he is good at everything. He seems smart which to me is the most necessary tool. I think he can make the throws you need. His arm is not a wow, but it is strong enough.
Gun to my head, if I had to take one of these guys for the Giants it would be Nix. Penix is a better passer, but just too many other concerns. I think Nix has a better NFL career if he ends up in the right situation (which later picks often do).
There was no infraction or impediment. They both stopped and it was overthrown. Terrible terrible call.
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Muhammad interfered for like 10 seconds, lol. Oregon targeted him in first game and abused him. Need to do it more in second half.
That's not PI. Receiver engaged as well and he absolutely gave up on the play. Play on. The booth official was spot on.
You cannot impede a receiver on a route and hold him. It’s textbook interference.
Yes, you know more than the official in the booth.
That was a "we need 20-10 at halftime" call
It’s a rule. You don’t have to like it but it was called correctly.
You got it. You clearly know the rule better than the guy who was an official for decades that espn pays to analyze these things. Sorry for doubting you
And I’m sure had that been a call against ND, your opinion would be the same.
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Nix seems to have all the tools and intangibles. I can see him going mid-first to mid-second round.
I think he's going to go 2nd round. I want no part of him for the Giants though. He doesn't have all of the tools. There's not one tool in his toolbox thats elite. Intangibles i'll give you
QBs get overdrafted and a lot of teams need QBs which is why I put him as a possibility in the middle of the 1st.
I don’t know that the next QB has to be elite at anything if he is good at everything. He seems smart which to me is the most necessary tool. I think he can make the throws you need. His arm is not a wow, but it is strong enough.
Gun to my head, if I had to take one of these guys for the Giants it would be Nix. Penix is a better passer, but just too many other concerns. I think Nix has a better NFL career if he ends up in the right situation (which later picks often do).
Penix health is such a yellow flag. He’s one knee injury away from being in the waiting line for needing a new knee. The one shoulder injury he had scares me too.
Had the receiver tried to actually go by him and not totally give up on the play, it would have deserved a flag.
There was no infraction or impediment. They both stopped and it was overthrown. Terrible terrible call.
Yes it was. But that’s what happens sometimes.
This is why Oregon was 9 points favored.
Yep. Terrible
You’re a great dude, Dennis - love your participation on Mets threads - but this game is faaaaaar from over.
Hoping UO defense can get a stop here
I like a lot of what I am seeing from Nix.
4th and 5 midfield down 10 felt like it. This game is probably over if Washington goes up 17.
I think they needed to go for it. A FG Washington can go back up 14 and you’re going to have to make back to back stops to tie it. Going for it they have to go 98 yards if you miss
Of course. But I give Lanning credit for being aggressive, needed that to try and flip the momentum.
The arm angle on the td is something we’d never see
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Lanning is super aggressive. Agree that i would kicked there, but that’s what he does. Can’t say i agree with him most of the time
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But in that situation I think the FG is the safer choice.
Of course. But I give Lanning credit for being aggressive, needed that to try and flip the momentum.
Dude should walk around with a wheelbarrow between his legs...LOL
Had the same thought on the TD throw.
His mobility or lack thereof is a reason not to draft him.
Time for Nix to clinch the heisman.
Ah, the DB ran off the field and Nix didn't see him come back on....WTF?
+1. I agree. For several reasons. He's a really good college QB, not an NFL caliber QB.
His mobility or lack thereof is a reason not to draft him.
Time for Nix to clinch the heisman.
It’s going to be Daniels.
Looks like The DB went off the field and came back on...
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hes a day 2 pick.
+1. I agree. For several reasons. He's a really good college QB, not an NFL caliber QB.
i wouldnt go that far.
i think hes an NFL starting QB.
being a first round QB is a high bar for me.
daniel jones was not a first round qb for me.
He never saw him once he stepped off. Its a bad int at a bad time, it happens.
Not at all. And these guys are absolutely not 2nd/3rd round picks. The only reason I could see one of them sliding is Penix, and that is based on the injury history.
It will be bad. Very very bad.
Nix at least has football savvy and intuition. I’d take Ewers well before Penix.
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It will be bad. Very very bad.
I don't know about Nix, but Penix woukd be very very bad (insert Daffy Duck voice).
But there's a decent chance he doesn't declare and goes back to Georgia. He's sneaky good though.
Depends - if NYG trades into late first round? Not terrible.
That said - better if they can snag nix with SEA 2nd round pick.
Yes, Gross could have made that.
Missed opportunity for UDub to recapture the momentum.
Either one is a huge upgrade over the existing QB room. Doesn't mean they are 1st rounders, either. But I am not knowledgeable enough to say what round they go.
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Yes, Gross could have made that.
Missed opportunity for UDub to recapture the momentum.
These coaches always seem to outthink themselves.
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Who can make a 45 yard FG? I don’t get it
Yes, Gross could have made that.
Missed opportunity for UDub to recapture the momentum.
It’s just so dumb. Take the points there
Now D needs to step up again
+1. I was just thinking the same thing. Penix needs ro show something, NOW.
Not if he is trying for a TD - although I agree QBs last longer feet first.
Again - game faaaar from over. 9.5 seemed really high
PAC2 is easily the most entertaining the conference in the country...
+1.
Did you think he was hiding? I am sure there is a non-troubling reason for that.
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Penix better start showing something soon.
+1. I was just thinking the same thing. Penix needs ro show something, NOW.
Need to start pounding the ball again.
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Penix better start showing something soon.
+1. I was just thinking the same thing. Penix needs ro show something, NOW.
Need to start pounding the ball again.
+1. Aree. They need to go back to what worked in the 1st Q.
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What up with that. Anyone think that is acceptable?
Did you think he was hiding? I am sure there is a non-troubling reason for that.
Would like to know what is is. Just seems strange.
LOL, see how right I was.
+1. Great game regardless of who wins.
Agree
good call.
No sideline reporters at all....
Completely stupid
No they are stupid. ESPN does these in-game interviews of coaches on the hockey coverage too and it is just as annoying and uninteresting.
Maybe top ten day two for Nix.
Neither is anywhere near a lottery pick for me...
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Certainly not top 10.
Maybe top ten day two for Nix.
Neither is anywhere near a lottery pick for me...
Agree. These guys are not top 10 picks at all.
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Certainly not top 10.
Maybe top ten day two for Nix.
Neither is anywhere near a lottery pick for me...
Agree. These guys are not top 10 picks at all.
_+1. Agree also.
Just like the last game they played, UW won, 36-33.
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Certainly not top 10.
Maybe top ten day two for Nix.
Neither is anywhere near a lottery pick for me...
Agree. These guys are not top 10 picks at all.
Nothing bad with that. I can see Giants taking Nix in 2nd.
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Certainly not top 10.
Maybe top ten day two for Nix.
Neither is anywhere near a lottery pick for me...
Agree. These guys are not top 10 picks at all.
I’m not sure that anyone thought they were top 10
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Certainly not top 10.
Maybe top ten day two for Nix.
Neither is anywhere near a lottery pick for me...
Agree. These guys are not top 10 picks at all.
I’m not sure that anyone thought they were top 10
No I don’t either, but that was the comment I was responding too.
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Certainly not top 10.
Maybe top ten day two for Nix.
Neither is anywhere near a lottery pick for me...
Agree. These guys are not top 10 picks at all.
I’m not sure that anyone thought they were top 10
No I don’t either, but that was the comment I was responding too.
Because there is/was a lot of Heisman hype around both of them.
This! Heck watching the Cowboys and Seahawks game Thurs night made me both angry and sad.
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Certainly not top 10.
Maybe top ten day two for Nix.
Neither is anywhere near a lottery pick for me...
Agree. These guys are not top 10 picks at all.
I’m not sure that anyone thought they were top 10
No I don’t either, but that was the comment I was responding too.
These guys are top 25. At best. Probably 35
Terrific O series by the UW.
It’s incredible that he’s as accurate as he is on some of these throws.
He’s a hard pass for me as far as the Giants are concerned, unless it’s a Day 3 flier/project.
It’s incredible that he’s as accurate as he is on some of these throws.
He’s a hard pass for me as far as the Giants are concerned, unless it’s a Day 3 flier/project.
+1.
Never understood the logic in saving for offense. Especially in todays age of analytics its a no brainer
UDub has an SEC-type OL.
Thanks Speedy. I feel bad for your son, I'm sorry.
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UDub has an SEC-type OL.
They may, but I'm not sure they would force more than 1 or 2 punts the entire game.
Georgia's offense is scary this year and not many people realize it
Georgia's offense is scary this year and not many people realize it
The Georgia OL gives Beck all day to throw, too.
Typical PAC2 game, actually...
It's a gamble to give up 20 yards...
No, the right call.
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Onside kick? Stupid
It's a gamble to give up 20 yards...
No it’s not. Stupid decision
Clock management gets worse and worse. Baffling
No it’s not. Stupid decision
I'm supporting it. I'm telling you the theory.
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Right here. Defense disappears when the game is on the line.
Typical PAC2 game, actually...
Yeah but there are 12 teams in the conference now, so actually it is PAC-12.
Yeah but there are 12 teams in the conference now, so actually it is PAC-12.
It's a joke because only Wazu and Oregon State are the remaining members.
There are t-shirts that say PAC2...
And not a good one,
Michigan-FSU or some such wouldn't compute.
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No it’s not. Stupid decision
I'm supporting it. I'm telling you the theory.
You can support all you want. The odds of recovering the kick are miniscule. Add in that field position matters in a 3 point game - stupid decision.
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No it’s not. Stupid decision
I'm supporting it. I'm telling you the theory.
You can support all you want. The odds of recovering the kick are miniscule. Add in that field position matters in a 3 point game - stupid decision.
Sorry, I meant not supporting it.
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No it’s not. Stupid decision
I'm supporting it. I'm telling you the theory.
You can support all you want. The odds of recovering the kick are miniscule. Add in that field position matters in a 3 point game - stupid decision.
Sorry, I meant not supporting it.
Ah ok. Not the reason why they lost. But lanning has shown to be a poor in game manager when it matters.
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Yeah but there are 12 teams in the conference now, so actually it is PAC-12.
It's a joke because only Wazu and Oregon State are the remaining members.
There are t-shirts that say PAC2...
I understand the joke, but I went to a PAC-12 school and it disappoints me greatly to see this conference disappear after tonight.
Next year the conference is dead, but it isn’t yet.
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No it’s not. Stupid decision
I'm supporting it. I'm telling you the theory.
You can support all you want. The odds of recovering the kick are miniscule. Add in that field position matters in a 3 point game - stupid decision.
The odds of stopping them was quite low. As we saw. That’s why it was worth taking a chance.
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No it’s not. Stupid decision
I'm supporting it. I'm telling you the theory.
You can support all you want. The odds of recovering the kick are miniscule. Add in that field position matters in a 3 point game - stupid decision.
The odds of stopping them was quite low. As we saw. That’s why it was worth taking a chance.
The odds would have been the same from the 40 or the 20. Back them and take your chances. Period
Embarrassing. OL or Johnson for sure.
Penix is a lazy choice...
TD 10-0 (16 of 50)
TD 17-3 (71 of 75)
FG 20-3 (55 of 64)
TD 27-24 (60 of 75)
TD 34-24 (65 of 82)
Except for the first TD drive, UW's scoring drives were almost all Penix.
I have no position on Penix's draft status, but he was clearly the MVP of this game.
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No it’s not. Stupid decision
I'm supporting it. I'm telling you the theory.
You can support all you want. The odds of recovering the kick are miniscule. Add in that field position matters in a 3 point game - stupid decision.
The odds of stopping them was quite low. As we saw. That’s why it was worth taking a chance.
The odds would have been the same from the 40 or the 20. Back them and take your chances. Period
You try to recover the onside kick. That’s your best chance. Particularly with the wat the defense was playing.
That 23% success rate is exactly why you try it. You're automatically assuming they will never get it which is dumb. The reward for getting it is plenty worth the risk of 20 yards. If you ever get it you don't have to worry about getting a stop.
I really dont see the argument for kicking it deep in college. NFL I do, not college.
That 23% success rate is exactly why you try it. You're automatically assuming they will never get it which is dumb. The reward for getting it is plenty worth the risk of 20 yards. If you ever get it you don't have to worry about getting a stop.
I really dont see the argument for kicking it deep in college. NFL I do, not college.
If you kick it deep and they get one first down the game is over. Why wouldn’t you take a shot at getting the ball back? 10/10 times there you onside kick it. Washington isn’t trying to score so the field position point is irrelevant. They’re running twice and maybe throwing it on third down at the sticks.
I’m not sure what to make of Penix. If Georgia wins then presumably it will be Washington vs Michigan in the CFP semifinal. That game will say a lot about him b/c he won’t have clean pockets like he did for most of the game vs Oregon.
I think Penix has the stronger arm and is accurate deep. Can make quick throws. Not sure he reads a quickly as Nix but he had so much more time last night was able to go through possessions. He did make a couple nice emergency throws under pressure. He would be 2nd/3rd round option if not for the knee surgeries. I would take if still there in 4th(he won't be)
I think Nix reads quicker, is accurate up to mid ranges, is more elusive in the pocket. Release is very quick. I did not see enough deep balls but his arm is plenty strong enough and certainly stronger than some on the thread were saying. I would say he is Brock Purdy with a better arm(better runner). The offense Oregon runs may be masking issues with mid to deep throws but I wouldn't mind them taking him in either the 2nd or 3rd round.
Both are upgrades to what the Giants have. Very leery of Penix knees that is why I would take him later.
It’s incredible that he’s as accurate as he is on some of these throws.
He’s a hard pass for me as far as the Giants are concerned, unless it’s a Day 3 flier/project.
We have DJ for ‘24 (and possibly ‘25, if he earns it) which puts us in good position to work on mechanical issues and actually groom a qb like teams did back in the day.
I thought both QB's looked pretty solid. Both had the int's and Nix's was a what the heck...
Not sure how well Penix would perform in the pocket in the NFL. I think the scouts will have to look at all the pressure plays and see if his mechanics break down which makes him off target. I thought he showed he is not just a one read QB but he did have the good ground game/pass pro.
Nix showed he is pretty athletic and willing to lower the shoulder (I wouldn't want this often in the NFL). He seems capable of processing and letting it rip quickly. He did not have very good support with his run game/PP
We will see how it plays out but I think Nix is going round 1 and Penix later 2nd/3rd round.
Well done to Washington and congrats on making the CFP.
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But his mechanics are awful. He must have an incredibly strong arm because every throw is off his back foot and/or off balance, even when he has time.
It’s incredible that he’s as accurate as he is on some of these throws.
He’s a hard pass for me as far as the Giants are concerned, unless it’s a Day 3 flier/project.
We’re likely to miss out on the blue chip QBs so I’m good going with Pennix’s high-upside arm in the 2nd or with a trade into rd 1.
We have DJ for ‘24 (and possibly ‘25, if he earns it) which puts us in good position to work on mechanical issues and actually groom a qb like teams did back in the day.
They aren't out on the top two guys at all. Or Daniels. Ewers and McCarthy will be more sought than Nix and Penix at the end of the day, too if they declare.
Some good throws though throughout the night (and some mistakes) to suggest they have NFL talent in them for sure but I see more Day 2 picks than anything. And not enough from either to trade back into or push them up into RD 1.
Some good throws though throughout the night (and some mistakes) to suggest they have NFL talent in them for sure but I see more Day 2 picks than anything. And not enough from either to trade back into or push them up into RD 1.
Agreed - both looked like good college QBs. Nothing screamed top of round 1.
Oregons defense just really was not up to any challenge either.
Excited to see the Bama-Georgia game today.
That 23% success rate is exactly why you try it. You're automatically assuming they will never get it which is dumb. The reward for getting it is plenty worth the risk of 20 yards. If you ever get it you don't have to worry about getting a stop.
I really dont see the argument for kicking it deep in college. NFL I do, not college.
100% agree.
if you dont get a stop on 1 possession the game is over anyway so giving up the field position is negligible. it is 1 good play on offense.
is the difficulty of getting 20 yards worth a 1 in 4 chance at a turnover? 100% yes. Especially when you just had a 30 second drive consisting of 2 plays that went over 20+ yards.
the fact that the game ended the way it did with field position not mattering because they couldnt get a stop proves that any decision that gave them a chance to avoid playing defense was worth it.
accepting the penalty was a much worse decision than the onsides kick.
nix has some moxie to his game and i think the athleticism is a big plus. the arm talent is probably good enough so with him i think it all comes down to the fit with whatever team is picking him and their system. and obviously how well they think he can handle all the work that comes with being an nfl qb.
end of the day that's kind of what all these decisions come down to. haskins didnt bust for lack of talent or even bc of his lack of athleticism but because he wasnt prepared to be an nfl qb off the field.
this is the deepest qb class in recent memory but imo they all have flaws (including caleb/maye). i think bryce/lawrence/burrow would have rated ahead of any of them as prospects.
Man, they suck.
Man, they suck.
I have no idea if they have any actual talent because they clearly are not well coached.
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Don't draft anyone from Oklahoma St defense.
Man, they suck.
I have no idea if they have any actual talent because they clearly are not well coached.
Agree. They can't rush the passer, cover or tackle. They look like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off running around out there.
The best hit they had was hitting the Texas guy out of bounds.
The refs have to stop this game on TKO.
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Don't draft anyone from Oklahoma St defense.
Man, they suck.
I have no idea if they have any actual talent because they clearly are not well coached.
Agree. They can't rush the passer, cover or tackle. They look like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off running around out there.
The best hit they had was hitting the Texas guy out of bounds.
Either that, or Texas has a really good offense.
The refs have to stop this game on TKO.
Just another game in the Big 12, really...
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Don't draft anyone from Oklahoma St defense.
Man, they suck.
I have no idea if they have any actual talent because they clearly are not well coached.
Agree. They can't rush the passer, cover or tackle. They look like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off running around out there.
The best hit they had was hitting the Texas guy out of bounds.
Both U/OK and OKS have been run and gun for about 60 years, with little D.
Most games end up basketball scores.
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How did Ewers not see the defender?
Clearly not. Seemed to get a bit nonchalant...
Have to give Ewers some slack there.
No one had seen anybody on OK St. Defense on the field in this game yet either.
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How did Ewers not see the defender?
Clearly not. Seemed to get a bit nonchalant...
That was inexplicably bad
Have to give Ewers some slack there.
No one had seen anybody on OK St. Defense on the field in this game yet either.
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Have to give Ewers some slack there.
No one had seen anybody on OK St. Defense on the field in this game yet either.
Well played.
Agreed, nicely done
Ewers is so maddening. Throws it 60 yards on a dime then misses an easy out route for a TD - lol.
But I like him too. Think he would have been my 4th QB this year.
This is a massacre.
Ewers is so maddening. Throws it 60 yards on a dime then misses an easy out route for a TD - lol.
But I like him too. Think he would have been my 4th QB this year.
The bold sums it up well.
This is a massacre.
I can't watch this any longer. It's pathetic to even suggest this is a conf championship game.
Will tune back in when the real games start.
It's going to be very interesting if Ewers returns to school. I assume that Texas wants to start Arch Manning next year. Would they risk him transferring by starting Ewers again if he returns?
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It's going to be very interesting if Ewers returns to school. I assume that Texas wants to start Arch Manning next year. Would they risk him transferring by starting Ewers again if he returns?
It’s not even a question. Arch will have enormous interest/options.
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No, Murphy probably does. They have a deep QB room.
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Does Arch transfer?
No, Murphy probably does. They have a deep QB room.
There is no way Manning sits another year behind Ewers. He will 100 percent transfer out.
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Does Arch transfer?
No, Murphy probably does. They have a deep QB room.
There is no way Manning sits another year behind Ewers. He will 100 percent transfer out.
Nope, Manning loves it there. He has been a Texas fan since he was a kid, which is why he chose them. He'll get his years to play.
Murphy is the guy who needs to move. I'd he wants to showcase his skills it's not happening at Texas. This is Archie's job next.
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Does Arch transfer?
No, Murphy probably does. They have a deep QB room.
There is no way Manning sits another year behind Ewers. He will 100 percent transfer out.
Nope, Manning loves it there. He has been a Texas fan since he was a kid, which is why he chose them. He'll get his years to play.
Murphy is the guy who needs to move. I'd he wants to showcase his skills it's not happening at Texas. This is Archie's job next.
Hes not sitting another year.
There is no way Manning sits another year behind Ewers. He will 100 percent transfer out.
If Ewers stays, one of the three has to transfer because Maalik Murphy is going to want to play, too. And he's got some skills as well...
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There is no way Manning sits another year behind Ewers. He will 100 percent transfer out.
If Ewers stays, one of the three has to transfer because Maalik Murphy is going to want to play, too. And he's got some skills as well...
It’s not even if he likes Texas that much. He has to play soon. He needs to play and get quick experience. Peyton actually was talking about this on a podcast recently about college QBs coming to NFL, folks were discussing differences in QB levels etc.
I don’t think so. Texas is the next man up if FSU falters or looks unimpressive
I certainly hope not...
Way too easy!
Bad sign for the Crimson Tide.
Over in the first quarter?
Will the Tide roll?
Or roll over?
Nice TD drive by Bama there
I pray FSU wins big so that the shit will hit the fan.
In the left flat.
Georgia needs to get the ball to Bowers & open up the offense.
Between the tackles.
I pray FSU wins big so that the shit will hit the fan.
Wouldn’t it really hit the fan if FSU loses?
In that scenario- a loss by Georgia and FSU - who is #1, Washington or Michigan? (Assuming Michigan wins). My guess is Washington.
Depends on FSU.
Why is Bama definitely in over Texas, who was very impressive today, plus they beat Bama.
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If Bama wins, they are definitely in. But what about UGA?
Why is Bama definitely in over Texas, who was very impressive today, plus they beat Bama.
If FSU loses, then Bama and Texas both in
That would certainly make it interesting
Yep - on the PI the receiver could have walked into the end zone if he leads him
Questionable officials are not limited to NFL. UGA is definitely going to be at a disadvantage.
That is huge!
I was wondering if he's related to Phil McConkey. (Apparently not.)
This feels different to me. Alabama smells blood.
At the LOS.
Can’t stop the run.
Zero pass rush.
Either that changes or they’re Dawg Meat.
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But his mechanics are awful. He must have an incredibly strong arm because every throw is off his back foot and/or off balance, even when he has time.
It’s incredible that he’s as accurate as he is on some of these throws.
He’s a hard pass for me as far as the Giants are concerned, unless it’s a Day 3 flier/project.
We’re likely to miss out on the blue chip QBs so I’m good going with Pennix’s high-upside arm in the 2nd or with a trade into rd 1.
We have DJ for ‘24 (and possibly ‘25, if he earns it) which puts us in good position to work on mechanical issues and actually groom a qb like teams did back in the day.
They aren't out on the top two guys at all. Or Daniels. Ewers and McCarthy will be more sought than Nix and Penix at the end of the day, too if they declare.
If not, the difference between Pennix and Ewars/McCarthy my be negligible or even in Pennix’s favor. In which case getting top-10 pick + Pennix would be better than using our early first for a mid- late-1st round qb talent and a 2nd on our 1st position player.
At least 1, maybe 2 draft spots.
Another one right there. Overthrows and underthrows a lot.
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If Bama wins, they are definitely in. But what about UGA?
Why is Bama definitely in over Texas, who was very impressive today, plus they beat Bama.
Yes. It would be a joke if Alabama gets in over Texas.
More curious about UGA if Dawgs lose.
More curious about UGA if Dawgs lose.
If FSU and Michigan win who are they getting in over?
More curious about UGA if Dawgs lose.
If Bama wins and FSU wins they will have a real conundrum on their hands. Texas already beat Bama, in Tuscaloosa. But the committee doesn’t have the guts to leave out the SEC. They’d be more likely to put both Georgia and Bama than leave them out. And FSU would be undefeated. Either way, there’s going to be plenty ofpissed off schools tomorrow, lol
More curious about UGA if Dawgs lose.
They’re done if they lose. The Texas win guaranteed that.
I’m working under the assumption there’s a zero percent chance of Michigan losing.
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If Bama wins, they’re in. SEC champion is getting in.
More curious about UGA if Dawgs lose.
If FSU and Michigan win who are they getting in over?
They will use their FSU “QB is hurt” excuse. The committee isn’t leaving out the SEC under any circumstances. It would be funny if they did, but they don’t have the balls to actually do it
At least 1, maybe 2 draft spots.
If the Giants lose out, the Commanders beat the Jets, and the Jets beat NE it is likely the Giants get no. 4 (possible tie with Tenn.) Of course, you know the Jets will lose to Pats. In that case they likely get 4 and it would be Giants versus Tennessee for 5. But watch the Giants win two and fall to 15.
5 of the top 13 teams in the Country isn’t enough for you? Do they need 3 in the top 5 to be a vintage season?
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And Alabama was lucky as hell to beat Auburn. This is not a vintage SEC season.
5 of the top 13 teams in the Country isn’t enough for you? Do they need 3 in the top 5 to be a vintage season?
You think these Georgia and Alabama teams are comparable to any of their teams for the last 4 or 5 years?
I think if Bama wins it goes:
Michigan
Washington
Texas
Alabama
And FSU is left at the altar. Not saying I agree with it but they simply are not leaving out the SEC and they would then have to bow down to Texas because they can’t add Alabama over Texas. They’d rather face backlash from Tallahassee than face down the cult in SEC land
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And Alabama was lucky as hell to beat Auburn. This is not a vintage SEC season.
5 of the top 13 teams in the Country isn’t enough for you? Do they need 3 in the top 5 to be a vintage season?
You think these Georgia and Alabama teams are comparable to any of their teams for the last 4 or 5 years?
The Conference has three of the top ten teams and UGA has won 20 something games in a row to this point and that’s not good enough for you?
Maybe Georgia and Bama aren’t as great as some of their other past teams but they have one loss between them and are odds on favorites to win it all.
Vintage enough Conference for me.
2. Alabama
3. Washington
4. Texas
I agree that unless FSU beats Louisville fairly handily, they will be screwed.
Are there four better teams than them? I say no and think they could win it all so I can’t see how they’d be left out if they win.
Biggest loser of the weekend would be UGA because in any other year I could see them still getting in but not this year if they lose.
I agree that unless FSU beats Louisville fairly handily, they will be screwed.
Gotta take into consideration two of their best O players are hurt and gutting it out. Bowers hasn’t been the same since he’s come back and he’s been a huge weapon for them pre injury.
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could both be beat by any of the top 6 teams. Looks like Georgia has been overrated. And a great job by Alabama. Georgia's offense has been awful.
I agree that unless FSU beats Louisville fairly handily, they will be screwed.
Gotta take into consideration two of their best O players are hurt and gutting it out. Bowers hasn’t been the same since he’s come back and he’s been a huge weapon for them pre injury.
Most people don’t seem to sympathetic with FSU for their QB being injured.
Georgia too far too much time to get that TD. Wasted 1:30 or more.
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could both be beat by any of the top 6 teams. Looks like Georgia has been overrated. And a great job by Alabama. Georgia's offense has been awful.
I agree that unless FSU beats Louisville fairly handily, they will be screwed.
Gotta take into consideration two of their best O players are hurt and gutting it out. Bowers hasn’t been the same since he’s come back and he’s been a huge weapon for them pre injury.
Most people don’t seem to sympathetic with FSU for their QB being injured.
I think that’s a huge injury and even if they win could be just the out the Committee is looking for to keep them out.
I only mentioned UGA’s injuries on O because they’ve clearly had an effect on how they’ve performed today.
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could both be beat by any of the top 6 teams. Looks like Georgia has been overrated. And a great job by Alabama. Georgia's offense has been awful.
I agree that unless FSU beats Louisville fairly handily, they will be screwed.
Gotta take into consideration two of their best O players are hurt and gutting it out. Bowers hasn’t been the same since he’s come back and he’s been a huge weapon for them pre injury.
Most people don’t seem to sympathetic with FSU for their QB being injured.
I think that’s a huge injury and even if they win could be just the out the Committee is looking for to keep them out.
I only mentioned UGA’s injuries on O because they’ve clearly had an effect on how they’ve performed today.
Oh, I fully agree. I just think if people are going to excuse Georgia’s loss today as being because they’re banged up, it would be hypocritical to keep FSU out if they win, but not convincingly.
And I was wrong - they only needed one more first down
It was a great game (no dog in the hunt). The talking heads are lauding Millroe but I thought he was really inaccurate as a passer.
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could both be beat by any of the top 6 teams. Looks like Georgia has been overrated. And a great job by Alabama. Georgia's offense has been awful.
I agree that unless FSU beats Louisville fairly handily, they will be screwed.
Gotta take into consideration two of their best O players are hurt and gutting it out. Bowers hasn’t been the same since he’s come back and he’s been a huge weapon for them pre injury.
Most people don’t seem to sympathetic with FSU for their QB being injured.
I think that’s a huge injury and even if they win could be just the out the Committee is looking for to keep them out.
I only mentioned UGA’s injuries on O because they’ve clearly had an effect on how they’ve performed today.
Oh, I fully agree. I just think if people are going to excuse Georgia’s loss today as being because they’re banged up, it would be hypocritical to keep FSU out if they win, but not convincingly.
No I’m definitely not using it as an excuse to keep them in the top four. Just for them not playing as well on O as they have.
I do think they have a shot to get in but would need both UM and FSU to lose tonight.
Right now I see it even with FSU winning tonight:
UM
UW
UT
Bama
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As bad as these QBs are just wait until you see Iowa’s QB.
It was a great game (no dog in the hunt). The talking heads are lauding Millroe but I thought he was really inaccurate as a passer.
Agreed. He’s lucky Bond is such a good player
Me either. If FSU wins it should be:
Michigan
Washington
FSU
Texas
Bama beating Georgia is more impressive than Texas beating Bama in Milroes second start
They won’t. If they win today than they prove that they can win a big game with the new QB.
Because the ACC is a cupcake conference compared to the SEC… and I’m an NC St guy. Top 4 regardless of tonite should be:
Michigan
Washington
Texas
Alabama
The NCAA gods waited 1 year too long to expand the playoffs, and it serves them right for the flack they’ll now deal with.
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I don’t see how they keep an undefeated power conference champion out over a team with 1 loss.
Because the ACC is a cupcake conference compared to the SEC… and I’m an NC St guy. Top 4 regardless of tonite should be:
Michigan
Washington
Texas
Alabama
The NCAA gods waited 1 year too long to expand the playoffs, and it serves them right for the flack they’ll now deal with.
FSU has beaten two SEC teams this year.
Neither of these teams looked worthy
To be honest alot of people are kinda sick of all the slurpage the SEC gets
Neither of these teams looked worthy
To be honest alot of people are kinda sick of all the slurpage the SEC gets
The SEC has been the best college football conference for 25+ years. And it still is.
Appreciate the greatness.
Neither of these teams looked worthy
To be honest alot of people are kinda sick of all the slurpage the SEC gets
Agree.
BTW, Louisville is not a top 25 team. FSU should beat them handily, even with a 3rd string QB. If they don't, ya then they're out.
FSU will likely win because of (1) they are going to be emotionally charged and (2) their D should be good enough to handle most of the heavy lifting tonight.
Neither of these teams looked worthy
To be honest alot of people are kinda sick of all the slurpage the SEC gets
Yeah right. Not worthy.
The SEC would be considered a weak conference this year, except of course for all the rest.
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This is it.
Neither of these teams looked worthy
To be honest alot of people are kinda sick of all the slurpage the SEC gets
The SEC has been the best college football conference for 25+ years. And it still is.
Appreciate the greatness.
Right there with ya bw.
has great movement skills
5 star athelete
coached by harbaugh...
theres a lot to like here, would love to see him stay a year and run a pass first offense in 2024.
has great movement skills
5 star athelete
coached by harbaugh...
theres a lot to like here, would love to see him stay a year and run a pass first offense in 2024.
I doubt Michigan will ever be a pass first offense
Oh, really? And Louisville OL isn't holding?
Iowa has a good D.
Michigan needs to get the ball to Loveland.
Their offense sucks.
Their offense sucks.
You are seriously undervaluing Iowa’s D. And this game isn’t over yet
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Against Bama or Texas or Washington.
Their offense sucks.
You are seriously undervaluing Iowa’s D. And this game isn’t over yet
They’re not the 85 bears. They’re good. Michigan offense is bland and boring which is Taylor made for a game like this. Michigan OL isn’t as good as people think and their WRs don’t scare anyone.
Michigan if they win better pray FsU is the 4th seed
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Against Bama or Texas or Washington.
Their offense sucks.
You are seriously undervaluing Iowa’s D. And this game isn’t over yet
They’re not the 85 bears. They’re good. Michigan offense is bland and boring which is Taylor made for a game like this. Michigan OL isn’t as good as people think and their WRs don’t scare anyone.
I’m pretty sure you’ve made these same comments on every single Michigan game these past three weeks.
It’s a run first offense and right now the Michigan receivers aren’t making plays. The throw to Loveland was a good play. He needs to catch that
They may need go to more wildcat.
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Against Bama or Texas or Washington.
Their offense sucks.
You are seriously undervaluing Iowa’s D. And this game isn’t over yet
They’re not the 85 bears. They’re good. Michigan offense is bland and boring which is Taylor made for a game like this. Michigan OL isn’t as good as people think and their WRs don’t scare anyone.
I’m pretty sure you’ve made these same comments on every single Michigan game these past three weeks.
It’s a run first offense and right now the Michigan receivers aren’t making plays. The throw to Loveland was a good play. He needs to catch that
You’re a homer. Their offense isn’t good. Their tackles are very poor. They are without Zinter now. They are ultra conservative. Their offense is too slow to compete with the other teams.
Defense is very very good. But they need more offense. Instead of worrying about running it all year - they should have been more open earlier in the season and work on their pass game.
Their OL got dominated in the first half in the pass game against PSU and Iowa is feasting on him.
Not with this QB. Rodemaker probably back by then. But I understand the sentiment.
I also do not like the play calls by Norvell. That mesh handoff he kept calling in the 1st quarter was useless.
They just aren't the same team with Travis. Which is unfortunate because he was having a brilliant year.
If the committee applies an eye test, so they say, then FSU is failing enormously on the offensive side of the ball.
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Michigan’s strength is its defense.
Defense is very very good. But they need more offense. Instead of worrying about running it all year - they should have been more open earlier in the season and work on their pass game.
Their OL got dominated in the first half in the pass game against PSU and Iowa is feasting on him.
Jim Harbaugh’s offenses tend not to do well without a decent running game. Their inability to establish the run has been a challenge today.
Let’s see how the second half goes.
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Can any seriously say that FSU would beat Georgia, Texas, or Bama?
They just aren't the same team with Travis. Which is unfortunate because he was having a brilliant year.
If the committee applies an eye test, so they say, then FSU is failing enormously on the offensive side of the ball.
but this is with a 3rd string QB playing his first game. the 2nd string QB will be back for the playoffs. not exactly fair to apply the eye test to this game (although point taken, they are not really in the same league as some of the other top teams).
Edwards has averaged 3.4 YPC all year.
That just won’t get it done if they win tonight against the playoff teams.
17-0. Game is over.
The ratings have been dropping and are down 30 or 40% from where they were 10 years ago.
Watch Alabama get dropped because they are old hat and everyone is sick of seeing them in the phony- baloney playoffs and the ratings are down.
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is praying right now for Louisville.
this whole championship business is a phony made for tv event. The sporting press bitched and moaned about coaches polls and AP polls and so now they have a “selection committee” which is nothing but another poll by a tiny group.
The ratings have been dropping and are down 30 or 40% from where they were 10 years ago.
Watch Alabama get dropped because they are old hat and everyone is sick of seeing them in the phony- baloney playoffs and the ratings are down.
where do you see ratings are down? they are massively up!
WOWWWW
Why can't they? They have a championship caliber defense that has gotten better as the season has gone along. They can also run the ball as good as anyone in the country.
Finish the sentence: "Defense wins ____."
Now, also understand that Rodemaker would likely start over Glenn in the postseason game(s). Rodemaker hasn't yet shown what he can do, but they are going to do everything to get him ready and they are going to have a gameplan. It's not all about the QB. Yes, it's a big deal, but what FSU has at all the other positions can compete with anybody.
Some of you are underestimating how good this Florida State TEAM is.
If they win this game, they should be in. It's a slap in the face to have an undefeated Power 5 conference champion out of the CFP. It's never been done before and it has to matter that they won every game on their schedule. All this BS about "they're not better than Ohio State, Alabama, or Texas," well, those teams lost a game, and they didn't play FSU, so it's just subjective conjecture. The '0' on the loss side of the W-L column, it has to matter.
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is praying right now for Louisville.
this whole championship business is a phony made for tv event. The sporting press bitched and moaned about coaches polls and AP polls and so now they have a “selection committee” which is nothing but another poll by a tiny group.
The ratings have been dropping and are down 30 or 40% from where they were 10 years ago.
Watch Alabama get dropped because they are old hat and everyone is sick of seeing them in the phony- baloney playoffs and the ratings are down.
The Final 4 has not lived up to the billing for a variety of reasons. Two that stick out in my mind are the dates they play the games (currently the finals are a week after New Years and viewers lose interest; so, move the semis to Dec 24th and the finals back to New Years) and the competitiveness of the games have been God awful.
This is why the playoffs have been expanded to twelve games with the intentions to have more relevant bowls and, hopefully, have more competitive games.
Let's be honest. Outside of the F4 games, the bowls are exhibition games that have completely lost their fanfare. The ratings are poor across the board and attendance is also piss poor.
But I'm all for an expanded playoff. Just wish they had settled on just eight.
You are correct. This is a TV show when you strip it down to it's core. And getting the best ratings are a driver.
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Can any seriously say that FSU would beat Georgia, Texas, or Bama?
Why can't they? They have a championship caliber defense that has gotten better as the season has gone along. They can also run the ball as good as anyone in the country.
Finish the sentence: "Defense wins ____."
Now, also understand that Rodemaker would likely start over Glenn in the postseason game(s). Rodemaker hasn't yet shown what he can do, but they are going to do everything to get him ready and they are going to have a gameplan. It's not all about the QB. Yes, it's a big deal, but what FSU has at all the other positions can compete with anybody.
Some of you are underestimating how good this Florida State TEAM is.
If they win this game, they should be in. It's a slap in the face to have an undefeated Power 5 conference champion out of the CFP. It's never been done before and it has to matter that they won every game on their schedule. All this BS about "they're not better than Ohio State, Alabama, or Texas," well, those teams lost a game, and they didn't play FSU, so it's just subjective conjecture. The '0' on the loss side of the W-L column, it has to matter.
Thread winner right here ☝🏽.
Some of you are underestimating how good this Florida State TEAM is.
They were a really good team. Without their Heisman candidate, they are hanging on to be a good team. It's just a bad break.
Are they a better team right NOW than Alabama, Texas, or Georgia? NFW.
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Some of you are underestimating how good this Florida State TEAM is.
All those teams have 1 loss. Assuming FSU holds on to win with their true freshman 3rd string QB. lol come on man. Foh.
They were a really good team. Without their Heisman candidate, they are hanging on to be a good team. It's just a bad break.
Are they a better team right NOW than Alabama, Texas, or Georgia? NFW.
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Some of you are underestimating how good this Florida State TEAM is.
All those teams have 1 loss. Assuming FSU holds on to win with their true freshman 3rd string QB. lol come on man. Foh.
They were a really good team. Without their Heisman candidate, they are hanging on to be a good team. It's just a bad break.
Are they a better team right NOW than Alabama, Texas, or Georgia? NFW.
I fucked up the response.
All those teams have 1 loss. Assuming FSU holds on to win with their true freshman 3rd string QB. lol come on man. Foh.
All those teams have 1 loss. Assuming FSU holds on to win with their true freshman 3rd string QB. lol come on man. Foh.
So?
If Georgia played FSU right now, Georgia would be favored.
If Alabama played FSU right now, Alabama would be favored.
If Texas played FSU right now, Texas would be favored.
Why? The are better teams right now. And largely because FSU is missing their best offensive player.
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All those teams have 1 loss. Assuming FSU holds on to win with their true freshman 3rd string QB. lol come on man. Foh.
So?
If Georgia played FSU right now, Georgia would be favored.
If Alabama played FSU right now, Alabama would be favored.
If Texas played FSU right now, Texas would be favored.
Why? The are better teams right now. And largely because FSU is missing their best offensive player.
Hella it’s….. what is a fact is the fucking Noles are undefeated and absolutely deserve to be a top 4 team.
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All those teams have 1 loss. Assuming FSU holds on to win with their true freshman 3rd string QB. lol come on man. Foh.
So?
If Georgia played FSU right now, Georgia would be favored.
If Alabama played FSU right now, Alabama would be favored.
If Texas played FSU right now, Texas would be favored.
Why? The are better teams right now. And largely because FSU is missing their best offensive player.
If Rodemaker is at QB, and he will be, you need to re-assess your thinking.
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All those teams have 1 loss. Assuming FSU holds on to win with their true freshman 3rd string QB. lol come on man. Foh.
So?
If Georgia played FSU right now, Georgia would be favored.
If Alabama played FSU right now, Alabama would be favored.
If Texas played FSU right now, Texas would be favored.
Why? The are better teams right now. And largely because FSU is missing their best offensive player.
Hella it’s….. what is a fact is the fucking Noles are undefeated and absolutely deserve to be a top 4 team.
It’s *
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All those teams have 1 loss. Assuming FSU holds on to win with their true freshman 3rd string QB. lol come on man. Foh.
So?
If Georgia played FSU right now, Georgia would be favored.
If Alabama played FSU right now, Alabama would be favored.
If Texas played FSU right now, Texas would be favored.
Why? The are better teams right now. And largely because FSU is missing their best offensive player.
Hella it’s….. what is a fact is the fucking Noles are undefeated and absolutely deserve to be a top 4 team.
It’s *
If’s lol
Derp. 🤡
BTW, how would Fiske look in Blue next year?
Hella it’s….. what is a fact is the fucking Noles are undefeated and absolutely deserve to be a top 4 team.
They had a great year but suffered a horrible break at the wrong time.
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All those teams have 1 loss. Assuming FSU holds on to win with their true freshman 3rd string QB. lol come on man. Foh.
So?
If Georgia played FSU right now, Georgia would be favored.
If Alabama played FSU right now, Alabama would be favored.
If Texas played FSU right now, Texas would be favored.
Why? The are better teams right now. And largely because FSU is missing their best offensive player.
He's their most important offensive player. But he's arguably no better than the 3rd best offensive player. Keon Coleman and Trey Benson are better players on the offensive side. Arguably Toafili is better as well. That's no shade on Travis, either. But Coleman and Benson are studs.
BTW, how would Fiske look in Blue next year?
Louisville last at home last week to 6-5 Kentucky.
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Hella it’s….. what is a fact is the fucking Noles are undefeated and absolutely deserve to be a top 4 team.
They had a great year but suffered a horrible break at the wrong time.
So you eliminate a team that is 13-0, ACC Champion and probably with the best defense in the NCAA?
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has to do, but FSU just beat a top 14 team with their 3rd string QB.
BTW, how would Fiske look in Blue next year?
Louisville last at home last week to 6-5 Kentucky.
Louisville ranked #14....
If Rodemaker is at QB, and he will be, you need to re-assess your thinking.
You may have a point on a Texas match-up. I'm not changing on Bama and Georgia.
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has to do, but FSU just beat a top 14 team with their 3rd string QB.
BTW, how would Fiske look in Blue next year?
Louisville last at home last week to 6-5 Kentucky.
And, what do you think this score would have been if Tate Rodemaker was playing?
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If Rodemaker is at QB, and he will be, you need to re-assess your thinking.
You may have a point on a Texas match-up. I'm not changing on Bama and Georgia.
Neither looked very good today. Bama won last week on a 4th and 31 TD Hail Mary.
So you eliminate a team that is 13-0, ACC Champion and probably with the best defense in the NCAA?
I would, yes. It's an unfortunate call, but someone has to get left out.
Leaving out the SEC champ would be a very bad look.
He's their most important offensive player. But he's arguably no better than the 3rd best offensive player. Keon Coleman and Trey Benson are better players on the offensive side. Arguably Toafili is better as well. That's no shade on Travis, either. But Coleman and Benson are studs.
Okay, I buy that. Travis is their most important player - yes.
Neither looked very good today. Bama won last week on a 4th and 31 TD Hail Mary.
Yeah, that rivalry game is always crazy. Of course, Georgia also had to rally to beat Auburn as well. They were on the ropes...
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So you eliminate a team that is 13-0, ACC Champion and probably with the best defense in the NCAA?
I would, yes. It's an unfortunate call, but someone has to get left out.
Leaving out the SEC champ would be a very bad look.
Why because it’s the SEC. lol. Again, foh.
And, what do you think this score would have been if Tate Rodemaker was playing?
Tonight? I don't know. He looked awful against Florida.
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So you eliminate a team that is 13-0, ACC Champion and probably with the best defense in the NCAA?
I would, yes. It's an unfortunate call, but someone has to get left out.
Leaving out the SEC champ would be a very bad look.
Why? Georgia lost and Alabama was ranked 8th coming in today. FSU was 4th and beat the #14 team. In a regular week, neither would be ranked ahead of FSU would they.
As I have been saying, Brock Glenn will not be QB a month from now and Rodemaker will be and have a month to practice.
I do absolutely believe that FSU is going to get screwed because they lost their #1 and #2 QBs on back to back weeks. I do think they will move Alabama to #4 and put FSU at #5 or #6.
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If Rodemaker is at QB, and he will be, you need to re-assess your thinking.
You may have a point on a Texas match-up. I'm not changing on Bama and Georgia.
Neither looked very good today. Bama won last week on a 4th and 31 TD Hail Mary.
It wasn’t exactly a Hail Mary. They didn’t throw it up into a pack and hope their guy comes down with it.
It’s a play they prepare for and actually practice. Sure it was a near miracle to pull off but they ran it to perfection and made the play.
Biggest F up was Auburn only rushing two and keeping a spy on Milroe. He wasn’t going to scramble 31 yds for the score.
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And, what do you think this score would have been if Tate Rodemaker was playing?
Tonight? I don't know. He looked awful against Florida.
They won 24-15 AT UF and were only a 6 point favorite.
Why because it’s the SEC. lol. Again, foh.
Yes, because it's the best conference in the country. It's the gold standard. This isn't your best argument.
Look, this is what happens when you don't have an automatic qualifier system. It's a selection process.
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If Rodemaker is at QB, and he will be, you need to re-assess your thinking.
You may have a point on a Texas match-up. I'm not changing on Bama and Georgia.
Neither looked very good today. Bama won last week on a 4th and 31 TD Hail Mary.
It wasn’t exactly a Hail Mary. They didn’t throw it up into a pack and hope their guy comes down with it.
It’s a play they prepare for and actually practice. Sure it was a near miracle to pull off but they ran it to perfection and made the play.
Biggest F up was Auburn only rushing two and keeping a spy on Milroe. He wasn’t going to scramble 31 yds for the score.
Nit Picky but technically you are correct, but a chuck to the back of the endzone with the DB standing there is damn near a Hail Mary.
They won 24-15 AT UF and were only a 6 point favorite.
You asked me what kind of impact - or suggested such - if Rodemaker played tonight.
Well, he wasn't good at Gainsville. I'm not sure why I should think he would suddenly get much better for tonight's game...
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Why because it’s the SEC. lol. Again, foh.
Yes, because it's the best conference in the country. It's the gold standard. This isn't your best argument.
Look, this is what happens when you don't have an automatic qualifier system. It's a selection process.
Ok, we’ll agree to disagree. Time will tell soon enough. Peace and love.
I could see a sympathy vote for FSU, but Bama getting in over Texas.
And they eschew the H2H outcome by saying Bama looks like the better team NOW.
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They won 24-15 AT UF and were only a 6 point favorite.
You asked me what kind of impact - or suggested such - if Rodemaker played tonight.
Well, he wasn't good at Gainsville. I'm not sure why I should think he would suddenly get much better for tonight's game...
Because he would have had another week to practice and Norvell probably doesn't call such a conservative game. Basically Norvell did nothing offensively in the 1st half of that game.
2.) Washington
3.) Alabama
4.) Texas
5.) Georgia
6.) FSU
2.) Washington
3.) Alabama
4.) Texas
5.) Georgia
6.) FSU
This
I could see a sympathy vote for FSU, but Bama getting in over Texas.
And they eschew the H2H outcome by saying Bama looks like the better team NOW.
I could’ve seen that too before today but Texas was really impressive. If they skated by in a nail biter I’d feel differently but they put on a show for the Nation and committee today.
I think FSU is on the outside looking in tomorrow.
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All those teams have 1 loss. Assuming FSU holds on to win with their true freshman 3rd string QB. lol come on man. Foh.
So?
If Georgia played FSU right now, Georgia would be favored.
If Alabama played FSU right now, Alabama would be favored.
If Texas played FSU right now, Texas would be favored.
Why? The are better teams right now. And largely because FSU is missing their best offensive player.
Oregon was favored by 10 last night. Georgia was favored over Alabama. What does that mean.
Does anyone actually think this FSU defense is getting blown out by anyone?
Oregon was favored by 10 last night. Georgia was favored over Alabama. What does that mean.
Does anyone actually think this FSU defense is getting blown out by anyone?
The lines of those theoretical games are completely different if Travis is healthy.
I don't think FSU would get blown out. But I don't think they are a real threat on offense anymore, especially against one on of these F4 teams...
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Oregon was favored by 10 last night. Georgia was favored over Alabama. What does that mean.
Does anyone actually think this FSU defense is getting blown out by anyone?
The lines of those theoretical games are completely different if Travis is healthy.
I don't think FSU would get blown out. But I don't think they are a real threat on offense anymore, especially against one on of these F4 teams...
Right now if they had Travis, I think they could beat anybody. Nobody looks THAT good. Georgia's offense was terrible today. I truly is a damn shame.
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Give me the FSU defense against McCarthy and Milroe
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You’re actually going to compare the Louisville defense to the Iowa defense.
This year would’ve been great to have an eight team playoff. A lot of strong teams in the 3-8 range.
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Than Michigan had tonight. They gave up 30 more yards against a team that averaged 400+ yards a game. Why isn’t Michigan getting questioned?
You’re actually going to compare the Louisville defense to the Iowa defense.
With a third string QB who played hurt?
Michigan. Washington. Bama. Texas.
Seems to me as if there is plenty of questioning Michigan on this thread.
The offense looks different if Loveland and Barner didn’t drop pass after pass.
Losing Zinter had an impact on the OL. They will need to use the next month to sort that out. The
But if everyone is raving about FSU’s defense, then Michigan should also get that same praise. Sainristil had a great game. And Michigan’s sophomore DTs are monsters.
As to the CFB - it should be:
Michigan
Washington
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Than Michigan had tonight. They gave up 30 more yards against a team that averaged 400+ yards a game. Why isn’t Michigan getting questioned?
Seems to me as if there is plenty of questioning Michigan on this thread.
The offense looks different if Loveland and Barner didn’t drop pass after pass.
Losing Zinter had an impact on the OL. They will need to use the next month to sort that out. The
But if everyone is raving about FSU’s defense, then Michigan should also get that same praise. Sainristil had a great game. And Michigan’s sophomore DTs are monsters.
As to the CFB - it should be:
Michigan
Washington
FSU
Texas
It is not really questioning Michigan but using a comparison. They are clearly #1 now tha Georgia lost.
But even you gave excuses for Michigan like their OL being hurt and a couple dropped passes. Hell FSU had 4 drops that would have continued drives. And then you say Michigan will have month to get the OL injury sorted out. Well, clearly FSU will have their #2 QB back and that is a likely big upgrade over a freshman #3 QB who had about 5 practices.
I see you say FSU should be in and not I am not criticisizing you - but I was just using your post as an example of what others are doing to FSU.
Sorry Georgia.
Maybe even sorry Alabama.
Sorry Georgia.
Maybe even sorry Alabama.
If the “playoffs have already started,” saying “maybe sorry Alabama” is pretty dumb. If the playoffs have already started, Alabama wouldn’t be out with a win. Duh!
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The playoffs started already.
Sorry Georgia.
Maybe even sorry Alabama.
If the “playoffs have already started,” saying “maybe sorry Alabama” is pretty dumb. If the playoffs have already started, Alabama wouldn’t be out with a win. Duh!
Alabama was ranked 8th coming into the weekend. Michigan(2), Washington(3), FSU (4), and Texas(7) all won their conference championships...you are saying they should jump one or two teams ranked ahead of them that all won....
They probably will, but that may not sit well.
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The playoffs started already.
Sorry Georgia.
Maybe even sorry Alabama.
If the “playoffs have already started,” saying “maybe sorry Alabama” is pretty dumb. If the playoffs have already started, Alabama wouldn’t be out with a win. Duh!
Alabama was ranked 8th coming into the weekend. Michigan(2), Washington(3), FSU (4), and Texas(7) all won their conference championships...you are saying they should jump one or two teams ranked ahead of them that all won....
They probably will, but that may not sit well.
If that’s directed at me, I actually think Alabama should be left out. I was just responding to Blueworm’s statement that “if you’ve been paying attention, the playoffs have already started.”
I think it should be Michigan, Washington, Texas, FSU.
If that’s directed at me, I actually think Alabama should be left out. I was just responding to Blueworm’s statement that “if you’ve been paying attention, the playoffs have already started.”
I think it should be Michigan, Washington, Texas, FSU.
Ok, I misunderstood your wording.
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The playoffs started already.
Sorry Georgia.
Maybe even sorry Alabama.
If the “playoffs have already started,” saying “maybe sorry Alabama” is pretty dumb. If the playoffs have already started, Alabama wouldn’t be out with a win. Duh!
At #8, were they in?
I won’t be mad at it, but I wouldn’t be for that if I had a vote. Michigan, Washington, FSU, Alabama. And I actually think FSU/Washington would be a better game than most, the FSU D is playing well.
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The playoffs started already.
Sorry Georgia.
Maybe even sorry Alabama.
If the “playoffs have already started,” saying “maybe sorry Alabama” is pretty dumb. If the playoffs have already started, Alabama wouldn’t be out with a win. Duh!
At #8, were they in?
He is saying the conference championships are really the start of the playoffs - they are. The losers are eliminated from consideration, aren't they.
I won’t be mad at it, but I wouldn’t be for that if I had a vote. Michigan, Washington, FSU, Alabama. And I actually think FSU/Washington would be a better game than most, the FSU D is playing well.
Texas won their championship game too.
Out of conference games are almost all played early in the season. If you’re going to dismiss them, then they shouldn’t even bother playing them. Both teams knew the stakes in week 2 and Texas went in to Tuscaloosa and beat Bama. That absolutely HAS to matter
Oh I know. I just think dismissing what happens on the field in lieu of completely subjective opinions on who may or not be the “best teams” is a terrible model to follow. Results should matter much more. You think Alabama is the better team. I think Texas is better. Who’s right? Guessing the best teams is just that…guessing.
FSU -400
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Alabama +100
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I just wouldn’t vote for it. There’s no right answer.
Oh I know. I just think dismissing what happens on the field in lieu of completely subjective opinions on who may or not be the “best teams” is a terrible model to follow. Results should matter much more. You think Alabama is the better team. I think Texas is better. Who’s right? Guessing the best teams is just that…guessing.
My justification would be that beating the #1 team in the nation for the conference title is more important than beating a 3 loss OK State team + the week 2 win. In the end I’d like to see both get it but I think it’s also wrong to put them in over FSU who earned being there. I’m torn, I’m good with whatever they do.
I won’t be mad at it, but I wouldn’t be for that if I had a vote. Michigan, Washington, FSU, Alabama. And I actually think FSU/Washington would be a better game than most, the FSU D is playing well.
Milroe is a significantly better player than September 9th. So, Texas caught Alabama at the right time breaking in a new QB.
Anyone who follows this closely knows Texas played a very mediocre team in the Big12 final. Oklahoma State posed zero threat. And Michigan played a horrible offensive team in Iowa who represents the putrid Big Ten West. The imbalance between the BTE and BTW is embarrassing for the B1G.
Meanwhile, Alabama had to roll into Georgia's backyard and beat the best team in the country. That was clearly the most impressive performance yesterday and more impressive than UT winning in Tuscaloosa three months ago.
Alabama should be rewarded.
But it's a very difficult year for the selection committee.
I would feel much different about FSU if Travis was injured but scheduled to come back for the semis. But because he's done, and they have to play inferior QBs now, they are a materially a different team on offense. And the eye test completely supports that.
So, I would reluctantly keep them out. It's just a bad break.
To be consistent, If Penix went down a few weeks ago and his replacement was as ineffective as Travis's, I would make the same exact argument.
I don’t think it’s that difficult at all, although that’s not what the committee will say after the fact. The Travis injury gave them a major out and will allow them to make the easier decision.
If Travis wasn’t hurt, I can’t even imagine how difficult this choice would’ve been. They would’ve had to leave the SEC Champ or Texas out of the playoff. That would’ve been a clusterfuck.
That was one game where they shut out their opponent. Besides - they know they need to work on the OL leading up to the playoff.
They lost. That is the way it is. They looked like shit yesterday and they lost. Season on the line and they played poorly.
I think they should turn down any bowl games.
I’m sure many on the Committee were rooting like heck for FSU to lose last night, but would settle for an ugly win, and use that to justify their decision.
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They should call themselves National Champs, just like the old days.
I think they should turn down any bowl games.
Uh, don’t think the school will turn down the money. But I get your point.
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They should call themselves National Champs, just like the old days.
I think they should turn down any bowl games.
Uh, don’t think the school will turn down the money. But I get your point.
Accept the bid. Show up for the game and then roll out nothing but backups.