I would think having the two-time defending national champions from the Nations toughest conference would carry some weight in a tournament type setting.
It doesn’t matter when they played and beat and Bama in Tuscolusa
They did!!!
It’s the 4 best teams at the end of the year.
Should be:
Michigan
Washington
Texas
Alabama
The unavoidable conundrum in modern college football is that one of the conferences is so much better than all of the rest.
True, but Texas beat Bama and FSU beat LSU and Florida this season. More so than most years, the argument the SEC winner has to get in because it’s the SEC is weaker than in recent memory
I agree with you and the OP: Washington, Michigan, Texas, FSU (assuming Michigan/Florida State wins, obviously)
Assuming Michigan wins, it will be Michigan, UW, Texas and Bama. No one on the Committee who watched the first half of the FSU game is gonna want them in.
FSU im sorry, theres a quality of play you have to meet.
and you dont meet it.
not to mention the ACC is by far by far the worst power 5 conference this year.
without question FSU would have 3 losses at least playing a SEC schedule this year.
You don't know that. They beat LSU, one of the best teams in the conference, and beat them worse than 'Bama beat them. Defense matters. Why isn't Michigan getting this scrutiny? Who have they beaten? OSU and PSU, and who else? Sure, Iowa, who can't score points. FSU with quality wins vs LSU, Clemson, and if this score holds, Louisville. Frankly, FSU's resume is as good as anyone's at the top. If you think Washington would beat the pants off of FSU? Washington hasn't played a defense like FSU's all season.
FSU im sorry, theres a quality of play you have to meet.
and you dont meet it.
not to mention the ACC is by far by far the worst power 5 conference this year.
without question FSU would have 3 losses at least playing a SEC schedule this year.
that's how I see it too
however, there will be some screams from Tallahassee and perhaps Athens
Same here and I can understand the screams from Tallahassee but the folks in Athens had their shot today and came up short. Finishing second in a Power 5 this year isn’t getting you in.
Having said that I wouldn’t want to be the team that gets them in whatever Bowl they go to. That’s going to be one angry, talented team strapping it up.
3 unbeaten major conference champs. Texas and AL both major conference champs with 1 loss. Texas beat AL head to head convincingly. Some of you are trying to get way too subjective. It's football, not figure skating. And those getting subjective seem to forget that AL almost just lost to a mediocre Auburn team, but for an awful defensive play call
3 unbeaten major conference champs. Texas and AL both major conference champs with 1 loss. Texas beat AL head to head convincingly. Some of you are trying to get way too subjective. It's football, not figure skating. And those getting subjective seem to forget that AL almost just lost to a mediocre Auburn team, but for an awful defensive play call
Of course it's subjective. That's the current system. There are no automatic qualifiers in place like the NCAA basketball tournament.
BTW, Auburn also had Georgia on the ropes a month ago before Georgia rallied in the 4th quarter.
head to head, etc. are all objective, factual things. Getting way too subjective going into, "well I think this 1 loss team is better than this 0 loss team because they lost their QB"
I wish there was system which allowed them to be flexible
Says it’s the “four best” not four most deserving. That sounds like FSU is on the outside looking in to me.
And it really sounds like UGA might still have a shot but I don’t know who gets bounced to put them in.
They’re not gonna penalize a B10 Champ and the $$ that Conference brings, so I definitely think UM is in. UT was really impressive and hard to justify keeping them out. Bama gets in over UGA based on yesterday so could an undefeated soon to be no more PAC 12 Champ be on the bubble based on his comments?
I think UGA is one of the four best but I think they’ll end up out.
Says it’s the “four best” not four most deserving. That sounds like FSU is on the outside looking in to me.
And it really sounds like UGA might still have a shot but I don’t know who gets bounced to put them in.
They’re not gonna penalize a B10 Champ and the $$ that Conference brings, so I definitely think UM is in. UT was really impressive and hard to justify keeping them out. Bama gets in over UGA based on yesterday so could an undefeated soon to be no more PAC 12 Champ be on the bubble based on his comments?
I think UGA is one of the four best but I think they’ll end up out.
By that reasoning it would be:
UGA, Alabama, OSU, Michigan....a couple excellent teams are going to miss out.
Says it’s the “four best” not four most deserving. That sounds like FSU is on the outside looking in to me.
And it really sounds like UGA might still have a shot but I don’t know who gets bounced to put them in.
They’re not gonna penalize a B10 Champ and the $$ that Conference brings, so I definitely think UM is in. UT was really impressive and hard to justify keeping them out. Bama gets in over UGA based on yesterday so could an undefeated soon to be no more PAC 12 Champ be on the bubble based on his comments?
I think UGA is one of the four best but I think they’ll end up out.
By that reasoning it would be:
UGA, Alabama, OSU, Michigan....a couple excellent teams are going to miss out.
I’d have UT over OSU but it’s close. The expanded Playoff is coming a year too late and I hope there are this many deserving teams next year.
head to head, etc. are all objective, factual things. Getting way too subjective going into, "well I think this 1 loss team is better than this 0 loss team because they lost their QB"
Ohio State made the playoffs last year having lost to Michigan (who made it, too), not winning the Big Ten championship, not even getting to the Big Ten championship, and not even winning their division in the Big Tean.
So, why do you think they made it without so many "factual things"?
Says it’s the “four best” not four most deserving. That sounds like FSU is on the outside looking in to me.
And it really sounds like UGA might still have a shot but I don’t know who gets bounced to put them in.
They’re not gonna penalize a B10 Champ and the $$ that Conference brings, so I definitely think UM is in. UT was really impressive and hard to justify keeping them out. Bama gets in over UGA based on yesterday so could an undefeated soon to be no more PAC 12 Champ be on the bubble based on his comments?
I think UGA is one of the four best but I think they’ll end up out.
By that reasoning it would be:
UGA, Alabama, OSU, Michigan....a couple excellent teams are going to miss out.
I’d have UT over OSU but it’s close. The expanded Playoff is coming a year too late and I hope there are this many deserving teams next year.
Why would Texas be over OSU? I think I have residual disdain for Big 12 Conference, like the PAc-12.
head to head, etc. are all objective, factual things. Getting way too subjective going into, "well I think this 1 loss team is better than this 0 loss team because they lost their QB"
Ohio State made the playoffs last year having lost to Michigan (who made it, too), not winning the Big Ten championship, not even getting to the Big Ten championship, and not even winning their division in the Big Tean.
So, why do you think they made it without so many "factual things"?
Because there weren’t three undefeated teams
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Says it’s the “four best” not four most deserving. That sounds like FSU is on the outside looking in to me.
And it really sounds like UGA might still have a shot but I don’t know who gets bounced to put them in.
They’re not gonna penalize a B10 Champ and the $$ that Conference brings, so I definitely think UM is in. UT was really impressive and hard to justify keeping them out. Bama gets in over UGA based on yesterday so could an undefeated soon to be no more PAC 12 Champ be on the bubble based on his comments?
I think UGA is one of the four best but I think they’ll end up out.
By that reasoning it would be:
UGA, Alabama, OSU, Michigan....a couple excellent teams are going to miss out.
I’d have UT over OSU but it’s close. The expanded Playoff is coming a year too late and I hope there are this many deserving teams next year.
Why would Texas be over OSU? I think I have residual disdain for Big 12 Conference, like the PAc-12.
Because for me their Bama win carries more weight than anything OSU has done.
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Says it’s the “four best” not four most deserving. That sounds like FSU is on the outside looking in to me.
And it really sounds like UGA might still have a shot but I don’t know who gets bounced to put them in.
They’re not gonna penalize a B10 Champ and the $$ that Conference brings, so I definitely think UM is in. UT was really impressive and hard to justify keeping them out. Bama gets in over UGA based on yesterday so could an undefeated soon to be no more PAC 12 Champ be on the bubble based on his comments?
I think UGA is one of the four best but I think they’ll end up out.
By that reasoning it would be:
UGA, Alabama, OSU, Michigan....a couple excellent teams are going to miss out.
I’d have UT over OSU but it’s close. The expanded Playoff is coming a year too late and I hope there are this many deserving teams next year.
Why would Texas be over OSU? I think I have residual disdain for Big 12 Conference, like the PAc-12.
Because for me their Bama win carries more weight than anything OSU has done.
But no matter how it shakes out, we are going to have some massive meltdowns from elite programs and fan bases that are left out and they’re not use to being told no. And I can’t wait for the entertaining mayhem from all their sniveling 😂
But no matter how it shakes out, we are going to have some massive meltdowns from elite programs and fan bases that are left out and they’re not use to being told no. And I can’t wait for the entertaining mayhem from all their sniveling 😂
This. Going to be quite the drama after the selections are made. Extremely entertaining.
But no matter how it shakes out, we are going to have some massive meltdowns from elite programs and fan bases that are left out and they’re not use to being told no. And I can’t wait for the entertaining mayhem from all their sniveling 😂
If you have a loss, especially in a conference championship game, you have no reason to pout.
What will cause an uproar is jumping teams over teams that were ranked higher before the weekend and the higher ranked teams won.
If not for the Playoff Poll, the two main polls (AP and Coaches)
Likely are:
1.) Michigan
2.) Washington
3.) FSU
4.) Alabama/Texas
5.) Texas/Alabama
6.) Georgia
7.) Ohio State
and so on...
I thoroughly expect:
Michigan
Washington
Texas/Alabama
Alabama/Texas
the pride of the Big 10 Michigan will make it. I wish Harbaugh would trademark "Back to back to back" for his accomplishments with winning the Big 10 title these past 3 seasons.
But no matter how it shakes out, we are going to have some massive meltdowns from elite programs and fan bases that are left out and they’re not use to being told no. And I can’t wait for the entertaining mayhem from all their sniveling 😂
If you have a loss, especially in a conference championship game, you have no reason to pout.
What will cause an uproar is jumping teams over teams that were ranked higher before the weekend and the higher ranked teams won.
If not for the Playoff Poll, the two main polls (AP and Coaches)
Likely are:
1.) Michigan
2.) Washington
3.) FSU
4.) Alabama/Texas
5.) Texas/Alabama
6.) Georgia
7.) Ohio State
and so on...
I thoroughly expect:
Michigan
Washington
Texas/Alabama
Alabama/Texas
Oh I agree with everything you say but you’re out of your mind if you don’t think there will be any “pouting”. Hell, the preemptive strikes already started last night. Kirby Smart took about 5 seconds after coming off a loss to completely dismiss the loss as a nothing burger and telling the world that Georgia deserved to be in. Ummm, you just LOST!
And I love the ole “it’s not the most deserving, it’s the best teams” nonsense. So, if deserving has nothing to do with it, why the hell are we bothering to play the games? Just pick the 4 teams YOU randomly think are the 4 best teams at the beginning of the season and let them go right into the playoffs. No need to play all the other games since deserve has nothing to do with it, apparently. How the hell does anyone know who “the best” teams are unless they play? Everyone thought Oregon was better than Washington. Oops! Everyone thought Georgia would beat Alabama. Oops! They are supposed to be playing the games for a reason. Results should matter more than some random nerds opinions sitting in a room together
What will cause an uproar is jumping teams over teams that were ranked higher before the weekend and the higher ranked teams won.
If not for the Playoff Poll, the two main polls (AP and Coaches)
Likely are:
1.) Michigan
2.) Washington
3.) FSU
4.) Alabama/Texas
5.) Texas/Alabama
6.) Georgia
7.) Ohio State
and so on...
I thoroughly expect:
Michigan
Washington
Texas/Alabama
Alabama/Texas
Oh I agree with everything you say but you’re out of your mind if you don’t think there will be any “pouting”. Hell, the preemptive strikes already started last night. Kirby Smart took about 5 seconds after coming off a loss to completely dismiss the loss as a nothing burger and telling the world that Georgia deserved to be in. Ummm, you just LOST!
And I love the ole “it’s not the most deserving, it’s the best teams” nonsense. So, if deserving has nothing to do with it, why the hell are we bothering to play the games? Just pick the 4 teams YOU randomly think are the 4 best teams at the beginning of the season and let them go right into the playoffs. No need to play all the other games since deserve has nothing to do with it, apparently. How the hell does anyone know who “the best” teams are unless they play? Everyone thought Oregon was better than Washington. Oops! Everyone thought Georgia would beat Alabama. Oops! They are supposed to be playing the games for a reason. Results should matter more than some random nerds opinions sitting in a room together
Well yeah, there will be pouting, but they shouldn't. They lost.
It will be fascinating to see.
the selection committee specifically says their charter is to select the best teams.
In fact, it's in writing.
First, lose the condescending bullshit. The uninformed? You are such a freaking clown show.
Second, most of us are well aware that the committee says they go with the “best teams”. That doesn’t mean everyone has to agree with it. What the hell is the best team? Nobody knows unless they prove it on the field against each other. Your idea of what the best teams are is different than what others’ think the best teams are. The committee has final say, of course but I’m sure even they debate amongst each other on who that even is.
is still subjective. FSU thoroughly dominated Louisville but is getting docked points for not having their starting QB. But, that defense held a team scoring 30 points a game to 6. The D has been very good all season long. And they are undefeated from a power conference.
Weighing that the offense look bad with a true freshman shouldn't negate the dominance their D showed, especially when some of the other hopeful teams are playing track meets each week.
the selection committee specifically says their charter is to select the best teams.
In fact, it's in writing.
Ok...do you think people thought they were supposed to select the worst teams? The question is how the best teams are determined. By actually playing games, or what some BCS politicians think in their heads?
IMO, this year is pretty easy. Three unbeaten major conference champs. Then there are two major conference champs with one loss: Texas and AL. They played head to head and Texas won convincingly
the selection committee specifically says their charter is to select the best teams.
In fact, it's in writing.
They’ve never actually done that though. If they did Cincianitti and TCU would have never made it
I don't want to suggest the SC has always selected the right teams. It's still a subjective conclusion.
Just stating their mission statement.
And I don't want to give the impression that it's the end of the world if FSU gets a spot. They have had a great year. So, if they get it, good for them. I have consistently said the sport is better when they are relevant.
the selection committee specifically says their charter is to select the best teams.
In fact, it's in writing.
Which four, in your opinion, are the best?
IMO the best 4 are Bama, Michigan, Georgia and Texas. I don't think the SC would do that, no matter what their charter says.
I agree with your four. And would applaud the committee for doing that.
There is history to support that, actually. A #1 team going into the final week has never fallen below the #4 line after a loss. And the SEC champ has never been excluded.
If FSU makes it, I understand but they are not the same quality team without Travis. The country doesn't want to watch Tate Rodemaker in the semi finals
is still subjective. FSU thoroughly dominated Louisville but is getting docked points for not having their starting QB. But, that defense held a team scoring 30 points a game to 6. The D has been very good all season long. And they are undefeated from a power conference.
Weighing that the offense look bad with a true freshman shouldn't negate the dominance their D showed, especially when some of the other hopeful teams are playing track meets each week.
The argument against FSU isn’t, “Can they win a playoff game without Travis?” Of course they could. It’s “Are they one of the four best teams without him?” I think that’s a difficult argument to make. And how the teams looked yesterday isn’t particularly important IMO.
The PAC 12 was way better than the ACC.
The BIG 12 champ has a win in the home stadium of the SEC Champ.
THE SEC Champ just ended the winning streak of the two time defending national champs.
Michigan, despite the cupcake schedule and cheating scandal, was largely seen as the best team this season. They also have a superior win to any of FSU’s.
Those are arguments that the committee can make. However, there’s no doubt in my mind that the Noles would’ve made it with a healthy Travis. It sucks, but it is what it is (tm Antrel Rolle).
The best 4 teams are probably Georgia, Bama, Michigan, Washington, but the 4 most deserving are MI, Wash, Texas and FSU. The question is what does the committee favor more
1. Michigan (51) 13-0
2. Washington (11) 13-0
3. Texas 12-1
4. Florida State 13-0
They got it right. Alabama shouldn't make it if you watched them play other than yesterday.
With the exception of Michigan and Texas, all of the other teams have ugly games against bad teams. FSU-Boston College, WASH-Arizona State/Washington State/Stanford, Alabama-Auburn. The Huskies had so many that they were underdogs to Oregon.
The difference is regular viewers didn’t watch any of those games aside from the Iron Bowl so they got memory holed.
If FSU makes it, I understand but they are not the same quality team without Travis. The country doesn't want to watch Tate Rodemaker in the semi finals
How do you know? The guy is likely the starter next year for FSU unless they bring in someone through the portal.
How about let's see if some of the others can score on FSU's defense.
If FSU makes it, I understand but they are not the same quality team without Travis. The country doesn't want to watch Tate Rodemaker in the semi finals
How do you know? The guy is likely the starter next year for FSU unless they bring in someone through the portal.
How about let's see if some of the others can score on FSU's defense.
Im basing my post off of watching him struggle vs Florida last week. Maybe you're an FSU guy and know more about him but I wasn't impressed in the only game I've seen him play.
Being the starter next year and having the whole spring/summer to get used to playing, has nothing to do with selecting the best 4 teams for the playoffs.
As I said, I won't be surprised if they are the 4th seed but lets not pretend FSU's offense is the same with him vs Travis
If FSU makes it, I understand but they are not the same quality team without Travis. The country doesn't want to watch Tate Rodemaker in the semi finals
How do you know? The guy is likely the starter next year for FSU unless they bring in someone through the portal.
How about let's see if some of the others can score on FSU's defense.
Im basing my post off of watching him struggle vs Florida last week. Maybe you're an FSU guy and know more about him but I wasn't impressed in the only game I've seen him play.
Being the starter next year and having the whole spring/summer to get used to playing, has nothing to do with selecting the best 4 teams for the playoffs.
As I said, I won't be surprised if they are the 4th seed but lets not pretend FSU's offense is the same with him vs Travis
He had 5 days to prepare for UF. How much do you think Norvell let him do in that game? Do I expect Rodemaker to turn into Travis in a month? No. But he would be a significant upgrade to Glenn.
But I suspect he will be significantly better than Glenn.
That does not matter. What matters is the teams. When Clemson was beating everyone up, SEC was still better overall than the ACC. But Clemson was the best team.
if they showed they had something on offense theyd be in ala a cardale jones situation.
With the way the other games worked out, I don’t think there was any scenario in which something that happened in the ACC championship game would’ve changed this outcome.
if they showed they had something on offense theyd be in ala a cardale jones situation.
With the way the other games worked out, I don’t think there was any scenario in which something that happened in the ACC championship game would’ve changed this outcome.
i disagree.
so FSU could have the defense of the 1985 Bears and it wouldn't
Said it earlier: the committee would run over their grandmother to get 'Bama in.
That has nothing to do with this decision.
If Jordan Travis is healthy and Bama was chosen over Texas, then you could argue this point.
they're getting their 2nd string QB back before the playoffs. So we're just saying he can't drive the offense with a few weeks of practicing witht he first team. this is weak.
i guess this opens the door to the NFL bouncing teams from the playoffs if their QB gets hurt in the first round and replacing them with a team with a healthy QB.
I wish the expansion was this year instead of next.
Didn't the ACC vote not to have he expansion this year? JFC, that would be ironic...
Total scumbag maneuver. They just shit on kids that played their ass off. They took the #4 team, that won their conference title and took teams rated behind them before the weekend and jumped two teams over them.
FSU shold tell the NCAA and their 40 bowls to go fuck themselves.
I wish the expansion was this year instead of next.
Didn't the ACC vote not to have he expansion this year? JFC, that would be ironic...
Total scumbag maneuver. They just shit on kids that played their ass off. They took the #4 team, that won their conference title and took teams rated behind them before the weekend and jumped two teams over them.
FSU shold tell the NCAA and their 40 bowls to go fuck themselves.
exactly. and I am not an FSU fan. but to screw the kids like this is bullshit.
I wish the expansion was this year instead of next.
Didn't the ACC vote not to have he expansion this year? JFC, that would be ironic...
Total scumbag maneuver. They just shit on kids that played their ass off. They took the #4 team, that won their conference title and took teams rated behind them before the weekend and jumped two teams over them.
FSU shold tell the NCAA and their 40 bowls to go fuck themselves.
I get it. It's a very tough pill to swallow if you are an FSU supporter.
leaving Bama out if they beat Georgia and they did.
What a great season FSU had and I hope the school and the community do something really nice for them.
Some teams have gotten in who probably shouldn't have and vice versa. Very unfortunate for FSU and I certainly understand and respect those who felt they got screwed.
I still hope they get to 16 with every conference champion in one day.
Feel bad for the Noles, as much as I can for FSU considering I'm still not over '93 when FSU won the national championship despite losing to ND. Not that I'm still bitter or anything...Haha.
I wish the expansion was this year instead of next.
Didn't the ACC vote not to have he expansion this year? JFC, that would be ironic...
Total scumbag maneuver. They just shit on kids that played their ass off. They took the #4 team, that won their conference title and took teams rated behind them before the weekend and jumped two teams over them.
FSU shold tell the NCAA and their 40 bowls to go fuck themselves.
I get it. It's a very tough pill to swallow if you are an FSU supporter.
they're getting their 2nd string QB back before the playoffs. So we're just saying he can't drive the offense with a few weeks of practicing witht he first team. this is weak.
i guess this opens the door to the NFL bouncing teams from the playoffs if their QB gets hurt in the first round and replacing them with a team with a healthy QB.
Your NFL point is silly. There’s no subjectivity to the NFL playoff process. That’s how teams with losing records make the postseason while teams with ten wins sit at home. Unfortunately, that’s not the process here and while it will be easier going forward, subjectivity will still play a role in the college playoffs.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that FSU couldn’t win a game with backup QBs. I think in this process that it’s very easy to argue that FSU isn’t one of the 4 best teams without Jordan Travis. That may not even be true, but it’s an argument that can be made. And with very tough choices, that was the easiest way to make the decision.
Jordan Travis was a major part of why they were one of the best teams in the country.
Yup and sounds like him being out is a major reason why they got bounced. They must think even with a practicing #2 they still aren’t near a top 4 level.
I think it simply comes down to that as much as it sucks for them to be out.
It would’ve been really interesting if he wasn’t hurt and they couldn’t be kept out. Then it would’ve come down to Bama/UT for the final spot and I think the committee is relieved not to have to make that choice. Much easier to cite Travis’s injury, bounce them and get the other two in.
they're getting their 2nd string QB back before the playoffs. So we're just saying he can't drive the offense with a few weeks of practicing witht he first team. this is weak.
i guess this opens the door to the NFL bouncing teams from the playoffs if their QB gets hurt in the first round and replacing them with a team with a healthy QB.
Your NFL point is silly. There’s no subjectivity to the NFL playoff process. That’s how teams with losing records make the postseason while teams with ten wins sit at home. Unfortunately, that’s not the process here and while it will be easier going forward, subjectivity will still play a role in the college playoffs.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that FSU couldn’t win a game with backup QBs. I think in this process that it’s very easy to argue that FSU isn’t one of the 4 best teams without Jordan Travis. That may not even be true, but it’s an argument that can be made. And with very tough choices, that was the easiest way to make the decision.
i was being facetious. but what I really think is that yes, you can argue that FSU isn't the same team and not a top 4 team. but you can also argue that their defense alone makes them a top 4 team. they haven't lost a game yet, even after adversity. it's not fair to bounce them because you believe they won't rise to the challenge. let them rise or not rise. you're replacing them with a team that has already lost. and barely, barely got past auburn just 8 days ago.
if the committee is putting Bama ahead of FSU they should also
i was being facetious. but what I really think is that yes, you can argue that FSU isn't the same team and not a top 4 team. but you can also argue that their defense alone makes them a top 4 team. they haven't lost a game yet, even after adversity. it's not fair to bounce them because you believe they won't rise to the challenge. let them rise or not rise. you're replacing them with a team that has already lost. and barely, barely got past auburn just 8 days ago.
As I mentioned earlier, you can do the “almost lost to a bad team” argument with everyone except for Michigan and Texas. The difference is everyone watched the Iron Bowl and no one remembers Washington-Arizona State or FSU-Boston College.
Losing a Heisman Trophy finalist QB was the key factor and I don’t think that any result against Louisville was going to move the needle enough to keep FSU over those other 4 teams. It’s unfortunate, but that’s life.
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Jordan Travis was a major part of why they were one of the best teams in the country.
Yup and sounds like him being out is a major reason why they got bounced. They must think even with a practicing #2 they still aren’t near a top 4 level.
I think it simply comes down to that as much as it sucks for them to be out.
It would’ve been really interesting if he wasn’t hurt and they couldn’t be kept out. Then it would’ve come down to Bama/UT for the final spot and I think the committee is relieved not to have to make that choice. Much easier to cite Travis’s injury, bounce them and get the other two in.
If Travis isn't hurt FSU is #2 behind Michigan. Remember the polls jumped Washington over FSU after Travis got hurt.
But I really feel badly for them. Definitely hope the school /town does something very special for them.
As for Alabama, I am a big fan, but I also know that if they don’t complete that last gasp TD pass last week, they are on the outside looking in, regardless of Georgia game.
And so it goes.
Here’s to an expanded play-off system where the teams fighting for the 11th and 12th seeds won’t mean Jack.
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put Georgia ahead of FSU. they just showed they're full of shit.
Will it really matter since I’d bet they’re going to face each other in a Bowl? [/quote
They are supposed to be in the Orange Bowl, yes. But the point is they took the #8 team and jumped them 4 places but dropped Georgia 5 places. It was a placation...
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Jordan Travis was a major part of why they were one of the best teams in the country.
Yup and sounds like him being out is a major reason why they got bounced. They must think even with a practicing #2 they still aren’t near a top 4 level.
I think it simply comes down to that as much as it sucks for them to be out.
It would’ve been really interesting if he wasn’t hurt and they couldn’t be kept out. Then it would’ve come down to Bama/UT for the final spot and I think the committee is relieved not to have to make that choice. Much easier to cite Travis’s injury, bounce them and get the other two in.
If Travis isn't hurt FSU is #2 behind Michigan. Remember the polls jumped Washington over FSU after Travis got hurt.
Yes and why I said they’d be in easy. My point was the committee would’ve really had its hands full deciding and then justifying either UT or Bama at 4 if he wasn’t hurt.
Do you take the SEC Champ who just beat #1 or a team that beat them, even if very early in the season? I think secretly the Committee is glad they didn’t have to make that choice and used the Travis injury as an easy or easier out for their selections.
Do
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: so FSU could have the defense of the 1985 Bears and it wouldn't
Do you take the SEC Champ who just beat #1 or a team that beat them, even if very early in the season? I think secretly the Committee is glad they didn’t have to make that choice and used the Travis injury as an easy or easier out for their selections.
Do
Right, you take the #8 team over the undefeated #4 team(who would have been the #2 team if Travis wasn't hurt). What kind of thinking is that? The committee would have hoped to bypass FSU even with Travis just to get Alabama in?
Not worth arguing over. The committee is a bunch of scumbags.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: so FSU could have the defense of the 1985 Bears and it wouldn't
Do you take the SEC Champ who just beat #1 or a team that beat them, even if very early in the season? I think secretly the Committee is glad they didn’t have to make that choice and used the Travis injury as an easy or easier out for their selections.
Do
Right, you take the #8 team over the undefeated #4 team(who would have been the #2 team if Travis wasn't hurt). What kind of thinking is that? The committee would have hoped to bypass FSU even with Travis just to get Alabama in?
Not worth arguing over. The committee is a bunch of scumbags.
I’m not sure you’re getting what I’m saying. I said if Travis didn’t get hurt they’d definitely in and the the argument comes down to Bama/UT for the 4th team.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: so FSU could have the defense of the 1985 Bears and it wouldn't
Do you take the SEC Champ who just beat #1 or a team that beat them, even if very early in the season? I think secretly the Committee is glad they didn’t have to make that choice and used the Travis injury as an easy or easier out for their selections.
Do
Right, you take the #8 team over the undefeated #4 team(who would have been the #2 team if Travis wasn't hurt). What kind of thinking is that? The committee would have hoped to bypass FSU even with Travis just to get Alabama in?
Not worth arguing over. The committee is a bunch of scumbags.
I’m not sure you’re getting what I’m saying. I said if Travis didn’t get hurt they’d definitely in and the the argument comes down to Bama/UT for the 4th team.
Ok thanks. No I wasn't getting it. My fault.
But I am done with this. Will never be good with this decision. I can rationalize it but when you need to rationalize a decision it it wrong.
SEC team is on the bubble for a bye next year and we hear how being undefeated matters
I don't think that would have nearly the magnitude today's decision did. Noise? Maybe. But the fallback position will be that at least the team got in...
But they have a 3rd string QB and the committee takes that into consideration.
FSU would have been blown out vs whomever they were matched up against.
I do not think this was some set up to keep an SEC team in...
But they have a 3rd string QB and the committee takes that into consideration.
FSU would have been blown out vs whomever they were matched up against.
I do not think this was some set up to keep an SEC team in...
again, they'd have their 2nd string QB back. and we'll see if they get blown out.
RE: RE: if the committee is putting Bama ahead of FSU they should also
put Georgia ahead of FSU. they just showed they're full of shit.
Will it really matter since I’d bet they’re going to face each other in a Bowl?
what I meant is that it matters because it shows their logic is inconsistent. if they are saying they are putting the best teams in, the logic they used to justify Bama over FSU could easily be used for Georgia over FSU. and probably Ohio as well. they're saying the FSU QB is hurt but only enough to get Bama into the playoffs.
need the QB that brought you there. and the team that is in is the one that benched their QB that got them there DURING a national championship game. and they went on to win.
man, i'm on a rant fest today.
RE: and the irony is that the argument that FSU is out because you
need the QB that brought you there. and the team that is in is the one that benched their QB that got them there DURING a national championship game. and they went on to win.
man, i'm on a rant fest today.
The committee only looks at this year and what happened with Hurts/Tua is irrelevant as it should be. Besides the fact one change was made during the game and Travis has been out for a few games now and everyone can see how it has affected their O.
The rants against Bama are kind of funny to me though, as even if they lost to UGA yesterday, FSU still would be out based on where they put UT in the Final 4.
It would’ve been::
UGA
UM
UW
UT
RE: RE: and the irony is that the argument that FSU is out because you
need the QB that brought you there. and the team that is in is the one that benched their QB that got them there DURING a national championship game. and they went on to win.
man, i'm on a rant fest today.
The committee only looks at this year and what happened with Hurts/Tua is irrelevant as it should be. Besides the fact one change was made during the game and Travis has been out for a few games now and everyone can see how it has affected their O.
The rants against Bama are kind of funny to me though, as even if they lost to UGA yesterday, FSU still would be out based on where they put UT in the Final 4.
It would’ve been::
UGA
UM
UW
UT
Not it wouldn’t be. The only reason Texas is at three is because they couldn’t just putting Bama in and not them.
RE: RE: RE: and the irony is that the argument that FSU is out because you
need the QB that brought you there. and the team that is in is the one that benched their QB that got them there DURING a national championship game. and they went on to win.
man, i'm on a rant fest today.
The committee only looks at this year and what happened with Hurts/Tua is irrelevant as it should be. Besides the fact one change was made during the game and Travis has been out for a few games now and everyone can see how it has affected their O.
The rants against Bama are kind of funny to me though, as even if they lost to UGA yesterday, FSU still would be out based on where they put UT in the Final 4.
It would’ve been::
UGA
UM
UW
UT
Not it wouldn’t be. The only reason Texas is at three is because they couldn’t just putting Bama in and not them.
Sure man, you tell yourself whatever you need to to deal with the truth. If you can’t see Bama and UT are better teams than FSU, then any further discussion is useless.
So Georgia should maybe get a chance?
College football is a mess.
Also not sure Alabama gets in over Texas.
Can you imagine the drama if Oregon had won.
The best four teams in the country are clearly in my mind:
Alabama, Georgia, Michigan (if they win), and Washington.
But I am sure the SC doesn't have the balls to go this direction.
Michigan
Washington
Texas
Bama
They did!!!
It’s the 4 best teams at the end of the year.
Should be:
Michigan
Washington
Texas
Alabama
There are three undefeated teams.
My guess is
Michigan
Washington
Texas
Alabama
The only thing I know for a certainty is chaos will ensue
True, but Texas beat Bama and FSU beat LSU and Florida this season. More so than most years, the argument the SEC winner has to get in because it’s the SEC is weaker than in recent memory
I agree with you and the OP: Washington, Michigan, Texas, FSU (assuming Michigan/Florida State wins, obviously)
If one of them loses, Bama gets in
For playing in the ACC???
Texas Michigan Bama Washington
The best four teams in the country are clearly in my mind:
Alabama, Georgia, Michigan (if they win), and Washington.
But I am sure the SC doesn't have the balls to go this direction.
+1
Texas Michigan Bama Washington
And basically on the road in ATL...
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100% in. The probably should have been in last year. They just beat the number one team.
Texas Michigan Bama Washington
And basically on the road in ATL...
It’s not remotely basically on the road. The fans were split almost 50/50. Georgia is an hour and a half closer to Atlanta than Bama is.
That doesn’t make it basically a home game
2. Washington
3. Alabama
4. FSU
Michigan gets fed the team with no QB to set up a final between ESPN's favorite conferences.
Texas deserves it over Bama but FSU doesn’t belong over Bama even with a win tonight.
College football is fun though! Saturday games are great.
I take back what I said earlier. The Committee won't want to put that shitty product on display. FSU is out.
I agree.
4 conference champions.
thats why texas > georgia/osu.
FSU im sorry, theres a quality of play you have to meet.
and you dont meet it.
not to mention the ACC is by far by far the worst power 5 conference this year.
without question FSU would have 3 losses at least playing a SEC schedule this year.
2. Washington
3. Alabama
4. FSU
Michigan gets fed the team with no QB to set up a final between ESPN's favorite conferences.
That might be true and if it is, FSU can beat Michigan.
4 conference champions.
thats why texas > georgia/osu.
FSU im sorry, theres a quality of play you have to meet.
and you dont meet it.
not to mention the ACC is by far by far the worst power 5 conference this year.
without question FSU would have 3 losses at least playing a SEC schedule this year.
You don't know that. They beat LSU, one of the best teams in the conference, and beat them worse than 'Bama beat them. Defense matters. Why isn't Michigan getting this scrutiny? Who have they beaten? OSU and PSU, and who else? Sure, Iowa, who can't score points. FSU with quality wins vs LSU, Clemson, and if this score holds, Louisville. Frankly, FSU's resume is as good as anyone's at the top. If you think Washington would beat the pants off of FSU? Washington hasn't played a defense like FSU's all season.
4 conference champions.
thats why texas > georgia/osu.
FSU im sorry, theres a quality of play you have to meet.
and you dont meet it.
not to mention the ACC is by far by far the worst power 5 conference this year.
without question FSU would have 3 losses at least playing a SEC schedule this year.
that's how I see it too
however, there will be some screams from Tallahassee and perhaps Athens
Crocodile tears SEC.
not to mention the ACC is by far by far the worst power 5 conference this year.
I may push back on this part. The Big 12 is just as weak.
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its bama, michigan, washington, texas.
4 conference champions.
thats why texas > georgia/osu.
FSU im sorry, theres a quality of play you have to meet.
and you dont meet it.
not to mention the ACC is by far by far the worst power 5 conference this year.
without question FSU would have 3 losses at least playing a SEC schedule this year.
that's how I see it too
however, there will be some screams from Tallahassee and perhaps Athens
Same here and I can understand the screams from Tallahassee but the folks in Athens had their shot today and came up short. Finishing second in a Power 5 this year isn’t getting you in.
Having said that I wouldn’t want to be the team that gets them in whatever Bowl they go to. That’s going to be one angry, talented team strapping it up.
However, if I was picking the best 4 teams id pick
Bama
UGA
Wash
Texas
Michigan will make it, but i think they would lose to all 4 of those teams above, and I think FSU could beat them
However, if I was picking the best 4 teams id pick
Bama
UGA
Wash
Texas
Michigan will make it, but i think they would lose to all 4 of those teams above, and I think FSU could beat them
Alabama gets in over Georgia - they won.
However, if I was picking the best 4 teams id pick
Bama
UGA
Wash
Texas
Michigan will make it, but i think they would lose to all 4 of those teams above, and I think FSU could beat them
With or without knowing the other team plays
2. Washington
3. FSU
4. Texas
5. Alabama
Of course, the AP is not the Committee.
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Go Alabama over Texas!
in the CFP based on results Saturday:
Michigan >99%
Washington >99%
Florida State >97%
Texas 55%
Alabama 41%
Ohio State 4%
Georgia 4%
FSU may not be one of the Top 4 teams, but I just can't envision how the committee can rationalize keeping a 13-0 Conference Champion out of playoffs.
IMO, Bama should be there, but I think they are gonna have to wait until next year.
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Over FSU? An undefeated Big 5 champion should not be left out. And Texas beat Alabama.
The OP had it right.
My guess is Bama wins the tournament. Milroe may not be an NFL QB but he is a very dangerous runner.
Michigan
FSU
Texas
3 unbeaten major conference champs. Texas and AL both major conference champs with 1 loss. Texas beat AL head to head convincingly. Some of you are trying to get way too subjective. It's football, not figure skating. And those getting subjective seem to forget that AL almost just lost to a mediocre Auburn team, but for an awful defensive play call
Not sure how you keep FSU out but they would likely get beat handily by whomever they face.
Michigan
FSU
Texas
3 unbeaten major conference champs. Texas and AL both major conference champs with 1 loss. Texas beat AL head to head convincingly. Some of you are trying to get way too subjective. It's football, not figure skating. And those getting subjective seem to forget that AL almost just lost to a mediocre Auburn team, but for an awful defensive play call
Of course it's subjective. That's the current system. There are no automatic qualifiers in place like the NCAA basketball tournament.
BTW, Auburn also had Georgia on the ropes a month ago before Georgia rallied in the 4th quarter.
OSU
FSU
Texas
UGA
Bama
Michigan
UW
Give one a bye and let the other 6 play in round 1
The FSU offense from last night probably can't. But that will not be the offense in a month. And FSU's defense can play with anyone.
And it really sounds like UGA might still have a shot but I don’t know who gets bounced to put them in.
They’re not gonna penalize a B10 Champ and the $$ that Conference brings, so I definitely think UM is in. UT was really impressive and hard to justify keeping them out. Bama gets in over UGA based on yesterday so could an undefeated soon to be no more PAC 12 Champ be on the bubble based on his comments?
I think UGA is one of the four best but I think they’ll end up out.
And it really sounds like UGA might still have a shot but I don’t know who gets bounced to put them in.
They’re not gonna penalize a B10 Champ and the $$ that Conference brings, so I definitely think UM is in. UT was really impressive and hard to justify keeping them out. Bama gets in over UGA based on yesterday so could an undefeated soon to be no more PAC 12 Champ be on the bubble based on his comments?
I think UGA is one of the four best but I think they’ll end up out.
By that reasoning it would be:
UGA, Alabama, OSU, Michigan....a couple excellent teams are going to miss out.
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Says it’s the “four best” not four most deserving. That sounds like FSU is on the outside looking in to me.
And it really sounds like UGA might still have a shot but I don’t know who gets bounced to put them in.
They’re not gonna penalize a B10 Champ and the $$ that Conference brings, so I definitely think UM is in. UT was really impressive and hard to justify keeping them out. Bama gets in over UGA based on yesterday so could an undefeated soon to be no more PAC 12 Champ be on the bubble based on his comments?
I think UGA is one of the four best but I think they’ll end up out.
By that reasoning it would be:
UGA, Alabama, OSU, Michigan....a couple excellent teams are going to miss out.
I’d have UT over OSU but it’s close. The expanded Playoff is coming a year too late and I hope there are this many deserving teams next year.
Ohio State made the playoffs last year having lost to Michigan (who made it, too), not winning the Big Ten championship, not even getting to the Big Ten championship, and not even winning their division in the Big Tean.
So, why do you think they made it without so many "factual things"?
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Says it’s the “four best” not four most deserving. That sounds like FSU is on the outside looking in to me.
And it really sounds like UGA might still have a shot but I don’t know who gets bounced to put them in.
They’re not gonna penalize a B10 Champ and the $$ that Conference brings, so I definitely think UM is in. UT was really impressive and hard to justify keeping them out. Bama gets in over UGA based on yesterday so could an undefeated soon to be no more PAC 12 Champ be on the bubble based on his comments?
I think UGA is one of the four best but I think they’ll end up out.
By that reasoning it would be:
UGA, Alabama, OSU, Michigan....a couple excellent teams are going to miss out.
I’d have UT over OSU but it’s close. The expanded Playoff is coming a year too late and I hope there are this many deserving teams next year.
Why would Texas be over OSU? I think I have residual disdain for Big 12 Conference, like the PAc-12.
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head to head, etc. are all objective, factual things. Getting way too subjective going into, "well I think this 1 loss team is better than this 0 loss team because they lost their QB"
Ohio State made the playoffs last year having lost to Michigan (who made it, too), not winning the Big Ten championship, not even getting to the Big Ten championship, and not even winning their division in the Big Tean.
So, why do you think they made it without so many "factual things"?
Because there weren’t three undefeated teams
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Says it’s the “four best” not four most deserving. That sounds like FSU is on the outside looking in to me.
And it really sounds like UGA might still have a shot but I don’t know who gets bounced to put them in.
They’re not gonna penalize a B10 Champ and the $$ that Conference brings, so I definitely think UM is in. UT was really impressive and hard to justify keeping them out. Bama gets in over UGA based on yesterday so could an undefeated soon to be no more PAC 12 Champ be on the bubble based on his comments?
I think UGA is one of the four best but I think they’ll end up out.
By that reasoning it would be:
UGA, Alabama, OSU, Michigan....a couple excellent teams are going to miss out.
I’d have UT over OSU but it’s close. The expanded Playoff is coming a year too late and I hope there are this many deserving teams next year.
Why would Texas be over OSU? I think I have residual disdain for Big 12 Conference, like the PAc-12.
Because for me their Bama win carries more weight than anything OSU has done.
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Says it’s the “four best” not four most deserving. That sounds like FSU is on the outside looking in to me.
And it really sounds like UGA might still have a shot but I don’t know who gets bounced to put them in.
They’re not gonna penalize a B10 Champ and the $$ that Conference brings, so I definitely think UM is in. UT was really impressive and hard to justify keeping them out. Bama gets in over UGA based on yesterday so could an undefeated soon to be no more PAC 12 Champ be on the bubble based on his comments?
I think UGA is one of the four best but I think they’ll end up out.
By that reasoning it would be:
UGA, Alabama, OSU, Michigan....a couple excellent teams are going to miss out.
I’d have UT over OSU but it’s close. The expanded Playoff is coming a year too late and I hope there are this many deserving teams next year.
Why would Texas be over OSU? I think I have residual disdain for Big 12 Conference, like the PAc-12.
Because for me their Bama win carries more weight than anything OSU has done.
Anything to keep Ohio State out is fine with me.
Washington
Texas
Alabama
But no matter how it shakes out, we are going to have some massive meltdowns from elite programs and fan bases that are left out and they’re not use to being told no. And I can’t wait for the entertaining mayhem from all their sniveling 😂
Washington
Texas
Alabama
But no matter how it shakes out, we are going to have some massive meltdowns from elite programs and fan bases that are left out and they’re not use to being told no. And I can’t wait for the entertaining mayhem from all their sniveling 😂
This. Going to be quite the drama after the selections are made. Extremely entertaining.
This is what it will be. Ridiculous to not have an SEC team in there.
Washington
Texas
Alabama
But no matter how it shakes out, we are going to have some massive meltdowns from elite programs and fan bases that are left out and they’re not use to being told no. And I can’t wait for the entertaining mayhem from all their sniveling 😂
If you have a loss, especially in a conference championship game, you have no reason to pout.
What will cause an uproar is jumping teams over teams that were ranked higher before the weekend and the higher ranked teams won.
If not for the Playoff Poll, the two main polls (AP and Coaches)
Likely are:
1.) Michigan
2.) Washington
3.) FSU
4.) Alabama/Texas
5.) Texas/Alabama
6.) Georgia
7.) Ohio State
and so on...
I thoroughly expect:
Michigan
Washington
Texas/Alabama
Alabama/Texas
Vegas thinks otherwise
It's Michigan vs the world.
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Michigan
Washington
Texas
Alabama
But no matter how it shakes out, we are going to have some massive meltdowns from elite programs and fan bases that are left out and they’re not use to being told no. And I can’t wait for the entertaining mayhem from all their sniveling 😂
If you have a loss, especially in a conference championship game, you have no reason to pout.
What will cause an uproar is jumping teams over teams that were ranked higher before the weekend and the higher ranked teams won.
If not for the Playoff Poll, the two main polls (AP and Coaches)
Likely are:
1.) Michigan
2.) Washington
3.) FSU
4.) Alabama/Texas
5.) Texas/Alabama
6.) Georgia
7.) Ohio State
and so on...
I thoroughly expect:
Michigan
Washington
Texas/Alabama
Alabama/Texas
Oh I agree with everything you say but you’re out of your mind if you don’t think there will be any “pouting”. Hell, the preemptive strikes already started last night. Kirby Smart took about 5 seconds after coming off a loss to completely dismiss the loss as a nothing burger and telling the world that Georgia deserved to be in. Ummm, you just LOST!
And I love the ole “it’s not the most deserving, it’s the best teams” nonsense. So, if deserving has nothing to do with it, why the hell are we bothering to play the games? Just pick the 4 teams YOU randomly think are the 4 best teams at the beginning of the season and let them go right into the playoffs. No need to play all the other games since deserve has nothing to do with it, apparently. How the hell does anyone know who “the best” teams are unless they play? Everyone thought Oregon was better than Washington. Oops! Everyone thought Georgia would beat Alabama. Oops! They are supposed to be playing the games for a reason. Results should matter more than some random nerds opinions sitting in a room together
What will cause an uproar is jumping teams over teams that were ranked higher before the weekend and the higher ranked teams won.
If not for the Playoff Poll, the two main polls (AP and Coaches)
Likely are:
1.) Michigan
2.) Washington
3.) FSU
4.) Alabama/Texas
5.) Texas/Alabama
6.) Georgia
7.) Ohio State
and so on...
I thoroughly expect:
Michigan
Washington
Texas/Alabama
Alabama/Texas
Oh I agree with everything you say but you’re out of your mind if you don’t think there will be any “pouting”. Hell, the preemptive strikes already started last night. Kirby Smart took about 5 seconds after coming off a loss to completely dismiss the loss as a nothing burger and telling the world that Georgia deserved to be in. Ummm, you just LOST!
And I love the ole “it’s not the most deserving, it’s the best teams” nonsense. So, if deserving has nothing to do with it, why the hell are we bothering to play the games? Just pick the 4 teams YOU randomly think are the 4 best teams at the beginning of the season and let them go right into the playoffs. No need to play all the other games since deserve has nothing to do with it, apparently. How the hell does anyone know who “the best” teams are unless they play? Everyone thought Oregon was better than Washington. Oops! Everyone thought Georgia would beat Alabama. Oops! They are supposed to be playing the games for a reason. Results should matter more than some random nerds opinions sitting in a room together
Well yeah, there will be pouting, but they shouldn't. They lost.
It will be fascinating to see.
But I just can't see how the committee can keep out an undefeated 13-0 Major Conference Champion.
(1) Michigan
(2) Washington
(3) Texas
(4) Florida State
My guess is Alabama will be on the outside looking in. Cue the outrage.
(1) Michigan
(2) Washington
(3) Florida State
(4) Alabama
3 undefeated teams plus the SEC champ.
In fact, it's in writing.
Then just have a rematch between Bama and Georgia to determine the actual best team.
I think its Michigan, Washington, FSU and Texas.
with the committee trying to arrange things so its Michigan vs Texas in the final.
I get that the committee wants a SEC team. But Florida State won all its games - beating two SEC teams in the process (and one was without Travis).
In fact, it's in writing.
Which four, in your opinion, are the best?
IMO the best 4 are Bama, Michigan, Georgia and Texas. I don't think the SC would do that, no matter what their charter says.
Michigan
Washington
Texas
FSU
Bama
Georgia
OSU
Oregon
In fact, it's in writing.
They’ve never actually done that though. If they did Cincianitti and TCU would have never made it
2. Washington,
3. Alabama
4. Texas
2. Washington,
3. Alabama
4. Texas
Brace yourself. (:-)
Michigan
Washington
Texas
FSU
Bama
Georgia
OSU
Oregon
Not gonna happen but there are really 8 teams worthy this year
In fact, it's in writing.
First, lose the condescending bullshit. The uninformed? You are such a freaking clown show.
Second, most of us are well aware that the committee says they go with the “best teams”. That doesn’t mean everyone has to agree with it. What the hell is the best team? Nobody knows unless they prove it on the field against each other. Your idea of what the best teams are is different than what others’ think the best teams are. The committee has final say, of course but I’m sure even they debate amongst each other on who that even is.
Do they select on record? (FSU has to get in.)
Do they select on strength of schedule? (Bama/SEC in.)
Do they select based on money/politics? (FSU out, Bama in, hoping for Texas/Michigan final.)
I am sure they have a hierarchy, but not sure what they weigh the most?
Weighing that the offense look bad with a true freshman shouldn't negate the dominance their D showed, especially when some of the other hopeful teams are playing track meets each week.
In fact, it's in writing.
Ok...do you think people thought they were supposed to select the worst teams? The question is how the best teams are determined. By actually playing games, or what some BCS politicians think in their heads?
IMO, this year is pretty easy. Three unbeaten major conference champs. Then there are two major conference champs with one loss: Texas and AL. They played head to head and Texas won convincingly
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the selection committee specifically says their charter is to select the best teams.
In fact, it's in writing.
They’ve never actually done that though. If they did Cincianitti and TCU would have never made it
I don't want to suggest the SC has always selected the right teams. It's still a subjective conclusion.
Just stating their mission statement.
And I don't want to give the impression that it's the end of the world if FSU gets a spot. They have had a great year. So, if they get it, good for them. I have consistently said the sport is better when they are relevant.
I just see a path where they should be excluded.
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the selection committee specifically says their charter is to select the best teams.
In fact, it's in writing.
Which four, in your opinion, are the best?
IMO the best 4 are Bama, Michigan, Georgia and Texas. I don't think the SC would do that, no matter what their charter says.
I agree with your four. And would applaud the committee for doing that.
There is history to support that, actually. A #1 team going into the final week has never fallen below the #4 line after a loss. And the SEC champ has never been excluded.
It's a very difficult year.
If FSU makes it, I understand but they are not the same quality team without Travis. The country doesn't want to watch Tate Rodemaker in the semi finals
Weighing that the offense look bad with a true freshman shouldn't negate the dominance their D showed, especially when some of the other hopeful teams are playing track meets each week.
The argument against FSU isn’t, “Can they win a playoff game without Travis?” Of course they could. It’s “Are they one of the four best teams without him?” I think that’s a difficult argument to make. And how the teams looked yesterday isn’t particularly important IMO.
The PAC 12 was way better than the ACC.
The BIG 12 champ has a win in the home stadium of the SEC Champ.
THE SEC Champ just ended the winning streak of the two time defending national champs.
Michigan, despite the cupcake schedule and cheating scandal, was largely seen as the best team this season. They also have a superior win to any of FSU’s.
Those are arguments that the committee can make. However, there’s no doubt in my mind that the Noles would’ve made it with a healthy Travis. It sucks, but it is what it is (tm Antrel Rolle).
2. Washington (11) 13-0
3. Texas 12-1
4. Florida State 13-0
They got it right. Alabama shouldn't make it if you watched them play other than yesterday.
2. Washington (11) 13-0
3. Texas 12-1
4. Florida State 13-0
They got it right. Alabama shouldn't make it if you watched them play other than yesterday.
With the exception of Michigan and Texas, all of the other teams have ugly games against bad teams. FSU-Boston College, WASH-Arizona State/Washington State/Stanford, Alabama-Auburn. The Huskies had so many that they were underdogs to Oregon.
The difference is regular viewers didn’t watch any of those games aside from the Iron Bowl so they got memory holed.
If FSU makes it, I understand but they are not the same quality team without Travis. The country doesn't want to watch Tate Rodemaker in the semi finals
How do you know? The guy is likely the starter next year for FSU unless they bring in someone through the portal.
How about let's see if some of the others can score on FSU's defense.
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Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama.
If FSU makes it, I understand but they are not the same quality team without Travis. The country doesn't want to watch Tate Rodemaker in the semi finals
How do you know? The guy is likely the starter next year for FSU unless they bring in someone through the portal.
How about let's see if some of the others can score on FSU's defense.
Im basing my post off of watching him struggle vs Florida last week. Maybe you're an FSU guy and know more about him but I wasn't impressed in the only game I've seen him play.
Being the starter next year and having the whole spring/summer to get used to playing, has nothing to do with selecting the best 4 teams for the playoffs.
As I said, I won't be surprised if they are the 4th seed but lets not pretend FSU's offense is the same with him vs Travis
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Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama.
If FSU makes it, I understand but they are not the same quality team without Travis. The country doesn't want to watch Tate Rodemaker in the semi finals
How do you know? The guy is likely the starter next year for FSU unless they bring in someone through the portal.
How about let's see if some of the others can score on FSU's defense.
Im basing my post off of watching him struggle vs Florida last week. Maybe you're an FSU guy and know more about him but I wasn't impressed in the only game I've seen him play.
Being the starter next year and having the whole spring/summer to get used to playing, has nothing to do with selecting the best 4 teams for the playoffs.
As I said, I won't be surprised if they are the 4th seed but lets not pretend FSU's offense is the same with him vs Travis
He had 5 days to prepare for UF. How much do you think Norvell let him do in that game? Do I expect Rodemaker to turn into Travis in a month? No. But he would be a significant upgrade to Glenn.
But I suspect he will be significantly better than Glenn.
Maybe Alabama is better. But they have already lost on the field. Let an undefeated team have their shot.
Plus Bama should not have even won last weekend.
So unfair to the FSU students.
ACC has a winning record against the SEC this year
That does not matter. What matters is the teams. When Clemson was beating everyone up, SEC was still better overall than the ACC. But Clemson was the best team.
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SEC>ACC.
ACC has a winning record against the SEC this year
I know - but that doesn’t seem to matter to the committee
Now they have to play against hot team Texas in its backyard in a dome where crowd noise will play large factor.
UW-Michigan in Rose also would have been nice send-off for the Pac 12.
they did not.
if they showed they had something on offense theyd be in ala a cardale jones situation.
alabama texas
they did not.
if they showed they had something on offense theyd be in ala a cardale jones situation.
They won with the third string freshman QB who had 5 practices. They beat the #14 team in the country. It was ugly but they won.
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they had to.
they did not.
if they showed they had something on offense theyd be in ala a cardale jones situation.
They won with the third string freshman QB who had 5 practices. They beat the #14 team in the country. It was ugly but they won.
they won and he threw for 50 yards.
they did not.
if they showed they had something on offense theyd be in ala a cardale jones situation.
With the way the other games worked out, I don’t think there was any scenario in which something that happened in the ACC championship game would’ve changed this outcome.
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they had to.
they did not.
if they showed they had something on offense theyd be in ala a cardale jones situation.
With the way the other games worked out, I don’t think there was any scenario in which something that happened in the ACC championship game would’ve changed this outcome.
i disagree.
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they had to.
they did not.
if they showed they had something on offense theyd be in ala a cardale jones situation.
They won with the third string freshman QB who had 5 practices. They beat the #14 team in the country. It was ugly but they won.
they won and he threw for 50 yards.
What part of freshman QB with 5 practices can you not comprehend.
Total scumbag maneuver no matter how it is packaged.
you were right
Jordan Travis was a major part of why they were one of the best teams in the country.
That has nothing to do with this decision.
If Jordan Travis is healthy and Bama was chosen over Texas, then you could argue this point.
I wish the expansion was this year instead of next.
Didn't the ACC vote not to have he expansion this year? JFC, that would be ironic...
Exactly.
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matter. WTF.
Jordan Travis was a major part of why they were one of the best teams in the country.
That is part of it, and the defense wasn't?
It gets easier for the committee next year with 12 teams. Fans will be arguing about # 13, 14 and 15.
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Said it earlier: the committee would run over their grandmother to get 'Bama in.
That has nothing to do with this decision.
If Jordan Travis is healthy and Bama was chosen over Texas, then you could argue this point.
they're getting their 2nd string QB back before the playoffs. So we're just saying he can't drive the offense with a few weeks of practicing witht he first team. this is weak.
i guess this opens the door to the NFL bouncing teams from the playoffs if their QB gets hurt in the first round and replacing them with a team with a healthy QB.
The committee loves-LOVES-'Bama. That is obvious AF to me & has been for awhile.
I wish the expansion was this year instead of next.
Didn't the ACC vote not to have he expansion this year? JFC, that would be ironic...
Total scumbag maneuver. They just shit on kids that played their ass off. They took the #4 team, that won their conference title and took teams rated behind them before the weekend and jumped two teams over them.
FSU shold tell the NCAA and their 40 bowls to go fuck themselves.
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but this is just a terrible situation for FSU.
I wish the expansion was this year instead of next.
Didn't the ACC vote not to have he expansion this year? JFC, that would be ironic...
Total scumbag maneuver. They just shit on kids that played their ass off. They took the #4 team, that won their conference title and took teams rated behind them before the weekend and jumped two teams over them.
FSU shold tell the NCAA and their 40 bowls to go fuck themselves.
exactly. and I am not an FSU fan. but to screw the kids like this is bullshit.
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but this is just a terrible situation for FSU.
I wish the expansion was this year instead of next.
Didn't the ACC vote not to have he expansion this year? JFC, that would be ironic...
Total scumbag maneuver. They just shit on kids that played their ass off. They took the #4 team, that won their conference title and took teams rated behind them before the weekend and jumped two teams over them.
FSU shold tell the NCAA and their 40 bowls to go fuck themselves.
I get it. It's a very tough pill to swallow if you are an FSU supporter.
What a great season FSU had and I hope the school and the community do something really nice for them.
Some teams have gotten in who probably shouldn't have and vice versa. Very unfortunate for FSU and I certainly understand and respect those who felt they got screwed.
I still hope they get to 16 with every conference champion in one day.
If FSU isn’t one of the top 4 teams how are they ahead of Georgia
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but this is just a terrible situation for FSU.
I wish the expansion was this year instead of next.
Didn't the ACC vote not to have he expansion this year? JFC, that would be ironic...
Total scumbag maneuver. They just shit on kids that played their ass off. They took the #4 team, that won their conference title and took teams rated behind them before the weekend and jumped two teams over them.
FSU shold tell the NCAA and their 40 bowls to go fuck themselves.
I get it. It's a very tough pill to swallow if you are an FSU supporter.
Scumbag decision.
they're getting their 2nd string QB back before the playoffs. So we're just saying he can't drive the offense with a few weeks of practicing witht he first team. this is weak.
i guess this opens the door to the NFL bouncing teams from the playoffs if their QB gets hurt in the first round and replacing them with a team with a healthy QB.
Your NFL point is silly. There’s no subjectivity to the NFL playoff process. That’s how teams with losing records make the postseason while teams with ten wins sit at home. Unfortunately, that’s not the process here and while it will be easier going forward, subjectivity will still play a role in the college playoffs.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that FSU couldn’t win a game with backup QBs. I think in this process that it’s very easy to argue that FSU isn’t one of the 4 best teams without Jordan Travis. That may not even be true, but it’s an argument that can be made. And with very tough choices, that was the easiest way to make the decision.
If FSU isn’t one of the top 4 teams how are they ahead of Georgia
excellent point
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matter. WTF.
Jordan Travis was a major part of why they were one of the best teams in the country.
Yup and sounds like him being out is a major reason why they got bounced. They must think even with a practicing #2 they still aren’t near a top 4 level.
I think it simply comes down to that as much as it sucks for them to be out.
It would’ve been really interesting if he wasn’t hurt and they couldn’t be kept out. Then it would’ve come down to Bama/UT for the final spot and I think the committee is relieved not to have to make that choice. Much easier to cite Travis’s injury, bounce them and get the other two in.
If FSU isn’t one of the top 4 teams how are they ahead of Georgia
I can buy that point re: Travis. He's been on my list since the end of the first month of games.
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they're getting their 2nd string QB back before the playoffs. So we're just saying he can't drive the offense with a few weeks of practicing witht he first team. this is weak.
i guess this opens the door to the NFL bouncing teams from the playoffs if their QB gets hurt in the first round and replacing them with a team with a healthy QB.
Your NFL point is silly. There’s no subjectivity to the NFL playoff process. That’s how teams with losing records make the postseason while teams with ten wins sit at home. Unfortunately, that’s not the process here and while it will be easier going forward, subjectivity will still play a role in the college playoffs.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that FSU couldn’t win a game with backup QBs. I think in this process that it’s very easy to argue that FSU isn’t one of the 4 best teams without Jordan Travis. That may not even be true, but it’s an argument that can be made. And with very tough choices, that was the easiest way to make the decision.
i was being facetious. but what I really think is that yes, you can argue that FSU isn't the same team and not a top 4 team. but you can also argue that their defense alone makes them a top 4 team. they haven't lost a game yet, even after adversity. it's not fair to bounce them because you believe they won't rise to the challenge. let them rise or not rise. you're replacing them with a team that has already lost. and barely, barely got past auburn just 8 days ago.
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It seems like Texas would have jumped FSU for the final spot in that scenario too.
Exactly.
Not at all, at least not necessarily.
Alabama winning gave Texas a big boost because now they've beaten the SEC champs and how do you leave them out and put Bama in.
Would have been much easier for Committee to go with undefeated FSU if Bama had gone down to UGA.
i was being facetious. but what I really think is that yes, you can argue that FSU isn't the same team and not a top 4 team. but you can also argue that their defense alone makes them a top 4 team. they haven't lost a game yet, even after adversity. it's not fair to bounce them because you believe they won't rise to the challenge. let them rise or not rise. you're replacing them with a team that has already lost. and barely, barely got past auburn just 8 days ago.
As I mentioned earlier, you can do the “almost lost to a bad team” argument with everyone except for Michigan and Texas. The difference is everyone watched the Iron Bowl and no one remembers Washington-Arizona State or FSU-Boston College.
Losing a Heisman Trophy finalist QB was the key factor and I don’t think that any result against Louisville was going to move the needle enough to keep FSU over those other 4 teams. It’s unfortunate, but that’s life.
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matter. WTF.
Jordan Travis was a major part of why they were one of the best teams in the country.
Yup and sounds like him being out is a major reason why they got bounced. They must think even with a practicing #2 they still aren’t near a top 4 level.
I think it simply comes down to that as much as it sucks for them to be out.
It would’ve been really interesting if he wasn’t hurt and they couldn’t be kept out. Then it would’ve come down to Bama/UT for the final spot and I think the committee is relieved not to have to make that choice. Much easier to cite Travis’s injury, bounce them and get the other two in.
If Travis isn't hurt FSU is #2 behind Michigan. Remember the polls jumped Washington over FSU after Travis got hurt.
As for Alabama, I am a big fan, but I also know that if they don’t complete that last gasp TD pass last week, they are on the outside looking in, regardless of Georgia game.
And so it goes.
Here’s to an expanded play-off system where the teams fighting for the 11th and 12th seeds won’t mean Jack.
Will it really matter since I’d bet they’re going to face each other in a Bowl?
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put Georgia ahead of FSU. they just showed they're full of shit.
Will it really matter since I’d bet they’re going to face each other in a Bowl? [/quote
They are supposed to be in the Orange Bowl, yes. But the point is they took the #8 team and jumped them 4 places but dropped Georgia 5 places. It was a placation...
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matter. WTF.
Jordan Travis was a major part of why they were one of the best teams in the country.
Yup and sounds like him being out is a major reason why they got bounced. They must think even with a practicing #2 they still aren’t near a top 4 level.
I think it simply comes down to that as much as it sucks for them to be out.
It would’ve been really interesting if he wasn’t hurt and they couldn’t be kept out. Then it would’ve come down to Bama/UT for the final spot and I think the committee is relieved not to have to make that choice. Much easier to cite Travis’s injury, bounce them and get the other two in.
If Travis isn't hurt FSU is #2 behind Michigan. Remember the polls jumped Washington over FSU after Travis got hurt.
Yes and why I said they’d be in easy. My point was the committee would’ve really had its hands full deciding and then justifying either UT or Bama at 4 if he wasn’t hurt.
Do you take the SEC Champ who just beat #1 or a team that beat them, even if very early in the season? I think secretly the Committee is glad they didn’t have to make that choice and used the Travis injury as an easy or easier out for their selections.
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Do you take the SEC Champ who just beat #1 or a team that beat them, even if very early in the season? I think secretly the Committee is glad they didn’t have to make that choice and used the Travis injury as an easy or easier out for their selections.
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Right, you take the #8 team over the undefeated #4 team(who would have been the #2 team if Travis wasn't hurt). What kind of thinking is that? The committee would have hoped to bypass FSU even with Travis just to get Alabama in?
Not worth arguing over. The committee is a bunch of scumbags.
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Do you take the SEC Champ who just beat #1 or a team that beat them, even if very early in the season? I think secretly the Committee is glad they didn’t have to make that choice and used the Travis injury as an easy or easier out for their selections.
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Right, you take the #8 team over the undefeated #4 team(who would have been the #2 team if Travis wasn't hurt). What kind of thinking is that? The committee would have hoped to bypass FSU even with Travis just to get Alabama in?
Not worth arguing over. The committee is a bunch of scumbags.
I’m not sure you’re getting what I’m saying. I said if Travis didn’t get hurt they’d definitely in and the the argument comes down to Bama/UT for the 4th team.
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Do you take the SEC Champ who just beat #1 or a team that beat them, even if very early in the season? I think secretly the Committee is glad they didn’t have to make that choice and used the Travis injury as an easy or easier out for their selections.
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Right, you take the #8 team over the undefeated #4 team(who would have been the #2 team if Travis wasn't hurt). What kind of thinking is that? The committee would have hoped to bypass FSU even with Travis just to get Alabama in?
Not worth arguing over. The committee is a bunch of scumbags.
I’m not sure you’re getting what I’m saying. I said if Travis didn’t get hurt they’d definitely in and the the argument comes down to Bama/UT for the 4th team.
Ok thanks. No I wasn't getting it. My fault.
But I am done with this. Will never be good with this decision. I can rationalize it but when you need to rationalize a decision it it wrong.
I don't think that would have nearly the magnitude today's decision did. Noise? Maybe. But the fallback position will be that at least the team got in...
FSU would have been blown out vs whomever they were matched up against.
I do not think this was some set up to keep an SEC team in...
FSU would have been blown out vs whomever they were matched up against.
I do not think this was some set up to keep an SEC team in...
again, they'd have their 2nd string QB back. and we'll see if they get blown out.
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put Georgia ahead of FSU. they just showed they're full of shit.
Will it really matter since I’d bet they’re going to face each other in a Bowl?
what I meant is that it matters because it shows their logic is inconsistent. if they are saying they are putting the best teams in, the logic they used to justify Bama over FSU could easily be used for Georgia over FSU. and probably Ohio as well. they're saying the FSU QB is hurt but only enough to get Bama into the playoffs.
man, i'm on a rant fest today.
man, i'm on a rant fest today.
The committee only looks at this year and what happened with Hurts/Tua is irrelevant as it should be. Besides the fact one change was made during the game and Travis has been out for a few games now and everyone can see how it has affected their O.
The rants against Bama are kind of funny to me though, as even if they lost to UGA yesterday, FSU still would be out based on where they put UT in the Final 4.
It would’ve been::
UGA
UM
UW
UT
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need the QB that brought you there. and the team that is in is the one that benched their QB that got them there DURING a national championship game. and they went on to win.
man, i'm on a rant fest today.
The committee only looks at this year and what happened with Hurts/Tua is irrelevant as it should be. Besides the fact one change was made during the game and Travis has been out for a few games now and everyone can see how it has affected their O.
The rants against Bama are kind of funny to me though, as even if they lost to UGA yesterday, FSU still would be out based on where they put UT in the Final 4.
It would’ve been::
UGA
UM
UW
UT
Not it wouldn’t be. The only reason Texas is at three is because they couldn’t just putting Bama in and not them.
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need the QB that brought you there. and the team that is in is the one that benched their QB that got them there DURING a national championship game. and they went on to win.
man, i'm on a rant fest today.
The committee only looks at this year and what happened with Hurts/Tua is irrelevant as it should be. Besides the fact one change was made during the game and Travis has been out for a few games now and everyone can see how it has affected their O.
The rants against Bama are kind of funny to me though, as even if they lost to UGA yesterday, FSU still would be out based on where they put UT in the Final 4.
It would’ve been::
UGA
UM
UW
UT
Not it wouldn’t be. The only reason Texas is at three is because they couldn’t just putting Bama in and not them.
Sure man, you tell yourself whatever you need to to deal with the truth. If you can’t see Bama and UT are better teams than FSU, then any further discussion is useless.