When the Giants drafted Thibodeaux they all told me he was the kind of guy that would talk a lot and probably had an eye on his post-football career.
I hated the pick at the time, though I can't deny he's had times where he's been a very effective pass rusher. I'm just saying, if trading up for Daniels were a possibility...
But perhaps his comments shed light on a deeper problem this past season.
Schoen and Daboll may have kissed on all the good will they had built up in year one by the way they approached the Saquon and Jones free agency last offseason.
Saquon was offered a large contract during the season, before his production fell off a cliff.
Saquon and his agents turned it down....they gambled and lost.
KT is a 2nd year player that really shouldn't be commenting on veteran players' contracts. Something Tiki Barber learned the hard way from Michael Strahan years ago.
Lombardi got pounded for his "Disease of Me" comments, but it's unfolded exactly how he said it would. A mediocre team goes 9-7-1 and wins a playoff game and everyone wants to get paid. And the players know. You can't lie to the players.
Notice how many players have commented on Jones' contract?
When the Giants drafted Thibodeaux they all told me he was the kind of guy that would talk a lot and probably had an eye on his post-football career.
I hated the pick at the time, though I can't deny he's had times where he's been a very effective pass rusher. I'm just saying, if trading up for Daniels were a possibility...
This feels like the first thing he’s really said in the media that’s mucking up the works but I agree with you, I’d trade him if it meant getting a chance at one of the top QBs and I think Thibs will only get better under better coaching
Also Barkley was offered in season last year and turned it down. He should talk about how he disappeared the last month of the season and only did anything against backups and bums most of the year.
Lombardi got pounded for his "Disease of Me" comments, but it's unfolded exactly how he said it would. A mediocre team goes 9-7-1 and wins a playoff game and everyone wants to get paid. And the players know. You can't lie to the players.
Notice how many players have commented on Jones' contract?
Yup. I don’t even really have a problem with Kayvon saying it either. A lot of players there will feel the same especially after how this year went down. Who gives a shit if what is obvious is public?
RE: I bet he doesn't think middle linebackers should get paid
before edge rushers. Only a pass over run league when it fits him
Eloquent. Man, this cuts right to it. Glad you posted this. I really like KT, but it would sit differently when Dex says something like this. At least my old ass knows Dex isn't a glorified child.
Goody gets what Goody wants and what he has is a league that has hit rock bottom as far as quality goes.
His greatest concern is that the cattle fill the stadiums and the suite he is in doesn't run out of melted butter.
That just sounds stupid. Really, that is stupid. The Giants have nobody to blame but themselves. Thibs is a good player with an ego of a great player and a guy who thinks he "trends" greater off the field.
Barkley and his production is extremely overrated and over played. Its a tired comment. Thibs should remember you don't talk about other peoples money..
I hope Saquon and DJ never play a down for the Giants again. I can’t for this era to be OVER. Dave Gettleman is a fucking bafoon and John Mara is an even bigger idiot for putting this franchise in this situation.
I hope Saquon and DJ never play a down for the Giants again. I can’t for this era to be OVER. Dave Gettleman is a fucking bafoon and John Mara is an even bigger idiot for putting this franchise in this situation.
Yep. Stop chasing this failed experiment. It's not working. The record proves it.
Barkley WAS offered a contract, a collective deal that would have paid him extremely well. Last one was worth $22M guaranteed, if I recall and Saquon turned it down.
Thibodeaux is a young guy who needs to keep it private. Whether he believes what he says or not.
I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.
Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.
Trading the better player for saying something publicly, because of an organizational mistake and failure is exactly why the Giants are in the spot they are.
I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.
Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.
I'm sure it will great for the cohesiveness of this franchise if Mara pressures Schoen to trade the very first draft pick he made for his regime. Schoen gets super defensive about Evan Neal for god's sake.
Barkley wouldn't take it. It does take two. I was on the fence about it before but now I would be okay including LT in a trade up for the right QB.
That’s not entirely true. Saqoun wanted more than what the Giants were willing to offer.
They tried to pay him what the Giants wanted to.
So they should pay him what he wanted?
No RB got paid top $$ last offseason, and SB is likely to not get what the Giants offered him last year. RB's are perishable, with a very specific shelf life. Players and fans don't want to hear it, but RBs fall off a cliff after year 7 in the NFL.
Something SB is about to learn, and KT hasn't been around long enough to understand.
I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.
Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.
Trading the better player for saying something publicly, because of an organizational mistake and failure is exactly why the Giants are in the spot they are.
Feelings over results.
For a shot at the QB they want? Talking about trading up to 1 in the draft.
You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
You might want to see his full quote....it looks like you may have jumped the gun with your conclusion:
“I believe in Daniel Jones. What I'm mad about is that Saquon – because if you look at the game, the tape, Saquon was responsible for at least 30 percent of our explosive plays, talking about the year [2022] we won the playoff game. Ryan Dunleavy Twitter - ( New Window )
Barkley wouldn't take it. It does take two. I was on the fence about it before but now I would be okay including LT in a trade up for the right QB.
That’s not entirely true. Saqoun wanted more than what the Giants were willing to offer.
They tried to pay him what the Giants wanted to.
So they should pay him what he wanted?
No RB got paid top $$ last offseason, and SB is likely to not get what the Giants offered him last year. RB's are perishable, with a very specific shelf life. Players and fans don't want to hear it, but RBs fall off a cliff after year 7 in the NFL.
Something SB is about to learn, and KT hasn't been around long enough to understand.
No they shouldn’t have, but Saqoun also didn’t have to just take it.
Barkley wouldn't take it. It does take two. I was on the fence about it before but now I would be okay including LT in a trade up for the right QB.
That’s not entirely true. Saqoun wanted more than what the Giants were willing to offer.
They tried to pay him what the Giants wanted to.
So they should pay him what he wanted?
No RB got paid top $$ last offseason, and SB is likely to not get what the Giants offered him last year. RB's are perishable, with a very specific shelf life. Players and fans don't want to hear it, but RBs fall off a cliff after year 7 in the NFL.
Something SB is about to learn, and KT hasn't been around long enough to understand.
No they shouldn’t have, but Saqoun also didn’t have to just take it.
Well, how did it work out for him not taking it?
Or just about every other FA RB this past offseason?
Will SB make up the money he turned down this coming offseason?
So, yeah, he should have taken it unless you see a path to him getting that money 1 year and 1 injury later.
Regardless of how you feel about Thibs talking out loud
about a topic that he probably should have stayed quiet about, you can take it to the bank that if he is saying something like this in public, then a lot of players on the team must have felt the same way.
And that doesn't exactly make for an ideal locker room which surely doesn't help the team win football games!
You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
You might want to see his full quote....it looks like you may have jumped the gun with your conclusion:
“I believe in Daniel Jones. What I'm mad about is that Saquon – because if you look at the game, the tape, Saquon was responsible for at least 30 percent of our explosive plays, talking about the year [2022] we won the playoff game. Ryan Dunleavy Twitter - ( New Window )
nothing wrong with saying you believe in the guy but not enough to think he's better than the other guy.
You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.
You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.
You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I
but I just think its funny that Mara has always been so worried about a coach losing the fans and the team yet here we are in a situation where its actually his quarterback who has seemed to have "lost everyone".
You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.
You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I
We know players around the league have disparaged Jones and his deal. You don't think players on the Giants hear this or maybe think the same way? Why wouldn't they? They gave a poor player a mega contract and shafted the best offensive player on the team. Barkley is the Giants' talismanic player. And KT's comments are an indication of where the locker room is. You can't fool players.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo
You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.
You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I
We know players around the league have disparaged Jones and his deal. You don't think players on the Giants hear this or maybe think the same way? Why wouldn't they? They gave a poor player a mega contract and shafted the best offensive player on the team. Barkley is the Giants' talismanic player. And KT's comments are an indication of where the locker room is. You can't fool players.
Maybe if you bothered to read the entire quote it isn’t as bad as it seems
And again….speculation is not fact Producer….you have no idea….none of us do
RE: RE: RE: RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo
You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.
You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I
We know players around the league have disparaged Jones and his deal. You don't think players on the Giants hear this or maybe think the same way? Why wouldn't they? They gave a poor player a mega contract and shafted the best offensive player on the team. Barkley is the Giants' talismanic player. And KT's comments are an indication of where the locker room is. You can't fool players.
And by the way…Barkley got shafted?….thats one hell of an imagination you have as the team approached him BEFORE Jones with an extension offer during the 22 season
You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.
You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I
We know players around the league have disparaged Jones and his deal. You don't think players on the Giants hear this or maybe think the same way? Why wouldn't they? They gave a poor player a mega contract and shafted the best offensive player on the team. Barkley is the Giants' talismanic player. And KT's comments are an indication of where the locker room is. You can't fool players.
Maybe if you bothered to read the entire quote it isn’t as bad as it seems
And again….speculation is not fact Producer….you have no idea….none of us do
“The dude did not want to throw the ball,” one 49ers defender told Silver, shaking his head. “Early on, you could tell it wasn’t gonna happen. Everything was a checkdown. At that point, we knew what time it was.”
Jones struggled early on in his NFL career and was susceptible to turnovers. The 49ers' defense was hungry for takeaways and came away with just one, a fourth-quarter interception tipped into the hands of safety Talanoa Hufanga.
“Hell yeah, we were trying to get that b---h,” linebacker Dre Greenlaw told Silver — referring to the football. “A lot of people who make all that money don’t even deserve it. I think they took a chance [when they paid him]. I mean, he’s not bad. And if you ain’t got nothing better …”
You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.
You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I
We know players around the league have disparaged Jones and his deal. You don't think players on the Giants hear this or maybe think the same way? Why wouldn't they? They gave a poor player a mega contract and shafted the best offensive player on the team. Barkley is the Giants' talismanic player. And KT's comments are an indication of where the locker room is. You can't fool players.
Maybe if you bothered to read the entire quote it isn’t as bad as it seems
And again….speculation is not fact Producer….you have no idea….none of us do
“The dude did not want to throw the ball,” one 49ers defender told Silver, shaking his head. “Early on, you could tell it wasn’t gonna happen. Everything was a checkdown. At that point, we knew what time it was.”
Jones struggled early on in his NFL career and was susceptible to turnovers. The 49ers' defense was hungry for takeaways and came away with just one, a fourth-quarter interception tipped into the hands of safety Talanoa Hufanga.
“Hell yeah, we were trying to get that b---h,” linebacker Dre Greenlaw told Silver — referring to the football. “A lot of people who make all that money don’t even deserve it. I think they took a chance [when they paid him]. I mean, he’s not bad. And if you ain’t got nothing better …”
And that has literally nothing to do with what goes on inside the GIANTS locker room
So players around the league trash Jones. And then KT says Barkley deserved to be paid first, not Jones, and you don't think there's a chance players in Giants locker room doesn't deserve the bag? Okay..
Yes he’s young. Learning experience maybe but he has a lot to prove moving forward. Either way there’s no point to call out who should have gotten paid.
Stick up for SB and state your opinion but why bring up Jones contract.
And that has literally nothing to do with what goes on inside the GIANTS locker room
So players around the league trash Jones. And then KT says Barkley deserved to be paid first, not Jones, and you don't think there's a chance players in Giants locker room doesn't deserve the bag? Okay..
Read the entire quote
And again…for the 3rd time….nobody has any idea how the locker room feels
Tell me again how Barkley got shafted when he was offered an extension before Jones….that is a fact
When the Giants drafted Thibodeaux they all told me he was the kind of guy that would talk a lot and probably had an eye on his post-football career.
I hated the pick at the time, though I can't deny he's had times where he's been a very effective pass rusher. I'm just saying, if trading up for Daniels were a possibility...
I would trade Thibideaux in 1 nanosecond if it meant we can secure Jayden Daniels.
I hope Saquon and DJ never play a down for the Giants again. I can’t for this era to be OVER. Dave Gettleman is a fucking bafoon and John Mara is an even bigger idiot for putting this franchise in this situation.
I hope Saquon and DJ never play a down for the Giants again. I can’t for this era to be OVER. Dave Gettleman is a fucking bafoon and John Mara is an even bigger idiot for putting this franchise in this situation.
they should not have signed either . The Jones/Barkley era should have ended last year. The rebuild begins when Jones/Barkley ends . They will be remembered like Horace Clarke is remembered. For futility .
But there isn't a doubt in my mind that the entire locker room felt this way the entire year. A massive pair of contract blunders by a galactically tone deaf Joe Schoen. He needs to pivot quickly to have any credibility going forward.
But there isn't a doubt in my mind that the entire locker room felt this way the entire year. A massive pair of contract blunders by a galactically tone deaf Joe Schoen. He needs to pivot quickly to have any credibility going forward.
Doubtful the entire team feels the same. Shown did the right thing at the time.
We'd be in much better shape right now. Barkley actually supplies value to the team (we can argue how much vs the $$), but certainly more than Jones. Plus the other team members really respect Barkley
I hope Saquon and DJ never play a down for the Giants again. I can’t for this era to be OVER. Dave Gettleman is a fucking bafoon and John Mara is an even bigger idiot for putting this franchise in this situation.
But he left a sizable contract on the table last year. Comparable to the Jones contract in the sense that it's a notch below the top contracts at the position but still 25-30% over the tag. Can't act like the team insulted him or made some huge mistake.
Barkley plays a part here.
RE: RE: He leaves out that the Giants offered Barkley a very good deal,
Barkley turned it down, gambled on himself, and lost and took a gigantic L this season.
But according to some here
Barkley got shafted
No, their own poor opinions were found to be flawed. So what these posters do is turn it around and say the player got shafted to insulate themselves from taking a bad position.
Barkley turned it down, gambled on himself, and lost and took a gigantic L this season.
We don’t know the terms of the deal so it’s hard to judge but things would’ve turned out way better for everyone (well, almost everyone) if SB signed the deal allowing us to tag DJ.
Saquon was offered a large contract during the season, before his production fell off a cliff.
Saquon and his agents turned it down....they gambled and lost.
KT is a 2nd year player that really shouldn't be commenting on veteran players' contracts. Something Tiki Barber learned the hard way from Michael Strahan years ago.
Barkley turned it down, gambled on himself, and lost and took a gigantic L this season.
We don’t know the terms of the deal so it’s hard to judge but things would’ve turned out way better for everyone (well, almost everyone) if SB signed the deal allowing us to tag DJ.
use a Quaalude. Getting worked up over a youngish player supporting a well respected vet player. In case you missed it, while Daniel Jones is the leader of the team, his right hand man and team vocal leader is Saquon Barkley. You cannot dismiss the lockerroom dynamic.
Barkley is about to be shown the door and it does not sit well with the players. (even if it is the correct thing to do)
And before you get to uppity, I want Jones replaced and Barkley to either stay on the "cheap" or be let go to test FA.
A locker room with good leadership probably doesn't have this come out at all.
Agree. Leadership has been a major problem with this team. It started with the 10 captain bullshit.
The season is over. The players have gone home and some are gone forever.
Do they have a virtual lockerrom so they can talk things over in the offseason? Or maybe - this is the lockerroom feeling? Just because it doesn't align with our sentiment doesn't make it derisive. Players are allowed to support each other and do not need our approval.
Jones should have been allowed to enter FA, and some other team would be stuck with him as their backup QB, yet Mara stepped into Schoen's office and demanded that Jones should be re-signed at an extortionate contract. The Giants are now paying an injury-prone, backup QB who has zero accuracy in his throwing abilities, and is recovering from a serious knee injury that will take away the one talent he actually has, running.
Now the Giants are sitting with the 6th pick in front of a QB heavy draft, yet thanks to Mara, they are committed to a faulty QB with zero talent.
Saquon Barkley has been a team player for his entire career, and he is still one of the best RB's in the entire NFL. I know all of the other BBI "experts" want to bash Saquon and say that the position of RB is being phased out of the NFL, but which ever team signs SB will enhance their offence by his presence, because he's still a significant weapon in the backfield.
Jones should have been allowed to enter FA, and some other team would be stuck with him as their backup QB, yet Mara stepped into Schoen's office and demanded that Jones should be re-signed at an extortionate contract. The Giants are now paying an injury-prone, backup QB who has zero accuracy in his throwing abilities, and is recovering from a serious knee injury that will take away the one talent he actually has, running.
Now the Giants are sitting with the 6th pick in front of a QB heavy draft, yet thanks to Mara, they are committed to a faulty QB with zero talent.
Saquon Barkley has been a team player for his entire career, and he is still one of the best RB's in the entire NFL. I know all of the other BBI "experts" want to bash Saquon and say that the position of RB is being phased out of the NFL, but which ever team signs SB will enhance their offence by his presence, because he's still a significant weapon in the backfield.
So you have firsthand knowledge that Mara went into Schoen’s office and made that demand?
Interesting….please share more
Zero accuracy….LOL😂😂😂
There are many valid criticisms of Jones….not being accurate is not one of them
"There are many valid criticisms of Jones….not being accurate is not one of them”
Stating that Jones has zero accuracy is obviously hyperbole but saying he is below avg in accuracy for an NFL QB seems pretty obvious and clear.
I wouldn’t say he below average at all
Until this past year….deep ball accuracy was pretty good….this year it was off
When his first read is there…accuracy is pretty good
Issue comes when his first read is taken away
Jones' accuracy is subpar. He has terrible touch, can't throw a fade to save his life, and he always botches throws with important leverage points (wrong side/wrong placement). This is why you never see Jones throw contested catch balls, he can't do it well. If we get Odunze it will be a wasted pick if Jones is the QB. The only reason Jones has decent completion numbers is he was the very bottom of the league in Y/A, and led the league two years running in throws behind the LOS (2021/2022). There is almost no case that Jones is an accurate QB and it is one of his many problems.
"There are many valid criticisms of Jones….not being accurate is not one of them”
Stating that Jones has zero accuracy is obviously hyperbole but saying he is below avg in accuracy for an NFL QB seems pretty obvious and clear.
I wouldn’t say he below average at all
Until this past year….deep ball accuracy was pretty good….this year it was off
When his first read is there…accuracy is pretty good
Issue comes when his first read is taken away
Jones' accuracy is subpar. He has terrible touch, can't throw a fade to save his life, and he always botches throws with important leverage points (wrong side/wrong placement). This is why you never see Jones throw contested catch balls, he can't do it well. If we get Odunze it will be a wasted pick if Jones is the QB. The only reason Jones has decent completion numbers is he was the very bottom of the league in Y/A, and led the league two years running in throws behind the LOS (2021/2022). There is almost no case that Jones is an accurate QB and it is one of his many problems.
"There are many valid criticisms of Jones….not being accurate is not one of them”
Stating that Jones has zero accuracy is obviously hyperbole but saying he is below avg in accuracy for an NFL QB seems pretty obvious and clear.
I wouldn’t say he below average at all
Until this past year….deep ball accuracy was pretty good….this year it was off
When his first read is there…accuracy is pretty good
Issue comes when his first read is taken away
Jones' accuracy is subpar. He has terrible touch, can't throw a fade to save his life, and he always botches throws with important leverage points (wrong side/wrong placement). This is why you never see Jones throw contested catch balls, he can't do it well. If we get Odunze it will be a wasted pick if Jones is the QB. The only reason Jones has decent completion numbers is he was the very bottom of the league in Y/A, and led the league two years running in throws behind the LOS (2021/2022). There is almost no case that Jones is an accurate QB and it is one of his many problems.
Yea ok
Maybe you can tell all of us how Barkley got shafted again or that you think of
John Mara when watching the games
A locker room with good leadership probably doesn't have this come out at all.
What if Thibs IS a locker room leader? He has a big personality and is probably the most famous guy on the defense.
Then the Giants are in trouble. Daniel Jones sucks and shouldn't even be on the roster, but what's the benefit of a team leader knocking the QB's contract?
And there's a second factor: Thibodeaux is wrong. Barkley shouldn't have been paid. He shouldn't be on the roster either; he isn't even worth the franchise tag he got.
God damn this Giants team has been unlikable dogshit for a long time now.
^^ right here is why players and coaches believe most fans are stupid.
Owners know that for a fact because no matter what they do or how bad the team is... fans keep coming back for more
This "Barkley runs soft" mantra is crap, he does not and all the players know it. He routinely runs over people. What is he supposed to do when their is no hole because our OL screws up, run into the butt of his OL, or maybe the gut of the DL Player? Like anyone else he tries to find a place to go. Somehow this is dancing to uninformed people. When the play calls for getting a few yards, like a 3rd and 2, he always puts his head down and pushes the pile. Its like someone said something in 2019, and people just keep regurgitating this crap. Guess what, when Derrick Henry has no blocking he got 12 yards a few games this season. He is the poster guy for tough yards. Its about the OL.
It's pick your poison with these two. Neither should have been paid, and neither should still be with this organization. Both are relics of a miserably failed front office who had no idea how to identify talent.
A locker room with good leadership probably doesn't have this come out at all.
What if Thibs IS a locker room leader? He has a big personality and is probably the most famous guy on the defense.
Then the Giants are in trouble. Daniel Jones sucks and shouldn't even be on the roster, but what's the benefit of a team leader knocking the QB's contract?
And there's a second factor: Thibodeaux is wrong. Barkley shouldn't have been paid. He shouldn't be on the roster either; he isn't even worth the franchise tag he got.
I agree that in the vast majority of cases players shouldn’t comment on their teammates contracts.
But I reacted to Thibs comments positively because of my Maranoia, that the ownership was so deluded about Jones that they need to hear him criticized by someone with credibility. The truth hurts sometimes.
what isn't being said? That's what you need to ask yourself. I think there is enough smoke to suspect the locker room isn't behind Jones and Mara influenced the signing. Is there evidence of these two things beyond a shadow of a doubt - no. Is there evidence beyond a reasonable doubt - for some it might be close. But this stinks. we might have a clueless owner, an unhappy locker room, and an inept QB. Joe Schoen has his work cut out for him if he is to prove he is anything but an empty suit.
It's pick your poison with these two. Neither should have been paid, and neither should still be with this organization. Both are relics of a miserably failed front office who had no idea how to identify talent.
You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
You might want to see his full quote....it looks like you may have jumped the gun with your conclusion:
“I believe in Daniel Jones. What I'm mad about is that Saquon – because if you look at the game, the tape, Saquon was responsible for at least 30 percent of our explosive plays, talking about the year [2022] we won the playoff game. Ryan Dunleavy Twitter - ( New Window )
I wonder who was responsible for the other 70% of the explosive plays.
Like 11 mil for one season is an affront to someone's ego. The Giants did offer SB a contract and he turned it down. The Golladay dead cap money played a role in all of this and if SB didn't have a cow..he would have been paid this offseason. I don't think SB will be on the team this year with all that has transpired.
But KT should stfu. That was wildly immature and places unneeded attention to this. He's entitled to his opinion but tell SB and leave it at that. I'm starting to wonder about this young man. He loves media attention.
Whether you think he is right or not is not important. He should know that you don't feed the media inflammatory stuff. He has some growing up to do.
It's amazing, I remember many on this board criticizing SB for not accepting a good offer, and how running backs value was in the dumps. Now, because KT, a player who should be concerned with improving his play, makes a comment, that appears to be a knock-on DJ, all of a sudden, the DJHC (Daniel Jones Hate Club) people, have suddenly become SB fans because they see this as an opportunity to continue their assault on DJ.
It's pick your poison with these two. Neither should have been paid, and neither should still be with this organization. Both are relics of a miserably failed front office who had no idea how to identify talent.
It's amazing, I remember many on this board criticizing SB for not accepting a good offer, and how running backs value was in the dumps. Now, because KT, a player who should be concerned with improving his play, makes a comment, that appears to be a knock-on DJ, all of a sudden, the DJHC (Daniel Jones Hate Club) people, have suddenly become SB fans because they see this as an opportunity to continue their assault on DJ.
Swing and a miss.
With all due respect, whether you agree with KT or not
he should have kept his trap shut and not said this publicly. This only causes more problems and turmoil on the team. This is the kind of shit that can also end up pressuring the team to make an emotional decision as opposed to a football/business decision.
RE: With all due respect, whether you agree with KT or not
he should have kept his trap shut and not said this publicly. This only causes more problems and turmoil on the team. This is the kind of shit that can also end up pressuring the team to make an emotional decision as opposed to a football/business decision.
Agree - no value, rationale, justification for venting it in a medium/way where anyone with a brain knows it goes public and creates unnecessary problems to deal with, regardless of ones interpretation.
Guess Kayvon also spoke highly on Bobby Okereke. How he's been a terrific leader and helped him grow (yeah).
But these athletes - does Kayvon realize if the Giants paid Barkley and had to tag Jones, the Giants wouldn't have been in position to sign Okereke? He's a top 3 player in my mind (Lawrence, Thomas then Okereke) and was a smash hit of a signing by Schoen. They were in a bad situation cap wise going into 2022 and had a lot of decisions to make. Tagging Jones $35M or whatever it was, was not idealistic.
The big question is, going forward, would Schoen be willing to admit his mistake giving Jones so much money and he's sustained another serious neck injury, to add a high draft choice to possibly become the long term answer at QB. That means no restructuring of Jones' contract this year. Leave it alone. But what will Schoen do? It is a big year for Daboll but it is for Joe as well.
It's amazing, I remember many on this board criticizing SB for not accepting a good offer, and how running backs value was in the dumps. Now, because KT, a player who should be concerned with improving his play, makes a comment, that appears to be a knock-on DJ, all of a sudden, the DJHC (Daniel Jones Hate Club) people, have suddenly become SB fans because they see this as an opportunity to continue their assault on DJ.
There is no Daniel Jones Hate Club. There are only fans who are tired of losing.
Guess Kayvon also spoke highly on Bobby Okereke. How he's been a terrific leader and helped him grow (yeah).
But these athletes - does Kayvon realize if the Giants paid Barkley and had to tag Jones, the Giants wouldn't have been in position to sign Okereke? He's a top 3 player in my mind (Lawrence, Thomas then Okereke) and was a smash hit of a signing by Schoen. They were in a bad situation cap wise going into 2022 and had a lot of decisions to make. Tagging Jones $35M or whatever it was, was not idealistic.
The big question is, going forward, would Schoen be willing to admit his mistake giving Jones so much money and he's sustained another serious neck injury, to add a high draft choice to possibly become the long term answer at QB. That means no restructuring of Jones' contract this year. Leave it alone. But what will Schoen do? It is a big year for Daboll but it is for Joe as well.
On the flip side, though, they wouldn't be forced to have Jones on the roster this upcoming season.
I love Okereke and I'm excited to see what happens next season with a good draft and FA pull. But, they could have won 6 games without him and then signed a big time FA LB this off season.
does Kayvon realize if the Giants paid Barkley and had to tag Jones, the Giants wouldn't have been in position to sign Okereke?
That's not entirely true. They could have not traded for Waller, for example, or not signed Parris Campbell (either of them ultimately had roughly the same 2023 cap number as Okereke), and/or treated Golladay as a June 1 release, which would have carried $6.8M on the books as dead money into this year, but that would still be less than DJ's cap hit in 2024. And that's without considering what Barkley's 2023 cap hit would have looked like on a multi-year deal with bonus amortization, vs. having him on the tag.
The way that the Giants handled it did result in additional flexibility, but they wasted a lot of that on Waller and Campbell, along with taking their medicine on Golladay all at once (rather than splitting it as a June 1 release) and keeping Barkley year-to-year.
A locker room with good leadership probably doesn't have this come out at all.
What if Thibs IS a locker room leader? He has a big personality and is probably the most famous guy on the defense.
Then he's setting a terrible example by putting his opinion above the concept of not creating bullshit in the media. Why is he talking about someone else's money? When is that ever a good idea? It's incredibly poor judgment.
RE: No one understands the cap. They's why the league pays high salaries
I'm Gen X, but at the cusp of boomer. I don't think it's a big deal. People have the right to say what they think and feel. Even big time athletes. Some people have the right to get upset, as we see here. I honestly don't care what KT says about what the Giants should or shouldn't do. But I think it provides a peek into the mood in the locker room.
I'm Gen X, but at the cusp of boomer. I don't think it's a big deal. People have the right to say what they think and feel. Even big time athletes. Some people have the right to get upset, as we see here. I honestly don't care what KT says about what the Giants should or shouldn't do. But I think it provides a peek into the mood in the locker room.
They obviously signed and had every intention to sign a WR to replace Wan'Dale as insurance. And it wasn't as if Campbell was overly expensive given his numbers last year and age. It didn't work out, it sucks, but lots of people on BBI were excited to see how Daboll and Kafka employs a kid with 4.3 speed.
Getting Waller and his contract was not seen as a negative whatsoever either. In fact prior to it being reworked, he was an easy cut in case they wanted to move on.
Point is, important signings like Okereke and re-signing Thomas and Lawrence also had significant timing due to Jones' cap hit being so much less.
We all know how attached the Giants brass is to Saquon. We’ve also seen them make stupid decisions based on these attachments and emotion. If the locker room is going to start ramping up on Barkleys behalf, I’m petrified that this could influence the teams decision on Barkley. My initial thoughts have been they would finally move on from him. But I’m not putting anything past this team when it comes to a popular player that is beloved in the locker room and by the owner.
I’m not a big Maranoia guy but if this regime is at all on the fence with Barkley, players speaking out publicly could absolutely influence the decision makers that have made too many decisions based on their heart instead of their heads
Why would you think that was a good idea, especially when the other guy is your QB and will certainly be here next year?
Don't turn into an idiot Thibs. You're not exactly lighting it up for an early draft pick either.
KT is an idiot too.
I hated the pick at the time, though I can't deny he's had times where he's been a very effective pass rusher. I'm just saying, if trading up for Daniels were a possibility...
Schoen and Daboll may have kissed on all the good will they had built up in year one by the way they approached the Saquon and Jones free agency last offseason.
Saquon and his agents turned it down....they gambled and lost.
KT is a 2nd year player that really shouldn't be commenting on veteran players' contracts. Something Tiki Barber learned the hard way from Michael Strahan years ago.
Meaningless Games.
Meaningless results.
Goody gets what Goody wants and what he has is a league that has hit rock bottom as far as quality goes.
His greatest concern is that the cattle fill the stadiums and the suite he is in doesn't run out of melted butter.
Lombardi got pounded for his "Disease of Me" comments, but it's unfolded exactly how he said it would. A mediocre team goes 9-7-1 and wins a playoff game and everyone wants to get paid. And the players know. You can't lie to the players.
Notice how many players have commented on Jones' contract?
That's just what I thought. Oh boy... incoming.
I hated the pick at the time, though I can't deny he's had times where he's been a very effective pass rusher. I'm just saying, if trading up for Daniels were a possibility...
This feels like the first thing he’s really said in the media that’s mucking up the works but I agree with you, I’d trade him if it meant getting a chance at one of the top QBs and I think Thibs will only get better under better coaching
I am a fan of both players and very disappointed it didn't work out, but yeah, I agree.
So much continued drama at all levels of the organization over a duo that hasn't even put up a double-digit win season.
This too will pass.
Nice work Thibodeaux.
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Lombardi got pounded for his "Disease of Me" comments, but it's unfolded exactly how he said it would. A mediocre team goes 9-7-1 and wins a playoff game and everyone wants to get paid. And the players know. You can't lie to the players.
Notice how many players have commented on Jones' contract?
Yup. I don’t even really have a problem with Kayvon saying it either. A lot of players there will feel the same especially after how this year went down. Who gives a shit if what is obvious is public?
Eloquent. Man, this cuts right to it. Glad you posted this. I really like KT, but it would sit differently when Dex says something like this. At least my old ass knows Dex isn't a glorified child.
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What did you hear in every game from the announcers? The other team was worried about containing/stopping Barkley.
Nobody every lost any sleep trying to figure out how to slow down Daniel Jones.
Meaningless Games.
Meaningless results.
Goody gets what Goody wants and what he has is a league that has hit rock bottom as far as quality goes.
His greatest concern is that the cattle fill the stadiums and the suite he is in doesn't run out of melted butter.
That just sounds stupid. Really, that is stupid. The Giants have nobody to blame but themselves. Thibs is a good player with an ego of a great player and a guy who thinks he "trends" greater off the field.
Barkley and his production is extremely overrated and over played. Its a tired comment. Thibs should remember you don't talk about other peoples money..
That’s not entirely true. Saqoun wanted more than what the Giants were willing to offer.
They tried to pay him what the Giants wanted to.
Yep. Stop chasing this failed experiment. It's not working. The record proves it.
I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.
Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.
Barkley WAS offered a contract, a collective deal that would have paid him extremely well. Last one was worth $22M guaranteed, if I recall and Saquon turned it down.
Thibodeaux is a young guy who needs to keep it private. Whether he believes what he says or not.
Just stop
You have no idea how the locker rooms feels and neither do I or anybody else
I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.
Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.
Trading the better player for saying something publicly, because of an organizational mistake and failure is exactly why the Giants are in the spot they are.
Feelings over results.
I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.
Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.
Thibs and #6 pick to CHI.
Is that enough, or do we need to add a 2nd rounder?
I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.
Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.
I'm sure it will great for the cohesiveness of this franchise if Mara pressures Schoen to trade the very first draft pick he made for his regime. Schoen gets super defensive about Evan Neal for god's sake.
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I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.
Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.
Thibs and #6 pick to CHI.
Is that enough, or do we need to add a 2nd rounder?
More. Thibs, #6 and a 2025 first. And I'd do it.
I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.
Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.
I think you are overreacting to this a bit
I’ll agree that KT should not have done this….stupid move on his part
At the same point and time….trading him over this?….seriously doubt that
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I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.
Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.
I think you are overreacting to this a bit
I’ll agree that KT should not have done this….stupid move on his part
At the same point and time….trading him over this?….seriously doubt that
Seriously just stop no chance trading kt over this.
Meaningless Games.
Meaningless results.
Goody gets what Goody wants and what he has is a league that has hit rock bottom as far as quality goes.
His greatest concern is that the cattle fill the stadiums and the suite he is in doesn't run out of melted butter.
Wild that you've made it to the afternoon without getting banned.
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I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.
Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.
I think you are overreacting to this a bit
I’ll agree that KT should not have done this….stupid move on his part
At the same point and time….trading him over this?…eriously doubt that
So you wouldn't trade KT (and picks) to move up to the number 1 spot in the draft?
It's noise. The Giants need to do one thing and one thing only: Win. Nothing else will matter, including this shit.
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Barkley wouldn't take it. It does take two. I was on the fence about it before but now I would be okay including LT in a trade up for the right QB.
That’s not entirely true. Saqoun wanted more than what the Giants were willing to offer.
They tried to pay him what the Giants wanted to.
So they should pay him what he wanted?
No RB got paid top $$ last offseason, and SB is likely to not get what the Giants offered him last year. RB's are perishable, with a very specific shelf life. Players and fans don't want to hear it, but RBs fall off a cliff after year 7 in the NFL.
Something SB is about to learn, and KT hasn't been around long enough to understand.
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I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.
Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.
Thibs and #6 pick to CHI.
Is that enough, or do we need to add a 2nd rounder?
More. Thibs, #6 and a 2025 first. And I'd do it.
Definitely.
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I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.
Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.
Trading the better player for saying something publicly, because of an organizational mistake and failure is exactly why the Giants are in the spot they are.
Feelings over results.
For a shot at the QB they want? Talking about trading up to 1 in the draft.
You might want to see his full quote....it looks like you may have jumped the gun with your conclusion:
“I believe in Daniel Jones. What I'm mad about is that Saquon – because if you look at the game, the tape, Saquon was responsible for at least 30 percent of our explosive plays, talking about the year [2022] we won the playoff game.
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Barkley wouldn't take it. It does take two. I was on the fence about it before but now I would be okay including LT in a trade up for the right QB.
That’s not entirely true. Saqoun wanted more than what the Giants were willing to offer.
They tried to pay him what the Giants wanted to.
So they should pay him what he wanted?
No RB got paid top $$ last offseason, and SB is likely to not get what the Giants offered him last year. RB's are perishable, with a very specific shelf life. Players and fans don't want to hear it, but RBs fall off a cliff after year 7 in the NFL.
Something SB is about to learn, and KT hasn't been around long enough to understand.
No they shouldn’t have, but Saqoun also didn’t have to just take it.
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I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.
Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.
I think you are overreacting to this a bit
I’ll agree that KT should not have done this….stupid move on his part
At the same point and time….trading him over this?…eriously doubt that
So you wouldn't trade KT (and picks) to move up to the number 1 spot in the draft?
Huh?
One literally has nothing to do with the other
You claimed that Mara could be so upset by this that he could trade him
That has literally nothing to do with including him in a package for the #1 pick
Total subject change
As aside note…let’s remember that Accorsi would not include Osi in the trade for Eli
Couple that with the product the NFL is putting out and it may make sense to look into other entertainment during the fall
Agreed. This shouldn’t have said this but, now that he did, it’s a good thing.
Which would be better? Saquon’s $30mm contract and tag for Jones or Jones for $160mm and a tag for Saquon.
KT is right.
+1. Keep it coming, Sean.
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I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.
Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.
I think you are overreacting to this a bit
I’ll agree that KT should not have done this….stupid move on his part
At the same point and time….trading him over this?…eriously doubt that
So you wouldn't trade KT (and picks) to move up to the number 1 spot in the draft?
Huh?
One literally has nothing to do with the other
You claimed that Mara could be so upset by this that he could trade him
That has literally nothing to do with including him in a package for the #1 pick
Total subject change
As aside note…let’s remember that Accorsi would not include Osi in the trade for Eli
Fair enough. What I meant to say was this could initiate a discussion between Schoen for a trade up to the No.1 spot.
Not just moving him for a bag of donuts and a hot pretzel.
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Barkley wouldn't take it. It does take two. I was on the fence about it before but now I would be okay including LT in a trade up for the right QB.
That’s not entirely true. Saqoun wanted more than what the Giants were willing to offer.
They tried to pay him what the Giants wanted to.
So they should pay him what he wanted?
No RB got paid top $$ last offseason, and SB is likely to not get what the Giants offered him last year. RB's are perishable, with a very specific shelf life. Players and fans don't want to hear it, but RBs fall off a cliff after year 7 in the NFL.
Something SB is about to learn, and KT hasn't been around long enough to understand.
No they shouldn’t have, but Saqoun also didn’t have to just take it.
Well, how did it work out for him not taking it?
Or just about every other FA RB this past offseason?
Will SB make up the money he turned down this coming offseason?
So, yeah, he should have taken it unless you see a path to him getting that money 1 year and 1 injury later.
about a topic that he probably should have stayed quiet about, you can take it to the bank that if he is saying something like this in public, then a lot of players on the team must have felt the same way.
And that doesn't exactly make for an ideal locker room which surely doesn't help the team win football games!
1) He is right.
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2) He is an idiot saying this publicly.
Let’s see how KT does with a new DC also. We’ll find out soon if he’s worth paying too.
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You might want to see his full quote....it looks like you may have jumped the gun with your conclusion:
“I believe in Daniel Jones. What I'm mad about is that Saquon – because if you look at the game, the tape, Saquon was responsible for at least 30 percent of our explosive plays, talking about the year [2022] we won the playoff game. Ryan Dunleavy Twitter - ( New Window )
nothing wrong with saying you believe in the guy but not enough to think he's better than the other guy.
Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.
You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.
You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I
We know players around the league have disparaged Jones and his deal. You don't think players on the Giants hear this or maybe think the same way? Why wouldn't they? They gave a poor player a mega contract and shafted the best offensive player on the team. Barkley is the Giants' talismanic player. And KT's comments are an indication of where the locker room is. You can't fool players.
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.
You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I
We know players around the league have disparaged Jones and his deal. You don't think players on the Giants hear this or maybe think the same way? Why wouldn't they? They gave a poor player a mega contract and shafted the best offensive player on the team. Barkley is the Giants' talismanic player. And KT's comments are an indication of where the locker room is. You can't fool players.
Maybe if you bothered to read the entire quote it isn’t as bad as it seems
And again….speculation is not fact Producer….you have no idea….none of us do
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.
You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I
We know players around the league have disparaged Jones and his deal. You don't think players on the Giants hear this or maybe think the same way? Why wouldn't they? They gave a poor player a mega contract and shafted the best offensive player on the team. Barkley is the Giants' talismanic player. And KT's comments are an indication of where the locker room is. You can't fool players.
And by the way…Barkley got shafted?….thats one hell of an imagination you have as the team approached him BEFORE Jones with an extension offer during the 22 season
That's interesting...
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.
You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I
We know players around the league have disparaged Jones and his deal. You don't think players on the Giants hear this or maybe think the same way? Why wouldn't they? They gave a poor player a mega contract and shafted the best offensive player on the team. Barkley is the Giants' talismanic player. And KT's comments are an indication of where the locker room is. You can't fool players.
Maybe if you bothered to read the entire quote it isn’t as bad as it seems
And again….speculation is not fact Producer….you have no idea….none of us do
“The dude did not want to throw the ball,” one 49ers defender told Silver, shaking his head. “Early on, you could tell it wasn’t gonna happen. Everything was a checkdown. At that point, we knew what time it was.”
Jones struggled early on in his NFL career and was susceptible to turnovers. The 49ers' defense was hungry for takeaways and came away with just one, a fourth-quarter interception tipped into the hands of safety Talanoa Hufanga.
“Hell yeah, we were trying to get that b---h,” linebacker Dre Greenlaw told Silver — referring to the football. “A lot of people who make all that money don’t even deserve it. I think they took a chance [when they paid him]. I mean, he’s not bad. And if you ain’t got nothing better …”
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And again….speculation is not fact Producer….you have no idea….none of us do
That's interesting...
Whst does that mean?
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.
You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I
We know players around the league have disparaged Jones and his deal. You don't think players on the Giants hear this or maybe think the same way? Why wouldn't they? They gave a poor player a mega contract and shafted the best offensive player on the team. Barkley is the Giants' talismanic player. And KT's comments are an indication of where the locker room is. You can't fool players.
Maybe if you bothered to read the entire quote it isn’t as bad as it seems
And again….speculation is not fact Producer….you have no idea….none of us do
“The dude did not want to throw the ball,” one 49ers defender told Silver, shaking his head. “Early on, you could tell it wasn’t gonna happen. Everything was a checkdown. At that point, we knew what time it was.”
Jones struggled early on in his NFL career and was susceptible to turnovers. The 49ers' defense was hungry for takeaways and came away with just one, a fourth-quarter interception tipped into the hands of safety Talanoa Hufanga.
“Hell yeah, we were trying to get that b---h,” linebacker Dre Greenlaw told Silver — referring to the football. “A lot of people who make all that money don’t even deserve it. I think they took a chance [when they paid him]. I mean, he’s not bad. And if you ain’t got nothing better …”
[urlhttps://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/daniel-jones-contract-blasted-49ers-defenders/1657309/[/url
And that has literally nothing to do with what goes on inside the GIANTS locker room
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And that has literally nothing to do with what goes on inside the GIANTS locker room
So players around the league trash Jones. And then KT says Barkley deserved to be paid first, not Jones, and you don't think there's a chance players in Giants locker room doesn't deserve the bag? Okay..
Stick up for SB and state your opinion but why bring up Jones contract.
@KimJonesSports
The locker room always knows…🏈
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And that has literally nothing to do with what goes on inside the GIANTS locker room
So players around the league trash Jones. And then KT says Barkley deserved to be paid first, not Jones, and you don't think there's a chance players in Giants locker room doesn't deserve the bag? Okay..
Read the entire quote
And again…for the 3rd time….nobody has any idea how the locker room feels
Tell me again how Barkley got shafted when he was offered an extension before Jones….that is a fact
Assumed narratives are just that
I hated the pick at the time, though I can't deny he's had times where he's been a very effective pass rusher. I'm just saying, if trading up for Daniels were a possibility...
I would trade Thibideaux in 1 nanosecond if it meant we can secure Jayden Daniels.
+100
Now this gets evidenced by a player in the locker room, and it's "you can't know what the locker room is thinking".
Weird.
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I hope Saquon and DJ never play a down for the Giants again. I can’t for this era to be OVER. Dave Gettleman is a fucking bafoon and John Mara is an even bigger idiot for putting this franchise in this situation.
X infinity
I corrected your math.
A locker room without good leadership would have quit down the stretch of the season.
But you do you
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A locker room with good leadership probably doesn't have this come out at all.
A locker room without good leadership would have quit down the stretch of the season.
But you do you
No they just quit after they had a field goal blocked on there first possession of the season.
KT needs to focus on getting better.
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A locker room with good leadership probably doesn't have this come out at all.
A locker room without good leadership would have quit down the stretch of the season.
But you do you
No they just quit after they had a field goal blocked on there first possession of the season.
Nice spin
Playing terribly isn’t quitting
After starting 2-8…..going 4-3 and playing hard doesn’t happen without leadership
But I’m sure you will spin it to something else
The sooner Jones is an ex Giant, the better. Its over.
Agreed.
Doubtful the entire team feels the same. Shown did the right thing at the time.
But according to some here
Barkley got shafted
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Barkley turned it down, gambled on himself, and lost and took a gigantic L this season.
But according to some here
Barkley got shafted
Yep, those people are morons.
This is true.
Jones should no longer be our quarterback but Barkley is no victim.
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I hope Saquon and DJ never play a down for the Giants again. I can’t for this era to be OVER. Dave Gettleman is a fucking bafoon and John Mara is an even bigger idiot for putting this franchise in this situation.
X infinity
I corrected your math.
Can't argue with that.
Couple that with the product the NFL is putting out and it may make sense to look into other entertainment during the fall
So you have one stupid player talking out of school and therefore we have "rot" on the team?
I agree with you 100% though on the NFL and the shit it has turned into. This is not the game of football that I grew up loving and playing.
Barkley plays a part here.
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Barkley turned it down, gambled on himself, and lost and took a gigantic L this season.
But according to some here
Barkley got shafted
No, their own poor opinions were found to be flawed. So what these posters do is turn it around and say the player got shafted to insulate themselves from taking a bad position.
The worse part about it is, you would think the Giants would have learned something, anything from drafting Toney and Baker. Nope….
The worse part about it is, you would think the Giants would have learned something, anything from drafting Toney and Baker. Nope….
Outside of saying something dumb today
Exactly what has he done to justify calling him a clown?
1) He is right.
&
2) He is an idiot saying this publicly.
+1
Saquon and his agents turned it down....they gambled and lost.
KT is a 2nd year player that really shouldn't be commenting on veteran players' contracts. Something Tiki Barber learned the hard way from Michael Strahan years ago.
Exactly this.
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Barkley turned it down, gambled on himself, and lost and took a gigantic L this season.
We don’t know the terms of the deal so it’s hard to judge but things would’ve turned out way better for everyone (well, almost everyone) if SB signed the deal allowing us to tag DJ.
We do know.
Barkley is about to be shown the door and it does not sit well with the players. (even if it is the correct thing to do)
And before you get to uppity, I want Jones replaced and Barkley to either stay on the "cheap" or be let go to test FA.
Agree. Leadership has been a major problem with this team. It started with the 10 captain bullshit.
What if Thibs IS a locker room leader? He has a big personality and is probably the most famous guy on the defense.
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A locker room with good leadership probably doesn't have this come out at all.
Agree. Leadership has been a major problem with this team. It started with the 10 captain bullshit.
The season is over. The players have gone home and some are gone forever.
Do they have a virtual lockerrom so they can talk things over in the offseason? Or maybe - this is the lockerroom feeling? Just because it doesn't align with our sentiment doesn't make it derisive. Players are allowed to support each other and do not need our approval.
Quaaludes again... - ( New Window )
This? LOL
1 yard loss
2 yard loss
20 yard gain followed by by more yards loss.
And forget short yardage situation. He sucks at it.
But Giants really should draft a qb and let Jones walk after next year if he doesn't bounce back with an exception year.
1 yard loss
2 yard loss
20 yard gain followed by by more yards loss.
And forget short yardage situation. He sucks at it.
But Giants really should draft a qb and let Jones walk after next year if he doesn't bounce back with an exception year.
I think that has to do a bit more with the line….dont ya think?
This? LOL
Or didn't check himself in and kept on using!
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use a Quaalude.
Quaaludes? There ain't no more quaaludes! Quaaludes again... - ( New Window )
Hey, I have my supply!
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Every game.
1 yard loss
2 yard loss
20 yard gain followed by by more yards loss.
And forget short yardage situation. He sucks at it.
But Giants really should draft a qb and let Jones walk after next year if he doesn't bounce back with an exception year.
I think that has to do a bit more with the line….dont ya think?
Sssssh. Don't spoil the narrative....
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Every game.
1 yard loss
2 yard loss
20 yard gain followed by by more yards loss.
And forget short yardage situation. He sucks at it.
But Giants really should draft a qb and let Jones walk after next year if he doesn't bounce back with an exception year.
I think that has to do a bit more with the line….dont ya think?
Nope. Barkley should on dancing with the Stars.
Reminds me too much of Ron no gain Dayne
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Every game.
1 yard loss
2 yard loss
20 yard gain followed by by more yards loss.
And forget short yardage situation. He sucks at it.
But Giants really should draft a qb and let Jones walk after next year if he doesn't bounce back with an exception year.
I think that has to do a bit more with the line….dont ya think?
Nope. Barkley should on dancing with the Stars.
Reminds me too much of Ron no gain Dayne
Ron Dayne 😂😂
Here’s a tip
Try watching the games a bit closer to understand what you are seeing
Wow
If only there was a traceable pattern.
Now the Giants are sitting with the 6th pick in front of a QB heavy draft, yet thanks to Mara, they are committed to a faulty QB with zero talent.
Saquon Barkley has been a team player for his entire career, and he is still one of the best RB's in the entire NFL. I know all of the other BBI "experts" want to bash Saquon and say that the position of RB is being phased out of the NFL, but which ever team signs SB will enhance their offence by his presence, because he's still a significant weapon in the backfield.
Now the Giants are sitting with the 6th pick in front of a QB heavy draft, yet thanks to Mara, they are committed to a faulty QB with zero talent.
Saquon Barkley has been a team player for his entire career, and he is still one of the best RB's in the entire NFL. I know all of the other BBI "experts" want to bash Saquon and say that the position of RB is being phased out of the NFL, but which ever team signs SB will enhance their offence by his presence, because he's still a significant weapon in the backfield.
So you have firsthand knowledge that Mara went into Schoen’s office and made that demand?
Interesting….please share more
Zero accuracy….LOL😂😂😂
There are many valid criticisms of Jones….not being accurate is not one of them
Thomas am I incorrect?
Nothing wrong with adding a little humor
Not meant to offend
If only there was a traceable pattern.
Plagiarizer.
;)
Stating that Jones has zero accuracy is obviously hyperbole but saying he is below avg in accuracy for an NFL QB seems pretty obvious and clear.
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Thomas am I incorrect?
Nothing wrong with adding a little humor
Not meant to offend
Of course not. You do you.
Stating that Jones has zero accuracy is obviously hyperbole but saying he is below avg in accuracy for an NFL QB seems pretty obvious and clear.
I wouldn’t say he below average at all
Until this past year….deep ball accuracy was pretty good….this year it was off
When his first read is there…accuracy is pretty good
Issue comes when his first read is taken away
Nope. Barkley should on dancing with the Stars.
Reminds me too much of Ron no gain Dayne
^^ right here is why players and coaches believe most fans are stupid.
Owners know that for a fact because no matter what they do or how bad the team is... fans keep coming back for more
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"There are many valid criticisms of Jones….not being accurate is not one of them”
Stating that Jones has zero accuracy is obviously hyperbole but saying he is below avg in accuracy for an NFL QB seems pretty obvious and clear.
I wouldn’t say he below average at all
Until this past year….deep ball accuracy was pretty good….this year it was off
When his first read is there…accuracy is pretty good
Issue comes when his first read is taken away
Jones' accuracy is subpar. He has terrible touch, can't throw a fade to save his life, and he always botches throws with important leverage points (wrong side/wrong placement). This is why you never see Jones throw contested catch balls, he can't do it well. If we get Odunze it will be a wasted pick if Jones is the QB. The only reason Jones has decent completion numbers is he was the very bottom of the league in Y/A, and led the league two years running in throws behind the LOS (2021/2022). There is almost no case that Jones is an accurate QB and it is one of his many problems.
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"There are many valid criticisms of Jones….not being accurate is not one of them”
Stating that Jones has zero accuracy is obviously hyperbole but saying he is below avg in accuracy for an NFL QB seems pretty obvious and clear.
I wouldn’t say he below average at all
Until this past year….deep ball accuracy was pretty good….this year it was off
When his first read is there…accuracy is pretty good
Issue comes when his first read is taken away
Jones' accuracy is subpar. He has terrible touch, can't throw a fade to save his life, and he always botches throws with important leverage points (wrong side/wrong placement). This is why you never see Jones throw contested catch balls, he can't do it well. If we get Odunze it will be a wasted pick if Jones is the QB. The only reason Jones has decent completion numbers is he was the very bottom of the league in Y/A, and led the league two years running in throws behind the LOS (2021/2022). There is almost no case that Jones is an accurate QB and it is one of his many problems.
Spot on. Absolutely correct.
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"There are many valid criticisms of Jones….not being accurate is not one of them”
Stating that Jones has zero accuracy is obviously hyperbole but saying he is below avg in accuracy for an NFL QB seems pretty obvious and clear.
I wouldn’t say he below average at all
Until this past year….deep ball accuracy was pretty good….this year it was off
When his first read is there…accuracy is pretty good
Issue comes when his first read is taken away
Jones' accuracy is subpar. He has terrible touch, can't throw a fade to save his life, and he always botches throws with important leverage points (wrong side/wrong placement). This is why you never see Jones throw contested catch balls, he can't do it well. If we get Odunze it will be a wasted pick if Jones is the QB. The only reason Jones has decent completion numbers is he was the very bottom of the league in Y/A, and led the league two years running in throws behind the LOS (2021/2022). There is almost no case that Jones is an accurate QB and it is one of his many problems.
Yea ok
Maybe you can tell all of us how Barkley got shafted again or that you think of
John Mara when watching the games
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Nope. Barkley should on dancing with the Stars.
Reminds me too much of Ron no gain Dayne
^^ right here is why players and coaches believe most fans are stupid.
Owners know that for a fact because no matter what they do or how bad the team is... fans keep coming back for more
They sure do! 🙄
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A locker room with good leadership probably doesn't have this come out at all.
What if Thibs IS a locker room leader? He has a big personality and is probably the most famous guy on the defense.
Then the Giants are in trouble. Daniel Jones sucks and shouldn't even be on the roster, but what's the benefit of a team leader knocking the QB's contract?
And there's a second factor: Thibodeaux is wrong. Barkley shouldn't have been paid. He shouldn't be on the roster either; he isn't even worth the franchise tag he got.
God damn this Giants team has been unlikable dogshit for a long time now.
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Nope. Barkley should on dancing with the Stars.
Reminds me too much of Ron no gain Dayne
^^ right here is why players and coaches believe most fans are stupid.
Owners know that for a fact because no matter what they do or how bad the team is... fans keep coming back for more
This "Barkley runs soft" mantra is crap, he does not and all the players know it. He routinely runs over people. What is he supposed to do when their is no hole because our OL screws up, run into the butt of his OL, or maybe the gut of the DL Player? Like anyone else he tries to find a place to go. Somehow this is dancing to uninformed people. When the play calls for getting a few yards, like a 3rd and 2, he always puts his head down and pushes the pile. Its like someone said something in 2019, and people just keep regurgitating this crap. Guess what, when Derrick Henry has no blocking he got 12 yards a few games this season. He is the poster guy for tough yards. Its about the OL.
Stating that Jones has zero accuracy is obviously hyperbole but saying he is below avg in accuracy for an NFL QB seems pretty obvious and clear.
Jones has consistently been near the bottom 25% of the league in YPA, which has inflated his accuracy%.
Once both are gone, the better it will be.
I wouldn’t say he below average at all
Until this past year….deep ball accuracy was pretty good….this year it was off
When his first read is there…accuracy is pretty good
Issue comes when his first read is taken away
If you're only accurate when everything goes according to script, you're not accurate.
I would add that you can be inaccurate and still complete passes in that scenario, but you won't get much YAC.
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A locker room with good leadership probably doesn't have this come out at all.
What if Thibs IS a locker room leader? He has a big personality and is probably the most famous guy on the defense.
Then the Giants are in trouble. Daniel Jones sucks and shouldn't even be on the roster, but what's the benefit of a team leader knocking the QB's contract?
And there's a second factor: Thibodeaux is wrong. Barkley shouldn't have been paid. He shouldn't be on the roster either; he isn't even worth the franchise tag he got.
I agree that in the vast majority of cases players shouldn’t comment on their teammates contracts.
But I reacted to Thibs comments positively because of my Maranoia, that the ownership was so deluded about Jones that they need to hear him criticized by someone with credibility. The truth hurts sometimes.
Once both are gone, the better it will be.
Mic drop!
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.
You might want to see his full quote....it looks like you may have jumped the gun with your conclusion:
“I believe in Daniel Jones. What I'm mad about is that Saquon – because if you look at the game, the tape, Saquon was responsible for at least 30 percent of our explosive plays, talking about the year [2022] we won the playoff game. Ryan Dunleavy Twitter - ( New Window )
I wonder who was responsible for the other 70% of the explosive plays.
Whether you think he is right or not is not important. He should know that you don't feed the media inflammatory stuff. He has some growing up to do.
Once both are gone, the better it will be.
Amen brother!
Swing and a miss.
Agree - no value, rationale, justification for venting it in a medium/way where anyone with a brain knows it goes public and creates unnecessary problems to deal with, regardless of ones interpretation.
But these athletes - does Kayvon realize if the Giants paid Barkley and had to tag Jones, the Giants wouldn't have been in position to sign Okereke? He's a top 3 player in my mind (Lawrence, Thomas then Okereke) and was a smash hit of a signing by Schoen. They were in a bad situation cap wise going into 2022 and had a lot of decisions to make. Tagging Jones $35M or whatever it was, was not idealistic.
The big question is, going forward, would Schoen be willing to admit his mistake giving Jones so much money and he's sustained another serious neck injury, to add a high draft choice to possibly become the long term answer at QB. That means no restructuring of Jones' contract this year. Leave it alone. But what will Schoen do? It is a big year for Daboll but it is for Joe as well.
There is no Daniel Jones Hate Club. There are only fans who are tired of losing.
But these athletes - does Kayvon realize if the Giants paid Barkley and had to tag Jones, the Giants wouldn't have been in position to sign Okereke? He's a top 3 player in my mind (Lawrence, Thomas then Okereke) and was a smash hit of a signing by Schoen. They were in a bad situation cap wise going into 2022 and had a lot of decisions to make. Tagging Jones $35M or whatever it was, was not idealistic.
The big question is, going forward, would Schoen be willing to admit his mistake giving Jones so much money and he's sustained another serious neck injury, to add a high draft choice to possibly become the long term answer at QB. That means no restructuring of Jones' contract this year. Leave it alone. But what will Schoen do? It is a big year for Daboll but it is for Joe as well.
I love Okereke and I'm excited to see what happens next season with a good draft and FA pull. But, they could have won 6 games without him and then signed a big time FA LB this off season.
That's not entirely true. They could have not traded for Waller, for example, or not signed Parris Campbell (either of them ultimately had roughly the same 2023 cap number as Okereke), and/or treated Golladay as a June 1 release, which would have carried $6.8M on the books as dead money into this year, but that would still be less than DJ's cap hit in 2024. And that's without considering what Barkley's 2023 cap hit would have looked like on a multi-year deal with bonus amortization, vs. having him on the tag.
The way that the Giants handled it did result in additional flexibility, but they wasted a lot of that on Waller and Campbell, along with taking their medicine on Golladay all at once (rather than splitting it as a June 1 release) and keeping Barkley year-to-year.
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A locker room with good leadership probably doesn't have this come out at all.
What if Thibs IS a locker room leader? He has a big personality and is probably the most famous guy on the defense.
Then he's setting a terrible example by putting his opinion above the concept of not creating bullshit in the media. Why is he talking about someone else's money? When is that ever a good idea? It's incredibly poor judgment.
I beg to differ. djm does.
According to him, the cap is a mirage and teams can spend like it's the Saudi PIF...
Gen Z gets that it's nbd.
Gen Z gets that it's nbd.
I'm Gen X, but at the cusp of boomer. I don't think it's a big deal. People have the right to say what they think and feel. Even big time athletes. Some people have the right to get upset, as we see here. I honestly don't care what KT says about what the Giants should or shouldn't do. But I think it provides a peek into the mood in the locker room.
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the boomers will flip.
Gen Z gets that it's nbd.
I'm Gen X, but at the cusp of boomer. I don't think it's a big deal. People have the right to say what they think and feel. Even big time athletes. Some people have the right to get upset, as we see here. I honestly don't care what KT says about what the Giants should or shouldn't do. But I think it provides a peek into the mood in the locker room.
I'm 50
Getting Waller and his contract was not seen as a negative whatsoever either. In fact prior to it being reworked, he was an easy cut in case they wanted to move on.
Point is, important signings like Okereke and re-signing Thomas and Lawrence also had significant timing due to Jones' cap hit being so much less.
I’m not a big Maranoia guy but if this regime is at all on the fence with Barkley, players speaking out publicly could absolutely influence the decision makers that have made too many decisions based on their heart instead of their heads