Worst one-sided officiating I’ve seen all season.
Knicks score 58 in the paint yet take 12 free throws.
Rockets take 33 free throws.
Wally and Hahn going off post-game.
Thibs the most livid I’ve seen him. Rick Brunson pissed.
Phantom bullshit call on Brunson on a 35-foot chuck with .3 left.
Just an unreal screw job tonight.
and that foul at the end of the game is absolutely ridiculous, thats the ref saying i am deciding the game, you can see to Holiday kicks his leg into Brunson and outs a forearm into Brunson to clear space...
Oh BTW the line moved from -4.5 Knicks to -1 Rockets...Rockets won by 2
Ballsy effort by the Knicks only to get boned by the refs.
He didnt say anything you can tell he was absolutely fuming, even said refs did a great job ssrcastically..
Furthest he went was if your going to call it tight or loose whatever just be consistent
and that foul at the end of the game is absolutely ridiculous, thats the ref saying i am deciding the game, you can see to Holiday kicks his leg into Brunson and outs a forearm into Brunson to clear space...
Oh BTW the line moved from -4.5 Knicks to -1 Rockets...Rockets won by 2
The MSG pregame show mentioned this as well. Guys were shocked that the Knicks were +1 after opening the day -5.5. Smelled like a rat from the start and when I saw Malloy and his crooked Philly ties doing the game it was obvious how this would play out. There’s no doubt there should be an investigation on this crew.
and Malloy told him the Rockets play good defense so thats why the free throw disparity, meanwhile the Rockets are one of the worst teams in the league in the amount of fouls they commit
Ed Malloy: "After seeing it during postgame review, the offensive player was able to return to a normal playing position on the floor. The contact which occurred after the release of the ball therefore is incidental & marginal to the shot attempt & should not have been called."
Normally officials do a thing with 1 reporter, especially when there is a controvrsial call
The shot almost went in - he had to contest it.
Ed Malloy: "After seeing it during postgame review, the offensive player was able to return to a normal playing position on the floor. The contact which occurred after the release of the ball therefore is incidental & marginal to the shot attempt & should not have been called."
Great… Admission means nothing. The score isn’t changing and these crooks made their money.
So dont play defense then? he played perfect defense, junping to the side of Holiday and allowing him to land..
I’m guessing you didn’t watch the game. I’m not sure about the “rigged” thing but you have to admit the line moving from -4.5 for the Knicks to -1 for Houston just 5 minutes before tip, followed by that travesty of an officiating game should at least raise some eyebrows, no?
I have never thought the nba was rigged but last night felt like a fixed game, line moved from -4.5 Knicks to -1 Rockets, 33-12 free theow disparity and tie game they call a foul on a heave from half court and the rockets cover on that call...
The refs officiated that game like they needed the rockets to win
How fast did the 5 point swing occur? Over the course of an hour, few hours? the day?
The swing altogether is interesting to say the least, great insight
Were we supposed to see into the future and avoid watching last nights game? What you’re saying is ludicrous. You didn’t watch the game so you should probably just sit this one out
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Is pretty suspicious. I can understand fluctuations but not an almost 5 point swing like 5 minutes before the game starts and for no real reason either. It's not like some major injury in warmups or something. Pretty eyebrow raising for sure.
How fast did the 5 point swing occur? Over the course of an hour, few hours? the day?
The swing altogether is interesting to say the least, great insight
Within a half hour of tip. It was late money thay came in.
The MSG pre-game, who have a partnership with a gambling show, were talking about the line right before tip. Their notes said -5.5 Knicks but the screen showed +1, so Alan Hahn said "Is that correct? There must be late line movement for Houston."
Last night was a travesty. I wasn't even upset that they allowed physical play. I was trying to stay unbiased, knowing the Knicks play a physical style of D, like the Rockets. But, the shoulder Brunson took from Dillon Brooks (actually, I think it was two, but one got caught clearly by the telecast) and the inconsistancy in calls really swung the pendulum in Houston's favor.
Then, Breen points out how Malloy is from that same crook area in PA that Joe Crawford, Scott Foster and Tim Donaghey are from and all signs pointed to a major consipracy.
Then, Breen points out how Malloy is from that same crook area in PA that Joe Crawford, Scott Foster and Tim Donaghey are from and all signs pointed to a major consipracy.
I watched the game, but missed Breen saying that. Interesting. And I'm not a gambler, but the line moving that drastically right before tip off for no good reason seems very fishy.
The league should look into Malloy and any other questionable ref.
He also officisted the first game against the celtics where Tatum clearly fouls brunson but instead calls a flop on Brunson and then makes anotber bs call on the other end and changed the entire outcome of that game and they had to come out afterwards and say they got it wrong..
So either he is an incompetent official or he is on the take
Ed Malloy: "After seeing it during postgame review, the offensive player was able to return to a normal playing position on the floor. The contact which occurred after the release of the ball therefore is incidental & marginal to the shot attempt & should not have been called."
Great. Thanks for the mea culpa and costing us the game.
He also officisted the first game against the celtics where Tatum clearly fouls brunson but instead calls a flop on Brunson and then makes anotber bs call on the other end and changed the entire outcome of that game and they had to come out afterwards and say they got it wrong..
come on - that's the same guy? Jesus. That was one of the worst calls I've ever seen. Brunson clearly landed on his foot - which is essentially an automatic foul on the defense these days.
I get that but 33-12 free throw disparity is not bad at your job, its blatant..
that call last night is not bad at your job, ita deciding the game when no one would of said anything if he didnt make a call, not a single person on either team, not a single fan..but instead the ref decided to take the game in his hands..
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He also officisted the first game against the celtics where Tatum clearly fouls brunson but instead calls a flop on Brunson and then makes anotber bs call on the other end and changed the entire outcome of that game and they had to come out afterwards and say they got it wrong..
come on - that's the same guy? Jesus. That was one of the worst calls I've ever seen. Brunson clearly landed on his foot - which is essentially an automatic foul on the defense these days.
yup same guy
And I've read he's from the same corrupt little PA town as Tim Donaghy and a bunch of other refs.
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Then, Breen points out how Malloy is from that same crook area in PA that Joe Crawford, Scott Foster and Tim Donaghey are from and all signs pointed to a major consipracy.
I watched the game, but missed Breen saying that. Interesting. And I'm not a gambler, but the line moving that drastically right before tip off for no good reason seems very fishy.
The league should look into Malloy and any other questionable ref.
It wasn't as pronounced as I phrased it. He said Malloy went to Cardinal O'Hara in Philadelphia, the same high school as Joe Crawford.
If you know Tim Donoghy, you know he went to that same high school and is a hot bed for officials. He also claimed that the officials from that area were corrupt, like him, although it was never substantiated.
With the line moving the way it did, the free throw disparity, the last second call and not to mention the team it happened to, this sint just going to go away..
You got media calling out the NBA, you got Ben Stiller on twitter ripping the NBA and the worst part you got people saying the game was rigged jncludong media people who keep mentioning the Line..
This shit isnt just going to blow over, especially when you got a ref who js from the same town as Donaghy and who has a history kf questionable calls
I still struggle with the conspiracy angle because it is very difficult for the refs alone to manage an outcome to that extent. How do you keep a game that close without some terrible calls that just make no sense. I didn’t watch the game, but it sounds like the FT disparity may have been part of it. But on the last shot, it sounds like Brunson made some incidental contact. The refs can’t make that happen. If they called a foul when he wasn’t touched? Now I am on board.
We have seen an NBA ref manage games for gambling purposes before so I will not say it can’t or didn’t happen. But if I were the NBA commissioner I would be doing a lot of behind the scenes work to make sure there is not a potential scandal going on here given that late line movement and the “Sorry I made a call that directly changed the outcome of the game” the next day.
This is a fanbase that made Candace Parker tweet for the first time in over 6 months, this fanbase is not going to let it just go..
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was anything sinister going on. But I think a lot of these guys are just flat out bad at their jobs, the game moves to fast for some of them to make calls in real time, and the replay system is a joke.
I get that but 33-12 free throw disparity is not bad at your job, its blatant..
that call last night is not bad at your job, ita deciding the game when no one would of said anything if he didnt make a call, not a single person on either team, not a single fan..but instead the ref decided to take the game in his hands..
Not only that but the Knicks live in the paint. That's why they're second in the league in free throws. Houston commits more fouls than almost any other team and the Knicks are amongst the lowest in the league. With that context, it's absolutely asinine that the refs would so blatantly call the game the way that they did. With legalized gambling, this problem isn't going away for the NBA.
If you think ita going to blow over you dont understand Knicks twitter
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Adam Silver is not going to do anything to help the Knicks. He hates Dolan! As blatant as his was and the calls were terrible all game, it will blow over, as it always does. It just takes all the enjoyment out of an NBA game. It was funny that they said the line moved due to Segun playing. Segun is good, but not that good.
If you think ita going to blow over you dont understand Knicks twitter
I understand Knicks twitter, I follow many of the posters, but this will blow over!
Tell me what do you think is going to happen? Knicks twitter is going to force the NBA to redo the final 8 seconds? They are going to actually uncover a gambling conspiracy? This will blow over by tomorrow's game when Orlando beats us for a 3rd time and we are frustrated by Thibs' playing Alec Burks 45 mins when Divo misses the game.
Is anything goingnto happen to this guy? probably not but the NBA will never stop hearing about it
…or maybe he learned after calling the offensive foul on DDV’s 3 at the end of the 1st half
Or how about no calls on Chicago in the Charles Smith Game 5 of ‘93 ECF???
Just rest them, get a nice break with the all star break and come back ready to go, Orlando will be on a back to back..
Team has to start thinking like an elite team that is built for playoffs
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The only thing that could help is Ed Malloy admitted they messed up and the NBA in the last 2 minute report admitted to messing it up..
Reversing the outcome would mean that both teams would head into overtime, though. So it would mean the Knicks would have to fly down to Houston on a day off and play the Rockets.
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to reverse the outcome, this would be it. I don’t expect it to happen though, hasn’t happened since Stern was the commissioner.
Reversing the outcome would mean that both teams would head into overtime, though. So it would mean the Knicks would have to fly down to Houston on a day off and play the Rockets.
Last time it happened in 07 they replayed the final minute of a game
Just comp us a second round pick and be over with it. Haha
I don’t understand why it would open up Pandora’s box. How many times is there a blown call where there aren’t any other variables because it’s a tie game at the end of regulation? I don’t think they’ll overturn it because Adam Silver doesn’t have any guts but if there was ever a situation where it was warranted this would be it.
A Judgement call that was admitted by the ekague and official that was wrong and directly effected the end of the game, this isnt a call with 30 seconds left, it is a call with no time left that directly changed the outcome of the game
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As much as we all know that call was BS, the league isn’t going to go to that extreme on what was a judgement call. That would open Pandora’s box
A Judgement call that was admitted by the ekague and official that was wrong and directly effected the end of the game, this isnt a call with 30 seconds left, it is a call with no time left that directly changed the outcome of the game
Haha, ok. Let me know when you find out the Knicks are traveling to Houston to finish the game…
The idea of replaying the game is stupid. Howeveer the league publicly putting Malloy in pergatory (no more knicks games, bare minimum playoff games) should certainly be considered.
On the good side the Magic lost and the Bucks are getting pounded
The official scorer was employed by the Hawks, who were fined $50K.
The previous successful protest before that one was back in 1982. Lakers were in the "deliberate miss" situation: Laker player (Norm Nixon) about to attempt his second free throw, down two with a couple of seconds left in regulation.
Nixon faked shooting and held onto the ball, bringing players from both teams into the lane. Ref called a double lane violation and a jump ball. Ball went to Nixon and he hit a basket to tie game.
Spurs successfully protested on grounds the double violation/jump ball ruling was wrong per rule book because Nixon never shot the free throw attempt.
Neither successful protest involved a judgment call, not much hope for NYK.
The official scorer was employed by the Hawks, who were fined $50K.
The previous successful protest before that one was back in 1982. Lakers were in the "deliberate miss" situation: Laker player (Norm Nixon) about to attempt his second free throw, down two with a couple of seconds left in regulation.
Nixon faked shooting and held onto the ball, bringing players from both teams into the lane. Ref called a double lane violation and a jump ball. Ball went to Nixon and he hit a basket to tie game.
Spurs successfully protested on grounds the double violation/jump ball ruling was wrong per rule book because Nixon never shot the free throw attempt.
Neither successful protest involved a judgment call, not much hope for NYK.
I was going to ask about this. Thank you. They can't start overturning results on judgment calls, unless they want to make a new rule limiting it to this exact scenario.
Yeah the system needs to be revamped. They need to maybe adopt the NFL rule- 2 challenges and if you win both you get a 3rd.
He'd lose a 1-on-0 game against himself
He’s been dealing with a knee injury most of the season and he was playing through it. That should be commended, not held against him
He said with randle its harder to report because Randle is pushing to come back after the all star break. He said he has to be clesred obviously but Randle is a maniac
Here is the problem, when he plays henis playing 37 or 38 minutes a night and on some of those crazy nights hr is going to play 43..
He needs tk be managed like Kawhi was in toronto..Around 30 minutes, if you need a night he takes it..
If you have Embiid and Brunson your a title contender seeding should not matter as much
They may have no choice.
He said with randle its harder to report because Randle is pushing to come back after the all star break. He said he has to be clesred obviously but Randle is a maniac
He’s right on both
meanwhile on twitter, Berman is making snarky comments about OG's injury and Isola is feuding with Robert Randolph. And Bondy just sucks.
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He was on with Macri and said he doesnt expect OG to be out much longer after the 3 weeks from surgery. He exoects him to return not long after he resumes on court activities..
He said with randle its harder to report because Randle is pushing to come back after the all star break. He said he has to be clesred obviously but Randle is a maniac
He’s right on both
I could see OG come back march 8th, that would be 8 more games, they play march 5th and then have 2 days off..
9 days of rest after tonight, much needed
Regardless, I don't know why Taj is still in the NBA and IDK why we have to continue playing shorthanded. Sign some guys to 10-day deals.
Of course these things depend on what you give up, but I’d gamble that if they could have him healthy for a run at the title Embid would give them a solid shot at winning a championship.
Regardless, I don't know why Taj is still in the NBA and IDK why we have to continue playing shorthanded. Sign some guys to 10-day deals.
There are two reasons. With the CBA the Knicks don't have the minimum amount of players. There's a 14 day grace period to get to 14. They should sign 2 stiffs by 2/22 to get to the number possibly 3 and be done with Taj. The other issue is they are being frugal so they don't cross the second apron. If the player isn't a rookie or considered a rookie they have to pay more actually the very minimum is double.
Actually a third issue is no very wants to come to the Knicks because they won't get minutes. They can go to other contenders and get minutes
Regardless, I don't know why Taj is still in the NBA and IDK why we have to continue playing shorthanded. Sign some guys to 10-day deals.
I'm saying this as a Uconn fan - I think Bouknight is one of the worst Knicks culture fits I can imagine. Tons of talent but Thibs would choke him like Bobby Knight within a week. Don't know much about Hayes aside from the fact that I don't think he's really good at much of anything.
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I mean would it be the worst thing to sign Killian Hayes or James Bouknight?
Regardless, I don't know why Taj is still in the NBA and IDK why we have to continue playing shorthanded. Sign some guys to 10-day deals.
There are two reasons. With the CBA the Knicks don't have the minimum amount of players. There's a 14 day grace period to get to 14. They should sign 2 stiffs by 2/22 to get to the number possibly 3 and be done with Taj. The other issue is they are being frugal so they don't cross the second apron. If the player isn't a rookie or considered a rookie they have to pay more actually the very minimum is double.
Actually a third issue is no very wants to come to the Knicks because they won't get minutes. They can go to other contenders and get minutes
Fair points, Larry, but they would definitely get minutes here...at least for the time being before everyone gets healthy.
Not only that but the Knicks need help in the frontcourt for now and there aren't many (if any) good vets available who could contribute to begin with.
Yeah, but it's a 10-day contract. Maybe one of those players can impress. In the meantime, our lineup may look similar to what it looked like last week if Bojan and DDV don't play:
Jalen Brunson
Alec Burks
Josh Hart
Precious Achiuwa
Jericho Sims
Deuce McBride
Taj Gibson
The two two-way players
- Eastern Conference exec on Donovan Mitchell
- Eastern Conference exec on Donovan Mitchell
They've been really good this year, especially as of late but they're in such a weird spot roster-wise. They'd be better of in the near term trading Garland and getting a player or two that fit better with Mitchell but how can you do that if you don't know if Mitchell will walk in a year? Will be an interesting summer for them, that's for sure.
Suggs, Fultz and Harris out for Orlando
For now. We’ll see who injures themselves tonight and go from there…
Yup, first game back from all star though it starts to get better:
Brunson, DDV, Hart, Precious, Ihart, Mcbride, Burks, Bojan, Sims..
Then the big boys come back and we reasy to rock again
Also, no shit about Mitchell. It is clear he wants to be a Knick. Does that happen? TBD.
Embiid is a special talent, but he misses too much time. I'd pass.
Because the Knicks Center has no positional awareness, dude backs up so much on pick and rolls he ends up under the basket while the ball handler can just go right to the rim..
I cant wait to get healthy and not have to watxh dumb basketball players like Sims and Mcbride
The way he’s playing I bet he gets minutes. He’s the best option as. Ask up to Randle nit to mention getting some time at Center if Mitchell comes back but limited.
I would have been in there but I pulled a hammy walking into the arena to sign my 10 day contract before the game. Sorry about that
cavs go up 1 and dont look back after that
cavs go up 1 and dont look back after that
The clip. There has to be some sort of suspension here
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40 seconds left, 3 seconds on the shot clock, Mitchell and caruso are hand fighting, Mitchell pushes Caruso to clear space, caruso reaches out to stay with him, Mitchell pushea him again, whistle foul on Caruso...1 shot tech because the ball wasnt inbounded..
cavs go up 1 and dont look back after that
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Easily a play on, especially in the context of where they are at in the game..
An interesting factoid he is from Miami dade, was a cop, Heat are 7-0 in games he officiates..Knicks have their worst PPG in games he officiates
Just saw the ending. I keep hearing that the Bucks will figure it out by the playoffs. The opportunity is there for the 3 seed. Just need some health
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Nice bonus for the Knicks heading into the break. Dame is looking old - trading a haul for him and pairing him with Brunson would’ve destroyed everything.
Just saw the ending. I keep hearing that the Bucks will figure it out by the playoffs. The opportunity is there for the 3 seed. Just need some health
Bucks have a plan, they just signed Danilo Gallinari, he is going tk be their 3 and d wing they need
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Nice bonus for the Knicks heading into the break. Dame is looking old - trading a haul for him and pairing him with Brunson would’ve destroyed everything.
Just saw the ending. I keep hearing that the Bucks will figure it out by the playoffs. The opportunity is there for the 3 seed. Just need some health
Bucks have a plan, they just signed Danilo Gallinari, he is going tk be their 3 and d wing they need
Gallinari? lol. I highly doubt he’s going to move the needle much at this point
Cavs still dont have that elite defender on the wing who can stop guys like Tatum, Brown, Brunson, Maxxey, Haliburton. They also even with the addition of Strus and Niang they dont have the spacing throughout their starting lineup..
Bucks habe no elite defenders and Lillard is starting to look old, unless he is pacing himself, i wonder how he holds up when he has to go against a physical team that pushes him around..
Sixers need Embiid back and Maxxey is going to habe a lot of eyes on him in the playoffs, see how he handles it..
Pacers are young and play absolutely zero defense, i could see them being humbled quick in the playoffs by being pushed around, kind of like the cavs last year..
Orlando they play good defense but will it translate to the playoffs and who is going to be that 2nd scorer when Banchero is taken out of the game, they remind me of the Knicks when it was just Randle and role players..
Maybe they decide the end of the game (ot) only gets played if it’s determined the outcome would have playoff implications
haha. What's he supposed to say to defend the Nets and their fans?
"Oh, it was awesome how the other team took over our home court. That's what every player hopes for!"
But we heard the Nets were going to take over the city…
I've always thought the Nets screwed up by calling themselves the Brooklyn Nets, instead of NY. They could still play in Brooklyn and call themselves NY. I think it would've been better for their marketing and probably would've helped lure some fair weather and younger fans, back when the Knicks sucked.
As NY Nets they would have the Dr. J era Nets history to market; as Brooklyn not so much. And why limit your fan base to one borough? Of course people outside the borough could still become fans, but I think it was more likely if they called themselves NY.
There's a reason Wellington insisted on the Giants always being called the NY Giants when they moved to NJ. To take it to an extreme, can you imagine if they called them the East Rutherford Giants?
Or what if the Mets were the Queens Mets? Bad decision.
Excellent. Let that situation deteriorate till they dislike him enough and then bring Bridges across the bridge.
We'll do you like Jalen Brunson? Cause that trade helped free up the space to make an offer to him.
Gun to head...Nuggets Bucks NBA Finals. Joker vs. the Greek Freak.
Gun to head...Nuggets Bucks NBA Finals. Joker vs. the Greek Freak.
Meh. Unless Giannis finds a few guys who can actually guard someone of the dribble the Bucks are headed for an early playoff exit.