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section125 : 2/15/2024 8:44 am
Good morning all. Last season really put a damper on enthusiasm, hasn't it? No threads on ST or Yankees baseball. Even the addition of Juan Soto isn't enough to bring out the "faithful".

With pitchers and catchers reporting, I thought someone would have started a thread. With all this lack of talk, I suppose, most of you are not really expecting much this year. I know I am a bit disappointed with the offseason. Seems like pitching will be Gerrit Cole and some others. BP has a few arms and at least the team seems to find effective pitchers out of the pen.
As much as I love Nestor, I think adding that 3 or 4 mph really stresses his arm and he has trouble staying in the rotation. Schmidt was actually improving through the year and seems to be a reliable 4 or 5. Rodon, meh. Stroman - I liked him a few years back, but is he anything more than a 3 or 4 at this point? Anybody else you want to see from the Minors that could make the lineup?

Anyway, let's get the ball rolling on where we see them going this year. Have to believe Baltimore is still top of AL East with the Blue Jays not far behind.
I am still not psyched about this team  
superspynyg : 2/15/2024 8:55 am : link
Adding Soto is nice but he could be gone in a year. Rest our lineup has to show major improvement this year. Judge is Judge but can’t do it alone.

Our rotation is sketchy after Cole. Adding Snell or Monty would be nice.
RE: I am still not psyched about this team  
section125 : 2/15/2024 8:57 am : link
In comment 16399521 superspynyg said:
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Adding Soto is nice but he could be gone in a year. Rest our lineup has to show major improvement this year. Judge is Judge but can’t do it alone.

Our rotation is sketchy after Cole. Adding Snell or Monty would be nice.


Exactly the way I feel. Would have loved to have signed Snell.
May not have been following closely  
terz22 : 2/15/2024 9:01 am : link
But was there a known attempt at trying to sign Soto long term? Definitely get this feeling that he won't be here for the long haul. Hope I'm wrong.
RE: May not have been following closely  
BigBlueShock : 2/15/2024 9:06 am : link
In comment 16399526 terz22 said:
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But was there a known attempt at trying to sign Soto long term? Definitely get this feeling that he won't be here for the long haul. Hope I'm wrong.

Scott Boras is his agent. He’s hitting free agency
Huge variable is  
M.S. : 2/15/2024 9:08 am : link

whether or not their 2nd year shortstop can cut down on his Ks and put the ball in play more often. I'll definitely take fewer taters if he would just stop all the upper cuts and square the bat on the ball more often. He could become a fantastic catalyst with higher OBP.
RE: RE: May not have been following closely  
terz22 : 2/15/2024 9:09 am : link
In comment 16399531 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 16399526 terz22 said:


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But was there a known attempt at trying to sign Soto long term? Definitely get this feeling that he won't be here for the long haul. Hope I'm wrong.


Scott Boras is his agent. He’s hitting free agency


Ah certainly makes sense.
RE: RE: May not have been following closely  
section125 : 2/15/2024 9:09 am : link
In comment 16399531 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 16399526 terz22 said:


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But was there a known attempt at trying to sign Soto long term? Definitely get this feeling that he won't be here for the long haul. Hope I'm wrong.


Scott Boras is his agent. He’s hitting free agency


Or he will wait until late in the season or shortly thereafter. But I believe the word was he would not entertain extensions this year.
84-88 wins is my prediction  
Jints in Carolina : 2/15/2024 9:19 am : link
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So boys....more of the same?  
rnargi : 2/15/2024 9:27 am : link
Mashers against the St. Mary's School for the Blind also rans and 18Ks with two hits against anyone of note, or have they turned into contenders?

I have my doubts.
Bunch of debbie downers. Let me add the light here......  
Kmed6000 : 2/15/2024 9:33 am : link
They just added arguably a top 10 bat in baseball to go with arguably the best bat in baseball. The rotation isn't sexy, but they gave Rodon a lot of money last year for a reason. He battled injuries and never looked comfortable, but the 2 years prior to NY, he was a stud. If he can regain form, thats a hell of a 1-2 punch with last years cy young winner.

Nester is in a similar situation, I can see a bounce back year for him and Stroman is a very solid middle of the rotation starter.

The Yankees have young guys that can improve too in Volpe, wells and dominguez. I get that yankee fans are used to being the favorite all the time, but I wouldn't sleep on them.
without Soto, and with a ton of things going wrong for them  
Greg from LI : 2/15/2024 9:45 am : link
They won 82 last year. I have my gripes about the offseason but they should be a 90+ win team. They will have one of the very best OBP guys in baseball hitting in front of the most destructive hitter in baseball.
RE: Bunch of debbie downers. Let me add the light here......  
NJLCO : 2/15/2024 9:49 am : link
In comment 16399566 Kmed6000 said:
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They just added arguably a top 10 bat in baseball to go with arguably the best bat in baseball. The rotation isn't sexy, but they gave Rodon a lot of money last year for a reason. He battled injuries and never looked comfortable, but the 2 years prior to NY, he was a stud. If he can regain form, thats a hell of a 1-2 punch with last years cy young winner.

Nester is in a similar situation, I can see a bounce back year for him and Stroman is a very solid middle of the rotation starter.

The Yankees have young guys that can improve too in Volpe, wells and dominguez. I get that yankee fans are used to being the favorite all the time, but I wouldn't sleep on them.


I’ll second this. Development of the young is critical, can’t have Volpe batting in the low 2’s. DJ and Riz have to have at least an average year. Boone also needs to step up his game and figure out what is going to make this time play hard and win. Will he push the right buttons?
I'm in wait-and-see mode -  
Del Shofner : 2/15/2024 9:53 am : link
for me, question marks at C, 3B, LF, in terms of either or both of offensive or defensive production. Not crazy about Judge having to play a full season in CF either. As to pitching, same questions as others have posted above.
One day in and already  
Beer Man : 2/15/2024 9:56 am : link
2 injuries to report (Effross and Trevino). Team is picking up right where they left off.
RE: I'm in wait-and-see mode -  
section125 : 2/15/2024 9:59 am : link
In comment 16399586 Del Shofner said:
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for me, question marks at C, 3B, LF, in terms of either or both of offensive or defensive production. Not crazy about Judge having to play a full season in CF either. As to pitching, same questions as others have posted above.


I am not to worried about catcher. Trevino should be back and I thought Wells played well. Yes production won't be great at the plate, but there are just not many above average batting catchers.

I just do not have a big concern with Judge in CF.

Funny, but when was the last time the Yanks had a VG LF? I suppose Verdugo will be there.
RE: without Soto, and with a ton of things going wrong for them  
Danny Kanell : 2/15/2024 10:38 am : link
In comment 16399578 Greg from LI said:
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They won 82 last year. I have my gripes about the offseason but they should be a 90+ win team. They will have one of the very best OBP guys in baseball hitting in front of the most destructive hitter in baseball.


This is kinda where I land.
RE: RE: without Soto, and with a ton of things going wrong for them  
BleedBlue : 2/15/2024 10:48 am : link
In comment 16399630 Danny Kanell said:
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They won 82 last year. I have my gripes about the offseason but they should be a 90+ win team. They will have one of the very best OBP guys in baseball hitting in front of the most destructive hitter in baseball.



This is kinda where I land.


Yes, I am in the same boat. Soto is a perfect fit for us. Low K rate, high walk rate. That was a much needed addition to the core of the lineup and he is still young. Id have ZERO problem giving him 500m+ this offseason and personally, I think the yankees feel the same way.

As for pitching, we needed a starter. My only gripe was burnes, i think that was a missed opportunity by cashman...even though it would be a rental(potential to sign), it would have been a good move and re-evaluate him and soto in offseason. They made an offer to snell which he turned down (foolishly) and is now unsigned. I fully expect the yanks to circle back on this once snells requests has come back down to earth. He isnt a length guy so it adds some bullpen tax, but he is a very solid pitcher and with some strong run support, he can win a ton of games. Still think he can be a yankee here and that should do wonders for rotation. As others have mentioned, if Rodon returns to form and we get something out of nestor, the staff will be fine but lot of IFs there so adding snell is nice insurance. A rotation of
cole
snell
rodon(returned to form)
cortes
stroman

well... thats pretty nasty.

Def some question marks on the young guys but overall I dont think this team is in bad shape. as mentioned, last year was a disaster(bad breaks, injuries, etc) and they still won 82 games.

Excited for opening day!
RE: One day in and already  
LTIsTheGreatest : 2/15/2024 11:07 am : link
In comment 16399590 Beer Man said:
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2 injuries to report (Effross and Trevino). Team is picking up right where they left off.


Orioles-Kyle Bradish has ucl sprain, John Means is a month behind in his recovery and Gunnar Henderson has oblique soreness.

Puts into perspective that the Yankees had pretty good health coming into camp if Effross and Trevino are really the only ones with injuries

Happens to other teams too
Blake Snell  
GruningsOnTheHill : 2/15/2024 11:19 am : link
I really hope they sign this guy, and I keep reading that the pundits are predicting he will end up with the Yankees, even though payroll will swell to $325MM. They need another starter, and he’s the NL Cy Young winner. I don’t care about payroll, of course: it’s not my money.
Odd thing  
rich in DC : 2/15/2024 11:50 am : link
When the saber projections cam out, the numbers are saying that the Yanks should win the division. They might be right.

Take an honest assessment of the off-season. No AL East team improved their offense more than the Yanks. Soto alone is 5+ WAR easy.

Volpe may have had a poor year- but that happened to him when he got drafted too. He spent the off-season re-working everything and turned in a monster season. That was reportedly his off-season plan- if he's done it once, he can do it again.

A new hitting coach who is focused on pole-to-pole hitting rather than launch angle helps the whole offense.

Rizzo reportedly is recovered from the concussion that was missed. People forget that he was a .300 hitter with his power returned when he suffered the concussion. The bad stats came when he tried to push through it for 2 months. He might not hit .300 again, but he will be vastly improved (let's say .260 with 30 HR) if he avoids another concussion.

The SP should be better with Stroman's addition. I find it humorous that so many are convinced that Rodon is terrible. He had a bad season- but it stemmed from a forearm injury in ST. I doubt he was ever fully healthy last season, but he pitched because he needed to. Same with Cortes. People are acting like he's never been a SP- he was a SP all through the minors and for the past three years- he might not have reached more than 160 IP in a year- but then again, teams are moving away from that model.

This is a contender people. A real WS contender.
Why get excited? Nothing has REALLY changed.  
Red Dog : 2/15/2024 11:59 am : link
This team is going nowhere fast as long as Levine, Cashman, and Boone are running things.

Cashman is squandering resources faster than a jackrabbit running for its life from a wildcat.

His team composition leaves a lot to be desired. When you are depending on player after player, particularly older guys, to bounce back from injuries and sub-standard seasons, and picking up player after player who has failed to cut the mustard elsewhere, and going without sufficient back-up at important positions, you are simply asking for trouble.

Plus all the anal-ytics in the world don't mean shit if you don't draw the correct conclusions, which the Highlanders obviously aren't.

Boone is a poor field manager, particularly when it comes to handling his bull pen. He does a great job of standing up for his players, but his annual destruction of his bull pen far outweighs that.

Levine is complicit in the failures because he won't stand up for what needs to be done - firing Cashman and Boone.

So, I expect another 3rd or 4th place finish and no playoffs again this season.

Soto career OBP with men in scoring position  
wigs in nyc : 2/15/2024 12:00 pm : link
.452

CAREER.

Career OPS over 1.0 against righties. CAREER.

The Yankees will have two Judge-caliber offensive machines going 2 - 3.

He plays everyday.

Let's enjoy this year and then go from there.
Am cautiously optomistic  
Crazed Dogs : 2/15/2024 12:24 pm : link
A lot will depend on Rondon and Nester coming back and having solid years. Can DJ play like he did in the 2nd half of last yr. Can a slimmed down Stanton get some bat speed back? Does Peraza contribute significantly? Does Cabrera bounce back? Do they get the Rizzo that played in the first half of last yr? Can Holmes be a solid closer for the entire year? Yes the team has a lot of questions however, the addition of Soto & Verdugo fill a need of lefty bats in the lineup. They have added some under the radar depth in the bullpen. Stroman was a solid add at a good price. Whether it be at the trade deadline or before the start of the season I think they add starting pitcher. I do not want them to overpay in a trade of F/A to get a pitcher and want them to hold onto Jones . Yanks do have some guys in the minors who may be able to contribute both at the plate and on the mound. I like what I read about Rice, Warren & Hampton among others.
RE: Soto career OBP with men in scoring position  
section125 : 2/15/2024 12:28 pm : link
In comment 16399707 wigs in nyc said:
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.452

CAREER.

Career OPS over 1.0 against righties. CAREER.

The Yankees will have two Judge-caliber offensive machines going 2 - 3.

He plays everyday.

Let's enjoy this year and then go from there.


Looking forward to see Soto and Judge together. Hoping that Stanton's weight loss has helped him get his muscles loosened.

Yes, when healthy Rodon is really a goo pitcher. Supposedly he lost weight also.

And yes, the return of Rizzo to playing is a huge upgrade. I'd bet his absence cost them 6 or 7 wins minimum.
A lot rides on  
Tony in Tampa : 2/15/2024 12:46 pm : link
The SP staying heathy. And that means a lot rides on a healthy Rodon being a real #2 in the rotation. It can't be Cole and a rotating MASH unit.

Yes my enthusiasm is down and a lot may need to be reconstructed before this team can be a real contender that get past the Stros. But I'll watch as always.
Lots of questions  
averagejoe : 2/15/2024 1:10 pm : link
Is Holmes a dependable closer ? Will Judge play more than 120 games ? Can DJ Rizzo and Stanton still produce ? Loiasiga and Cortes ? If things break right this team can contend. If not, could be a long season .
so many worried about "he might be gone a year from now"  
djm : 2/15/2024 2:59 pm : link
first off, enjoy today and worry about tomorrow when it gets here. Fans are so worried all the time about years down the line when the now could be so enjoyable. Second, when's the last time the Yanks lost someone to FA that they wanted to keep? It rarely happens and pretty never happens with star players.

And again, that is next year. Enjoy the moment. Or at least try.

Yanks would have won 90+ if Judge isn't out for nearly half the season. They will win 95-100 if both Soto and Judge play 80% of the season. Last year was weird. Fans that hate Cashman and Boone will insist that the chicken finally came home to roost but that's bologna. They were simply besieged with an absurd number of injuries to their best players. It won't happen again.
Nothing has really changed?  
djm : 2/15/2024 3:01 pm : link
yea, ok.Except for the part about adding a decent hitting left fielder and a HOF in the making slugger and a solid 2-3 starting pitcher and 2-3 youngsters being a year older and having Judge and Rizzo back playing again.

Other than about 6-7- huge differences from last season, nothing has changed.
looking over the roster, I had forgotten that Stanton  
Del Shofner : 2/15/2024 3:52 pm : link
batted .191 last season. I guess I blocked that out. Yeesh.

Hopefully something will be different with him this year, but you know what they say about doing things over and over and expecting different results.

That said, good points are made above on the optimistic side.
This offseason started out with so much promise. I'm excited for Soto  
Strahan91 : 2/15/2024 4:13 pm : link
in pinstripes but I can't help but think they need(ed) one more move to really put us over the top. I doubt it'll happen but if they could get Snell on a shorter term deal, I'd feel much better about our chances. If not, hopefully there's a deal to be made at the deadline for a frontline starter. The O's getting Burnes for scraps was really a gut punch. On paper they're the best team in the division imo.
RE: looking over the roster, I had forgotten that Stanton  
GFAN52 : 2/15/2024 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16399942 Del Shofner said:
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batted .191 last season. I guess I blocked that out. Yeesh.

Hopefully something will be different with him this year, but you know what they say about doing things over and over and expecting different results.

That said, good points are made above on the optimistic side.


It's almost a guarantee that Stanton will end up on the injury at some point this season. Even if he get's off to a good start injuries will derail his season as always.
RE: looking over the roster, I had forgotten that Stanton  
Semipro Lineman : 2/15/2024 5:10 pm : link
In comment 16399942 Del Shofner said:
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batted .191 last season. I guess I blocked that out. Yeesh.

Hopefully something will be different with him this year, but you know what they say about doing things over and over and expecting different results.


I don't agree that the Yankees are doing the same thing over again because they have been clearly reducing his role and importance over the last two seasons. A few seasons ago, Staton was the main Judge protection in the lineup. Then the team brought in Rizzo for that role. Now they have added Soto. I mean at this point, it doesn't matter if the injury results are the same since there is a more diverse offense around Judge
Same bunch of whiny bitch Yankee fans whining and bitching  
bwitz : 2/15/2024 6:40 pm : link
Sad and pathetic.
RE: Odd thing  
bwitz : 2/15/2024 7:03 pm : link
In comment 16399699 rich in DC said:
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When the saber projections cam out, the numbers are saying that the Yanks should win the division. They might be right.

Take an honest assessment of the off-season. No AL East team improved their offense more than the Yanks. Soto alone is 5+ WAR easy.

Volpe may have had a poor year- but that happened to him when he got drafted too. He spent the off-season re-working everything and turned in a monster season. That was reportedly his off-season plan- if he's done it once, he can do it again.

A new hitting coach who is focused on pole-to-pole hitting rather than launch angle helps the whole offense.

Rizzo reportedly is recovered from the concussion that was missed. People forget that he was a .300 hitter with his power returned when he suffered the concussion. The bad stats came when he tried to push through it for 2 months. He might not hit .300 again, but he will be vastly improved (let's say .260 with 30 HR) if he avoids another concussion.

The SP should be better with Stroman's addition. I find it humorous that so many are convinced that Rodon is terrible. He had a bad season- but it stemmed from a forearm injury in ST. I doubt he was ever fully healthy last season, but he pitched because he needed to. Same with Cortes. People are acting like he's never been a SP- he was a SP all through the minors and for the past three years- he might not have reached more than 160 IP in a year- but then again, teams are moving away from that model.

This is a contender people. A real WS contender.


Thank you Rich, for being the of the few informed, smart Yankee fans on this board.
NY Post article on Yanks'  
Del Shofner : 2/15/2024 7:10 pm : link
player development, FWIW.
Link - ( New Window )
Rizzo is 34 years old, 35 in August  
shyster : 2/15/2024 8:03 pm : link
He hasn't hit as high as .260 with as many as 30 HRs since his age 27-28 season, 2017. The Cubs traded him away three years ago, in 2021, for not a lot in return.

Rizzo, DJL and Stanton are all a year older at an age where getting a year older is not a good thing in the history of baseball.

And they may be three of the top five Yank hitters on Opening Day, if Torres gets shuffled down to sixth.

The true hope for this team is in the youth: that Volpe, Dominguez, Wells and Jones pan out, in substantial part if not entirety.

Back in December there was some discussion about how high the Yanks really were on Jones. I mentioned that Damon Oppenheimer had just raved about him and doubted they would trade him. That turned out to be true. They wouldn't put him in the deal for Corbin Burnes.

Hope that belief is justified.
RE: Same bunch of whiny bitch Yankee fans whining and bitching  
section125 : 2/16/2024 6:32 am : link
In comment 16400027 bwitz said:
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Sad and pathetic.


Noticed that you posted all your insights on how this will be a good year....oh wait, you didn't. Got nothing to offer - STFU.

Jusr let those two have their own discussion, and you wonder why  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/16/2024 8:29 am : link
nobody wants to talk Yankees around here. Heck, tell them to go back to the Mets threads.
Judge and Soto  
NJLCO : 2/16/2024 9:48 am : link
It’s going to be interesting on how these 2 play off of each other. My hope is that they can complement each other on both sides of the ball. Only time can tell but they could be special together.
Judge said on Sean Casey’s podcast that he wants to hit  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/16/2024 10:06 am : link
3rd. Boone loves his lefty righty switch, so maybe DJ-Soto-Judge-Rizzo to start.
RE: Judge said on Sean Casey’s podcast that he wants to hit  
Del Shofner : 2/16/2024 11:44 am : link
In comment 16400412 Jim in Hoboken said:
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3rd. Boone loves his lefty righty switch, so maybe DJ-Soto-Judge-Rizzo to start.


I'm not sold on DJ as a leadoff hitter any more - too slow. If Volpe can increase his OBP, I'd like to see him there.
RE: RE: Judge said on Sean Casey’s podcast that he wants to hit  
rich in DC : 2/16/2024 1:59 pm : link
In comment 16400542 Del Shofner said:
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3rd. Boone loves his lefty righty switch, so maybe DJ-Soto-Judge-Rizzo to start.



I'm not sold on DJ as a leadoff hitter any more - too slow. If Volpe can increase his OBP, I'd like to see him there.


Maybe down the road, but not until Volpe can consistently show high OBP. I think the goal is to make Volpe leadoff long term, but until he shows that his focus has shifted to OBP not HR.
We should field a very good team  
Mike from SI : 2/16/2024 2:15 pm : link
and the Orioles already caught a terrible injury. I'm excited to watch Soto play and for Volpe and Wells hopefully to develop. This team could win the WS or struggle to make a Wild Card, but I'd be pretty shocked if they don't make the playoffs.

Long term, this is going to be the most competitive division in baseball. The O's have a ridiculously good young team with a new owner, and the Red Sox will have a new owner soon enough.

I'm more concerned about the Yankees' viability in the next 5+ years with Hal getting outspent and outsmarted by our division rivals.
Hal has to realize you have to spend to make money, to stay on top.  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/17/2024 6:47 am : link
Also, he should start questioning if the money is being spent wisely, sooner rather than later.

There are reports that Edward Cabrera could be moved. After Peraza gets 2 hits this spring, Cashman should be packing for Torres. I don’t know if they intend on signing Soto, Cashman did refer to Soto’s contract as potentially an one year situation, but that’s however many gazillion there. You have Peraza, Durbin, Serna, Arias coming up the middle now and soon. Why are you still holding onto Torres and looking to sign a pitcher? Sure, I’d take Snell for 6/150 too, but that’d lead to a payroll upwards of 350M.

I guess there is a chance that they are really going all in this year, then letting Torres and Soto walk. Judge and Cole deserve a real chance at a ring.
Very promising update on Rodon  
rich in DC : 2/17/2024 9:17 am : link
Key take away from the article- Rodon’s velo is WAY up from last year, back at his 2021 and 2022 levels. This appears to be confirmation that he was never healthy last year with the forearm muscle issues.
The Athletic article on Rodon - ( New Window )
Cortes article  
rich in DC : 2/17/2024 9:48 am : link
This Post article appears to be implying that the root of Cortes’ shoulder issues were that his throwing should was not strong enough- as in the muscles were not built up or strong enough to withstand pitching.

While the writer didn’t get into depth, the article at least implies if not states that the Yanks used both analytics (review of the correct arm angle to throw from) and physio therapy (strengthening specific muscle groups to support the whole arm). Interesting stuff.

Will it help him hold up? We’ll see- but the fact that he isn’t scared to let it go anymore might be a hint.
Cortes shoulder health - ( New Window )
RE: Hal has to realize you have to spend to make money, to stay on top.  
rich in DC : 2/17/2024 10:10 am : link
In comment 16401193 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Also, he should start questioning if the money is being spent wisely, sooner rather than later.

There are reports that Edward Cabrera could be moved. After Peraza gets 2 hits this spring, Cashman should be packing for Torres. I don’t know if they intend on signing Soto, Cashman did refer to Soto’s contract as potentially an one year situation, but that’s however many gazillion there. You have Peraza, Durbin, Serna, Arias coming up the middle now and soon. Why are you still holding onto Torres and looking to sign a pitcher? Sure, I’d take Snell for 6/150 too, but that’d lead to a payroll upwards of 350M.

I guess there is a chance that they are really going all in this year, then letting Torres and Soto walk. Judge and Cole deserve a real chance at a ring.


I think that what Cashman actually said was misreported.

What he actually said is that the Yanks are unlikely to EXTEND Torres or Soto during the season. That really is not a story- Soto is a Boras client and Boras strongly encourages star players to go to FA to get the best deal possible.

I have my own personal doubts that Torres will be re-signed, so his value is at its peak right now because if he is traded before the start of the season, the team acquiring him can give him a tender offer and get a draft pick when he signs elsewhere. If traded in-season, they cannot make a tender offer.

I agree with moving Torres now- sure that’s a lot of proven ABs out of the lineup- but all indications are that he will be batting no higher than 5th in the lineup and maybe not even that high. Perhaps the Yanks can get a nice back of the rotation SP or a couple decent prospects for him.

IMO, the Yanks need to start transitioning to a younger more athletic team- Torres is a nice hitter, but is frustrating on defense and offers little athletically.
Interesting notes in this article  
rich in DC : 2/17/2024 10:21 am : link
The article confirms the Athletic article I posted earlier about the spike in Rodon’s velo.

Lots of quotes and feedback from Cole- who is VERY high on Stroman. He did reference Stroman’s ground ball tendencies. I wonder if the Yanks don’t trade Torres whether he will sit when Stroman pitches to get better INF defense out there (like Peraza).

One item I didn’t see reported elsewhere is that the article makes the claim that Jordan Hicks almost signed with the Yanks before he went to SF. Interesting, but I would not have been happy with that signing even as a reliever- walks a LOT of batters.

The Gil write-up is also encouraging. Having 3 effective pitches instead of being yet another FB/slider guy bound for the pen is good news, if it holds up in game action.

Lots to discuss from the articles today. Let’s see if we can have more discussion than a Mets thread for once.
More on Yanks pitching - ( New Window )
Great stuff Rich in DC  
tony stg : 2/17/2024 3:52 pm : link
Thanks for the links.

Not much gonna happen in Tampa this weekend. Been raining since before 10 am this morning and will last through all day tomorrow.
It  
mitch300 : 2/17/2024 3:54 pm : link
Will be interesting what they do with Torres. I believe he was the best hitter post ASB for the Yankees last season. A lot of fans including me are frustrated with his brain farts on the field. However, if you want to trade him, you need to make sure some can replace his offense. I also expect Rondon to have a good season. He was behind the eight ball all season after starting the season on the IL.you know he rushed himself back to soon wanting to contribute to the team after signing that contract.
I'm wait-and-see on the starting pitching too but  
Del Shofner : 2/17/2024 7:20 pm : link
would be great to have a solid five. Solves so much else.
Moving Torres  
section125 : 2/18/2024 7:49 am : link
is likely a VG idea. I like Torres, but he drives you up a wall with his baserunning blunders and his inopportune fielding errors - it is like he goes brain dead momentarily.

Getting Peraza on the field would be good, perhaps moving Volpe to 2nd base. But the drop off in hitting from Torres to Peraza is big and at the moment lack of hitting is what really kills the Yankees.

I liked Stroman as a FA in 2018/19(?) and hoped the Yanks would get him then.
New Yankee offer to Blake Snell?  
GFAN52 : 2/18/2024 10:20 am : link
Writing for USA Today, Bob Nightengale reported that the Yankees have now made a short-term offer for Snell, hoping the reigning NL Cy Young Award winner will agree to it or come down on his asking price after he balked at their first offer a few weeks ago.

“The New York Yankees, who offered free-agent starter Blake Snell a five-year, $150 million contract before turning to Marcus Stroman last month, still have serious interest in him,” according to Nightengale. “They are waiting to see if his asking price drops on a long-term deal or if he agrees to take a short-term contract that could pay him in excess of $35 million a year.”
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RE: New Yankee offer to Blake Snell?  
section125 : 2/18/2024 10:37 am : link
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Writing for USA Today, Bob Nightengale reported that the Yankees have now made a short-term offer for Snell, hoping the reigning NL Cy Young Award winner will agree to it or come down on his asking price after he balked at their first offer a few weeks ago.

“The New York Yankees, who offered free-agent starter Blake Snell a five-year, $150 million contract before turning to Marcus Stroman last month, still have serious interest in him,” according to Nightengale. “They are waiting to see if his asking price drops on a long-term deal or if he agrees to take a short-term contract that could pay him in excess of $35 million a year.” Link - ( New Window )


That would make me smile...I like Snell. 5 year deal would get him to 36 y/o?
Keep making offers.
also happy to hear this news  
wigs in nyc : 2/18/2024 11:03 am : link
it shows they know they shouldnt be done in the rotation, at the very least
on a closer read  
wigs in nyc : 2/18/2024 12:49 pm : link
this isn’t actually confirming an offer. This is just sort of a ‘there could be something that makes sense for both sides there’ - so, no news.
RE: on a closer read  
BigBlueShock : 2/18/2024 12:55 pm : link
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this isn’t actually confirming an offer. This is just sort of a ‘there could be something that makes sense for both sides there’ - so, no news.

The point is it’s saying the Yankees still have interest. That is big because all we’ve heard to this point is they moved on to Stroman and were out completely on Snell
I’ve always felt Snell  
bceagle05 : 2/18/2024 1:14 pm : link
would drop in our lap at some point this offseason on a short-term deal. Hope it works out.
RE: Very promising update on Rodon  
HomerJones45 : 2/18/2024 1:15 pm : link
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Key take away from the article- Rodon’s velo is WAY up from last year, back at his 2021 and 2022 levels. This appears to be confirmation that he was never healthy last year with the forearm muscle issues. The Athletic article on Rodon - ( New Window )
Whatever. The Yankee beat reporters are more of a house organ than the Giant's beat reporters, if such a thing were possible. Let's see what he does come the season.
RE: I’ve always felt Snell  
HomerJones45 : 2/18/2024 1:19 pm : link
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would drop in our lap at some point this offseason on a short-term deal. Hope it works out.
His asking price needs to come way down. He is trying to cash in on best season in 5 years. In the previous 4 years, he never topped 128 innings or 8 wins. There's a reason he is sitting on the market with ST starting.
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mitch300 : 2/18/2024 1:36 pm : link
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would drop in our lap at some point this offseason on a short-term deal. Hope it works out.

His asking price needs to come way down. He is trying to cash in on best season in 5 years. In the previous 4 years, he never topped 128 innings or 8 wins. There's a reason he is sitting on the market with ST starting.

This. The last thing the Yankees need is another injury prone player.
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GFAN52 : 2/18/2024 1:50 pm : link
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would drop in our lap at some point this offseason on a short-term deal. Hope it works out.

His asking price needs to come way down. He is trying to cash in on best season in 5 years. In the previous 4 years, he never topped 128 innings or 8 wins. There's a reason he is sitting on the market with ST starting.


This. The last thing the Yankees need is another injury prone player.


Snell on the Yankees' terms makes sense if you're going all in.
RE: RE: May not have been following closely  
JoeSchoens11 : 2/18/2024 4:58 pm : link
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But was there a known attempt at trying to sign Soto long term? Definitely get this feeling that he won't be here for the long haul. Hope I'm wrong.


Scott Boras is his agent. He’s hitting free agency
While probably true, it seems risky from Sota’s pov. An injury or off-year could cost him hundreds of millions of dollars. Getting to be a FA may get him tens of millions or possibly nothing extra at all.

Boras’s concern for his own rep may get in the way of his clients’ best interest when you’re talking about the money they are putting at risk.
RE: RE: Very promising update on Rodon  
rich in DC : 2/18/2024 7:29 pm : link
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Key take away from the article- Rodon’s velo is WAY up from last year, back at his 2021 and 2022 levels. This appears to be confirmation that he was never healthy last year with the forearm muscle issues. The Athletic article on Rodon - ( New Window )

Whatever. The Yankee beat reporters are more of a house organ than the Giant's beat reporters, if such a thing were possible. Let's see what he does come the season.


Obviously you never read the article- considering it was The Athletic and not Yankee beat writers. You are nothing if not consistent- bad hot takes all year long.
Chris Kirschner/The Athletic  
shyster : 2/18/2024 8:55 pm : link
Chris Kirschner is a staff writer for The Athletic covering the New York Yankees. He previously covered the Atlanta Hawks from 2018-2022 for The Athletic.
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This might be a good news or future disappointment story  
rich in DC : 2/19/2024 9:36 am : link
Nick Burdi obviously has high end pedigree- was a former 2nd round pick but has had TWO TJ surgeries AND a thorasic outlet syndrome surgery- but is showing high end stuff in camp. Obviously, relying on a guy with his injury history after last year would be tough. However, if he takes that last bullpen spot and can complete a comeback like Ian Hamilton last year, that would be nice.

With that said, the guy is a walking MASH unit and I’m not getting my hopes up. Still, if they can get 40 quality (and not average) IP out of the guy, I’d be pleasantly surprised.


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would drop in our lap at some point this offseason on a short-term deal. Hope it works out.

His asking price needs to come way down. He is trying to cash in on best season in 5 years. In the previous 4 years, he never topped 128 innings or 8 wins. There's a reason he is sitting on the market with ST starting.


This. The last thing the Yankees need is another injury prone player.



Snell on the Yankees' terms makes sense if you're going all in.


I disagree. In fact, I believe Snell would be a disaster in NY.

The guy throws a LOT of pitches, yet never gets out of the 5th- and sometimes doesn’t even finish the 5th. He walks a LOT of guys, which is a playoff nightmare. To top it off, he’s obviously more interested in a big payday than where he lands, which to me is a HUGE red flag- to me that implies that he’s in it for the payday and has no competitive drive- which is a MUST in NY.
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BigBlueShock : 2/19/2024 10:44 am : link
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would drop in our lap at some point this offseason on a short-term deal. Hope it works out.

His asking price needs to come way down. He is trying to cash in on best season in 5 years. In the previous 4 years, he never topped 128 innings or 8 wins. There's a reason he is sitting on the market with ST starting.


This. The last thing the Yankees need is another injury prone player.



Snell on the Yankees' terms makes sense if you're going all in.



I disagree. In fact, I believe Snell would be a disaster in NY.

The guy throws a LOT of pitches, yet never gets out of the 5th- and sometimes doesn’t even finish the 5th. He walks a LOT of guys, which is a playoff nightmare. To top it off, he’s obviously more interested in a big payday than where he lands, which to me is a HUGE red flag- to me that implies that he’s in it for the payday and has no competitive drive- which is a MUST in NY.

Snell pitched 180 innings last season and struck out 234. This idea that he’s a 5 inning pitcher is based on his time with the Rays and had more to do with the Rays thinking they are the smartest team in the history of the sport more than it does Snell. They don’t let their pitchers see a lineup the third time. As far as the playoffs, the last time we seen Snell in the playoffs he was pitching a shutout against the Dodgers in the WS and inexplicably pulled while throwing only 73 pitches. Again, that’s the Rays trying to show the world how brilliant they are, nothing to do with Snell, specifically. He’s also won two Cy Youngs.

Yeah, who needs a guy like that because he wants to be paid? Just like every other free agent in the history of the sport
Giancarlo Stanton looks like Volpe now.  
bceagle05 : 2/19/2024 11:09 am : link
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I’ve always felt Snell  
section125 : 2/19/2024 11:16 am : link
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Snell pitched 180 innings last season and struck out 234. This idea that he’s a 5 inning pitcher is based on his time with the Rays and had more to do with the Rays thinking they are the smartest team in the history of the sport more than it does Snell. They don’t let their pitchers see a lineup the third time. As far as the playoffs, the last time we seen Snell in the playoffs he was pitching a shutout against the Dodgers in the WS and inexplicably pulled while throwing only 73 pitches. Again, that’s the Rays trying to show the world how brilliant they are, nothing to do with Snell, specifically. He’s also won two Cy Youngs.

Yeah, who needs a guy like that because he wants to be paid? Just like every other free agent in the history of the sport


Have to agree with BBS, rich in DC. Snell is a very good pitcher. I'd definitely roll the dice on a 1 year deal. I might even go 4 years...
Were there reports of Snells velocity  
xman : 2/19/2024 11:55 am : link
dropping??
RE: This might be a good news or future disappointment story  
Professor Falken : 2/19/2024 12:14 pm : link
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Nick Burdi obviously has high end pedigree- was a former 2nd round pick but has had TWO TJ surgeries AND a thorasic outlet syndrome surgery- but is showing high end stuff in camp. Obviously, relying on a guy with his injury history after last year would be tough. However, if he takes that last bullpen spot and can complete a comeback like Ian Hamilton last year, that would be nice.

With that said, the guy is a walking MASH unit and I’m not getting my hopes up. Still, if they can get 40 quality (and not average) IP out of the guy, I’d be pleasantly surprised.
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Check out Burdi from last season. Ignore the crazy graphics. The guy was throwing 100 mph.
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Stanton's lower body - what a difference  
GFAN52 : 2/19/2024 12:38 pm : link
compared to Judge. He's definitely lost weight and good to hear he's done more running in the offseason.

"A noticeably slimmer Stanton reported to spring training Monday following an offseason in which his workouts were “more movement-based” with a simple goal in mind."

“Be a baseball player again,” Stanton said at his locker at Steinbrenner Field. “I just needed to be more mobile. A lot of setbacks [last season] kept me not moving the way I’d like to be.”


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RE: Were there reports of Snells velocity  
Strahan91 : 2/19/2024 1:42 pm : link
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dropping??

No, his velocity has been consistent. Are you thinking of Bieber maybe?
Snell would be a great get and would really plug the  
Strahan91 : 2/19/2024 1:43 pm : link
biggest question mark this team has. I can't help but wonder though if this is just Boras using the Yankees to get another team to top up their offer before he signs. We'll find out soon I would think
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I’ve always felt Snell  
Strahan91 : 2/19/2024 1:58 pm : link
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I disagree. In fact, I believe Snell would be a disaster in NY.

The guy throws a LOT of pitches, yet never gets out of the 5th- and sometimes doesn’t even finish the 5th. He walks a LOT of guys, which is a playoff nightmare. To top it off, he’s obviously more interested in a big payday than where he lands, which to me is a HUGE red flag- to me that implies that he’s in it for the payday and has no competitive drive- which is a MUST in NY.

I disagree that Snell is a playoff nightmare. His career postseason numbers are quite good. He does walk a lot of batters but it's not like his command is all over the place. From Fangraphs (linked below and there's a lot of data that supports this in the article)
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Rather, there appears to an intentionality to where he misses. His misses are frequently in locations where the worst outcome is a wasted pitch out of the zone, rather than over the middle of the plate where batters can do more damage. Such an approach can be incredibly unpleasing to watch, but it has proven to be effective for him, nonetheless.

That he has a propensity for giving up walks and preventing runs forces us to consider that walks alone might not be the best encapsulation of his command. His ability to live around the edges and leave his misses in low risk locations is a skill.


Also your last point is an assumption that may not reflect reality at all, especially when Boras is his agent. The Yankees offer is the only known one and it was pretty far off his projections. Turning it down isn't an indictment on whether or not he wants to win, especially when we're in the dark as to what his market is to begin with.
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Imagine if we had signed Rendon, holy fuck. Dude hasn't played more  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/19/2024 3:16 pm : link
than 60 games a year since signing. Or more than 6M a HR.

I wonder if teams ask Boras about that contract.
RE: Imagine if we had signed Rendon, holy fuck. Dude hasn't played more  
Mike from SI : 2/19/2024 3:23 pm : link
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than 60 games a year since signing. Or more than 6M a HR.

I wonder if teams ask Boras about that contract.


What an absolute nightmare signing for the Angels. Vernon Wells part 2.
Let's see how long I can stick to this new season  
arniefez : 2/19/2024 4:22 pm : link
resolution. I'm going to try my best not to comment on the team owner, team president or the senior vice president and general manager of the Yankees unless something really egregious happens.

Before I go into on the field only mode, I have a few observations from a fan that's followed the Yankees for about 60 years.

1. I can't remember a time since the 1994 strike ended that the Yankee fan base was this apathetic. This year is the first time I've been getting "offers" from the Yankees for everything from buy one, get one free spring training tickets to $5000 for a private game suite in the Bronx and everything in between. Apparently, plenty of good seats are still available in the Bronx and Tampa.

2. The "management" of the Yankees has no idea how to "fix" things to get the fan base excited. The owner is perceived as bean counter, more interested in his bottom line than his won/loss record. The team president conducts himself as an embarrassing, ineffective bully and buffoon. The senior vice president and general manager is desperate to save his job and his "legacy" which has led to a top heavy roster of Judge, Cole and The Mysterians which doesn't seem to be inspiring former Yankee ticket buyers or the rest of the fan base.

3. I think #2 is what has caused #1 and there is no hope for change in sight. I’m not sure anything less than a World Series appearance will change the malaise era we’re in.

I listened to a podcast last week with Andy Martino and he said he's written a book that will be released on May 14th called:

The Yankee Way: The Untold Inside Story of the Brian Cashman Era.

He claims this book will help explain the excellence of the Yankees front office. One of the examples he mentioned is that when you read this book, you'll understand why trading Jordan Montgomery for Harrison Bader was well thought out and a good move.

He said something we’ve heard before. That the Yankees front office makes every move in vacuum, so they are evaluating each transaction on its own merits, and you’ll see why they all made sense and were well thought out at the time when you read the book.

I wonder how you can build a correct puzzle without looking at all the pieces, without a thought for how they fit the finished picture? That's something the Yankees front office wants to admit or worse brag about?

What do you guys think? If a front office explains their thinking for making a trade and the trade turns out horribly. Do they get a pass because it seemed like a good idea at the time? Martino talked a little but about Joey Gallo being acquired for defense and why that made sense too. I know for a fact that the majority of us who post here thought it was idiotic to add another guy who strikeouts out record rates to the Yankees lineup at the time. Who didn’t see how that was going to go except the Yankees front office?

I thought Bob Klapish had already written the Cashman legacy book in 2019. It was called Inside the Empire: The True Power Behind the New York Yankees. We need another Cashman book? I guess one book detailing the genius of a top 3 payroll for over a decade without a World Series appearance wasn't enough?

Turning to the 2024 season on the field. I think the front office has improved the offense on paper, it's gotten younger and better bats in the outfield, I'm excited to watch Soto play. I'm curious to see how Verdugo fits in after quickly wearing out his welcome with the Dodgers and the Red Sox. Maybe the 3rd team is the charm. The Yankees have added a few questionable reputation players this off season. Maybe those players can bring something that helps with the daily grind and fuels a competitive edge that’s been missing. Maybe the gift of desperation helps to cure the less than intense play on the field the last few years?

I'm curious to see how Stanton and Torres handle the pressure they're both under. I'm skeptical that Stanton will be a positive contributor and I think the Torres questions about being a free agent at the end of the year are going to get old for him very quickly. With a good year Torres can play himself into life changing money. Personally, I’ll take the under on Torres. I wanted the Yankees to trade him after 2019.

I'm curious to see if Volpe gets away from swinging as hard as he can and trying to pull every pitch. For all the hype he was one of the worst offensive players in MLB last year. I still don't think he has the arm to stay at SS but his OBP is more important to me at this point. His defense was good enough last year. The Yankees need him to be on base 35% or more of the time and score a lot of runs. I think the infield depth will be tested. I expect both DJ and Rizzo to wear and/or break down as the season progresses. I hope I’m wrong.

The Yankees have 5 catchers on their 40 man. Trevino is the only one with any kind of positive MLB track record and he’s already injured (calf). Supposedly minor nothing to worry about. We will see. Ben Rortvedt was Cole’s personal catcher for a while last year, but Cole is probably a better hitter. Rortvedt has minor league options left. The Yankees want Austin Wells to hit enough that his defense is tolerable enough for him to get the bulk of the MLB at bats. Not many people I’ve read or heard think he can catch at the MLB level. I hope he can. A lefthanded catcher who can hit for some power would be a big lift for the lineup. Carlos Narvaez finished 2023 at AAA. Agustin Ramirez finished 2023 at AA. The Yankees also brought back Luis Torrens on a minor league invite. Rule 5 may have ruined his career. He’s never hit but also never gotten much of a chance to play regularly. He’s still only 28 years old without much tread on his tires. There is certainly a lot of catching depth but I’m not sure if there’s a plus everyday catcher when you combine offense and defense.

To me the pitching staff is Cole and the question marks. I have my fingers crossed hoping that Cole can throw another 200 innings near his 2023 level. I think Rodon, Stroman and Cortes are boom or bust based on their health/injuries again. All of them were hurt last year. IMO if the Yankees are going to be a top of the league team 3 of their top 4 starters are going to have to take almost all of their turns and be very good.

After those 4 there’s Clarke Schmidt who had a 93 ERA+ last year in 159 innings which was 100 more than his previous career high, rookies and AAAA players. If 2 of the top 4 starters get hurt or pitch poorly, we have to hope for a few big surprises from the Schmidt group.

The one consensus I hear and read from across all of the media is that the Yankees front office knows how to build a bullpen and that the Yankees will have a very good bullpen in 2024. What am I missing? Clay Holmes has had 2 really good seasons in a row. 2022 was a little bit better than 2023. In 2023 there were stretches where he couldn’t throw strikes, but he had a 155 and 152 ERA+ in 2022 and 2023. I think we would all sign up for a 150 ERA + in 2024. After Holmes the rest of the bullpen projects as Jonathan Loáisiga, Ian Hamilton, Tommy Kahnle, Caleb Ferguson, Victor González, Luke Weaver and Ron Marinaccio. Do those names inspire confidence for anyone?

Unlike the football, baseball is played almost every day and unlike the football season the baseball season lasts 7 months. Things can change from a peak to a valley or vis versa in 2 weeks. Most of us will overreact in both directions during that roller coaster even though at this point we should know better.

I’ve read and heard that the Yankees front office and top players (Judge and Cole) think that a portion of last year’s injuries and slow start were from a lack of off-season training and commitment. Hopefully that’s not the case this year. At the end of last year Judge talked about not using April as extended spring training. I hope the manager and front office were listening. This what Gerrit Cole said the other day during an interview.

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"By and large you need to prepare in the offseason well," Cole offered when asked how to improve injury prevention. "This isn’t how it used to be even 10 years ago or so when I started where guys would come in and use spring training as a ramp-up. There’s a higher level of intensity much sooner and that forces the demand on the player to build a tank up, to build a capacity and tolerance in the offseason, that’s going to be your number one goal.”

Shit arnie with all  
section125 : 2/19/2024 4:54 pm : link
you wrote, how will anyone remember what to comment on.

I know it was only a brief stint with Wells behind the plate, but he looked ok to me. As far as Trevino - he is already catching, so it is probably more of a tweak than injury.

It will be interesting to see how Stanton's loss of weight helps him. He was so stiff in previous seasons it is not surprising he was always pulling something. He hits the ball 15% to 20% harder than almost everyone, so he doesn't need all the muscle. I bet he still connects at the 112 mph range.

Not sure what to think with Verdugo - not one of my favorites, but that usually means he played well against the Yankees.

I do expect Cortes to have occasional issues because he tries to get so much out of his arm - lots of extra stress.

Finally - the pen. Whatever Cashman and Co. have done, building a pen is the one thing they do well. I suspect they will pick up additional arms before the spring is over.
I, for one,  
Mike from SI : 2/19/2024 4:55 pm : link
am excited for the season and think last year was a fluke. I expect to compete for the division and definitely to make the playoffs with one of the best pitchers in baseball anchoring our rotation, and two of the top hitters in baseball anchoring the 2-3 slots in our lineup.

I sure do wish Hal would spend more, and that Cash and the front office did things differently, but we're in a much better situation than almost every other fan base, besides who, the Dodgers, Braves, Texas Rangers, Astros, maybe Orioles? Imagine if the NY Giants fans could say that.

We're not going to be the '98 Yankees but we also won't be the 2023 Yankees.

I have a feeling Gleyber will have a monster pre-FA year. (However, there is some chance he over-tries and sucks, but I'm betting on the big season.)

If there are going to be big discounts due to fan apathy, I will be sure to take advantage.

All that said, I totally get why people are pissed.
Coming up short on Yamamoto  
bceagle05 : 2/19/2024 5:04 pm : link
took some of the air out of the balloon. Still feels like we’re a starting pitcher short, but overall I’m excited about the team. I expect a huge year with the bats - two HOFers in their primes, healthy Rizzo and walk year Gleyber. Dominguez appears to be on track for the shorter end of the rehab window too. The offense can be special.
Overall I feel better about the franchise now  
bceagle05 : 2/19/2024 5:22 pm : link
than I have in several years though. No one's gonna confuse our young nucleus with Bernie/Jeter/Mo/Jorge/Andy, but there is some legit young talent in the mix now with some more knocking on the door. The Soto free agency is a little unsettling though - I'd hate to watch a 25-year-old Hall of Fame player walk out the door after one year.
RE: Coming up short on Yamamoto  
section125 : 2/19/2024 5:24 pm : link
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took some of the air out of the balloon. Still feels like we’re a starting pitcher short, but overall I’m excited about the team. I expect a huge year with the bats - two HOFers in their primes, healthy Rizzo and walk year Gleyber. Dominguez appears to be on track for the shorter end of the rehab window too. The offense can be special.


They were never getting Yamamato. Like Ohtani, he was a West Coast player from the get go..
RE: RE: Coming up short on Yamamoto  
bceagle05 : 2/19/2024 5:28 pm : link
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They were never getting Yamamato. Like Ohtani, he was a West Coast player from the get go..

Well we know that now, but there was legit excitement over the past year and it was still a letdown when it became official.
I  
mitch300 : 2/19/2024 6:53 pm : link
Heard or read somewhere that Volpe was working on his swing. So, let’s see how he does.
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section125 : 2/19/2024 7:04 pm : link
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They were never getting Yamamato. Like Ohtani, he was a West Coast player from the get go..


Well we know that now, but there was legit excitement over the past year and it was still a letdown when it became official.


After the Ohtani debacle years before, you had to know in the back of your head he was staying out West. There was a tiny chance he would pick the Yanks or Mets.
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GFAN52 : 2/19/2024 7:21 pm : link
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They were never getting Yamamato. Like Ohtani, he was a West Coast player from the get go..


Well we know that now, but there was legit excitement over the past year and it was still a letdown when it became official.



After the Ohtani debacle years before, you had to know in the back of your head he was staying out West. There was a tiny chance he would pick the Yanks or Mets.


Yep, the Yankees were never seriously considered. Also when the Dodgers were able to defer most of Ohtani's salary, it was a clear sign he was headed there. I wouldn't doubt that Ohtani and Yamamoto worked this out well before free agency even started.
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They were never getting Yamamato. Like Ohtani, he was a West Coast player from the get go..


Well we know that now, but there was legit excitement over the past year and it was still a letdown when it became official.



After the Ohtani debacle years before, you had to know in the back of your head he was staying out West. There was a tiny chance he would pick the Yanks or Mets.



Yep, the Yankees were never seriously considered. Also when the Dodgers were able to defer most of Ohtani's salary, it was a clear sign he was headed there. I wouldn't doubt that Ohtani and Yamamoto worked this out well before free agency even started.


Yep, use the Yanks and Mets to sweeten the pot and then take the Dodgers cash.
I don’t think Yamamoto really cared about West/East Coast  
Greg from LI : 2/19/2024 7:45 pm : link
He wanted to play with his pal Ohtani, and Ohtani only wanted the Dodgers
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Coming up short on Yamamoto  
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They were never getting Yamamato. Like Ohtani, he was a West Coast player from the get go..


Well we know that now, but there was legit excitement over the past year and it was still a letdown when it became official.



After the Ohtani debacle years before, you had to know in the back of your head he was staying out West. There was a tiny chance he would pick the Yanks or Mets.



Yep, the Yankees were never seriously considered. Also when the Dodgers were able to defer most of Ohtani's salary, it was a clear sign he was headed there. I wouldn't doubt that Ohtani and Yamamoto worked this out well before free agency even started.



Yep, use the Yanks and Mets to sweeten the pot and then take the Dodgers cash.


Also looks like the latest Yankees "interest" in Snell was nothing more that fake news leaked by his agent Boras to generate some interest by other teams, if you believe Michael Kay and his contacts.
Figures that Boras is behind the Snell chatter but  
bceagle05 : 2/19/2024 7:55 pm : link
he does have to sign somewhere at some point…right? He and Monty are really pushing the envelope here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Coming up short on Yamamoto  
section125 : 2/19/2024 7:57 pm : link
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Also looks like the latest Yankees "interest" in Snell was nothing more that fake news leaked by his agent Boras to generate some interest by other teams, if you believe Michael Kay and his contacts.


Or the Yankees mouth piece is countering Boras' leak. It is lying season, even in baseball.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I’ve always felt Snell  
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would drop in our lap at some point this offseason on a short-term deal. Hope it works out.

His asking price needs to come way down. He is trying to cash in on best season in 5 years. In the previous 4 years, he never topped 128 innings or 8 wins. There's a reason he is sitting on the market with ST starting.


This. The last thing the Yankees need is another injury prone player.



Snell on the Yankees' terms makes sense if you're going all in.



I disagree. In fact, I believe Snell would be a disaster in NY.

The guy throws a LOT of pitches, yet never gets out of the 5th- and sometimes doesn’t even finish the 5th. He walks a LOT of guys, which is a playoff nightmare. To top it off, he’s obviously more interested in a big payday than where he lands, which to me is a HUGE red flag- to me that implies that he’s in it for the payday and has no competitive drive- which is a MUST in NY.


Snell pitched 180 innings last season and struck out 234. This idea that he’s a 5 inning pitcher is based on his time with the Rays and had more to do with the Rays thinking they are the smartest team in the history of the sport more than it does Snell. They don’t let their pitchers see a lineup the third time. As far as the playoffs, the last time we seen Snell in the playoffs he was pitching a shutout against the Dodgers in the WS and inexplicably pulled while throwing only 73 pitches. Again, that’s the Rays trying to show the world how brilliant they are, nothing to do with Snell, specifically. He’s also won two Cy Youngs.

Yeah, who needs a guy like that because he wants to be paid? Just like every other free agent in the history of the sport


Big miss there bub.

Take a look at the link below- even if the Rays limited him in some way (the facts don’t bear this out, but whatever), when you look at his average Innings per start, the first year with the padres, he didn’t even average 5 innings per start.

Year 2 and 3- both with the Padres- he averaged just over 5 innings per start.

Use facts, not made up thoughts
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RE: Let's see how long I can stick to this new season  
rich in DC : 2/19/2024 8:35 pm : link
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resolution. I'm going to try my best not to comment on the team owner, team president or the senior vice president and general manager of the Yankees unless something really egregious happens.

Before I go into on the field only mode, I have a few observations from a fan that's followed the Yankees for about 60 years.

1. I can't remember a time since the 1994 strike ended that the Yankee fan base was this apathetic. This year is the first time I've been getting "offers" from the Yankees for everything from buy one, get one free spring training tickets to $5000 for a private game suite in the Bronx and everything in between. Apparently, plenty of good seats are still available in the Bronx and Tampa.

2. The "management" of the Yankees has no idea how to "fix" things to get the fan base excited. The owner is perceived as bean counter, more interested in his bottom line than his won/loss record. The team president conducts himself as an embarrassing, ineffective bully and buffoon. The senior vice president and general manager is desperate to save his job and his "legacy" which has led to a top heavy roster of Judge, Cole and The Mysterians which doesn't seem to be inspiring former Yankee ticket buyers or the rest of the fan base.

3. I think #2 is what has caused #1 and there is no hope for change in sight. I’m not sure anything less than a World Series appearance will change the malaise era we’re in.

I listened to a podcast last week with Andy Martino and he said he's written a book that will be released on May 14th called:

The Yankee Way: The Untold Inside Story of the Brian Cashman Era.

He claims this book will help explain the excellence of the Yankees front office. One of the examples he mentioned is that when you read this book, you'll understand why trading Jordan Montgomery for Harrison Bader was well thought out and a good move.

He said something we’ve heard before. That the Yankees front office makes every move in vacuum, so they are evaluating each transaction on its own merits, and you’ll see why they all made sense and were well thought out at the time when you read the book.

I wonder how you can build a correct puzzle without looking at all the pieces, without a thought for how they fit the finished picture? That's something the Yankees front office wants to admit or worse brag about?

What do you guys think? If a front office explains their thinking for making a trade and the trade turns out horribly. Do they get a pass because it seemed like a good idea at the time? Martino talked a little but about Joey Gallo being acquired for defense and why that made sense too. I know for a fact that the majority of us who post here thought it was idiotic to add another guy who strikeouts out record rates to the Yankees lineup at the time. Who didn’t see how that was going to go except the Yankees front office?

I thought Bob Klapish had already written the Cashman legacy book in 2019. It was called Inside the Empire: The True Power Behind the New York Yankees. We need another Cashman book? I guess one book detailing the genius of a top 3 payroll for over a decade without a World Series appearance wasn't enough?

Turning to the 2024 season on the field. I think the front office has improved the offense on paper, it's gotten younger and better bats in the outfield, I'm excited to watch Soto play. I'm curious to see how Verdugo fits in after quickly wearing out his welcome with the Dodgers and the Red Sox. Maybe the 3rd team is the charm. The Yankees have added a few questionable reputation players this off season. Maybe those players can bring something that helps with the daily grind and fuels a competitive edge that’s been missing. Maybe the gift of desperation helps to cure the less than intense play on the field the last few years?

I'm curious to see how Stanton and Torres handle the pressure they're both under. I'm skeptical that Stanton will be a positive contributor and I think the Torres questions about being a free agent at the end of the year are going to get old for him very quickly. With a good year Torres can play himself into life changing money. Personally, I’ll take the under on Torres. I wanted the Yankees to trade him after 2019.

I'm curious to see if Volpe gets away from swinging as hard as he can and trying to pull every pitch. For all the hype he was one of the worst offensive players in MLB last year. I still don't think he has the arm to stay at SS but his OBP is more important to me at this point. His defense was good enough last year. The Yankees need him to be on base 35% or more of the time and score a lot of runs. I think the infield depth will be tested. I expect both DJ and Rizzo to wear and/or break down as the season progresses. I hope I’m wrong.

The Yankees have 5 catchers on their 40 man. Trevino is the only one with any kind of positive MLB track record and he’s already injured (calf). Supposedly minor nothing to worry about. We will see. Ben Rortvedt was Cole’s personal catcher for a while last year, but Cole is probably a better hitter. Rortvedt has minor league options left. The Yankees want Austin Wells to hit enough that his defense is tolerable enough for him to get the bulk of the MLB at bats. Not many people I’ve read or heard think he can catch at the MLB level. I hope he can. A lefthanded catcher who can hit for some power would be a big lift for the lineup. Carlos Narvaez finished 2023 at AAA. Agustin Ramirez finished 2023 at AA. The Yankees also brought back Luis Torrens on a minor league invite. Rule 5 may have ruined his career. He’s never hit but also never gotten much of a chance to play regularly. He’s still only 28 years old without much tread on his tires. There is certainly a lot of catching depth but I’m not sure if there’s a plus everyday catcher when you combine offense and defense.

To me the pitching staff is Cole and the question marks. I have my fingers crossed hoping that Cole can throw another 200 innings near his 2023 level. I think Rodon, Stroman and Cortes are boom or bust based on their health/injuries again. All of them were hurt last year. IMO if the Yankees are going to be a top of the league team 3 of their top 4 starters are going to have to take almost all of their turns and be very good.

After those 4 there’s Clarke Schmidt who had a 93 ERA+ last year in 159 innings which was 100 more than his previous career high, rookies and AAAA players. If 2 of the top 4 starters get hurt or pitch poorly, we have to hope for a few big surprises from the Schmidt group.

The one consensus I hear and read from across all of the media is that the Yankees front office knows how to build a bullpen and that the Yankees will have a very good bullpen in 2024. What am I missing? Clay Holmes has had 2 really good seasons in a row. 2022 was a little bit better than 2023. In 2023 there were stretches where he couldn’t throw strikes, but he had a 155 and 152 ERA+ in 2022 and 2023. I think we would all sign up for a 150 ERA + in 2024. After Holmes the rest of the bullpen projects as Jonathan Loáisiga, Ian Hamilton, Tommy Kahnle, Caleb Ferguson, Victor González, Luke Weaver and Ron Marinaccio. Do those names inspire confidence for anyone?

Unlike the football, baseball is played almost every day and unlike the football season the baseball season lasts 7 months. Things can change from a peak to a valley or vis versa in 2 weeks. Most of us will overreact in both directions during that roller coaster even though at this point we should know better.

I’ve read and heard that the Yankees front office and top players (Judge and Cole) think that a portion of last year’s injuries and slow start were from a lack of off-season training and commitment. Hopefully that’s not the case this year. At the end of last year Judge talked about not using April as extended spring training. I hope the manager and front office were listening. This what Gerrit Cole said the other day during an interview.



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"By and large you need to prepare in the offseason well," Cole offered when asked how to improve injury prevention. "This isn’t how it used to be even 10 years ago or so when I started where guys would come in and use spring training as a ramp-up. There’s a higher level of intensity much sooner and that forces the demand on the player to build a tank up, to build a capacity and tolerance in the offseason, that’s going to be your number one goal.”



WOW- holy lack of self-awareness Batman!

People on this site are NOT apathetic- they have been driven away by the constant moaning about how much you and others hate Cashman and how everything he does is wrong and only you are right.

In case you haven’t noticed (lack of self-awareness) NO ONE CARES about how much you hate Cashman. We want to talk about the Yanks, but the game threads are a crap fest that routinely gets taken over by the Cashman haters.

You even turn the ONLY positive thread we’ve had in months into a cesspool in just a single (novel length) post.

PLEASE GO AWAY and leave Yankee threads alone. Your anti-Cashman routine is old, tired and NO ONE CARES
RE: I  
rich in DC : 2/19/2024 8:36 pm : link
In comment 16402873 mitch300 said:
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Heard or read somewhere that Volpe was working on his swing. So, let’s see how he does.


He did the same thing after his terrible first season in the minors- and that went VERY well. If he can do it once, I believe he can do it again!
RE: RE: Same bunch of whiny bitch Yankee fans whining and bitching  
bwitz : 2/19/2024 9:47 pm : link
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Sad and pathetic.



Noticed that you posted all your insights on how this will be a good year....oh wait, you didn't. Got nothing to offer - STFU.


Lol. Sad.
Plenty to offer buddy  
bwitz : 2/19/2024 9:53 pm : link
But unfortunately, the majority of Yankee ‘fans’ on this site are whiny bitches. If that upsets you, oh well.
RE: Plenty to offer buddy  
section125 : 2/20/2024 6:36 am : link
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But unfortunately, the majority of Yankee ‘fans’ on this site are whiny bitches. If that upsets you, oh well.


Says the guy that still offers nothing while doing exactly what he says others do....
Stanton’s body transformation  
Mattman : 2/20/2024 7:48 am : link
Might very well help with injuries this year. The guy the giants hired as the player performance head has done a lot of work with collecting data on bone to muscle mass ratio and how it affects injuries. Once you get over a certain ratio you are more injury prone.

RE: RE: I  
Mattman : 2/20/2024 7:56 am : link
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Heard or read somewhere that Volpe was working on his swing. So, let’s see how he does.



He did the same thing after his terrible first season in the minors- and that went VERY well. If he can do it once, I believe he can do it again!


If you stop adjusting you aren’t going to last in the majors. I’m hopeful for the kid. One thing I like seeing for prospects coming up is them having a bit of adversity early in their minor league career and having to make adjustments to the level of competition.
Rich in DC Dottino  
arniefez : 2/20/2024 8:40 am : link
I don't know you. You seem like a great guy. But you missed the point. The Yankees are running tickets sales like they're a supermarket. I've never seen that before. Have you?

From now on when I address you it will be as the Paul Dottino of the Yankee threads on BBI. Rich in DC Dottino. It's catchy.

I find it rather fascist of you to try to silence any dissent pertaining to your hero's in the Yankees front office. I don't like it.

I'm going to continue to exercise my free speech on all things Yankees. I enjoy it.

I read your typical pollyanna Yankee colored glasses assessment of how you think the 2024 season is going to play out. I added mine on top of it. Let's see what happens. I hope you're right and can hammer me on my opinions when 2024 ends.

I said I would stick to the on field product after that post and I intend to. My feelings about how the Yankees have conducted business are on record.

I hope you never go way. I would miss you. Yankee threads would. be no fun to me if everyone had the same opinions.
Cashman on Talkin' Yanks  
arniefez : 2/20/2024 8:42 am : link
I'm not sure if this has been posted. I think this is a very good listen.
Talkin' Yanks Brian Cashman Says the Yankees Need to Win Now - ( New Window )
Heyman  
Mike from SI : 2/20/2024 9:23 am : link
continues to shill for the Yankees getting Boras clients Snell, Monty, and Cease--it's getting pretty annoying at this point tbh.
RE: Heyman  
section125 : 2/20/2024 9:26 am : link
In comment 16403093 Mike from SI said:
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continues to shill for the Yankees getting Boras clients Snell, Monty, and Cease--it's getting pretty annoying at this point tbh.


Is it shilling for Boras, or does Boras happen to be agent for the players that the Yankees should be looking at. Can you name other SPs that the Yanks should be interested in signing?
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RE: RE: Heyman  
Strahan91 : 2/20/2024 10:28 am : link
In comment 16403100 section125 said:
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continues to shill for the Yankees getting Boras clients Snell, Monty, and Cease--it's getting pretty annoying at this point tbh.



Is it shilling for Boras, or does Boras happen to be agent for the players that the Yankees should be looking at. Can you name other SPs that the Yanks should be interested in signing?

This might be true but Heyman’s track record indicates that he’s shilling for Boras. He could have thrown in say Shane Bieber or Clevinger, 2 guys who have history with Blake but aren’t repped by Boras but he didn’t.
I wouldn’t say fans are apthetic, but we are used to offseasons like  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/20/2024 10:52 am : link
the one the Dodgers just had. And, in fact, the last time they won was when they went out and spent like a drunken sailor. Still, there is much for optimism, it’s posters like bwitz that really drags this place down. I am still waiting for the 2023 Yankees to turn it around. How much of a loser do you have to be in the real world to get all riled up over internet discussions?

What I don’t like is the narrative that all of Cashman’s trades and moves can be explained, even if the results turned out disastrous, like nothing he does is ever wrong. By the rationale I’d have a perfect SAT score, and GPA too. I am sure I can explain every single one of my wrong answers too.
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arniefez : 2/20/2024 3:48 pm : link
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Jasson Dominguez seems to be ahead of schedule  
Greg from LI : 2/20/2024 4:36 pm : link
Taking outfield in Tampa
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RE: RE: RE: Heyman  
section125 : 2/20/2024 5:17 pm : link
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continues to shill for the Yankees getting Boras clients Snell, Monty, and Cease--it's getting pretty annoying at this point tbh.



Is it shilling for Boras, or does Boras happen to be agent for the players that the Yankees should be looking at. Can you name other SPs that the Yanks should be interested in signing?


This might be true but Heyman’s track record indicates that he’s shilling for Boras. He could have thrown in say Shane Bieber or Clevinger, 2 guys who have history with Blake but aren’t repped by Boras but he didn’t.


It may be true, but we also know Kay is shilling for the Yanks. Basically, it doesn't matter and I don't care who reps for who. Just sign the guys you want if the contract is acceptable.
This is not casting blame  
arniefez : 2/20/2024 5:26 pm : link
this is not an attack or a rant about anyone involved with the Yankees at any level.

Is it just me or is it strange that the Yankees have had 3 position players over the past 6 or 7 years have to have TJ surgery. First Didi, then Hicks and now Domínguez. I don't like hearing that Domínguez is rushing back. Didi and Hicks were never the same and Domínguez is just a baby baseball wise.

How often do position players need TJ surgery? I know Harper had it and now he's a 1B going forward.

I never read anything about how Domínguez got hurt. All of sudden after one good week he needed an operation on his arm. Why? What happened?
Dominguez said he couldn’t point to anything as the cause  
Greg from LI : 2/20/2024 6:11 pm : link
Said his elbow started to hurt right after he was called up, he tried to play through it,and it hurt enough that they sent him for an MRI.
Gleyber Torres had TJ too before he came up.  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/20/2024 6:50 pm : link
Selling out for xwOBA and exit velocity probably wasn’t in fashion yet, so who knows?

Higashioka too.
RE: This is not casting blame  
section125 : 2/20/2024 7:05 pm : link
In comment 16403822 arniefez said:
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this is not an attack or a rant about anyone involved with the Yankees at any level.

Is it just me or is it strange that the Yankees have had 3 position players over the past 6 or 7 years have to have TJ surgery. First Didi, then Hicks and now Domínguez. I don't like hearing that Domínguez is rushing back. Didi and Hicks were never the same and Domínguez is just a baby baseball wise.

How often do position players need TJ surgery? I know Harper had it and now he's a 1B going forward.

I never read anything about how Domínguez got hurt. All of sudden after one good week he needed an operation on his arm. Why? What happened?


Because throwing a baseball is an unnatural motion that puts a lot of pressure on the elbow and shoulder. Many times the UCL is damaged in youth baseball with kids pitching far too much before their arm structure is developed. I wrecked my shoulder throwing softballs in college as hard as I could while playing outfield.
Hicks threw 100+ mph. How many hard throws did Didi make from SS, off balance, across his body from deep in the hole. All that stress starts tearing fibers of the ligament. I think eventually it just gives up and lets loose.
RE: This is not casting blame  
BigBlueShock : 2/20/2024 8:16 pm : link
In comment 16403822 arniefez said:
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this is not an attack or a rant about anyone involved with the Yankees at any level.

Is it just me or is it strange that the Yankees have had 3 position players over the past 6 or 7 years have to have TJ surgery. First Didi, then Hicks and now Domínguez. I don't like hearing that Domínguez is rushing back. Didi and Hicks were never the same and Domínguez is just a baby baseball wise.

How often do position players need TJ surgery? I know Harper had it and now he's a 1B going forward.

I never read anything about how Domínguez got hurt. All of sudden after one good week he needed an operation on his arm. Why? What happened?

You should do some research. Position players having TJ surgery is much more common than you think. This isn’t exclusive to the Yankees, no matter how much you want it to be
RE: Stanton’s body transformation  
rich in DC : 2/20/2024 9:01 pm : link
In comment 16403021 Mattman said:
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Might very well help with injuries this year. The guy the giants hired as the player performance head has done a lot of work with collecting data on bone to muscle mass ratio and how it affects injuries. Once you get over a certain ratio you are more injury prone.


I’ve said for years that Stanton’s problems stem from being muscle-bound. He can’t get to pitches that force him to extend or pull his arms in because he didn’t have the flexibility.

Hopefully the Yanks S&T coaches finally got through to him.

I’m not saying he recaptures the MVP level play, but even regaining normal flexibility should allow him to at least be a helpful offensive player rather than the detriment he’s been for several years running.
RE: This is not casting blame  
rich in DC : 2/20/2024 9:08 pm : link
In comment 16403822 arniefez said:
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this is not an attack or a rant about anyone involved with the Yankees at any level.

Is it just me or is it strange that the Yankees have had 3 position players over the past 6 or 7 years have to have TJ surgery. First Didi, then Hicks and now Domínguez. I don't like hearing that Domínguez is rushing back. Didi and Hicks were never the same and Domínguez is just a baby baseball wise.

How often do position players need TJ surgery? I know Harper had it and now he's a 1B going forward.

I never read anything about how Domínguez got hurt. All of sudden after one good week he needed an operation on his arm. Why? What happened?


THIS is what irritates me more than anything- the passive aggressive attacks where you intentionally throw stones at the Yankees, but then say I’m not attacking anyone.

Just be honest- you hate Cashman, Hal and everything connected to this iteration of this team. Playing the fool only makes you more of one.
No bother arguing with arnie  
bwitz : 2/20/2024 9:33 pm : link
Know nothing yelling at the sky.
Just to be clear  
Mike from SI : 2/20/2024 10:26 pm : link
if we were to sign Snell for 1 yr 30 million, Yankees would essentially be paying 60 million for him after the tax, correct? I don't think most owners would swallow that easily. I know George probably would, but we're stuck with the ownership we have, and I can't blame them for not wanting that as a rational person. (As a fan, f*** them, they should either pay up in free agency or sell the team--but all that anger isn't getting us anywhere.)
just defer money  
ElitoCanton : 2/20/2024 10:40 pm : link
like the Dodgers did.
RE: just defer money  
Mike from SI : 2/20/2024 10:46 pm : link
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like the Dodgers did.


I think the player needs to be willing to do that, right? I doubt Snell is.
RE: RE: just defer money  
Strahan91 : 2/21/2024 10:21 am : link
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like the Dodgers did.



I think the player needs to be willing to do that, right? I doubt Snell is.

Yeah... Ohtani has unprecedented income from endorsements and what not.
RE: No bother arguing with arnie  
rich in DC : 2/21/2024 1:40 pm : link
In comment 16403989 bwitz said:
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Know nothing yelling at the sky.


You are right. Bad on me for engaging the troll.

From now on, I will not read or respond to anything he posts.
RE: RE: Stanton’s body transformation  
rnargi : 2/21/2024 2:05 pm : link
In comment 16403970 rich in DC said:
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Might very well help with injuries this year. The guy the giants hired as the player performance head has done a lot of work with collecting data on bone to muscle mass ratio and how it affects injuries. Once you get over a certain ratio you are more injury prone.




I’ve said for years that Stanton’s problems stem from being muscle-bound. He can’t get to pitches that force him to extend or pull his arms in because he didn’t have the flexibility.

Hopefully the Yanks S&T coaches finally got through to him.

I’m not saying he recaptures the MVP level play, but even regaining normal flexibility should allow him to at least be a helpful offensive player rather than the detriment he’s been for several years running.


I agree with this. I think GS is making changes for the better wrt weight training and improved flexibility. I think it's an honest approach at reducing the number and severity of his lower body injuries and also at improving his sprint speed back to a decent number. I'm encouraged by what were hearing.
RE: just defer money  
rich in DC : 2/21/2024 2:40 pm : link
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like the Dodgers did.


I would note that the players who have deferred did not have Boras as their agent. I also seem to recall that Boras came out against that.
Rich in DC Dottino  
arniefez : 2/22/2024 10:03 pm : link
I think your strategy of not engaging will serve you well.

“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt” -Mark Twain

I was asking a legit question about TJ surgeries. If I want to flush the 3 Yankee management turds, I'll pull the handle.

Didi had his TJ surgery on October 17, 2018. Since that date 143 additional MLB players have had TJ surgery. Out of the 144 players including Didi, 132 of them were pitchers. 91.7% pitchers. 8.3% position players.

Didi, Aaron Hicks and Jasson Dominguez, three Yankees, account for 25% of all MLB position players who have had TJ surgery since October 17, 2018. Unfortunate luck for Yankee fans. Really unfortunate luck for Didi since he is the only SS on the list.

Expanding the list to include, High School players, College players, Rookie League players and all MiLB players who are/were part of MLB organizations along with the 144 MLB players that have had TJ surgery since October 17, 2018, the number of total procedures becomes 578. 540 of the procedures were performed on pitchers. 93.4% pitchers. 6.6% position players. Out of the 578, 24 were Yankees organization players. 4 were position players..

Let's recap:

8.3% of MLB TJ's were position players. 12 total, 3 Yankees. 25%.

When factoring in players from High School through MLB,

6.6% of all TJ's were position players. 38 total. 4 Yankees (Spencer Jones in 2020). 10.5%

So I think it's fair to say that if a dedicated follower of the Yankees finds it peculiar (or thinks without researching it) that Yankee position players required Tommy John surgery more than most other teams position players over that time frame, it's likely because the situation is indeed unusual.

Thanks for helping clear that up Rich.


Btw  
Mike from SI : 2/22/2024 10:42 pm : link
the more reliable sources have come out and said the Snell rumors were pretty much b.s. Never passed the smell test for me (hey I get to be right once in a while).
RE: Rich in DC Dottino  
section125 : 2/23/2024 6:43 am : link
In comment 16405775 arniefez said:
Quote:
I think your strategy of not engaging will serve you well.

“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt” -Mark Twain

I was asking a legit question about TJ surgeries. If I want to flush the 3 Yankee management turds, I'll pull the handle.

Didi had his TJ surgery on October 17, 2018. Since that date 143 additional MLB players have had TJ surgery. Out of the 144 players including Didi, 132 of them were pitchers. 91.7% pitchers. 8.3% position players.

Didi, Aaron Hicks and Jasson Dominguez, three Yankees, account for 25% of all MLB position players who have had TJ surgery since October 17, 2018. Unfortunate luck for Yankee fans. Really unfortunate luck for Didi since he is the only SS on the list.

Expanding the list to include, High School players, College players, Rookie League players and all MiLB players who are/were part of MLB organizations along with the 144 MLB players that have had TJ surgery since October 17, 2018, the number of total procedures becomes 578. 540 of the procedures were performed on pitchers. 93.4% pitchers. 6.6% position players. Out of the 578, 24 were Yankees organization players. 4 were position players..

Let's recap:

8.3% of MLB TJ's were position players. 12 total, 3 Yankees. 25%.

When factoring in players from High School through MLB,

6.6% of all TJ's were position players. 38 total. 4 Yankees (Spencer Jones in 2020). 10.5%

So I think it's fair to say that if a dedicated follower of the Yankees finds it peculiar (or thinks without researching it) that Yankee position players required Tommy John surgery more than most other teams position players over that time frame, it's likely because the situation is indeed unusual.

Thanks for helping clear that up Rich.



It is an anomaly at best. There is nothing there. Didi came from another org. Hicks throws harder than 95% of all MLB pitchers and who knows what Dominguez did - he was likely playing way too much baseball as a kid and severely weakened that ligament throwing far too often.

I actually do not see any correlation.

I am lockstep with Arnie when it comes to bashing Cashman, but Jones  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/23/2024 7:22 am : link
was at Vandy when he had TJ. I do want to quibble with their philosophy of picking undersized pitchers who can spin it and try to add velocity, which definitely can contribute to the high incidence of TJ.

They also don’t shy away from pitchers with medical red flags. Drafting Schmidt knowing he’d need TJ seems to be working out, but Beck will be 25 before he hits AA.
I wasn't bashing Cashman  
arniefez : 2/23/2024 8:42 am : link
for guys needing TJ. That's some pretty shitty Yankee injury luck though. Ruined Didi's career and probably cost him a lot of money. Hicks got his money but his career hasn't been the same either. I'm hoping for Dominguez at his age to make a full recovery. Hicks lost his fastball after TJ.
RE: I am lockstep with Arnie when it comes to bashing Cashman, but Jones  
rich in DC : 2/23/2024 8:54 am : link
In comment 16405857 Jim in Hoboken said:
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was at Vandy when he had TJ. I do want to quibble with their philosophy of picking undersized pitchers who can spin it and try to add velocity, which definitely can contribute to the high incidence of TJ.

They also don’t shy away from pitchers with medical red flags. Drafting Schmidt knowing he’d need TJ seems to be working out, but Beck will be 25 before he hits AA.


This is a bit of a silly quibble. Pitching by nature is a risky venture and ANY pitcher, regardless of size or build can get hurt on any pitch. It’s an inherent risk that all teams account for and the wiser ones work on rehab process and improving the pitchers stuff during the down time rather than worrying about who they draft and whether they fit a prototypical mold.
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New arms to know for 2024  
rich in DC : 2/29/2024 8:47 pm : link
The Yanks have made a real science out of finding and developing arms over the past decade. The first two the national media are already all over. However, several of these guys could be interesting.

Also keep in mind that the Yanks regularly draft guys who they hold back after the draft and don’t send them out to play until the next season. That leads to guys coming out of nowhere and blowing people away- like Thorpe last year.

This year, I suggest watching 2023 3rd rounder Kyle Carr- an experienced juco SP who the Yanks sent to the “gas station” in Tampa for work. He might be the new surprise.

Another possibility could be 11th rounder Josh Grosz- he was moderately successful at East Carolina- two pitch guy. The Yanks probably sent him to the station for a velo update and likely to learn a new pitch or two.

I’m sure there will be position guy updates coming soon

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RE: New arms to know for 2024  
Del Shofner : 2/29/2024 9:35 pm : link
In comment 16412319 rich in DC said:
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Thanks for posting that link. I know the Yanks probably pushed out some of that positive information from their PR department, but several of those guys do look very interesting. Would love for a couple of rookie pitchers to make an impact this year, maybe later in the year.
RE: New arms to know for 2024  
GFAN52 : 2/29/2024 9:47 pm : link
In comment 16412319 rich in DC said:
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The Yanks have made a real science out of finding and developing arms over the past decade. The first two the national media are already all over. However, several of these guys could be interesting.

Also keep in mind that the Yanks regularly draft guys who they hold back after the draft and don’t send them out to play until the next season. That leads to guys coming out of nowhere and blowing people away- like Thorpe last year.

This year, I suggest watching 2023 3rd rounder Kyle Carr- an experienced juco SP who the Yanks sent to the “gas station” in Tampa for work. He might be the new surprise.

Another possibility could be 11th rounder Josh Grosz- he was moderately successful at East Carolina- two pitch guy. The Yanks probably sent him to the station for a velo update and likely to learn a new pitch or two.

I’m sure there will be position guy updates coming soon More prospects - ( New Window )


Thanks for the links. With many of these prospects being International signings, you can see the Yankees hesitation in signing Snell and losing $1 million in the signing pool money.
Video of last year’s 20th rounder in a ST game  
rich in DC : 3/1/2024 8:37 am : link
This guy likely will not be a starter, but that sweeper…. He could be the next big bullpen arm they develop. Lower level minors guys are not going to be able to handle that pitch. Let’s see if he can develop the FB and maybe another pitch.


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watched some of last night's 0-0 snoozer with Miami -  
Del Shofner : 3/1/2024 11:18 am : link
obviously the pitchers looked good, the hitters not so much. DJLM struck out in both at-bats, he does not look good. Hope we're not counting on him too much.
Another bomb tonight from Soto.  
bceagle05 : 3/1/2024 9:18 pm : link
Dead center. Rizzo added two homers, which is a great sign.
I’m in love with Soto already.  
bceagle05 : 3/1/2024 9:27 pm : link
He was one of my favorite players before becoming a Yankee, so it’s no surprise. Hitting in the ballpark with Judge protecting him in the lineup will elevate him even more.
no idea if there's anything to this but  
Del Shofner : 3/2/2024 1:13 pm : link
NY Post article on the Yanks (and perhaps the Mets) pursuing Alex Bergman for 3B.

Caught my eye because what I've seen of DJLM at the plate so far isn't encouraging. He's been great but he's 35.
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RE: watched some of last night's 0-0 snoozer with Miami -  
mitch300 : 3/2/2024 2:52 pm : link
In comment 16412855 Del Shofner said:
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obviously the pitchers looked good, the hitters not so much. DJLM struck out in both at-bats, he does not look good. Hope we're not counting on him too much.

You do realize it’s spring training. Basing DJLM performance on early spring training performance is rediculous.
Great news….  
bceagle05 : 3/2/2024 3:04 pm : link
Erik Boland
@eboland11
One AL scout, who watched Volpe during his minor league development, in 2023 in the majors and now this spring: "This is the guy I saw (in the minors). I didn't recognize the guy at the plate last year, trying to pull the ball 450 feet. Seems like he's getting back to who he is."
What ever happened to  
Will Shine : 3/2/2024 3:55 pm : link
Dunedin81?
RE: What ever happened to  
Mike from SI : 3/2/2024 4:47 pm : link
In comment 16414387 Will Shine said:
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Dunedin81?


He's very active on Twitter but doesn't come around these parts all that often anymore. He does usually show up at some point to discuss the Yankees minors, I think usually around the draft.
RE: What ever happened to  
Semipro Lineman : 3/2/2024 4:55 pm : link
In comment 16414387 Will Shine said:
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Dunedin81?


I believe he posts on twitter
Over in SD, King had an eye opening start  
xman : 3/2/2024 10:31 pm : link
15 pitches 15 strikes. 3 lovely innings. Thorpe had a nice outing the day before. I miss these guys At least we got a stud in return
Could be some interesting competition from non-roster guys  
rich in DC : 3/3/2024 10:29 am : link
There has already been entire columns devoted to Nick Burdi- for whom the question has never been about stuff, but instead health has held him back. IF, and that’s a big if, he can stay healthy, he can not only be the next ST find for the pen by the Yanks but a real difference making type.

Keep in mind the Rortvelt and Jones (the recent waiver add) do NOT have minor league options remaining- meaning that to be sent to the minors, they have to pass through waivers- and C usually get grabbed on waivers because of the low bar to be a ML C.

That means that the non-roster guys know there is room for them if needed- so while Burdi is the front-runner for a spot, we may begin to hear about others pushing for a spot.

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Volpe looking good so far -  
Del Shofner : 3/3/2024 11:16 am : link
reading about how he's flattened his swing and is going for OBP rather than HRs this season. Be nice if he could flourish in the leadoff spot.
Soto homers AGAIN.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/3/2024 1:19 pm : link
So his deal will be ten years, eleventy billion dollars
Yanks on MLBN  
section125 : 3/3/2024 1:55 pm : link
this afternoon - FYI
RE: Volpe looking good so far -  
rnargi : 3/3/2024 3:37 pm : link
In comment 16415051 Del Shofner said:
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reading about how he's flattened his swing and is going for OBP rather than HRs this season. Be nice if he could flourish in the leadoff spot.


From your lips to God's ears...this would change everything.
Really looking forward  
bceagle05 : 3/3/2024 4:12 pm : link
to Volpe, Wells and Dominguez developing this year without a ton of pressure. Judge and Soto can do the heavy lifting with help from the vets - Rizzo, Gleyber, DJ and hopefully Stanton. I think it’s a great mix.
Nice seeing Cortes  
xman : 3/3/2024 9:48 pm : link
pitching better today. Hope he holds up
King is filthy, if he is healthy and can show durability, he will do  
Jim in Hoboken : 3/4/2024 9:58 am : link
well in SD.

It doesn’t look like Torres will be moved, maybe they are just going to have him play out the contract. They are around 200M for payroll in 2025, you figure 50M for Soto I doubt they will throw 25M at Torres.

I read somewhere Peraza is hurt again. Use him at 3B if DJ can’t fins the fountain of youth. I wouldn’t mind packaging him and Pereira for pitching though. Maybe he just isn’t meant to play for the Yanks.
RE: RE: watched some of last night's 0-0 snoozer with Miami -  
djm : 3/4/2024 11:52 am : link
In comment 16414301 mitch300 said:
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obviously the pitchers looked good, the hitters not so much. DJLM struck out in both at-bats, he does not look good. Hope we're not counting on him too much.


You do realize it’s spring training. Basing DJLM performance on early spring training performance is ridiculous.


DJLM hasn't hit his career OPS in 2 full seasons now. He's just not the same hitter anymore. To me he's ideally suited as a utility player.
RE: Soto homers AGAIN.  
djm : 3/4/2024 11:55 am : link
In comment 16415153 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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So his deal will be ten years, eleventy billion dollars


Lol not far off. I have learned when great talent meets hard work, prep and timing (FA walk year) exect a monster season more often than not. Soto is going to go bananas this season.
.  
Del Shofner : 3/4/2024 4:58 pm : link
Josh Donaldson
officially retires - ( New Window )
RE: .  
rich in DC : 3/4/2024 6:34 pm : link
In comment 16416529 Del Shofner said:
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Josh Donaldson officially retires - ( New Window )


One could argue that he actually retired 2 years ago but only made it official today…
MLB top 30 prospects list is up for the Yanks…  
Jim in Hoboken : 3/5/2024 12:17 am : link
Late night reading…
Well, showing that other teams get horrible injury luck too  
Greg from LI : 3/5/2024 11:06 am : link
Lucas Giolito has a partially torn UCL.
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Boras dialing the Red Sox right now…  
Jim in Hoboken : 3/5/2024 12:01 pm : link
Is it true that Spencer Jones hasn’t swung and missed this spring? If he comes up with a 30/30 season between AA/AAA, what will Cashman do?
.  
Del Shofner : 3/5/2024 12:08 pm : link
In comment 16417440 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Is it true that Spencer Jones hasn’t swung and missed this spring?


hadn't heard that, but:

.462 .563 .692 1.255

small sample size, obviously
RE: Boras dialing the Red Sox right now…  
rich in DC : 3/5/2024 12:27 pm : link
In comment 16417440 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Is it true that Spencer Jones hasn’t swung and missed this spring? If he comes up with a 30/30 season between AA/AAA, what will Cashman do?


You put Jones in CF and Dominguez in LF. Try and re-sign Soto as the RF. If you re-sign Soto, you hope that Stanton has a good enough season to trade him and put Judge at DH or see if an off-season with the 1B glove takes.
RE: Boras dialing the Red Sox right now…  
Semipro Lineman : 3/5/2024 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16417440 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Is it true that Spencer Jones hasn’t swung and missed this spring? If he comes up with a 30/30 season between AA/AAA, what will Cashman do?


After he cleans himself, I suspect that he continues to pursue Soto, starts looking for Stanton trade partners (usual caveat of how much money to include) and envisions an outfield/DH combo of Jones, The Martian, Judge, and Soto. Three plus fielders and all with strong arms
Boones says that Kahnle  
Semipro Lineman : 3/5/2024 12:33 pm : link
is a little behind schedule.
FYI
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It’s only early March  
Dang Man : 3/5/2024 8:03 pm : link
But anyone concerned about some of the bats?
Peraza
Cabrera
Pereira
Wells
Not looking like they belong.

On the other hand Volpe looks good so far. Spencer Jones too!
RE: Boones says that Kahnle  
Mike from SI : 3/5/2024 8:17 pm : link
In comment 16417495 Semipro Lineman said:
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is a little behind schedule.
FYI Link - ( New Window )


I generally believe in the "Yankees can pull relievers out of thin air" mentality. But maybe it's time to be a little concerned? Right now they have Holmes, Loaisiga, Hamilton, Marinaccio....I think Effross won't be ready right away?

Considering that Lasagna is injury prone and Holmes is prone to blowups, I could see this getting ugly quickly.
RE: RE: Boones says that Kahnle  
rich in DC : 3/5/2024 9:11 pm : link
In comment 16418256 Mike from SI said:
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is a little behind schedule.
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I generally believe in the "Yankees can pull relievers out of thin air" mentality. But maybe it's time to be a little concerned? Right now they have Holmes, Loaisiga, Hamilton, Marinaccio....I think Effross won't be ready right away?

Considering that Lasagna is injury prone and Holmes is prone to blowups, I could see this getting ugly quickly.


I think you are forgetting about the two lefties they got from the Dodgers- Ferguson and Gonzalez- both experienced guys who will make the team. Luke Weaver MIGHT be the swing guy. Non-roster guy Nick Burdi has been amazing- though with him its always about health not stuff.
RE: It’s only early March  
rich in DC : 3/5/2024 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16418241 Dang Man said:
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But anyone concerned about some of the bats?
Peraza
Cabrera
Pereira
Wells
Not looking like they belong.

On the other hand Volpe looks good so far. Spencer Jones too!


They’ve only been playing for a week. Give it time.
RE: RE: RE: Boones says that Kahnle  
Mike from SI : 3/5/2024 9:42 pm : link
In comment 16418315 rich in DC said:
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In comment 16417495 Semipro Lineman said:


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is a little behind schedule.
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I generally believe in the "Yankees can pull relievers out of thin air" mentality. But maybe it's time to be a little concerned? Right now they have Holmes, Loaisiga, Hamilton, Marinaccio....I think Effross won't be ready right away?

Considering that Lasagna is injury prone and Holmes is prone to blowups, I could see this getting ugly quickly.



I think you are forgetting about the two lefties they got from the Dodgers- Ferguson and Gonzalez- both experienced guys who will make the team. Luke Weaver MIGHT be the swing guy. Non-roster guy Nick Burdi has been amazing- though with him its always about health not stuff.


You're right, I knew I was forgetting someone. Still not pleased with the Kahnle news haha.
NY Post article about the Vandy connection between Volpe and S. Jones  
Del Shofner : 3/6/2024 8:52 am : link
- interesting, wasn't aware of that. Sounds like Jones has been reassigned to minor league camp but he is sure looking good. As is Volpe.
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The lineup they're using today  
Mike from SI : 3/6/2024 9:00 am : link
seems very close to the real thing, other than C and SS at the end, obviously:

DJLM (3B)
Soto (RF)
Judge (CF)
Rizzo (1B)
Gleyber (2B)
Stanton (DH)
Verdugo (LF)
L. Torrens (C)
Peraza (SS)

Rodon on the bump. I tend to think spring training games are 99% meaningless, but I'm working from home so will put this on in the background and am curious to see Rodon's velo. (But, again, it likely doesn't matter that much unless he's sitting at like 88 or 99 lol.)
Trevino back this weekend  
rich in DC : 3/7/2024 8:46 am : link
Pieces of the team are getting healthy. Now, let's see the guys struggling get over the spring plateau and get back to normal results.

Trevino should help the pitchers. Wells gets raves from the staff, but he's a rookie and has MUCH to learn about the big leagues. Trevino ought to be a very important teacher for Wells, while helping the staff with his framing and knowledge of the catching skills.
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RE: Trevino back this weekend  
section125 : 3/7/2024 8:56 am : link
In comment 16419661 rich in DC said:
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Pieces of the team are getting healthy. Now, let's see the guys struggling get over the spring plateau and get back to normal results.

Trevino should help the pitchers. Wells gets raves from the staff, but he's a rookie and has MUCH to learn about the big leagues. Trevino ought to be a very important teacher for Wells, while helping the staff with his framing and knowledge of the catching skills. Trevino back this weekend - ( New Window )


It will be good to get Trevino back behind the plate. Looking forward to he and Wells as the catchers this year.

What are you thinking with Stanton. He and DJLM are having slow starts at the plate, but I am less concerned about DJ. GS still looks terrible at the plate. I figure DJ will get it together, but even he may have lost enough bast speed to make himself ineffective. But I have zero confidence in GS going into the year...
RE: RE: Trevino back this weekend  
GFAN52 : 3/7/2024 9:01 am : link
In comment 16419674 section125 said:
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In comment 16419661 rich in DC said:


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Pieces of the team are getting healthy. Now, let's see the guys struggling get over the spring plateau and get back to normal results.

Trevino should help the pitchers. Wells gets raves from the staff, but he's a rookie and has MUCH to learn about the big leagues. Trevino ought to be a very important teacher for Wells, while helping the staff with his framing and knowledge of the catching skills. Trevino back this weekend - ( New Window )



It will be good to get Trevino back behind the plate. Looking forward to he and Wells as the catchers this year.

What are you thinking with Stanton. He and DJLM are having slow starts at the plate, but I am less concerned about DJ. GS still looks terrible at the plate. I figure DJ will get it together, but even he may have lost enough bast speed to make himself ineffective. But I have zero confidence in GS going into the year...


Stanton is done and has been as a useful player. The slimmed down version isn't any better hitter. It sucks that he is almost untraceable and the Yankees are stuck with his contract. I hope next offseason, they just bite the bullet and eat the rest of his contract if they can't agree on some settlement. He's clogging up the DH position.
RE: RE: RE: Trevino back this weekend  
Semipro Lineman : 3/7/2024 10:57 am : link
In comment 16419678 GFAN52 said:
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Stanton is done and has been as a useful player. The slimmed down version isn't any better hitter. It sucks that he is almost untraceable and the Yankees are stuck with his contract. I hope next offseason, they just bite the bullet and eat the rest of his contract if they can't agree on some settlement. He's clogging up the DH position.


Last year Giancarlo could not catch up to anything faster than a batting practice lob so I suspect that he is being strictly viewed as lineup insurance against a Jasson Dominguez setback. I can't imagine any scenario where he is back next year even if he does return to his old form because the Yankees won't have room.
NY Post article on Steve Swindal Jr. as  
Del Shofner : 3/7/2024 11:16 am : link
potential successor to Hal. I dunno. Hal isn't that old. Although I suppose that so long as the money is coming in, Hal might not mind stepping aside.
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Stanton and DJLM both look done to me -  
Del Shofner : 3/7/2024 11:20 am : link
with DJLM, I know it's spring training and a small sample size, but do you want a slow-footed 35-year-old as your leadoff hitter with these stats?

.083 .154. .083 .237

Maybe as your #8 hitter, but not leadoff please. I would go with Volpe there just for his speed if nothing else.
RE: Stanton and DJLM both look done to me -  
section125 : 3/7/2024 11:24 am : link
In comment 16419987 Del Shofner said:
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with DJLM, I know it's spring training and a small sample size, but do you want a slow-footed 35-year-old as your leadoff hitter with these stats?

.083 .154. .083 .237

Maybe as your #8 hitter, but not leadoff please. I would go with Volpe there just for his speed if nothing else.


Me neither. If Volpe is back to being pre-homerun hunter Volpe, he should be leadoff.
For leadoff hitter  
Semipro Lineman : 3/7/2024 12:39 pm : link
I wonder if we might see either Verdugo or Torres in that spot since they both have nearly identical career OBP.
RE: NY Post article on Steve Swindal Jr. as  
rich in DC : 3/7/2024 12:47 pm : link
In comment 16419980 Del Shofner said:
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potential successor to Hal. I dunno. Hal isn't that old. Although I suppose that so long as the money is coming in, Hal might not mind stepping aside. Link - ( New Window )


Funny how his dad was once mentioned as the future boss of the Yanks- but got divorced and that was that (if I recall the story correctly).
RE: Stanton and DJLM both look done to me -  
rich in DC : 3/7/2024 12:49 pm : link
In comment 16419987 Del Shofner said:
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with DJLM, I know it's spring training and a small sample size, but do you want a slow-footed 35-year-old as your leadoff hitter with these stats?

.083 .154. .083 .237

Maybe as your #8 hitter, but not leadoff please. I would go with Volpe there just for his speed if nothing else.


MUCH too early to worry about it. I usually wait for the law of averages to kick in over a longer term- unless all you are doing is striking out, eventually some of those balls in play stop turning into outs and become hits.

Now, if those are the numbers in late May/early June- THEN you worry about it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Trevino back this weekend  
rich in DC : 3/7/2024 12:54 pm : link
In comment 16419937 Semipro Lineman said:
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Stanton is done and has been as a useful player. The slimmed down version isn't any better hitter. It sucks that he is almost untraceable and the Yankees are stuck with his contract. I hope next offseason, they just bite the bullet and eat the rest of his contract if they can't agree on some settlement. He's clogging up the DH position.



Last year Giancarlo could not catch up to anything faster than a batting practice lob so I suspect that he is being strictly viewed as lineup insurance against a Jasson Dominguez setback. I can't imagine any scenario where he is back next year even if he does return to his old form because the Yankees won't have room.


Something to keep in mind- the Marlins still have not yet begun the payments of $30M to the Yanks (due to begin soon). If Stanton can at least be a reasonable hitter with power (say .240 with 20+ HR), after this season he is due $32M, $29M and $25M over the next 3 seasons. If the Yanks were to throw that $30M into the deal, that's $56M over 3 years, or just under $19M a season. Not outrageous in today's market for a low AB high power guy. It also might help him mentally to get out of NY.

Sure he has the full no-trade clause. His favorite team, the Dodgers won't be trading for him since they need the DH slot for Ohtani. But what about the Angels?
Yanks announce breakout games roster  
rich in DC : 3/7/2024 1:04 pm : link
If this is televised somewhere, I REALLY want to see this group in action. Its the very best of their system along with several guys who we will know very well by this time next year.

Might be the best idea MLB has come up with in years.

Yankees breakout roster - ( New Window )
RE: RE: NY Post article on Steve Swindal Jr. as  
bceagle05 : 3/7/2024 1:06 pm : link
In comment 16420155 rich in DC said:
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Funny how his dad was once mentioned as the future boss of the Yanks- but got divorced and that was that (if I recall the story correctly).

One of the biggest fumbles in sports history - imagine being next in line to run the freaking New York Yankees and you blow it with a DUI and subsequent divorce.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Trevino back this weekend  
GFAN52 : 3/7/2024 1:51 pm : link
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Stanton is done and has been as a useful player. The slimmed down version isn't any better hitter. It sucks that he is almost untraceable and the Yankees are stuck with his contract. I hope next offseason, they just bite the bullet and eat the rest of his contract if they can't agree on some settlement. He's clogging up the DH position.



Last year Giancarlo could not catch up to anything faster than a batting practice lob so I suspect that he is being strictly viewed as lineup insurance against a Jasson Dominguez setback. I can't imagine any scenario where he is back next year even if he does return to his old form because the Yankees won't have room.



Something to keep in mind- the Marlins still have not yet begun the payments of $30M to the Yanks (due to begin soon). If Stanton can at least be a reasonable hitter with power (say .240 with 20+ HR), after this season he is due $32M, $29M and $25M over the next 3 seasons. If the Yanks were to throw that $30M into the deal, that's $56M over 3 years, or just under $19M a season. Not outrageous in today's market for a low AB high power guy. It also might help him mentally to get out of NY.

Sure he has the full no-trade clause. His favorite team, the Dodgers won't be trading for him since they need the DH slot for Ohtani. But what about the Angels?


I will be totally shocked Stanton is batting anywhere near .240 by the end of the season. His past MO is having a good season start batting, before the inevitable injury sidelines him, and he never gets his hitting back. I see him finishing another year hovering around .200.
RE: RE: Stanton and DJLM both look done to me -  
Del Shofner : 3/7/2024 1:51 pm : link
In comment 16420159 rich in DC said:
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MUCH too early to worry about it. I usually wait for the law of averages to kick in over a longer term- unless all you are doing is striking out, eventually some of those balls in play stop turning into outs and become hits.

Now, if those are the numbers in late May/early June- THEN you worry about it.


Gotta disagree with you there. First, DJLM *is* striking out a lot - he's striking out at a 33% rate this spring. Second, he's not passing the eye test - he's looked like crap at the plate so far. It's not like he's hitting the ball hard and being unlucky. Third, he's the slowest-footed player on the team.

This is who you want as your leadoff hitter? I think that's crazy. You need a higher OBP guy who's a threat to steal, to give the opposing pitcher something to worry about while pitching to Soto and Judge.

I'm not saying cut DJLM. I realize we're stuck with him at 3B for the foreseeable future. I'm just saying that a slow, weak-hitting infielder should bat 8th in the lineup and not lead off.
RE: Yanks announce breakout games roster  
Del Shofner : 3/7/2024 1:55 pm : link
In comment 16420183 rich in DC said:
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If this is televised somewhere, I REALLY want to see this group in action. Its the very best of their system along with several guys who we will know very well by this time next year.

Might be the best idea MLB has come up with in years. Yankees breakout roster - ( New Window )


This does look very interesting - hopefully it will be televised somewhere
RE: RE: RE: NY Post article on Steve Swindal Jr. as  
Mike from SI : 3/7/2024 2:13 pm : link
In comment 16420185 bceagle05 said:
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Funny how his dad was once mentioned as the future boss of the Yanks- but got divorced and that was that (if I recall the story correctly).


One of the biggest fumbles in sports history - imagine being next in line to run the freaking New York Yankees and you blow it with a DUI and subsequent divorce.


I'm not sure I'd stay in a miserable marriage even to run the Yankees. (Although the DUI is obviously very bad behavior.)
RE: RE: RE: Stanton and DJLM both look done to me -  
Semipro Lineman : 3/7/2024 3:32 pm : link
In comment 16420252 Del Shofner said:
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I'm not saying cut DJLM. I realize we're stuck with him at 3B for the foreseeable future. I'm just saying that a slow, weak-hitting infielder should bat 8th in the lineup and not lead off.


Long story short, I realize that the Yankees have to be smart with their resources going forward so it makes sense to let him go but I am surprised that Torres hasn't gotten a short at third base. Maybe it's silly to switch him from a position he is comfortable at but I feel that he can handle it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Stanton and DJLM both look done to me -  
Mike from SI : 3/7/2024 3:36 pm : link
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I'm not saying cut DJLM. I realize we're stuck with him at 3B for the foreseeable future. I'm just saying that a slow, weak-hitting infielder should bat 8th in the lineup and not lead off.



Long story short, I realize that the Yankees have to be smart with their resources going forward so it makes sense to let him go but I am surprised that Torres hasn't gotten a short at third base. Maybe it's silly to switch him from a position he is comfortable at but I feel that he can handle it.


Well, his playing at SS really seemed to affect his offense (which remains odd to me), so I'm not sure he's the guy you want to mess around with. Plus, as you alluded to, I don't think he's in the long-term plans. (I suspect he's going to have a monster FA year and then we let someone massively overpay for him. Which is fine, he seems like a good kid, but not crucial.)
Austin Wells with a double and HR tonight.  
bceagle05 : 3/7/2024 7:44 pm : link
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RE: Austin Wells with a double and HR tonight.  
Del Shofner : 3/7/2024 9:41 pm : link
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Volpe 2 for 3 from the leadoff spot tonight.

Kevin Smith (who?) started at 3B.
on the less good side ...  
Del Shofner : 3/7/2024 9:50 pm : link
TAMPA — Oswald Peraza had a renewal of shoulder pain after playing Tuesday and Wednesday and was expected to undergo imaging to determine the extent of the injury, Aaron Boone told The Post.

Peraza was seen leaving Steinbrenner Field around noon in street clothes Thursday as other players were arriving for a workout and then a night game against the Tigers.

Boone said that Peraza came to him Thursday morning and said the shoulder was bothering him again.
The bottom of the position player roster is a death struggle  
shyster : 3/7/2024 11:57 pm : link
of the wrong kind right now.

Eleven of the 13 position roster spots are a lock, with Grisham and the BUC adding to the nine starters.

Going in to ST, Peraza and Cabrera looked most likely to fill spots 12 and 13.

But Peraza has the bad shoulder and Cabrera (.048) is, thus far, going in the wrong direction from a disappointing 2023.

Jorbit Vivas is on the 40-man, but can't play SS and is hitting .143 himself.

Kevin Smith (Who? as Del Shofner says) can play SS, but isn't on the 40-man.

Everson Pereira is at .222 with 8 strikeouts and one XBH, (a homer) in 18 ST ABs.

Two of the named figure to make the OD roster. Jasson is in the wings to take a spot down the line, and Spencer after him, but the infield, which Cashman claims as an area of strength, is very thin. DJL is looking old and there is no depth.

NY Post article on the new batting coach and 'situational hitting' -  
Del Shofner : 3/8/2024 10:12 am : link
ya think? Some situational hitting would be nice after last year.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: on the less good side ...  
rich in DC : 3/8/2024 10:27 am : link
In comment 16420726 Del Shofner said:
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TAMPA — Oswald Peraza had a renewal of shoulder pain after playing Tuesday and Wednesday and was expected to undergo imaging to determine the extent of the injury, Aaron Boone told The Post.

Peraza was seen leaving Steinbrenner Field around noon in street clothes Thursday as other players were arriving for a workout and then a night game against the Tigers.

Boone said that Peraza came to him Thursday morning and said the shoulder was bothering him again.


Probably the best thing for him- it would be bad for future development for him to sit on the bench in NY while Torres and Volpe play 150+ games each. He need to go to AAA- and either play every day or be on the IL there to start the season and then play every day.

I still think the Yanks backup middle INF isn't on the roster. But as the comments from Rosario in the NY Post today showed, the FAs out there are not sold on the Yanks because there isn't a plausible route to playing time outside of an injury.

I suspect that the Yanks will either have to make a waiver claim on a cut vet at the roster cut down time or make a last minute trade for a backup.

In the same vein, I think that Oswaldo Cabrera would also be best served going to AAA and playing the supersub role there to prepare him and allow him to re-focus his hitting.

The OF is set, backup C is set, just grab a supersub INF and maybe either a speed late inning guy or roll with an extra bullpen arm to start the season.
I’ve all but given up on Peraza, he didn’t even flash like Andujar.  
Jim in Hoboken : 3/8/2024 10:30 am : link
Even with Vivas going back to minors, Durbin and Serna should be knocking on the door soon. Hopefully Arias will break out. They should put Lombard at 3B now, maybe he will be a fast riser.
RE: NY Post article on the new batting coach and 'situational hitting' -  
rich in DC : 3/8/2024 10:30 am : link
In comment 16421089 Del Shofner said:
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ya think? Some situational hitting would be nice after last year. Link - ( New Window )


The drum that many (including me) have been beating for some time now, arguing that the focus on "launch angle" has been misguided and self-defeating.

I think Volpe has bought in. For Soto and Judge, it doesn't really matter because they are so good. Trevino is really a spray it around and hope it lands on the ground type. Rizzo looks back to normal and focused.

I hope that Torres got the message- but he's in a walk year and I think his focus will be to hit as many HR as he can in the hopes of a big multi-year deal somewhere.

I have no idea what to expect from DJLM or Stanton. I think DJLMs track record is that he will correct whatever went wrong last year and he is healthy. Stanton- I have no idea. At this point, I would take a .240 BA and power and call it a success.
As things stand, the only backup 1B on the roster  
shyster : 3/9/2024 3:12 am : link
who resembles a major league hitter is DJ LeMahieu.

The upshot of that is that the Yankee backup 3B is in line for double duty: he plays when LeMahieu rests (or is injured) and he plays when Rizzo rests (or is injured) and LeMahieu covers 1B.

Even if Yanks had signed Amed Rosario, he is strictly a middle infielder; never played 3B.

Peraza was, by all appearance, planned to be the "double backup" for 3B. He in fact had far more major league 3B starts last year than at SS and 2B combined.

So Yanks have both the middle infield backup roster hole that Cashman was trying to fill with Rosario and, it appears, an even bigger hole created by Peraza's shoulder injury.

Since everybody in the day's lineup has to hit, that's a lot of plate appearances in 2024 that are up for grabs with no proven major league hitter to take them.

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Del Shofner : 3/9/2024 8:37 am : link
Good post. I think Peraza goes to the DL and Kevin Smith (who?) is added to the 40-man. Smith is a 27 y/o career minor league 3B/SS who we signed in January. Has been in the Jays and A's organizations. Looks like a good field, no hit infielder with some speed. Bench player, but that's what we need there.
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rich in DC : 3/9/2024 8:48 am : link
In comment 16422259 Del Shofner said:
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Good post. I think Peraza goes to the DL and Kevin Smith (who?) is added to the 40-man. Smith is a 27 y/o career minor league 3B/SS who we signed in January. Has been in the Jays and A's organizations. Looks like a good field, no hit infielder with some speed. Bench player, but that's what we need there.


I don't think the INF back up is even in camp right now. I think they will make a trade/waiver claim at the end of ST. Think of Velasquez a couple years ago.
Another bomb today from Wells.  
bceagle05 : 3/9/2024 1:17 pm : link
Love the Trevino/Wells combo behind the plate.
RE: As things stand, the only backup 1B on the roster  
Mike from SI : 3/9/2024 1:44 pm : link
In comment 16422220 shyster said:
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who resembles a major league hitter is DJ LeMahieu.

The upshot of that is that the Yankee backup 3B is in line for double duty: he plays when LeMahieu rests (or is injured) and he plays when Rizzo rests (or is injured) and LeMahieu covers 1B.

Even if Yanks had signed Amed Rosario, he is strictly a middle infielder; never played 3B.

Peraza was, by all appearance, planned to be the "double backup" for 3B. He in fact had far more major league 3B starts last year than at SS and 2B combined.

So Yanks have both the middle infield backup roster hole that Cashman was trying to fill with Rosario and, it appears, an even bigger hole created by Peraza's shoulder injury.

Since everybody in the day's lineup has to hit, that's a lot of plate appearances in 2024 that are up for grabs with no proven major league hitter to take them.


Can Wells play 1b? I am confident in his hitting.
Ben Rice should play 1B.  
Jim in Hoboken : 3/9/2024 2:33 pm : link
I don’t know what position he played in college hockey, but maybe he can pick it.
RE: Ben Rice should play 1B.  
rich in DC : 3/9/2024 3:33 pm : link
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I don’t know what position he played in college hockey, but maybe he can pick it.


He basically split time between 1B and C last season. He likes to catch, but missing two full seasons of college ball and then most of another after signing has really hurt his development behind the plate.
Josh VanMeter played 3B today -  
Del Shofner : 3/9/2024 3:49 pm : link
28 y/o, another career minor leaguer although a little more MLB experience than Smith. They're really fishing for a backup 3B with Peraza out. Although as Rich says, possible they'll pick someone up at cutdown time.
Peraza out 6-8 weeks  
rich in DC : 3/9/2024 4:12 pm : link
That means not only out for that time, but then likely up to a month of getting himself back in playing shape, followed by a lot of AAA games and ABs.

Next up.
Update on Peraza - ( New Window )
RE: RE: As things stand, the only backup 1B on the roster  
shyster : 3/10/2024 12:04 am : link
In comment 16422619 Mike from SI said:
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Can Wells play 1b? I am confident in his hitting.


Wells did play some 1B in college but has not done so since the Yankees drafted him in 2020.

From all appearances Yanks want him to focus on catching. And if he were to suffer an injury playing 1B, it would be hard to forgive, because he's an important piece.

Great to see him crush that HR today.
another HR for Soto -  
Del Shofner : 3/10/2024 2:35 pm : link
his OPS for the spring is a tidy 1.278...
RE: another HR for Soto -  
GFAN52 : 3/10/2024 2:37 pm : link
In comment 16423360 Del Shofner said:
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his OPS for the spring is a tidy 1.278...


Whatever contract Boras brings to the Yankees they better match it for him. Of course it'll be up to Soto to decide if he want to return to the Yankees.
Nice to see that Soto  
section125 : 3/10/2024 2:39 pm : link
is maintaining his reputation as a deadly batter.
Trevino returns  
section125 : 3/10/2024 2:41 pm : link
with vengeance!
RE: another HR for Soto -  
Del Shofner : 3/10/2024 3:00 pm : link
In comment 16423360 Del Shofner said:
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his OPS for the spring is a tidy 1.278...


apologies ... that's just his slugging % ... his OPS is like 1.8 at this point.
Soto looks good in those pinstripes.  
bceagle05 : 3/10/2024 3:10 pm : link
I think he’s gonna retire a Yankee.
RE: RE: another HR for Soto -  
Mike from SI : 3/10/2024 3:36 pm : link
In comment 16423378 Del Shofner said:
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his OPS for the spring is a tidy 1.278...



apologies ... that's just his slugging % ... his OPS is like 1.8 at this point.


Lol. More meaningful to me is that Rizzo is having a good spring, which confirms again that it was the concussion that turned him into the worst hitter in baseball.
^^^^^  
Del Shofner : 3/10/2024 4:10 pm : link
yeah, would love to see Rizzo come back strong.
Just got tickets for when the Dodgers are in town in June.  
Jim in Hoboken : 3/10/2024 4:17 pm : link
Let's hope Cortes and Schimdt were just working on something.

NY Post article on Stanton, 'new physique' etc. -  
Del Shofner : 3/11/2024 10:58 am : link
trying to be glass half full on him, but I'll believe it when I see it in the regular season. Not that he's looked great in preseason.
Link - ( New Window )
Cole having on MRI on pitching elbow.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/11/2024 11:28 am : link
Season might be over before it even started.

Typical Yankees post 2009.
Went through the highlights of both games today.  
Jim in Hoboken : 3/11/2024 4:57 pm : link
Beeter was sitting 95-96 for the first 3 innings. Then Gil came in and blew the door off. Struck out Harper on a 100mph FB, changeup was at 93 haha. He looked really good.

In the other game, Warren doesn't throw anything straight, but was 93-94 mostly with high of 95.

First Cole now Judge  
Bubba : 3/12/2024 10:53 am : link
having MRI on oblique.
Yankees have been one of the most unlucky  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2024 10:56 am : link
injury prone team that I can remember.
RE: First Cole now Judge  
rnargi : 3/12/2024 11:42 am : link
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having MRI on oblique.


"...and I get on my knees and pray,

We won't get fooled again...

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."
Yankees make new offer for Dylan Cease  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2024 1:03 pm : link
Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
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The Yankees, while awaiting news on Gerrit Cole, have re-engaged with the Chicago White Sox and made a new proposal for ace Dylan Cease, but the new offer once again did not include prized outfield prospect Spencer Jones.


I wonder if the Yankees are fearing the worst now on Cole.
Judge update per ESPN -  
Del Shofner : 3/12/2024 1:07 pm : link
"Judge told reporters Tuesday morning that he underwent an MRI on his abdominal area and said the test did not show any structural damage. The five-time All-Star outfielder said he won't swing a bat until at least later in the week but added that he hopes to be ready for Opening Day."
I don't understand why give up blue chip prospects for Cease  
Stu11 : 3/12/2024 1:12 pm : link
Who has a down year last year when all you have to do is write a check to Snell? Luxury tax? Come on what are we shopping at Walmart?
Cole update at start of today's game..  
rnargi : 3/12/2024 1:13 pm : link
..they said he's going for more tests.
RE: Cole update at start of today's game..  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2024 1:18 pm : link
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..they said he's going for more tests.


Doesn't sound good.
RE: I don't understand why give up blue chip prospects for Cease  
rich in DC : 3/12/2024 2:18 pm : link
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Who has a down year last year when all you have to do is write a check to Snell? Luxury tax? Come on what are we shopping at Walmart?


They would also have to give up 2 draft picks and $1M in international FA money
RE: RE: I don't understand why give up blue chip prospects for Cease  
Stu11 : 3/12/2024 2:33 pm : link
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Who has a down year last year when all you have to do is write a check to Snell? Luxury tax? Come on what are we shopping at Walmart?



They would also have to give up 2 draft picks and $1M in international FA money

I get that but they are not first rounders correct? and as for the international $ so you'd rather give up guys who may be major league ready soon or within a season or so for the promise of a kid in the DR who is currently 15 years old?
RE: RE: Cole update at start of today's game..  
section125 : 3/12/2024 4:10 pm : link
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..they said he's going for more tests.



Doesn't sound good.


Not for nothing, but the MRI would have shown the UCL torn and no further tests would be needed.

RE: RE: RE: Cole update at start of today's game..  
Mike from SI : 3/12/2024 4:25 pm : link
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..they said he's going for more tests.



Doesn't sound good.



Not for nothing, but the MRI would have shown the UCL torn and no further tests would be needed.


How sure are you about this? There are different kinds of MRIs, and maybe it showed something partial? Unfortunately I think this might just be a waiting game.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Cole update at start of today's game..  
section125 : 3/12/2024 4:30 pm : link
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..they said he's going for more tests.



Doesn't sound good.



Not for nothing, but the MRI would have shown the UCL torn and no further tests would be needed.




How sure are you about this? There are different kinds of MRIs, and maybe it showed something partial? Unfortunately I think this might just be a waiting game.


They send guys for MRIs all the time. In an hour or two we hear about a ruptured UCL or not. When was the last time someone was sent for an MRI that the results weren't known almost immediately?

Yes it could be, but to me this indicates the MRI is not showing the UCL is torn. Cannot remember the last time a player was sent and it wasn't clearly shown.

Need to go back and get a radiology degree, I suppose!

Wishful thinking
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