Good morning all. Last season really put a damper on enthusiasm, hasn't it? No threads on ST or Yankees baseball. Even the addition of Juan Soto isn't enough to bring out the "faithful".
With pitchers and catchers reporting, I thought someone would have started a thread. With all this lack of talk, I suppose, most of you are not really expecting much this year. I know I am a bit disappointed with the offseason. Seems like pitching will be Gerrit Cole and some others. BP has a few arms and at least the team seems to find effective pitchers out of the pen.
As much as I love Nestor, I think adding that 3 or 4 mph really stresses his arm and he has trouble staying in the rotation. Schmidt was actually improving through the year and seems to be a reliable 4 or 5. Rodon, meh. Stroman - I liked him a few years back, but is he anything more than a 3 or 4 at this point? Anybody else you want to see from the Minors that could make the lineup?
Anyway, let's get the ball rolling on where we see them going this year. Have to believe Baltimore is still top of AL East with the Blue Jays not far behind.
Our rotation is sketchy after Cole. Adding Snell or Monty would be nice.
Our rotation is sketchy after Cole. Adding Snell or Monty would be nice.
Exactly the way I feel. Would have loved to have signed Snell.
Scott Boras is his agent. He’s hitting free agency
whether or not their 2nd year shortstop can cut down on his Ks and put the ball in play more often. I'll definitely take fewer taters if he would just stop all the upper cuts and square the bat on the ball more often. He could become a fantastic catalyst with higher OBP.
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But was there a known attempt at trying to sign Soto long term? Definitely get this feeling that he won't be here for the long haul. Hope I'm wrong.
Scott Boras is his agent. He’s hitting free agency
Ah certainly makes sense.
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But was there a known attempt at trying to sign Soto long term? Definitely get this feeling that he won't be here for the long haul. Hope I'm wrong.
Scott Boras is his agent. He’s hitting free agency
Or he will wait until late in the season or shortly thereafter. But I believe the word was he would not entertain extensions this year.
I have my doubts.
Nester is in a similar situation, I can see a bounce back year for him and Stroman is a very solid middle of the rotation starter.
The Yankees have young guys that can improve too in Volpe, wells and dominguez. I get that yankee fans are used to being the favorite all the time, but I wouldn't sleep on them.
Nester is in a similar situation, I can see a bounce back year for him and Stroman is a very solid middle of the rotation starter.
The Yankees have young guys that can improve too in Volpe, wells and dominguez. I get that yankee fans are used to being the favorite all the time, but I wouldn't sleep on them.
I’ll second this. Development of the young is critical, can’t have Volpe batting in the low 2’s. DJ and Riz have to have at least an average year. Boone also needs to step up his game and figure out what is going to make this time play hard and win. Will he push the right buttons?
I am not to worried about catcher. Trevino should be back and I thought Wells played well. Yes production won't be great at the plate, but there are just not many above average batting catchers.
I just do not have a big concern with Judge in CF.
Funny, but when was the last time the Yanks had a VG LF? I suppose Verdugo will be there.
This is kinda where I land.
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They won 82 last year. I have my gripes about the offseason but they should be a 90+ win team. They will have one of the very best OBP guys in baseball hitting in front of the most destructive hitter in baseball.
This is kinda where I land.
Yes, I am in the same boat. Soto is a perfect fit for us. Low K rate, high walk rate. That was a much needed addition to the core of the lineup and he is still young. Id have ZERO problem giving him 500m+ this offseason and personally, I think the yankees feel the same way.
As for pitching, we needed a starter. My only gripe was burnes, i think that was a missed opportunity by cashman...even though it would be a rental(potential to sign), it would have been a good move and re-evaluate him and soto in offseason. They made an offer to snell which he turned down (foolishly) and is now unsigned. I fully expect the yanks to circle back on this once snells requests has come back down to earth. He isnt a length guy so it adds some bullpen tax, but he is a very solid pitcher and with some strong run support, he can win a ton of games. Still think he can be a yankee here and that should do wonders for rotation. As others have mentioned, if Rodon returns to form and we get something out of nestor, the staff will be fine but lot of IFs there so adding snell is nice insurance. A rotation of
cole
snell
rodon(returned to form)
cortes
stroman
well... thats pretty nasty.
Def some question marks on the young guys but overall I dont think this team is in bad shape. as mentioned, last year was a disaster(bad breaks, injuries, etc) and they still won 82 games.
Excited for opening day!
Orioles-Kyle Bradish has ucl sprain, John Means is a month behind in his recovery and Gunnar Henderson has oblique soreness.
Puts into perspective that the Yankees had pretty good health coming into camp if Effross and Trevino are really the only ones with injuries
Happens to other teams too
Take an honest assessment of the off-season. No AL East team improved their offense more than the Yanks. Soto alone is 5+ WAR easy.
Volpe may have had a poor year- but that happened to him when he got drafted too. He spent the off-season re-working everything and turned in a monster season. That was reportedly his off-season plan- if he's done it once, he can do it again.
A new hitting coach who is focused on pole-to-pole hitting rather than launch angle helps the whole offense.
Rizzo reportedly is recovered from the concussion that was missed. People forget that he was a .300 hitter with his power returned when he suffered the concussion. The bad stats came when he tried to push through it for 2 months. He might not hit .300 again, but he will be vastly improved (let's say .260 with 30 HR) if he avoids another concussion.
The SP should be better with Stroman's addition. I find it humorous that so many are convinced that Rodon is terrible. He had a bad season- but it stemmed from a forearm injury in ST. I doubt he was ever fully healthy last season, but he pitched because he needed to. Same with Cortes. People are acting like he's never been a SP- he was a SP all through the minors and for the past three years- he might not have reached more than 160 IP in a year- but then again, teams are moving away from that model.
This is a contender people. A real WS contender.
Cashman is squandering resources faster than a jackrabbit running for its life from a wildcat.
His team composition leaves a lot to be desired. When you are depending on player after player, particularly older guys, to bounce back from injuries and sub-standard seasons, and picking up player after player who has failed to cut the mustard elsewhere, and going without sufficient back-up at important positions, you are simply asking for trouble.
Plus all the anal-ytics in the world don't mean shit if you don't draw the correct conclusions, which the Highlanders obviously aren't.
Boone is a poor field manager, particularly when it comes to handling his bull pen. He does a great job of standing up for his players, but his annual destruction of his bull pen far outweighs that.
Levine is complicit in the failures because he won't stand up for what needs to be done - firing Cashman and Boone.
So, I expect another 3rd or 4th place finish and no playoffs again this season.
CAREER.
Career OPS over 1.0 against righties. CAREER.
The Yankees will have two Judge-caliber offensive machines going 2 - 3.
He plays everyday.
Let's enjoy this year and then go from there.
CAREER.
Career OPS over 1.0 against righties. CAREER.
The Yankees will have two Judge-caliber offensive machines going 2 - 3.
He plays everyday.
Let's enjoy this year and then go from there.
Looking forward to see Soto and Judge together. Hoping that Stanton's weight loss has helped him get his muscles loosened.
Yes, when healthy Rodon is really a goo pitcher. Supposedly he lost weight also.
And yes, the return of Rizzo to playing is a huge upgrade. I'd bet his absence cost them 6 or 7 wins minimum.
Yes my enthusiasm is down and a lot may need to be reconstructed before this team can be a real contender that get past the Stros. But I'll watch as always.
And again, that is next year. Enjoy the moment. Or at least try.
Yanks would have won 90+ if Judge isn't out for nearly half the season. They will win 95-100 if both Soto and Judge play 80% of the season. Last year was weird. Fans that hate Cashman and Boone will insist that the chicken finally came home to roost but that's bologna. They were simply besieged with an absurd number of injuries to their best players. It won't happen again.
Other than about 6-7- huge differences from last season, nothing has changed.
Hopefully something will be different with him this year, but you know what they say about doing things over and over and expecting different results.
That said, good points are made above on the optimistic side.
Hopefully something will be different with him this year, but you know what they say about doing things over and over and expecting different results.
That said, good points are made above on the optimistic side.
It's almost a guarantee that Stanton will end up on the injury at some point this season. Even if he get's off to a good start injuries will derail his season as always.
Hopefully something will be different with him this year, but you know what they say about doing things over and over and expecting different results.
I don't agree that the Yankees are doing the same thing over again because they have been clearly reducing his role and importance over the last two seasons. A few seasons ago, Staton was the main Judge protection in the lineup. Then the team brought in Rizzo for that role. Now they have added Soto. I mean at this point, it doesn't matter if the injury results are the same since there is a more diverse offense around Judge
Take an honest assessment of the off-season. No AL East team improved their offense more than the Yanks. Soto alone is 5+ WAR easy.
Volpe may have had a poor year- but that happened to him when he got drafted too. He spent the off-season re-working everything and turned in a monster season. That was reportedly his off-season plan- if he's done it once, he can do it again.
A new hitting coach who is focused on pole-to-pole hitting rather than launch angle helps the whole offense.
Rizzo reportedly is recovered from the concussion that was missed. People forget that he was a .300 hitter with his power returned when he suffered the concussion. The bad stats came when he tried to push through it for 2 months. He might not hit .300 again, but he will be vastly improved (let's say .260 with 30 HR) if he avoids another concussion.
The SP should be better with Stroman's addition. I find it humorous that so many are convinced that Rodon is terrible. He had a bad season- but it stemmed from a forearm injury in ST. I doubt he was ever fully healthy last season, but he pitched because he needed to. Same with Cortes. People are acting like he's never been a SP- he was a SP all through the minors and for the past three years- he might not have reached more than 160 IP in a year- but then again, teams are moving away from that model.
This is a contender people. A real WS contender.
Thank you Rich, for being the of the few informed, smart Yankee fans on this board.
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Rizzo, DJL and Stanton are all a year older at an age where getting a year older is not a good thing in the history of baseball.
And they may be three of the top five Yank hitters on Opening Day, if Torres gets shuffled down to sixth.
The true hope for this team is in the youth: that Volpe, Dominguez, Wells and Jones pan out, in substantial part if not entirety.
Back in December there was some discussion about how high the Yanks really were on Jones. I mentioned that Damon Oppenheimer had just raved about him and doubted they would trade him. That turned out to be true. They wouldn't put him in the deal for Corbin Burnes.
Hope that belief is justified.
Noticed that you posted all your insights on how this will be a good year....oh wait, you didn't. Got nothing to offer - STFU.
I'm not sold on DJ as a leadoff hitter any more - too slow. If Volpe can increase his OBP, I'd like to see him there.
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3rd. Boone loves his lefty righty switch, so maybe DJ-Soto-Judge-Rizzo to start.
I'm not sold on DJ as a leadoff hitter any more - too slow. If Volpe can increase his OBP, I'd like to see him there.
Maybe down the road, but not until Volpe can consistently show high OBP. I think the goal is to make Volpe leadoff long term, but until he shows that his focus has shifted to OBP not HR.
Long term, this is going to be the most competitive division in baseball. The O's have a ridiculously good young team with a new owner, and the Red Sox will have a new owner soon enough.
I'm more concerned about the Yankees' viability in the next 5+ years with Hal getting outspent and outsmarted by our division rivals.
There are reports that Edward Cabrera could be moved. After Peraza gets 2 hits this spring, Cashman should be packing for Torres. I don’t know if they intend on signing Soto, Cashman did refer to Soto’s contract as potentially an one year situation, but that’s however many gazillion there. You have Peraza, Durbin, Serna, Arias coming up the middle now and soon. Why are you still holding onto Torres and looking to sign a pitcher? Sure, I’d take Snell for 6/150 too, but that’d lead to a payroll upwards of 350M.
I guess there is a chance that they are really going all in this year, then letting Torres and Soto walk. Judge and Cole deserve a real chance at a ring.
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While the writer didn’t get into depth, the article at least implies if not states that the Yanks used both analytics (review of the correct arm angle to throw from) and physio therapy (strengthening specific muscle groups to support the whole arm). Interesting stuff.
Will it help him hold up? We’ll see- but the fact that he isn’t scared to let it go anymore might be a hint.
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There are reports that Edward Cabrera could be moved. After Peraza gets 2 hits this spring, Cashman should be packing for Torres. I don’t know if they intend on signing Soto, Cashman did refer to Soto’s contract as potentially an one year situation, but that’s however many gazillion there. You have Peraza, Durbin, Serna, Arias coming up the middle now and soon. Why are you still holding onto Torres and looking to sign a pitcher? Sure, I’d take Snell for 6/150 too, but that’d lead to a payroll upwards of 350M.
I guess there is a chance that they are really going all in this year, then letting Torres and Soto walk. Judge and Cole deserve a real chance at a ring.
I think that what Cashman actually said was misreported.
What he actually said is that the Yanks are unlikely to EXTEND Torres or Soto during the season. That really is not a story- Soto is a Boras client and Boras strongly encourages star players to go to FA to get the best deal possible.
I have my own personal doubts that Torres will be re-signed, so his value is at its peak right now because if he is traded before the start of the season, the team acquiring him can give him a tender offer and get a draft pick when he signs elsewhere. If traded in-season, they cannot make a tender offer.
I agree with moving Torres now- sure that’s a lot of proven ABs out of the lineup- but all indications are that he will be batting no higher than 5th in the lineup and maybe not even that high. Perhaps the Yanks can get a nice back of the rotation SP or a couple decent prospects for him.
IMO, the Yanks need to start transitioning to a younger more athletic team- Torres is a nice hitter, but is frustrating on defense and offers little athletically.
Lots of quotes and feedback from Cole- who is VERY high on Stroman. He did reference Stroman’s ground ball tendencies. I wonder if the Yanks don’t trade Torres whether he will sit when Stroman pitches to get better INF defense out there (like Peraza).
One item I didn’t see reported elsewhere is that the article makes the claim that Jordan Hicks almost signed with the Yanks before he went to SF. Interesting, but I would not have been happy with that signing even as a reliever- walks a LOT of batters.
The Gil write-up is also encouraging. Having 3 effective pitches instead of being yet another FB/slider guy bound for the pen is good news, if it holds up in game action.
Lots to discuss from the articles today. Let’s see if we can have more discussion than a Mets thread for once.
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Not much gonna happen in Tampa this weekend. Been raining since before 10 am this morning and will last through all day tomorrow.
Getting Peraza on the field would be good, perhaps moving Volpe to 2nd base. But the drop off in hitting from Torres to Peraza is big and at the moment lack of hitting is what really kills the Yankees.
I liked Stroman as a FA in 2018/19(?) and hoped the Yanks would get him then.
“The New York Yankees, who offered free-agent starter Blake Snell a five-year, $150 million contract before turning to Marcus Stroman last month, still have serious interest in him,” according to Nightengale. “They are waiting to see if his asking price drops on a long-term deal or if he agrees to take a short-term contract that could pay him in excess of $35 million a year.”
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“The New York Yankees, who offered free-agent starter Blake Snell a five-year, $150 million contract before turning to Marcus Stroman last month, still have serious interest in him,” according to Nightengale. “They are waiting to see if his asking price drops on a long-term deal or if he agrees to take a short-term contract that could pay him in excess of $35 million a year.” Link - ( New Window )
That would make me smile...I like Snell. 5 year deal would get him to 36 y/o?
Keep making offers.
The point is it’s saying the Yankees still have interest. That is big because all we’ve heard to this point is they moved on to Stroman and were out completely on Snell
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would drop in our lap at some point this offseason on a short-term deal. Hope it works out.
His asking price needs to come way down. He is trying to cash in on best season in 5 years. In the previous 4 years, he never topped 128 innings or 8 wins. There's a reason he is sitting on the market with ST starting.
This. The last thing the Yankees need is another injury prone player.
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would drop in our lap at some point this offseason on a short-term deal. Hope it works out.
His asking price needs to come way down. He is trying to cash in on best season in 5 years. In the previous 4 years, he never topped 128 innings or 8 wins. There's a reason he is sitting on the market with ST starting.
This. The last thing the Yankees need is another injury prone player.
Snell on the Yankees' terms makes sense if you're going all in.
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But was there a known attempt at trying to sign Soto long term? Definitely get this feeling that he won't be here for the long haul. Hope I'm wrong.
Scott Boras is his agent. He’s hitting free agency
Boras’s concern for his own rep may get in the way of his clients’ best interest when you’re talking about the money they are putting at risk.
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Key take away from the article- Rodon’s velo is WAY up from last year, back at his 2021 and 2022 levels. This appears to be confirmation that he was never healthy last year with the forearm muscle issues. The Athletic article on Rodon - ( New Window )
Whatever. The Yankee beat reporters are more of a house organ than the Giant's beat reporters, if such a thing were possible. Let's see what he does come the season.
Obviously you never read the article- considering it was The Athletic and not Yankee beat writers. You are nothing if not consistent- bad hot takes all year long.
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With that said, the guy is a walking MASH unit and I’m not getting my hopes up. Still, if they can get 40 quality (and not average) IP out of the guy, I’d be pleasantly surprised.
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would drop in our lap at some point this offseason on a short-term deal. Hope it works out.
His asking price needs to come way down. He is trying to cash in on best season in 5 years. In the previous 4 years, he never topped 128 innings or 8 wins. There's a reason he is sitting on the market with ST starting.
This. The last thing the Yankees need is another injury prone player.
Snell on the Yankees' terms makes sense if you're going all in.
I disagree. In fact, I believe Snell would be a disaster in NY.
The guy throws a LOT of pitches, yet never gets out of the 5th- and sometimes doesn’t even finish the 5th. He walks a LOT of guys, which is a playoff nightmare. To top it off, he’s obviously more interested in a big payday than where he lands, which to me is a HUGE red flag- to me that implies that he’s in it for the payday and has no competitive drive- which is a MUST in NY.
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would drop in our lap at some point this offseason on a short-term deal. Hope it works out.
His asking price needs to come way down. He is trying to cash in on best season in 5 years. In the previous 4 years, he never topped 128 innings or 8 wins. There's a reason he is sitting on the market with ST starting.
This. The last thing the Yankees need is another injury prone player.
Snell on the Yankees' terms makes sense if you're going all in.
I disagree. In fact, I believe Snell would be a disaster in NY.
The guy throws a LOT of pitches, yet never gets out of the 5th- and sometimes doesn’t even finish the 5th. He walks a LOT of guys, which is a playoff nightmare. To top it off, he’s obviously more interested in a big payday than where he lands, which to me is a HUGE red flag- to me that implies that he’s in it for the payday and has no competitive drive- which is a MUST in NY.
Snell pitched 180 innings last season and struck out 234. This idea that he’s a 5 inning pitcher is based on his time with the Rays and had more to do with the Rays thinking they are the smartest team in the history of the sport more than it does Snell. They don’t let their pitchers see a lineup the third time. As far as the playoffs, the last time we seen Snell in the playoffs he was pitching a shutout against the Dodgers in the WS and inexplicably pulled while throwing only 73 pitches. Again, that’s the Rays trying to show the world how brilliant they are, nothing to do with Snell, specifically. He’s also won two Cy Youngs.
Yeah, who needs a guy like that because he wants to be paid? Just like every other free agent in the history of the sport
Snell pitched 180 innings last season and struck out 234. This idea that he’s a 5 inning pitcher is based on his time with the Rays and had more to do with the Rays thinking they are the smartest team in the history of the sport more than it does Snell. They don’t let their pitchers see a lineup the third time. As far as the playoffs, the last time we seen Snell in the playoffs he was pitching a shutout against the Dodgers in the WS and inexplicably pulled while throwing only 73 pitches. Again, that’s the Rays trying to show the world how brilliant they are, nothing to do with Snell, specifically. He’s also won two Cy Youngs.
Yeah, who needs a guy like that because he wants to be paid? Just like every other free agent in the history of the sport
Have to agree with BBS, rich in DC. Snell is a very good pitcher. I'd definitely roll the dice on a 1 year deal. I might even go 4 years...
With that said, the guy is a walking MASH unit and I’m not getting my hopes up. Still, if they can get 40 quality (and not average) IP out of the guy, I’d be pleasantly surprised.
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Check out Burdi from last season. Ignore the crazy graphics. The guy was throwing 100 mph.
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"A noticeably slimmer Stanton reported to spring training Monday following an offseason in which his workouts were “more movement-based” with a simple goal in mind."
“Be a baseball player again,” Stanton said at his locker at Steinbrenner Field. “I just needed to be more mobile. A lot of setbacks [last season] kept me not moving the way I’d like to be.”
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No, his velocity has been consistent. Are you thinking of Bieber maybe?
I disagree. In fact, I believe Snell would be a disaster in NY.
The guy throws a LOT of pitches, yet never gets out of the 5th- and sometimes doesn’t even finish the 5th. He walks a LOT of guys, which is a playoff nightmare. To top it off, he’s obviously more interested in a big payday than where he lands, which to me is a HUGE red flag- to me that implies that he’s in it for the payday and has no competitive drive- which is a MUST in NY.
I disagree that Snell is a playoff nightmare. His career postseason numbers are quite good. He does walk a lot of batters but it's not like his command is all over the place. From Fangraphs (linked below and there's a lot of data that supports this in the article)
That he has a propensity for giving up walks and preventing runs forces us to consider that walks alone might not be the best encapsulation of his command. His ability to live around the edges and leave his misses in low risk locations is a skill.
Also your last point is an assumption that may not reflect reality at all, especially when Boras is his agent. The Yankees offer is the only known one and it was pretty far off his projections. Turning it down isn't an indictment on whether or not he wants to win, especially when we're in the dark as to what his market is to begin with.
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I wonder if teams ask Boras about that contract.
I wonder if teams ask Boras about that contract.
What an absolute nightmare signing for the Angels. Vernon Wells part 2.
Before I go into on the field only mode, I have a few observations from a fan that's followed the Yankees for about 60 years.
1. I can't remember a time since the 1994 strike ended that the Yankee fan base was this apathetic. This year is the first time I've been getting "offers" from the Yankees for everything from buy one, get one free spring training tickets to $5000 for a private game suite in the Bronx and everything in between. Apparently, plenty of good seats are still available in the Bronx and Tampa.
2. The "management" of the Yankees has no idea how to "fix" things to get the fan base excited. The owner is perceived as bean counter, more interested in his bottom line than his won/loss record. The team president conducts himself as an embarrassing, ineffective bully and buffoon. The senior vice president and general manager is desperate to save his job and his "legacy" which has led to a top heavy roster of Judge, Cole and The Mysterians which doesn't seem to be inspiring former Yankee ticket buyers or the rest of the fan base.
3. I think #2 is what has caused #1 and there is no hope for change in sight. I’m not sure anything less than a World Series appearance will change the malaise era we’re in.
I listened to a podcast last week with Andy Martino and he said he's written a book that will be released on May 14th called:
The Yankee Way: The Untold Inside Story of the Brian Cashman Era.
He claims this book will help explain the excellence of the Yankees front office. One of the examples he mentioned is that when you read this book, you'll understand why trading Jordan Montgomery for Harrison Bader was well thought out and a good move.
He said something we’ve heard before. That the Yankees front office makes every move in vacuum, so they are evaluating each transaction on its own merits, and you’ll see why they all made sense and were well thought out at the time when you read the book.
I wonder how you can build a correct puzzle without looking at all the pieces, without a thought for how they fit the finished picture? That's something the Yankees front office wants to admit or worse brag about?
What do you guys think? If a front office explains their thinking for making a trade and the trade turns out horribly. Do they get a pass because it seemed like a good idea at the time? Martino talked a little but about Joey Gallo being acquired for defense and why that made sense too. I know for a fact that the majority of us who post here thought it was idiotic to add another guy who strikeouts out record rates to the Yankees lineup at the time. Who didn’t see how that was going to go except the Yankees front office?
I thought Bob Klapish had already written the Cashman legacy book in 2019. It was called Inside the Empire: The True Power Behind the New York Yankees. We need another Cashman book? I guess one book detailing the genius of a top 3 payroll for over a decade without a World Series appearance wasn't enough?
Turning to the 2024 season on the field. I think the front office has improved the offense on paper, it's gotten younger and better bats in the outfield, I'm excited to watch Soto play. I'm curious to see how Verdugo fits in after quickly wearing out his welcome with the Dodgers and the Red Sox. Maybe the 3rd team is the charm. The Yankees have added a few questionable reputation players this off season. Maybe those players can bring something that helps with the daily grind and fuels a competitive edge that’s been missing. Maybe the gift of desperation helps to cure the less than intense play on the field the last few years?
I'm curious to see how Stanton and Torres handle the pressure they're both under. I'm skeptical that Stanton will be a positive contributor and I think the Torres questions about being a free agent at the end of the year are going to get old for him very quickly. With a good year Torres can play himself into life changing money. Personally, I’ll take the under on Torres. I wanted the Yankees to trade him after 2019.
I'm curious to see if Volpe gets away from swinging as hard as he can and trying to pull every pitch. For all the hype he was one of the worst offensive players in MLB last year. I still don't think he has the arm to stay at SS but his OBP is more important to me at this point. His defense was good enough last year. The Yankees need him to be on base 35% or more of the time and score a lot of runs. I think the infield depth will be tested. I expect both DJ and Rizzo to wear and/or break down as the season progresses. I hope I’m wrong.
The Yankees have 5 catchers on their 40 man. Trevino is the only one with any kind of positive MLB track record and he’s already injured (calf). Supposedly minor nothing to worry about. We will see. Ben Rortvedt was Cole’s personal catcher for a while last year, but Cole is probably a better hitter. Rortvedt has minor league options left. The Yankees want Austin Wells to hit enough that his defense is tolerable enough for him to get the bulk of the MLB at bats. Not many people I’ve read or heard think he can catch at the MLB level. I hope he can. A lefthanded catcher who can hit for some power would be a big lift for the lineup. Carlos Narvaez finished 2023 at AAA. Agustin Ramirez finished 2023 at AA. The Yankees also brought back Luis Torrens on a minor league invite. Rule 5 may have ruined his career. He’s never hit but also never gotten much of a chance to play regularly. He’s still only 28 years old without much tread on his tires. There is certainly a lot of catching depth but I’m not sure if there’s a plus everyday catcher when you combine offense and defense.
To me the pitching staff is Cole and the question marks. I have my fingers crossed hoping that Cole can throw another 200 innings near his 2023 level. I think Rodon, Stroman and Cortes are boom or bust based on their health/injuries again. All of them were hurt last year. IMO if the Yankees are going to be a top of the league team 3 of their top 4 starters are going to have to take almost all of their turns and be very good.
After those 4 there’s Clarke Schmidt who had a 93 ERA+ last year in 159 innings which was 100 more than his previous career high, rookies and AAAA players. If 2 of the top 4 starters get hurt or pitch poorly, we have to hope for a few big surprises from the Schmidt group.
The one consensus I hear and read from across all of the media is that the Yankees front office knows how to build a bullpen and that the Yankees will have a very good bullpen in 2024. What am I missing? Clay Holmes has had 2 really good seasons in a row. 2022 was a little bit better than 2023. In 2023 there were stretches where he couldn’t throw strikes, but he had a 155 and 152 ERA+ in 2022 and 2023. I think we would all sign up for a 150 ERA + in 2024. After Holmes the rest of the bullpen projects as Jonathan Loáisiga, Ian Hamilton, Tommy Kahnle, Caleb Ferguson, Victor González, Luke Weaver and Ron Marinaccio. Do those names inspire confidence for anyone?
Unlike the football, baseball is played almost every day and unlike the football season the baseball season lasts 7 months. Things can change from a peak to a valley or vis versa in 2 weeks. Most of us will overreact in both directions during that roller coaster even though at this point we should know better.
I’ve read and heard that the Yankees front office and top players (Judge and Cole) think that a portion of last year’s injuries and slow start were from a lack of off-season training and commitment. Hopefully that’s not the case this year. At the end of last year Judge talked about not using April as extended spring training. I hope the manager and front office were listening. This what Gerrit Cole said the other day during an interview.
I know it was only a brief stint with Wells behind the plate, but he looked ok to me. As far as Trevino - he is already catching, so it is probably more of a tweak than injury.
It will be interesting to see how Stanton's loss of weight helps him. He was so stiff in previous seasons it is not surprising he was always pulling something. He hits the ball 15% to 20% harder than almost everyone, so he doesn't need all the muscle. I bet he still connects at the 112 mph range.
Not sure what to think with Verdugo - not one of my favorites, but that usually means he played well against the Yankees.
I do expect Cortes to have occasional issues because he tries to get so much out of his arm - lots of extra stress.
Finally - the pen. Whatever Cashman and Co. have done, building a pen is the one thing they do well. I suspect they will pick up additional arms before the spring is over.
I sure do wish Hal would spend more, and that Cash and the front office did things differently, but we're in a much better situation than almost every other fan base, besides who, the Dodgers, Braves, Texas Rangers, Astros, maybe Orioles? Imagine if the NY Giants fans could say that.
We're not going to be the '98 Yankees but we also won't be the 2023 Yankees.
I have a feeling Gleyber will have a monster pre-FA year. (However, there is some chance he over-tries and sucks, but I'm betting on the big season.)
If there are going to be big discounts due to fan apathy, I will be sure to take advantage.
All that said, I totally get why people are pissed.
They were never getting Yamamato. Like Ohtani, he was a West Coast player from the get go..
Well we know that now, but there was legit excitement over the past year and it was still a letdown when it became official.
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They were never getting Yamamato. Like Ohtani, he was a West Coast player from the get go..
Well we know that now, but there was legit excitement over the past year and it was still a letdown when it became official.
After the Ohtani debacle years before, you had to know in the back of your head he was staying out West. There was a tiny chance he would pick the Yanks or Mets.
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They were never getting Yamamato. Like Ohtani, he was a West Coast player from the get go..
Well we know that now, but there was legit excitement over the past year and it was still a letdown when it became official.
After the Ohtani debacle years before, you had to know in the back of your head he was staying out West. There was a tiny chance he would pick the Yanks or Mets.
Yep, the Yankees were never seriously considered. Also when the Dodgers were able to defer most of Ohtani's salary, it was a clear sign he was headed there. I wouldn't doubt that Ohtani and Yamamoto worked this out well before free agency even started.
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They were never getting Yamamato. Like Ohtani, he was a West Coast player from the get go..
Well we know that now, but there was legit excitement over the past year and it was still a letdown when it became official.
After the Ohtani debacle years before, you had to know in the back of your head he was staying out West. There was a tiny chance he would pick the Yanks or Mets.
Yep, the Yankees were never seriously considered. Also when the Dodgers were able to defer most of Ohtani's salary, it was a clear sign he was headed there. I wouldn't doubt that Ohtani and Yamamoto worked this out well before free agency even started.
Yep, use the Yanks and Mets to sweeten the pot and then take the Dodgers cash.
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They were never getting Yamamato. Like Ohtani, he was a West Coast player from the get go..
Well we know that now, but there was legit excitement over the past year and it was still a letdown when it became official.
After the Ohtani debacle years before, you had to know in the back of your head he was staying out West. There was a tiny chance he would pick the Yanks or Mets.
Yep, the Yankees were never seriously considered. Also when the Dodgers were able to defer most of Ohtani's salary, it was a clear sign he was headed there. I wouldn't doubt that Ohtani and Yamamoto worked this out well before free agency even started.
Yep, use the Yanks and Mets to sweeten the pot and then take the Dodgers cash.
Also looks like the latest Yankees "interest" in Snell was nothing more that fake news leaked by his agent Boras to generate some interest by other teams, if you believe Michael Kay and his contacts.
Also looks like the latest Yankees "interest" in Snell was nothing more that fake news leaked by his agent Boras to generate some interest by other teams, if you believe Michael Kay and his contacts.
Or the Yankees mouth piece is countering Boras' leak. It is lying season, even in baseball.
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would drop in our lap at some point this offseason on a short-term deal. Hope it works out.
His asking price needs to come way down. He is trying to cash in on best season in 5 years. In the previous 4 years, he never topped 128 innings or 8 wins. There's a reason he is sitting on the market with ST starting.
This. The last thing the Yankees need is another injury prone player.
Snell on the Yankees' terms makes sense if you're going all in.
I disagree. In fact, I believe Snell would be a disaster in NY.
The guy throws a LOT of pitches, yet never gets out of the 5th- and sometimes doesn’t even finish the 5th. He walks a LOT of guys, which is a playoff nightmare. To top it off, he’s obviously more interested in a big payday than where he lands, which to me is a HUGE red flag- to me that implies that he’s in it for the payday and has no competitive drive- which is a MUST in NY.
Snell pitched 180 innings last season and struck out 234. This idea that he’s a 5 inning pitcher is based on his time with the Rays and had more to do with the Rays thinking they are the smartest team in the history of the sport more than it does Snell. They don’t let their pitchers see a lineup the third time. As far as the playoffs, the last time we seen Snell in the playoffs he was pitching a shutout against the Dodgers in the WS and inexplicably pulled while throwing only 73 pitches. Again, that’s the Rays trying to show the world how brilliant they are, nothing to do with Snell, specifically. He’s also won two Cy Youngs.
Yeah, who needs a guy like that because he wants to be paid? Just like every other free agent in the history of the sport
Big miss there bub.
Take a look at the link below- even if the Rays limited him in some way (the facts don’t bear this out, but whatever), when you look at his average Innings per start, the first year with the padres, he didn’t even average 5 innings per start.
Year 2 and 3- both with the Padres- he averaged just over 5 innings per start.
Use facts, not made up thoughts
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Before I go into on the field only mode, I have a few observations from a fan that's followed the Yankees for about 60 years.
1. I can't remember a time since the 1994 strike ended that the Yankee fan base was this apathetic. This year is the first time I've been getting "offers" from the Yankees for everything from buy one, get one free spring training tickets to $5000 for a private game suite in the Bronx and everything in between. Apparently, plenty of good seats are still available in the Bronx and Tampa.
2. The "management" of the Yankees has no idea how to "fix" things to get the fan base excited. The owner is perceived as bean counter, more interested in his bottom line than his won/loss record. The team president conducts himself as an embarrassing, ineffective bully and buffoon. The senior vice president and general manager is desperate to save his job and his "legacy" which has led to a top heavy roster of Judge, Cole and The Mysterians which doesn't seem to be inspiring former Yankee ticket buyers or the rest of the fan base.
3. I think #2 is what has caused #1 and there is no hope for change in sight. I’m not sure anything less than a World Series appearance will change the malaise era we’re in.
I listened to a podcast last week with Andy Martino and he said he's written a book that will be released on May 14th called:
The Yankee Way: The Untold Inside Story of the Brian Cashman Era.
He claims this book will help explain the excellence of the Yankees front office. One of the examples he mentioned is that when you read this book, you'll understand why trading Jordan Montgomery for Harrison Bader was well thought out and a good move.
He said something we’ve heard before. That the Yankees front office makes every move in vacuum, so they are evaluating each transaction on its own merits, and you’ll see why they all made sense and were well thought out at the time when you read the book.
I wonder how you can build a correct puzzle without looking at all the pieces, without a thought for how they fit the finished picture? That's something the Yankees front office wants to admit or worse brag about?
What do you guys think? If a front office explains their thinking for making a trade and the trade turns out horribly. Do they get a pass because it seemed like a good idea at the time? Martino talked a little but about Joey Gallo being acquired for defense and why that made sense too. I know for a fact that the majority of us who post here thought it was idiotic to add another guy who strikeouts out record rates to the Yankees lineup at the time. Who didn’t see how that was going to go except the Yankees front office?
I thought Bob Klapish had already written the Cashman legacy book in 2019. It was called Inside the Empire: The True Power Behind the New York Yankees. We need another Cashman book? I guess one book detailing the genius of a top 3 payroll for over a decade without a World Series appearance wasn't enough?
Turning to the 2024 season on the field. I think the front office has improved the offense on paper, it's gotten younger and better bats in the outfield, I'm excited to watch Soto play. I'm curious to see how Verdugo fits in after quickly wearing out his welcome with the Dodgers and the Red Sox. Maybe the 3rd team is the charm. The Yankees have added a few questionable reputation players this off season. Maybe those players can bring something that helps with the daily grind and fuels a competitive edge that’s been missing. Maybe the gift of desperation helps to cure the less than intense play on the field the last few years?
I'm curious to see how Stanton and Torres handle the pressure they're both under. I'm skeptical that Stanton will be a positive contributor and I think the Torres questions about being a free agent at the end of the year are going to get old for him very quickly. With a good year Torres can play himself into life changing money. Personally, I’ll take the under on Torres. I wanted the Yankees to trade him after 2019.
I'm curious to see if Volpe gets away from swinging as hard as he can and trying to pull every pitch. For all the hype he was one of the worst offensive players in MLB last year. I still don't think he has the arm to stay at SS but his OBP is more important to me at this point. His defense was good enough last year. The Yankees need him to be on base 35% or more of the time and score a lot of runs. I think the infield depth will be tested. I expect both DJ and Rizzo to wear and/or break down as the season progresses. I hope I’m wrong.
The Yankees have 5 catchers on their 40 man. Trevino is the only one with any kind of positive MLB track record and he’s already injured (calf). Supposedly minor nothing to worry about. We will see. Ben Rortvedt was Cole’s personal catcher for a while last year, but Cole is probably a better hitter. Rortvedt has minor league options left. The Yankees want Austin Wells to hit enough that his defense is tolerable enough for him to get the bulk of the MLB at bats. Not many people I’ve read or heard think he can catch at the MLB level. I hope he can. A lefthanded catcher who can hit for some power would be a big lift for the lineup. Carlos Narvaez finished 2023 at AAA. Agustin Ramirez finished 2023 at AA. The Yankees also brought back Luis Torrens on a minor league invite. Rule 5 may have ruined his career. He’s never hit but also never gotten much of a chance to play regularly. He’s still only 28 years old without much tread on his tires. There is certainly a lot of catching depth but I’m not sure if there’s a plus everyday catcher when you combine offense and defense.
To me the pitching staff is Cole and the question marks. I have my fingers crossed hoping that Cole can throw another 200 innings near his 2023 level. I think Rodon, Stroman and Cortes are boom or bust based on their health/injuries again. All of them were hurt last year. IMO if the Yankees are going to be a top of the league team 3 of their top 4 starters are going to have to take almost all of their turns and be very good.
After those 4 there’s Clarke Schmidt who had a 93 ERA+ last year in 159 innings which was 100 more than his previous career high, rookies and AAAA players. If 2 of the top 4 starters get hurt or pitch poorly, we have to hope for a few big surprises from the Schmidt group.
The one consensus I hear and read from across all of the media is that the Yankees front office knows how to build a bullpen and that the Yankees will have a very good bullpen in 2024. What am I missing? Clay Holmes has had 2 really good seasons in a row. 2022 was a little bit better than 2023. In 2023 there were stretches where he couldn’t throw strikes, but he had a 155 and 152 ERA+ in 2022 and 2023. I think we would all sign up for a 150 ERA + in 2024. After Holmes the rest of the bullpen projects as Jonathan Loáisiga, Ian Hamilton, Tommy Kahnle, Caleb Ferguson, Victor González, Luke Weaver and Ron Marinaccio. Do those names inspire confidence for anyone?
Unlike the football, baseball is played almost every day and unlike the football season the baseball season lasts 7 months. Things can change from a peak to a valley or vis versa in 2 weeks. Most of us will overreact in both directions during that roller coaster even though at this point we should know better.
I’ve read and heard that the Yankees front office and top players (Judge and Cole) think that a portion of last year’s injuries and slow start were from a lack of off-season training and commitment. Hopefully that’s not the case this year. At the end of last year Judge talked about not using April as extended spring training. I hope the manager and front office were listening. This what Gerrit Cole said the other day during an interview.
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"By and large you need to prepare in the offseason well," Cole offered when asked how to improve injury prevention. "This isn’t how it used to be even 10 years ago or so when I started where guys would come in and use spring training as a ramp-up. There’s a higher level of intensity much sooner and that forces the demand on the player to build a tank up, to build a capacity and tolerance in the offseason, that’s going to be your number one goal.”
WOW- holy lack of self-awareness Batman!
People on this site are NOT apathetic- they have been driven away by the constant moaning about how much you and others hate Cashman and how everything he does is wrong and only you are right.
In case you haven’t noticed (lack of self-awareness) NO ONE CARES about how much you hate Cashman. We want to talk about the Yanks, but the game threads are a crap fest that routinely gets taken over by the Cashman haters.
You even turn the ONLY positive thread we’ve had in months into a cesspool in just a single (novel length) post.
PLEASE GO AWAY and leave Yankee threads alone. Your anti-Cashman routine is old, tired and NO ONE CARES
He did the same thing after his terrible first season in the minors- and that went VERY well. If he can do it once, I believe he can do it again!
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Sad and pathetic.
Noticed that you posted all your insights on how this will be a good year....oh wait, you didn't. Got nothing to offer - STFU.
Lol. Sad.
Says the guy that still offers nothing while doing exactly what he says others do....
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Heard or read somewhere that Volpe was working on his swing. So, let’s see how he does.
He did the same thing after his terrible first season in the minors- and that went VERY well. If he can do it once, I believe he can do it again!
If you stop adjusting you aren’t going to last in the majors. I’m hopeful for the kid. One thing I like seeing for prospects coming up is them having a bit of adversity early in their minor league career and having to make adjustments to the level of competition.
From now on when I address you it will be as the Paul Dottino of the Yankee threads on BBI. Rich in DC Dottino. It's catchy.
I find it rather fascist of you to try to silence any dissent pertaining to your hero's in the Yankees front office. I don't like it.
I'm going to continue to exercise my free speech on all things Yankees. I enjoy it.
I read your typical pollyanna Yankee colored glasses assessment of how you think the 2024 season is going to play out. I added mine on top of it. Let's see what happens. I hope you're right and can hammer me on my opinions when 2024 ends.
I said I would stick to the on field product after that post and I intend to. My feelings about how the Yankees have conducted business are on record.
I hope you never go way. I would miss you. Yankee threads would. be no fun to me if everyone had the same opinions.
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Is it shilling for Boras, or does Boras happen to be agent for the players that the Yankees should be looking at. Can you name other SPs that the Yanks should be interested in signing?
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continues to shill for the Yankees getting Boras clients Snell, Monty, and Cease--it's getting pretty annoying at this point tbh.
Is it shilling for Boras, or does Boras happen to be agent for the players that the Yankees should be looking at. Can you name other SPs that the Yanks should be interested in signing?
This might be true but Heyman’s track record indicates that he’s shilling for Boras. He could have thrown in say Shane Bieber or Clevinger, 2 guys who have history with Blake but aren’t repped by Boras but he didn’t.
What I don’t like is the narrative that all of Cashman’s trades and moves can be explained, even if the results turned out disastrous, like nothing he does is ever wrong. By the rationale I’d have a perfect SAT score, and GPA too. I am sure I can explain every single one of my wrong answers too.
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continues to shill for the Yankees getting Boras clients Snell, Monty, and Cease--it's getting pretty annoying at this point tbh.
Is it shilling for Boras, or does Boras happen to be agent for the players that the Yankees should be looking at. Can you name other SPs that the Yanks should be interested in signing?
This might be true but Heyman’s track record indicates that he’s shilling for Boras. He could have thrown in say Shane Bieber or Clevinger, 2 guys who have history with Blake but aren’t repped by Boras but he didn’t.
It may be true, but we also know Kay is shilling for the Yanks. Basically, it doesn't matter and I don't care who reps for who. Just sign the guys you want if the contract is acceptable.
Is it just me or is it strange that the Yankees have had 3 position players over the past 6 or 7 years have to have TJ surgery. First Didi, then Hicks and now Domínguez. I don't like hearing that Domínguez is rushing back. Didi and Hicks were never the same and Domínguez is just a baby baseball wise.
How often do position players need TJ surgery? I know Harper had it and now he's a 1B going forward.
I never read anything about how Domínguez got hurt. All of sudden after one good week he needed an operation on his arm. Why? What happened?
Higashioka too.
Is it just me or is it strange that the Yankees have had 3 position players over the past 6 or 7 years have to have TJ surgery. First Didi, then Hicks and now Domínguez. I don't like hearing that Domínguez is rushing back. Didi and Hicks were never the same and Domínguez is just a baby baseball wise.
How often do position players need TJ surgery? I know Harper had it and now he's a 1B going forward.
I never read anything about how Domínguez got hurt. All of sudden after one good week he needed an operation on his arm. Why? What happened?
Because throwing a baseball is an unnatural motion that puts a lot of pressure on the elbow and shoulder. Many times the UCL is damaged in youth baseball with kids pitching far too much before their arm structure is developed. I wrecked my shoulder throwing softballs in college as hard as I could while playing outfield.
Hicks threw 100+ mph. How many hard throws did Didi make from SS, off balance, across his body from deep in the hole. All that stress starts tearing fibers of the ligament. I think eventually it just gives up and lets loose.
Is it just me or is it strange that the Yankees have had 3 position players over the past 6 or 7 years have to have TJ surgery. First Didi, then Hicks and now Domínguez. I don't like hearing that Domínguez is rushing back. Didi and Hicks were never the same and Domínguez is just a baby baseball wise.
How often do position players need TJ surgery? I know Harper had it and now he's a 1B going forward.
I never read anything about how Domínguez got hurt. All of sudden after one good week he needed an operation on his arm. Why? What happened?
You should do some research. Position players having TJ surgery is much more common than you think. This isn’t exclusive to the Yankees, no matter how much you want it to be
I’ve said for years that Stanton’s problems stem from being muscle-bound. He can’t get to pitches that force him to extend or pull his arms in because he didn’t have the flexibility.
Hopefully the Yanks S&T coaches finally got through to him.
I’m not saying he recaptures the MVP level play, but even regaining normal flexibility should allow him to at least be a helpful offensive player rather than the detriment he’s been for several years running.
Is it just me or is it strange that the Yankees have had 3 position players over the past 6 or 7 years have to have TJ surgery. First Didi, then Hicks and now Domínguez. I don't like hearing that Domínguez is rushing back. Didi and Hicks were never the same and Domínguez is just a baby baseball wise.
How often do position players need TJ surgery? I know Harper had it and now he's a 1B going forward.
I never read anything about how Domínguez got hurt. All of sudden after one good week he needed an operation on his arm. Why? What happened?
THIS is what irritates me more than anything- the passive aggressive attacks where you intentionally throw stones at the Yankees, but then say I’m not attacking anyone.
Just be honest- you hate Cashman, Hal and everything connected to this iteration of this team. Playing the fool only makes you more of one.
I think the player needs to be willing to do that, right? I doubt Snell is.
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I think the player needs to be willing to do that, right? I doubt Snell is.
Yeah... Ohtani has unprecedented income from endorsements and what not.
You are right. Bad on me for engaging the troll.
From now on, I will not read or respond to anything he posts.
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Might very well help with injuries this year. The guy the giants hired as the player performance head has done a lot of work with collecting data on bone to muscle mass ratio and how it affects injuries. Once you get over a certain ratio you are more injury prone.
I’ve said for years that Stanton’s problems stem from being muscle-bound. He can’t get to pitches that force him to extend or pull his arms in because he didn’t have the flexibility.
Hopefully the Yanks S&T coaches finally got through to him.
I’m not saying he recaptures the MVP level play, but even regaining normal flexibility should allow him to at least be a helpful offensive player rather than the detriment he’s been for several years running.
I agree with this. I think GS is making changes for the better wrt weight training and improved flexibility. I think it's an honest approach at reducing the number and severity of his lower body injuries and also at improving his sprint speed back to a decent number. I'm encouraged by what were hearing.
I would note that the players who have deferred did not have Boras as their agent. I also seem to recall that Boras came out against that.
“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt” -Mark Twain
I was asking a legit question about TJ surgeries. If I want to flush the 3 Yankee management turds, I'll pull the handle.
Didi had his TJ surgery on October 17, 2018. Since that date 143 additional MLB players have had TJ surgery. Out of the 144 players including Didi, 132 of them were pitchers. 91.7% pitchers. 8.3% position players.
Didi, Aaron Hicks and Jasson Dominguez, three Yankees, account for 25% of all MLB position players who have had TJ surgery since October 17, 2018. Unfortunate luck for Yankee fans. Really unfortunate luck for Didi since he is the only SS on the list.
Expanding the list to include, High School players, College players, Rookie League players and all MiLB players who are/were part of MLB organizations along with the 144 MLB players that have had TJ surgery since October 17, 2018, the number of total procedures becomes 578. 540 of the procedures were performed on pitchers. 93.4% pitchers. 6.6% position players. Out of the 578, 24 were Yankees organization players. 4 were position players..
Let's recap:
8.3% of MLB TJ's were position players. 12 total, 3 Yankees. 25%.
When factoring in players from High School through MLB,
6.6% of all TJ's were position players. 38 total. 4 Yankees (Spencer Jones in 2020). 10.5%
So I think it's fair to say that if a dedicated follower of the Yankees finds it peculiar (or thinks without researching it) that Yankee position players required Tommy John surgery more than most other teams position players over that time frame, it's likely because the situation is indeed unusual.
Thanks for helping clear that up Rich.
“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt” -Mark Twain
I was asking a legit question about TJ surgeries. If I want to flush the 3 Yankee management turds, I'll pull the handle.
Didi had his TJ surgery on October 17, 2018. Since that date 143 additional MLB players have had TJ surgery. Out of the 144 players including Didi, 132 of them were pitchers. 91.7% pitchers. 8.3% position players.
Didi, Aaron Hicks and Jasson Dominguez, three Yankees, account for 25% of all MLB position players who have had TJ surgery since October 17, 2018. Unfortunate luck for Yankee fans. Really unfortunate luck for Didi since he is the only SS on the list.
Expanding the list to include, High School players, College players, Rookie League players and all MiLB players who are/were part of MLB organizations along with the 144 MLB players that have had TJ surgery since October 17, 2018, the number of total procedures becomes 578. 540 of the procedures were performed on pitchers. 93.4% pitchers. 6.6% position players. Out of the 578, 24 were Yankees organization players. 4 were position players..
Let's recap:
8.3% of MLB TJ's were position players. 12 total, 3 Yankees. 25%.
When factoring in players from High School through MLB,
6.6% of all TJ's were position players. 38 total. 4 Yankees (Spencer Jones in 2020). 10.5%
So I think it's fair to say that if a dedicated follower of the Yankees finds it peculiar (or thinks without researching it) that Yankee position players required Tommy John surgery more than most other teams position players over that time frame, it's likely because the situation is indeed unusual.
Thanks for helping clear that up Rich.
It is an anomaly at best. There is nothing there. Didi came from another org. Hicks throws harder than 95% of all MLB pitchers and who knows what Dominguez did - he was likely playing way too much baseball as a kid and severely weakened that ligament throwing far too often.
I actually do not see any correlation.
They also don’t shy away from pitchers with medical red flags. Drafting Schmidt knowing he’d need TJ seems to be working out, but Beck will be 25 before he hits AA.
They also don’t shy away from pitchers with medical red flags. Drafting Schmidt knowing he’d need TJ seems to be working out, but Beck will be 25 before he hits AA.
This is a bit of a silly quibble. Pitching by nature is a risky venture and ANY pitcher, regardless of size or build can get hurt on any pitch. It’s an inherent risk that all teams account for and the wiser ones work on rehab process and improving the pitchers stuff during the down time rather than worrying about who they draft and whether they fit a prototypical mold.
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Also keep in mind that the Yanks regularly draft guys who they hold back after the draft and don’t send them out to play until the next season. That leads to guys coming out of nowhere and blowing people away- like Thorpe last year.
This year, I suggest watching 2023 3rd rounder Kyle Carr- an experienced juco SP who the Yanks sent to the “gas station” in Tampa for work. He might be the new surprise.
Another possibility could be 11th rounder Josh Grosz- he was moderately successful at East Carolina- two pitch guy. The Yanks probably sent him to the station for a velo update and likely to learn a new pitch or two.
I’m sure there will be position guy updates coming soon
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Thanks for posting that link. I know the Yanks probably pushed out some of that positive information from their PR department, but several of those guys do look very interesting. Would love for a couple of rookie pitchers to make an impact this year, maybe later in the year.
Also keep in mind that the Yanks regularly draft guys who they hold back after the draft and don’t send them out to play until the next season. That leads to guys coming out of nowhere and blowing people away- like Thorpe last year.
This year, I suggest watching 2023 3rd rounder Kyle Carr- an experienced juco SP who the Yanks sent to the “gas station” in Tampa for work. He might be the new surprise.
Another possibility could be 11th rounder Josh Grosz- he was moderately successful at East Carolina- two pitch guy. The Yanks probably sent him to the station for a velo update and likely to learn a new pitch or two.
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Thanks for the links. With many of these prospects being International signings, you can see the Yankees hesitation in signing Snell and losing $1 million in the signing pool money.
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Caught my eye because what I've seen of DJLM at the plate so far isn't encouraging. He's been great but he's 35.
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You do realize it’s spring training. Basing DJLM performance on early spring training performance is rediculous.
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One AL scout, who watched Volpe during his minor league development, in 2023 in the majors and now this spring: "This is the guy I saw (in the minors). I didn't recognize the guy at the plate last year, trying to pull the ball 450 feet. Seems like he's getting back to who he is."
He's very active on Twitter but doesn't come around these parts all that often anymore. He does usually show up at some point to discuss the Yankees minors, I think usually around the draft.
I believe he posts on twitter
Keep in mind the Rortvelt and Jones (the recent waiver add) do NOT have minor league options remaining- meaning that to be sent to the minors, they have to pass through waivers- and C usually get grabbed on waivers because of the low bar to be a ML C.
That means that the non-roster guys know there is room for them if needed- so while Burdi is the front-runner for a spot, we may begin to hear about others pushing for a spot.
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From your lips to God's ears...this would change everything.
It doesn’t look like Torres will be moved, maybe they are just going to have him play out the contract. They are around 200M for payroll in 2025, you figure 50M for Soto I doubt they will throw 25M at Torres.
I read somewhere Peraza is hurt again. Use him at 3B if DJ can’t fins the fountain of youth. I wouldn’t mind packaging him and Pereira for pitching though. Maybe he just isn’t meant to play for the Yanks.
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obviously the pitchers looked good, the hitters not so much. DJLM struck out in both at-bats, he does not look good. Hope we're not counting on him too much.
You do realize it’s spring training. Basing DJLM performance on early spring training performance is ridiculous.
DJLM hasn't hit his career OPS in 2 full seasons now. He's just not the same hitter anymore. To me he's ideally suited as a utility player.
Lol not far off. I have learned when great talent meets hard work, prep and timing (FA walk year) exect a monster season more often than not. Soto is going to go bananas this season.
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One could argue that he actually retired 2 years ago but only made it official today…
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hadn't heard that, but:
.462 .563 .692 1.255
small sample size, obviously
You put Jones in CF and Dominguez in LF. Try and re-sign Soto as the RF. If you re-sign Soto, you hope that Stanton has a good enough season to trade him and put Judge at DH or see if an off-season with the 1B glove takes.
After he cleans himself, I suspect that he continues to pursue Soto, starts looking for Stanton trade partners (usual caveat of how much money to include) and envisions an outfield/DH combo of Jones, The Martian, Judge, and Soto. Three plus fielders and all with strong arms
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Peraza
Cabrera
Pereira
Wells
Not looking like they belong.
On the other hand Volpe looks good so far. Spencer Jones too!
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I generally believe in the "Yankees can pull relievers out of thin air" mentality. But maybe it's time to be a little concerned? Right now they have Holmes, Loaisiga, Hamilton, Marinaccio....I think Effross won't be ready right away?
Considering that Lasagna is injury prone and Holmes is prone to blowups, I could see this getting ugly quickly.
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I generally believe in the "Yankees can pull relievers out of thin air" mentality. But maybe it's time to be a little concerned? Right now they have Holmes, Loaisiga, Hamilton, Marinaccio....I think Effross won't be ready right away?
Considering that Lasagna is injury prone and Holmes is prone to blowups, I could see this getting ugly quickly.
I think you are forgetting about the two lefties they got from the Dodgers- Ferguson and Gonzalez- both experienced guys who will make the team. Luke Weaver MIGHT be the swing guy. Non-roster guy Nick Burdi has been amazing- though with him its always about health not stuff.
Peraza
Cabrera
Pereira
Wells
Not looking like they belong.
On the other hand Volpe looks good so far. Spencer Jones too!
They’ve only been playing for a week. Give it time.
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I generally believe in the "Yankees can pull relievers out of thin air" mentality. But maybe it's time to be a little concerned? Right now they have Holmes, Loaisiga, Hamilton, Marinaccio....I think Effross won't be ready right away?
Considering that Lasagna is injury prone and Holmes is prone to blowups, I could see this getting ugly quickly.
I think you are forgetting about the two lefties they got from the Dodgers- Ferguson and Gonzalez- both experienced guys who will make the team. Luke Weaver MIGHT be the swing guy. Non-roster guy Nick Burdi has been amazing- though with him its always about health not stuff.
You're right, I knew I was forgetting someone. Still not pleased with the Kahnle news haha.
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DJLM (3B)
Soto (RF)
Judge (CF)
Rizzo (1B)
Gleyber (2B)
Stanton (DH)
Verdugo (LF)
L. Torrens (C)
Peraza (SS)
Rodon on the bump. I tend to think spring training games are 99% meaningless, but I'm working from home so will put this on in the background and am curious to see Rodon's velo. (But, again, it likely doesn't matter that much unless he's sitting at like 88 or 99 lol.)
Trevino should help the pitchers. Wells gets raves from the staff, but he's a rookie and has MUCH to learn about the big leagues. Trevino ought to be a very important teacher for Wells, while helping the staff with his framing and knowledge of the catching skills.
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Trevino should help the pitchers. Wells gets raves from the staff, but he's a rookie and has MUCH to learn about the big leagues. Trevino ought to be a very important teacher for Wells, while helping the staff with his framing and knowledge of the catching skills. Trevino back this weekend - ( New Window )
It will be good to get Trevino back behind the plate. Looking forward to he and Wells as the catchers this year.
What are you thinking with Stanton. He and DJLM are having slow starts at the plate, but I am less concerned about DJ. GS still looks terrible at the plate. I figure DJ will get it together, but even he may have lost enough bast speed to make himself ineffective. But I have zero confidence in GS going into the year...
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Pieces of the team are getting healthy. Now, let's see the guys struggling get over the spring plateau and get back to normal results.
Trevino should help the pitchers. Wells gets raves from the staff, but he's a rookie and has MUCH to learn about the big leagues. Trevino ought to be a very important teacher for Wells, while helping the staff with his framing and knowledge of the catching skills. Trevino back this weekend - ( New Window )
It will be good to get Trevino back behind the plate. Looking forward to he and Wells as the catchers this year.
What are you thinking with Stanton. He and DJLM are having slow starts at the plate, but I am less concerned about DJ. GS still looks terrible at the plate. I figure DJ will get it together, but even he may have lost enough bast speed to make himself ineffective. But I have zero confidence in GS going into the year...
Stanton is done and has been as a useful player. The slimmed down version isn't any better hitter. It sucks that he is almost untraceable and the Yankees are stuck with his contract. I hope next offseason, they just bite the bullet and eat the rest of his contract if they can't agree on some settlement. He's clogging up the DH position.
Stanton is done and has been as a useful player. The slimmed down version isn't any better hitter. It sucks that he is almost untraceable and the Yankees are stuck with his contract. I hope next offseason, they just bite the bullet and eat the rest of his contract if they can't agree on some settlement. He's clogging up the DH position.
Last year Giancarlo could not catch up to anything faster than a batting practice lob so I suspect that he is being strictly viewed as lineup insurance against a Jasson Dominguez setback. I can't imagine any scenario where he is back next year even if he does return to his old form because the Yankees won't have room.
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.083 .154. .083 .237
Maybe as your #8 hitter, but not leadoff please. I would go with Volpe there just for his speed if nothing else.
.083 .154. .083 .237
Maybe as your #8 hitter, but not leadoff please. I would go with Volpe there just for his speed if nothing else.
Me neither. If Volpe is back to being pre-homerun hunter Volpe, he should be leadoff.
Funny how his dad was once mentioned as the future boss of the Yanks- but got divorced and that was that (if I recall the story correctly).
.083 .154. .083 .237
Maybe as your #8 hitter, but not leadoff please. I would go with Volpe there just for his speed if nothing else.
MUCH too early to worry about it. I usually wait for the law of averages to kick in over a longer term- unless all you are doing is striking out, eventually some of those balls in play stop turning into outs and become hits.
Now, if those are the numbers in late May/early June- THEN you worry about it.
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Stanton is done and has been as a useful player. The slimmed down version isn't any better hitter. It sucks that he is almost untraceable and the Yankees are stuck with his contract. I hope next offseason, they just bite the bullet and eat the rest of his contract if they can't agree on some settlement. He's clogging up the DH position.
Last year Giancarlo could not catch up to anything faster than a batting practice lob so I suspect that he is being strictly viewed as lineup insurance against a Jasson Dominguez setback. I can't imagine any scenario where he is back next year even if he does return to his old form because the Yankees won't have room.
Something to keep in mind- the Marlins still have not yet begun the payments of $30M to the Yanks (due to begin soon). If Stanton can at least be a reasonable hitter with power (say .240 with 20+ HR), after this season he is due $32M, $29M and $25M over the next 3 seasons. If the Yanks were to throw that $30M into the deal, that's $56M over 3 years, or just under $19M a season. Not outrageous in today's market for a low AB high power guy. It also might help him mentally to get out of NY.
Sure he has the full no-trade clause. His favorite team, the Dodgers won't be trading for him since they need the DH slot for Ohtani. But what about the Angels?
Might be the best idea MLB has come up with in years.
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One of the biggest fumbles in sports history - imagine being next in line to run the freaking New York Yankees and you blow it with a DUI and subsequent divorce.
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Stanton is done and has been as a useful player. The slimmed down version isn't any better hitter. It sucks that he is almost untraceable and the Yankees are stuck with his contract. I hope next offseason, they just bite the bullet and eat the rest of his contract if they can't agree on some settlement. He's clogging up the DH position.
Last year Giancarlo could not catch up to anything faster than a batting practice lob so I suspect that he is being strictly viewed as lineup insurance against a Jasson Dominguez setback. I can't imagine any scenario where he is back next year even if he does return to his old form because the Yankees won't have room.
Something to keep in mind- the Marlins still have not yet begun the payments of $30M to the Yanks (due to begin soon). If Stanton can at least be a reasonable hitter with power (say .240 with 20+ HR), after this season he is due $32M, $29M and $25M over the next 3 seasons. If the Yanks were to throw that $30M into the deal, that's $56M over 3 years, or just under $19M a season. Not outrageous in today's market for a low AB high power guy. It also might help him mentally to get out of NY.
Sure he has the full no-trade clause. His favorite team, the Dodgers won't be trading for him since they need the DH slot for Ohtani. But what about the Angels?
I will be totally shocked Stanton is batting anywhere near .240 by the end of the season. His past MO is having a good season start batting, before the inevitable injury sidelines him, and he never gets his hitting back. I see him finishing another year hovering around .200.
Now, if those are the numbers in late May/early June- THEN you worry about it.
Gotta disagree with you there. First, DJLM *is* striking out a lot - he's striking out at a 33% rate this spring. Second, he's not passing the eye test - he's looked like crap at the plate so far. It's not like he's hitting the ball hard and being unlucky. Third, he's the slowest-footed player on the team.
This is who you want as your leadoff hitter? I think that's crazy. You need a higher OBP guy who's a threat to steal, to give the opposing pitcher something to worry about while pitching to Soto and Judge.
I'm not saying cut DJLM. I realize we're stuck with him at 3B for the foreseeable future. I'm just saying that a slow, weak-hitting infielder should bat 8th in the lineup and not lead off.
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This does look very interesting - hopefully it will be televised somewhere
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Funny how his dad was once mentioned as the future boss of the Yanks- but got divorced and that was that (if I recall the story correctly).
One of the biggest fumbles in sports history - imagine being next in line to run the freaking New York Yankees and you blow it with a DUI and subsequent divorce.
I'm not sure I'd stay in a miserable marriage even to run the Yankees. (Although the DUI is obviously very bad behavior.)
I'm not saying cut DJLM. I realize we're stuck with him at 3B for the foreseeable future. I'm just saying that a slow, weak-hitting infielder should bat 8th in the lineup and not lead off.
Long story short, I realize that the Yankees have to be smart with their resources going forward so it makes sense to let him go but I am surprised that Torres hasn't gotten a short at third base. Maybe it's silly to switch him from a position he is comfortable at but I feel that he can handle it.
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I'm not saying cut DJLM. I realize we're stuck with him at 3B for the foreseeable future. I'm just saying that a slow, weak-hitting infielder should bat 8th in the lineup and not lead off.
Long story short, I realize that the Yankees have to be smart with their resources going forward so it makes sense to let him go but I am surprised that Torres hasn't gotten a short at third base. Maybe it's silly to switch him from a position he is comfortable at but I feel that he can handle it.
Well, his playing at SS really seemed to affect his offense (which remains odd to me), so I'm not sure he's the guy you want to mess around with. Plus, as you alluded to, I don't think he's in the long-term plans. (I suspect he's going to have a monster FA year and then we let someone massively overpay for him. Which is fine, he seems like a good kid, but not crucial.)
Volpe 2 for 3 from the leadoff spot tonight.
Kevin Smith (who?) started at 3B.
Peraza was seen leaving Steinbrenner Field around noon in street clothes Thursday as other players were arriving for a workout and then a night game against the Tigers.
Boone said that Peraza came to him Thursday morning and said the shoulder was bothering him again.
Eleven of the 13 position roster spots are a lock, with Grisham and the BUC adding to the nine starters.
Going in to ST, Peraza and Cabrera looked most likely to fill spots 12 and 13.
But Peraza has the bad shoulder and Cabrera (.048) is, thus far, going in the wrong direction from a disappointing 2023.
Jorbit Vivas is on the 40-man, but can't play SS and is hitting .143 himself.
Kevin Smith (Who? as Del Shofner says) can play SS, but isn't on the 40-man.
Everson Pereira is at .222 with 8 strikeouts and one XBH, (a homer) in 18 ST ABs.
Two of the named figure to make the OD roster. Jasson is in the wings to take a spot down the line, and Spencer after him, but the infield, which Cashman claims as an area of strength, is very thin. DJL is looking old and there is no depth.
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Peraza was seen leaving Steinbrenner Field around noon in street clothes Thursday as other players were arriving for a workout and then a night game against the Tigers.
Boone said that Peraza came to him Thursday morning and said the shoulder was bothering him again.
Probably the best thing for him- it would be bad for future development for him to sit on the bench in NY while Torres and Volpe play 150+ games each. He need to go to AAA- and either play every day or be on the IL there to start the season and then play every day.
I still think the Yanks backup middle INF isn't on the roster. But as the comments from Rosario in the NY Post today showed, the FAs out there are not sold on the Yanks because there isn't a plausible route to playing time outside of an injury.
I suspect that the Yanks will either have to make a waiver claim on a cut vet at the roster cut down time or make a last minute trade for a backup.
In the same vein, I think that Oswaldo Cabrera would also be best served going to AAA and playing the supersub role there to prepare him and allow him to re-focus his hitting.
The OF is set, backup C is set, just grab a supersub INF and maybe either a speed late inning guy or roll with an extra bullpen arm to start the season.
The drum that many (including me) have been beating for some time now, arguing that the focus on "launch angle" has been misguided and self-defeating.
I think Volpe has bought in. For Soto and Judge, it doesn't really matter because they are so good. Trevino is really a spray it around and hope it lands on the ground type. Rizzo looks back to normal and focused.
I hope that Torres got the message- but he's in a walk year and I think his focus will be to hit as many HR as he can in the hopes of a big multi-year deal somewhere.
I have no idea what to expect from DJLM or Stanton. I think DJLMs track record is that he will correct whatever went wrong last year and he is healthy. Stanton- I have no idea. At this point, I would take a .240 BA and power and call it a success.
The upshot of that is that the Yankee backup 3B is in line for double duty: he plays when LeMahieu rests (or is injured) and he plays when Rizzo rests (or is injured) and LeMahieu covers 1B.
Even if Yanks had signed Amed Rosario, he is strictly a middle infielder; never played 3B.
Peraza was, by all appearance, planned to be the "double backup" for 3B. He in fact had far more major league 3B starts last year than at SS and 2B combined.
So Yanks have both the middle infield backup roster hole that Cashman was trying to fill with Rosario and, it appears, an even bigger hole created by Peraza's shoulder injury.
Since everybody in the day's lineup has to hit, that's a lot of plate appearances in 2024 that are up for grabs with no proven major league hitter to take them.
I don't think the INF back up is even in camp right now. I think they will make a trade/waiver claim at the end of ST. Think of Velasquez a couple years ago.
The upshot of that is that the Yankee backup 3B is in line for double duty: he plays when LeMahieu rests (or is injured) and he plays when Rizzo rests (or is injured) and LeMahieu covers 1B.
Even if Yanks had signed Amed Rosario, he is strictly a middle infielder; never played 3B.
Peraza was, by all appearance, planned to be the "double backup" for 3B. He in fact had far more major league 3B starts last year than at SS and 2B combined.
So Yanks have both the middle infield backup roster hole that Cashman was trying to fill with Rosario and, it appears, an even bigger hole created by Peraza's shoulder injury.
Since everybody in the day's lineup has to hit, that's a lot of plate appearances in 2024 that are up for grabs with no proven major league hitter to take them.
Can Wells play 1b? I am confident in his hitting.
He basically split time between 1B and C last season. He likes to catch, but missing two full seasons of college ball and then most of another after signing has really hurt his development behind the plate.
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Can Wells play 1b? I am confident in his hitting.
Wells did play some 1B in college but has not done so since the Yankees drafted him in 2020.
From all appearances Yanks want him to focus on catching. And if he were to suffer an injury playing 1B, it would be hard to forgive, because he's an important piece.
Great to see him crush that HR today.
Whatever contract Boras brings to the Yankees they better match it for him. Of course it'll be up to Soto to decide if he want to return to the Yankees.
apologies ... that's just his slugging % ... his OPS is like 1.8 at this point.
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apologies ... that's just his slugging % ... his OPS is like 1.8 at this point.
Lol. More meaningful to me is that Rizzo is having a good spring, which confirms again that it was the concussion that turned him into the worst hitter in baseball.
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Typical Yankees post 2009.
In the other game, Warren doesn't throw anything straight, but was 93-94 mostly with high of 95.
"...and I get on my knees and pray,
We won't get fooled again...
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."
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The Yankees, while awaiting news on Gerrit Cole, have re-engaged with the Chicago White Sox and made a new proposal for ace Dylan Cease, but the new offer once again did not include prized outfield prospect Spencer Jones.
I wonder if the Yankees are fearing the worst now on Cole.
Doesn't sound good.
They would also have to give up 2 draft picks and $1M in international FA money
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Who has a down year last year when all you have to do is write a check to Snell? Luxury tax? Come on what are we shopping at Walmart?
They would also have to give up 2 draft picks and $1M in international FA money
I get that but they are not first rounders correct? and as for the international $ so you'd rather give up guys who may be major league ready soon or within a season or so for the promise of a kid in the DR who is currently 15 years old?
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..they said he's going for more tests.
Doesn't sound good.
Not for nothing, but the MRI would have shown the UCL torn and no further tests would be needed.
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..they said he's going for more tests.
Doesn't sound good.
Not for nothing, but the MRI would have shown the UCL torn and no further tests would be needed.
How sure are you about this? There are different kinds of MRIs, and maybe it showed something partial? Unfortunately I think this might just be a waiting game.
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..they said he's going for more tests.
Doesn't sound good.
Not for nothing, but the MRI would have shown the UCL torn and no further tests would be needed.
How sure are you about this? There are different kinds of MRIs, and maybe it showed something partial? Unfortunately I think this might just be a waiting game.
They send guys for MRIs all the time. In an hour or two we hear about a ruptured UCL or not. When was the last time someone was sent for an MRI that the results weren't known almost immediately?
Yes it could be, but to me this indicates the MRI is not showing the UCL is torn. Cannot remember the last time a player was sent and it wasn't clearly shown.
Need to go back and get a radiology degree, I suppose!
Wishful thinking