So much of BBI has been a debate about Jones/QB draft options. But, Barkley will be telling on multiple fronts.
1. Is Schoen willing to tag Barkley again at a higher number than last year?
2. Would Schoen consider letting Barkley walk with no tag?
3. Would Schoen commit to Barkley beyond 2024 and offer a multi-year deal?
Another question is how much pressure does Daboll have in 2024? If he's expected to win with guys like Belichick & Vrabel out there, does Daboll push to bring Barkley back (which I believe he pushed to keep prior to the trade deadline).
The only way making long term moves works, is if the GM & HC have complete buy in from ownership that their jobs are safe regardless. Does Daboll have this? If he doesn't, I could see him wanting to keep Barkley.
Barkley is still an asset but one in decline and not providing anywhere near the impact plays he used to be able to do. The tag dollars are more than the value of Barkley provides. And it would be beneficial for the Giants to move towards a RB by Committee approach to spread those dollars among several backs and keep them more healthy and productive throughout a whole season.
Keeping Barkley ensures he stays the centerpiece of the Offense, mostly because the Giants can't help themselves. And that type of Offense has been an awful experiment to watch for years. Move on.
My hope is that the team moves on from Barkley. I would much rather spend money on different positions. But if he says yes to the highest RB contract handed out last year (3 years 18 million), then sure bring him back. That is incredibly unlikely that he would agree to that, thus we should just move on
When we actually had a player at QB, Barkley more than moved the needle. Going to be hard for Barkley to move the needle when we put out the worst QBs in the league in 2023 behind the worst OLine in the league.That being said it’s unfair to expect 2022 Barkley in 2024 and beyond so not signing him makes sense. As for the Tag? Who knows, but I doubt Schoen wants a repeat of last year and at $2m more (I think). And McKinney tag option is a wildcard scenario that should be on the table.
Unless he's now willing to take a huge hometown discount, I think he's playing somewhere else in 2024.
I don't believe Barkley is going to get a $12-$13M offer on the open market, nor should the Giants match if he does.
I'd bet Schoen offers $8M/year, with reasonably achievable incentives that can get him back to $10M/year, on a 3 year contract with a voidable 3rd year.
I do not think Daboll is in any danger short of total collapse and internal strife. They cannot keep changing coaches when the roster is a disaster.
I like Saquon and appreciate all he has done for us Giants fans on the field.....but the business of the NFL has devalued second contracts on running backs.
negotiates with other teams and goes back to the Giants to see if they match it, which they will.
Welp, if the Giants are only willing to pay $6 Million, then they are not willing to pay a thing because Barkley will command up to double that figure with a bottom-line floor of $9 - $10 Million.
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Texans can afford to fit him in given they have young talent still 2-3 yrs away from max/cap choking deals.
He is not getting 11.5 million to play this year from anyone.
If the Giants want him, they need to offer a reasonable multi year deal and then let him test his value as a FA.
I think that's about to play out. They won't give him big money...he's going to FA
IF he doesn't get nearly the offer he expects I don't think it's impossible he'd come back, but I think he'll be gone
I think it's a great way to gauge the market. Hell, we may find out that Team Barkley's value is not that great and match a deal more affordable than imagined.
I think it's a great way to gauge the market. Hell, we may find out that Team Barkley's value is not that great and match a deal more affordable than imagined.
What should have happened with Jones which you stated in real time.
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That essentially gives Schoen the ability to match or decline versus the stricter rules of the FT.
I think it's a great way to gauge the market. Hell, we may find out that Team Barkley's value is not that great and match a deal more affordable than imagined.
What should have happened with Jones which you stated in real time.
Not to deviate from your topic here, but I'll always believe ajr's intel about Jones's open market value was reliable. That Jones was worth < $25M per. And maybe closer to $20M.
I think that win over Minnesota carried more weight than it should have...
If anything. JS should tell Barkley to go shop himself and see if the Giants can match or beat the deal he gets.
That said, I want Estime out of ND in round 3.
Of course it matters. If the above was true the Giants would have caved and given Barkley is asking price. But we didn’t. How do you explain that?
Yes. Need McKinney far more than Barkley.
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If Mara wants Barkley to be a Giant, its going to happen. John Mara is the one pulling the strings on all FA and draft decisions, not the head coach or GM.
Of course it matters. If the above was true the Giants would have caved and given Barkley is asking price. But we didn’t. How do you explain that?
Im being sarcastic. All BBI talks about is how much influence Mara has on the decision making process, see Daniel Jones.
That being said, the Giants offered Barkley an extension last season that he and his team turned down. Mara wanted Jones to be the main FA signing and didn't want to tag him and in hindsight, would have been the smarter play.
I like Barkley, he's the biggest offensive weapon the Giants have. Not sure how Jones can succeed without Barkley in the lineup
An intelligent front office doesn't tag Barkley. Be honest as to what his value is and give him an offer if he feels it is in his zipcode. If it isn't, say goodbye.
This isn't difficult.
I don't think so. I'm not sure how the Giants feel, but I just spoke to Saquon in Vegas last week. He wants to stay in NY and told me he will come back to the Giants with any contract offer he gets to see if they want to match or even come close to the offer.
Don't think he'd be willing to take a ton less, but hypothetically if he got an offer from the Broncos for say 2 years 20 million I think he would stay with the Giants if they offered 2 years 19 million.
He rushed for 100 yards 1 time last year. ONE. That was a game where he had 36 carries.
I can't imagine any scenario where the Giants Tag him for the right to pay him more money than he made last year. People need to take off the rose colored glasses from his rookie year. He's not a special player anymore, he's good. When was the last time he looked special? Maybe a few games last year, maybe a game this year. In the losses he averaged 3.9 yards per carry and in the wins he averaged 3.9 yards per carry. He is what he is.
Time to part ways for both sides. He's not making the Giants a better team but he has the ability to help a good team as long as he doesnt have to be the guy.
Time to move on
I think it's a great way to gauge the market. Hell, we may find out that Team Barkley's value is not that great and match a deal more affordable than imagined.
IIRC, there's no comp picks attached to an unmatched offer sheet on the transition tag. For that reason alone, I'd rather roll the dice on a gentleman's agreement with Ed Perry that the Giants get a chance to match whatever the market comes back with. Even if Perry/Barkley refuse (or renege) on that, so be it.
I think the potential comp picks may be the largest remaining value to the Giants for Barkley, and the guaranteed right of first refusal (at a not insignificant tender) doesn't move me off of that position. Especially if Schoen has a hard limit on the price he's willing to pay for Barkley, I'd hate to tag him above that number solely for a benefit (matching) that Schoen might ultimately prefer to decline anyway.
It would be an over pay by the Giants to tag him again.
IIRC, there's no comp picks attached to an unmatched offer sheet on the transition tag. For that reason alone, I'd rather roll the dice on a gentleman's agreement ……
If this is right, that you get no compensation pick value with an unmatched offer on a transition tag, then I agree with Gatorade…. It’s not worth the risk.
Let Barkley enter free agency without a tag. Put the money saved on a Barkley contract toward a proven guard in free agency.
Id say 3 years now is too long.