Mike Tanenbaum put this one on the table,and I am not sure what to make of it...
DJ for Deshaun and a 2nd
DW has 3 yrs left at $50MM which is fully guaranteed.
My gut says no....
What say the P-nut Gallery?
From what I remember, Collins...
1. mistakenly thought he had an n-word pass with Muhsin Muhammed because he and other Carolina receivers jokingly called each other racial slurs. He did not, and they almost came to blows.
2. was an alcoholic
Was there anything else that I'm missing? Is it that vs. serial sexual coercion?
I can see why people would be willing to give Collins a chance and not Watson. Those are different levels of seriousness imv.
RE: RE: Interesting how Watson is a no, but Kerry Collins was a yes.
From what I remember, Collins...
1. mistakenly thought he had an n-word pass with Muhsin Muhammed because he and other Carolina receivers jokingly called each other racial slurs. He did not, and they almost came to blows.
2. was an alcoholic
Was there anything else that I'm missing? Is it that vs. serial sexual coercion?
I can see why people would be willing to give Collins a chance and not Watson. Those are different levels of seriousness imv.
On top of that, Collins wasn't carrying a $63 annual million cap hit for three more years.
RE: RE: Interesting how Watson is a no, but Kerry Collins was a yes.
From what I remember, Collins...
1. mistakenly thought he had an n-word pass with Muhsin Muhammed because he and other Carolina receivers jokingly called each other racial slurs. He did not, and they almost came to blows.
2. was an alcoholic
Was there anything else that I'm missing? Is it that vs. serial sexual coercion?
I can see why people would be willing to give Collins a chance and not Watson. Those are different levels of seriousness imv.
I'd throw in that social media wasn't really a thing back then and there wasn't as much backlash to deal with when bringing in a controversial player.
Every nfl owner is going to sign off on the QB. Doesn’t mean Mara is choosing the qb. And it also doesn’t mean he’s choosing players. He’s the owner for fuck’s sake. The qb is basically the face of the team. Of course the owner has say there. Again, it doesn’t mean Mara is scouting and dictating which qb is drafted or brought in nor does it mean he’s dictating who stays.
Think.
I can't root for Watson. I'd have to take a break from following the
One, he still hasn't looked like the same player. Two, injuries are a concern for him as well. Three, his off the field problems. Four, his deal is worse than Jones.
RE: Even if Watson didn't have the off field bullshit
His record was 5-1 this year as a starter and only had one good game. The Browns have a terrific supporting cast and he still hasn't lived up to even half of what his contract is.
^This. I saw most of that exchange this morning, and the other three panelists correctly said this would be a terrible trade for the Giants. And that was just because of Watson's health and his monstrous contract. As someone else said, there is no way in hell Mara would let Watson be the "face" of this franchise.
Even if you want to overlook Watson offenses, he’s been awful since coming back. Besides, there is a less than zero chance John Mara signs off on replacing St Daniel with a sex offender.
Well Watson would be a trade for a 50 mill a year contract and Collins was a cheap free agent acquisition signing... So yea they are similar moves I guess.
But I get the idea you are insinuating something else.
The whole 'big bad NY media' is complete horseshit IMO, at least in 2024. I think it mattered 20 years ago before social media/Twitter/everyone being online...I think Eli's personality was perfect for the area, while Rivers would have been a disaster here.
GM is what influences half the threads from fans on here and I guess it's kind of justified. They feel empowered. I mean if a former GM thinks this trade makes sense are they really smarter than the average fan?
The whole 'big bad NY media' is complete horseshit IMO, at least in 2024. I think it mattered 20 years ago before social media/Twitter/everyone being online...I think Eli's personality was perfect for the area, while Rivers would have been a disaster here.
I was just talking to a buddy about the Eli/Rivers draftday deal and what would have been if it hadn't hapoened
GM is what influences half the threads from fans on here and I guess it's kind of justified. They feel empowered. I mean if a former GM thinks this trade makes sense are they really smarter than the average fan?
and is more valuable as a fantasy QB. Maybe not even that anymore.
I would not want him as our QB even at half the salary
He literally is a championship qb and was special in his early nfl years grinding out wins with some clutch play.
I haven’t seen that guy since his…ahem…break from the game so he’s obviously not even a consideration. As it stands, both teams are looking forward to getting the contracts of their books. We just won’t have to wait as long.
and demons, even 20 years ago. Issues with alcohol and substances also isn't uncommon in the NFL.
It's actually very strange how Kerry Collins is still demonized, and made fun of to an extent, for having alcohol issues, while Brett Favre admitted to having a serious opioid addiction. Favre's is downplayed by saying he was addicted to "painkillers."
of the owner letting the football people make football decisions, this type of decision is an owners to make. Trading for Watson is a reflection on the Giants franchise and reputation that goes beyond what he does on the field. He should be brought decisions like that to weigh in on, and I am sure he would veto it.
I also don't know why either team would make this trade. The Giants get a better QB but less control and more term. The Browns get an injured, underperforming QB who gets paid too much who they can get rid of next year.
of the owner letting the football people make football decisions, this type of decision is an owners to make. Trading for Watson is a reflection on the Giants franchise and reputation that goes beyond what he does on the field. He should be brought decisions like that to weigh in on, and I am sure he would veto it.
I also don't know why either team would make this trade. The Giants get a better QB but less control and more term. The Browns get an injured, underperforming QB who gets paid too much who they can get rid of next year.
Why does anyone do this trade?
Tannenbuam argued that the Browns get DJ who would benfit from a decent Ol and weapons around him
The Giants get a tremendous talent to build around for the next 3 yrs
And most of all, there is NFW Mara is going to have Watson as the face of the franchise at QB. This is definitely where he'd pull the ownership card.
Hell, I recall he shot this idea down a few years ago...
:-)
This is typical 'look at me' ESPN off-season BS.
It's insane.
Does it even make sense to lock in to him at $50mm guaranteed for 3 yrs,with our porous OL??
From what I remember, Collins...
1. mistakenly thought he had an n-word pass with Muhsin Muhammed because he and other Carolina receivers jokingly called each other racial slurs. He did not, and they almost came to blows.
2. was an alcoholic
Was there anything else that I'm missing? Is it that vs. serial sexual coercion?
I can see why people would be willing to give Collins a chance and not Watson. Those are different levels of seriousness imv.
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From what I remember, Collins...
1. mistakenly thought he had an n-word pass with Muhsin Muhammed because he and other Carolina receivers jokingly called each other racial slurs. He did not, and they almost came to blows.
2. was an alcoholic
Was there anything else that I'm missing? Is it that vs. serial sexual coercion?
I can see why people would be willing to give Collins a chance and not Watson. Those are different levels of seriousness imv.
On top of that, Collins wasn't carrying a $63 annual million cap hit for three more years.
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lol
From what I remember, Collins...
1. mistakenly thought he had an n-word pass with Muhsin Muhammed because he and other Carolina receivers jokingly called each other racial slurs. He did not, and they almost came to blows.
2. was an alcoholic
Was there anything else that I'm missing? Is it that vs. serial sexual coercion?
I can see why people would be willing to give Collins a chance and not Watson. Those are different levels of seriousness imv.
I'd throw in that social media wasn't really a thing back then and there wasn't as much backlash to deal with when bringing in a controversial player.
Every nfl owner is going to sign off on the QB. Doesn’t mean Mara is choosing the qb. And it also doesn’t mean he’s choosing players. He’s the owner for fuck’s sake. The qb is basically the face of the team. Of course the owner has say there. Again, it doesn’t mean Mara is scouting and dictating which qb is drafted or brought in nor does it mean he’s dictating who stays.
Think.
Let me help you out. Christian Peter would be the guy you would want to use as the example here.
Good. Watson is a creep. An owner has every right to veto that move.
They can keep Watson, Jones can stay in NY, and they can just give up the 2.
They can keep Watson, Jones can stay in NY, and they can just give up the 2.
I think Watson was getting closer last year before the injury. But there are certainly still doubts.
And while Watson isn't fat, but he's gotten thicker. I think it would be wise for him to get leaner this offseason.
His record was 5-1 this year as a starter and only had one good game. The Browns have a terrific supporting cast and he still hasn't lived up to even half of what his contract is.
Oh and he's a rapist.
Passing
Completions 227 105
Attempts 370 171
Percentage 61.4 61.4
Yards
Yards 2,562. 1,115
Yds/Att 6.9 6.5
TD 16 7
INT 9 4
Sacked. 44 17
Rushing
Attempts 124 26
Yards 657 142
Yds/Att 5.3 5.5
Long 39 16
20+ 5 0
TD 4 1
Misc
Games 13 6
Fantasy Points 239 91
FPts/Gm 18.4 15.1
Snaps 829 383
Snaps/Gm 64 64
Points/100 Snaps 28.9 23.7
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I finally won most of them over that Jones is bad but Watson is worse and now people want to trade for that contract? holy shit.
^This. I saw most of that exchange this morning, and the other three panelists correctly said this would be a terrible trade for the Giants. And that was just because of Watson's health and his monstrous contract. As someone else said, there is no way in hell Mara would let Watson be the "face" of this franchise.
Lesser of two evils. By far.
How about paying $60MM++ for Aaron bleepin Rodgers and have him play three four snaps for us in a season???
Why would anyone take on the player (at this point), the person, and possibly the worst contract in NFL history?
Giants would have a dead cap hit of 23M and 22M in 24'/25.
Giants would be responsible for 46M in salary for Watson for 3 years. So in 2025:
22M dead cap hit for Jones
46M salary for Watson
68M tied to Watson. Doesn't seem feasible for a guy that sucked.
As for the proposal, no. Beyond on his issues with women, he has looked terrible. I'm not sure he regains for. I sure wouldn't bet on it
Well Watson would be a trade for a 50 mill a year contract and Collins was a cheap free agent acquisition signing... So yea they are similar moves I guess.
But I get the idea you are insinuating something else.
The front office would NEVER take on Watson, both for ethical and financial reasons
The OL matters.
Yes, get an elite QB when available. But 2024? 2025? 2026?
It likely will take 1 to 2 years to build a functional line.
I will agree that there are many possible franchise QBs this year, where there likely won't be as many in the following couple of years.
:-)
Hahahaaa
But the whole off the field stuff has to be considered.
But the whole off the field stuff has to be considered.
If we had a OL and weapons,I may feel differently...
Do you think the NY market could deal with having him as our QB?
I would not want him as our QB even at half the salary
+1.... from the old section 131
I was just talking to a buddy about the Eli/Rivers draftday deal and what would have been if it hadn't hapoened
Interesting take
Care to elaborate?
I would not want him as our QB even at half the salary
I haven’t seen that guy since his…ahem…break from the game so he’s obviously not even a consideration. As it stands, both teams are looking forward to getting the contracts of their books. We just won’t have to wait as long.
But the whole off the field stuff has to be considered.
I'm not sure this is true anymore.
It's actually very strange how Kerry Collins is still demonized, and made fun of to an extent, for having alcohol issues, while Brett Favre admitted to having a serious opioid addiction. Favre's is downplayed by saying he was addicted to "painkillers."
I also don't know why either team would make this trade. The Giants get a better QB but less control and more term. The Browns get an injured, underperforming QB who gets paid too much who they can get rid of next year.
Why does anyone do this trade?
I also don't know why either team would make this trade. The Giants get a better QB but less control and more term. The Browns get an injured, underperforming QB who gets paid too much who they can get rid of next year.
Why does anyone do this trade?
Tannenbuam argued that the Browns get DJ who would benfit from a decent Ol and weapons around him
The Giants get a tremendous talent to build around for the next 3 yrs
It would be funny if the Watson for Jones trade happened to see all the threads started asking the question:
Why didn't Mara do something to block the trade?