I heard a rumor that the Knicks made Robinson available near the end of the trade deadline. I'd look to move him in the offseason as part of a trade for a final player.
The issue is Hartenstein is a FA at the end of the year.
Having $30 mil+ in the center position isn't financially smart. Rather have a young player on a rookie deal & keep IHart. Like said above use Mitch in a trade for a bigger piece
IHart adds more offensively especially as a passer
Having $30 mil+ in the center position isn't financially smart. Rather have a young player on a rookie deal & keep IHart. Like said above use Mitch in a trade for a bigger piece
RE: The issue is Hartenstein is a FA at the end of the year.
than the mid-level exception so it’s just a matter of whether a team with cap space (San Antonio? Detroit?) gets crazy. I like our chances of keeping him.
than the mid-level exception so it’s just a matter of whether a team with cap space (San Antonio? Detroit?) gets crazy. I like our chances of keeping him.
Knicks have IHart's early bird rights and can offer him a raise of 175% $16.178 million. If someone else offers more than there's nothing they can do
Having $30 mil+ in the center position isn't financially smart. Rather have a young player on a rookie deal & keep IHart. Like said above use Mitch in a trade for a bigger piece
I think Sims is a good backup. Like him.
RE: RE: IHart adds more offensively especially as a passer
Having $30 mil+ in the center position isn't financially smart. Rather have a young player on a rookie deal & keep IHart. Like said above use Mitch in a trade for a bigger piece
I think Sims is a good backup. Like him.
Sims has a low basketball IQ. Very athletic but it's always seems to be a step behind
RE: RE: RE: IHart adds more offensively especially as a passer
Having $30 mil+ in the center position isn't financially smart. Rather have a young player on a rookie deal & keep IHart. Like said above use Mitch in a trade for a bigger piece
I think Sims is a good backup. Like him.
Sims has a low basketball IQ. Very athletic but it's always seems to be a step behind
I think he’s played well for being thrown into big minutes. Off topic but Alec Burks looks like a trainwreck. I’d rather see McBride out there.
he is athletic so he will get some rebounds and some blocks but his positioning is terrible, his defensive awareness is non existent, he is simpky not a good basketball player..
As for Burks he will be fine when the team is fully healthy and he is playing 15 minutes a night...
he is athletic so he will get some rebounds and some blocks but his positioning is terrible, his defensive awareness is non existent, he is simpky not a good basketball player..
As for Burks he will be fine when the team is fully healthy and he is playing 15 minutes a night...
I disagree on Sims. I hope you’re right about Burks. He’s been terrible on defense and his shot selection is horrible.
that you can't spend $30 million on centers. Especially 2 guys in your top 7 rotation that are making less than $15 million a year in this economic landscape in the NBA.
Chances are one of them will be traded for Donovan Mitchell at some point anyways.
He's constantly out of position on both sides of the ball, mistimes his jumps for rebounds which leads to them smacking his hands and going to the other team, is easily pushed off the block, and seems to have very little body control. I see a very little potential there beyond being a big body to throw in when everyone else is hurt.
He's constantly out of position on both sides of the ball, mistimes his jumps for rebounds which leads to them smacking his hands and going to the other team, is easily pushed off the block, and seems to have very little body control. I see a very little potential there beyond being a big body to throw in when everyone else is hurt.
This. He is lousy. Zero deception in his movements like if he fakes a double team and he bites on ball fakes all the time. He is all muscle and twitch with very low coordination. Its pretty maddening that a guy who is as strong as he is and with such leaping ability that he can't be taught that. Hes the Tim Carter of Centers.
that you can't spend $30 million on centers. Especially 2 guys in your top 7 rotation that are making less than $15 million a year in this economic landscape in the NBA.
Chances are one of them will be traded for Donovan Mitchell at some point anyways.
+1
When healthy, Mitch is a dominant defender on a team that wins with D and rebounding for both 1st and 2nd units. He’s cheap and we’re pushing for a championship.
We would have to get something special in return to move him because this team can win now.
That's insane honestly. This Knicks team hasn't approached the luxury tax in years, so it's ridiculous to think you can't spend money on good players.
And Centers being out of fashion because it's all about the big wings is a dated notion. There's more good centers in the NBA than there has been for a long time. If you can sign iHart, do it and then worry about cap management later.
and a very good player. But Hartenstein is just a better overall player. The value on offense is really important. If we have them both, I'd play Hartenstein 28 minutes and Mitch 20. But of course there can some variability based on what is happening in individual games.
and a very good player. But Hartenstein is just a better overall player. The value on offense is really important. If we have them both, I'd play Hartenstein 28 minutes and Mitch 20. But of course there can some variability based on what is happening in individual games.
Mitch is averaging 12.7 rebounds / 36 minutes. IHart is averaging 12.2. Not much difference.
Mitch gets more offensive rebounds because he spends the whole possession haunting the paint. Which also clogs it up and makes it more difficult for Brunson and Randle to score.
the best is one of the reasons is they are afraid big name players wont go there because of Vaugn hahahaha
Truly amazing he still has a job. He’s completely lost and will also blow it not moving Bridges at his peak value.
The entire franchise is a clown show.
It's truly unbelievable and from what I can tell on twitter, it's not like the fanbase is revolting either. They still believe in Marks for some reason. Even if you forget about the Bridges stuff, they had offers for Royce O'Neal last year for a 1st round pick plus more which they passed on only to trade him for seconds at the deadline. They apparently turned down 2 1sts (might have been more, can't remember) for Cam Johnson which they declined so that they could have the privilege of paying him $95M over 4 years but hey, I for one am shocked that a team with nothing but 3 and D wings is losing basketball games. Must be the coach's fault
and a very good player. But Hartenstein is just a better overall player. The value on offense is really important. If we have them both, I'd play Hartenstein 28 minutes and Mitch 20. But of course there can some variability based on what is happening in individual games.
Mitch is averaging 12.7 rebounds / 36 minutes. IHart is averaging 12.2. Not much difference.
Mitch gets more offensive rebounds because he spends the whole possession haunting the paint. Which also clogs it up and makes it more difficult for Brunson and Randle to score.
Mitch adds a bit more of a cutting for an oop threat than Hartensyein, but I largely agree.
I still am routinely amazed that guys with Mitch's athleticism cant be taught a LITTLE of a post game. Like 2/3 moves with his back to the basket or a couple of 2 dribble drives he can use to go up strong.
I guess I will just have to accept it. Kinda like free throws.
RE: RE: How many coaches does Sean Marks get to hire?
and a very good player. But Hartenstein is just a better overall player. The value on offense is really important. If we have them both, I'd play Hartenstein 28 minutes and Mitch 20. But of course there can some variability based on what is happening in individual games.
Mitch is averaging 12.7 rebounds / 36 minutes. IHart is averaging 12.2. Not much difference.
Mitch gets more offensive rebounds because he spends the whole possession haunting the paint. Which also clogs it up and makes it more difficult for Brunson and Randle to score.
Mitch is a fantastic offensive rebounder. He's also a more imposing rim protector which doesn't show up on their individual stat lines but there's a noticeable difference in the willingness of opposing teams to attack the paint when Mitch is in the game due to his length and athleticism.
Today marks 10 weeks since the 8-10 week reevaluation milestone
not much, but it’s not bad:
“ Doctors have to clear Randle to play before he can compete in a practice, let alone a game. There is growing optimism inside the Knicks that a Randle return will come with time remaining in the regular season. ” Link - ( New Window )
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ESPN's Tim Bontemps on today's Lowe Post podcast:
"Mitchell Robinson could be back in early March - or sometime in March - from his ankle surgery."
The regular season ends April 14, I believe. It would be great to have everyone back for the last month of the regular season. Fingers crossed ... we looked so great in January.
He didn't have the balls or the fortitude to play for the Knicks. He cop'd out and went to the Nets and bounced as soon as things got tough. Kevin Durant ain't built for New York.
While we were all annoyed and embarrassed, it led to the team we have, the culture established and desire to win. None of that happens with Durant, Kyrie, Harden and Simmons.
family, friends and his agent/businesz partner all wanted him to sign with the Knicks
I could be wrong but I think he's said this before.
Either way, once the Nets became open to letting him and Kyrie play player-GM it wasn't happening.
Yeah there’s been stories out there that Durant actually wanted for him and Kyrie to team up for the Knicks but Kyrie was eventually able to convince him to go to the Nets instead because it was his childhood dream.
The way that played out for the Nets is still so hilarious.
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Thibodeau said Randle and Anunoby were on track - Anunoby doing cardio and left-handed basketball work. Sounds like neither will be back this week. But DDV, Bogey and Hartenstein all should be ready for Philadelphia Thursday
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Thibodeau said Randle and Anunoby were on track - Anunoby doing cardio and left-handed basketball work. Sounds like neither will be back this week. But DDV, Bogey and Hartenstein all should be ready for Philadelphia Thursday
and he basically admitted to trolling the Knicks brand, but said that the team wasn't ready or fun when he was considering going there.
Honestly, idc anymore, but we should start giving Julius Randle and Brunson that treatment. They chose to sign here, and I'm sure a lot of other factors went into those decisions, but they chose NY and then evolved their games to be all-NBA players. No need to do what ifs with Durant.
and he basically admitted to trolling the Knicks brand, but said that the team wasn't ready or fun when he was considering going there.
Honestly, idc anymore, but we should start giving Julius Randle and Brunson that treatment. They chose to sign here, and I'm sure a lot of other factors went into those decisions, but they chose NY and then evolved their games to be all-NBA players. No need to do what ifs with Durant.
It says a lot about him that he didn’t see himself as someone capable of turning things around.
I’ve always appreciated guys like Stoudemire, and Randle who didn’t shy away from that challenge but instead embraced it. And now Brunson has taken the team to another level entirely. He had guts and confidence, Durrant just wanted a joy ride to a ring
finally gave up on chasing after saviors and went about the business of building something step by step. It's been so rewarding, and I hope they don't have to completely sell their souls like Brooklyn did to try to get to the top.
finally gave up on chasing after saviors and went about the business of building something step by step. It's been so rewarding, and I hope they don't have to completely sell their souls like Brooklyn did to try to get to the top.
The irony is that's what the Nets were lauded for pre big 3 era and what the media cited as a reason why they chose the Nets over the Knicks. Just a few years later and the Nets are the ones doing what that the Knicks were for 20 years.
Popper just tweeted that Randle says surgery for him has not been ruled out, but he is doing everything possible to get back on he court as soon as possible.
Popper just tweeted that Randle says surgery for him has not been ruled out, but he is doing everything possible to get back on he court as soon as possible.
Sounds like they won’t really know until he’s back practicing with the team, full physicality, seeing what it feels like to have his arm hit, battling for rebounds etc
Popper just tweeted that Randle says surgery for him has not been ruled out, but he is doing everything possible to get back on he court as soon as possible.
Sounds like they won’t really know until he’s back practicing with the team, full physicality, seeing what it feels like to have his arm hit, battling for rebounds etc
They are going to have to harness it...The mental side is going to be the biggest thing, is he going to be hesitant to lower that shoulder
Popper just tweeted that Randle says surgery for him has not been ruled out, but he is doing everything possible to get back on he court as soon as possible.
Sounds like they won’t really know until he’s back practicing with the team, full physicality, seeing what it feels like to have his arm hit, battling for rebounds etc
They are going to have to harness it...The mental side is going to be the biggest thing, is he going to be hesitant to lower that shoulder
They God it was the non shooting shoulder. It might just be a pain threshold thing for him.
Prediction based on what has been said past couple of days
Coolio. Given the health status of this team, it's not unheard of for these guys to see significant minutes. Hell, Toppin already has seen way more minutes than he deserves.
Coolio. Given the health status of this team, it's not unheard of for these guys to see significant minutes. Hell, Toppin already has seen way more minutes than he deserves.
And seriously, Taj is cooked.
I think it shows they trust that OG and Randle will be back sooner than later..
Also with Hartenstein, Bojan and DDV back the team is a much healthier 9 man rotation
At least these two have been with the Knicks since training camp and know what's up. Whoever was gonna get signed was only gonna play if we were up 20 with 3 minutes left or down 20 with three minutes left.
RE: not sure what non scrubs you were hoping for lol
At least these two have been with the Knicks since training camp and know what's up. Whoever was gonna get signed was only gonna play if we were up 20 with 3 minutes left or down 20 with three minutes left.
Dude, at this point, I would even take Marcus Morris back. Ha
But nah, I'd love to take a roll of the dice on Killian Hayes.
RE: not sure what non scrubs you were hoping for lol
At least these two have been with the Knicks since training camp and know what's up. Whoever was gonna get signed was only gonna play if we were up 20 with 3 minutes left or down 20 with three minutes left.
I'm still pissed that I spent $500+ to go see Doncic play against a bunch of scrubs.
RE: RE: not sure what non scrubs you were hoping for lol
At least these two have been with the Knicks since training camp and know what's up. Whoever was gonna get signed was only gonna play if we were up 20 with 3 minutes left or down 20 with three minutes left.
Dude, at this point, I would even take Marcus Morris back. Ha
But nah, I'd love to take a roll of the dice on Killian Hayes.
Killian Hayes stinks. Daquan Jefferies is better lol.
No vet would sign up to just sit on the end of the bench. These moves serve two masters. First the CBA requires a minimum number of players signed to a regular contracts. They had to meet the minimum by today. Second they are trying to steer clear of the second apron so these deals cost very little. They don't want to start the clock with the tax
This. Hartenstein is a better player.
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This. Hartenstein is a better player.
Agreed.
I heard a rumor that the Knicks made Robinson available near the end of the trade deadline. I'd look to move him in the offseason as part of a trade for a final player.
Knicks have early-Bird rights on him. Max they can offer is 4 years starting at @ $14M first year. Hopefully he’s not lured elsewhere.
Knicks have IHart's early bird rights and can offer him a raise of 175% $16.178 million. If someone else offers more than there's nothing they can do
Need the salary for a trade
I think Sims is a good backup. Like him.
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Having $30 mil+ in the center position isn't financially smart. Rather have a young player on a rookie deal & keep IHart. Like said above use Mitch in a trade for a bigger piece
I think Sims is a good backup. Like him.
Sims has a low basketball IQ. Very athletic but it's always seems to be a step behind
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Having $30 mil+ in the center position isn't financially smart. Rather have a young player on a rookie deal & keep IHart. Like said above use Mitch in a trade for a bigger piece
I think Sims is a good backup. Like him.
Sims has a low basketball IQ. Very athletic but it's always seems to be a step behind
I think he’s played well for being thrown into big minutes. Off topic but Alec Burks looks like a trainwreck. I’d rather see McBride out there.
As for Burks he will be fine when the team is fully healthy and he is playing 15 minutes a night...
As for Burks he will be fine when the team is fully healthy and he is playing 15 minutes a night...
I disagree on Sims. I hope you’re right about Burks. He’s been terrible on defense and his shot selection is horrible.
Chances are one of them will be traded for Donovan Mitchell at some point anyways.
This. He is lousy. Zero deception in his movements like if he fakes a double team and he bites on ball fakes all the time. He is all muscle and twitch with very low coordination. Its pretty maddening that a guy who is as strong as he is and with such leaping ability that he can't be taught that. Hes the Tim Carter of Centers.
Chances are one of them will be traded for Donovan Mitchell at some point anyways.
When healthy, Mitch is a dominant defender on a team that wins with D and rebounding for both 1st and 2nd units. He’s cheap and we’re pushing for a championship.
We would have to get something special in return to move him because this team can win now.
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That's insane honestly. This Knicks team hasn't approached the luxury tax in years, so it's ridiculous to think you can't spend money on good players.
And Centers being out of fashion because it's all about the big wings is a dated notion. There's more good centers in the NBA than there has been for a long time. If you can sign iHart, do it and then worry about cap management later.
Mitch is averaging 12.7 rebounds / 36 minutes. IHart is averaging 12.2. Not much difference.
Mitch gets more offensive rebounds because he spends the whole possession haunting the paint. Which also clogs it up and makes it more difficult for Brunson and Randle to score.
Truly amazing he still has a job. He’s completely lost and will also blow it not moving Bridges at his peak value.
The entire franchise is a clown show.
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the best is one of the reasons is they are afraid big name players wont go there because of Vaugn hahahaha
Truly amazing he still has a job. He’s completely lost and will also blow it not moving Bridges at his peak value.
The entire franchise is a clown show.
It's truly unbelievable and from what I can tell on twitter, it's not like the fanbase is revolting either. They still believe in Marks for some reason. Even if you forget about the Bridges stuff, they had offers for Royce O'Neal last year for a 1st round pick plus more which they passed on only to trade him for seconds at the deadline. They apparently turned down 2 1sts (might have been more, can't remember) for Cam Johnson which they declined so that they could have the privilege of paying him $95M over 4 years but hey, I for one am shocked that a team with nothing but 3 and D wings is losing basketball games. Must be the coach's fault
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and a very good player. But Hartenstein is just a better overall player. The value on offense is really important. If we have them both, I'd play Hartenstein 28 minutes and Mitch 20. But of course there can some variability based on what is happening in individual games.
Mitch is averaging 12.7 rebounds / 36 minutes. IHart is averaging 12.2. Not much difference.
Mitch gets more offensive rebounds because he spends the whole possession haunting the paint. Which also clogs it up and makes it more difficult for Brunson and Randle to score.
Mitch adds a bit more of a cutting for an oop threat than Hartensyein, but I largely agree.
I still am routinely amazed that guys with Mitch's athleticism cant be taught a LITTLE of a post game. Like 2/3 moves with his back to the basket or a couple of 2 dribble drives he can use to go up strong.
I guess I will just have to accept it. Kinda like free throws.
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the best is one of the reasons is they are afraid big name players wont go there because of Vaugn hahahaha
Truly amazing he still has a job. He’s completely lost and will also blow it not moving Bridges at his peak value.
The entire franchise is a clown show.
This is what bad teams do, they build around role players and refuse to get top dollar for them...
Role players are valuable only when you have that star
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and a very good player. But Hartenstein is just a better overall player. The value on offense is really important. If we have them both, I'd play Hartenstein 28 minutes and Mitch 20. But of course there can some variability based on what is happening in individual games.
Mitch is averaging 12.7 rebounds / 36 minutes. IHart is averaging 12.2. Not much difference.
Mitch gets more offensive rebounds because he spends the whole possession haunting the paint. Which also clogs it up and makes it more difficult for Brunson and Randle to score.
Mitch is a fantastic offensive rebounder. He's also a more imposing rim protector which doesn't show up on their individual stat lines but there's a noticeable difference in the willingness of opposing teams to attack the paint when Mitch is in the game due to his length and athleticism.
“ Doctors have to clear Randle to play before he can compete in a practice, let alone a game. There is growing optimism inside the Knicks that a Randle return will come with time remaining in the regular season. ”
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Randle is pushing to play now but doctors havnt cleared him yet to practice let alone play in a game..
OG around march 1zt reevaluated and ahould be back not long after
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ESPN's Tim Bontemps on today's Lowe Post podcast:
"Mitchell Robinson could be back in early March - or sometime in March - from his ankle surgery."
@TheStrickland
ESPN's Tim Bontemps on today's Lowe Post podcast:
"Mitchell Robinson could be back in early March - or sometime in March - from his ankle surgery."
The regular season ends April 14, I believe. It would be great to have everyone back for the last month of the regular season. Fingers crossed ... we looked so great in January.
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family, friends and his agent/businesz partner all wanted him to sign with the Knicks
nice. me neither.
I could be wrong but I think he's said this before.
Either way, once the Nets became open to letting him and Kyrie play player-GM it wasn't happening.
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family, friends and his agent/businesz partner all wanted him to sign with the Knicks
I could be wrong but I think he's said this before.
Either way, once the Nets became open to letting him and Kyrie play player-GM it wasn't happening.
Yeah there’s been stories out there that Durant actually wanted for him and Kyrie to team up for the Knicks but Kyrie was eventually able to convince him to go to the Nets instead because it was his childhood dream.
Fort Lauderdale was already booked with a girl scouts' parade?
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Fort Lauderdale was already booked with a girl scouts' parade?
Wrong thread.... Ft Lauderdale has is open thread
Maybe because he’s born and raised in NYC and does a lot of charity work in the city
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Maybe because he’s born and raised in NYC and does a lot of charity work in the city
That would be a good reason
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Honestly, idc anymore, but we should start giving Julius Randle and Brunson that treatment. They chose to sign here, and I'm sure a lot of other factors went into those decisions, but they chose NY and then evolved their games to be all-NBA players. No need to do what ifs with Durant.
Honestly, idc anymore, but we should start giving Julius Randle and Brunson that treatment. They chose to sign here, and I'm sure a lot of other factors went into those decisions, but they chose NY and then evolved their games to be all-NBA players. No need to do what ifs with Durant.
It says a lot about him that he didn’t see himself as someone capable of turning things around.
I’ve always appreciated guys like Stoudemire, and Randle who didn’t shy away from that challenge but instead embraced it. And now Brunson has taken the team to another level entirely. He had guts and confidence, Durrant just wanted a joy ride to a ring
The irony is that's what the Nets were lauded for pre big 3 era and what the media cited as a reason why they chose the Nets over the Knicks. Just a few years later and the Nets are the ones doing what that the Knicks were for 20 years.
I also think when he tore his achilles he couldnt recruit anybody to go with him so hr had to folllw
Sounds like they won’t really know until he’s back practicing with the team, full physicality, seeing what it feels like to have his arm hit, battling for rebounds etc
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Popper just tweeted that Randle says surgery for him has not been ruled out, but he is doing everything possible to get back on he court as soon as possible.
Sounds like they won’t really know until he’s back practicing with the team, full physicality, seeing what it feels like to have his arm hit, battling for rebounds etc
They are going to have to harness it...The mental side is going to be the biggest thing, is he going to be hesitant to lower that shoulder
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Popper just tweeted that Randle says surgery for him has not been ruled out, but he is doing everything possible to get back on he court as soon as possible.
Sounds like they won’t really know until he’s back practicing with the team, full physicality, seeing what it feels like to have his arm hit, battling for rebounds etc
They are going to have to harness it...The mental side is going to be the biggest thing, is he going to be hesitant to lower that shoulder
They God it was the non shooting shoulder. It might just be a pain threshold thing for him.
mitch returns next around march 20th
Randle returns end of March early April
Here’s a link with video of Randle’s interview.
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will it be just some random G leaguers or do they go with a couple of vets and if they do what position do they play?
Better not be Taj.
I dont think it is, it woukd of been done already IMO
Something like this is always what I expected. It was never gonna be some guy off the street, with where this team is trying to go.
And seriously, Taj is cooked.
And seriously, Taj is cooked.
I think it shows they trust that OG and Randle will be back sooner than later..
Also with Hartenstein, Bojan and DDV back the team is a much healthier 9 man rotation
Dude, at this point, I would even take Marcus Morris back. Ha
But nah, I'd love to take a roll of the dice on Killian Hayes.
I'm still pissed that I spent $500+ to go see Doncic play against a bunch of scrubs.
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At least these two have been with the Knicks since training camp and know what's up. Whoever was gonna get signed was only gonna play if we were up 20 with 3 minutes left or down 20 with three minutes left.
Dude, at this point, I would even take Marcus Morris back. Ha
But nah, I'd love to take a roll of the dice on Killian Hayes.
Killian Hayes stinks. Daquan Jefferies is better lol.