they both don't look like they are going to help this team. They are supposed to be high IQ guys but I am just not seeing it with them. I hope they aren't in the rotation when we are fully healthy.
they both don't look like they are going to help this team. They are supposed to be high IQ guys but I am just not seeing it with them. I hope they aren't in the rotation when we are fully healthy.
BB will be fine, dude has played in big games in the playoffs, he is a smart player and there will be a game in the playoffs where he gives you 10 to 12 points in a quarter and changes the game...
When everyone is healthy is role will be more definded i think right now he is trying to do to much
That's 9 right there. That is what Thibs likes. Will he go to 10? I can see BB coming in to get some shooting with the 2nd unit but I don't see where Burks fits.
You get a win any way you can get them. Biiiig time layup by Hart. All that is important is the W. When we're hopefully healthy in a few weeks nobody is gonna remember we almost lost this one.
It’s too bad he couldn’t find consistency here. I get that they wanted to push a contract into next year and needed bodies with all the injuries. Burkes will be buried if everyone is healthy.
That's 9 right there. That is what Thibs likes. Will he go to 10? I can see BB coming in to get some shooting with the 2nd unit but I don't see where Burks fits.
Precious and Mcbride are probably not playing in the playoffs if everyone is back
It's not like Grimes didn't have games like this here
Just wasn't consistent enough. Meh. What BB does vs. Detroit in February means nothing to me. I need him to knock down shots in April, May and hopefully June. You did see that with no OG and Randle in there Bogdanovich is a rebounding liability. Duren went right over him for a big put back. As an aside, I get why we traded the pick to free up cap space to get Brunson but man it would have been nice to draft Duren. He's good. Much better than Sims.
That's 9 right there. That is what Thibs likes. Will he go to 10? I can see BB coming in to get some shooting with the 2nd unit but I don't see where Burks fits.
Precious and Mcbride are probably not playing in the playoffs if everyone is back
I think precious could play even if Randle is 100%. McBride, Bogs and Burks are ok for now. Bogs could go bananas if needed but in my view those 3 only play if guys are in foul trouble come playoffs. Maybe bogs. He’s a little weird but can definitely score from outside.
RE: RE: RE: They need to settle in but as of now I am not playing him over
That's 9 right there. That is what Thibs likes. Will he go to 10? I can see BB coming in to get some shooting with the 2nd unit but I don't see where Burks fits.
Precious and Mcbride are probably not playing in the playoffs if everyone is back
I think precious could play even if Randle is 100%. McBride, Bogs and Burks are ok for now. Bogs could go bananas if needed but in my view those 3 only play if guys are in foul trouble come playoffs. Maybe bogs. He’s a little weird but can definitely score from outside.
I think its Mitch, Bogs, Hart of the bench, maybe burks for 10 minutes..
Hasnt Precious earned the backup PF role for 10 or 12
But I wouldn't stick a fork in Burks yet. Yes he has been awful but he's a pro. Maybe it's taking a few weeks for him to get acclimated into a new role. Players go through slumps. They got him for a reason.
I think Hahn actually made a good point, it takes a minute for guys like BB and Burks to play at the Knicks level of intensity after coming from Detroit.
That being said, Burks is reminding me of how much I did not like him in his 1st stint. He never makes a big shot and is a turnover machine.
As for BB, I think playing him at the 4 is tough for him defensively and on the boards.
a "lazy" game on offense, i.e. the shot selection was pretty poor. Burks was exhibit A but Brunson also took a few bad shots which allowed Detroit to hang around. I also think part of our issue was Thibs going with hockey line changes with the second unit. It's not that hard to stagger the bench guys and starters.
If I'm a Piston fan I'm pissed about the non-call, but it did look like their guy lost possession for a split second and, as Breen loves to point out, the officials basically allow anything on loose balls.
the KNicks will have to beat an elite team come the playoffs. Even if Boston were to be upset early, which is unlikely, one of Bucks Boston likely gets in the Knicks way and I can't write off the Bucks, lack of D issues aside. That is still a championship caliber team.
Odds are the Knicks will need to beat the best team they have ever beaten in the postseason since the days of Frazier,Reed and Monroe. I was thinking about this, what is the best team the Knicks have beaten since the 80s or 90s in a playoff series? I came up with Miami in 1998 or 1999, first round. 98 Heat won 55 games. Runner up would be Indiana that same year. Strike shortened season. Those Pacers were 33-17. Miami was also 33-17. ONe could make a case for the 94 Bulls. Without MJ they went 55-27.
In any case, it's likely the Knicks will need to get through a 60 win team if they play Boston. Herculean efforts will be needed.
Right now I'd be happy to dismantle Indy in a 4-5 matchup
and take our best shot at Boston in the Eastern Conference Semis. I don't need this team to advance further than last year to know we're a better team than last year.
a "lazy" game on offense, i.e. the shot selection was pretty poor. Burks was exhibit A but Brunson also took a few bad shots which allowed Detroit to hang around. I also think part of our issue was Thibs going with hockey line changes with the second unit. It's not that hard to stagger the bench guys and starters.
Pick and roll defense was a travesty. Then they struggled on the defensive glass late. Mix in the bad shots (Bogdanovic took a horrendous one in the fourth & was immediately yanked) and it was a clusterfuck.
RE: best team the Knicks should have beaten was the 97 Heat (61 wins)
They had that series won up 3-1 before David Stern stepped in with his bullshit. That was arguably the best Ewing led Knicks team, and they were denined their chance to finally take down Jordan. I will never forgive David Stern for that.
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Jalen Brunson (cervical spasms in neck) and Isaiah Hartenstein (left Achilles tendinopathy) are questionable for tonight’s game vs. NOP, Knicks say
RE: RE: RE: Brunson and Ihart both questionable tonight
All these damn injuries. Knicks need to catch a break.
Wouldnt be shocked if Ihart is just maitenance..
Id be shocked if Brunson doesnt play
Neck spasams are what I assume is a stiff neck. I have had that before and it sucks. If Brunson still has that at game time, no way he is playing, imo.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Brunson and Ihart both questionable tonight
All these damn injuries. Knicks need to catch a break.
Wouldnt be shocked if Ihart is just maitenance..
Id be shocked if Brunson doesnt play
Neck spasams are what I assume is a stiff neck. I have had that before and it sucks. If Brunson still has that at game time, no way he is playing, imo.
Neck spasms suck but i am sure he is getting treatment all day and they will out that tape on his neck..
NBA found 3 incorrect calls in its 2 minute report of NYK-DET:
* W/ 58 seconds left, Duren should’ve been whistled for loose ball foul on Hartenstein
* W/ 25 seconds left, Duren should’ve gotten a 3 second violation.
* W/ 8.2 second left, DiVincenzo fouled Thompson
these reports are hysterical. What does this nonsense even mean: "Thompson (DET) deflects the ball from NYK, which ends their team control. However, he does not yet gain possession before DiVincenzo (NYK) drives into his lower body. A loose ball foul was warranted."
are they bringing up the fact that he did "not yet gain possession" to give themselves an excuse for blowing the call?
Also, in the history of league has a 3 second call ever been made in a clutch situation, lol.
No, this is part of their maitenance plan with him, they are ramping him up to be 100% by playoffs...Back to back rest him and get treatment
Perhaps. He was a late add to the injury report and, if it were the plan all along, resting against the Pistons might seem more logical.
Achilles soreness is tricky to "ramp". Easy to find yourself back at square one.
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Asked about Isaiah Hartenstein (Achilles) missing game vs NOP, Tom Thibodeau said, “Just where we are in the season we thought the smart thing was take tonight off, get rest, do your recovery. That’s where we are with that.” He noted Hartenstein’s been ramping up since AS break
RE: Try not to dwell on the injury stuff but it’s tough.
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Asked about Isaiah Hartenstein (Achilles) missing game vs NOP, Tom Thibodeau said, “Just where we are in the season we thought the smart thing was take tonight off, get rest, do your recovery. That’s where we are with that.” He noted Hartenstein’s been ramping up since AS break
Wouldn't expect him to say anything else. But why list IH as questionable and then hours later as out? And why choose to play against the 8 win team?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Hartenstein had two full weeks of rest from 2/8 to 2/22
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Asked about Isaiah Hartenstein (Achilles) missing game vs NOP, Tom Thibodeau said, “Just where we are in the season we thought the smart thing was take tonight off, get rest, do your recovery. That’s where we are with that.” He noted Hartenstein’s been ramping up since AS break
Wouldn't expect him to say anything else. But why list IH as questionable and then hours later as out? And why choose to play against the 8 win team?
Most teams choose the front end of the back to back and then go from there..
In NBA history. The first half of the season we played about 10 extra road games, then when we finally get all these home games the whole team gets hurt. Anyone criticizing Thibs is off their rocker.
RE: The Knicks are probably one of the most impressive 12 games over .500
In NBA history. The first half of the season we played about 10 extra road games, then when we finally get all these home games the whole team gets hurt. Anyone criticizing Thibs is off their rocker.
Never citicize Thibs for how much he gets out of players and team...
I do think he needs to stop being stubborn on his rotations...
for example i dont want to see him wait the entire 3rd to go back to this lineup with Precious at the 5
and it’s the NBAs fault entirely. They built a game that punishes the player for playing tough defense and allow refs to officiate selectively. It’s garbage.
Thibs said OG isn’t shooting a basketball yet? Should we be concerned or is he just doing nothing until he’s cleared? Be nice to at least see him on the bench now and then.
Thibs said OG isn’t shooting a basketball yet? Should we be concerned or is he just doing nothing until he’s cleared? Be nice to at least see him on the bench now and then.
3 weeks is the 29th, he is not shooting until he is cleared..
He has already been doing cardio and shooting elfty though
Thibs said OG isn’t shooting a basketball yet? Should we be concerned or is he just doing nothing until he’s cleared? Be nice to at least see him on the bench now and then.
Nothing to be worried about, I’d expect him to start shooting by next week
but they are 6-7 since the OG and zrandle injury, it feels like its been 30 games but its only been 13 and close to 500...still in 4th...1.5 up on 5th..it could be a lot worse
McBride eight assists, zero turnovers in 40 minutes. That's something, but not enough ball in basket tonight.
I think Thibs has been good at taking Burks out lretty quickly when he sucks, you can tell when team is healthy Burks wont play much unless he gets hot..
Bojan is starting to at least show what he can bring off the bench
Everyone was just as frustrated with Burks as we are. Zion looked in better shape than I was expecting. At points we just didn't have the offensive firepower. Nothing to be ashamed of.
That's 12. If Thibs goes with a 9-man rotation, as he probably will, Sims is one of the 3 left out, and the other two will be one of the Precious-Bojan and Deuce-Burks pairs, depending on the opponent. That's my guess anyway. Probably Bojan and Deuce; Precious has earned minutes IMO. Not that Burks has, but Thibs 'trusts' him.
Randle is going to return, its just a matter of how much pain he is going to play in. He said Randle went into the meetings basically saying he is going to play again this season and its their job to figure out a plan to make it happen.
But they're protected :'(
Besides last year, when was the last Knick playoff run with a mostly heathy roster? 2012?
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Besides last year, when was the last Knicks playoff run with a mostly heathy roster? 2012?
Fixed.
Nothing that I’ve heard
But they're protected :'(
You don’t want them. This years class looks to be really bad.
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Nothing that I’ve heard
Damn, thanks for the update on Randle
Burks a big factor
truly
Agreed
BB will be fine, dude has played in big games in the playoffs, he is a smart player and there will be a game in the playoffs where he gives you 10 to 12 points in a quarter and changes the game...
When everyone is healthy is role will be more definded i think right now he is trying to do to much
5: IHart, Mitch
4: Randle, Precious
3: OG, Hart
2: DD, Hart
1: Brunson, McBride
That's 9 right there. That is what Thibs likes. Will he go to 10? I can see BB coming in to get some shooting with the 2nd unit but I don't see where Burks fits.
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Stop
RJ helping us out! Hit some big shots down the stretch.
5: IHart, Mitch
4: Randle, Precious
3: OG, Hart
2: DD, Hart
1: Brunson, McBride
That's 9 right there. That is what Thibs likes. Will he go to 10? I can see BB coming in to get some shooting with the 2nd unit but I don't see where Burks fits.
Precious and Mcbride are probably not playing in the playoffs if everyone is back
Bopefully the last 3 games they play without OG
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5: IHart, Mitch
4: Randle, Precious
3: OG, Hart
2: DD, Hart
1: Brunson, McBride
That's 9 right there. That is what Thibs likes. Will he go to 10? I can see BB coming in to get some shooting with the 2nd unit but I don't see where Burks fits.
Precious and Mcbride are probably not playing in the playoffs if everyone is back
I think precious could play even if Randle is 100%. McBride, Bogs and Burks are ok for now. Bogs could go bananas if needed but in my view those 3 only play if guys are in foul trouble come playoffs. Maybe bogs. He’s a little weird but can definitely score from outside.
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Precious.
5: IHart, Mitch
4: Randle, Precious
3: OG, Hart
2: DD, Hart
1: Brunson, McBride
That's 9 right there. That is what Thibs likes. Will he go to 10? I can see BB coming in to get some shooting with the 2nd unit but I don't see where Burks fits.
Precious and Mcbride are probably not playing in the playoffs if everyone is back
I think precious could play even if Randle is 100%. McBride, Bogs and Burks are ok for now. Bogs could go bananas if needed but in my view those 3 only play if guys are in foul trouble come playoffs. Maybe bogs. He’s a little weird but can definitely score from outside.
I think its Mitch, Bogs, Hart of the bench, maybe burks for 10 minutes..
I see Simms is getting some Offensive rebounds. Must be by accident? Didnt commit any fouls tonight
Dont see who backs up Brunson for 12 minutes? Burks is trouble
I see Simms is getting some Offensive rebounds. Must be by accident? Didnt commit any fouls tonight
Dont see who backs up Brunson for 12 minutes? Burks is trouble
Deuce
That being said, Burks is reminding me of how much I did not like him in his 1st stint. He never makes a big shot and is a turnover machine.
As for BB, I think playing him at the 4 is tough for him defensively and on the boards.
If I'm a Piston fan I'm pissed about the non-call, but it did look like their guy lost possession for a split second and, as Breen loves to point out, the officials basically allow anything on loose balls.
Neither is Burks. That's the one hole left on the team (once everyone is healthy) - backup PG.
Pels tonight. Tough having back to backs at the moment.
Odds are the Knicks will need to beat the best team they have ever beaten in the postseason since the days of Frazier,Reed and Monroe. I was thinking about this, what is the best team the Knicks have beaten since the 80s or 90s in a playoff series? I came up with Miami in 1998 or 1999, first round. 98 Heat won 55 games. Runner up would be Indiana that same year. Strike shortened season. Those Pacers were 33-17. Miami was also 33-17. ONe could make a case for the 94 Bulls. Without MJ they went 55-27.
In any case, it's likely the Knicks will need to get through a 60 win team if they play Boston. Herculean efforts will be needed.
Pick and roll defense was a travesty. Then they struggled on the defensive glass late. Mix in the bad shots (Bogdanovic took a horrendous one in the fourth & was immediately yanked) and it was a clusterfuck.
Ihart with the normal Achilles
Ihart with the normal Achilles
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Ihart with the normal Achilles
All these damn injuries. Knicks need to catch a break.
Wouldnt be shocked if Ihart is just maitenance..
Id be shocked if Brunson doesnt play
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Jalen Brunson (cervical spasms in neck) and Isaiah Hartenstein (left Achilles tendinopathy) are questionable for tonight’s game vs. NOP, Knicks say
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Brunson with neck soreness..
Ihart with the normal Achilles
All these damn injuries. Knicks need to catch a break.
Wouldnt be shocked if Ihart is just maitenance..
Id be shocked if Brunson doesnt play
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Brunson with neck soreness..
Ihart with the normal Achilles
All these damn injuries. Knicks need to catch a break.
Wouldnt be shocked if Ihart is just maitenance..
Id be shocked if Brunson doesnt play
Neck spasams are what I assume is a stiff neck. I have had that before and it sucks. If Brunson still has that at game time, no way he is playing, imo.
Neck spasms suck but i am sure he is getting treatment all day and they will out that tape on his neck..
* W/ 58 seconds left, Duren should’ve been whistled for loose ball foul on Hartenstein
* W/ 25 seconds left, Duren should’ve gotten a 3 second violation.
* W/ 8.2 second left, DiVincenzo fouled Thompson
* W/ 58 seconds left, Duren should’ve been whistled for loose ball foul on Hartenstein
* W/ 25 seconds left, Duren should’ve gotten a 3 second violation.
* W/ 8.2 second left, DiVincenzo fouled Thompson
these reports are hysterical. What does this nonsense even mean:
"Thompson (DET) deflects the ball from NYK, which ends their team control. However, he does not yet gain possession before DiVincenzo (NYK) drives into his lower body. A loose ball foul was warranted."
are they bringing up the fact that he did "not yet gain possession" to give themselves an excuse for blowing the call?
Also, in the history of league has a 3 second call ever been made in a clutch situation, lol.
Not good.
Not good.
No, this is part of their maitenance plan with him, they are ramping him up to be 100% by playoffs...Back to back rest him and get treatment
a lot more days for rest and guys coming back, alnost there fellas and the calvary will return
Something to be concerned about?
Something to be concerned about?
I don't know how we can draw any conclusions based on season long stats when there's been like 3-4 distinct iterations of this team this year.
It's similar to the 12/13 season.
Something to be concerned about?
How is that a fair stat? they 5-2 against over 500 teams with OG fully healthy..
Losses with Rj and losses with OG and Randle hurt are irrelevant
No, this is part of their maitenance plan with him, they are ramping him up to be 100% by playoffs...Back to back rest him and get treatment
Perhaps. He was a late add to the injury report and, if it were the plan all along, resting against the Pistons might seem more logical.
Achilles soreness is tricky to "ramp". Easy to find yourself back at square one.
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No, this is part of their maitenance plan with him, they are ramping him up to be 100% by playoffs...Back to back rest him and get treatment
Perhaps. He was a late add to the injury report and, if it were the plan all along, resting against the Pistons might seem more logical.
Achilles soreness is tricky to "ramp". Easy to find yourself back at square one.
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Asked about Isaiah Hartenstein (Achilles) missing game vs NOP, Tom Thibodeau said, “Just where we are in the season we thought the smart thing was take tonight off, get rest, do your recovery. That’s where we are with that.” He noted Hartenstein’s been ramping up since AS break
Just think about that day an hour and a half before the game and Thibs says we are fully healthy and ready to go...almost there
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Asked about Isaiah Hartenstein (Achilles) missing game vs NOP, Tom Thibodeau said, “Just where we are in the season we thought the smart thing was take tonight off, get rest, do your recovery. That’s where we are with that.” He noted Hartenstein’s been ramping up since AS break
Wouldn't expect him to say anything else. But why list IH as questionable and then hours later as out? And why choose to play against the 8 win team?
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Asked about Isaiah Hartenstein (Achilles) missing game vs NOP, Tom Thibodeau said, “Just where we are in the season we thought the smart thing was take tonight off, get rest, do your recovery. That’s where we are with that.” He noted Hartenstein’s been ramping up since AS break
Wouldn't expect him to say anything else. But why list IH as questionable and then hours later as out? And why choose to play against the 8 win team?
Most teams choose the front end of the back to back and then go from there..
Never citicize Thibs for how much he gets out of players and team...
I do think he needs to stop being stubborn on his rotations...
for example i dont want to see him wait the entire 3rd to go back to this lineup with Precious at the 5
No offense but now that he's out of the game Zion is absolutely destroying them. Thibs knows what he is doing. He's coached a few games in the league.
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No offense but now that he's out of the game Zion is absolutely destroying them. Thibs knows what he is doing. He's coached a few games in the league.
Sims sucks lol
and they blew a 10 point lead witg 4 minutes left
Thibs said OG isn’t shooting a basketball yet? Should we be concerned or is he just doing nothing until he’s cleared? Be nice to at least see him on the bench now and then.
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Thibs said OG isn’t shooting a basketball yet? Should we be concerned or is he just doing nothing until he’s cleared? Be nice to at least see him on the bench now and then.
3 weeks is the 29th, he is not shooting until he is cleared..
He has already been doing cardio and shooting elfty though
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Thibs said OG isn’t shooting a basketball yet? Should we be concerned or is he just doing nothing until he’s cleared? Be nice to at least see him on the bench now and then.
Nothing to be worried about, I’d expect him to start shooting by next week
McBride eight assists, zero turnovers in 40 minutes. That's something, but not enough ball in basket tonight.
McBride eight assists, zero turnovers in 40 minutes. That's something, but not enough ball in basket tonight.
I think Thibs has been good at taking Burks out lretty quickly when he sucks, you can tell when team is healthy Burks wont play much unless he gets hot..
Bojan is starting to at least show what he can bring off the bench
but the unit starting the second Mcbride, Hart, Bojan, OG, Mitch...Flat out ahould dominate other benches
but the unit starting the second Mcbride, Hart, Bojan, OG, Mitch...Flat out ahould dominate other benches
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this team healthy Brunson, DDV , OG, Randle Ihart...
but the unit starting the second Mcbride, Hart, Bojan, OG, Mitch...Flat out ahould dominate other benches
Precious only gets in for defense and is situational?
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This always had to be the outcome.
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this team healthy Brunson, DDV , OG, Randle Ihart...
but the unit starting the second Mcbride, Hart, Bojan, OG, Mitch...Flat out ahould dominate other benches
Precious only gets in for defense and is situational?
Whose precious playing over and you arent running a 10 man rotation...
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this team healthy Brunson, DDV , OG, Randle Ihart...
but the unit starting the second Mcbride, Hart, Bojan, OG, Mitch...Flat out ahould dominate other benches
Precious only gets in for defense and is situational?
Whose precious playing over and you arent running a 10 man rotation...
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this team healthy Brunson, DDV , OG, Randle Ihart...
but the unit starting the second Mcbride, Hart, Bojan, OG, Mitch...Flat out ahould dominate other benches
Precious only gets in for defense and is situational?
Whose precious playing over and you arent running a 10 man rotation...
I know Thibs will not do it but I would rather have Precious playing backup 4 instead of Hart.
Hart wouldnt play backup 4, OG would
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this team healthy Brunson, DDV , OG, Randle Ihart...
but the unit starting the second Mcbride, Hart, Bojan, OG, Mitch...Flat out ahould dominate other benches
Precious only gets in for defense and is situational?
Whose precious playing over and you arent running a 10 man rotation...
I know Thibs will not do it but I would rather have Precious playing backup 4 instead of Hart.
Hart wouldnt play backup 4, OG would
but the unit starting the second Mcbride, Hart, Bojan, OG, Mitch...Flat out ahould dominate other benches
IHart-Mitch-Sims
Randle-Precious-Hart
OG-Bojan-Hart
DDV-Hart-Burks
Brunson-Deuce-Burks
That's 12. If Thibs goes with a 9-man rotation, as he probably will, Sims is one of the 3 left out, and the other two will be one of the Precious-Bojan and Deuce-Burks pairs, depending on the opponent. That's my guess anyway. Probably Bojan and Deuce; Precious has earned minutes IMO. Not that Burks has, but Thibs 'trusts' him.
Jalen Brunson good to go tonight