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NFT: Mets vs. Brewers: Game 2 – ⚾Severino vs Hall ⚾ – 1:40 pm EDT

Optimus-NY : 3/30/2024 12:36 pm

Starting Lineups for both clubs today.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchup for today's game in Flushing against the Brew Crew again.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-Today's game is on SNY again and so is tomorrow's.
-The wind will once again play a factor at Citi Field. Click HERE to see the Hourly AccuWeather Report for Citi Field today.
-The games will start at the same time as today's. Monday will be the first night game at home against the Tigers.

-The Mets places RHP Sean Reid-Foley on the 15-day injured list retroactive to March 25, 2024 (Right shoulder Impingement).
-The Mets also placed placed RHPs Kodai Senga & Max Kranick each on the 15-day injured list each retroactive to March 25, 2024.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' total list of roster transactions.

-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man roster.
-Keep an eye out on this Hoskins situation today (it might be the most fun part of the game, lol).
-The Mets' 4-man bench today will consist of Narváez (L), Wendle (L), Baty (L), & Stewart (L).
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Hoeskin's batting 6th and is DHing. Can't get him in the field, so that only leaves one other way...
Question folks:  
Optimus-NY : 3/30/2024 12:52 pm : link
Would you folks like a thread for each game or each series? Just curious what people would prefer. I was thinking about things people might like or not like that we can do differently this season compared to last. Just curious.
RE: Question folks:  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/30/2024 1:06 pm : link
In comment 16451144 Optimus-NY said:
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Would you folks like a thread for each game or each series? Just curious what people would prefer. I was thinking about things people might like or not like that we can do differently this season compared to last. Just curious.


Individual game threads for me. Thank you for what you do!
Mets  
Hilary : 3/30/2024 1:11 pm : link
Mets are a hard team to watch. They don’t score. Down 2 runs they are done.
Why is Zach Short playing? Hits 210 with no power.
How do you have someone like that at 3rd base.
RE: RE: Question folks:  
Optimus-NY : 3/30/2024 1:19 pm : link
In comment 16451159 Rob in Rockaway said:
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In comment 16451144 Optimus-NY said:


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Would you folks like a thread for each game or each series? Just curious what people would prefer. I was thinking about things people might like or not like that we can do differently this season compared to last. Just curious.



Individual game threads for me. Thank you for what you do!


Cool Rob. IF you've got any suggestions, please bring em aboard. I wanna simplify the threads a bit this season myself personally (unless it's for special occasions).
Here are links to today's game:  
Optimus-NY : 3/30/2024 1:35 pm : link
*Courtesy of sportsurge.net*

Mets vs. Brewers | 1:40 pm EDT start - March 30, 2024 - TV Broadcast: Mets' feed - SNY: Gary, Keith, & Ron (sportsgames.today)

** Sorry, I can't find a link for the Brewers' feed. **

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets vs. Brewers - March 30, 2024 - 1:40 pm EDT start


Enjoy today's game 😊
New thread  
Hilary : 3/30/2024 1:37 pm : link
Prefer new thread to same thread for a week
wtf is this lineup - taylor cleanup, short at 3b game 2 of the season?  
Eric on Li : 3/30/2024 1:53 pm : link
jdm cannot get ready fast enough.
another good ab by marte to work a full count walk  
Eric on Li : 3/30/2024 2:00 pm : link
mcneil bases loaded 2 out.
Alvy killt that hanger  
Optimus-NY : 3/30/2024 2:14 pm : link
Killt it dead. Why not hit him 4th instead of Short? I dongeddit.
RE: Alvy killt that hanger  
Optimus-NY : 3/30/2024 2:16 pm : link
In comment 16451225 Optimus-NY said:
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Killt it dead. Why not hit him 4th instead of Short? I dongeddit.


I meant Taylor (Short/Taylor...same, same, lol). McCleanup was yesterday's special.
RE: Alvy killt that hanger  
Eric on Li : 3/30/2024 2:17 pm : link
In comment 16451225 Optimus-NY said:
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Killt it dead. Why not hit him 4th instead of Short? I dongeddit.


vs lefty marte off yesterdays game should have been 4, mcneil 5, alvarez 6. that is like no brainer stuff i think.

i get not loving short/taylor/bader 7, 8, 9 but it is what it is if you want to start all 3 game 2.
Whatever ailment was responsible for Severino's downfall  
GeofromNJ : 3/30/2024 2:30 pm : link
he still has it.
It's gonna be a looooong few months for us Mets fans.  
81_Great_Dane : 3/30/2024 2:32 pm : link
Maybe mid-season we start to see Drew Gilbert and some of the young arms, and then things improve. Maybe.

They got starting pitchers who don't pitch very well and hitters who don't hit very well. Bullpen is ok. That'll be nice when they get a lead.
What is everyone thinking about Hoskins?  
Drewcon40 : 3/30/2024 2:32 pm : link
Should the Mets have sent a message? Pretty early in the season but going 2-2 with a HR and 4(?) RBI in 2 at bats is a bit humiliating to Mets. Personally I’m frustrated but not sure if I’m thinking of this the right way. Anyone else think the Mets should have threw at him or handle the situation differently?
RE: What is everyone thinking about Hoskins?  
BocaGene : 3/30/2024 2:34 pm : link
In comment 16451243 Drewcon40 said:
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Should the Mets have sent a message? Pretty early in the season but going 2-2 with a HR and 4(?) RBI in 2 at bats is a bit humiliating to Mets. Personally I’m frustrated but not sure if I’m thinking of this the right way. Anyone else think the Mets should have threw at him or handle the situation differently?


I would have made him move his feet at least 2 times, maybe 3.
Small sample, but  
BocaGene : 3/30/2024 2:35 pm : link
Marte looks pretty good!
The Mets simply don't do anything when confronted  
moespree : 3/30/2024 2:36 pm : link
It's been going on years and it simply is what it is. Doesn't seem to matter who the manager is or even if new players are brought in. They simply don't respond to these kinds of things for whatever reason.
RE: What is everyone thinking about Hoskins?  
Eric on Li : 3/30/2024 2:38 pm : link
In comment 16451243 Drewcon40 said:
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Should the Mets have sent a message? Pretty early in the season but going 2-2 with a HR and 4(?) RBI in 2 at bats is a bit humiliating to Mets. Personally I’m frustrated but not sure if I’m thinking of this the right way. Anyone else think the Mets should have threw at him or handle the situation differently?


given the situation should have thrown at him. 1b was open. dont need to hit him but cant groove one down the middle.

that's not why they are down 5-1 though so at this point they need to just be focused on hitting baseballs hard. hall's pitch count is up and they have actually made some good contact today and gotten unlucky (.332 xba). just get some runs over and make this a game, dont get boatraced.
Nice job shutting up Rhys  
CooperDash : 3/30/2024 2:39 pm : link
JFC
it's not just organizationally  
pjcas18 : 3/30/2024 2:40 pm : link
it's individually. The closest the Mets had to a guy with the balls to retaliate was old Pedro.

even just a pitch inside to send a message. Make the guy uncomfortable to at least think twice. But no, Hoskins looks very comfortable.

Syndergaard had to be practically ordered to to do it to Utley and still wouldn't. though to be a little fair that was probably when Noah was still throwing 100.
Clemens almost  
Ron Johnson : 3/30/2024 2:51 pm : link
Killed Piazza, they did nothing. The team’s had an inexplicable gutlessness about it for quite some time.
RE: Question folks:  
dannysection 313 : 3/30/2024 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16451144 Optimus-NY said:
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Would you folks like a thread for each game or each series? Just curious what people would prefer. I was thinking about things people might like or not like that we can do differently this season compared to last. Just curious.


You are doing yeoman's work my friend and a new thread each game seems like it's asking a lot; especially if the Mets get off to a bad start; and they're off to a good start at getting off to a bad start...

Never put any credence into what you see in March and in September? Severino seems to be a great example thus far...9 hits in three innings does not equate to a happy WHIP.

I'm happy with whatever you can manage and if it's a new thread each series, perhaps others can start the game 2 or game 3 treads.

And yea, Hoskins is thumbing his nose at the seemingly lifeless Mets.

But, it's a long season.
RE: RE: Alvy killt that hanger  
Optimus-NY : 3/30/2024 3:06 pm : link
In comment 16451227 Eric on Li said:
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Killt it dead. Why not hit him 4th instead of Short? I dongeddit.



vs lefty marte off yesterdays game should have been 4, mcneil 5, alvarez 6. that is like no brainer stuff i think.

i get not loving short/taylor/bader 7, 8, 9 but it is what it is if you want to start all 3 game 2.


+1
RE: Small sample, but  
Optimus-NY : 3/30/2024 3:08 pm : link
In comment 16451248 BocaGene said:
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Marte looks pretty good!


He does. What's up Mean Gene? lol. Sorry, had to say it as an 80s kid, haha.
vientos goes oppo taco in AAA  
Eric on Li : 3/30/2024 3:13 pm : link
looked like a cheapy off the foul poll but i guess they all count.
https://x.com/SyracuseMets/status/1774152032217182391?s=20 - ( New Window )
Here's the Mets' schedule through April 7th:  
Optimus-NY : 3/30/2024 3:23 pm : link
Ron Darling with a great line  
Drewcon40 : 3/30/2024 3:30 pm : link
"The message was 2 hours late". (re: Ramirez throwing at Hoskins)
I don't care when it happened  
moze1021 : 3/30/2024 3:31 pm : link
I despise Hoskins and all Philly trash

Good work.
RE: Ron Darling with a great line  
Optimus-NY : 3/30/2024 3:33 pm : link
In comment 16451312 Drewcon40 said:
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"The message was 2 hours late". (re: Ramirez throwing at Hoskins)


+1
RE: I don't care when it happened  
Optimus-NY : 3/30/2024 3:33 pm : link
In comment 16451313 moze1021 said:
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I despise Hoskins and all Philly trash

Good work.


+ infinity
buck left a lot to be desired but he generally had the team ready  
Eric on Li : 3/30/2024 3:35 pm : link
not judging mendoza 2 games in but his team and his decision making looks like they are still in port st lucie. murphy is also a new manager. not a great look to have the team looking so stupid so quickly.
Did R.A. Dickey  
Pete in MD : 3/30/2024 3:37 pm : link
ever plunk anyone? Would have been funny.
RE: RE: I don't care when it happened  
Pete in MD : 3/30/2024 3:38 pm : link
In comment 16451317 Optimus-NY said:
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I despise Hoskins and all Philly trash

Good work.



+ infinity

How do they always manage to find obnoxious players?
As far as the Mets and how they look so far a game and a half in...  
Drewcon40 : 3/30/2024 3:40 pm : link
I am turning 50 this year (stop bragging, I know). I have seen poor starts turn around (off the top of my head, the 05 Mets started 0-5, and wound up having a modest turn around on the contrary the 2018 10-1 start.

Obviously no panic yet. I was at opening day with my son and there were some hard hit balls that would have been hits.

Now that Hoskins was thrown at, perhaps they can salvage their errrr "guts" and tomorrow could be spirited.

@Ron Johnson mentioned Piazza/Clemens. I believe Hampton had mentioned he had a problem with the lack of reaction.

Optimus - I just want to send you a message of gratitude. The game day threads are amazing. The Mets fans on this Giants site are all great and I appreciate all your thoughts.
RE: RE: Ron Darling with a great line  
Pete in MD : 3/30/2024 3:41 pm : link
In comment 16451315 Optimus-NY said:
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"The message was 2 hours late". (re: Ramirez throwing at Hoskins)



+1

It was pretty badass IMO. Ramirez missed him on-purpose but then stared him down. It was really far away for trying to hit someone. Was like Ricky Vaughn. Juuust a bit outside.
Kind of ridiculous  
moze1021 : 3/30/2024 3:49 pm : link
That Vientos isn't on this team right now.

That Short error (ruled a hit for some reason) ruined the game.
RE: RE: RE: Ron Darling with a great line  
Optimus-NY : 3/30/2024 3:54 pm : link
In comment 16451333 Pete in MD said:
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In comment 16451312 Drewcon40 said:


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"The message was 2 hours late". (re: Ramirez throwing at Hoskins)



+1


It was pretty badass IMO. Ramirez missed him on-purpose but then stared him down. It was really far away for trying to hit someone. Was like Ricky Vaughn. Juuust a bit outside.


RE: Kind of ridiculous  
Eric on Li : 3/30/2024 4:08 pm : link
In comment 16451339 moze1021 said:
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That Vientos isn't on this team right now.

That Short error (ruled a hit for some reason) ruined the game.


vientos just added a 106.5mph double.

i get not liking his D at 3b, i get whatever issues they may have with work habits, etc.

i do not get a roster with both short and wendle.

i do not get tyrone taylor hitting cleanup game 2.

i do not get handing dj stewart a roster spot when he has an option.

if you are going to bench baty against a lefty the 2nd game of the year, there is probably a big league role for vientos at least in the period where JDM isn't ready yet. i think we can all handle watching baty/alvarez/vientos make mistakes. watching dj stewart and zach short make mistakes in the first 2 games of the year is a whole different thing.
brett baty first pitch swinging homer off lefty  
Eric on Li : 3/30/2024 4:12 pm : link
hope you enjoyed your start zack, it should be a while until the next one.
108.2 mph and 424 feet - out in all 30 parks  
Eric on Li : 3/30/2024 4:13 pm : link
let the baby mets play.
RE: RE: Kind of ridiculous  
Optimus-NY : 3/30/2024 4:14 pm : link
In comment 16451351 Eric on Li said:
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That Vientos isn't on this team right now.

That Short error (ruled a hit for some reason) ruined the game.



vientos just added a 106.5mph double.

i get not liking his D at 3b, i get whatever issues they may have with work habits, etc.

i do not get a roster with both short and wendle.

i do not get tyrone taylor hitting cleanup game 2.

i do not get handing dj stewart a roster spot when he has an option.

if you are going to bench baty against a lefty the 2nd game of the year, there is probably a big league role for vientos at least in the period where JDM isn't ready yet. i think we can all handle watching baty/alvarez/vientos make mistakes. watching dj stewart and zach short make mistakes in the first 2 games of the year is a whole different thing.


Exactly. Well put E.
If I see Short or Wendle at 3B again  
ZGiants98 : 3/30/2024 4:16 pm : link
over Baty, Im going to riot.
RE: If I see Short or Wendle at 3B again  
Eric on Li : 3/30/2024 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16451360 ZGiants98 said:
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over Baty, Im going to riot.


amen. sign good players or play the kids - whatever mistakes may come with it.

dont play journeyman unless they give you a really good reason.
Would be nice  
pjcas18 : 3/30/2024 4:28 pm : link
to have JDM in this lineup.

How far away is he from joining the team?
Close, but no cigar...again  
Optimus-NY : 3/30/2024 4:34 pm : link
RE: Would be nice  
ZGiants98 : 3/30/2024 4:36 pm : link
In comment 16451366 pjcas18 said:
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to have JDM in this lineup.

How far away is he from joining the team?


He supposedly needed all these in game ABs, yet he stayed in St. Lucie to play for a team with no games yet. Makes sense.
RE: Would be nice  
Eric on Li : 3/30/2024 4:37 pm : link
In comment 16451366 pjcas18 said:
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to have JDM in this lineup.

How far away is he from joining the team?


think mendoza said he is going to stay in PSL for another week then they will evaluate where he goes from there (minor league assignment or big leagues).
Game 2 of a long season  
Drewcon40 : 3/30/2024 4:38 pm : link
I know moral victories are not everyone’s favorite aspect but I do like the comeback today and as i mentioned Darling’s quote. It was too late on Hoskins , let’s see what tomorrow brings.
RE: RE: Would be nice  
Eric on Li : 3/30/2024 4:40 pm : link
In comment 16451378 ZGiants98 said:
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to have JDM in this lineup.

How far away is he from joining the team?



He supposedly needed all these in game ABs, yet he stayed in St. Lucie to play for a team with no games yet. Makes sense.


i assume it was more they wanted to let him get team workouts in like most players do at the beginning of ST before throwing him into games. he's an older guy with back problems so i get not wanting to throw him in too quick. they only finalized the contract 6 days ago.
The thing that bothers me about JDM is  
ZGiants98 : 3/30/2024 4:45 pm : link
it just feels like he's getting veteran treatment. They are going super slow with him because he's JD Martinez. If it was anyone else, they probably step on the ignition more. It pissed me off when I saw him in the dugout in St. Lucie all last weekend and the supposed issue is with him is that he needed in game ABs to get ready? Why couldnt he take some?

And he could have gotten ABs in Syracuse already but my guess is they dont want him playing in the cold.

It's just feels lacksadasical.

I really hope it is back treatment or something like that but that hasnt been confirmed anywhere.
RE: 108.2 mph and 424 feet - out in all 30 parks  
BocaGene : 3/30/2024 4:48 pm : link
In comment 16451356 Eric on Li said:
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let the baby mets play.


+10000000000
Nice job by Mendoza straight up  
ZGiants98 : 3/30/2024 4:48 pm : link
lying. lol
RE: The thing that bothers me about JDM is  
Eric on Li : 3/30/2024 4:56 pm : link
In comment 16451388 ZGiants98 said:
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it just feels like he's getting veteran treatment. They are going super slow with him because he's JD Martinez. If it was anyone else, they probably step on the ignition more. It pissed me off when I saw him in the dugout in St. Lucie all last weekend and the supposed issue is with him is that he needed in game ABs to get ready? Why couldnt he take some?

And he could have gotten ABs in Syracuse already but my guess is they dont want him playing in the cold.

It's just feels lacksadasical.

I really hope it is back treatment or something like that but that hasnt been confirmed anywhere.


i would imagine its a series of ramp stuff that all players typically go through their first week in camp because playing against other people is always going to be different from hitting in cages.

they probably have JDM on all their trackman stuff and want to make sure his swing speed is there in simulated situations before putting him out there against live pitching. probably want to make sure they have some days built in if he gets more sore than usual as he's ramping. last thing you want is a pulled oblique or hammy or whatever because he pushes too hard in a game situation.
RE: Nice job by Mendoza straight up  
Optimus-NY : 3/30/2024 4:58 pm : link
In comment 16451393 ZGiants98 said:
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lying. lol


Haha. Avoidin' dat fine baby!
RE: Nice job by Mendoza straight up  
Eric on Li : 3/30/2024 4:58 pm : link
In comment 16451393 ZGiants98 said:
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lying. lol


i kind of buy it - it was a moronic time to do it if it was planned. the way ramirez ran to cover home plate my first thought was that the ball just got away from him. he was practically running to home plate before the ball even got to hoskins.
We'll go as far this season as our starting pitching will take us.  
Ira : 3/30/2024 5:02 pm : link
That may not be very far.
RE: 108.2 mph and 424 feet - out in all 30 parks  
Section331 : 3/30/2024 5:13 pm : link
In comment 16451356 Eric on Li said:
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let the baby mets play.


It’s ridiculous not to give Baty AB’s against LHP, especially early. Short has no business being on a major league roster.
Yankee fan here  
M.S. : 3/30/2024 6:49 pm : link

I cannot believe what has happened to Severino!?!

And I still don’t know exactly what led to his fall from an electric fast-baller to where he is right now?

Injuries? Tipping-off pitches? Degraded mechanics that have flattened out his fast ball? I have no idea.

I really wish this guy well and hope he turns his career back around with the Mets!
RE: Yankee fan here  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/31/2024 12:26 am : link
In comment 16451479 M.S. said:
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I cannot believe what has happened to Severino!?!

And I still don’t know exactly what led to his fall from an electric fast-baller to where he is right now?

Injuries? Tipping-off pitches? Degraded mechanics that have flattened out his fast ball? I have no idea.

I really wish this guy well and hope he turns his career back around with the Mets!


I mean, I can't believe the Mets gave him $13 million. $13 MILLION.
You can’t believe they allocated 2.5% of the payroll  
Metnut : 3/31/2024 8:38 am : link
to give him a one year deal to see if he can rebound?
RE: RE: Kind of ridiculous  
Rory : 3/31/2024 9:48 am : link
In comment 16451351 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16451339 moze1021 said:


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That Vientos isn't on this team right now.

That Short error (ruled a hit for some reason) ruined the game.



vientos just added a 106.5mph double.

i get not liking his D at 3b, i get whatever issues they may have with work habits, etc.

i do not get a roster with both short and wendle.

i do not get tyrone taylor hitting cleanup game 2.

i do not get handing dj stewart a roster spot when he has an option.

if you are going to bench baty against a lefty the 2nd game of the year, there is probably a big league role for vientos at least in the period where JDM isn't ready yet. i think we can all handle watching baty/alvarez/vientos make mistakes. watching dj stewart and zach short make mistakes in the first 2 games of the year is a whole different thing.


only reasoning I can come up with and I know others wont like it is the manager wanted to give everyone a feel of a opening day (series) start. Mil having a LH on the mound fit that opportunity.

I doubt we see this kind of lineup again the rest of the season. As for Taylor at cleanup, no clue.
RE: You can’t believe they allocated 2.5% of the payroll  
Rory : 3/31/2024 9:54 am : link
In comment 16451791 Metnut said:
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to give him a one year deal to see if he can rebound?


Watched a few games, saw alot of good things from LS in spring training. Willing to give him 4-5 starts before making a final evaluation.

bummer though yesterday.

Ok Tylore, time to pick up the team.

Happy Easter Gents
RE: RE: RE: Kind of ridiculous  
CooperDash : 3/31/2024 10:49 am : link
In comment 16451823 Rory said:
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only reasoning I can come up with and I know others wont like it is the manager wanted to give everyone a feel of a opening day (series) start. Mil having a LH on the mound fit that opportunity.

I doubt we see this kind of lineup again the rest of the season. As for Taylor at cleanup, no clue.


I really hope That the reason isn’t because manager wanted to give everyone a feel for an opening day start. If that’s true, then we have bigger problems with Mendoza.

The Mets unwillingness to play the kids year after year is exactly why they will never be the Braves. I have zero clue what they are doing with Vientos and at this point, just trade the damn kid already. In a season where the Mets clearly were not going to compete, I don’t understand the last-minute signing of JD Martinez, which will only serve to block Vientos….again. This is such a hard team to root for.

And that pathetic attempt to hit Hoskins at that point of the game was truly pathetic.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Kind of ridiculous  
Optimus-NY : 3/31/2024 11:35 am : link
In comment 16451889 CooperDash said:
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only reasoning I can come up with and I know others wont like it is the manager wanted to give everyone a feel of a opening day (series) start. Mil having a LH on the mound fit that opportunity.

I doubt we see this kind of lineup again the rest of the season. As for Taylor at cleanup, no clue.



I really hope That the reason isn’t because manager wanted to give everyone a feel for an opening day start. If that’s true, then we have bigger problems with Mendoza.

The Mets unwillingness to play the kids year after year is exactly why they will never be the Braves. I have zero clue what they are doing with Vientos and at this point, just trade the damn kid already. In a season where the Mets clearly were not going to compete, I don’t understand the last-minute signing of JD Martinez, which will only serve to block Vientos….again. This is such a hard team to root for.

And that pathetic attempt to hit Hoskins at that point of the game was truly pathetic.


You ain't wrong man. Frustrating.
Suspensions??  
moze1021 : 3/31/2024 1:03 pm : link
What the hell has happened to this game


Ridiculous
Severino had great control  
xman : 3/31/2024 10:48 pm : link
75% of his pitches were strikes. I know he can still bring it but is his flat?
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